The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

I suspect you are right, but why give Netanyahu the easy propaganda to silence any critics among the reasonable Israelis?

Israel has poured over 100 billion dollars into the Jewish settlements, Muppet. They are not interested in a Palestinian State.
Why would they have spent all that money in order to walk away now ?
This latest violence was planned ages ago, I bet.
The Palestinians are supposed to accept whatever scraps Israel offers them.

Israel was stupid to tell the world it was getting into a peace process in 1991. They had no intention of freeing the Palestinians but they did raise expectations in Europe and now they can't explain why they are so opposed to a Palestinian state.

When Arafat was alive they said he was an obstacle to peace.
Mahmoud Abbas bent over backward to fulfil Israel's demands since 2005 and they wouldn't even negotiate with him. Israel is shot through with bad faith .

   

[Mike Sheehy]

Israel is shot through with bad faith .

You have a lot in common with them so. Two sides of the same coin so to speak.

[give her dixie]

2 Palestinians killed in overnight raids in Ramallah and Nablus

Two Palestinians were shot and killed during clashes in Ramallah and Nablus overnight Sunday, as Israeli forces continued a massive search operation across the West Bank for three missing Israeli teenagers.

The killings mark a major upsurge in Israeli violence amid one of the largest deployments since the Second Intifada, with at least five Palestinians killed in the last week and more than 370 arrested.

Ahmad Said Suod Khalid, 27, in al-Ein refugee camp in Nablus and Mahmoud Ismail Atallah Tarifi, 30, in Ramallah were killed as locals protested raids in those areas early Sunday morning.

In al-Ein refugee camp, Israeli soldiers fired four gunshots at Khalid while he was headed to a mosque for dawn prayer.

According to eyewitnesses, the soldiers asked Khalid to go back home, but he refused and insisted on walking to the mosque. At this point, a soldier pointed his rifle at him and shot him several times from point-blank range.

The victim's body was subsequently taken to Rafidia Hospital in Nablus.

The Israeli military said in a statement that the victim "was approaching them in a threatening manner" at the time he was shot, and that they "called on the suspect to stop and after he failed to comply they fired warning shots in the air."

Israeli soldiers then "fired towards the suspect."

"Initial inquiry suggests that the suspect was mentally unstable," the statement said, adding that "the incident is currently being investigated."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706668

[seafoid]

2 Palestinians killed in overnight raids in Ramallah and Nablus

Two Palestinians were shot and killed during clashes in Ramallah and Nablus overnight Sunday, as Israeli forces continued a massive search operation across the West Bank for three missing Israeli teenagers.

The killings mark a major upsurge in Israeli violence amid one of the largest deployments since the Second Intifada, with at least five Palestinians killed in the last week and more than 370 arrested.

Ahmad Said Suod Khalid, 27, in al-Ein refugee camp in Nablus and Mahmoud Ismail Atallah Tarifi, 30, in Ramallah were killed as locals protested raids in those areas early Sunday morning.

In al-Ein refugee camp, Israeli soldiers fired four gunshots at Khalid while he was headed to a mosque for dawn prayer.

According to eyewitnesses, the soldiers asked Khalid to go back home, but he refused and insisted on walking to the mosque. At this point, a soldier pointed his rifle at him and shot him several times from point-blank range.

The victim's body was subsequently taken to Rafidia Hospital in Nablus.

The Israeli military said in a statement that the victim "was approaching them in a threatening manner" at the time he was shot, and that they "called on the suspect to stop and after he failed to comply they fired warning shots in the air."

Israeli soldiers then "fired towards the suspect."

"Initial inquiry suggests that the suspect was mentally unstable," the statement said, adding that "the incident is currently being investigated."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706668

They shot and killed a mentally handicapped man.
Very courageous of the soldier.

[give her dixie]

2 Palestinians killed in overnight raids in Ramallah and Nablus

Two Palestinians were shot and killed during clashes in Ramallah and Nablus overnight Sunday, as Israeli forces continued a massive search operation across the West Bank for three missing Israeli teenagers.

The killings mark a major upsurge in Israeli violence amid one of the largest deployments since the Second Intifada, with at least five Palestinians killed in the last week and more than 370 arrested.

Ahmad Said Suod Khalid, 27, in al-Ein refugee camp in Nablus and Mahmoud Ismail Atallah Tarifi, 30, in Ramallah were killed as locals protested raids in those areas early Sunday morning.

In al-Ein refugee camp, Israeli soldiers fired four gunshots at Khalid while he was headed to a mosque for dawn prayer.

According to eyewitnesses, the soldiers asked Khalid to go back home, but he refused and insisted on walking to the mosque. At this point, a soldier pointed his rifle at him and shot him several times from point-blank range.

The victim's body was subsequently taken to Rafidia Hospital in Nablus.

The Israeli military said in a statement that the victim "was approaching them in a threatening manner" at the time he was shot, and that they "called on the suspect to stop and after he failed to comply they fired warning shots in the air."

Israeli soldiers then "fired towards the suspect."

"Initial inquiry suggests that the suspect was mentally unstable," the statement said, adding that "the incident is currently being investigated."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706668

They shot and killed a mentally handicapped man.
Very courageous of the soldier.

Gods chosen ones

[seafoid]

2 Palestinians killed in overnight raids in Ramallah and Nablus

Two Palestinians were shot and killed during clashes in Ramallah and Nablus overnight Sunday, as Israeli forces continued a massive search operation across the West Bank for three missing Israeli teenagers.

The killings mark a major upsurge in Israeli violence amid one of the largest deployments since the Second Intifada, with at least five Palestinians killed in the last week and more than 370 arrested.

Ahmad Said Suod Khalid, 27, in al-Ein refugee camp in Nablus and Mahmoud Ismail Atallah Tarifi, 30, in Ramallah were killed as locals protested raids in those areas early Sunday morning.

In al-Ein refugee camp, Israeli soldiers fired four gunshots at Khalid while he was headed to a mosque for dawn prayer.

According to eyewitnesses, the soldiers asked Khalid to go back home, but he refused and insisted on walking to the mosque. At this point, a soldier pointed his rifle at him and shot him several times from point-blank range.

The victim's body was subsequently taken to Rafidia Hospital in Nablus.

The Israeli military said in a statement that the victim "was approaching them in a threatening manner" at the time he was shot, and that they "called on the suspect to stop and after he failed to comply they fired warning shots in the air."

Israeli soldiers then "fired towards the suspect."

"Initial inquiry suggests that the suspect was mentally unstable," the statement said, adding that "the incident is currently being investigated."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706668

They shot and killed a mentally handicapped man.
Very courageous of the soldier.

Gods chosen ones

Godless

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.600407
"In Israel there is a special sensitivity to kidnappings, as we saw in the Gilad Shalit case, and as we are seeing now. But the response should be carefully considered: This is a serious terror attack that requires a harsh response, and those responsible must be found

[muppet]

I suspect you are right, but why give Netanyahu the easy propaganda to silence any critics among the reasonable Israelis?

Israel has poured over 100 billion dollars into the Jewish settlements, Muppet. They are not interested in a Palestinian State.
Why would they have spent all that money in order to walk away now ?
This latest violence was planned ages ago, I bet.
The Palestinians are supposed to accept whatever scraps Israel offers them.

Israel was stupid to tell the world it was getting into a peace process in 1991. They had no intention of freeing the Palestinians but they did raise expectations in Europe and now they can't explain why they are so opposed to a Palestinian state.

When Arafat was alive they said he was an obstacle to peace.
Mahmoud Abbas bent over backward to fulfil Israel's demands since 2005 and they wouldn't even negotiate with him. Israel is shot through with bad faith .

Of course they won't 'walk away'. International pressure will end it just like it ended apartheid in South Africa. What wont end it is an unwinnable war.

[give her dixie]

No doubt the UN will come down like a tonne of bricks on Israel.....


Palestine seeks UN Security Council meeting to stop Israeli 'aggression'

The Palestinian leadership has been communicating frantically with several parties to convene an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council and put an end to the "ongoing Israeli oppressive aggression" and protect the Palestinian people. The Palestinian Authority (PA) also announced that it will refer to various international organisations and authorities in this regard.

In a statement published on Sunday by the official Palestinian news agency "Wafa", the PA condemned what it described as "the collective punishment" imposed by Israeli occupation forces in all Palestinian territories with its "brutal aggression".

The PA noted that "the Israeli aggression has been taking place for several days under the pretext of searching for three missing settlers". At least six Palestinians have been killed by the Israelis during the "search" campaign. "Homes have been violated, hundreds have been arrested and many institutions and organisations, including universities, have been stormed," said the PA statement. "The Israeli government is pushing the situation towards more crisis and an explosion."

Stressing that the "aggression will not achieve its objectives", the PA insisted that it will instead only lead to the people of Palestine holding ever more firmly to their rights. "This Israeli arrogance will not prevent the determination of our people to achieve our legitimate national goals, including freedom and independence. In addition, it will not impair the strength and rooting of our unity goals, in the face of this onslaught that aims at the destruction of our national project."

The Israeli army is carrying out a widespread operation in the occupied West Bank under the pretext of searching for three Israeli settlers who went missing on Thursday June 12 from the settlement of Gush Etzion, north of Hebron. Even though the illegal settlement is in an area controlled by Israel, it holds the Palestinian Authority responsible for the settlers' safety. Around 400 Palestinians have been arrested, many of them senior officials of Hamas in the West Bank.

No Palestinian entity has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping of the settlers, although Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused Hamas of carrying out the operation. Hamas rejects the Israeli allegations.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12299-palestine-seeks-un-security-council-meeting-to-stop-israeli-aggression

[give her dixie]

Uncle Sam protects the monsters once again at the UN....

UN Security Council fails to agree on statement on Palestinian deaths

The UN Security Council has failed to agree on a statement that would have deplored the deaths of Palestinians in Israeli operations following the disappearance of three Israeli teenagers.

Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current council president, told reporters he proposed the press statement after listening to a Palestinian appeal for council action, but one council member wanted stronger language and one didn't want any reference to Israel.

Diplomats said Jordan insisted that "deploring" wasn't strong enough and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be "a red line" for the Americans. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because the consultations were closed.

UN political chief Jeffrey Feltman told the council at an earlier open meeting that the Israeli-Palestinian situation "has turned highly volatile."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.600761

[give her dixie]

78-year-old woman dies of heart attack during Israeli raid

An elderly Palestinian woman died early Thursday after suffering a heart attack during a raid by Israeli soldiers in el-Arrub refugee camp north of Hebron.

Fatima Ismail Issa Rushdi, 78, was evacuated to al-Ahli Hospital in Hebron after she suffered a heart attack.

"Fatima arrived at the emergency department suffering from a sudden heart and lung failure. Doctors tried to resuscitate her twice but there was no response and she was pronounced dead," Dr. Ashraf Zghayyar told Ma'an.

The Israeli raid on the camp started after midnight on Wednesday following a power cut. Soldiers ransacked several homes and handed summons orders to several young men, demanding that they go to an Israeli military center for interrogation.

Youths in the camp clashed with Israeli forces during the raids, with soldiers firing tear gas and rubber-coated bullets, injuring 9 youths.

An Israeli army spokeswoman said Israeli soldiers used riot dispersal means to distance a crowd after Palestinians hurled rocks at an Israeli bus.

When the crowd did not retreat, Israeli soldiers used live fire, she added, with no hits identified.

Red Crescent volunteers told Ma'an that they evacuated over 20 families from their homes after Israeli soldiers fired excessive amounts of tear gas.

Israeli forces detained 13-year-old Sufyan Jaafar Abu Arqub and 14-year-old Jaafar Taha in Dura, while soldiers detained Amir al-Qasrawi in Hebron and confiscated his computer and a security camera installed outside his home.

Six Palestinians have been shot dead by Israeli forces and more than 120 have been injured during a large-scale arrest campaign across the West Bank since the disappearance of three Israeli youths near Gush Etzion on June 12.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=707937

[give her dixie]

Israel's tyranny over Palestine an abomination

Eamonn McCann – 25 June 2014

At the time of writing searches continue for the three Israeli teenagers missing, presumed kidnapped, in the West Bank. Gil-Ad Shaer (16), Naftali Fraenkel (16), and Eyal Yifrach (19) are reported to have been hitching from school to their homes in Gush Etzion, a group of settlements housing 70,000 Israelis, when snatched by unknown assailants.

Binyamin Netanyahu has sent more than 2,500 soldiers into the West Bank, ostensibly to try to find the missing teenagers, but, in the view of many, also, and at least as importantly, to inflict collective punishment on the Palestinian people and deal a blow to the "unity" Government formed last month by the moderate Fatah and the militant Hamas.

Hamas has denied involvement. Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas said last Saturday: "The missing settlers ... are human beings like us. We must return them to their families."

On NBC's Meet The Press the following day, Netanyahu dismissed Abbas's statement with scorn. He must meet three conditions to demonstrate good faith, said Netanyahu: eschew statements suggesting that Israeli behaviour is one of the reasons (Abbas has never said the only reason) for Palestinians supporting militant groups; back Israel's efforts to capture the kidnappers, and kick Hamas out of the Government.

The Israeli operation has involved the closing off of entire Palestinian areas. House-to-house searches are under way. Agency reports tell that Israeli military vehicles are currently patrolling towns including Hebron, Nablus, Bethlehem, East Jerusalem, Qalqilya, Jenin, Salfit and Ramallah – all in an area regarded by the overwhelming majority of countries, including the countries of the EU, as Palestinian territory.

But there is no debate anywhere in EU or Nato countries about intervention, sanctions, no-fly zones or any other strategy for protecting the people of the area.

Oppression of Palestinians didn't begin with the disappearance of the three teenagers. Geneva-based independent NGO Defence of Children International (DCI) says that 196 Palestinians aged 18 or under were imprisoned in April. Of these, says DCI, around 100 were 15 or under.

DCI says that, of 40 cases they have examined in detail, 34 involved youngsters aged 17 or under. In the 13 years since the second intifada, 1,518 Palestinians under 18 have been killed by Israeli occupation forces: on average, one every three days. In the same period, more than 9,000 Palestinian children have been seized and taken away.

Hanan Ashrawi, spokeswoman for the Palestine Liberation Organisation, said this week: "(The Israelis) are telling the Palestinians, 'We can do whatever we want and get away with it. We can enter Ramallah or anywhere else and kill people with impunity'."

And so they can. Just as they can smear anyone standing up for Palestinian rights as anti-Semitic. In the same way, some years ago campaigners for the release of Irish people wrongfully convicted of terrorist offences were routinely denounced as supporters of the organisations which had actually carried out the atrocities.

Some of us recall being told that, in writing and speaking for the release of Gerry Conlon, Paddy Hill and others, we were belittling the memory of those who had perished at the hands of the IRA in Guildford, Woolwich and Birmingham.

It was against the background of continuing unacceptable Israeli actions that the Presbyterian Church in the US, following the lead of the Quakers, the Mennonites and the pensions board of the United Methodists, voted last Friday to get rid of its stock in Caterpillar, Hewlet-Packard and Motorola Solutions – companies supplying services to the forces of occupation.

Right on cue, the Israeli embassy in Washington characterised the Presbyterian initiative as "driven by hatred of Israel".

Lobbyists for Israel dismissed the role in securing the Presbyterian vote of the Rabbinical Council of Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) – "a fast-growing network of rabbis, cantors and rabbinical students", according to its website.

JVP director Rabbi Alissa Wise had led inter-faith prayers for the success of the resolution. They were, inevitably, described by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as "self-hating Jews".

These developments reflect the fact that the minority of Israelis and of Jews of the Diaspora who have taken up the fight for Palestinian rights seems to be steadily growing. Therein lies one source of hope for the future.

Every decent person will join in demands for the release and return to their families of Gil-Ad, Naftali and Eyal. In the interests of peace and security for all in the region, we should look then at the wider picture and raise our voices in protest against Israel's abominable treatment of the Palestinian people.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/israels-tyranny-over-palestine-an-abomination-30380911.html

[give her dixie]

Gods chosen ones, with full US support, are back doing what they do best.

2 more Palestinians blown to bits in Gaza in the past hour, taking the death toll to 10 since the 3 illegal settlers went missing over a week ago.

[AZOffaly]

Gods chosen ones, with full US support, are back doing what they do best.

2 more Palestinians blown to bits in Gaza in the past hour, taking the death toll to 10 since the 3 illegal settlers went missing over a week ago.

Nice. I have sympathy for the Palestinian People, and I think the Israeli government are a disgrace, but you really make it hard sometimes.

[Franko]

Gods chosen ones, with full US support, are back doing what they do best.

2 more Palestinians blown to bits in Gaza in the past hour, taking the death toll to 10 since the 3 illegal settlers went missing over a week ago.

Nice. I have sympathy for the Palestinian People, and I think the Israeli government are a disgrace, but you really make it hard sometimes.

+1

GHD and Seafoid endlessly produce articles which I can only assume are an attempt to highlight the goings on in the Middle East in an attempt to win the hearts and minds of the board members.

They then blow their plan to bits as soon as they provide any narrative of their own.

[give her dixie]

So, what the f**k are Seafoid and I doing wrong?

People are been blown to bits and murdered in cold blood, their land stolen, their houses demolished, their children thrown in jails, prisoners been held without charge or trial and going on mass hunger strike in protest, been locked up in the prison that is called Gaza and starved, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I have been there, I have seen with my own eyes the death and destruction, and I post here on the reality of life for Palestinians. However, it seems Seafoid and myself are in the wrong for doing so, and for reporting on it here.

Lets get back to the reality for many. The world cup and Luis Suarez biting someone.