A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

Started by winghalfback, May 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM

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seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on September 11, 2023, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 11, 2023, 11:29:01 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2023, 01:36:42 PM
Also remaining is the Unionist mindset  that most Catholics live on benefits which are much lower in the 26.

Is that a unionist mindset?
Because I personally feel that there would be more unionist/loyalists living on benefits. Catholics in the 6 I believe have a much better level of education than their protestant counterparts. I've no evidence, just my perception.
Free school meals is probably not the right metric. Income isn't either. Income levels in Wexford are higher than in Mayo but Mayo has better educational outcomes. Education is a future. Not all families get this. 

It used to be, no doubt, not entirely sure that's still the case.

As for better educated catholics than protestants I think there's still a class divide in there to consider, catholic boys from poorer socio-economic backgrounds aren't doing much better than protestant boys from similar backgrounds using free school meals as a barometer of this.
There still are more nationalist areas marked as having issues with social deprivation than unionist areas to consider as well.

The usual headlines you see are based on A level results and nationalist Grammar schools are indeed churning out more students with Grade C's and above than their unionist counterparts.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Applesisapples

#4081
Christ the hypocrisy of Union touting Heaton Harris, calling out Varadkar for saying he envisaged a UI in his life time. It is a perfectly reasonable position for a Taoiseach to take. He's not exactly campaigning for one (although perhaps he should). Of course the BBC and ITV promote it as controversial.It is no more so than any Unionist be they a conservative of of the Ulster variety espousing the union.

Rossfan

Total stage managed outrage, presumably to try and sweeten DUPUDA.
The "not helpful" cliche thrown out as well.
Croppies lie down and shut up so we can pretend ye don't exist.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Applesisapples

Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2023, 10:34:29 AM
Total stage managed outrage, presumably to try and sweeten DUPUDA.
The "not helpful" cliche thrown out as well.
Croppies lie down and shut up so we can pretend ye don't exist.
I agree, but the reporting by the two media outlets was partisan.


weareros

Unfortunately Bono could have turned people off the United Ireland cause purely for the cringe way he described it in the "dating stage" with the "falling in love" next. He's the new Michaleen matchmaker from The Quiet Man.

red hander

As the unforgettable Mark E Smith once said of Bongo: "My window cleaner has more to say than that cnut."

AustinPowers

Quote from: seafoid on September 29, 2023, 05:43:14 PMhttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-gregory-campbell-accuses-u2-frontman-bono-of-being-in-fantasy-world-after-united-ireland-comments/a2083253900.html

When Gregory says "We",  is he speaking  for everyone  in the north? 

Has he forgotten  half  the north are catholic/nationalist?  But sure , they don't count. Never did, in the eyes of  bigoted unionists

PS. Bono is a  bell-end , who should  just stick to music. Actually he should bstop that too  judging by the last few albums

seafoid

The mentions of a United Ireland are coming thick and fast from the South these days. Gregory and co are playing United Ireland tennis. The vultures are circling the corpse. What will we do with Stormont the day after ?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

clarshack

When the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

armaghniac

Quote from: clarshack on September 29, 2023, 09:46:09 PMWhen the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

Whether you are in favour of United Ireland or not it would be ridiculous to deny that it is likely to happen by 2050.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

RedHand88

Quote from: clarshack on September 29, 2023, 09:46:09 PMWhen the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

Exactly.

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: armaghniac on September 29, 2023, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 29, 2023, 09:46:09 PMWhen the likes of Varadkar and Bono are talking about a United Ireland it must be only a matter of time. It wasn't that long ago that Varadkar wouldn't even entertain the idea so why now the change?

Whether you are in favour of United Ireland or not it would be ridiculous to deny that it is likely to happen by 2050.

Too many double negatives in that statement. Is 2050 still ridiculously early? I would have thought the fact that even the SDLP are now looking at 2030 for a poll should tell you how things are changing.

Jell 0 Biafra

That's what he said!

I think that might be optimistic, myself.  But it is only a matter of time.

Milltown Row2

Change the mindset, I've lived in Ireland all my life. The borders have always been someone else's.

How much different will your life be? When it happens, brilliant, but if you are in your 40's/50's now, that Ireland you are searching for will be entirely different.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea