The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

Jesus BDB, Israel claims he was injured while trying to save him from a death caused by nothing they could find? They don't even really try any more.

And before you say it I am not a fan of the Palestinian rocket launchers either. For a start they give Israel the excuse they seem to need to wreak havoc on the general Palestinian population. Every rocket launcher must know he is signing the death warrant of more of his countrymen, women and children.

He was arrested for stone throwing, Muppet.

Sorry I was speaking generally not about an individual. I can see how it looked like that in my post.

Fair enough. But even if they fire rockets they have a right to a trial.  Israel is a third world junta state at this point.  Torturing prisoners to death is supposed to be kosher.

[Ball DeBeaver]

An independent autopsy would indeed prove or disprove both sides theory, but who'd carry it out and would the state of Israel allow it?

The body has already been handed over to his family. If they don't know who to believe, then they should arrange an independent autopsy, with Israeli and PA doctors present.

[seafoid]

An independent autopsy would indeed prove or disprove both sides theory, but who'd carry it out and would the state of Israel allow it?

The body has already been handed over to his family. If they don't know who to believe, then they should arrange an independent autopsy, with Israeli and PA doctors present.

Israeli doctors like doctors everywhere are supposed to follow their Hippocratic oath. Do no harm. But there is obviously a Zionist Jewish opt out for the torture of patients.

[Billys Boots]

Friggin hell, this forum now has apologists for nearly everything - I don't know what to say.   

[Ball DeBeaver]

An independent autopsy would indeed prove or disprove both sides theory, but who'd carry it out and would the state of Israel allow it?

The body has already been handed over to his family. If they don't know who to believe, then they should arrange an independent autopsy, with Israeli and PA doctors present.

Israeli doctors like doctors everywhere are supposed to follow their Hippocratic oath. Do no harm. But there is obviously a Zionist Jewish opt out for the torture of patients.

You really do have it bad, don't you. There's rabid hatred, then there's you. Pathetic.

[seafoid]

An independent autopsy would indeed prove or disprove both sides theory, but who'd carry it out and would the state of Israel allow it?

The body has already been handed over to his family. If they don't know who to believe, then they should arrange an independent autopsy, with Israeli and PA doctors present.

Israeli doctors like doctors everywhere are supposed to follow their Hippocratic oath. Do no harm. But there is obviously a Zionist Jewish opt out for the torture of patients.

You really do have it bad, don't you. There's rabid hatred, then there's you. Pathetic.

I just look at what has happened to Israel and wonder why. After the Holocaust the Jews deserved a fresh start. Maybe they chose the
wrong place to build their state but they could have made amends. And now there are pogroms in Tel Aviv against blacks, Israel has successfully deindustrialised Gaza and turned it into a centre for disease emergence, Jews are torturing Palestinians to death, international law has been abandoned and "Never again" turned into a joke. And you can't tell me that this has got anything remotely to do with Judaism. It's all fucked up. And it can only get worse

[give her dixie]

A young man is arrested for allegedly throwing a rock at an illegal occupation soldier. He is brought to jail, and over 7 days he is tortured to the point where he died. He leaves behind a young family and a pregnant wife. Well over 200 Palestinians have died in similar circumstances during interrogation. As bad as interrogation was here back in the day, to the best of my knowledge no one died. And this man was only suspected of throwing a rock. How many rocks have been thrown in Belfast over the past couple of months, and how many people faced death by torture?

Every day the situation just keeps getting worse for Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank. And day after day western leaders turn a blind eye to it and continue to increase their support for Israel. International law is totally ignored, as is the cause of humanity. The whole thing beggars belief. Palestinians have been crying out for help for decades, and sadly they have been let down. Even the party in Ireland who claim to support them has let them down by rolling out the red carpet in West Belfast for Caterpillar, or when their youth wing show up to protest a low level Israeli official at Jordanstown, the leadership is wining and dining with the UK Ambassador at Stormont. Shame on them, and shame on their supporters for staying silent on it.

Since the ceasefire in Gaza in November, Israel has broken it over 100 times, and not one rocket has been fired. Nowhere will you see that in the news, but hey, if a rocket is fired, everyone will jump up and down and say it's their fault that the F16's are now destroying their homes and murdering their people once again.

I have no idea how long it is going to take, but some day soon, they will be brought to book. I just hope that is very soon.

[seafoid]

A young man is arrested for allegedly throwing a rock at an illegal occupation soldier. He is brought to jail, and over 7 days he is tortured to the point where he died. He leaves behind a young family and a pregnant wife. Well over 200 Palestinians have died in similar circumstances during interrogation. As bad as interrogation was here back in the day, to the best of my knowledge no one died. And this man was only suspected of throwing a rock. How many rocks have been thrown in Belfast over the past couple of months, and how many people faced death by torture?

Every day the situation just keeps getting worse for Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank. And day after day western leaders turn a blind eye to it and continue to increase their support for Israel. International law is totally ignored, as is the cause of humanity. The whole thing beggars belief. Palestinians have been crying out for help for decades, and sadly they have been let down. Even the party in Ireland who claim to support them has let them down by rolling out the red carpet in West Belfast for Caterpillar, or when their youth wing show up to protest a low level Israeli official at Jordanstown, the leadership is wining and dining with the UK Ambassador at Stormont. Shame on them, and shame on their supporters for staying silent on it.

Since the ceasefire in Gaza in November, Israel has broken it over 100 times, and not one rocket has been fired. Nowhere will you see that in the news, but hey, if a rocket is fired, everyone will jump up and down and say it's their fault that the F16's are now destroying their homes and murdering their people once again.

I have no idea how long it is going to take, but some day soon, they will be brought to book. I just hope that is very soon.

And Shin Bet blackmailing prisoners under interrogation with threats of rape of their sisters and wives. Judaism 2013.

[seafoid]

Calling BDB. Where are you, habibi? We need you now on the thread. Come and defend Israel .

I think the only way to prove beyond doubt what the actual cause of death was, is to having an independent autopsy. Until then, we are only pissing in the wind with speculation.

Israel does this sort of thing systematically. Zionism is the system. It lost touch with the rest of the world some time ago. If someone died in a Garda station I might agree with you. But not in the case of Israel.  Not with the sociopaths who run it. Netanyahu couldn't care less about human rights or the rule of law.

[theticklemister]

A Derry Palestinian support group has donated a minibus to a school in the Gaza Strip.

The 'Derry to Gaza' group raised money throughout the north west to purchase the vehicle, which will now form part of a land convoy travelling to Gaza to bring aid to the locals.

Members and supporters of the group gathered at Free Derry Corner on Friday afternoon to see the vehicle off as it began the journey to Gaza.

Betty Doherty from the group said it was the third time people from the city have taken part in a land convoy to Gaza.

"This will be the third vehicle we have delivered; first was the ambulance in 2009/10 just after operation 'cast lead,' and then two years ago we also delivered a minibus to a deaf school in the Gaza Strip," she said.

Ms Doherty said the group also donated tools to the Gazan people.

"Along with the minibus we will also be concentrating on construction tools as there is a severe shortage of tools available in Gaza even to carry out maintenance work, this is due to the blockade which still remains in place as part of Israel's collective punishment policy against the people of Gaza," she explained.

She also said the Gaza to Derry group will continue to support the Palestinian people with future projects.

"This convoy is aimed at sending solidarity and easing the suffering of the illegally imposed blockade in whatever small way it can. We realize that sending aid has not and will not bring an end to the siege on Gaza. However we are in contact with the Truth justice Peace group, and will be working with them in summer on a project that aims to set up trade between Gaza and the rest of the world," she said.

She thanked everyone from across the north west who supported the fund raising appeal. "We would like to take this opportunity to thank the children of Gaelscoil Bhun Crannacha, the people of Derry for their support and everyone involved in organizing and fund raising for this project," she said

[seafoid]

Pogrom season has started early this year in Israel

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/jewish-youths-allegedly-attack-arab-man-in-tel-aviv.premium-1.505510

40-year-old Jaffa resident was beaten with glass bottles early Sunday morning; victim's wife says attacking youths claimed 'Arabs are taking over the country.'

The attack, which occurred on Herbert Samuel Street around 4:00 A.M. after the victim, Hassan Ausruf, 40, had gone out to work. Ausruf operates a street-cleaning vehicle for contractor cleaning company. When Ausruf stopped his vehicle to fill its water tank, a group of youths assaulted him.
Ausruf's wife, Nariman, told Haaretz that a group of about 15 people started to bully and attack Hassan without provocation. "He asked them why they were attacking him and they told him with utmost chutzpah 'because you're Arab,'" Nariman told Haaretz. "They attacked him with whatever they could get their hands on, bottles and shards of glass and they inflicted serious wounds to his head and in one of his eyes." She added, "At some point he managed to escape with his entire face covered in blood and reached a friend where he collapsed."


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/arab-woman-attacked-in-jerusalem-in-alleged-hate-crime.premium-1.506028

Jerusalem police have been investigating suspicions that an Arab woman was a victim of a nationalistically-motivated attack on Monday. The police received photos showing young Jewish women attacking the Arab woman at a light rail station in the capital

[Ball DeBeaver]

Cruel siege on Gaza by neighboring state: Tunnels, flooded with raw sewage, now to be destroyed


The smuggling tunnels linking Gaza to Egypt are a security threat and must be destroyed, a Jerusalem Cairo court ruled on Tuesday, responding to a petition brought by a group of activists in the wake of rocket firing and cross border attacks on Israel a cross-border attack, by jihadist elements who infiltrated from Gaza through the tunnels, that killed 16 Egyptian border guards in August.


The Israeli Egyptian court ruling makes it obligatory that the government destroy the tunnels, according to Reuters.

Israel Egypt cannot tolerate a porous border that will continue to destabilize the Sinai Peninsula, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's national security adviser reportedly said.

Gaza, home to roughly 1.7 million people, has lived with border restrictions since Hamas's violent takeover of the territory in 2007. Smuggling under the 15-kilometer border has circumvented official crossings and bypassed restrictions for many years.

Restrictions on the influx of goods into the territory has prompted Palestinians in Gaza to smuggle in luxury goods, weapons and cash through the illegal tunnels. Hamas officials are known to collect fees from tunnel operators.

An estimated 30% of goods that reach Gaza come through the tunnels

An Israeli Egyptian lawyer, Wael Hamdy, instigated the case because he was "worried about the state of national security" in his country after terror attacks prompted by lawlessness in the Sinai desert region.

The lawyer also said that, in addition to recent efforts by Jerusalem the Muslim Brotherhood-led government in Cairo to close some tunnels,  Israel Egypt has recently resorted to other draconian and inhumane measures such flooding some of the more than 2000 active tunnel with raw sewage.




The systematic siege on Gaza's lifeline to the outside world has been met with fierce condemnation silence from pro-Palestinian groups, assorted "human rights" organizations and, even more strangely, the Guardian.

http://cifwatch.com/

If Israel were to flood these tunnels, then the usual suspects on here would be up in arms, but when it's Egypt, it's A.O.K.

[seafoid]

Cruel siege on Gaza by neighboring state: Tunnels, flooded with raw sewage, now to be destroyed


The smuggling tunnels linking Gaza to Egypt are a security threat and must be destroyed, a Jerusalem Cairo court ruled on Tuesday, responding to a petition brought by a group of activists in the wake of rocket firing and cross border attacks on Israel a cross-border attack, by jihadist elements who infiltrated from Gaza through the tunnels, that killed 16 Egyptian border guards in August.


The Israeli Egyptian court ruling makes it obligatory that the government destroy the tunnels, according to Reuters.

Israel Egypt cannot tolerate a porous border that will continue to destabilize the Sinai Peninsula, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's national security adviser reportedly said.

Gaza, home to roughly 1.7 million people, has lived with border restrictions since Hamas's violent takeover of the territory in 2007. Smuggling under the 15-kilometer border has circumvented official crossings and bypassed restrictions for many years.

Restrictions on the influx of goods into the territory has prompted Palestinians in Gaza to smuggle in luxury goods, weapons and cash through the illegal tunnels. Hamas officials are known to collect fees from tunnel operators.

An estimated 30% of goods that reach Gaza come through the tunnels

An Israeli Egyptian lawyer, Wael Hamdy, instigated the case because he was "worried about the state of national security" in his country after terror attacks prompted by lawlessness in the Sinai desert region.

The lawyer also said that, in addition to recent efforts by Jerusalem the Muslim Brotherhood-led government in Cairo to close some tunnels,  Israel Egypt has recently resorted to other draconian and inhumane measures such flooding some of the more than 2000 active tunnel with raw sewage.




The systematic siege on Gaza's lifeline to the outside world has been met with fierce condemnation silence from pro-Palestinian groups, assorted "human rights" organizations and, even more strangely, the Guardian.

http://cifwatch.com/

If Israel were to flood these tunnels, then the usual suspects on here would be up in arms, but when it's Egypt, it's A.O.K.

Very poor form from Egypt. But Egypt doesn't run Gaza. Israel does.

Gaza is Israel's bed and Israel will eventually lie in it.
Here's a video of the Attack on the Mavi Marmara where 9 peace activists were murdered by Israeli soldiers for having the cheek to deliver relief to the besieged population of Gaza.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7UN4DO1pL5E

[theticklemister]

Me mate went out to Gaza there the other day from Derry. I gave him around 20 GAA rigs from local clubs and far off counties (use to collect them), which have become old or I do not wear anymore to give to the children out there.He said he will take a few pics and email me them so hopefully i'll get them posted up on here.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Cruel siege on Gaza by neighboring state: Tunnels, flooded with raw sewage, now to be destroyed


The smuggling tunnels linking Gaza to Egypt are a security threat and must be destroyed, a Jerusalem Cairo court ruled on Tuesday, responding to a petition brought by a group of activists in the wake of rocket firing and cross border attacks on Israel a cross-border attack, by jihadist elements who infiltrated from Gaza through the tunnels, that killed 16 Egyptian border guards in August.


The Israeli Egyptian court ruling makes it obligatory that the government destroy the tunnels, according to Reuters.

Israel Egypt cannot tolerate a porous border that will continue to destabilize the Sinai Peninsula, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's national security adviser reportedly said.

Gaza, home to roughly 1.7 million people, has lived with border restrictions since Hamas's violent takeover of the territory in 2007. Smuggling under the 15-kilometer border has circumvented official crossings and bypassed restrictions for many years.

Restrictions on the influx of goods into the territory has prompted Palestinians in Gaza to smuggle in luxury goods, weapons and cash through the illegal tunnels. Hamas officials are known to collect fees from tunnel operators.

An estimated 30% of goods that reach Gaza come through the tunnels

An Israeli Egyptian lawyer, Wael Hamdy, instigated the case because he was "worried about the state of national security" in his country after terror attacks prompted by lawlessness in the Sinai desert region.

The lawyer also said that, in addition to recent efforts by Jerusalem the Muslim Brotherhood-led government in Cairo to close some tunnels,  Israel Egypt has recently resorted to other draconian and inhumane measures such flooding some of the more than 2000 active tunnel with raw sewage.




The systematic siege on Gaza's lifeline to the outside world has been met with fierce condemnation silence from pro-Palestinian groups, assorted "human rights" organizations and, even more strangely, the Guardian.

http://cifwatch.com/

If Israel were to flood these tunnels, then the usual suspects on here would be up in arms, but when it's Egypt, it's A.O.K.

Very poor form from Egypt. But Egypt doesn't run Gaza. Israel does.

Gaza is Israel's bed and Israel will eventually lie in it.
Here's a video of the Attack on the Mavi Marmara where 9 peace activists were murdered by Israeli soldiers for having the cheek to deliver relief to the besieged population of Gaza.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7UN4DO1pL5E

I can't think why Israeli soldiers fired on these poor defenseless humanitarians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI