The Palestine thread

[Denn Forever]

Pope Francis caught in Tagging sting operation.

[seafoid]

the pope is obviously anti-Semitic

[give her dixie]

Carlos Latuff hits the nail on the head   

[Mike Sheehy]

the pope is obviously anti-Semitic

So now you suddenly place great value on what the pope does ?
A couple of days this is what you had to say.

I note another powerful institution that was sheltering dreadful abusers was defended in the same way as Israel is by people like you .
Certain priests accused people investigating child abuse in the catholic church of a conspiracy against the church. Power works the same everywhere.

One minute you disgustingly link the cover up of paedophila by the Catholic hierarchy to those who call out anti-semites for what they are.

Then you , almost immediately,  turn around and use the head of the very same hierarchy as some sort of shield for your antisemitism.

Your hypocrisy is mindblowing. Let this be a lesson to anyone reading this. This is how anti-semites operate. They will do and say anything to hide their hateful bigotry.

Unfortunately it is this hiding of true intentions and fanning of sectarian hatred that leads to terrorist attacks like we saw in Belgium this weekend and in other recent attacks in France.

France is a good case in point. Remember the 'Quenelle' ? Remember how people would make the gesture in front of Synagogues and the like and then turn around and say "Oh no, its not anti semitic..its anti-establishment". You could almost see them with lying grins on their faces as they goad people about not being able to "prove" that it's an anti-semitic gesture 

That lying, disingenious face is the face of Seafoid except his cover is the palestinian cause rather than the French anti-establishment.

[seafoid]

the pope is obviously anti-Semitic

So now you suddenly place great value on what the pope does ?
A couple of days this is what you had to say.

I note another powerful institution that was sheltering dreadful abusers was defended in the same way as Israel is by people like you .
Certain priests accused people investigating child abuse in the catholic church of a conspiracy against the church. Power works the same everywhere.

One minute you disgustingly link the cover up of paedophila by the Catholic hierarchy to those who call out anti-semites for what they are.

Then you , almost immediately,  turn around and use the head of the very same hierarchy as some sort of shield for your antisemitism.

Your hypocrisy is mindblowing. Let this be a lesson to anyone reading this. This is how anti-semites operate. They will do and say anything to hide their hateful bigotry.

Unfortunately it is this hiding of true intentions and fanning of sectarian hatred that leads to terrorist attacks like we saw in Belgium this weekend and in other recent attacks in France.

France is a good case in point. Remember the 'Quenelle' ? Remember how people would make the gesture in front of Synagogues and the like and then turn around and say "Oh no, its not anti semitic..its anti-establishment". You could almost see them with lying grins on their faces as they goad people about not being able to "prove" that it's an anti-semitic gesture 

That lying, disingenious face is the face of Seafoid except his cover is the palestinian cause rather than the French anti-establishment.

Tell us again why the Palestinians don't deserve rights.
Why is justice the same as historic Christian Jew hatred?
And what is your fascination with me ?

You should go out and get some exercise. 

[Mike Sheehy]

Tell us again why the Palestinians don't deserve rights.
Why is justice the same as historic Christian Jew hatred?

And what is your fascination with me ?

My position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is clear, consistent and  fair. Here is a summary again.

Israel have committed war crimes and have treated the Palestinians abhorrently. The settlements are illegal. The IDF behave like thugs toward Palestinians. Ultra-Orthodox extremists exert an undue influence in Israeli society. I have no problem with sanctions against Israel if that moderates their position. Palestinians have as much of a right to live in Israel as jews. Discrimination against Palestinians is rife amongst Israelies. 

In fact, I will go a step further and make a statement which will surprise you. I wish the state of Israel did not exist. Yup. I actually said that. There is a reason , however, that the state of Israel must exist and if Seafoid ever has the guts to reply and clarify his "Europes Jewish problem" statement then you will see why.

Like most moderates I've argued both sides of this argument with people. It depends which swivel eyed loony I happen to be dealing with at the time. They are usually either closet anti-semites or closet  islamophobes . The goal is always to prevent them from going unchallenged.To speak up and make them defend their position in their own words.

..and it is always their own words that hang them eventually.
 
On this board, unfortunately, it seems its a small cabal of anti-semites that do most of the shouting.For the last 13 years that I've been on the board I've seen you attack anyone that even attempts to give anything resembling a balanced viewpoint.The problem with people of a moderate persuasion is that we are usually the "silent majority" and it is that silence that allows bollixes like you to monopolize the argument. I just decided to fight back and fight fire with fire.

Unfortunately its hard to keep up with such an obsessive anti-Semite nutjob ( with over 10000 posts and whatnot)... maybe you are the one who needs to get out and get some exercise  However, I'll do my best to give you a good kicking whenever the mood takes me. Doing the right thing can be so enjoyable....

[seafoid]

Tell us again why the Palestinians don't deserve rights.
Why is justice the same as historic Christian Jew hatred?

And what is your fascination with me ?

My position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is clear, consistent and  fair. Here is a summary again.

Israel have committed war crimes and have treated the Palestinians abhorrently. The settlements are illegal. The IDF behave like thugs toward Palestinians. Ultra-Orthodox extremists exert an undue influence in Israeli society. I have no problem with sanctions against Israel if that moderates their position. Palestinians have as much of a right to live in Israel as jews. Discrimination against Palestinians is rife amongst Israelies. 

In fact, I will go a step further and make a statement which will surprise you. I wish the state of Israel did not exist. Yup. I actually said that. There is a reason , however, that the state of Israel must exist and if Seafoid ever has the guts to reply and clarify his "Europes Jewish problem" statement then you will see why.

Like most moderates I've argued both sides of this argument with people. It depends which swivel eyed loony I happen to be dealing with at the time. They are usually either closet anti-semites or closet  islamophobes . The goal is always to prevent them from going unchallenged.To speak up and make them defend their position in their own words.

..and it is always their own words that hang them eventually.
 
On this board, unfortunately, it seems its a small cabal of anti-semites that do most of the shouting.For the last 13 years that I've been on the board I've seen you attack anyone that even attempts to give anything resembling a balanced viewpoint.The problem with people of a moderate persuasion is that we are usually the "silent majority" and it is that silence that allows bollixes like you to monopolize the argument. I just decided to fight back and fight fire with fire.

Unfortunately its hard to keep up with such an obsessive anti-Semite nutjob ( with over 10000 posts and whatnot)... maybe you are the one who needs to get out and get some exercise  However, I'll do my best to give you a good kicking whenever the mood takes me. Doing the right thing can be so enjoyable....

There is no balanced viewpoint when it comes to systematic injustice.
Israel wants all the land. The 2 State Solution is dead because Israel killed it.
Settlements are illegal you say. What difference does it make? There isn't going to be a Palestinian state.
Zionism is run by thugs. GHD has been documenting it for ages.

Good luck defending apartheid. Let's see how that plays out over the next 20 years. Let's see if the Holocaust can be used to defend apartheid. Do you think it will fly? Do you think there are enough losers out there who will buy the hasbara like you did?
Is apartheid an appropriate way to remember Auschwitz? Judaism can do way better than that.

"Fight fire with fire". You never make a single point. The only skill you have is abusing other posters.

[give her dixie]

This is a Palestinian Christian web site that shows photos from Monday as illegal Israeli occupation forces attacked Palestinian Christians as they waited to see the Pope

http://www.pal-christian.org/?articles=topic&topic=445&fb_action_ids=10152484636919314&fb_action_types=og.likes

[seafoid]

http://972mag.com/netanyahu-explains-how-he-stood-up-to-the-u-s-kept-building-settlements/91344/

Asked "about peace talks with the Palestinians," Netanyahu reportedly replied, "about the – what?" to which the audience responded by breaking out into laughter.

Last year was a record year in settlement construction in the West Bank. According to figures released by the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS), there were construction starts on 2,534 housing units last year, not including East Jerusalem – an increase of 123 percent from 2012, and more than any other year since the CBS began compiling data.

[Mike Sheehy]

Zionism is run by thugs. GHD has been documenting it for ages.

So, I have you on record citing GHD as a reputable source including any sites he might use to "document" his so called findings ?

[Mike Sheehy]

ok then, since GHD is a reputable source, here are some other truths that his people have unearthed

It is now 67 years after the holocaust known as World War II. Perhaps it is time to look at it truthfully. America is in big trouble. The unpayable national debt is only a small part of it. Fact is, the White world is in big trouble. Not only America, but Europe—the homeland of the White race—is facing mortal danger. It's life or death for the White race—the race that for all its faults created Western civilization. The so-called victors of World War II won that costly struggle for the survival of Stalinist Russia and killed the very movement in Europe that was specifically dedicated to—and was accomplishing—the destruction of Communist Russia—the National Socialist movement created and led by Adolf Hitler. Worse, the Allies—Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin—then proceeded to perpetrate crimes upon the survivors unparalleled in Europe since Genghis Khan. Probably 3 million innocent Europeans perished from torture, murder, exposure and starvation after the hostilities ended. These atrocities were directed by the Allied supreme commander, Dwight Eisenhower, a protégé of financier Bernard Baruch, known at the time as "king of the Jews." It was Baruch who influenced Roosevelt to promote Eisenhower, a desk bureaucrat who had never seen combat, over the heads of 1,109 officers superior to him in experience, competence and seniority to take supreme command of the hostilities. Ike's superior was in fact not FDR but the "king of the Jews." For more, read this powerful booklet.

http://www.barnesreview.org/a-straight-look-at-the-second-world-war-the-final-truth-about-world-war-ii-p-630.html?cPath=80_44

I am having trouble understanding why you associate yourself with this viewpoint Seafoid, and yet,  still claim you are not an anti-Semite ?

[seafoid]

ok then, since GHD is a reputable source, here are some other truths that his people have unearthed

It is now 67 years after the holocaust known as World War II. Perhaps it is time to look at it truthfully. America is in big trouble. The unpayable national debt is only a small part of it. Fact is, the White world is in big trouble. Not only America, but Europe—the homeland of the White race—is facing mortal danger. It's life or death for the White race—the race that for all its faults created Western civilization. The so-called victors of World War II won that costly struggle for the survival of Stalinist Russia and killed the very movement in Europe that was specifically dedicated to—and was accomplishing—the destruction of Communist Russia—the National Socialist movement created and led by Adolf Hitler. Worse, the Allies—Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin—then proceeded to perpetrate crimes upon the survivors unparalleled in Europe since Genghis Khan. Probably 3 million innocent Europeans perished from torture, murder, exposure and starvation after the hostilities ended. These atrocities were directed by the Allied supreme commander, Dwight Eisenhower, a protégé of financier Bernard Baruch, known at the time as "king of the Jews." It was Baruch who influenced Roosevelt to promote Eisenhower, a desk bureaucrat who had never seen combat, over the heads of 1,109 officers superior to him in experience, competence and seniority to take supreme command of the hostilities. Ike's superior was in fact not FDR but the "king of the Jews." For more, read this powerful booklet.

http://www.barnesreview.org/a-straight-look-at-the-second-world-war-the-final-truth-about-world-war-ii-p-630.html?cPath=80_44

I am having trouble understanding why you associate yourself with this viewpoint Seafoid, and yet,  still claim you are not an anti-Semite ?

I don't buy your attempts to dismiss all valid criticism of Zionism because everyone who says anything against an unsustainable system is anti Semitic. That article is a pile of shite. It doesn't help the Palestinian cause.

I just wonder why justice is not available to Palestinians. At the end of the day powerless Jews were  persecuted in the past and powerless Palestinians are persecuted now. Neither are right.

GHD is very strong on what the Zionists are doing to Gaza. It's a repudiation of Jewish morality and a tragedy for the religion.
I just can't see what good it does for Judaism although perhaps you can enlighten me.

[give her dixie]

Why all Israelis are cowards

What do you call a soldier who, from a range of 80 meters, shoots at two youngsters – not yet 18 – who are passing by? What do you call the soldier who took aim and fired? And what do you call the public from which that soldier came, a soldier who shoots people as though death were a knock-down target in a shooting gallery at a country fair? Who shoots people from such a long distance, nameless beneath his helmet, shooting at people with names who fall to the ground? They won't be going to school anymore. Their mothers will never talk to them again. Their fathers will say nothing to them anymore.

What do you call a soldier who shoots two teenagers who are passing by, dozens of meters from him, schoolbags in tow? Is he supposed to shoot, even if their heads are covered with the colors of Palestine? Even if they support the army's expulsion from the territories? What do you call that soldier?

You call him a coward.

And the Israeli public – the same public from which people stand up to defend "David the Nahalawi," the Israeli soldier who in April threatened to kill a Palestinian youth in Hebron and aimed his rifle into the youth's face; the same public that watches a soldier named Effi promising Issa Amro in Hebron last month, "The first chance I get, I will shoot you," this after a settler invaded Amro's home and he asked for her to be removed – what is the right word for the Israeli public? The public who will not watch the video shot by Bilal Tamimi from Nabi Saleh, which documents Israel Defense Forces soldiers implementing the "mapping" procedure by waking up his children at night in order to photograph them, and to compare those images with film the army took during demonstrations? What do you call that public?

What do you call a public that wants to hear from the defense minister that maybe it's not true, that what they saw on the video shot in Beitunia on May 15 – when the two teenagers died during Nakba Day protests – never happened? That those who died did not really die. Or maybe they did die, but not in connection with us, that maybe it's a show.

What do you call a public that is unwilling to understand that what is shown in the film – shot by a security camera that offers no security – is murder? Assassination, not from the air, not with a bomb from the sky, but using a new method of collective indiscrimination. Shooting "toward." Murder, for which there is no charge or trial, because they are others, not us. What do you call a public that watches an execution – the death penalty – and does not lower its gaze? That does not demand an immediate investigation. That does not cry out?

Consider the concept of the différend: a situation in which a person has no language in which to speak his complaint, because the court does not exist, does not speak his language. "A case of différend between two parties takes place when the 'regulation' of the conflict that opposes them is done in the idiom of one of the parties, while the wrong suffered by the other is not signified in that idiom," Jean-François Lyotard wrote in "The Différend: Phrases in Dispute" (translation: Georges Van Den Abbeele).

And now we have the film from Beitunia, which by its very existence establishes a court in which the Israeli society will be judged, as will its army, and as will each and every one of us. For the film shows, in a manner not susceptible to denial or deconstruction, that the other side too has the ability to speak, that the other side has testimony, and that its language is understandable to everyone. For how is it possible not to understand what one sees? By what language can it be denied?

The public can no longer be indifferent to murderousness, nor any longer make use of the army and debase it to make murderousness the norm. Today, everyone – particularly once it was known that the IDF investigated but did not say anything, or reached no conclusion – must ask what he himself did at that instant when we saw the two teenagers, Nadim Siam Nuwara, 17, and Muhammad Mahmoud Salameh, 16, fall to the ground. Dead or dying. Has the différend for each of us disappeared? Have we finally, all of us, grasped that something has happened? That Israelis will never be at home in the Land of Israel if the murder does not stop. If we do not stop it now. That what people like us are called is cowards.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.596365

[Itchy]

Just wondering did anyone in Gaza ever write a similar article about Palestinian bombers blowing up women and children on a bus. Would that make all Palestinians cowards by the logic of the article? I'm sure you'd agree the people who put the bomb on the bus are despicable cowards just like I agree those Israeli soldiers are too. Ive a funny feeling though that seafood and give her dicks are not capable of seeing it from both sides.

[seafoid]

Just wondering did anyone in Gaza ever write a similar article about Palestinian bombers blowing up women and children on a bus. Would that make all Palestinians cowards by the logic of the article? I'm sure you'd agree the people who put the bomb on the bus are despicable cowards just like I agree those Israeli soldiers are too. Ive a funny feeling though that seafood and give her dicks are not capable of seeing it from both sides.

Israelis deserve security but they aren't going to get it running apartheid.