A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[seafoid]

When the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

Whether you are in favour of United Ireland or not it would be ridiculous to deny that it is likely to happen by 2050.

Too many double negatives in that statement. Is 2050 still ridiculously early? I would have thought the fact that even the SDLP are now looking at 2030 for a poll should tell you how things are changing.

Brexit was the worst decision the DUP could have made.

[weareros]

Brexit has put a United Ireland on agenda for so many reasons. In addition to the dysfunction caused, it means a vote for a UI is also a vote to get back into EU and that will sway voters, especially the more Brexit Britain falters. It's also forced Dublin's hand. There's an always the risk of Brexit Britain going the way of US and Australia and allowing for example hormone growth promoters in cattle. Indeed US and Canada are pushing UK to permit this. Now I know there's the odd Irish farmer who was caught using angel dust, but it's illegal in EU and with Brexit there's always the risk of that getting into supply chain via North. The port checks are protecting Irish farming right now but there's a risk that will keep  Dublin anxious, and the EU as we know expect the single market to be protected. Would really hurt economy if there were questions about quality of beef exports and the gentleman farmers reading their FJ by a nice turf fire would start to get very concerned. Now I know it should be about the people first and doing right about our people left behind, but that's the type of thing that really lights a fire under a Blueshirts arse.

[Main Street]

When the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

But now Sinn Féin are in the saddle riding the high horse. FG's negative campaigning only seems to strengthen Sinn Féin, why not put a bit of green out there?

I wouldn't be surprised to to see that banner at FF's ard fheis 'Fianna Fáil the republican party' where the republican party bit is more emboldened and with a higher font size.

[LC]

Re the shinners all well and good standing at the side line slabbering all the time in terms of what they would do if they were on the pitch.

However it is now inevitable that SF will be in charge in the not too distant future but to keep the football analogies going they are strong down the middle in terms of Mary Lou, Pearse D and your woman that ripped your man out of RTE a new one the time of the PAC post Ryan T saga but they are carrying far too many passengers.  Their bench is too weak and regarding their cohorts in the north they would be the equivalent of your junior B players.....at best.

[NAG1]

Re the shinners all well and good standing at the side line slabbering all the time in terms of what they would do if they were on the pitch.

However it is now inevitable that SF will be in charge in the not too distant future but to keep the football analogies going they are strong down the middle in terms of Mary Lou, Pearse D and your woman that ripped your man out of RTE a new one the time of the PAC post Ryan T saga but they are carrying far too many passengers.  Their bench is too weak and regarding their cohorts in the north they would be the equivalent of your junior B players.....at best.

Any weaker than those that have gone before them? 

[johnnycool]

Change the mindset, I've lived in Ireland all my life. The borders have always been someone else's.

How much different will your life be? When it happens, brilliant, but if you are in your 40's/50's now, that Ireland you are searching for will be entirely different.

The border is now very real in terms of investment, job opportunities for kids, health and education.

We're at the mercy of the most right wing, gaslighting Tory government since Thatcher who openly don't give a flying fúck about this place and are happy that we've got the DUP to fúck us over evermore.
The damage they've done will take a generation to correct.

[Milltown Row2]

Change the mindset, I've lived in Ireland all my life. The borders have always been someone else's.

How much different will your life be? When it happens, brilliant, but if you are in your 40's/50's now, that Ireland you are searching for will be entirely different.

The border is now very real in terms of investment, job opportunities for kids, health and education.

We're at the mercy of the most right wing, gaslighting Tory government since Thatcher who openly don't give a flying fúck about this place and are happy that we've got the DUP to fúck us over evermore.
The damage they've done will take a generation to correct.

And the government in Dublin are doing a great job?

[armaghniac]

Change the mindset, I've lived in Ireland all my life. The borders have always been someone else's.

How much different will your life be? When it happens, brilliant, but if you are in your 40's/50's now, that Ireland you are searching for will be entirely different.

The border is now very real in terms of investment, job opportunities for kids, health and education.

We're at the mercy of the most right wing, gaslighting Tory government since Thatcher who openly don't give a flying fúck about this place and are happy that we've got the DUP to fúck us over evermore.
The damage they've done will take a generation to correct.

And the government in Dublin are doing a great job?

The Dublin government is middling, there is room for improvement but they will not be noted in history in the way that the present London government will be.

[Milltown Row2]

Change the mindset, I've lived in Ireland all my life. The borders have always been someone else's.

How much different will your life be? When it happens, brilliant, but if you are in your 40's/50's now, that Ireland you are searching for will be entirely different.

The border is now very real in terms of investment, job opportunities for kids, health and education.

We're at the mercy of the most right wing, gaslighting Tory government since Thatcher who openly don't give a flying fúck about this place and are happy that we've got the DUP to fúck us over evermore.
The damage they've done will take a generation to correct.

And the government in Dublin are doing a great job?

The Dublin government is middling, there is room for improvement but they will not be noted in history in the way that the present London government will be.

Yep, all Tory governments have been self serving Cnuts..

My point is, I'm Irish the physical border won't change that.

Was there ever an effort by the Irish governments to unite Ireland really?

Also was there ever a view at the time of partition, that all nationalist/republicans would collectively leave the north after it became clear that they were being shafted by both sides?

[weareros]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

[johnnycool]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

Dev was entirely right, Churchill was a cúnt in a long line of cúnts.

[LeoMc]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

Dev was entirely right, Churchill was a cúnt in a long line of cúnts.

Was he? Look at the number of dominions that gained independence after being Co-opted to fight in WW2.

[johnnycool]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

Dev was entirely right, Churchill was a cúnt in a long line of cúnts.

Was he? Look at the number of dominions that gained independence after being Co-opted to fight in WW2.

How many of them were less than 50 miles off the GB coastline in a time of a still uncertain Europe?

[Armagh18]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

Dev was entirely right, Churchill was a cúnt in a long line of cúnts.

Was he? Look at the number of dominions that gained independence after being Co-opted to fight in WW2.

How many of them were less than 50 miles off the GB coastline in a time of a still uncertain Europe?

Not to mention there were plenty from the north who fought with the Brits in WW2 who mightnt have been too happy at that

[LeoMc]

First thing that happened after NI opted out of Free State (technically all island was independent for a second), was the boundary commission. Cormac Moore had a good article in Irish News a while back on how the Free State Government, in particular two ministers from North, made a hames of that.

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2023/07/25/news/cormac_moore_was_eoin_macneill_to_blame_for_boundary_commission_s_disastrous_outcome_-3464293/

Supposedly Churchhill offered a UI in return from Dev's help in World War II. Dev didn't trust him and maintained neutrality. It might have been the best chance lost.

Dev was entirely right, Churchill was a cúnt in a long line of cúnts.

Was he? Look at the number of dominions that gained independence after being Co-opted to fight in WW2.

How many of them were less than 50 miles off the GB coastline in a time of a still uncertain Europe?

Not to mention there were plenty from the north who fought with the Brits in WW2 who mightnt have been too happy at that

In 1945 Churchill was gone, Britain was bankrupt, Labour were pro-decolonisation and the US was looking right wing Nations to stand against Communism.
However, during WW2 reunification was not in Churchills power to grant. They could not force the North against the will of its majority.