The Palestine thread

[trileacman]

Now you speak for Seafoid?

Don't waste your life arguing this shite, go back to cataloging the downfall of Arsenal/Ireland on the other threads. It's like swimming in treacle in here.

[seafoid]

Is Beaver MikeSheehy? 

[Ball DeBeaver]

Do you boys even have an argument, or do you call playing the man, an argument?

[seafoid]

The argument is pretty simple

There are 613 Jewish orthodox mitzvot regarding how to live a decent life

Zionism doesn't qualify. Torturing the neighbours is bad for the Jewish soul.   

[Ball DeBeaver]

Two years ago today, 5 members of the same family were slaughtered in their home by 2 palestinian youths. This was barbaric even by Israeli - palestinian standards, and stands as a reminder as to why Israelis are determined to keep the security barrier at any cost.

According to Israeli investigators, Amjad and Hakim Awad had attempted to acquire weapons from a Popular Front militant in Awarta. After he refused, they decided to carry out the attack using knives. Just after 9 pm on Friday night, the two left Awarta carrying several knives, an umbrella, and wire-cutting shears. The two tried to cut through the settlement's security fence, but eventually climbed over it. An initial probe showed that the fence around Itamar functioned properly. At about the same time that they infiltrated, an alarm sounded in the settlement's security room, indicating the exact location where they entered. But neither the settlement's civilian security team nor the civilian security officer, who went to the site of the disturbance and found nothing out of order, informed soldiers patrolling the area of the fence, concluding that an animal had set off the alarm, although procedures prescribe that the IDF is to be informed of any alarm.

After crossing the fence, Amjad and Hakim walked 400 meters into the settlement. The perpetrators first broke into a house of the Chai family who were on vacation, searching all the rooms.They stole an M-16 assault rifle, ammunition, a helmet, and a kevlar vest. They waited an hour and entered the Fogels' house at around 10:30 pm According to the indictment, the two entered the children's room, told eleven-year-old Yoav, who had been awakened by their entry not to be afraid, then took him to a nearby room, slashed his throat, and stabbed him in the chest. Hakim Awad then strangled four-year-old Elad with Amjad Awad stabbing him twice in the chest. The two next entered the parents' room, and turned on the light, waking them up. The parents then struggled with the attackers. Ehud Fogel was repeatedly stabbed in the neck, and Ruth Fogel was stabbed in the neck and back and then shot when the suspects saw that she was not dead. The suspects then left the house. According to the confessions of the suspects, they feared that the shots had been heard. When they went outside, they saw a patrol vehicle, but realized that they had not been discovered when it did nothing. The two then argued over whether to withdraw or carry out attacks in other homes, with Hakim insisting that they return immediately to Awarta, and Amjad arguing that they should return to the home and steal another weapon. Amjad then re-entered the Fogel home. When 3-month old Hadas began crying, Amjad stabbed her, fearing the cries would attract attention. According to several accounts, the infant was decapitated., though one source says that although her throat was deeply slit, she was only "nearly decapitated". The attackers did not notice two other children asleep in the house at the time. In their confessions they said and that they would not have hesitated to kill them if they had noticed them. The perpetrators also stole Ehud's M-16 rifle. They left the settlement without being detected.

Amjad and Hakim Awad returned to Awarta on foot, and appealed to Hakim's uncle, PFLP militant Salah Awad, for assistance, and gave him a detailed description of the attack. Salah helped them conceal their stolen weapons and burn their bloodstained clothes, and later transferred the stolen weapons to Jad Avid, a contact in Ramallah for hiding.

The bodies were discovered by Tamar Fogel, the 12-year-old daughter of the family who arrived home around midnight after a youth outing.After finding that the door was locked, she asked her neighbor, Rabbi Ya'akov Cohen, for help. He noticed tracks and mud near the house, and brought a weapon with him. The two then woke the sleeping 6-year old boy by calling through the window, and he opened the door, after which Cohen returned to his home. When the girl discovered the murders, she ran outside screaming, and the Rabbi ran back, firing several shots into the air to alert security personnel. Rabbi Cohen, who later entered the house with the girl, said that her two-year-old brother "was lying next to his bleeding parents, shaking them with his hands and trying to get them to wake up, while crying... The sight in the house was shocking." paramedics and ZAKA (Disaster Victim Identification) volunteers were called to the scene, including ZAKA regional commander Gil Bismot. Paramedics followed a trail of toys and blood to the bedroom, where they discovered the first three bodies: the mother, father and infant. In the next room they found the body of the 11-year-old sibling. Finally they reached the last bedroom, where the 4-year-old boy was severely injured and dying. The toddler died of his wounds despite the efforts of medical personnel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack





The two palestinians that carried out the attack were aged 17 and 18. Their families swore they were in their own village at the time of the attack and even claimed that one of the boys had been tortured into giving a confession.



"Both suspects confessed to the killings and offered a detailed account. They expressed no remorse for their actions, and performed a reenactment of the attack before security officials. Amjad Awad declared that he was proud of what he did and had no regrets, even if he was sentenced to death. "



The next time anyone tells you that the big bad Israelis killed a "boy" of 17 for attacking the security barrier, just remember what a "boy" this age done to these children after getting over the security barrier. Neither were members of any "faction" which some here think makes a difference when they are fired upon while attacking the security barrier. This is precisely why they shoot.

[seafoid]

Barbarism is confining 1.5 million people to less than 2000 calories each indefinitely, bombing their sewerage systems, denying them food imports etc ad infinitum.

I wouldn't confine the Ulster posters to a concentration camp because of the actions of a few catholic killers but Israel will always use the marquee deaths of selected Jews to punish the entire Palestinian people.   

[Ball DeBeaver]

Two adults and 3 children, mutilated, (one of them a 3 month old baby nearly decapitated) and all you can come up with is that load of crap.

Bravo.

[trueblue1234]

Barbarism is confining 1.5 million people to less than 2000 calories each indefinitely, bombing their sewerage systems, denying them food imports etc ad infinitum.

I wouldn't confine the Ulster posters to a concentration camp because of the actions of a few catholic killers but Israel will always use the marquee deaths of selected Jews to punish the entire Palestinian people.

Err do you not mean republican?

[seafoid]

Barbarism is confining 1.5 million people to less than 2000 calories each indefinitely, bombing their sewerage systems, denying them food imports etc ad infinitum.

I wouldn't confine the Ulster posters to a concentration camp because of the actions of a few catholic killers but Israel will always use the marquee deaths of selected Jews to punish the entire Palestinian people.

Err do you not mean republican?

I was translating for beaver who oppresses based on religion .
But Republican would be correct .

[seafoid]

Two adults and 3 children, mutilated, (one of them a 3 month old baby nearly decapitated) and all you can come up with is that load of crap.

Bravo.

All you can say is
1 Antisemite
2 Barbarian

Nothing else to say whatsoever

[give her dixie]

Exactly 4 years ago today, we were taken on buses on a tour of the area's in Gaza that were hardest hit during the 21 day massacre unleashed on the beseiged region by Israel/USA. Nothing we had seen on the TV had prepared us for what we witnessed. Total devastation in the northern area's where hardly one building was left standing. What was left of agricultural lands were either bombed or cut up by Caterpillar Dozers.

In those 3 weeks, 1,400 people were murdered, 400 of whom were only children. 28 members of the Samouni family were murdered as they were put into a house by occupation soldiers and then the house was bombed. 5,000 people were injured, and 50,000 left homeless.

Each and everyone of us were left in a state of shock and vowed to do all we could to raise awareness of the crimes against not only the defenseless  Palestinian people, but severe crimes against humanity.

This is a short video I took as we drove through northern Gaza. It doesn't really do justice to what we witnessed, but it gives an insight into what really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOellc4DVE

[give her dixie]

A selection of photo's from that day:

[seafoid]

Exactly 4 years ago today, we were taken on buses on a tour of the area's in Gaza that were hardest hit during the 21 day massacre unleashed on the beseiged region by Israel/USA. Nothing we had seen on the TV had prepared us for what we witnessed. Total devastation in the northern area's where hardly one building was left standing. What was left of agricultural lands were either bombed or cut up by Caterpillar Dozers.

In those 3 weeks, 1,400 people were murdered, 400 of whom were only children. 28 members of the Samouni family were murdered as they were put into a house by occupation soldiers and then the house was bombed. 5,000 people were injured, and 50,000 left homeless.

Each and everyone of us were left in a state of shock and vowed to do all we could to raise awareness of the crimes against not only the defenseless  Palestinian people, but severe crimes against humanity.

This is a short video I took as we drove through northern Gaza. It doesn't really do justice to what we witnessed, but it gives an insight into what really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOellc4DVE

But you have to remember GHD that a few dead Jewish settlers  justify everything that happens to Gaza in the eyes of Zionism. And it takes years of indoctrination to train Israeli  soldiers to do what they do to Gaza. And the cost will eventually be paid by Israeli society.   

[seafoid]

Give her Dixie sees the destruction with his own eyes. This is what it is all for :


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israel-going-for-one-million-jews-in-the-west-bank.premium-1.508510

Now the game has ended and real life will begin.  The third Netanyahu government has one clear goal: enlarging the settlements and achieving the vision of "a million Jews living in Judea and Samaria." This magic number will thwart the division of the land and prevent once and for all the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Disgusting attempt at oneupmanship.


Three children were butchered in their beds by a 17 and an 18 year old. One of those children was a baby, who had her throat slit from ear to ear to stop her crying. They were discovered by their 11 year old sister. When neighbours eventually entered the house they found a 2 year old toddler shaking his dead parents to try and waken them.

There is a special kind of warped hatred that can make someone be proud to do this kind of savagery. Killing in the heat of battle is completely different from the stalking and premeditated slaughtering of 3 children. You know that, and I find your attempt to shift the focus totally disgraceful.