The Palestine thread

[moysider]

Do you think Hamas would attempt to obliterate Jews if they had the military upper hand? Just asking, not judging.

I think they would. As would all of their neighbours. Israel only survives because they are militarily superior. The fuss about the Iranian nuclear programme is all about the threat to Israel.

And why do you think Hamas would do that considering they are an Islamic based organisation. You seem to be mixing them up with the Yanks and the Nazi's?

Sorry, not sure what you mean there give her dixie.

I mean that by their fait, they wouldn't be into going after millions of jews to kill them. I used the yanks and the Nazis as an example of 2 groups who have no problem with mass slaughter.

I have yet to meet a Palestinian in Gaza or beyond, or read any comment that would call for such a thing. They are dignified people who despite their hardships, just want to get on with life.

Ok.  My point is that I don t think Israel was a good idea and can only exist by dent of military superiority. They are not going to go away and neither will the violence. US backing will always mean they will have the capability to defend themselves. So what s the solution? Israel are battle hardened - killing kids is not going to put them out. They took out an Arab Alliance in Yon Kippur. They could have been destroyed. Killing innocent Paleastinians is no big deal for them. And it doesn t seem to bother their US backers either. What can be done?

[Mike Sheehy]

Do you think Hamas would attempt to obliterate Jews if they had the military upper hand? Just asking, not judging.

I think they would. As would all of their neighbours. Israel only survives because they are militarily superior. The fuss about the Iranian nuclear programme is all about the threat to Israel.

And why do you think Hamas would do that considering they are an Islamic based organisation. You seem to be mixing them up with the Yanks and the Nazi's?

Sorry, not sure what you mean there give her dixie.

I mean that by their fait, they wouldn't be into going after millions of jews to kill them. I used the yanks and the Nazis as an example of 2 groups who have no problem with mass slaughter.

I have yet to meet a Palestinian in Gaza or beyond, or read any comment that would call for such a thing. They are dignified people who despite their hardships, just want to get on with life.

Ok.  My point is that I don t think Israel was a good idea and can only exist by dent of military superiority. They are not going to go away and neither will the violence. US backing will always mean they will have the capability to defend themselves. So what s the solution? Israel are battle hardened - killing kids is not going to put them out. They took out an Arab Alliance in Yon Kippur. They could have been destroyed.
Killing innocent Paleastinians is no big deal for them. And it doesn t seem to bother their US backers either. What can be done?

Moysider, read his words.

He said that Hamas

"wouldn't be into going after millions of jews to kill them"

and

"why do you think Hamas would do that considering they are an Islamic based organisation"

The killing of Jews is written into the Hamas Charter. It is actual jihadi law as far as they are concerned. GHD knows this, so why
would he be asking you why Hamas "would do that" ?

He is a liar and he is banking on the fact that you don't know what he, and Hamas are actually about.

Don't be fooled.

Hate Israeli action but don't let GHD and Seafoid poison you against jewish people. That is their goal.It is not right.

[Mike Sheehy]

Has Israel got any supporters in here apart from Sheehy?

What do you consider Israel "support" as opposed to simply taking a stand against the classical anti-Semitic stance ?

If someone states that Israel is guilty of war crimes, that they should obey UN directives, that points out the Religious extremism of the settlers, that states continuously that they should withdraw to the 1967 borders, that supports military strikes (by a neutral force) against
Israel, that has called numerous times for a buffer force that will hit the Israelies as a hard as they hit the Palestinians....

If the only concession that is requested is the security of the jewish people so that they do not face a second attempt at extermination then you tell me, JimStynes, you p***k, what you mean by an Israel "supporter".

I look forward to your response...if you have the guts.

[Mike Sheehy]

Has Israel got any supporters in here apart from Sheehy?

Sheehy is a troll. He isn't really interested in Israel.

You said in a radio interview that Hamas violence was justified. You lie constantly to people on this board about your true intent.
You constantly call for the destruction of Israel and the elimination of the Jewish race on other websites and then come on here
and present yourself as a "voice of reason"

It may not be "popular" but I will continue to challenge you scumbags at every turn.

btw , Here is your quote from mondowiess

seafoid February 11, 2011 at 12:44 pm with 1 replies   

The last time I was on the [BBC's] Moral Maze I was hauled over the coals for saying that political violence – as part of a radical protest, say – is sometimes justifiable.
link to blogs.telegraph.co.uk

So perhaps you'd like to clarify what you meant by "political violence - as part of a radical protest, say, is sometimes justifiable"
Earlier in this thread you said that "Hamas are entitled to try and change things"

The only conclusion to these two statements is that you support Hamas bombing of Israel and that you are indifferent to the Palestnian deaths in response to this bombing.

[seafoid]

Has Israel got any supporters in here apart from Sheehy?

Sheehy is a troll. He isn't really interested in Israel.

You said in a radio interview that Hamas violence was justified. You lie constantly to people on this board about your true intent.
You constantly call for the destruction of Israel and the elimination of the Jewish race on other websites and then come on here
and present yourself as a "voice of reason"

It may not be "popular" but I will continue to challenge you scumbags at every turn.

btw , Here is your quote from mondowiess

seafoid February 11, 2011 at 12:44 pm with 1 replies   

The last time I was on the [BBC's] Moral Maze I was hauled over the coals for saying that political violence – as part of a radical protest, say – is sometimes justifiable.
link to blogs.telegraph.co.uk

So perhaps you'd like to clarify what you meant by "political violence - as part of a radical protest, say, is sometimes justifiable"
Earlier in this thread you said that "Hamas are entitled to try and change things"

The only conclusion to these two statements is that you support Hamas bombing of Israel and that you are indifferent to the Palestnian deaths in response to this bombing.

I was never on BBC . You are getting your rants mixed up.And I never called for the elimination of the jewish race. That is a despicable slur. My beef is with Zionism. 

I think Israel is fucked. No need for us to do anything. They'll keep on murdering children and the world will boycott them. And Sheldon Adelson's money buys the silence of the US. It is the real life version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A total clusterfuck.

Judaism will survive without Zionism. It always did before. Jews are way better than Zionism. 

[seafoid]

And you are a troll, sheehy. Defending the carnage in Gaza is very low, even for you.

[give her dixie]

France has baaned protests for Gaza. The 1st country in the world to do so

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/07/19/Outrage-as-France-bans-pro-Palestine-demonstrations.html

[give her dixie]

 Ministry Of Healthnow sets the death toll at 327 killed, and 2380 injured

[seafoid]

Senior Israeli minister Naftali Bennett said the people of Gaza were self genociding. Spoken like a true Nazi. Waiting for Sheehy to defend it.

[general_lee]

Sheehy trying to defend in indefendable. What a lowlife. Wrongs on both sides but what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is sickening. The stats don't lie Sheehy you reptile.

[Myles Na G.]

the personal abuse on this board, and on this thread in particular, is pretty shocking. Are the moderators comfortable with this? I would post on several message boards and this is the only one where people are allowed to verbally abuse other posts without incurring any sanction as far as I can see.

[give her dixie]

[give her dixie]

What if British had treated Northern Irish like Israel treats Palestine?

By Mira Bar Hillel – 18 July 2014

"People of Belfast! We, the British, have had enough of the deadly antics of the IRA who live among you and attack us using you as human shields.

"We hereby warn you to vacate your homes and leave your city, as we intend, without further notice, to bomb you back to the stone age, as our media is demanding. To that end we will also cut off your electricity so that your dialysis patients will discover whose blood is redder, on the advice of the Deputy Speaker of Parliament.

"Although there is no place for you to go, we will, of course, blame you for this, as you and your toddlers and hospital patients are very scary and lack all concern for civilians."

The Gaza strip, which actually received such a notice on Sunday and again on Tuesday, is a fraction the size of Northern Ireland but with a similar population. Its narrow, shambolic streets crammed full with desperate people trying to make ends meet.

Over the past decade we have had "Operation Cast Lead" (2008/9) in which illegal white phosphorus was employed, 1,400 Gazan civilians were killed including one family whose children bled to death on the roof because Israeli aircraft prevented their evacuation. The Israelis lost 11 soldiers. In "Operation Pillar of Smoke", (2012) hundreds more died, all Palestinian.

As far as Israel is concerned, the only change since then (apart from people like the woman who today tweeted that killing Arabs "gives me orgasms") has been that between each attack Hamas's rockets have increased their range.

They are still little more than toys compared with Israel's smart bombs and heavy artillery and – yes! – nukes, not to mention the sophisticated anti-rocket devices, sirens and shelters which help protect the Israeli population. But they allow Israel to remain – in its own eyes and those of its blinkered backers – always the victim.

Why do Israelis feel like this about people they have only ever overpowered? Growing up in Jerusalem in the 1950s and 60s, I was vaguely aware that we lived in close proximity to "The Arabs" (the word Palestinians didn't come into the vocabulary until after the 1967 war), but they might as well have been on another planet.

Instead of teaching Arabic as a second language in all schools, to enable us to communicate with our near neighbours, we were taught English, French and even Latin. The only demand for Arabic came from blokes who were looking for a career in military intelligence.

Importantly, back then there were virtually no rockets, no bus explosions, no suicide bombers. But also no respect. The Arabs were not like us, refined Western Jews who went to philharmonic concerts and competed in the Eurovision.

They were dirty, smelly, incomprehensible, mildly dangerous, not to be associated with whatsoever. The ones living in Israel were to shunned. Others would sneak over the border and try to do mischief (the word "terrorism" in its current meaning was only defined by the UN as recently as 2004) and were summarily dealt with by the army.

It is a short step from that attitude to the de-humanisation of the Palestinians, which is now ubiquitous. And if they're not quite human, then... well, just look at the news.

I don't think this happened in Northern Ireland even in the darkest days of The Troubles. Which is why I don't expect any Good Fridays in the Middle East any time soon.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/what-if-british-had-treated-northern-irish-like-israel-treats-palestine-30442606.html

[give her dixie]

106 Palestinians have been killed in less than 48 hours since Israel launched a ground invasion of the besieged Gaza Strip, bringing the total number of dead in the 12-day assault to 335.

43 Palestinians were killed across the tiny coastal territory on Saturday amid intense Israeli airstrikes and shelling from both sea and land after more than 60 died the day before, while the number of injured since the beginning of hostilities reached 2,385, according to Gaza medical authorities.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714463&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[haveaharp]

106 Palestinians have been killed in less than 48 hours since Israel launched a ground invasion of the besieged Gaza Strip, bringing the total number of dead in the 12-day assault to 335.

43 Palestinians were killed across the tiny coastal territory on Saturday amid intense Israeli airstrikes and shelling from both sea and land after more than 60 died the day before, while the number of injured since the beginning of hostilities reached 2,385, according to Gaza medical authorities.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714463&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Where is the international pressure from the west ? do they really give a rats arse ?