The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

Fox News and the Israel National News? Wow. Must be objective then.

Riddle me this muppet, are CNN & CNBC for instance objective or is it just the right wing media outlets that have no objectivity?

Stew

The US runs 2 parallel realities and it is very hard to tell from a European perspective if the non Fox one is truly real.
But Fox is f**king nuts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w85t5wxxamk

[Ball DeBeaver]

Every media outlet on this planet will give it's own slant to every story it prints. The trick is to take bits out of each and make up your own mind from the facts, not their own agenda.

[stew]

Fox News and the Israel National News? Wow. Must be objective then.

Riddle me this muppet, are CNN & CNBC for instance objective or is it just the right wing media outlets that have no objectivity?

Stew

The US runs 2 parallel realities and it is very hard to tell from a European perspective if the non Fox one is truly real.
But Fox is f**king nuts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w85t5wxxamk

Ah I get you now, a like minded man like that alleged comic, perfectly reflects stupid conservative Americans.

Give me a break ffs.

[muppet]

Every media outlet on this planet will give it's own slant to every story it prints. The trick is to take bits out of each and make up your own mind from the facts, not their own agenda.

[muppet]

Fox News and the Israel National News? Wow. Must be objective then.

Riddle me this muppet, are CNN & CNBC for instance objective or is it just the right wing media outlets that have no objectivity?

From what I have seen there is very little objectivity on the Palestine/Israel conflict in the US media as a whole. I haven't been in the States for 5 years so I may be out of date with that.

[Puckoon]

Fox News and the Israel National News? Wow. Must be objective then.

Riddle me this muppet, are CNN & CNBC for instance objective or is it just the right wing media outlets that have no objectivity?

Stew, lets be honest here. Fox news are head and shoulders (and then some) above ANY other media outlet in the USA regarding their lack of objectivity.

I watch very closely because O'Reilly has to busting his arse not to erupt in laughter when he signs off with "And remember, the spin stops here". I'll catch the fecker someday.

[seafoid]

Fox is Murdoch and Murdoch is a sc**bag.

The latest Private Eye has the details on the Leveson Inquiry fallout at News International, also Murdoch owned.

NI are paying GBP 125 million to law firm Linklaters to work their way through emails and NI paperwork and anything they think may be of interest to the police. This is handed over to the Management and Standards Committee which then decides what info is handed to the police. The police describe it as "voluntary disclosure".

So journalists and lawyers at the bottom of the NI food chain are shafted but Murdoch and his cronies are protected. 

Rotten.

[seafoid]

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/israel-s-precious-political-capital-is-being-squandered-in-hysterical-hagel-war.premium-1.492981#

West of Eden

by Chemi Shalev


Israel's precious political capital is being squandered in hysterical Hagel war

The continued omnipresence of Israel in America's political battles will harm its long-term interests, as the core of its bipartisan support gradually falls apart.

By Chemi Shalev | Jan.09, 2013 | 10:29 PM














Over the course of 15 months, Israel has turned into an omnipresent superpower in the American political psyche. From the first Republican foreign policy debate in November 2011, throughout the presidential election campaign and now, with the impending clash over former senator Chuck Hagel's confirmation hearings, tiny Israel has cast a giant shadow over the discourse and the debate on America's foreign and domestic policies.

But whether this has been good or bad for Israel itself - as opposed to the legions of politicians, pundits and other professional who make their fame or fortune or both by continuously picking fights on Israel's behalf - is a completely different matter. Political prestige, influence and sway are not an infinite resource that can be used and reused endlessly, after all, but rather a precious commodity that, in Israel's case, is being wasted on far too many campaigns that, in the final analysis, are changing very little.

Because the fact of the matter is that the many millions of dollars and scores of divisive slogans and speeches that were meant to discredit President Obama's attitude and policies towards Israel have, in their political and electoral bottom lines, amounted to almost naught. By the same token and by all appearances, the all-out, go-for-the-jugular campaign that is being mounted against the appointment of Hagel as Secretary of Defense is also likely to end in failure, at last as things stand now.

In the process, however, the American public has been exposed to dismayingly disproportionate discussion of Israel's trials and tribulations, above and beyond all the countries of the world, more or less, put together. And while the traditionally solid bipartisan support for Israel remains strong on its surface, many on the left and in the Democratic Party are increasingly viewing it as a Republican tool, which, in the natural progression of things, needs to be resisted and countered.

And thus there is room for concern that when push comes to shove, and Israel reaches a crossroads that is truly crucial or even existential, in which it needs to try and muster all the support that it can in order to exert maximal influence on American policies, it will find that too many bridges have been burned and too many supporters have been alienated in its name; that when the critical moment to use it finally arrived, Israel will discover that the force is no longer with it.

Laura Rozen wrote in the Forward about the possible fallout from a Hagel confirmation for what she described as "Israel hawks", but the same and perhaps even greater damage might be incurred if he is denied. A stinging defeat for the President would send his die-hard American opponents into ecstatic fits of joy but would Israel gain or benefit? Would the president, whose influence on Israel's fate during the next four years is far greater than all of Congress put together, be more or less favorably disposed towards Israel in the wake of a humiliating rejection of his candidate inflicted by its alleged supporters – or even by a victory earned at the expense of a bitter partisan battle? 

Moreover, is the kind of black-or-white, take-it-or-leave-it, with-us-or-against-us dichotomy that seems to be infecting every corner of American political discourse, on both the left and the right, really good for Israel or does it just serve the narrow interest of the zealots who promote it?

After all, the right wing's ferocious and usually absurd campaign against Hagel, in which hyperbole is often just an understatement, has created a no less outlandish counter-reaction on the left, in which Hagel is suddenly being casted as the answer to generations of Jewish dreams. Hagel is far from being a Haman or even Mel Gibson, as some of his determined detractors ludicrously portray him, but he is far from being a Nebraskan Judah Maccabee or Theodor Herzl, as some of his overenthusiastic supporters are now trying to propose. 

The spreading exclusionism on both sides of the fence is bound to ultimately repel well-meaning Israel supporters from both camps: if Hagel is a "litmus test" which will define true Israel lovers and expose closet anti-Semites, as one columnist suggested, than most American senators and a majority of its public opinion are soon to be excommunicated from the camp of true believers. But by the same token, if criticism of Hagel or even opposition to his appointment is now being portrayed as proof of one's retrogressive, primitive, Israel-Firsting war-mongering, as another writer on the left suggested, then far too many American Jews and, I venture to say, a majority of Israelis will soon find themselves banished to the land of the unenlightened. 

Hagel's appointment is an internal American affair, of course, but his positions are of interest and concern to everyone, including Israelis. And while charges of him being anti-Semitic are patently outlandish – his statement that "the Jewish lobby intimidates people" is a sentiment shared, though often better phrased, by most people I've ever spoken to on this topic - his attitudes towards the use of military force and unilateral sanctions Iran are a source of legitimate worry for most Israelis, at least, if not for elements of the American left that still support them. And this holds true, even if it is Obama who ultimately calls the shots.

But in the heated political atmosphere in Washington these days, the chances for a cool and constructive examination of Hagel's positions are rapidly dwindling. Unless he blunders, his appointment is likely to be confirmed by virtue of the majority that the Democrats hold in the Senate. 

The sides will then regroup for their next bitter political battle, while rational Israelis will be left on the sidelines to worry about the price they will ultimately pay for all the holy wars being fought in their name, in Jerusalem as well as on Capitol Hill.

[give her dixie]

Since 1999, over 300,000 young Jews from around the world have embarked on the free, 10-day tour of Israel known as Taglit-Birthright. It's considered the most effective means of connecting the next generation of the Jewish Diaspora to the state of Israel. The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently pledged $100 million to the program. Netanyahu is also a regular speaker at Birthright mega-events, like the one The Real News' Lia Tarachansky attended this week with journalist and Author Max Blumenthal

Well worth watching for an insight into the minds of those who become illegal settlers

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9483

[seafoid]

Since 1999, over 300,000 young Jews from around the world have embarked on the free, 10-day tour of Israel known as Taglit-Birthright. It's considered the most effective means of connecting the next generation of the Jewish Diaspora to the state of Israel. The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently pledged $100 million to the program. Netanyahu is also a regular speaker at Birthright mega-events, like the one The Real News' Lia Tarachansky attended this week with journalist and Author Max Blumenthal

Well worth watching for an insight into the minds of those who become illegal settlers

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9483

How many of them actually settle in Israel afterwards? 


http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/anglo-file/aliyah-numbers-up-from-n-america-1.386171
During the Jewish year of 5771, which ends next Wednesday, about 21,300 Jews moved to Israel, up from 17,883 new immigrants in 5770.

That is far less than the numbers of Israelis emigrating.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Since 1999, over 300,000 young Jews from around the world have embarked on the free, 10-day tour of Israel known as Taglit-Birthright. It's considered the most effective means of connecting the next generation of the Jewish Diaspora to the state of Israel. The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently pledged $100 million to the program. Netanyahu is also a regular speaker at Birthright mega-events, like the one The Real News' Lia Tarachansky attended this week with journalist and Author Max Blumenthal

Well worth watching for an insight into the minds of those who become illegal settlers

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9483

How many of them actually settle in Israel afterwards? 


http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/anglo-file/aliyah-numbers-up-from-n-america-1.386171
During the Jewish year of 5771, which ends next Wednesday, about 21,300 Jews moved to Israel, up from 17,883 new immigrants in 5770.

That is far less than the numbers of Israelis emigrating.

They must be breeding like rabbits then. 

Despite Seafoid's attempt at misinformation, the jewish population in Israel is growing steadily, year on year on year. 


Israel Now Has 6 Million Jews

The number of Israeli Jews passed the emotional 6 million mark in November, and the total population will pass 8 million in February.


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By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 12/31/2012, 11:35 AM




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Nefesh B'Nefesh





The number of Israeli Jews passed the emotional 6 million mark in November, and the total population will pass 8 million in February, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics.


The Jewish population represents 75.4 percent of the total, of which Arabs are 20.6 percent, representing a continuing trend of a higher Jewish birth rate and a lower Arab birth rate.

The other four percent of the Israeli population includes Christians, other faiths and 319,000 people who call themselves Jewish but are not recognized as such according to Jewish law. Almost all of them are from the former Soviet bloc.

As January 1 approached, the total population was 7,981,000, 1.8 per cent higher than the previous year.

The figures do not temporary residents and foreign workers.

New immigrants account for a smaller increase in the number of Jews, with only 16,500 having come on "aliyah" in 2012.

North American aliyah was about 4,000, including those who already were in Israel and took out Israeli citizenship, Nefesh B'Nefesh spokeswoman Yael Katsman told Arutz Sheva Monday. She said the numbers are rising, and that the expectation is that the trend will continue in 2013.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163726

[seafoid]

Israel has more than 5 million Palestinians living under the Zionist heel.
And the Yanks are slowly turning away from the Hasbara bullshit.

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http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/israel-s-precious-political-capital-is-being-squandered-in-hysterical-hagel-war.premium-1.492981

These activies of Israel have angered most Americans By ron
10 Jan 2013
06:38AM

It is entirely inappropriate and unprecedented for Israel to push itself into US politics and US foreign policy in this way. Israelis and their US supporters do not seem to detect how unwelcome this behavior has become. Nowadays, many people in the US press are pointing this out in very direct ways. Previously, the US media did not criticize Israel because of aggressive intimidation and labeling as anti-semitic. This is now changing completely and many prominent Jews are pointing out how this pushy behavior is hurting Israel in the long-term.

Shimon Peres said that a Jew and racism don't go together.
But that was horseshit for the goys.

[muppet]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125423/

"5 Broken cameras" is the 1st Palestinian documentary to be nominated for an Oscar. The title refers to the number of cameras broken by the Israeli army belonging to the filmmaker.

From the link above: When his fourth son, Gibreel, is born, Emad, a Palestinian villager, gets his first camera. In his village, Bil'in, a separation barrier is being built and the villagers start to resist this decision. For more than five years, Emad films the struggle, which is lead by two of his best friends, alongside filming how Gibreel grows. Very soon it affects his family and his own life. Daily arrests and night raids scare his family; his friends, brothers and him as well are either shot or arrested. One Camera after another is shot at or smashed, each camera tells a part of his story.

The film has an Israeli co-director, Guy Davidi.

[Mike Sheehy]

Does anyone know why are there 49 pages on this thread yet practically nothing is said about Tibet, Chechnya, the discrimination against black Africans in North Africa, the PKK/Turkey conflict,the ongoing conflict in Syria,  the continuing persecution of media and undermining of democracy in Russia, the discrimination against native peoples in Burma..etc, etc...the list is endless.

Why ? what is it about this particular conflict, one of many, that exercises certain people to such a frenzy ?

[Mike Sheehy]

As we speak Seafoid and give her dixie are frantically searching the internet for an opinion piece to answer this question. We live in hope that they will actually give their own opinion