How do people in the North see the South ?

[seafoid]

I remember when I worked in  DUblin hearing a colleague say that the North was a separate country and I couldn't get my head around it . At the time the Troubles were in  the news all the time.

[thewobbler]

Some shite on here. The days of Aran jumpers and pints of porter are long gone lads. More boys in the south drinking Heineken and watching Man United.

That sort of sums it up for me and not in a good way.

I'm creeping up on 50 years old. I'd say if I get to life expectancy, I might see a United Ireland.

My kids will definitely see it.

But it'll bring a civil uprising from the PUL community . Maybe even a short civil war. And f**k knows how long if integration processes and bargaining between soft unionists/nationalists and Dublin.

And I'm wondering if it'll be worth the effort. We will all end up under the one flag. But it won't be Ireland we end up with. It won't be the "Aran jumpers and pints of stout" ireland obviously. Not that I want that. But it just won't be any better for anyone. Apart from those who've been smart/greedy enough to jump on the property and interrelated  wealth bandwagon that has come in from the US and Uk.

We will just be England under a different name.

Is it wrong to want something else?

[burdizzo]

No, I think it's good. We'd possibly disagree on exactly WHAT else (I'd have a more nativist approach!) but we do seen stuck in the middle of the Anglosphere - as you say, Britain to one side and the US to the other - sort of trying to pretend we're not there, yet unable to escape it. I always aspired to the nationalist goal of united Ireland, but am now also beginning to think - what's the point?

[bennydorano]

I remember when I worked in  DUblin hearing a colleague say that the North was a separate country and I couldn't get my head around it . At the time the Troubles were in  the news all the time.

Time to trot out the Ian Rush quote. Does it need pointed out it is a different country? Theres more that unites us than divides us (or used to be) but it's always felt that way to me tbh. I don't expect to see a United Ireland, not sure my kids will either, I just don't see where the momentum comes from, genuine discussion about it (by people that matter) is paid lip service, shut down or kicked down the road at every turn. SF imploding in ROI won't help.

[illdecide]

I think the people up North are more hardened and take less sh1t and I mean that from like being told what to do. Covid is a great example. Down south everyone adhered to the Government's rules whereas up North it was no way near as strict and a lot of people just refused to wear masks and stupid stuff like that. I mean that in a way that Northerners are far more likely to rebel against something than Southerners...(this doesn't mean I'm proud of this BTW).
Take the tents around Dublin canal for example...them tents wouldn't last 20 mins up here...again i'm not condoning anything here just stating what would more than likely happen, Northerners have obviously had a tougher upbringing due to the troubles and treated like second class citizens most of their lives and anything they ever achieved they had to work ten times harder for it than down South but things will and are changing as the new generation come along who have not experienced this "get to the back of the bus" sh1t from our neighbours up here. I suppose almost all of the racist attacks seems to come from the Unionist community who are a lot more racist than the nationalist community and these incidents currently on the news are all from the Unionist communities but I suppose they're still Northerners...

[snoopdog]

Being from the northern part of the country but living in the south, I know of a lot of things that are different. Good and bad.
Let's start with the bad in the south. Cost of living and yes we get paid more but not enough more to justify house prices and the massive VRT on cars. A 20k gbp vw Tourag in the North would cost well over 45k euro in the south. Houses prob 3 times difference in most areas.
I live in Dublin so I will speak for that area , people aren't as friendly. And a lot they tend to treat northerners as brits. Some even call the North the UK.(red rag to a bull) 
Bar Dublin city centre, oconnell st area., the south is a much cleaner place. When I'm home I notice the rubbish along country roads as if people still throw it out car windows. That doesn't happen in south.
The roads are better.
Politicians are cringe in south.
Bar staff are rubbish, 1 order at a time.
Rugby love in and the slagging off Gaelic football pisses me off.
I've been called a brit alot of times.
At a gaa match in Wicklow I was once called an orange bastard, im well used to it so i couldnt care less its a lack of education. I find the south ignored the troubles and they don't have a clue what went on or even care. Much like in England.
And a large % don't really want the North back. I'd fear a referendum would fail down here quicker than it would in the 6 counties.
All my opinion you may differ but I see both sides.
Most controversially I find Tandragee Tayto kicks the arse off freestayto. My kids agree and they're all Dubs.
And Guinness in Dublin is sh1t compared to the real Ireland outside the city limits.

[johnnycool]

There's much to admire about the 26 counties, far from perfect as is anywhere, but at least those you elect are the decision makers, that's not the case in the North.

I still think there's a lot more to be done in the South in terms of decentralising the economy away from the Greater Dublin area which is a big part of the housing crisis in that area and that's coming from someone who works for a company whose European offices are in Cork City.

As for the North, we're in the death spiral....
The Stormont assembly is a talking shop and it's structured in such a way any real changes that need to happen to the likes of Education and Health won't happen as it would need cross party support and that'll never happen.
It was set up that way to prevent the biggest tribe from dominating all the decisions as was the way for the majority of the place since it's inception, but in putting in these safeguards substantive change cannot happen.
UK Gov's don't give a shít and why would they. If only one of their leaders would have the balls to come out and say, "look it's almost inevitable that Northern Ireland will be re-integrated back into a single Irish entity" then we can get on with making plans for this place and improve everyone's lives.

[Sportacus]

Being from the northern part of the country but living in the south, I know of a lot of things that are different. Good and bad.
Let's start with the bad in the south. Cost of living and yes we get paid more but not enough more to justify house prices and the massive VRT on cars. A 20k gbp vw Tourag in the North would cost well over 45k euro in the south. Houses prob 3 times difference in most areas.
I live in Dublin so I will speak for that area , people aren't as friendly. And a lot they tend to treat northerners as brits. Some even call the North the UK.(red rag to a bull) 
Bar Dublin city centre, oconnell st area., the south is a much cleaner place. When I'm home I notice the rubbish along country roads as if people still throw it out car windows. That doesn't happen in south.
The roads are better.
Politicians are cringe in south.
Bar staff are rubbish, 1 order at a time.
Rugby love in and the slagging off Gaelic football pisses me off.
I've been called a brit alot of times.
At a gaa match in Wicklow I was once called an orange bastard, im well used to it so i couldnt care less its a lack of education. I find the south ignored the troubles and they don't have a clue what went on or even care. Much like in England.
And a large % don't really want the North back. I'd fear a referendum would fail down here quicker than it would in the 6 counties.
All my opinion you may differ but I see both sides.
Most controversially I find Tandragee Tayto kicks the arse off freestayto. My kids agree and they're all Dubs.
And Guinness in Dublin is sh1t compared to the real Ireland outside the city limits.

They do. Pricks.

[armaghniac]

I think the people up North are more hardened and take less sh1t and I mean that from like being told what to do. Covid is a great example. Down south everyone adhered to the Government's rules whereas up North it was no way near as strict and a lot of people just refused to wear masks and stupid stuff like that. I mean that in a way that Northerners are far more likely to rebel against something than Southerners...(this doesn't mean I'm proud of this BTW).

And of course all this individuality meant that more people died of Covid.

Most controversially I find Tandragee Tayto kicks the arse off freestayto. My kids agree and they're all Dubs.

Armagh > Meath.

[armaghniac]

That's it.. I know a number of people didn't heed that 'Covid nonsense' who are in the boneyard now... others who did who alas also died through Covid. Think id rather be the lily lívered still walking this earth after heeding medical experts and not social media conspiracy theorists.

The point is not that ignoring the advice will kill you, that is your business, although other members of your family might not agree. However, the problem with spreading Covid was that it could kill someone else that you don't know and whose life you are not entitled to make a decision about.

[illdecide]

I didn't want to start a debate about Covid as I know it would be controversial I just wanted to state that people up North didn't and mostly don't do what they're told and will regularly break the rules a lot more than our Southern brothers. I was using Covid as an example...not if i agreed with it or not.

[Hereiam]

I think alot more of us up in the north are now looking at the south and seeing what the benefits of being in the EU are really like. The British will only fund this place to the bear minimum as there are no real returns to be gained. Casement park will be a good example of this, just watch how the politics play out on this one.

Take for example the farming industry, in the south they have well funded grant schemes running where as up here there are a 1 or 2  schemes running but the amount of red tape just doesn't make them worth while.

The sooner we get away from they claws of the British the better, its only then can this place flourish.

[Truthsayer]

I didn't want to start a debate about Covid as I know it would be controversial I just wanted to state that people up North didn't and mostly don't do what they're told and will regularly break the rules a lot more than our Southern brothers. I was using Covid as an example...not if i agreed with it or not.

You did say "wear masks and stupid stuff like that" ... anyway we'll move on and agree to disagree...

[illdecide]

I didn't want to start a debate about Covid as I know it would be controversial I just wanted to state that people up North didn't and mostly don't do what they're told and will regularly break the rules a lot more than our Southern brothers. I was using Covid as an example...not if i agreed with it or not.

You did say "wear masks and stupid stuff like that" ... anyway we'll move on and agree to disagree...

Fair enough...didn't realise i'd typed that...sorry.

[Truthsayer]

I didn't want to start a debate about Covid as I know it would be controversial I just wanted to state that people up North didn't and mostly don't do what they're told and will regularly break the rules a lot more than our Southern brothers. I was using Covid as an example...not if i agreed with it or not.

You did say "wear masks and stupid stuff like that" ... anyway we'll move on and agree to disagree...

Fair enough...didn't realise i'd typed that...sorry.

Don't need to apologise to me. We'll soldier on : )