The Palestine thread

[Ball DeBeaver]

Not in our life time, and there will be a few others go before it.

[seafoid]

Not in our life time, and there will be a few others go before it.

Tell us what happened to apartheid in South Africa.

It will be very hard for Zionism to survive sanctions.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-inquiry-calls-for-sanctions-against-israel-over-west-bank-settlements.premium-1.500565

[muppet]

I am beginning to think BDB works for Hamas.

If so well played.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Not in our life time, and there will be a few others go before it.

Tell us what happened to apartheid in South Africa.

It will be very hard for Zionism to survive sanctions.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-inquiry-calls-for-sanctions-against-israel-over-west-bank-settlements.premium-1.500565

Do you do stand up by any chance?

Errrrr, I think you'll find that South Africa still exists.

Apart from the obvious contradictions in the two, SA was ruled by a minority, denying voting rights to the majority of it's citizens. Israel is ruled by a majority, denying no voting rights to it's minority citizens.

[Ball DeBeaver]

White House Warns Syria on Weapons after Syria Threatens Israel

Syria said that it reserves the right to retaliate to alleged Israeli air strike on a military research center.


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By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 1/31/2013, 6:57 PM


The White House on Thursday warned Syria not to transfer weapons to Hizbullah, as tensions mounted following reported Israeli raids on a military research center and a weapons convoy.

"Syria should not further destabilize the region by transferring weaponry to Hizbullah," said Ben Rhodes, a US deputy national security advisor.

Syria on Thursday warned that it reserves the right to retaliate to what it says was an Israeli air strike on a military research center near Damascus, as it lodged a complaint with the United Nations.

The Syrian foreign ministry said Israel "and the states that protect it at the UN Security Council" are responsible for the air strike, and "affirms Syria's right to defend itself and its territory and sovereignty," the state news agency SANA reported.

The ministry called on "all the competent UN bodies to take the necessary steps given this grave Israeli violation, and to guarantee that it will not happen again."

Although Israel and Syria are technically still at war, the ministry's official complaint referred to the 1974 disengagement agreement between Syria and Israel, SANA said.

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has summoned Iqbal Singha, commander of the UN Observer Disengagement Observer Force... and informed him of an official protest over the Israeli violation of the disengagement agreement of 1974," the ministry said.

Syria's ambassador to Beirut Ali Abdel Karim Ali, meanwhile, too stressed Syria'ss right to respond to "the Zionist aggression."

"The Israelis, and the United States behind them, along with their Arab and regional accomplices, realize that Syria, which defends its sovereignty and territory, may decide to respond by surprise to this aggression," Ali told Lebanese website Al-Ahad, which is close to Hizbullah.

"It is up to the competent powers to choose the appropriate answer, and to determine the means and the place," Ali added.

The ambassador also said the air strike unmasks "the link between the aggression and the war that has raged in Syria for two years", referring to the revolt that broke out against President Bashar al-Assad in March 2011.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164780

[LeoMc]

I am beginning to think BDB works for Hamas.

If so well played.

You know you could be right, that "Abbas moment in the sun" article he posted was so bad I nearly replied to it and I had been reading his cut & pastes for 'balance' up to now.

[seafoid]

Not in our life time, and there will be a few others go before it.

Tell us what happened to apartheid in South Africa.

It will be very hard for Zionism to survive sanctions.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-inquiry-calls-for-sanctions-against-israel-over-west-bank-settlements.premium-1.500565

Do you do stand up by any chance?

Errrrr, I think you'll find that South Africa still exists.

Apart from the obvious contradictions in the two, SA was ruled by a minority, denying voting rights to the majority of it's citizens. Israel is ruled by a majority, denying no voting rights to it's minority citizens.

Is the Jordan Valley in Israel? 

[muppet]

Is the Jordan Valley in Israel?

[seafoid]

Here is how modern day religious Judaism works in the West Bank

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-hilltop-youth-accuse-their-former-hero-of-stealing-settlers-land.premium-1.500458

In 1998, he started the Givot Olam farm, where he lives to this day. He got the land cheaply − by trespassing on both state land and land belonging to the nearby Palestinian village of Yanun. He attacked any Arab who approached his land and was convicted of assault four times, including one case of aggravated assault.
As his fame grew, he attracted many radical settler youth who hated the petit bourgeois lifestyle in the settlements where they grew up. These youths called themselves the "hilltop youth."
Today, Ran devotes himself to his agricultural business, which has a turnover of tens of millions of shekels a year and employs dozens of people. He has a flock of goats and an enormous hen house and grows various types of crops. Four trucks take his produce throughout the country under the brand name "Givot Olam." An associate says that nowadays, "he can't afford to let himself spend half a year under house arrest: His business is too big."
But when it's no longer possible to expand at the expense of the Arabs, the Jews are next in line.

And what is ""State Land" ? How does Israel have "State Land" beyond its borders? 


http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jan/25/how-occupation-became-legal/

As revealed in The Law in These Parts, an engrossing new Israeli documentary making its American debut at the Sundance Film Festival, just hours after the ruling was handed down, Ariel Sharon, a keen supporter of the settlement project who was then Israel's Minister of Agriculture, organized a meeting to discuss how to circumvent it. Alexander Ramati, then a legal advisor to the West Bank military command, raised his hand to tell Sharon about an Ottoman concept known as "Mawat land." The Ottomans, who had controlled Palestine until World War I, had used the term to designate land far enough from any neighboring village that a crowing rooster perched on its edge could not be heard. Under Ottoman law, if such land was not cultivated for three years it was "mawat"—dead —and reverted to the empire. "With or without your rooster, be at my office at 8:00 in the morning," Sharon told Ramati, who was soon crisscrossing the West Bank in the cockpit of a helicopter, identifying tens of thousands of uninhabited acres that could be labeled "state land" and made available to settlers, notwithstanding the Geneva Convention's prohibition on moving civilians into occupied territory. In the years that followed, a string of new settlements was built on this territory, eventually prompting another challenge before the Israeli High Court. This time, the Court denied the challenge, ruling that settlement construction was permissible while Israel served as the temporary custodian of the territory. This provided a legal basis for land expropriation that has since enabled hundreds of thousands of Israelis to relocate to the West Bank.

[seafoid]

Israel's US Senate Lobby and Chuck Hagel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXTyDnA2TI

Lee: Did you say that?

Hagel: Well I said it and I don't remember the context or when I said it

Lee: Do you believe today that Israel keeps Palestinians "caged up like animals."

Hagel: No. If I had an opportunity to edit that like many things...I'd like to go back and change the words and the meaning. No, I think it was the larger context-- I've said many many things over many years.-- the larger context, of frustration and what's happening, is not in Israel's interests, [we are trying] to find ways that we can help bring peace and security to Israel.  If I had a chance to go back and edit it I would. I regret I used those words.

Steve Walt who wrote the book The Israel Lobby

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/02/01/id_like_to_thank_the_senate_armed_services_committee

I want to thank the Emergency Committee for Israel, Sheldon Adelson, and the Senate Armed Service Committee for providing such a compelling vindication of our views.  As Rosie Gray amd Andrew Kaczynski of Buzzfeed noted, at yesterday's hearing on Chuck Hagel Israel was mentioned 166 times, and Iran (a problem closely linked to Israel) 144 times. Afghanistan was mentioned only 20 times, and the problem of suicides of U.S. troops only twice. Glad to see that those Senators have their priorities straight. No wonder Mark Twain referred to Congress as "the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes."

I am sometimes asked if I have any regrets about publishing our book. As of today, my only regret is that it isn't being published now. After the humiliations that Obama has endured at the hands of the lobby and now the Hagel circus, we'd sell even more copies and we wouldn't face nearly as much ill-informed criticism.

[give her dixie]

While I would be the 1st person to welcome good news on the job creation front, i'm sorry but this is very bad news for not only West Belfast, but for Ireland.

Caterpillar, Inc. makes huge profits annually from the sale of its earth–moving equipment around the globe. The Peoria, Illinois-based corporation is Israel's primary supplier of bulldozers—one of the most destructive weapons in Israel's arsenal. The Israeli government uses Caterpillar bulldozers in the perpetration of massive human rights abuses against the Palestinian people. Since 1967, over 7,000 home demolitions have occurred across the occupied territories, leaving some 50,000 Palestinians homeless. During this same period, bulldozers have razed vast swaths of Palestinian agricultural land, depriving their owners of food and livelihood.

For years, Palestinians have been calling for a boycott of the company, and just recently, one from Professor Richard Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Also the Irish-based solidarity organisations Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Sadaka have also long been calling for that boycott.

How Paul Maskey the MP for the area can welcome this gross violator of human rights to Belfast is beyond me. Has he forgot about Rachel Corrie and how she was murdered in Gaza by a Caterpillar D9?

http://www.u.tv/News/200-Caterpillar-jobs-for-west-Belfast/6fa5a067-8748-47b6-bb79-e4c41d5a8288

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/25660

[Ball DeBeaver]

As far as I'm aware, there hasn't yet been any recorded cases of a generator built in N.I. being used to kill anyone. When there is, I'll back you all the way big lad.
I'm sure your concern for the palestinians would be a great comfort to anyone who could lose their jobs as a result of any ill conceived boycott.

Go you.

[seafoid]

As far as I'm aware, there hasn't yet been any recorded cases of a generator built in N.I. being used to kill anyone. When there is, I'll back you all the way big lad.
I'm sure your concern for the palestinians would be a great comfort to anyone who could lose their jobs as a result of any ill conceived boycott.

Go you.

good point bdb. Israeli torture creates jobs. Home demolitions too . It is a no brainer . Such as yourself .

[Ball DeBeaver]

Another one not affected by the loss of Caterpiller jobs, and so doesn't care about those that are. I'm all right Jack, so f**k you. When do we start targetting Caterpiller employees for assassination? After all, they are part of the Israeli war machine, aren't they. Those generators are vital to the zionist war effort. I know a couple of people who work for them, but they only go to the odd Antrim game, so can't be classed as true gaels.

Bravo. You're striking a blow for palestine. Whoop di do.

[seafoid]

Another one not affected by the loss of Caterpiller jobs, and so doesn't care about those that are. I'm all right Jack, so f**k you. When do we start targetting Caterpiller employees for assassination? After all, they are part of the Israeli war machine, aren't they. Those generators are vital to the zionist war effort. I know a couple of people who work for them, but they only go to the odd Antrim game, so can't be classed as true gaels.

Bravo. You're striking a blow for palestine. Whoop di do.

Caterpillar's CSR is being destroyed in the West Bank. The company can survive without Zionism . Nobody  actually  needs a messianic jewish war machine.