Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Mike Sheehy]

You seen for yourself the evidence he was lying, but chose to ignore it and have a go at me.

Lets boil your dispute with Glens abu to its essence. your whole schtick is that he accused you of posting "articles by McIntyre" when the articles were written by guest writers. The website in McIntyres BLOGSITE, his name is in BIG BOLD LETTERS immediately above the articles. He is responsible for those articles, fullstop.

Your defence is like UKIP saying "nothing to do with us gov'nor" whenever some loony party underling goes off on a racist rant and lets the mask slip. They are fooling no-one and neither are you.

[Mike Sheehy]

However, that spat is between you and Glens Abu. In my dispute with you I am straight out calling you a liar. You lied about your intent. You posted a ridiculous shit stirring rant by a known anti-Semite and tried to pass it off as some innocent query.

Now, as for this...

Matthias Chang is a former political secretary to former Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. He is also a highly respected human rights lawyer

Yes, everybody knows that Malaysia is a bastion of human rights, especially under Mahathir Mohamads rule. Nope, no activists or opposition members were ever persecuted under his rule, no siree...... 

It gets worse though, you post this excrement as a supposed "review" of Changs book..

"". --Barnes ReviewA history-making book you'll find hard to put down. What makes Future Fastforward especially powerful and fascinating is that this is the first book critical of the New World Order and the Zionist-Anglo-American elite written by a former highranking official of a major foreign government to be published on American soil. A must read for all Americans who not only hope to have an understanding of the forces that led the United States into the world quagmire where it is today but who also pray for a better future, one in which the New World Order intriguers can be brought to heel

This "review" appears unattributed in other places and is obviously either written by Chang himself or a close friend. Is there a connection between Chang and Barnes review I wonder ? Well, surprise , surprise, Chang , on his own website, praises profusely that very same publication for inviting him to their conference. So what is this conference and who are these nice people at the barnes review ?

Oh, they are just your standard 9-11 conspiracy theorists, jailed German holocaust deniers..wives of jailed German holocaust deniers
http://www.americanfreepress.net/AFP_2006_conference.pdf

that's the American free press crowd......I wonder whats on the barnes review website ? ...lets have a look....

http://www.barnesreview.org/

Oh look, here is a "free holocaust handbook brochure" !! get one for the kids. Here is some background information on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Heres a book about "Ancient whites from Siberia"....Here is a book about Hitler, apparently its a myth that he was a coward.
Theres more....Auschwitz was black propaganda, Treblinka was just a transit point

They are f*%$£^ing Nazis you idiot. I can't believe that you were stupid enough to post a review from them. Seafoid is facepalming himself right now because you have just given the game away completely. This is proof positive. Anyone that denies that you two are raving anti-semites, holocaust deniers and Nazi-sympathizers is either blind, wilfully stupid or a fellow traveller.

[orangeman]

This is starting to look like the Cork hurlers' strike thread of a few years ago. I think it go to 500 pages.

I miss Reillers.

[give her dixie]

However, that spat is between you and Glens Abu. In my dispute with you I am straight out calling you a liar. You lied about your intent. You posted a ridiculous shit stirring rant by a known anti-Semite and tried to pass it off as some innocent query.

Now, as for this...

Matthias Chang is a former political secretary to former Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. He is also a highly respected human rights lawyer

Yes, everybody knows that Malaysia is a bastion of human rights, especially under Mahathir Mohamads rule. Nope, no activists or opposition members were ever persecuted under his rule, no siree...... 

It gets worse though, you post this excrement as a supposed "review" of Changs book..

"". --Barnes ReviewA history-making book you'll find hard to put down. What makes Future Fastforward especially powerful and fascinating is that this is the first book critical of the New World Order and the Zionist-Anglo-American elite written by a former highranking official of a major foreign government to be published on American soil. A must read for all Americans who not only hope to have an understanding of the forces that led the United States into the world quagmire where it is today but who also pray for a better future, one in which the New World Order intriguers can be brought to heel

This "review" appears unattributed in other places and is obviously either written by Chang himself or a close friend. Is there a connection between Chang and Barnes review I wonder ? Well, surprise , surprise, Chang , on his own website, praises profusely that very same publication for inviting him to their conference. So what is this conference and who are these nice people at the barnes review ?

Oh, they are just your standard 9-11 conspiracy theorists, jailed German holocaust deniers..wives of jailed German holocaust deniers
http://www.americanfreepress.net/AFP_2006_conference.pdf

that's the American free press crowd......I wonder whats on the barnes review website ? ...lets have a look....

http://www.barnesreview.org/

Oh look, here is a "free holocaust handbook brochure" !! get one for the kids. Here is some background information on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Heres a book about "Ancient whites from Siberia"....Here is a book about Hitler, apparently its a myth that he was a coward.
Theres more....Auschwitz was black propaganda, Treblinka was just a transit point

They are f*%$£^ing Nazis you idiot. I can't believe that you were stupid enough to post a review from them. Seafoid is facepalming himself right now because you have just given the game away completely. This is proof positive. Anyone that denies that you two are raving anti-semites, holocaust deniers and Nazi-sympathizers is either blind, wilfully stupid or a fellow traveller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches "—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's Law originally referred, specifically, to Usenet newsgroup discussions. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles and other rhetoric

[AZOffaly]

....and is, for some bizarre reason, seen as a valid counter argument to anyone being compared to the Nazis or Hitler on internet discussion sites.

Let's hope a wee man with a moustache doesn't rise in Germany and try to take over the world again. The discussions on internet sites won't get very far.

Was thinking the same thing myself. It's as if invoking Godwins law somehow inures someone against the charge.

[seafoid]

....and is, for some bizarre reason, seen as a valid counter argument to anyone being compared to the Nazis or Hitler on internet discussion sites.

Let's hope a wee man with a moustache doesn't rise in Germany and try to take over the world again. The discussions on internet sites won't get very far.

Was thinking the same thing myself. It's as if invoking Godwins law somehow inures someone against the charge.

Calling other posters Nazi sympathisers, anti semites and Holocaust deniers is not acceptable.

[AZOffaly]

That's also true.

[Mike Sheehy]

....and is, for some bizarre reason, seen as a valid counter argument to anyone being compared to the Nazis or Hitler on internet discussion sites.

Let's hope a wee man with a moustache doesn't rise in Germany and try to take over the world again. The discussions on internet sites won't get very far.

Was thinking the same thing myself. It's as if invoking Godwins law somehow inures someone against the charge.

Calling other posters Nazi sympathisers, anti semites and Holocaust deniers is not acceptable.

Calling other posters Nazi sympathisers, anti semites and Holocaust deniers when they are not any of these things is not acceptable.

Calling other posters Nazi sympathisers, anti semites and Holocaust deniers when when it is perfectly obvious that is what they are is not only acceptable but it is a duty of any right thinking person.

Do you expect people to catch you wearing swastikas and goosestpping around the kitchen before they call you out for what you are ?  We all know Niemollers quote "First they cam for the socialists and I did not speak out...etc"

I have given you many opportunities to defend yourself against this accusation, most recently when I asked you to explain what you meant by "Europes Jewish problem" . You consistently refuse to engage and merely post link upon link.

[AZOffaly]

In fairness Mike, that's a bit out of order. Where is the proof of the Nazi sympathising or the Holocaust denials from the lads? As regards anti semitism, I'm sure they'd say they are anti Israel/Israeli policy as opposed to anti Jewish.

[Mike Sheehy]

However, that spat is between you and Glens Abu. In my dispute with you I am straight out calling you a liar. You lied about your intent. You posted a ridiculous shit stirring rant by a known anti-Semite and tried to pass it off as some innocent query.

Now, as for this...

Matthias Chang is a former political secretary to former Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. He is also a highly respected human rights lawyer

Yes, everybody knows that Malaysia is a bastion of human rights, especially under Mahathir Mohamads rule. Nope, no activists or opposition members were ever persecuted under his rule, no siree...... 

It gets worse though, you post this excrement as a supposed "review" of Changs book..

"". --Barnes ReviewA history-making book you'll find hard to put down. What makes Future Fastforward especially powerful and fascinating is that this is the first book critical of the New World Order and the Zionist-Anglo-American elite written by a former highranking official of a major foreign government to be published on American soil. A must read for all Americans who not only hope to have an understanding of the forces that led the United States into the world quagmire where it is today but who also pray for a better future, one in which the New World Order intriguers can be brought to heel

This "review" appears unattributed in other places and is obviously either written by Chang himself or a close friend. Is there a connection between Chang and Barnes review I wonder ? Well, surprise , surprise, Chang , on his own website, praises profusely that very same publication for inviting him to their conference. So what is this conference and who are these nice people at the barnes review ?

Oh, they are just your standard 9-11 conspiracy theorists, jailed German holocaust deniers..wives of jailed German holocaust deniers
http://www.americanfreepress.net/AFP_2006_conference.pdf

that's the American free press crowd......I wonder whats on the barnes review website ? ...lets have a look....

http://www.barnesreview.org/

Oh look, here is a "free holocaust handbook brochure" !! get one for the kids. Here is some background information on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Heres a book about "Ancient whites from Siberia"....Here is a book about Hitler, apparently its a myth that he was a coward.
Theres more....Auschwitz was black propaganda, Treblinka was just a transit point

They are f*%$£^ing Nazis you idiot. I can't believe that you were stupid enough to post a review from them. Seafoid is facepalming himself right now because you have just given the game away completely. This is proof positive. Anyone that denies that you two are raving anti-semites, holocaust deniers and Nazi-sympathizers is either blind, wilfully stupid or a fellow traveller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches "—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's Law originally referred, specifically, to Usenet newsgroup discussions. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles and other rhetoric

Once again you revert back to quoting others without giving any explanation or context as to how the quote relates to your argument.

What were you thinking quoting that website ? They are so obviously Aryan supremacists that it is a joke that you could think otherwise. These are the people you get your moral bearings from. These are your "friends"

Mother of god 

[Rossfan]

Just when we thought it was safe now that Dixie/Gelns were on a ceasefire we now have the Kerry Zionist attacking anyone who doesn't share his love of Israel.
Any chance the Mods could issue a few black cards 

[Mike Sheehy]

In fairness Mike, that's a bit out of order. Where is the proof of the Nazi sympathising or the Holocaust denials from the lads? As regards anti semitism, I'm sure they'd say they are anti Israel/Israeli policy as opposed to anti Jewish.

Fair enough. Lets hear them so, once and for all, unequivocally , in their own words with no quoted statements etc state their position on

1) The Barnes review
2) "Europes Jewish problem"

lets start with that and see where we go.

I know you lads think I am being too agressive and you are right, to an extent, however, it is a deliberate tactic to flush them out. I'm
tired of the quoting and the evasiveness

[Mike Sheehy]

Just when we thought it was safe now that Dixie/Gelns were on a ceasefire we now have the Kerry Zionist attacking anyone who doesn't share his love of Israel.
Any chance the Mods could issue a few black cards 

Israel have committed war crimes and have treated the Palestinians abhorrently. The settlements are illegal. The IDF behave like thugs toward Palestinians. Ultra-Orthodox extremists exert an undue influence in Israeli society. I have no problem with sanctions against Israel if that moderates their position. Palestinians have as much of a right to live in Israel as jews. Discrimination against Palestinians is rife amongst Israelies. 

In fact, I will go a step further and make a statement which will surprise you. I wish the state of Israel did not exist. Yup. I actually said that. There is a reason , however, that the state of Israel must exist and if Seafoid ever has the guts to reply and clarify his "Europes Jewish problem" statement then you will see why.

So, that is my position on the state of Israel so now you need to explain how I am a zionist Rossfan.

Come on, lets be havin' you.....

[HiMucker]

Could someone please post the caption of Mickey Jackson eating the popcorn! 

[give her dixie]

Mike, it is really sad that you and Glens have resorted to scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to satisfy both your in depth hatred towards me. What have I done on you or Glens that has warranted such a sustained attack on my character? To be honest, I expected nothing less from you, but to have an official Sinn Fein representative resort to lying about me and trying at every opportunity to tar me with a broad brush with ties to Anthony McIntyre, Priory Hall, the death of a resident, and the death of Ronan Kerr is beyond pathetic.

You went one better and tied me to Hitler, the Nazi's and holocaust denial. How can grown men resort to such childish behavior? Do you both get a kick out of attacking someones character by concocting untrue stories?

Given that we have now seen that it is official Sinn Fein policy to call everyone a tout in relation to the Boston Tapes, and then to throw the net out and tar anyone else they can think of that might have some remote connection to those involved is beyond pathetic. It's the work of immature people, not that of a party wishing people to take serious and put into Government to run the country.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to be ruled by a group of bully boys or thugs who have no problem sinking to any low in order to discredit someone who has a different view point from them. They are acting like a cult, not a democratic political party.  Sometimes it hard to tell the difference between here and North Korea.

Currently on this forum, across social media, and on many walls around West Belfast are claims of tout this and tout that. To the best of my knowledge, not one of these posters have had the courage or conviction to go onto Anthony McIntyres blog and pose those claims to him personally. It takes a coward to hide behind a computer and make false claims about someone. Anyone with an ounce of conviction would ask Anthony direct.

Mike, you missed the point of my argument with Glens. Proving that he was a liar was easy as he claimed I posted articles by Anthony McIntyre. I proved I didn't. However, that as I say was part of the issue. My main gripe was centered on how he tried to link me to Priory Hall, Ronan Kerr, the Boston Tapes, and the wild and dangerous claims that he made about my family. Given that I am publicy known on the forum and many posters personally know me and my family, he had no right or evidence to say what he said. This is what he said Mike in relation to my post on Sinn Fein fiddling expenses:

Sinn Fein arn't behind the door when it comes to renting at "highly inflated" prices:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html

You keep an eye on the brother in laws with the money down your part of the world Dixie.

Another occasion he had this to say:

Once upon a time Sinn Fein stood for peace with justice.

Now they stand for votes........

THis is the kind of manure often associated with this topic. People want peace, and justice, so there is no great conflict between the two objectives.

Can you give us any examples of their quest for Justice?

mcGurks,Ballymurphy,Finucane for a start.Dublin and Monaghan,Loughinisland. How many do you want now tell us what causes the brother in laws are involved in.

These are scandalous claims to make, as I have said, given that I am publicly known, very dangerous claims to make. Claims that are baseless and without any merit. Again, this is an Official Representative of Sinn Fein.

Instead of you ploughing into the conversation with claims to tie me to Hitler and holocaust denial, maybe you could have found this open and frank admission by Anthony McIntyre about his role in Priory Hall and his employment with Tom McFeeley.

http://thepensivequill.am/2011/11/experience.html

Instead of fanning the flames of hatred and spite, you could have posted a comment from the comments section from a former resident who had this to say:

"Anthony,

As a resident (ex-resident!) of Priory Hall, I believe that you genuinely did attempt to resolve the problems which existed in the development.

Unfortunately the full extent of the problems only really came to light afterwards and they had their beginnings during the design and construction stage, of which you played no part.

While you were involved in Priory Hall, I maintained a small hope that things would improve. I had had significant dealings with two of your predecessors and when you came on board (for me your involvement started in The Marine Hotel in Sutton, Co. Dublin late one night) I thought there was a possibility that some level of real progress would be made.

For what it is worth, you always treated me with utmost respect and kept me informed of your progress on the site and the frustrations which you were encountering. I always found you to be approachable and always believed that you would take resident's comments (however helpful or unhelpful they may have been!) on board.

Wishing you and your family well for the future,
Paul."

And when you were at it you could have posted this article by his wife as she looked back on the murder by the IRA of Joe O'Connor in Belfast, and the brutal intimidation they received by the bully boys led by Bobby Storey. Very brave men indeed when in a group of thugs facing a pregnant woman.

http://thepensivequill.am/2013/10/killing-joe-oconnor.html#more

Instead of going onto the Liverpool thread to throw up the immoral decision by Sinn Fein to support Caterpillar, maybe Glens could have wrote a letter to Gerry Adams and asked him why he decided to support them despite the fact that ALL the members of Sinn Fein voted to boycott Caterpillar? And while he was at it, he could also have asked Gerry why Sinn Fein teamed up the TUV, UUP and DUP on Moyle council to scrap the historic twinning agreement with Gaza? After all, he claims to be a supporter of Palestine, and so do his party. They like to make political capital out of the Palestinians any chance they can, but when push comes to shove, they back away as they put their relationship with wealthy and powerful US politicians and capitalists first.

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal to others"

I have shown Glens up to be a liar, and now he is starting to bring Richard O'Rawe into his wild fantasies and link my name to Richard. He is ready to kick Richard up and down the road and claim all sorts of wild things about him. He has already stated as fact that Richards tape is full of lies. How does he know they are lies? Easy. Gerry and Sinn Fein told him. He hasn't an IQ high enough to figure it out for himself.

The continued use of the word tout is disgusting, wether it is in relation to me or others. I am old enough to know what it means, and what it means to people accused of been one. It is a word from a dark time in our history that should have been consigned to the dustbin years ago. Sinn Fein can't string 2 sentences together without saying "Peace Process" 10 times. Yet, here we have an official representative repeating the word and allegations on a repeated basis. He is only repeating what the leadership is repeatedly saying. It is beyond pathetic. It is in fact very dangerous and threatening. And they claim they are fit for Government?

Mary Lou and Gerry made political hay out of supporting the whistle blowers in the Gardi. How do you think they would react if the leader of Fine Gael or Finna Fail were to send out a tweet calling them touts?

Currently in 10 different locations across West Belfast there is graffiti calling people and the Boston project touts. Sinn Fein have yet to say one single word about it other than to encourage it. They were quick to condemn the graffiti in east Belfast against the Polish, and they were tripping over themselves to condemn the banner on Black Mountain calling for "One Ireland, one vote"

As I have previously stated, I have no connection with Anthony McIntyre. However, I will not stand by and watch as Sinn Fein officials and politicians take to the airwaves, internet and walls in an attempt to discredit me or others and use the word tout like its going out of fashion. What sort of person would I be if I just sat in silence and said nothing? Sinn Fein would rather a lot of people sat back and shut up. I am not one of them.

Sinn Fein like to call their opponents "people masquerading a republicans". What we have seen from them on here and elsewhere is that it is they who are masquerading as republicans. Their actions, and that of their official representative on here is not only an insult to me and others, but an insult to humanity. Shame on them for what they are doing, and continuing to do.