9/11 What really happened to WT7?

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Eamonnca1

Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:08:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:26 PMQuoth Wikipedia:

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[30]: 18 (PDF p. 22)  and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[2]: 16, 18  The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between floors 24 and 41.[2]: 17  The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps instead of being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser, and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water.[31]: 11  Additionally, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[32]: 23–30 

After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[33] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[34] During the afternoon, the fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[30]: 24 (PDF p. 28)  In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[3] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[35] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[36] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[37]

The fire expanded the girders of the building, causing some to collapse. This led to the northeast corner core column (Column 79), which was especially large, to buckle below the 13th floor. This caused the floors above it to collapse to the transfer floor at the fifth level. The structure also developed cracks in the facade just before the entire building started to fall.[2]: 21 [38] According to FEMA, this collapse started at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling.[1]: 23 [39] Differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed:[39] at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA,[1]: 23  and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[2]: 19, 21, 50–51 

There were no casualties associated with the collapse.[38] NIST found no evidence to support conspiracy theories such as the collapse being the result of explosives; it found that a combination of factors including physical damage, fire, and the building's unusual construction set off a chain-reaction collapse.[40][41]

Wikipedia lol, what a joke. The defence will have you and whoever wrote that bs as their main witnesses lol.  What about watching the hours and hours of irrefutable evidence indicating that the official fairy tale is just that, a fairy tale. The irrefutable evidence brought to you by Richard Gage and his team of experts along with eye witness accounts.  It will only take a few pieces of evidence to get you questioning the big lie unless there is a vacuum between the ears. The common denominator of non critical thinkers is a fear of the truth, therefore I understand that you have no intentions of watching.


Here are the sources cited in that excerpt:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070809030232/http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05125.pdf

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF

https://www.amazon.com/WTC-9-11-01-Day-Of-Disaster/dp/B004S8MGFM

https://web.archive.org/web/20070703101259/http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/el/disasterstudies/ncst/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/deputy-chief-peter-hayden

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/captain-chris-boyle

https://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Nigro_Daniel.txt

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

https://archive.org/details/cbs200109111651-1733

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

https://www.bbc.com/news/58469600

But I suppose they're all in on it, aren't they?

bennydorano

Can I have a one sentence summary of what this alternate theory is plz.  I'm exhausted with nonsense

HiMucker

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2024, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:23:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:28:28 PMWT7 collapsed, because guess  what, they hadn't decided to drop half a building on it, and have internal fire rage through it, to test if it take such damage. Just like a bad fire at Grenfell highlighted a material deficient. Never understood why rainscreen cladding hadn't External fire breaks outside floor levels anyway

So half a building falling on World Trade Center 7 was the main cause of the collapse, a 10 second collapse into its own footprint. I presume you are talking about one of WTC 1 or 2 being the instigator. That is 55 floors falling on top of WTC 7, have you video evidence of this? The official lie didn't even come up with that one.

What is the Why in your theory?
This should be good

Eamonnca1

Quote from: bennydorano on September 11, 2024, 08:03:25 PMCan I have a one sentence summary of what this alternate theory is plz.  I'm exhausted with nonsense

The Illuminati spent a month painstakingly filling the building with Semtex without any office staff noticing, also including pyrotechnics to start fires as a false flag (without setting off the explosives, somehow), then waited until 9/11 when they hit the detonator and flattened the building, because reasons.

Maybe it was an insurance job or something.

Eamonnca1

Some great stuff out there from the tinfoil hat crowd. I once saw a photo of one of the hijacked planes annotated with a big arrow pointing to the wing root, the part of the wing's structure that gets thickest where it meets the fuselage. The annotation read "The missile pod."

Apparently someone had somehow managed to retrofit a commercial airliner to carry a missile inside the wing, and fire it at the building before flying off.

I don't follow that stuff too closely, the algorithms these days can lead you down some dark places where all sorts of weirdos come together.

AustinPowers

#260
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 11, 2024, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 11, 2024, 08:03:25 PMCan I have a one sentence summary of what this alternate theory is plz.  I'm exhausted with nonsense

The Illuminati spent a month painstakingly filling the building with Semtex without any office staff noticing, also including pyrotechnics to start fires as a false flag (without setting off the explosives, somehow), then waited until 9/11 when they hit the detonator and flattened the building, because reasons.

Maybe it was an insurance job or something.

Have you never seen Being John Malkovich?  They obviously  got a squad of really short people to wire  up the secret  half floors.  All sorts of weird stuff happend in there so nobody would have  noticed anything

theskull1

Amazing how blinkered people allow themselves to be.

Every western country is being lead by those who are lovers of Israel.
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

bennydorano

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 11, 2024, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 11, 2024, 08:03:25 PMCan I have a one sentence summary of what this alternate theory is plz.  I'm exhausted with nonsense

The Illuminati spent a month painstakingly filling the building with Semtex without any office staff noticing, also including pyrotechnics to start fires as a false flag (without setting off the explosives, somehow), then waited until 9/11 when they hit the detonator and flattened the building, because reasons.

Maybe it was an insurance job or something.
Cheers Eamonn. Being a conspiracy theorist must be exhausting with the non stop investigations / constant learning required to be a multi-field expert

RedHand88

#263
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 11, 2024, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 11, 2024, 08:03:25 PMCan I have a one sentence summary of what this alternate theory is plz.  I'm exhausted with nonsense

The Illuminati spent a month painstakingly filling the building with Semtex without any office staff noticing, also including pyrotechnics to start fires as a false flag (without setting off the explosives, somehow), then waited until 9/11 when they hit the detonator and flattened the building, because reasons.

Maybe it was an insurance job or something.

Don't forget flying decoy planes by remote control (in 2001) into a building. Or projecting a hologram of a plane crashing, depending on who you talk to. And planting parts of the passengers belongings amongst the tower rubble.

It's like the moon landings. When you look at the conspiracy theories they are much more unlikely than what actually happened.

Milltown Row2

No doubt in life there are cover ups, lies told, money to be made and  power to be gained from it, but seriously, the biggest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbour was done by people with their government?

And no one in all this time has spilt the beans on it? Come on
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Milltown Row2

Watching a cover up story on Netflix now.. Apollo 13: Survival
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Seamus

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2024, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:23:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:28:28 PMWT7 collapsed, because guess  what, they hadn't decided to drop half a building on it, and have internal fire rage through it, to test if it take such damage. Just like a bad fire at Grenfell highlighted a material deficient. Never understood why rainscreen cladding hadn't External fire breaks outside floor levels anyway

So half a building falling on World Trade Center 7 was the main cause of the collapse, a 10 second collapse into its own footprint. I presume you are talking about one of WTC 1 or 2 being the instigator. That is 55 floors falling on top of WTC 7, have you video evidence of this? The official lie didn't even come up with that one.

What is the Why in your theory?

You didn't witness it in the immediate and long term aftermath? You must have slept through all that also. No Patriot Act written beforehand and ready to be unveiled, no massive loss of freedoms, no Homeland Insecurity no wars etc, etc, etc?
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Seamus

#267
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 11, 2024, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:08:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:26 PMQuoth Wikipedia:

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[30]: 18 (PDF p. 22)  and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[2]: 16, 18  The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between floors 24 and 41.[2]: 17  The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps instead of being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser, and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water.[31]: 11  Additionally, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[32]: 23–30 

After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[33] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[34] During the afternoon, the fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[30]: 24 (PDF p. 28)  In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[3] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[35] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[36] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[37]

The fire expanded the girders of the building, causing some to collapse. This led to the northeast corner core column (Column 79), which was especially large, to buckle below the 13th floor. This caused the floors above it to collapse to the transfer floor at the fifth level. The structure also developed cracks in the facade just before the entire building started to fall.[2]: 21 [38] According to FEMA, this collapse started at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling.[1]: 23 [39] Differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed:[39] at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA,[1]: 23  and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[2]: 19, 21, 50–51 

There were no casualties associated with the collapse.[38] NIST found no evidence to support conspiracy theories such as the collapse being the result of explosives; it found that a combination of factors including physical damage, fire, and the building's unusual construction set off a chain-reaction collapse.[40][41]

Wikipedia lol, what a joke. The defence will have you and whoever wrote that bs as their main witnesses lol.  What about watching the hours and hours of irrefutable evidence indicating that the official fairy tale is just that, a fairy tale. The irrefutable evidence brought to you by Richard Gage and his team of experts along with eye witness accounts.  It will only take a few pieces of evidence to get you questioning the big lie unless there is a vacuum between the ears. The common denominator of non critical thinkers is a fear of the truth, therefore I understand that you have no intentions of watching.


Here are the sources cited in that excerpt:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070809030232/http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05125.pdf

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF

https://www.amazon.com/WTC-9-11-01-Day-Of-Disaster/dp/B004S8MGFM

https://web.archive.org/web/20070703101259/http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/el/disasterstudies/ncst/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/deputy-chief-peter-hayden

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/captain-chris-boyle

https://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Nigro_Daniel.txt

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

https://archive.org/details/cbs200109111651-1733

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

https://www.bbc.com/news/58469600

But I suppose they're all in on it, aren't they?


Now I know where you are getting your very large dose of propaganda, CBS, BBC, NY Times, Amazon and the like. NIST and Popular Mechanics are well and truly debunked with a long time. Do you know anything about construction? By the way, your firefighter links don't work any longer. Plenty of firefighter eye witness evidence in the film,  go watch it.  Met several NY firefighters who were there that day, none believe the big lie.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Seamus

#268
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:23:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:28:28 PMWT7 collapsed, because guess  what, they hadn't decided to drop half a building on it, and have internal fire rage through it, to test if it take such damage. Just like a bad fire at Grenfell highlighted a material deficient. Never understood why rainscreen cladding hadn't External fire breaks outside floor levels anyway

So half a building falling on World Trade Center 7 was the main cause of the collapse, a 10 second collapse into its own footprint. I presume you are talking about one of WTC 1 or 2 being the instigator. That is 55 floors falling on top of WTC 7, have you video evidence of this? The official lie didn't even come up with that one.

It didn't collapse onto its own footprint. Debris was spread across a wide area. The surrounding buildings all took damage, some more than others. Building 7 was damaged enough to cause a structural failure.

Go get a hobby.

Normal protective measures could not be used as with regular controlled demolitions. Have you ever witnessed a controlled demolition of a high rise building take place? Also nanotechnology was in play (my opinion Ripple Technology, not the crypto), this explains the tons of steel flying through air and tons of concrete pulverized. Massive steel beams turned to molten lasting for months. I can speak of the steel structure and the 4 inch thickness of fireproofing surrounding each beam and gilder along with the rebar reinforced tons of concrete in WTC 7. I was a first hand witness as I worked in the construction of the building from early September 1985 to the topping off in early 1987. I was one of the first people on site after the completion of the foundation. Out of curiosity I tested the fireproofing with an oxygen acetylene torch which I'm very adept at. Barely a spark bounced off. When WTC 7 came down in 10 or so seconds I instantly know that America was attacked from within.  NIST's final conclusion was that WTC 7 collapsed due to fires, what a load of crap.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Seamus on September 13, 2024, 04:48:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2024, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 11, 2024, 03:23:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:28:28 PMWT7 collapsed, because guess  what, they hadn't decided to drop half a building on it, and have internal fire rage through it, to test if it take such damage. Just like a bad fire at Grenfell highlighted a material deficient. Never understood why rainscreen cladding hadn't External fire breaks outside floor levels anyway

So half a building falling on World Trade Center 7 was the main cause of the collapse, a 10 second collapse into its own footprint. I presume you are talking about one of WTC 1 or 2 being the instigator. That is 55 floors falling on top of WTC 7, have you video evidence of this? The official lie didn't even come up with that one.

What is the Why in your theory?

You didn't witness it in the immediate and long term aftermath? You must have slept through all that also. No Patriot Act written beforehand and ready to be unveiled, no massive loss of freedoms, no Homeland Insecurity no wars etc, etc, etc?

If you've nothing to hide what's the problem? What freedom have you lost?

And to get that they wiped out 3000 people?

Ok

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea