Brexit.

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screenexile

Quote from: Main Street on October 18, 2019, 12:57:55 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 17, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.
This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

I think you're forgetting the "great work" Martina Anderson has done for Sinn Fein in Brussels!!!

johnnycool

Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 18, 2019, 12:57:55 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 17, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.
This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

I think you're forgetting the "great work" Martina Anderson has done for Sinn Fein in Brussels!!!

John Campbell of BBC NI, I think he's their Brexit Business expert said as much last night even if you are being sarcastic  ;D

Sinn Fein had a big say in the EU's Brexit steering committee as can be seen how the democratic mandate requested by the DUP/UK for the people of Northern Ireland was changed from what in reality was a DUP Veto to a simple majority in Stormont and far from a DUP veto.

t_mac

Quote from: Rossfan on October 18, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
The SNP hold nearly 70% of Scotland's Westminster seats.
Their Country voted 62/38 to remain.
How good a deal did they get from taking their seats?

They have and can influence whether the deal is passed, we all know Brexit is an English issue, and more importantly a Tory issue, they don't care about NI, Scotland or to a lesser extent Wales, this is all a power grab, a go down in history exercise, no matter what happens on Saturday what is clear is now the Tories will wipe the floor with Labour at the next election and this deal or no deal will pass. I was always hoping a second referendum would come down the line, that is now dead in the water, Corybn has always been a Eurosceptic.

Keyser soze

John Campbell is an excellent commentator, always gets the kernel of the issue at hand.

Taylor

It is 8/11 for the vote to pass tomorrow in HOC.

Surprised it is favourite considering the outcry about how shite it was yesterday.

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Sinn Féin are an irrelevance. Banging bin lids at the border, james mc clean shirts at Brussels, school boy politicians. Don't see myself as either a FF or FGer but my God the difference in standard of politician south of the border is stark. We have a pile of sub standard politicians up here who are only there because the Brits pushed them to where they are.

Angelo

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 18, 2019, 10:27:30 AM
Sinn Féin are an irrelevance. Banging bin lids at the border, james mc clean shirts at Brussels, school boy politicians. Don't see myself as either a FF or FGer but my God the difference in standard of politician south of the border is stark. We have a pile of sub standard politicians up here who are only there because the Brits pushed them to where they are.

You sure about that? They seem to have made a right balls of running it down there over the past 30 years. Their health service is deplorable, huge wealth inequality and a homeless crisis and that's without having to deal in a state where you have complications like legacies of the troubles, power sharing and DUP neanderthals.
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Orior

Mo money is now on BJ's plan being rejected by the english parliament, BJ asks for an extension, BJ calls an election, post election BJ enters a pact with Farage. BJ and Farage leave with no deal.
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I don't think this is a good deal. I'm worried about barriers East West. Declarations, tarrifs, trusted trader schemes paperwork etc. I appreciate that it does avoid a hard border which is key but a NI only backstop would be a better solution. This deal I feel isolates NI from GB and the EU. It could be the worst of both worlds.

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Quote from: omaghjoe on October 18, 2019, 05:09:59 AM
What sylvia hermon gonna do? Seems like a decent deal for NI

I interpret it as a significant step backward from the deal proposed ~2 years back. [when May thought she had a deal and the DUP scuppered it over the weekend after consulting the OO and UDA]

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93-DY-SAM

Genuine question here. Why do Unionists feel such a bond to the rest of the UK when they must know the reality is that majority of the UK don't want NI. Hanging around like a bad smell chasing after the girl that doesn't want them.

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 18, 2019, 10:27:30 AM
Sinn Féin are an irrelevance. Banging bin lids at the border, james mc clean shirts at Brussels, school boy politicians. Don't see myself as either a FF or FGer but my God the difference in standard of politician south of the border is stark. We have a pile of sub standard politicians up here who are only there because the Brits pushed them to where they are.

You sure about that? They seem to have made a right balls of running it down there over the past 30 years. Their health service is deplorable, huge wealth inequality and a homeless crisis and that's without having to deal in a state where you have complications like legacies of the troubles, power sharing and DUP neanderthals.

They have an economy. Fullstop. The north has very very little outside public services. The 2 parts of the island have diverged at rate of noughts over last 30 years.

Franko

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 18, 2019, 10:27:30 AM
Sinn Féin are an irrelevance. Banging bin lids at the border, james mc clean shirts at Brussels, school boy politicians. Don't see myself as either a FF or FGer but my God the difference in standard of politician south of the border is stark. We have a pile of sub standard politicians up here who are only there because the Brits pushed them to where they are.

We have plenty of terrible politicians no doubt - but to hold up the 26 as being any better is total horse shit.

Then look across the pond.
If Brexit has done anything it has exposed for the world to see, the lack of brains and talent within the British political class.

And then try looking across the other pond...  ;D

drillsergeant

Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
It is 8/11 for the vote to pass tomorrow in HOC.

Surprised it is favourite considering the outcry about how shite it was yesterday.

Over the past 24 hours I've noticed a swing towards this deal. Most of the 'British' national newspapers covering the story seem to be in favour of this deal, however one of the newspapers I think it was The Times(correct me if am wrong) states 65% of leave and remain voters want there MPS to support this Deal. I did say last night that I could see Boris edging this, I can see most Labour MPS for Leave constituencies backing this because they face being destroyed in a general election. Someone did say how 'Lady' Hermon will vote on this? I actually see her voting for this deal, it's not the worse of deals for the north of Ireland.

five points

Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
You sure about that? They seem to have made a right balls of running it down there over the past 30 years. Their health service is deplorable, huge wealth inequality and a homeless crisis and that's without having to deal in a state where you have complications like legacies of the troubles, power sharing and DUP neanderthals.

Our health service is actually excellent in terms of actual care. Although there are serious problem with waiting lists and costs, to label the entire service as deplorable is laughable.