The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

[Mike Sheehy]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

[seafoid]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

Isn't it just, for everyone who is totally clueless

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Such a shameful list.
Even post Sabra and Shatila the Yanks covered Israel's ass at the UN
And remember when "Calling on Israel to Accept Applicability of 4th Geneva Convention" was just too anti semitic.   

[Mike Sheehy]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

Isn't it just, for everyone who is totally clueless

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Such a shameful list.
Even post Sabra and Shatila the Yanks covered Israel's ass at the UN
And remember when "Calling on Israel to Accept Applicability of 4th Geneva Convention" was just too anti semitic.

Lets stick to the point. The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

[seafoid]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

Isn't it just, for everyone who is totally clueless

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Such a shameful list.
Even post Sabra and Shatila the Yanks covered Israel's ass at the UN
And remember when "Calling on Israel to Accept Applicability of 4th Geneva Convention" was just too anti semitic.

Lets stick to the point. The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

You're such a laugh
Your position is that there is no Jewish lobby. 

Here's a video if you are genuinely interested.
Jen Psaki, US government spokeswoman tries to square the circle on why the US is wagged by the Israeli tail when it comes to the Palestinians

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1857622883?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAGWqYgE~,KxHPzbPALrFGi6o0QhQY9IxyliWBJ3Vq&bctid=2606666240001

Start at 50 minutes
Stick to the point

and over 30 UN vetoes not good enough for you either ?

[Mike Sheehy]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

Isn't it just, for everyone who is totally clueless

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Such a shameful list.
Even post Sabra and Shatila the Yanks covered Israel's ass at the UN
And remember when "Calling on Israel to Accept Applicability of 4th Geneva Convention" was just too anti semitic.

Lets stick to the point. The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

You're such a laugh
Your position is that there is no Jewish lobby. 

Here's a video if you are genuinely interested.
Jen Psaki, US government spokeswoman tries to square the circle on why the US is wagged by the Israeli tail when it comes to the Palestinians

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1857622883?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAGWqYgE~,KxHPzbPALrFGi6o0QhQY9IxyliWBJ3Vq&bctid=2606666240001

Start at 50 minutes
Stick to the point

and over 30 UN vetoes not good enough for you either ?

Really  ? Where did I say there was no jewish lobby ? In fact I very clearly mentioned "jewish lobby" in my post...this is typical of your blatant lies.

Now answer the question, The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

[seafoid]

Netanyahu has asked the world to boycott the new Palestinian unity "government" but so far it has been recognised by the EU, China and the US.

Hang on, didn't you say that the US does whatever the jewish lobby tells it to do ?
This is a serious blow to the narrative you have been force feeding us all these years Seafoid.

Isn't it just, for everyone who is totally clueless

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Such a shameful list.
Even post Sabra and Shatila the Yanks covered Israel's ass at the UN
And remember when "Calling on Israel to Accept Applicability of 4th Geneva Convention" was just too anti semitic.

Lets stick to the point. The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

You're such a laugh
Your position is that there is no Jewish lobby. 

Here's a video if you are genuinely interested.
Jen Psaki, US government spokeswoman tries to square the circle on why the US is wagged by the Israeli tail when it comes to the Palestinians

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1857622883?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAGWqYgE~,KxHPzbPALrFGi6o0QhQY9IxyliWBJ3Vq&bctid=2606666240001

Start at 50 minutes
Stick to the point

and over 30 UN vetoes not good enough for you either ?

Really  ? Where did I say there was no jewish lobby ? In fact I very clearly mentioned "jewish lobby" in my post...this is typical of your blatant lies.

Now answer the question, The US has recognized the Palestinian unity "government".

How is that consistent with your repeated claims that the US does what the jewish lobby tells it to do ?

What is your point? Are you saying the behaviour of the US is independent of the Jewish lobby ? And has been since 1967 ?
Can you clarify your view?

[Mike Sheehy]

What is your point? Are you saying the behaviour of the US is independent of the Jewish lobby ? And has been since 1967 ?
Can you clarify your view?

Lets be very specific here. There are MANY groups that lobby the US government. Catholic, jewish, muslim groups all lobby in a multitude of diverse forms on religious and secular issues. Secular groups also lobby on domestic and foreign policy. On the middle east, in particular, there are pro-palestinian lobbying groups such as AAPER , Arab governemnts routinely lobby on Foreign policy and then there are groups that try to influence US foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction, chief among these is AIPAC.

So, I assume that it is primarily this group i.e AIPAC that you are referring to, correct ?

If so the answer to your question as to whether the US government has been independent of AIPAC the answer is clearly no. Of course the  US government has been influenced by the likes of AIPAC but it has also been influenced by many other groups and you proved this by informing us that the US had recognized the palestinian unity government. AIPAC were against this and lobbied the US governement against recognizing it.
http://usc.news21.com/madeline-story/aipac-current-talking-points-1
Their chief argument against it is that it includes Hamas which is a US designated terrorist group. So, not only did the US go against AIPIC but they recognized a government which included included a group on their terrorist list !

...and yet you insist on telling us that the US dog is wagged by the Israeli tail 

(Aside: Also, moving foward lets refer to the specific lobby groups by there actual names. I don't have a problem, per se, with someone in good faith using the term "jewish lobby"when talking about AIPAC however, strictly speaking, this is incorrect and  I get very uncomfortable when someone like you uses this blanket term because of your anti-semitic leanings)

[give her dixie]

'Proper Zionist response': Israel issues tenders for 1,500 new settlement homes

Israel's housing ministry has issued 1,500 tenders for new settlement housing units, explaining the move as a response to the Palestinian unity government. The Palestinians say they will appeal the decision at the UN Security Council.

Tenders for 900 housing units in the West Bank and 560 units in east Jerusalem were issued late Wednesday. Housing Minister Uri Ariel described the move as a response to the new Palestinian unity cabinet, which was sworn in Monday.

http://rt.com/news/163836-israel-releases-tenders-settlements/


Israel advancing plans for 1,800 new settlement units - on top of tenders for 1,500 units

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided Thursday to unfreeze planning processes for 1,800 housing units in the settlements that have been frozen the last three months, in response to the establishment of the Palestinian unity government earlier this week.

The announcement comes just hours after the Housing Ministry published tenders for 1,500 housing units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem on Wednesday, a move termed by Minister Uri Ariel as a response to the new Palestinian unity cabinet.

"When Israel is spat upon, it has to do something about it," Ariel told Israel Radio, adding that construction tenders had been issued as a response to what he termed a Palestinian "terrorist government."

http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.597191



Letters
G4S must end its complicity in Israel's abuse of child prisoners


As G4S management and shareholders prepare to participate in the G4S AGM on Thursday, we call on G4S management and shareholders to end the corporation's participation in Israel's brutal occupation. G4S operates and maintains security systems at the Ofer prison, located in the occupied West Bank, and for the Kishon and Moskobiyyeh detention/interrogation facilities, at which human rights organisations have documented systematic torture and ill-treatment of Palestinian prisoners, including child prisoners, held in solitary confinement.

G4S helps the Israeli prison service to run prisons inside Israel that hold prisoners from occupied Palestinian territory, despite the fourth Geneva convention prohibition of the transfer of prisoners from occupied territory into the territory of the occupier. Through its involvement in Israel's prison system, G4S is complicit in violations of international law and participates in Israel's use of mass incarceration as a means by which to dissuade Palestinians from protesting against Israel's systematic human rights abuses.

G4S also provides equipment and services to the Israeli military checkpoints in the West Bank that form part of the route of Israel's illegal wall and to the terminals isolating the occupied and besieged territory of Gaza. G4S's role in Israel's brutal occupation and abhorrent prison system is unacceptable and must end. Join our call – add your name to this letter on the War on Want website.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Ahmed Kathrada South African politician and former political prisoner, Alexei Sayle Comedian, Alice Walker Author, Angela Davis Author and activist, Breyten Breytenbach Poet and painter, John Berger Author, Ken Loach Director, Michael Mansfield QC Barrister, Mike Leigh Director, Miriam Margolyes Actor, Noam Chomsky Philosopher and author, Paul Laverty Screenwriter, Professor Richard Falk Professor of international law, Roger Waters Musician, Saleh Bakri Actor



• More than 200 Palestinian children are being held in Israeli prisons. At least two of the jails where Palestinian children are detained – Ofer in the West Bank and Al Jalame in Israel – are supplied with security systems by G4S.

Several organisations, including Unicef in 2013, have documented the ill-treatment of the children inside these prisons. Unicef reported that the abuse of Palestinian youngsters trapped in the Israeli prison system is "widespread, systematic and institutionalised". At its AGM last year, a number of concerned shareholders questioned the G4S board about the company's complicity in the detention and abuse of Palestinian children, eliciting the promise of a review of the current situation.

A year on, G4S appears to be as entrenched as ever in the Israeli prison system. This is an unacceptable position for the company, with its headquarters in the UK, to be in. We call on G4S to show it has a conscience and terminate its contracts with facilities where children suffer routine physical and verbal abuse, contrary to the norms of civilised society.

Jeremy Corbyn MP, Andy Slaughter MP, Grahame Morris MP, Richard Burden MP, Katy Clark MP, Chris Williamson MP, Alex Cunningham MP, John Denham MP, Caroline Lucas MP, Paul Blomfield MP, Crispin Blunt MP, Joan Ruddock MP, Mark Durkan MP, Roger Godsiff MP, Hugh Lanning Chair, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Geoffrey Bindman QC, Bruce Kent CND, Caryl Churchill Playwright, Victoria Brittain Journalist and author, Rev Canon Garth Hewitt Amos Trust, Professor Steven Rose, John Austin, Betty Hunter

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/g4s-complicity-israel-abuse-child-prisoners

[seafoid]

What is your point? Are you saying the behaviour of the US is independent of the Jewish lobby ? And has been since 1967 ?
Can you clarify your view?

Lets be very specific here. There are MANY groups that lobby the US government. Catholic, jewish, muslim groups all lobby in a multitude of diverse forms on religious and secular issues. Secular groups also lobby on domestic and foreign policy. On the middle east, in particular, there are pro-palestinian lobbying groups such as AAPER , Arab governemnts routinely lobby on Foreign policy and then there are groups that try to influence US foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction, chief among these is AIPAC.

So, I assume that it is primarily this group i.e AIPAC that you are referring to, correct ?

If so the answer to your question as to whether the US government has been independent of AIPAC the answer is clearly no. Of course the  US government has been influenced by the likes of AIPAC but it has also been influenced by many other groups and you proved this by informing us that the US had recognized the palestinian unity government. AIPAC were against this and lobbied the US governement against recognizing it.
http://usc.news21.com/madeline-story/aipac-current-talking-points-1
Their chief argument against it is that it includes Hamas which is a US designated terrorist group. So, not only did the US go against AIPIC but they recognized a government which included included a group on their terrorist list !

...and yet you insist on telling us that the US dog is wagged by the Israeli tail 

(Aside: Also, moving foward lets refer to the specific lobby groups by there actual names. I don't have a problem, per se, with someone in good faith using the term "jewish lobby"when talking about AIPAC however, strictly speaking, this is incorrect and  I get very uncomfortable when someone like you uses this blanket term because of your anti-semitic leanings)

AIPAC is a Jewish lobby. Its purpose is to keep American politicians loyal to Israel.

there are lobbies but none of them have the majority of politicians doing their thing. Only the NRA gets anywhere near AIPAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw_X3k2YyGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673_f2EtdT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt3x4_slR7M

And that's down to money

Why is AIPAC so important? Because Israel is a tiny country half way around the world and normally a superpower wouldn't give it a second thought. How much political time does Laos get in DC ? 

And denying how Zionism works is denying reality.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/chris-christie-occupied-territories-apology-105169.html#ixzz33rRSX06E
LAS VEGAS – New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie apologized to Sheldon Adelson in a meeting Saturday for stepping on a fault line in Middle East politics during a speech he gave earlier in the day, according to a source familiar with the conversation.
Invoking a 2012 trip he and his family took to Israel, Christie recalled in the speech: "I took a helicopter ride from the occupied territories across and just felt personally how extraordinary that was to understand, the military risk that Israel faces every day."
While the story was intended to forge common cause with Adelson and the several hundred donors to the Republican Jewish Coalition to which Christie was speaking, his use of the term "occupied territories" set off murmurs in the crowd. The term refers to lands in which Palestinians live where Israel maintains a military presence, including the West Bank.
But the term is rejected by some conservative Zionists like Adelson who see it as validating Palestinian challenges over Israel's presence. Other supporters of Israel oppose the use of the term"

Adelson is straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

This stuff is really dangerous. Israel can't force the world to accept apartheid in the West Bank.
Denying how the system works does not help Israel.


So, not only did the US go against AIPIC but they recognized a government which included included a group on their terrorist list !

AIPAC lobbied to have it on that list.

Romney lost despite all the money Adelson donated. When push comes to shove more Americans put jobs before that Shangri La in the Middle East.

[thebigfella]

What is your point? Are you saying the behaviour of the US is independent of the Jewish lobby ? And has been since 1967 ?
Can you clarify your view?

Lets be very specific here. There are MANY groups that lobby the US government. Catholic, jewish, muslim groups all lobby in a multitude of diverse forms on religious and secular issues. Secular groups also lobby on domestic and foreign policy. On the middle east, in particular, there are pro-palestinian lobbying groups such as AAPER , Arab governemnts routinely lobby on Foreign policy and then there are groups that try to influence US foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction, chief among these is AIPAC.

So, I assume that it is primarily this group i.e AIPAC that you are referring to, correct ?

If so the answer to your question as to whether the US government has been independent of AIPAC the answer is clearly no. Of course the  US government has been influenced by the likes of AIPAC but it has also been influenced by many other groups and you proved this by informing us that the US had recognized the palestinian unity government. AIPAC were against this and lobbied the US governement against recognizing it.
http://usc.news21.com/madeline-story/aipac-current-talking-points-1
Their chief argument against it is that it includes Hamas which is a US designated terrorist group. So, not only did the US go against AIPIC but they recognized a government which included included a group on their terrorist list !

...and yet you insist on telling us that the US dog is wagged by the Israeli tail 

(Aside: Also, moving foward lets refer to the specific lobby groups by there actual names. I don't have a problem, per se, with someone in good faith using the term "jewish lobby"when talking about AIPAC however, strictly speaking, this is incorrect and  I get very uncomfortable when someone like you uses this blanket term because of your anti-semitic leanings)

AIPAC is a Jewish lobby. Its purpose is to keep American politicians loyal to Israel.

there are lobbies but none of them have the majority of politicians doing their thing. Only the NRA gets anywhere near AIPAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw_X3k2YyGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673_f2EtdT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt3x4_slR7M

And that's down to money

Why is AIPAC so important? Because Israel is a tiny country half way around the world and normally a superpower wouldn't give it a second thought. How much political time does Laos get in DC ? 

And denying how Zionism works is denying reality.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/chris-christie-occupied-territories-apology-105169.html#ixzz33rRSX06E
LAS VEGAS – New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie apologized to Sheldon Adelson in a meeting Saturday for stepping on a fault line in Middle East politics during a speech he gave earlier in the day, according to a source familiar with the conversation.
Invoking a 2012 trip he and his family took to Israel, Christie recalled in the speech: "I took a helicopter ride from the occupied territories across and just felt personally how extraordinary that was to understand, the military risk that Israel faces every day."
While the story was intended to forge common cause with Adelson and the several hundred donors to the Republican Jewish Coalition to which Christie was speaking, his use of the term "occupied territories" set off murmurs in the crowd. The term refers to lands in which Palestinians live where Israel maintains a military presence, including the West Bank.
But the term is rejected by some conservative Zionists like Adelson who see it as validating Palestinian challenges over Israel's presence. Other supporters of Israel oppose the use of the term"

Adelson is straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

This stuff is really dangerous. Israel can't force the world to accept apartheid in the West Bank.
Denying how the system works does not help Israel.


So, not only did the US go against AIPIC but they recognized a government which included included a group on their terrorist list !

AIPAC lobbied to have it on that list.

Romney lost despite all the money Adelson donated. When push comes to shove more Americans put jobs before that Shangri La in the Middle East.

Not bad, only took you 2 days of research. Wiki?

[give her dixie]

BDS is unstoppable at this stage......


The Gates Foundation Asset Trust, the entity that manages the investments for the $40.2 billion Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, has liquidated its entire stake in G4S Plc (GFS), the world's biggest security-services provider.

"Like other large foundations, the foundation trust evaluates its holdings regularly, both for performance and fit," John Pinette, a spokesman for the Gates family, said in a statement. "As a result of this, the foundation trust no longer holds an investment in G4S."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-06/gates-foundation-sells-stake-in-u-k-security-company-g4s.html

[seafoid]

BDS is unstoppable at this stage......


The Gates Foundation Asset Trust, the entity that manages the investments for the $40.2 billion Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, has liquidated its entire stake in G4S Plc (GFS), the world's biggest security-services provider.

"Like other large foundations, the foundation trust evaluates its holdings regularly, both for performance and fit," John Pinette, a spokesman for the Gates family, said in a statement. "As a result of this, the foundation trust no longer holds an investment in G4S."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-06/gates-foundation-sells-stake-in-u-k-security-company-g4s.html

They will scream antisemitism but apartheid is toxic for business. They got 20 years to prove  they wanted peace and they chose to give it 2 fingers.

[give her dixie]

Competing with the other Colonial outpost Canada in who can support Israel the most,
Australia have now decided that Jerusalem is not occupied territory......

In policy shift, Australia declares East Jerusalem is not occupied

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.597130

[Mike Sheehy]

AIPAC is a Jewish lobby. Its purpose is to keep American politicians loyal to Israel.
there are lobbies but none of them have the majority of politicians doing their thing. Only the NRA gets anywhere near AIPAC

And that's down to money

Why is AIPAC so important? Because Israel is a tiny country half way around the world and normally a superpower wouldn't give it a second thought. How much political time does Laos get in DC ? 

Seafoid, you give yourself away everytime. One of THE classic signs of anti-semitism is claiming that "jews" have a disproportionate influence. You simply can't help yourself.

Refuses to make any distinction between an Israeli Lobby and jews ......check
Says the "jews" have too much influence...........................................check
makes allusions to money...............................................................check

and then, right on cue this...

Adelson is straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

what is that supposed to mean ?

Also, did it ever occur to to you that Americans simply have a more positive to attitude to Israel than Europeans (which wouldn't be hard) and their politicians reflect this. Given the US involvement in WWII and the genocide that they witnessed (and fought against) it should be no surprise that they would believe in the right of Israel to exist and that it has a right to security. Don't assume for a second though, that the Palestinian cause is not championed in the US. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is endlessly debated and Israel and AIPAC all come in for robust, sustained and energetic criticism. I know this because I have lived here for the best part of 20 years. You, on the other hand, know f**k all about the US , the people or their politicians. You are just a cut'n'paste demagogue. You have a complete inability to  originate ,or process, any political viewpoint that rises above cartoon level simplicity.

Also, I want to set something straight here.... even if one assumes that the Jewish diaspora plays a role US politics...so what ? The Irish have had a huge impact on US politics. Tamany Hall ran New York for decades. The Italians also have had a huge influence. Do you ever hear about the undue influence of the Irish, Italian or Catholics ...no. That is why your anti-Semitism is so obvious Seafoid. As I have said before, it is the particularity of your obsession that makes you stand out.

Romney lost despite all the money Adelson donated. When push comes to shove more Americans put jobs before that Shangri La in the Middle East

Another example of the Americans disproving your point about being influenced...and, yet again,  proving you talk a load of shite