Sean Brady Steps Down

[ONeill]

like a lot of the OT the stories are metaphorical but I do believe in the immaculate conception

Sorry for harping back to this Tony. But why do you believe in the Immaculate Conception? Why this?

[Eamonnca1]

like a lot of the OT the stories are metaphorical but I do believe in the immaculate conception

Sorry for harping back to this Tony. But why do you believe in the Immaculate Conception? Why this?

He probably finds it easier to believe that the laws of physics and all biological processes were suspended for a minute, rather than some Palestinian girl concocting a story and sticking to it.

[T Fearon]

Why is the immaculate conception not believable ? Surely it is just as credible as Lazarus,the feeding of the five thousand, the water into wine and the resurrection itself?

[muppet]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

[orangeman]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

Never ever going to get close to that.

I think the hierarchy reckon that they have weathered the storm and they're out the other end, not unscathed but in right shape.

[muppet]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

Never ever going to get close to that.

I think the hierarchy reckon that they have weathered the storm and they're out the other end, not unscathed but in right shape.

AFAIK there hasn't even been an investigation into Kilmore diocese. Brendan Smyth's old haunt.

The Church hierarchy resisted all investigations. Ferns, Dublin & Cloyne were foisted upon them by the state. We need closure, not cover-ups.

[orangeman]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

Never ever going to get close to that.

I think the hierarchy reckon that they have weathered the storm and they're out the other end, not unscathed but in right shape.

AFAIK there hasn't even been an investigation into Kilmore diocese. Brendan Smyth's old haunt.

The Church hierarchy resisted all investigations. Ferns, Dublin & Cloyne were foisted upon them by the state. We need closure, not cover-ups.

Which is why a full scale investigation won't happen.  It hasn't happened up until 2014 and it won't happen now. £50m has been paid out. The storm has been weathered and the doors are still open.

[muppet]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

Never ever going to get close to that.

I think the hierarchy reckon that they have weathered the storm and they're out the other end, not unscathed but in right shape.

AFAIK there hasn't even been an investigation into Kilmore diocese. Brendan Smyth's old haunt.

The Church hierarchy resisted all investigations. Ferns, Dublin & Cloyne were foisted upon them by the state. We need closure, not cover-ups.

Which is why a full scale investigation won't happen.  It hasn't happened up until 2014 and it won't happen now. £50m has been paid out. The storm has been weathered and the doors are still open.

Cloyne was published as recently as 2011. Another scandal could easily tip the balance of public opinion to outrage again.

[orangeman]

Seriously what's naive about it?
Full disclosure will never happen.
The guilty will be dead. No one will ever fully know- the evidence is not document based.

Nothing can or will be done about the past.

Just to take measures it never happens again- or if an inkling of such occurrences appear, they are dealt with swiftly and accurately ( due to new legs land church policies and procedures).

Yours and others sentiments are correct and admirable muppets, but you are focussing on what is past and cannot be resurrected
Move on! You'll drive yourself mad otherwise

The Vatican holds countless documents on abuse in many countries, and refuses the hand them over. Sean Brady only released the Smyth documents, as they pertained to him (who knows how many there are in total?) in 2010, so there may be many documents still held in Ireland. We need a full investigation into all of the parishes.

Never ever going to get close to that.

I think the hierarchy reckon that they have weathered the storm and they're out the other end, not unscathed but in right shape.

AFAIK there hasn't even been an investigation into Kilmore diocese. Brendan Smyth's old haunt.

The Church hierarchy resisted all investigations. Ferns, Dublin & Cloyne were foisted upon them by the state. We need closure, not cover-ups.

Which is why a full scale investigation won't happen.  It hasn't happened up until 2014 and it won't happen now. £50m has been paid out. The storm has been weathered and the doors are still open.

Cloyne was published as recently as 2011. Another scandal could easily tip the balance of public opinion to outrage again.

Nothing shocks the public anymore and the church know that so even if another scandal or three emerges, they will plough on, keep the head down and ride the storm. This tactic has worked relatively well so far - pay off whoever needs a few quid and move on.

[lynchbhoy]

Muppet - you , or anyone knows what info or documentation exists both in Ireland and at the Vatican.
Chances are any was destroyed. Chances are Brady could have reported up the line and whoever it was that wanted to hush things up , had everything or most things destroyed.

You are applying your own logic to illogical people and their actions.

I'd agree, the church will want this talk to end as if it keeps running on, it will keep casting a dark shadow. People will be paid. The shame will be buried with the perpetrators and the victims anguish will follow them to the grave.

The laws have been changed and the pope has/is overseeing radical changes in the church to ensure this never happens again. 

[Main Street]

Hypothesis is absolutely a part of science. It is where science begins.

http://www.livescience.com/21490-what-is-a-scientific-hypothesis-definition-of-hypothesis.html

As i wrote, it is not science, it is a starting point (of science).
from your link
"A scientific hypothesis is the initial building block in the scientific method. Many describe it as an "educated guess,"
There is no way that an educated guess is science.

The new atheists are claiming they have the finished scientific product. You get the difference?

'the initial building bock'?

QED

I said it was a part of science, not the finished product  -- which is called science.
Got it ??
The difference between an educated guess and carrying that guess on a long process to the final part where it becomes proven beyond all doubt.
New atheism is not science.  It claims to be science, it does not claim to be a hypothesis.

[Maguire01]

Why is the immaculate conception not believable ? Surely it is just as credible as Lazarus,the feeding of the five thousand, the water into wine and the resurrection itself?

It is indeed every bit as credible as just as credible as Lazarus,the feeding of the five thousand, the water into wine and the resurrection itself.

[muppet]

Muppet - you , or anyone knows what info or documentation exists both in Ireland and at the Vatican.
Chances are any was destroyed. Chances are Brady could have reported up the line and whoever it was that wanted to hush things up , had everything or most things destroyed.

You are applying your own logic to illogical people and their actions.

I'd agree, the church will want this talk to end as if it keeps running on, it will keep casting a dark shadow. People will be paid. The shame will be buried with the perpetrators and the victims anguish will follow them to the grave.

The laws have been changed and the pope has/is overseeing radical changes in the church to ensure this never happens again.

Brady released documents from 1975 in 2010. He had refused for 13 years to release them but finally relented. He had decades to destroy the documents but didn't. If they destroyed documents, and it could be proved, that would probably be a crime in itself.

Either way, I see no reason why there shouldn't be a proper investigation into abuse in Kilmore Diocese, in particular, and probably most of the other Dioceses.

[muppet]

I hadn't heard about this before: http://bocktherobber.com/2010/08/priest-shafted-for-standing-up-to-child-abuse

I honestly don't know how accurate it is.

[T Fearon]

You can tell by the style and tone that this writer is totally objective with no axe to grind whatsoever: