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Title: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
Round 1
4ú / 5ú Samhain

(a) Derrygonnelly V Kilcoo at Brewster Park

Quarter Finals
11ú / 12ú Samhain

(b) Glen V Cargin at Celtic Park

(c) Gowna V Naomh Conaill at Kingspan Breffni

(d) Trillick V Crossmaglen at O'Neills Healy Park

(e) Scotstown V Derrygonnelly/Kilcoo
If Muineachán V Fear Manach at Clones If An Dún V Muineachán at Páirc Esler

Semi Finals
25ú /26ú Samhain

Winner (b) V Winner (c) Winner (d) V Winner (e)

Final
9ú / 10ú Nollaig


All Ireland Semi Final 6ú /7ú Eanair 2024

All Ireland Final
20ú /21ú Eanair 2024
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:01:55 PM
State of affairs as it stands:

Antrim
Final:
Cargin v Dunloy

Armagh
Final:
Clan na Gael v Crossmaglen

Cavan
Final:
Kingscourt v Gowna

Derry
Final:
Magherafelt v Glen 

Donegal
Final:
Gaoth Dobhair v Naomh Conaill

Down
Final:
Burren v Kilcoo

Fermanagh
Final:
Derrygonnelly v Erne Gaels

Monaghan
Final:
Scotstown v Inniskeen

Tyrone
Final:
Errigal v Trillick
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PM
Armagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.

The QFs proper did produce a couple of minor shocks, notably Harps almost proving the whole county wrong and toppling Cross despite being massive outsiders. Clans and Madden winning their ties while not totally unexpected, the manner of both victories will have caught the attention of their semi final opponents.

Clann Éireann and Cross are the bookies' favourites to make the final and it will be a major shock if either are caught on the hop. Cross have  stuttered slightly through league and championship this year, Clann Éireann have impressive from start to finish and are my tip to reclaim the title they relinquished last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on September 26, 2023, 01:11:43 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.

The QFs proper did produce a couple of minor shocks, notably Harps almost proving the whole county wrong and toppling Cross despite being massive outsiders. Clans and Madden winning their ties while not totally unexpected, the manner of both victories will have caught the attention of their semi final opponents.

Clann Éireann and Cross are the bookies' favourites to make the final and it will be a major shock if either are caught on the hop. Cross have  stuttered slightly through league and championship this year, Clann Éireann have impressive from start to finish and are my tip to reclaim the title they relinquished last year.
Should be 2 very good semi finals, big Lurgan derby with both sides as strong as they have been in a long while, Clann Eireann flying but McPartlan of Clanns has been playing out of his skin, one of the best players in the county at the minute and a few younger lads are super players as ell. Cross and Madden will be an interesting one, thought Cross would have tanked the Harps but almost left it behind them and with Rico Kelly being called in from the seconds team gives me a feeling something isn't right there.

Still predicting a Cross and CE final though with Cross to win it. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on September 26, 2023, 02:07:05 PM
Cross have probably got their annual championship kick up the arse warning now and will knuckle down and push on up through the gears. I thought Madden the most impressive team of the quarter winners and will give Cross all they want tho. I didn't see our performance v Cross coming tbh, I was a bit fearful but a lot of credit due to all involved as we're just not as strong as recent years. Clans,  a team & club definitely on the up and certainly won't fear Clann Eireann but a year or 2 too early imo to go all the way.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on September 27, 2023, 09:57:30 PM
Dizzy heights for Glenn in Down and Dunloy in Antrim.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ClubScene13 on September 28, 2023, 12:31:29 PM
Good man General cheers for this
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tbrick18 on September 29, 2023, 11:10:18 AM
Derry
Still f**king about with their groups AFAIK


Couldn't have put it better...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on September 29, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
do all 16 teams still qualify from derry group stages.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Jimmy on September 29, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
14 teams in Derry senior championship this year.

2 groups of 7 with top 4 qualifying for quarter finals. Games will be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3.

Glen Magherafelt and Slaughtneil guaranteed 1/4 final spots with Lavey more or less guaranteed a place.

Bottom 2 in each group face relegation playoff. Coleraine definately in that with Ballinderry and Loup likely to join them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 29, 2023, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.

If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.

I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.

I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Estimator on September 29, 2023, 03:25:14 PM
I've no issue at all with the group stages in Derry. All remaining games in the groups have something to play for (final postponed group game-Loup/Ballinderry might not have, based on how this weekends results pan out)

Group A - Glen only team in the QFs.  Next 5 teams could all end up on 6pts if results go a certain way.
Which means that 3 clubs would qualify for the QFs on 6pts, another clubs season would be over on 6pts, (neither QF or Relegation) and the last club would be in a relegation match on 6pts. Coleraine definitely in one of the relegation spots

Group B - Magherafelt and Slaughtneil are in the QFs. With 3 teams in the running for the last two spots in that group. Newbridge, Steelstown and Kilrea. Slim chance that Kilrea could end up in the relegation match. Ballinderry definitely in one of the relegation spots.

And even though we are still in the group stages, our county final is scheduled for the same day as the Tyrone county final. Which still gives two weeks until the first round in Ulster. Really its only the Fermanagh and Down finals need to be wrapped up before the 29th.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on September 30, 2023, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 29, 2023, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.

If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.

I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.

I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it. 

The group stages are horrible.
Zero intensity and no atmosphere for supporters.

Teams getting hammered by 15+ points and still getting rewarded with a knockout match.

Some teams even getting beat twice and still getting another bite at the cherry. Preliminary QFs are not necessary - they could easily be relegation play-offs instead with 3rd playing 4th - no dead rubbers then.

Gimme straight knockout and doubleheaders any day of the week. Maybe something closer to what Down have with a back door system.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on September 30, 2023, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: general_lee on September 30, 2023, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 29, 2023, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.

If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.

I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.

I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it. 

The group stages are horrible.
Zero intensity and no atmosphere for supporters.

Teams getting hammered by 15+ points and still getting rewarded with a knockout match.

Some teams even getting beat twice and still getting another bite at the cherry. Preliminary QFs are not necessary - they could easily be relegation play-offs instead with 3rd playing 4th - no dead rubbers then.

Gimme straight knockout and doubleheaders any day of the week. Maybe something closer to what Down have with a back door system.
Far rather straight knockout myself. Didn't Harps get a tanking in the group stage and then almost beat Cross in the knockout game?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: J70 on October 01, 2023, 11:59:08 AM
Oisin Gallen with 1-9 for McCumhaills against Glenswilly (Michael Murphy scored 1-5).

Glenswilly were seven points up at one point, but McCumhaills are through to the semis.

Eunans through as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on October 01, 2023, 06:19:55 PM
Gaoth Dobhair v Sean MacCumhaills
Naomh Conaill v St Eunan's
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on October 01, 2023, 08:52:40 PM
Quarter-finals #DerrySFC

Saturday
4pm – Newbridge v Lavey
5.45pm – Glen v Kilrea

Sunday
4pm – Slaughtneil v Bellaghy
5.45pm – Magherafelt v Ballinascreen

All in Owenbeg
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: timmyot501 on October 01, 2023, 09:31:24 PM
Monaghan semi finals

Corduff v scotstown
Inniskeen v clontibret
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AM
Mild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on October 08, 2023, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Local derby anything can happen... A lot of Clann Eireann ones not too happy with the ref, Faloon let a lot go for both sides. Be some craic if Madden shocked Cross in the other semi.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on October 08, 2023, 06:22:54 PM
It'll be a Kingscourt Gowna final in Cavan. Crosserlough were favourites and unbeaten this season, but Gowna put paid to that with a 7 point win
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Brendan on October 08, 2023, 07:12:53 PM
Glen V Slaughtneil and Newbridge V Magherafelt in Derry
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: J70 on October 08, 2023, 07:14:22 PM
Naomh Chonaill v Gaoth Dobhair final in Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: balladmaker on October 08, 2023, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.

The Clans will give Cross a game.  Should have beaten them in the group stages, they won't fear the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: lurganblue on October 09, 2023, 09:04:33 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player

Has to be on the wind up.

Great to be back in a senior county final.  The first since 2006.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on October 09, 2023, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player

Not a wind up. Just going by the facts and the stats of the semi-final. Hopefully I'm proved wrong in the final.

By the way, the first time that I saw the Clans play was back in the 70's when they were playing St Johns in the Ulster club championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on October 09, 2023, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Campbell and McParland are the stars of the team but Callum O'Neill is a top player in the making and has been a real addition.  Some of the other younger lads like Lavery and Austin will no doubt be top players in the coming years, but O'Neill would be the standout for me and has adapted to senior football like a duck to water.  Michael McConville has been very impressive also, but his size may hinder him from playing county senior.  If Clan NaGael are to win they will need huge performances from Campbell and McParland and probably a more healthier contribution to the scoreboard from some of the other forwards. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on October 09, 2023, 02:57:26 PM
Clans are far from a one man team but having seen them a couple of times in the league, the difference that Soupy & McPartlan make is substantial. McPartlan is hands down the best player in Armagh club football right now. If Cross keep those two quiet or even half keep them quiet, they'll have enough class and know-how to close out the match - just don't think Clans have anyone else to take up the scoring responsibility, Cross have options all over the field.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on October 13, 2023, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!

Cross v Clans in the final.

Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.

far from a one man team. I am assuming this is the only game you watched of them this year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on October 14, 2023, 12:06:36 PM
Down final between Burren and Kilcoo, due to be played tomorrow and on TG4, may be postponed as Kilcoo have objected to the ref and have taken their objection to Croke Park.
The ref in question is one of our finest young referees; just another example of Kilcoo's gamesmanship. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PM
Would he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: PTC on October 14, 2023, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 11:50:10 AM
Some craic in Down.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 12:03:51 PM
Quote from: befair on October 14, 2023, 12:06:36 PMDown final between Burren and Kilcoo, due to be played tomorrow and on TG4, may be postponed as Kilcoo have objected to the ref and have taken their objection to Croke Park.
The ref in question is one of our finest young referees; just another example of Kilcoo's gamesmanship. 
So David Gough has had to be drafted in. Apparently now he is pulling out as well. God know if game even be played
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: AustinPowers on October 15, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 11:50:10 AMSome craic in Down.

Do explain
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 15, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 11:50:10 AMSome craic in Down.

Do explain
So Kilcoo objected to the ref and went whole way to Croke Park about it eventually David Gough gets appointed. Now apparently Gough won't be doing it and theres a doubt whether or not it'll even go ahead.

Apparently the Down CB
1. Refused to guarantee Faloons safety when he asked.
2. Refused to allow him to have open mic as he's been accused in the past of saying things to Kilcoo players.
3. Refused to issue a statement backing him.

The ref co-ordinator in Down has been getting threatening phone calls this week as well allegedly and told to stay away from game today. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Leonardo on October 16, 2023, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 14, 2023, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.

Paul Faloon was never a Clonduff member. He played for Saval and referees for Drumgath
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: PTC on October 16, 2023, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 16, 2023, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 14, 2023, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.

Paul Faloon was never a Clonduff member. He played for Saval and referees for Drumgath
Played hurling for clonduff
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on October 16, 2023, 05:00:09 PM
Have to say that is some of the most outrageous stuff I have ever read regarding the conduct of a GAA club. Kilcoo are a horrible shower of f**kers and I hope every ref in the country remembers this carry on when they step out in Ulster. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Deerstalker on October 16, 2023, 05:07:47 PM
So only half followed this, what was Kilcoos issue with the appointed ref ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: AustinPowers on October 16, 2023, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 16, 2023, 05:00:09 PMHave to say that is some of the most outrageous stuff I have ever read regarding the conduct of a GAA club. Kilcoo are a horrible shower of f**kers and I hope every ref in the country remembers this carry on when they step out in Ulster. Unbelievable.

Should a referee not  referee the game as it  happens ?  What someone  did last week, on or off the field , should not influence   a referee's decision making in a game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 07:33:41 PM
I wonder would the decision have been different from Down GAA if the game was not being televised?  Disgraceful situation and Down Co Boards statement is as weak as piss. Kilcoo running the county and that's as clear as day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Rossfan on October 16, 2023, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 07:33:41 PMI wonder would the decision have been different from Down GAA if the game was not being televised?  Disgraceful situation and Down Co Boards statement is as weak as piss. Kilcoo running the county and that's as clear as day

Shockin carry on.
Kilcoo should be stripped of their title and banned from next year's one.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PM
Laverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.

Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.

Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards

That and the fact that they couldn't guarantee reds safety holds the game in disrepute. Should be n investigation in it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 16, 2023, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.

Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards

That and the fact that they couldn't guarantee reds safety holds the game in disrepute. Should be n investigation in it
He should have been booted then along with the rest of the knackers
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on October 17, 2023, 08:05:10 AM
Dunno how much of what is read is true but this is a very bad precedent to be setting. I don't know what Down GAA are playing at here tbh - this has been handled awfully. Kilcoo say why is it always Kilcoo getting picked on. I don't even know anything about them historically as I'm from another county but to put it politely they are hard to like.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 17, 2023, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2023, 08:05:10 AMDunno how much of what is read is true but this is a very bad precedent to be setting. I don't know what Down GAA are playing at here tbh - this has been handled awfully. Kilcoo say why is it always Kilcoo getting picked on. I don't even know anything about them historically as I'm from another county but to put it politely they are hard to like.
Look at the Down CB statement. Shower of clowns.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on October 17, 2023, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.

Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
If that's true (& I'd have my doubts) it'll come out in the wash and Laverty's position will be untenable anyway. Down County board look absolutely ridiculous in all this imo.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Applesisapples on October 17, 2023, 10:58:47 AM
If it's true why would any club send players to the county?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2023, 11:10:47 AM
Its the same as 90% of the stuff written on here on the subject, made up nonsense.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: lurganblue on October 17, 2023, 11:41:07 AM
I'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles.  Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on October 17, 2023, 11:42:22 AM
Did David Gough not do it? This is an awful needless mess - they won easy anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2023, 11:41:07 AMI'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles.  Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.

Perfect opportunity to not turn up for the game, with the cameras there and so on, highlighting the reasons.. missed opportunity

That said, there was no ref'ing in the game as Burren were put up no fight
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 17, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2023, 11:41:07 AMI'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles.  Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.
The ref who did the final regularly does Kilcoo friendlies/ in house games
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: StephenC on October 22, 2023, 04:12:25 PM
NC completely in control. 5-0 after 10 minutes. Looking ominous for GD.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Decod89 on October 22, 2023, 04:26:34 PM
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Quote from: StephenC on October 22, 2023, 04:12:25 PMNC completely in control. 5-0 after 10 minutes. Looking ominous for GD.

Ethan O'Donnell looks like he's playing an age grade above the rest
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: J70 on October 22, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
1-13 to 0-5 now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on October 22, 2023, 05:29:26 PM
Aaron Kernan about to win his 19th county title, Jamie Clarke just converted a penalty to make it Cross 1-13 Clan na Gael 1-5, 24 mins gone in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 06:01:48 PM
Cross just upped it slightly in second half, won pulling up in the end. Good first half but second no contest
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 22, 2023, 06:49:38 PM
Let me know when Gweedore turn up, shockingly poor.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mourne Red on October 22, 2023, 06:58:41 PM
Derrygonnelly Vs Kilcoo it is then.. DG had a scare in their Semi Vs Kinawley, 7 points down at one stage with 15 mins to go then ended up winning by 6.

Won the final with 14 men by 5 points too. Would expect Kilcoo to beat them but DG have that never say die attitude
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bannside on October 22, 2023, 07:08:45 PM
Glenties looked very impressive there. As were Crossmaglen earlier.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 07:43:30 PM
Quote from: bannside on October 22, 2023, 07:08:45 PMGlenties looked very impressive there. As were Crossmaglen earlier.
Cross weren't up against a whole pile in the second half and won handy in the end. Be interesting to see what lessons they've learned from last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PM
Most county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: mrdeeds on October 22, 2023, 08:29:14 PM
Gowna won Cavan today by 17 points.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 10:46:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today

Yeah and if their granny had balls....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2023, 11:00:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 10:46:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today

Yeah and if their granny had balls....

Now, now. In this day and age you cannot imply that their granny did not in fact have testicles.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PM
Are Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PMAre Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Kept Soupy and the other lads who'd been flying all year quiet enough anyway but Errigal Ciaran probably a different level. Morgan would be a good help to soften up the Canavan boys.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on October 23, 2023, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side

Think the ref missed a clear black card in the first half when Oisin O'Neill was taken down when was braking through.  Callum Comiskey did a great job on Campbell in both the group game and again yesterday.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on October 23, 2023, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PMAre Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Caolan Finnegan would be a upgrade in the forward line think he may be a long term injury.  Ronan Fitzpatrick who came on near end yesterday outside of that think that was their full deck. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on October 23, 2023, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Clan Na Gael must went nearly 25 minutes after the goal without a score.  Once the goal went in Cross seemed to realise they needed to kick into gear.  Two disappointing county finals in a row now unfortunately after a few good ones prior to that. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PM
Errigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.


really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on October 23, 2023, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.


really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though
Think its a bit early to be pinning hope on Aaron O'Neill after a half of championship football which was largely uncompetitive. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 03:24:58 PM
Cross will struggle against Errigal Ciaran. They won't get the time or space that they got yesterday in the Athletic Grounds.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PM
Cross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Don't think Cross have the man markers for the Canavans and Harte, best hope is flooding the defence and keeping goals out. If they don't concede any goals I don't see many teams kicking more points. Easier said than done obviously.

The glory years team are  up there with the best club teams ever so no real shame in that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2023, 07:51:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.

Ah come on Benny that's harsh,  even the glory years teams had to start somewhere!  I think in terms of pure talent very few can compare to Rian in any of the teams,  I think the difference is the first group had a 18-19 players that Joe trusted implicitly but we were also extremely physical and we dominated teams. The second burst of glory was based around a group of better footballers than the first set but maybe not just as physically big. Still extremely tough but not as 'tough'. Also,  the 2 teams that won the AIs are up there with the best ever so hard to compare.

The current group are very young. Chris Crowley, Callum Cumiskey, Paul Hughes, AK and Jamie are the only starting players over 26, most under 23. All subs from memory under 23. Do
I think they'll win Ulster?  No. Would I be surprised if they made a good run at it?  No.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
Not intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on October 23, 2023, 09:41:34 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 09:09:44 PMNot intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.


Certainly, they did not exceed the sum of the parts in most of the games to date, in the first half of the final they were almost lackadaisical at times.But the need to tighten the defence must be obvious and there is obvious room for improvement, and improvement is needed.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: LeoMc on October 23, 2023, 09:44:25 PM
Not much thought been given to Trillick in here. They will believe they can beat Errigal and would give Cross a run. Probably a more solid defence than Errigal and a couple of top quality forwards will make them hard to beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PM
Looks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

 ;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 29, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
It's been 2 weeks at least. The topic deffo needs a revisit 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 29, 2023, 06:25:01 PMIt's been 2 weeks at least. The topic deffo needs a revisit 🤣🤣

Gets me through the dark November month! 😂
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

 ;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up

Deffo the hardest to retain!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PM
Hard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.

So that's the reason? No
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

 ;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up

Deffo the hardest to retain!!!

Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.

So that's the reason? No
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

 ;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up

Deffo the hardest to retain!!!

Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors

Group stages are a joke to determine 1/4 Finalists. Trillick were a penalty shootout from being knocked out in the first round
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.

So that's the reason? No
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

 ;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up

Deffo the hardest to retain!!!

Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors

Group stages are a joke to determine 1/4 Finalists. Trillick were a penalty shootout from being knocked out in the first round

If that was the case maybe Tyrone teams bar EC would be able to actually compete in Ulster.. do they just get pissed after winning ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:18:11 PMIf what was the case?

If group stages were a joke then why do counties that have them do better than Tyrone's championship?

Dublin, Galway being two I can that have recently won along with Down
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:28:43 PMThose counties clubs did better than Tyrone's when every county was straight knockout.

When did Antrim introduce groups? How have their clubs done since? Better or worse?

Antrim's had a mix of groups back doors round robins over the years ..

But currently (last ten years) the counties that are doing better have groups. More games in championships

And it may be the case that Tyrone teams are muck in Ulster regardless of straight knockouts or not

But spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 11:48:43 PM
Tyrone, Monaghan, and Donegal have been the most successful Ulster counties at inter-provincial level in the last 20 years. Yet their clubs are 3 of the 4 least successful at provincial club level. Moral of the story, do what St Galls did and draft in a rake of newcomers.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 11:48:43 PMTyrone, Monaghan, and Donegal have been the most successful Ulster counties at inter-provincial level in the last 20 years. Yet their clubs are 3 of the 4 least successful at provincial club level. Moral of the story, do what St Galls did and draft in a rake of newcomers.

Aye no inter club transfers in Tyrone...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2023, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 30, 2023, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:28:43 PMThose counties clubs did better than Tyrone's when every county was straight knockout.

When did Antrim introduce groups? How have their clubs done since? Better or worse?

Antrim's had a mix of groups back doors round robins over the years ..

But currently (last ten years) the counties that are doing better have groups. More games in championships

And it may be the case that Tyrone teams are muck in Ulster regardless of straight knockouts or not

But spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap
The answer is that Antrim teams have done worse since the groups were introduced. But that's not because of the format. And that's the case across the board.
I don't know how you measure one championship against another but you seem to base it on how good the winners are. I'm not sure I agree with that logic.
Armagh, Derry & Down (Antrim also) are almost forgone conclusions. Their winners are good teams but it's all a bit easy to make the championship good.
Tyrone is wide open at least and the straight knockout at every level gives the do or die element.
But it's different strokes for different folks I suppose.

How do you measure success? You asked about measuring one championship over another, we hear every year that the Tyrone championship is the toughest/best and so on, but when playing the winners of other championships it's mediocre at best

Winning one part and not the whole part?

Winning one part (your own championship) and not the whole part (Ulster and All Ireland) if you measure success by just winning your county championship, that's fine.

All clubs enter their senior championship to win all their games which eventually lead to Croke park.

Antrim teams have reached Croke park 3 times, if we use them as a measuring stick, Tyrone have yet to get there.

Tyrone as a county in Ulster are top dogs, undisputed. I'm not sure of the reasons given (because it's different winners every year, or because it's the hardest to win) to why they are crap in Ulster club

I'd maybe a glass too many last night lol!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ONeill on October 30, 2023, 12:20:27 AM
What do you not understand by 'winning the one part and not the whole part' stuff?

Pretty self-explanatory, and, at a push, genius.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: FermGael on October 30, 2023, 07:49:13 AM
Tyrone clubs now have no excuses.
I think they are the last remaining county  that does straight knockout in Ulster
 
That means you only need to win 4 games to win Tyrone.
That will be the lowest amount of games that any team in Ulster has played to win their club championship this year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Snapchap on October 30, 2023, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:40:24 PMBut spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap

Tyrone's entire championship is not one of the best because you didn't enjoy the final? Not sure I follow the logic in that one. I judge a championship by the unpredictability of it. But I mean, if you prefer often meaningless group games with the same eventual winner each year, and where said winners know they don't really have to hit their peak until their county champioship is over, then you're welcome to it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
With straight knock out there's always the more likely event of multiple champions year on year. I think the big thing about Tyrone is that there is so little between each team hence it is hard for a team to dominate. This has had a really positive impact on their county team as there are a greater number of players playing each other every championship who are able to step
Up to a higher level of football easier. Followed the game in Twitter yesterday and Trillick showed serious character. People will be making us favourites on our name alone for the 1/4 final and that's an insult to Trillick. If EC had won they'd be favourites against us so why not Trillick?  Will be a tricky game to say the least!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on October 30, 2023, 10:44:43 AM
would you say over half the county championships in the country are too predictable
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on October 30, 2023, 10:51:08 AM
There are a number of "superteams" in the country who seem to win very regularly but I think it's maybe more prevalent in ulster than it seems to be in other provinces for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Snapchap on October 30, 2023, 11:36:21 AM
For anyone interested, here's the breakdown of the last 20 years of county championship title winners in Ulster:

Antrim - 2 teams have shared 18 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
St Galls 10
Cargain 8
Lámh Dhearg 1
Creggan Kickhams 1

Armagh: 1 team has won 15 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Crossmaglen 15
Maghery 2
Pearse Óg 1
Clann Éireann 1
Armagh Harps 1

Cavan: 1 team has won 8 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Cavan Gaels 8
Gowna 2
Ramor United 2
Mullahoran 2
Kingscourt 2
Castlerahan 2
Ballinagh 2
Crosserlough 1

Derry - 2 teams have shared 11 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Slaughtneil 6
Ballinderry 5
Glen 2
An Lúb 2
Coleraine 2
Magherfelt 1
Bellaghy 1
Glenullin 1

Donegal - 2 teams have shared 13 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23:
Naomh Conaill 7
St Eunan's 6
Gaoth Dobhair 2
Glenswilly 3
Ard an Rátha 1
Cill Chartha 1

Down: 2 teams have shared 16 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Kilcoo 12
Mayobridge 5
Burren 3

Fermanagh: 2 teams have shared 13 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2018-19
Derrygonnelly 9
Roslea 4
Enniskillen Gaels 2
Newtownbutler 1
Teemore 1
Tempo 1
Ederney 1
Donagh 1

Monaghan: 2 teams have shared 14 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2020-21
Scotstown 8
Clontibret 6
Latton O'Rahillys 3
Ballybay 2
Magheracloone 1

Tyrone: No back to back winner since 2004-05
Dromore 4
Trillick 3
Errigal Ciaran 3
Carrickmore 2
Coalisland 2
Clonoe 2
Omagh 2
Killyclogher 1
Dunagannon 1

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on October 30, 2023, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 30, 2023, 10:51:08 AMThere are a number of "superteams" in the country who seem to win very regularly but I think it's maybe more prevalent in ulster than it seems to be in other provinces for whatever reason.

The likes of Corofin or Kilmacud seem to win regularly too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on October 30, 2023, 11:40:23 AM
Nemo and dr crokes used to win regularly too but that seems to have stopped. Nemo and Kilmacaud are likely to always be in the mix though as they are huge. Corofin are probably smaller so more likely to be in a cycle. Dr Crokes I'm not so sure about.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 30, 2023, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!

They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere

What one in the Southern hemisphere is tougher?  ???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on October 30, 2023, 01:08:47 PM
manufactured success based on borders
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 30, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
To be fair we do hear about Tyrone's championship being the toughest ever year. Mostly from MR 2 tho. 😂
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2023, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 30, 2023, 01:14:22 PMTo be fair we do hear about Tyrone's championship being the toughest ever year. Mostly from MR 2 tho. 😂

TBF I'm generally on the wind up and find it bizarre considering the wealth of talent in those teams in Tyrone

Remember watching Cookstown play before us in Armagh (way back) I think, and was chatting to the lads saying they would trouble some senior teams in Ulster. That decent Carrickmore team were there or there abouts

Like I said its odd
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: LeoMc on October 30, 2023, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 30, 2023, 01:08:47 PMmanufactured success based on borders

Are you criticising the GAA in general or just comparing it to soccer where it comes down to who can find the wealthiest Saudi prince or Russian Ogliarch to throw money at it?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on October 30, 2023, 03:08:19 PM
Having a dominant club is usually uncorrelated with county all Ireland success. Tyrone seems to be more like Kerry and Kilkenny than anything else. The last 20 years in club have featured teams from Mayo, Ros , Galway, Armagh  and Antrim winning 13 out of 20 all Irelands when the counties didn't.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Kernan_is_King on October 30, 2023, 04:15:27 PM
I think there is a connection between the top club in Armagh and their county success.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2023, 06:19:11 PM
Nearly all sports will have 2-3 dominant teams, nearly every county will have 2-3 teams who account for half to 2/3 of county titles. Up till we went on the run in 1996 it was split 3 ways, 24 to us, 20 to Armagh Harps and 14 to Clan na Gael. That was basically 2/3 of the titles. I'd say if you look at most counties this is the case. In Galway for instance too 4 teams have 81 of the titles with Tuam Stars top at 25. 4 clubs in Dublin 61 titles. Kerry more evenly spread but 2 divisional teams have 20 titles between them. Cork similar though Nemo well ahead. In Mayo Ballina and Castlebar have 68 titles between them. In Monaghan 3 clubs have 69 titles. Point is that this is generally the case.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Estimator on October 30, 2023, 09:48:36 PM
Looking at Derry's winners from the last 20yrs - 3 teams: Slaughtneil, Glen and Coleraine had 0 titles between them in 2003. Now they have 11 between them.

Three of the winners had a long stint without one:
Glenullin were on a 20+yr wait,
Magherafelt a 30+yr wait
An lub a 60+yr wait.

And looking at the top 5 most successful clubs in Derry, they are on a bit of a county title famine:
Bellaghy 21 titles - last 2005
Ballinderry 13 titles - last 2013
Newbridge 10 titles - last 1989
Lavey 9 titles - last 1993
Dungiven 7 titles - last 1997
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: AustinPowers on October 30, 2023, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: Kernan_is_King on October 30, 2023, 04:15:27 PMI think there is a connection between the top club in Armagh and their county success.

You could argue that was  true with Crossmaglen's AI titles from 1997-2000 , and Armagh's success around  then

but Crossmaglen's 3 later AI titles doesn't correspond with Armagh's lack of  success from 2007 to 2012
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 30, 2023, 09:59:38 PM
Great stats estimator cheers

Few sleeping giants alright...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on October 30, 2023, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on October 30, 2023, 11:36:21 AMFor anyone interested, here's the breakdown of the last 20 years of county championship title winners in Ulster:

....

Good work.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on October 30, 2023, 11:33:43 PM
Best club team not win their championship?

Dromintee had a brilliant side in the early 2000s but lost 5 finals in ten years to Cross.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on October 31, 2023, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 30, 2023, 11:33:43 PMBest club team not win their championship?

Dromintee had a brilliant side in the early 2000s but lost 5 finals in ten years to Cross.

Define 'best'.

Poyntzpass is a great wee club and has never won a senior championship match.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 01, 2023, 09:42:28 PM
Glen    5/6
Kilcoo    4/1
Scotstown    9/1
Crossmaglen    9/1
Naomh Conaill  10/1
Trillick   10/1
Gowna    28/1
Cargin    28/1
Derrygonnelly 100/1

Glen hot favourites to win Ulster. Hard to see them beaten tbh. Could be some value in Kilcoo?
    Hard to see anything but Kilcoo winning on Sunday though.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2023, 10:13:23 PM
Kilcoo are -7 for weekend!

Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PM
Hard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: InnocentByStander on November 02, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.

Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on November 02, 2023, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2023, 10:13:23 PMKilcoo are -7 for weekend!

Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
They beat Derrygonnelly in January 2022 by 16 points. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2023, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on November 02, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.

Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
I think you are missing the most important bit. There are a pile of teams of similar standard.

Cargin, Cross, Glen & Kilcoo would all still win their respective championships handy enough if they were straight KO.

I am pretty sure cross didnt win the last couple that were knockout
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
It's similar in Tipp hurling and Kerry. The name of the game is competition to feed the county team.
Very strong clubs do not help the county cause. Strong club competition does. Tyrone behaves like a serious county.
A lot of county championships are dominated by 1 club and turn into turkey shoots.

Between 2002 and 2022 Galway clubs won 6 hurling and 6 club titles while the county only won a single county all Ireland.

Tyrone clubs won 0 club all Irelands and 4 Sams.  It's all about priorities.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2023, 10:14:45 AM


It looks like Kilmacud will feature strongly again. Will anyone from Ulster be able to stop them?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2023, 10:15:19 AM
Quote from: statto on November 02, 2023, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2023, 10:13:23 PMKilcoo are -7 for weekend!

Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
They beat Derrygonnelly in January 2022 by 16 points. 

Forgot about that! Maybe the bookies are being generous  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 02, 2023, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 02, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2023, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on November 02, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.

Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
I think you are missing the most important bit. There are a pile of teams of similar standard.

Cargin, Cross, Glen & Kilcoo would all still win their respective championships handy enough if they were straight KO.

I am pretty sure cross didnt win the last couple that were knockout
They'd still have won most of the last 25 years+.

Of the 3 recent ones they didn't win, Cullyhanna caught them with a goal from a long ball with near the last kick, Clann Eireann beat them in a final after a couple of goal keeper howlers and Maghery blew them off the field after they left Aidan Forker 1v1 inside. They've since won the last 2 without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2023, 10:52:21 AM
Think it's fair to say the bookies generally are close enough with odds. Glen strong favourites to win out in Ulster. Just don't see them being stopped. Can build up nicely. Kilcoo have the longer route with tougher games. They then would be playing Scotstown,  winners of that play Trillick, which is no gimme. That's a tough route to make a final. Glen on the other hand should dispose of Cargin in 2nd gear. NC should beat Gowna and will be tough enough but Glen should dispose of them pulling up. Glen v Trillick final with the Derry men striding out 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2023, 11:05:34 AM
The big lawds brought his A game to the gaaboard this morn that's for sure 🤣😆
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
Jack McCarron should make a big difference for scotstown. NC a sticky enough team too. Not sure I could see a tyrone team in the final as I think Trillick too many tough games already. I be surprised they beat Cross but I suspect BC really doesn't think what he says there...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2023, 11:58:39 AM
Ah come on lads I'm not too far off with my predictions. Come back to me at the end of things and let's see who is right or wrong
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 02, 2023, 12:44:56 PM
Trillick v Cross is a 50/50 game and one I'm looking forward to.

Cross have the benefit of an extra week to regroup after their county final and will be hoping to make amends for the embarrassment v Ballybay last year.

Is it fair to say that Trillick probably didn't have one eye on Ulster the same way EC might have? They weren't fancied to win and might view anything at this stage as a bonus - that's not to say they won't give Cross their fill of it.

Cross came through a mediocre enough Armagh championship so they'll have upped it in training. They had looked sluggish at times against both Harps and Madden but looked a lot more mobile in the final v Clans. They looked in trouble in the first half but managed that game brilliantly and cantered to an easy win.

It will be interesting to see who referees and whether Cross will be afforded the same grace they are in Armagh when it comes to tackling. If not they'll be punished from frees by Trillick which could tip it in the Tyronies' favour.





Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 02, 2023, 12:49:09 PM
who have Kilcoo chosen to referee their game ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2023, 01:29:06 PM
Plucky outsiders Cross just happy to be here at this stage, anything else be a bonus 😅
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2023, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2023, 01:29:06 PMPlucky outsiders Cross just happy to be here at this stage, anything else be a bonus 😅

Basically!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Orior on November 02, 2023, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 02, 2023, 12:49:09 PMwho have Kilcoo chosen to referee their game ?

Stop that, lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 02, 2023, 04:34:36 PM
Preliminary
1. Derrygonnelly vs Kilcoo
   
Kilcoo+6

Qfinals

2. Trillick v Crossmaglen
  Cross +3

3. Glen v Cargin
   Glen +7

4. Gowna v Naomh Conaill
   NC  +1

5. Scotstown v Derrygonnelly/Kilcoo
   Kilcoo +5

If Scotstown v Derrygonnelly at Clones, if Kilcoo v Scotstown at Páirc Esler
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:04:13 PM
Kilcoo racing into an early lead 5 points to 1.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM
1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Not really. If you could be bothered theres posts of me supporting them, huge fan of theirs in terms of what they've achieved as a small rural club but can't condone mocking lads dead relatives or mocking victims of child sex abuse.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 05, 2023, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Not really. If you could be bothered theres posts of me supporting them, huge fan of theirs in terms of what they've achieved as a small rural club but can't condone mocking lads dead relatives or mocking victims of child sex abuse.

Ah but sure here, they are pure winners and thats what it takes  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 05, 2023, 07:01:49 PM
The last 3 winners are all motoring - Kilcoo, KC and Corofin
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 05, 2023, 07:54:04 PM
Kilcoo looked sharp today.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: redzone on November 05, 2023, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
You got it badly wrong about Errigal. No reason Scotstown can't turn them over
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
You got it badly wrong about Errigal. No reason Scotstown can't turn them over 
Very true lol just my opinion though. Don't see Kilcoo being caught, they've a score to settle after Glen beating them last year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: onefineday on November 06, 2023, 01:12:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.

Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!

4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all

Them and Glen will be some game.
Aye, it'll be an absolute classic. Tacticians will be drooling about it for years to come.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AM
Can't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.

Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.

Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 09:31:39 AM
Corofin with Liam Silke and Molloy back won't fear any team either. Probably past their best, but will be able to raise their game on any given day.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.

Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh. 

Mannion isn't coming back from an injury this year. I am just not convinced any other team will be able to beat them, or maybe even get close,  at all though hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffron_sam20 on November 06, 2023, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.

Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh. 

Mannion isn't coming back from an injury this year. I am just not convinced any other team will be able to beat them, or maybe even get close,  at all though hope I am wrong.

Ciaran McFaul back for Glen is a massive boost, apparently playing some great stuff for them, think he could be what they need to get over the line
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 10:04:59 AM
Is Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 06, 2023, 11:18:50 AM
Glen come out Ulster, Corofin in Connacht, Crokes in Leinster, Munster nobody cares after that Kerry farce yesterday, hardly a cheer or roar raised all game. How could they, there was like 10 teams involved, does the cup do the round of the district clubs. End the Day Crokes are way better than last year, and stronger than everyone else, even with 5 men left, They beat Corofin in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffron_sam20 on November 06, 2023, 11:19:38 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 10:04:59 AMIs Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.

Haha, my bad was talking to a fella called Brian on the phone in work as was typing, its a monday! Yes Ciaran  :-[
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffrongael on November 06, 2023, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 06, 2023, 11:18:50 AMGlen come out Ulster, Corofin in Connacht, Crokes in Leinster, Munster nobody cares after that Kerry farce yesterday, hardly a cheer or roar raised all game. How could they, there was like 10 teams involved, does the cup do the round of the district clubs. End the Day Crokes are way better than last year, and stronger than everyone else, even with 5 men left, They beat Corofin in the final.

Corofin weren't even favourites for that game yesterday
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Truth hurts on November 06, 2023, 11:27:58 AM
This year, Kilcoo look like a different team and defeated the Fermanagh champs with ease. Scotstown was a good team before McCarron joined so it is a huge task on Sunday for the Magpies. But I expect them to win.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on November 06, 2023, 11:19:38 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 10:04:59 AMIs Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.

Haha, my bad was talking to a fella called Brian on the phone in work as was typing, its a monday! Yes Ciaran  :-[
I was wondering there genuinely thought he'd a brother or something who'd came back!
Ciaran some help back surely!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
See Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on November 06, 2023, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).

Presumably, they envisage a double bill as floodlights are needed for both games.
Met Eireann give it dry from Thursday to Saturday, so they might get away with it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?

Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?

Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:25:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?

Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?

I think so yes
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on November 07, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.

I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?

Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?
Leitrim v Teemore could be streamed at weekend so would expect so.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AM
Trillick  v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7

IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 10, 2023, 10:33:22 AM
Be a few cargin ones on them at those odds
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2023, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 10, 2023, 10:33:22 AMBe a few cargin ones on them at those odds

Cargin plus 6 is a great bet, with a minute to go there wasn't much in it last time out
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick  v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7

IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on November 10, 2023, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick  v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7

IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.

As in the only team that has an anglicized name?

Watty Graham was a Presbyterian Clergy man also.

Not sure how he became associated with the Glen club. But if my history education is coorrcet the presbyterians were equally as dicriminated as the catholics in the earlier stages of the occupation of Ireland by the Brits.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 04:54:07 PM
I take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: NormPeterson on November 10, 2023, 08:24:56 PM
I may be from County Derry but I would prefer to see Cargin win as I live close to it and I have ancestry from close to their ground. I will support the Glen players when they are wearing red but there is no need to support them when playing for club.

On another note, Maghera and Toomebridge both have quite a bad reputation around this area.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on November 10, 2023, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PMScotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.

Most placenames in Ulster are Gaelic.


Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 04:54:07 PMI take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.

I think the club use the townland name An Bhoth.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 10, 2023, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 04:54:07 PMI take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.

Probably Tydavnet is the closest town land. A Both is the Irish name associated with the area relating to the townland relating to the old name An Bough
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 10, 2023, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: NormPeterson on November 10, 2023, 08:24:56 PMI may be from County Derry but I would prefer to see Cargin win as I live close to it and I have ancestry from close to their ground. I will support the Glen players when they are wearing red but there is no need to support them when playing for club.

On another note, Maghera and Toomebridge both have quite a bad reputation around this area.

Why?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 11, 2023, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 10, 2023, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick  v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7

IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.

As in the only team that has an anglicized name?

Watty Graham was a Presbyterian Clergy man also.

Not sure how he became associated with the Glen club. But if my history education is coorrcet the presbyterians were equally as dicriminated as the catholics in the earlier stages of the occupation of Ireland by the Brits.
Until 1801 when they switched sides.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 11, 2023, 07:23:04 PM
Two handy enough frees there at start of Trillick V Cross game.

Very poor efforts.

Both on correct side for the kickers. Do they not practice their kicks nowadays?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 11, 2023, 07:29:43 PM
Rough crowd. Booing the dog 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: snoopdog on November 11, 2023, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 11, 2023, 07:29:43 PMRough crowd. Booing the dog 🤣🤣
Got dogs abuse
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 11, 2023, 07:35:24 PM
This is painful.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 07:36:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 11, 2023, 07:35:24 PMThis is painful.

Errigal would have had a go. This is why I would have preferred them to beat Trillick in the Tyrone Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 11, 2023, 07:39:12 PM
Tell me that's not a snood the trillick goalies wearin
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 11, 2023, 07:39:58 PM
Not the only guilty party here.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 07:41:32 PM
Sure, Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness not over they teams, extreme blanket defense.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
Trillick got Lee Breenan up front, u think they try to isolate him abit, hard do I suppose with Cross so far back. Don't think either would beat Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 07:51:20 PM
Hard watch, Trillick will be happy to be only 2 down as they've been terrible. Cross  look much better but not reflected on the scoreboard
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: rodney trotter on November 11, 2023, 07:53:00 PM
Shocking game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 07:53:10 PM
Trillick setup same again like against Clarke's and Errigal and whilst they are keeping the scores down their big problem is that Crossmaglen have a better defence than any team in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 08:16:57 PM
Crossmaglen resorting now to taking pot shots.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 11, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
Trillick well on top now, Cross shooting is terrible
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on November 11, 2023, 08:19:17 PM
0-4 for Cross (2 from play) in 50 mins of football tells me McGeeney is likely over achieving than under achieving with Armagh. Underage county not strong nor is club senior club football on tonights viewing
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 08:19:49 PM
Lee Brennan with a score that just saved football lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:20:17 PM
Some turnaround, Trillick cutting lose & Cross awful. Jamie Clarke the only man carrying the fight.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 11, 2023, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 08:19:49 PMLee Brennan with a score that just saved football lol.

Great skill
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 08:21:52 PM
Big O'Neill poor the night, was poor against Ballybay lady year. Is he the great forward alot of people say?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: dec on November 11, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
It is amazing how effective the tactic of kicking the ball between the uprights is
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: rodney trotter on November 11, 2023, 08:24:43 PM
Trillick playing good stuff now. Brennan has a bit of class. Grey a good young forward. Richie Donnelly solid around the middle
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 11, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
early shower for Jamie Clarke
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on November 11, 2023, 08:25:22 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 11, 2023, 08:24:58 PMearly shower for Jamie Clarke

Stupid from him
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
Cross didnt score 2nd half, shocking showing, our favourite mucker James Morgan not playing? Normally be 3 bad tackles and looking at a 2nd yellow at this stage.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 11, 2023, 08:30:01 PM
As poor of an effort from Crossmaglen in the Ulster championship. Red for Clarke sums up their night.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 08:30:55 PM
Can't see Oisin O'Neill offer any more than what Armagh already have in the Armagh Midfield.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 11, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:20:17 PMSome turnaround, Trillick cutting lose & Cross awful. Jamie Clarke the only man carrying the fight.

And now he's off. I'm not sure whats happening with Cross. Aimless kicking and toothless upfront. Rian was anonymous at full forward but had a poor supply.
 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 11, 2023, 08:33:04 PM
Who was marking Rian ONeill
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: thewobbler on November 11, 2023, 08:33:12 PM
I'm guessing Cross don't have much experience at coming from behind in their Armagh leagues / championships.

They turned into a an absolute gibbering mess after the 40th minute.

Trillick played well, but they're not as good as Crossmahlen made them look.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 11, 2023, 08:33:27 PM
Trillick 0-9 Crossmaglen 0-4. it was 0-7 to no score from the 26 minute enough said there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PM
Why are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on November 11, 2023, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.

To be fair, Trillick were excellent in the second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 11, 2023, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 11, 2023, 08:25:22 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 11, 2023, 08:24:58 PMearly shower for Jamie Clarke

Stupid from him
He's easy to rile up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: J70 on November 11, 2023, 08:48:13 PM
Rafferty's glasses look seriously high strength.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on November 11, 2023, 08:48:22 PM
will rte be allowed to show at least one of the provincial finals or are they all tg4.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:51:59 PM
Risking the wrath of BCB but Cross really aren't a patch on previous teams and this crop never will be. Their youth while always there or there abouts in Armagh are nothing special, nowhere near the glory years quality.

I feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end.  Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.

I'm sure they set out this year trying to erase the Ballybay scars of last year, that was probably worse!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.

QuoteNot intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.

QuoteCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.



We don't /aren't

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:51:59 PMI feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end.  Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.

Meh. Frustration doesn't excuse a cowardly box like that.

I doubt he cares but Clarke's career has had "what might have been" written all over it pretty much since he first came on the scene.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 11, 2023, 09:04:16 PM
That was shocking from Clarke. Would call it assault on the street

Peter mccaughey was on rian, done a great job. Although was God said in his analysis, there wasn't much support up front for him, and the ball in was very poor
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 11, 2023, 09:20:13 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross which unfortunately includes officials and referees. There's definitely a hangover in the clubscene from their dominant period, maybe this clouds peoples' opinions of them, they aren't the force they once were. Clann Eireann are probably the strongest club in Armagh and only they thought it was a case of just showing up against Clan na Gael that they were caught out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 09:20:57 PM
Clarke's red was inexplicable, dunno what he was at.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on November 11, 2023, 09:26:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 11, 2023, 08:33:12 PMI'm guessing Cross don't have much experience at coming from behind in their Armagh leagues / championships.

They turned into a an absolute gibbering mess after the 40th minute.

Trillick played well, but they're not as good as Crossmahlen made them look.
they were behind in the quarter final against Armagh harps and a point down at ht in county final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on November 11, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2023, 09:20:13 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross which unfortunately includes officials and referees. There's definitely a hangover in the clubscene from their dominant period, maybe this clouds peoples' opinions of them, they aren't the force they once were. Clann Eireann are probably the strongest club in Armagh and only they thought it was a case of just showing up against Clan na Gael that they were caught out.
Don't necessarily agree with that Clann Eireann won the championship in 2021, they were 6 down and only one side in it Tony Kernan kicks a bad wide the water break comes and they get a couple of goals to win.they lose against mullaghbawn the following year in the first round who subsequently lost in the next round.the first real test they faced this year fell apart when game in melting pot and still have an over reliance on turbitt for scores.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: rodney trotter on November 11, 2023, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 09:20:57 PMClarke's red was inexplicable, dunno what he was at.

He seemed to be boiling over for a while,before the sending off. Probably annoyed with how they were playing, and off the ball stuff

No Score in the second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on November 11, 2023, 09:55:34 PM
Sat down to watch the match with the 2 kids. They left the room after 20 minutes to go play the Xbox. Pure muck despite some top quality forwards being on the pitch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2023, 10:05:11 PM
They missed about 5 or 6 scores of the highest quality in what turned out to be a polished and disciplined performance from Trillick. But hopefully the X Box was enjoyable.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on November 11, 2023, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 11, 2023, 10:05:11 PMThey missed about 5 or 6 scores of the highest quality in what turned out to be a polished and disciplined performance from Trillick. But hopefully the X Box was enjoyable.

I saw it, I know what they missed
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: onefineday on November 12, 2023, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 11, 2023, 09:55:34 PMSat down to watch the match with the 2 kids. They left the room after 20 minutes to go play the Xbox. Pure muck despite some top quality forwards being on the pitch.
Mine more or less the same, called them back in for the dummy solo point though!

I've said it before, club football as currently played is for club supporters and football nerds like us. You can promote all you want, but you're never going to get much of an audience for it and games like that, and no doubt tomorrow's, just reinforce that lack of appeal to anyone flicking through the channels.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 12:28:52 AM
The frightened men from Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Angus MacGyver on November 12, 2023, 07:48:08 AM
RTE as usual presented Crossmaglen as a stellar outfit before the game and in the commentary. lazy thinking based on the jersey colour not the current team.
They were less than dominant in a weak Armagh championship this year, were whipped by Ballybay this time last year, who themselves went no further in '22 and barely avoided relegation this year. Trillick on the other hand saw off a few strong teams in Tyrone including Errigal Ciaran in their own final.
 They were always going to beat a very ordinary Cross team. The well earned mythological status of Crossmaglen teams is over.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mario on November 12, 2023, 08:06:49 AM
Rian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Angus MacGyver on November 12, 2023, 08:10:29 AM
Quote from: Mario on November 12, 2023, 08:06:49 AMRian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.
Great highlights reel, relatively little impact on big games
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AM
If the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 10:18:21 AM
See this isthe sort of thing Armagh Club followers have been telling the numerous Armagh County followers who don't bother with club football to be careful what they wish for with county management.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard

That doesn't make sense but  whatever keeps ya happy...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on November 12, 2023, 07:48:08 AMRTE as usual presented Crossmaglen as a stellar outfit before the game and in the commentary. lazy thinking based on the jersey colour not the current team.
They were less than dominant in a weak Armagh championship this year, were whipped by Ballybay this time last year, who themselves went no further in '22 and barely avoided relegation this year. Trillick on the other hand saw off a few strong teams in Tyrone including Errigal Ciaran in their own final.
 They were always going to beat a very ordinary Cross team. The well earned mythological status of Crossmaglen teams is over.
It is currently suspended.

When heroes are remembered new ones emerge. Don't cry for Crossmaglen. They will be back.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard

That doesn't make sense but  whatever keeps ya happy...
I'm agreeing with you, some of the senior clubs would be in and around St Gall's current level.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on November 12, 2023, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Mario on November 12, 2023, 08:06:49 AMRian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.

He had a bad year overall
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard

That doesn't make sense but  whatever keeps ya happy...
I'm agreeing with you, some of the senior clubs would be in and around St Gall's current level.

I'd say my club is below top intermediate teams, currently, unfortunately.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AM
Little to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 11, 2023, 08:19:17 PM0-4 for Cross (2 from play) in 50 mins of football tells me McGeeney is likely over achieving than under achieving with Armagh. Underage county not strong nor is club senior club football on tonights viewing
Woeful. For all the talk about Rian O'Neill its a long time from he played well
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 08:28:38 PMCross didnt score 2nd half, shocking showing, our favourite mucker James Morgan not playing? Normally be 3 bad tackles and looking at a 2nd yellow at this stage.
Injured.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 11, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:51:59 PMI feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end.  Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.

Meh. Frustration doesn't excuse a cowardly box like that.

I doubt he cares but Clarke's career has had "what might have been" written all over it pretty much since he first came on the scene.
Ability to be as good as anyone that ever came out of Armagh. But just never transpired for various reasons.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: barelegs on November 12, 2023, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.

I think you're seriously under-estimating Trillick's players there. At a quick glance around 9-10 will have played on successful county teams for Tyrone at either minor, U20 or senior. Certainly won't have any fear of anyone left in Ulster
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
rs  On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.

That's simply a nonsense statement. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PM
Cross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 03:06:58 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
rs  On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.

That's simply a nonsense statement. 
Like I said last night
Quote from: general_lee
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.

Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.

Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
Think he's on about Kilcoo.
It's actually one of the things about Cross, they're more a collection of individuals.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
We'd our best period when Cross were winning everything. Honestly think Clann Eireann or even Cullyhanna would have given Trillick a better game.

Trillick won't fear anyone and best if luck to them. Think Kilcoo would be too cute for them though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.

Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
2 class players and the younger brother will be serious in a year or 2 as well. Weren't much use last night but.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 03:24:51 PM
That could easily have bene a red card
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 03:25:37 PM
Surely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 03:25:37 PMSurely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?
i thought so - very dangerous
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.

Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour.  Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.

On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
We'd our best period when Cross were winning everything. Honestly think Clann Eireann or even Cullyhanna would have given Trillick a better game.

Trillick won't fear anyone and best if luck to them. Think Kilcoo would be too cute for them though
Cross won 21 championships in 21 years and Armagh won 1 senior all Ireland which was an underachievement . The correlation is very weak.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 03:36:40 PM
The correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
Scotstown have alot of bigger physical players.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 03:50:42 PM
Scotstown should probably be ahead at HT. Very tight game. Kilcoo getting away with a lot
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 03:25:37 PMSurely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?

Definitely a card, but not red, he sort of half backed out of it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 03:36:40 PMThe correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Yeah those Dromintee teams would have been as good as most teams in the country but just couldn't get past the Cross hoors. ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 04:04:28 PM
Kilcoo v An Bhoth 4 points each. #Jaysus
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 04:06:26 PM
What club are you from Armagh18? You're not a Cross man looking at your posting history.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 03:36:40 PMThe correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Yeah those Dromintee teams would have been as good as most teams in the country but just couldn't get past the Cross hoors. ;)
Tyrone won 4 all Irelands since 02 because their championship is competitive.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PM
Club football is a terrible terrible watch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:20 PM
Weather, what's at stake plus the defending tactics make it a poor spectacle. But it's tense
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
its awful defensive. Soft enough penalty
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:50 PM
Not sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:50 PMNot sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.

Yeah they had him bottled up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 04:16:57 PM
Thought the Kilcoo player bought the penalty as he went down very easily.
Kilcoo have done well out of the referee today.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:17:12 PM
ref beginning to lose it. Gives a bad throw up and knows he's messed up so he just scotstown a free for nothing to balance the books
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:17:24 PM
Football on Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan always a bit shite to watch, heavy ground, ball never bounces right,
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 04:18:34 PM
Was a penalty all day long, the player that came in at the end was head height.. the Kilcoo player made the ref make a decision
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 12, 2023, 04:19:51 PM
Thought Scotstown were beginning to get a grip on the game, but a soft enough penalty has swung the control back to Kilcoo now. 3 pts can be a big lead in this sort of game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 12, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
Kilcoo are getting away with a serious amount of over carrying.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 12, 2023, 04:26:39 PM
It's like pass the parcel and the Pause button is broke
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:27:43 PM
Kilcoo getting their frees a lot handier
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PM
It was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PMIt was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
After he took 8 steps?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: full moon on November 12, 2023, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
Gaelic football in general is now, now wonder crowds are down. But yes club is really gone difficult to bother with, neutral attendance is very low now.

Needs big change, especially about the tackle, handpassing and possession negative stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PMIt was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
After he took 8 steps?

Pffft. Steps.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 12, 2023, 04:36:55 PM
Beggan has been huge in this 2nd half, Scotstown turning it on now

Man down now isn't great though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PMIt was definite penalty, easy decision for ref

It was needless, as they had the man surrounded, there was no need to clatter him.
Beggan is a great asset when the pressure is on.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
Serious contribution from Beggan in about 60 seconds there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 12, 2023, 04:39:43 PM
Johnstone hit the deck as soon as he caught that ball
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 12, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Serious point from the mark from Hughes there, I wouldn't have backed him tbh

Beggan for the win now....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on November 12, 2023, 04:42:07 PM
A real drama finish. 1-8 to 0-12 Scotstown win with a Beggan free in the 6th minutes of added time.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 12, 2023, 04:42:14 PM
Beggan is some man, what a baller
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 12, 2023, 04:42:55 PM
Some kick from Beggan.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Nanderson on November 12, 2023, 04:43:00 PM
No idea what Ryan McEvoy was trying to do there at the end. Should have just held possession as the whistle was about to blow
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2023, 04:43:19 PM
That is a seriously f**king ballsy comeback. Nerves of steel all around.

Not many will miss kilcoo.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 12, 2023, 04:43:36 PM
What a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
  I actually really enjoyed the the second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:44:02 PM
what a finish.... scotstown deserved it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 04:44:10 PM
Some kick by Beggan to win it. Bit of karma too for the Kilcoo full back who kicked away the possession that resulted in the free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 12, 2023, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 12, 2023, 04:43:36 PMWhat a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
  I actually really enjoyed the the second half.

Agreed... What a player. Great finish
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PM
I was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.

Well done the Monaghan men.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:45:21 PM
Second half was great, no matter what some on here would say. 2 great scores at the death for scotstown
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:46:13 PM
You only think Armagh going out on penalties is a tough way to go, at least you got a chance, in the gods with a long range free the difference.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 04:48:50 PM
Great game, dunno what some people expect. Scotstown showed some serious balls there, can have a tendency to self sabotage on the big days, always there with a chance but manage to mess it up, pulled it out of the fire today. Began was superb, N6 Donal Morgan MOTM - is he even on the County team?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2023, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 12, 2023, 04:43:19 PMThat is a seriously f**king ballsy comeback. Nerves of steel all around.

Not many will miss kilcoo.

Certainly won't after their carry on with the choice of referee in their County Final.  Scotstowns ballsy in the image of the Monaghan county senior team.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.

Well done the Monaghan men.

Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
Good riddance to Kilcoo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on November 12, 2023, 04:52:22 PM
Beggan's earlier point from play must have been at least 70 yds out, at a time when scores were hard to come by. Delighted for scotstown, always supported Kilcoo, but they ruined their reputaion with squalid tactics over the last few years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 04:48:50 PMGreat game, dunno what some people expect. Scotstown showed some serious balls there, can have a tendency to self sabotage on the big days, always there with a chance but manage to mess it up, pulled it out of the fire today. Began was superb, N6 Donal Morgan MOTM - is he even on the County team?

Used to be. I'd say he's well into his 30's now, 37/38. Some balls shown by Scotstown. Might be their year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:53:48 PM
Ahhhh you love to see it. Glorious.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 04:56:34 PM
Enjoyed that. Scotstown will be hard beat. Thought when McCarron missed that handy free they were in bother but hats off to them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:57:30 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.

Well done the Monaghan men.

Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Brannigan (7) was playing great for Kilcoo but wasnt the same after that shoulder that Darren Hughes put on him. It was perfectly legal too.

Hard to feel sprry for Kilcoo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:57:30 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.

Well done the Monaghan men.

Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Brannigan (7) was playing great for Kilcoo but wasnt the same after that shoulder that Darren Hughes put on him. It was perfectly legal too.

Hard to feel sprry for Kilcoo
Great hit. Couldnt happen to a nicer fella.

That was unreal from big Hughes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: 5times5times on November 12, 2023, 04:59:34 PM
Justice after kilcoo dive for the penalty.

Ol tights brannigan wasn't the same after hughes put him in the canal.

What was kilcoo FB thinking of at the end? Idiotic stuff.

Beggan. Wow. What else is there to say? Best in the country. End of
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ardtole on November 12, 2023, 05:00:32 PM
I thought Darren Hughes was motm. He was excellent particularly when Kilcoo were 3 or 4 ahead.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: full moon on November 12, 2023, 05:06:48 PM
Outstanding by Beggan at the end

Naomh Conaill 4 up at HT Vs Gowna. They have a strong blanket defence though and Gowna aren't playing well, be surprised if NC through his away now.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:50 PMNot sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.

Yeah, 3 men around  him and it's a silly attempt at a tackle more than anything else.

Deserved a penalty just for silliness.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
Gaelic football in general is now, now wonder crowds are down. But yes club is really gone difficult to bother with, neutral attendance is very low now.

Needs big change, especially about the tackle, handpassing and possession negative stuff.

Hard to say that crowds are down.

I think as every game streamed now, people buy it and watch it on tv I think.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:45:21 PMSecond half was great, no matter what some on here would say. 2 great scores at the death for scotstown

Same as last night.

Two really enjoyable swcond halfs.

Entertaining.

I couldn't see Scotstown coming back after the penalty but fair play to them. Hung in there and took their chances.

Kilcoo surpried me at the end. A bit panicky on the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:52:14 PMGood riddance to Kilcoo

Yeah, after the referee saga, glad they're gone. Karma.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: mrdeeds on November 12, 2023, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 05:06:48 PMOutstanding by Beggan at the end

Naomh Conaill 4 up at HT Vs Gowna. They have a strong blanket defence though and Gowna aren't playing well, be surprised if NC through his away now.

Level now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Rossfan on November 12, 2023, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:52:14 PMGood riddance to Kilcoo

Yeah, after the referee saga, glad they're gone. Karma.

+1

An Bhoth never had so many supporters😁
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 12, 2023, 05:52:11 PM
I had to stop watching the game at ht so misssed the best of it, I guess this result has seen Scotstown also  defeat destiny :)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2023, 05:53:13 PM
Was slapping the stand and shouting UTM for an hour not enough to see the magpies over the line? You love to see it. Well done Scotstown.

Glen, Cullyhanna, Arva for me now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PM
Naomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 05:57:46 PM
See what happens Kilcoo when they don't get to pick their own referee?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on November 12, 2023, 05:58:36 PM
Gowna 1-10 Naomh Conaill 2-08

Kevin McGettigan goal in the 3rd minute of added time wins it for the men from Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on November 12, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Defeat of Kilcoo is something that does the impossible, unites almost all of Ulster GAA.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on November 12, 2023, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?

Gowna really blew it there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI/status/1723758797875753072?t=ACZRvfEAHXe-zrSwRmjicA&s=19

Kilcoo kicking it away like that is quite reminiscent of the Kilmacud keeper hoofing it away the year they won the AI. Did he think it was on the blow or something and smashed it in frustration?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on November 12, 2023, 06:01:02 PM
Gowna's naivety lost them that game. They had done enough to win. Caught on the break a few times during the game as well.

Its a bit of a trend with Cavan club teams at senior level who struggle to have that nouse to close out games. In contrast to Scotstown today.

Very young Gowna side and a win today would have been massive for their development. But thats two heartbreaks in two years now, a loss on penalities v Enniskillen last year. Will take character to come back from that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:02:10 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
They stole it but Gowna really should have defended better and had a line ball that was thrown up

Naomh Conaill were very negative with a blanket defence and very beatable, they won't go much further
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Gowna blew it. Keeper at fault for first goal and a few bad kickouts. Gowna better over the hour to overturn 4 point half time deficit, and threw it away with that last second goal. I had thought Gowna would be better, but that's life as they're out now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:02:10 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
They stole it but Gowna really should have defended better and had a line ball that was thrown up

Naomh Conaill were very negative with a blanket defence and very beatable, they won't go much further
Yep they should defended it better. NC not great and will be beatable by who's left. Gowna will be ruing this one
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 12, 2023, 06:14:30 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2023, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 12, 2023, 04:43:36 PMWhat a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
  I actually really enjoyed the the second half.

Agreed... What a player. Great finish

He'd be playing out the field for an awful lot of clubs and still be one of their best players.

Got to say after watching that, out of the two teams i could only see Scotstown putting up a meaningful challenge to Glen(should Scotstown progress against Trillick).
    Glen would choke the life out of Kilcoo, same as last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 12, 2023, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2023, 05:53:13 PMWas slapping the stand and shouting UTM for an hour not enough to see the magpies over the line? You love to see it. Well done Scotstown.

Glen, Cullyhanna, Arva for me now
Was a single magpie sort of day for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: mrdeeds on November 12, 2023, 07:25:33 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end

Gowna will be back. A ridiculously young team. 9 or 10 starters 21 or younger.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Where would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.

They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2023, 08:02:43 PM
Echoing the sentiments of the whole country (except anyone from Kilcoo) I was very glad to see them get knocked out.

The advanced mark though is absolutely shite in its current form. There was no real skill involved in that cross field pass to Hughes that he caught easily. Yes he nailed the kick and it was a great score but it  just feels wrong that he gets a free for something not patirculary skilful and definitely not in the spirit of the rule.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Itchy on November 12, 2023, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2023, 08:02:43 PMEchoing the sentiments of the whole country (except anyone from Kilcoo) I was very glad to see them get knocked out.

The advanced mark though is absolutely shite in its current form. There was no real skill involved in that cross field pass to Hughes that he caught easily. Yes he nailed the kick and it was a great score but it  just feels wrong that he gets a free for something not patirculary skilful and definitely not in the spirit of the rule.

True but the lesson is mark your man not filter men back into mark space. I'm delighted that's how they were bet. Shower of whingers
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PM
I'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.

They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html



Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saul goodman on November 12, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.

Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown

I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.

They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html



Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

Think he means have a shot on goal not doing a 20m pass
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark

Yeah that's what I mean.

The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.

I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on November 12, 2023, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 12, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.

Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown

I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.

They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html



Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.

Am I right in saying both clubs are Fermanagh border clubs?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark

Yeah that's what I mean.

The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.

I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:48:24 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark

Yeah that's what I mean.

The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.

I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it

Practice?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:13:49 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark

Yeah that's what I mean.

The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.

I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it

Practice?
technique, skill? Some strike
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on November 12, 2023, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.

It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.

Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked

He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark

Yeah that's what I mean.

The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.

I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Amazing score, and at a crucial time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 10:38:18 PM
The power he generates from the ground or that one from his hands is unreal, technique won't matter a jot without the power under the hood tho.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: LaurelEye on November 13, 2023, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
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Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one

Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end

2017 the other half of the parish had Loman's on the ropes in a quarter-final, four ahead at the start of stoppage time, and a promising path for Leinster as the then-favourites were being beaten in the other quarter-finals, and we managed to lose it somehow. Still don't know how exactly, six years later. You wouldn't want to have been in that dressing room afterwards.

2018 we got up, started again, and finished the job. This Gowna team are, I think, good enough to do the same.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Angus MacGyver on November 13, 2023, 08:21:54 AM
Beggan can have some dodgy moments as a keeper, but then there are times he does things on a pitch that look near-impossble. He is an iconic figure in the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: FermPundit on November 14, 2023, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 12, 2023, 09:36:27 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?

Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.

Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown

I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.

They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html



Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.

Am I right in saying both clubs are Fermanagh border clubs?

Correct. Part of Kilskeery Parish (Trillick) is in Co. Fermanagh, Coa being the Fermanagh club, and Scotstown borders Roslea parish
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2023, 03:08:36 PM
Is that the end of  Kilcoo ? Would it be better for Down to have them back in the pack?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 04:07:55 PM
Doubt it given they tanked every team in Down and Derrygonnelly as well and were beaten by a very good Scotstown team at the death.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 04:21:42 PM
You'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.

9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
You'd near think its a mental thing with Burren at this stage. They have the players although it'll take those under 20's a few years to peak. Near sure they won an Ulster club minor 6 or 7 years ago, how many of those are still playing?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 05:02:28 PM
Not sure how many are playing now but that was 2016.

See that Glen won 4 in a row before that at Ulster Minor. Incredible work must been done at that club
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PM
Why would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 06:12:09 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 05:02:28 PMNot sure how many are playing now but that was 2016.

See that Glen won 4 in a row before that at Ulster Minor. Incredible work must been done at that club
Think Liam Kerr was on that team. They'd all be hitting their prime years now so you'd imagine Burren will be looking to get to be top dogs in Down soon
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: downtothecore on November 14, 2023, 06:25:21 PM
What is happening in Cross?. They looked miles off it again in ulster this year. I expected a big push from them this year but the manner of their defeat doesn't look good for a challenge attempt on ulster in the coming years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 06:37:19 PM
Not sure if its a lack of competition in Armagh or what. Although their last Ulster in 2015 they walked Armagh. I know the quality isn't what it was in their glory days but any team with 2x O'Neills, Clarke, McConville, Hughes and Cumiskey should be doing a lot better. None of them turned up the other night bar Jamie. Hard to put your finger on it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: skat man on November 14, 2023, 06:48:16 PM
do they use in house management all the time ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 07:41:21 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 04:21:42 PMYou'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.

9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.

Glen won 4 in-a-row Ulster Minor titles I think.

Takes a good few years to brink them through.  Maybe 6 or 7 years to bring them through.

Glen have done a good job of that in fairness.  Every club should look at that underage development and use it as a template.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 07:41:21 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 04:21:42 PMYou'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.

9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.

Glen won 4 in-a-row Ulster Minor titles I think.

Takes a good few years to brink them through.  Maybe 6 or 7 years to bring them through.

Glen have done a good job of that in fairness.  Every club should look at that underage development and use it as a template.

It's about maintaining it....

We won 5 in a row at minor and under 21 in Antrim, trying to keep possibly 60 odd players during that period happy at not getting starting places on a senior team!

But in fairness that's what ya need to mount a serious challenge at the club series
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.
at the last? Jesus looked at free all day to me
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 14, 2023, 10:14:55 PM
Only beat by a point so going nowhere soon. That being said Lavery aging probably not going to help them as he was a serious player on his day (a diving wee bollocks yes but fantastic footballer). Really they won down at a canter and have obviously got inside a lot of the oppositions heads with the way a number of their games panned out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 14, 2023, 06:48:16 PMdo they use in house management all the time ?
Yeah. Don't think they've ever had an outsider as far as I remember anyway. I'd say theres a fella thats just hung the boots up in the last few days who'll be in that hotseat within the next few years.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could.  Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could.  Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team. 

Scotstown just edged them with the last kick of the game.

They're still top dogs in Down, beat Derrygonnelly handy enough, so they'll be there or there abouts next yesr again I think.

They just got caught at the death. I wouldn't write them off by that. It's not as if the Monaghan lads beat them by 10 pts.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: snoopdog on November 15, 2023, 08:44:27 AM
Kilcoo will cruise Down again next year and will still be close in Ulster. Scotstown are a very good side. Just look at the names on the team sheet. There wasn't much last year between Kilcoo and Glen in the final. Had kilcoo scored their penalty before HT the result might have been different and Glen should've won the All Ireland. Some really good teams in Ulster. Scotstown v Trillick should be another close game. With the likes of Kilmacud or corofin most likely coming out of their provinces it makes for a very interesting all Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on November 15, 2023, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was a free all day long. He had a hold of his shorts at one stage and it's a free whether that's the 1st minute out the field, or the 65th minute where it was. Thought the penalty was correct too as you can't come at a man like that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2023, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 14, 2023, 06:48:16 PMdo they use in house management all the time ?
Yeah. Don't think they've ever had an outsider as far as I remember anyway. I'd say theres a fella thats just hung the boots up in the last few days who'll be in that hotseat within the next few years.

Have often had external fitness coaches and trainers but never an outside manager. Something to be proud of in many ways but I suppose historically there's always been fairly qualified people to stand up to the job.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: DownFanatic on November 15, 2023, 09:22:27 AM
Kilcoo were superb this year in Down at times. Looked as strong as they'd ever been. You have to remember that they were without one of the most deadliest finishers in the province, Jerome Johnston, and the physical power of Dylan Ward at midfield. They were two huge losses. That's why so much credit must go to Scotstown because they've beat a seriously strong team. The standard in Ulster is high and it can only but set up the provincial winners for a good stab at the Andy Merrigan.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 15, 2023, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 06:37:19 PMNot sure if its a lack of competition in Armagh or what. Although their last Ulster in 2015 they walked Armagh. I know the quality isn't what it was in their glory days but any team with 2x O'Neills, Clarke, McConville, Hughes and Cumiskey should be doing a lot better. None of them turned up the other night bar Jamie. Hard to put your finger on it.
Apart from all the politics that has been going on behind the scenes:

Haven't got a solid no1 between the sticks - especially one that can play a bit of ball and act as a 1+.
They parachuted in a 37 year old at full back. Not to say he hasn't done a decent job, but they must be lacking either options or faith in the youth conveyor belt if he's no1 option.
AK as good as he has been all these years probably over-stayed slightly. It's hard to tell exactly what his role was at times the last year or so - probably keeping a younger lad out or the team that would do no different to what he was doing.
Oisin has been out for ages and doesn't look at full fitness yet.
Rian looks like he doesn't give a shit half the time. He's been pretty average for Cross this year (by his own very high standards)
Jamie Clarke is almost guaranteed to get carded every match. Don't understand the decision to have him captain either.

All the above is fine to a certain extent, nothing really any other club would be dealing with. It's certainly manageable when negotiating past the limp resistance of the likes of Sarsfields, Mullaghbawn etc in the Armagh championship.

But when it comes to a proper tilt at Ulster you need to be on it and Cross still seem to be struggling with the transition from their old (arrogant) kicking style to the more defensive approach.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saul goodman on November 15, 2023, 03:07:54 PM
Trillick v Scotstown is in Armagh

Glenties v glen is in Omagh I am hearing
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: FearCrua8 on November 15, 2023, 04:18:59 PM
Glen v Glenties 5.30pm Healy Park live on RTE

Trillick v Scotstown 1pm Athletic Grounds live on TG4

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 15, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 15, 2023, 04:18:59 PMGlen v Glenties 5.30pm Healy Park live on RTE

Trillick v Scotstown 1pm Athletic Grounds live on TG4



The Naomh Conaill men wouldn't be overly keen on Glenties as their club name.. Its like putting up Maghera v Glenties
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: thebuzz on November 15, 2023, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could.  Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team. 

Scotstown just edged them with the last kick of the game.

They're still top dogs in Down, beat Derrygonnelly handy enough, so they'll be there or there abouts next yesr again I think.

They just got caught at the death. I wouldn't write them off by that. It's not as if the Monaghan lads beat them by 10 pts.
Yeah they got caught at the death in the same way they caught Glen at the death the year they won the All Ireland. I'd be very surprised if they don't win Down next year and be back into Ulster again.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 15, 2023, 08:26:24 PM
Long run for Trillick for a 1pm start. Thought Enniskillen would have got that match. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ONeill on November 15, 2023, 10:16:23 PM
The could stay overnight in safe houses in Blackwatertown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AM
Has any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ? 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 16, 2023, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.


I thought it was a clear free at the end. Kilcoo player clearly was on the wrong side of Hughes and the cross field ball was under hit to him. He pulled Hughes back.

No complaints from the Down lads.

My take on it was Hughes put his hand in air to signal Beggan to come up and hit it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: FearCrua8 on November 16, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 15, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 15, 2023, 04:18:59 PMGlen v Glenties 5.30pm Healy Park live on RTE

Trillick v Scotstown 1pm Athletic Grounds live on TG4



The Naomh Conaill men wouldn't be overly keen on Glenties as their club name.. Its like putting up Maghera v Glenties

Should I apologise in Irish or English?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2023, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 16, 2023, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.


I thought it was a clear free at the end. Kilcoo player clearly was on the wrong side of Hughes and the cross field ball was under hit to him. He pulled Hughes back.

No complaints from the Down lads.

My take on it was Hughes put his hand in air to signal Beggan to come up and hit it.

It was a blatant free - it was a tired tackle and yeah pretty sure that's what Hughes was doing. Not sure how anyone wouldn't see that as a free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 16, 2023, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.


Calling for a mark? You'd need to watch it again.

https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1723758797875753072?s=46
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2023, 10:55:24 AM
Think he just puts his hands out, to calm it down and bring up the keeper..


The Kilcoo lads didn't react, the Kilcoo player was completely tackling from the wrong side so easy enough free to give.

The ramifications of the free are different, but its a free in the first minute and a free in the last..

Rory gets some height in that free!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Dreadnought on November 16, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ? 
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ? 
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see

Inaugural winners of the Lory Meagher cup in hurling too
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Link on November 16, 2023, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.


Stonewall pen. Needless over aggression from hughes.

There was no mark, he knew for certain it was a free and wanted beggan to hit it. I think the linesman was smiling as he was trying to steal yards.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: SHEEDY on November 16, 2023, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: Link on November 16, 2023, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players  plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.


I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however  that was about 55m out near the sideline.

That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw  Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo  player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
 In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him  grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.


Stonewall pen. Needless over aggression from hughes.

There was no mark, he knew for certain it was a free and wanted beggan to hit it. I think the linesman was smiling as he was trying to steal yards.
100% agree, definite free and a definite penalty, can't see how there would be any complaints over either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PM
Goes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ? 
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see

Inaugural winners of the Lory Meagher cup in hurling too

GRMA

Scotstown winning the All Ireland would be special too.

An rud is annamh is íontach
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.

People see what they want to see....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2023, 09:23:14 PM
I could maybe understand why someone might not think that was a penalty but the kilcoo fella even knew he'd fouled hughes. You won't see many more clear cut frees.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 16, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2023, 09:23:14 PMI could maybe understand why someone might not think that was a penalty but the kilcoo fella even knew he'd fouled hughes. You won't see many more clear cut frees.
Penalty probably could have gone either way, went down handy but silly challenge to make as they had him surrounded. Hughes one was clear cut, he was gone and your man grabbed a hold of him
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 11:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
On the contrary, in the past I have admired and applauded Noel's refereeing even when he was criticized here and in this game I have already remarked here that he had a good game, has anyone else written that?


To me the contact on Hughes was minimal and he broke free easy enough, that's just my opinion.
I would've thought the accepted scenario is the ref plays on or plays advantage.
Around the 11th minute, a Kilcoo player safe in possession on the Scotstown 20m line was covered by 2 defenders when a third  Scotstown player (nr 2) came in and floored him with a punch (or equivalent), play on says the ref who was well positioned, though I have croc tears for the Kilcoo player he was clearly poleaxed, out for the count. 
Would anyone here have disagreed had there been a very scorable  free awarded and a yellow or worse card dished out?  yet for minimal contact foul incidents all are shouting foul with such clarity. Imo the last free for Kilcoo, the  player totally dived, maybe  5% contact 95% dive.
Perhaps yes I am confused between minimal contact fouls which are applauded here with such certainty compared to blatant hits which are not penalised.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Nanderson on November 17, 2023, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 11:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
On the contrary, in the past I have admired and applauded Noel's refereeing even when he was criticized here and in this game I have already remarked here that he had a good game, has anyone else written that?


To me the contact on Hughes was minimal and he broke free easy enough, that's just my opinion.
I would've thought the accepted scenario is the ref plays on or plays advantage.
Around the 11th minute, a Kilcoo player safe in possession on the Scotstown 20m line was covered by 2 defenders when a third  Scotstown player (nr 2) came in and floored him with a punch (or equivalent), play on says the ref who was well positioned, though I have croc tears for the Kilcoo player he was clearly poleaxed, out for the count. 
Would anyone here have disagreed had there been a very scorable  free awarded and a yellow or worse card dished out?  yet for minimal contact foul incidents all are shouting foul with such clarity. Imo the last free for Kilcoo, the  player totally dived, maybe  5% contact 95% dive.
Perhaps yes I am confused between minimal contact fouls which are applauded here with such certainty compared to blatant hits which are not penalised.
I've highlighted the issue here. There is no rule that differentiates between the degree of contact. If a player doesn't make a genuine attempt to play the ball it doesn't matter how light or heavy the contact is it is a foul by the rules.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2023, 07:39:26 AM
The only physical contact allowed in GAA is?

Anything after that is deemed a foul
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:45:44 PM
No harm to Hurson, but that lad was dragged down there trying to shoot,should been a easy call.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
Glen lads not know what a mark is,  there 3 they not took
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:58:04 PM
Hurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:58:04 PMHurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.

Yip should have been hop ball


Glass having some game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:02:19 PM
Glen players especially their defenders don't understand what a mark us, Warnock had a easy one there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:58:04 PMHurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.

He went down very easy for a big lad.. hate bluffers
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 25, 2023, 06:04:43 PM
Enjoyable enough game. Glen not looking like potential All Ireland winners it has to be said, but they do like a bit of a 2nd half surge
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 06:05:13 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:02:19 PMGlen players especially their defenders don't understand what a mark us, Warnock had a easy one there.

To be fair there was space in front of him and his shot wasn't a mile wide
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:06:39 PM
Glen should be out sight, they have a very bad habit of keeping teams in it, J Doherty not there is a big different, but I can't understand why Warnock not No.6 and McFaul up front, he's badly needed there, and either of the McDermotts can play defence. Glen looked better last year, biggest issue is up front, they 2 men short there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:10:12 PM
See Milltown thats u problem, on another thread u taking about a foul been a foul no matter the degree of contact, yet that one was so obviously but nothing to see here. Plus the obvious drag down early on. People are frustrated with Refs, when they miss the simple, easy ones in front of them, and u sit wondering why there so much ho ha with the tighter calls. .
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:21:42 PM
That one horseshit! Lad fell back trying to buy one,
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:10:12 PMSee Milltown thats u problem, on another thread u taking about a foul been a foul no matter the degree of contact, yet that one was so obviously but nothing to see here. Plus the obvious drag down early on. People are frustrated with Refs, when they miss the simple, easy ones in front of them, and u sit wondering why there so much ho ha with the tighter calls. .

It's was a free and if we started hopping the ball for every pushing and shoving after a free it'll be hop balls all the time.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
Two atrocious decisions.

First for free against mcGuckian and then the penalty against the same lad
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
It was a shoulder into the back, not a push.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PM
Hurson having an absolute shocker.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.

Gave Glen a handy one there
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 25, 2023, 06:28:04 PM
McFaul non existent, needs to get into it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
But that was so obvious not even a free, McGuckin in front of him, and the big lad thrown himself up legs in the air.Then McGuckin fell over him. Before the ball was even in,then the Glenties lads all started shouting, actually looked pre planned. So what were the Umpires looking at?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:31:28 PM
McFaul, as previously say, should be up front, not in Defence.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:34:12 PM
Another awful miss.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.

Gave Glen a handy one there

You think a shoulder in the back is OK, so forgive me if I don't take you seriously
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:38:52 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.

Gave Glen a handy one there

You think a shoulder in the back is OK, so forgive me if I don't take you seriously

Not talking about that one, free just past the 40, player barely touched him and the Glen man missed the free
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:41:50 PM
Glen forwards very poor!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:43:17 PM
McGuckian good for a dive
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:43:17 PMMcGuckian good for a dive

Your man clipped him for good measure
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:46:58 PM
Is that not a black card for Glen keeper? Surely if its a foul its a black card?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:48:11 PM
Shooting has been abysmal
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:48:20 PM
Glen must have missed at least 5+ points in this game. They been very poor the night.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:50:26 PM
19 misses a handy mark then scores a wordlie. What a man lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 06:53:15 PM
Jaysus, the Glenties man dropping the ball off the kick out was very costly, couldn't have happened at a worse time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:53:27 PM
Cruel way to lose. NC deserved to get to extra time. Glen will need to improve.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Glen lucky enough

Same time I thought the pen was tame
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 06:54:17 PM
Bad aul game, Glen well off what you would expect of them. Would need a big improvement for the final you'd imagine
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:54:59 PM
If the NC player had not have lay down at the end the ref would have blown on 3 mins
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 25, 2023, 06:55:27 PM
Naomh Conall deserved a crack at extra time. Hope whoever wins tomorrow goes onto win the Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:57:35 PM
Don't care who wins as long as they beat that Man City Kilmacud team ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on November 25, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
You can't imagine Glen will be as bad the next day. However they've big problens up front.
   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PM
Glen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PMGlen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.
Not a chance. Be no more than a few scores either way.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:03:10 PM
There none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 07:04:26 PM
Not sure if possession stats but they controlled the game but generally in Ulster club there's never too many big scoring games or much between them at the end come semi finals, be same tomorrow
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 25, 2023, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PMGlen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.

Tbf good teams make their own luck.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PM
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 07:12:05 PM
Jealousy an awful thing?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?

Ethan never got an all star.

Glass was outstanding in first half.

Advanced mark is there to be used. Not glens fault it is in operation.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 25, 2023, 07:14:58 PM
Closer than expected but Glen will have learnt a lot more from that competitive contest than winning pulling up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:31:39 PM
Thought Glass played rightly. He's not the problem they have.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:33:05 PM
Nobody was made of bigger chocolate than the Glenties full back.!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?

Don't think Oso is a fan
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 08:19:31 PM
Games at this time of the year are won by a team generally able to score 13-14 scores. It's rare to get much higher than that. Glen will be happy enough. In a final, haven't really played that well but still have loads in the tank.  They know how to win it whereas neither Trillick nor Scotstown do,  though the latter have a team who have been in the final before. Still think Glen win the final but not by more than 2-3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 25, 2023, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 08:19:31 PMGames at this time of the year are won by a team generally able to score 13-14 scores. It's rare to get much higher than that. Glen will be happy enough. In a final, haven't really played that well but still have loads in the tank.  They know how to win it whereas neither Trillick nor Scotstown do,  though the latter have a team who have been in the final before. Still think Glen win the final but not by more than 2-3

Be a very tight final. I don't think it will matter as both them teams have huge experience
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 25, 2023, 08:32:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?

Ethan never got an all star.

Glass was outstanding in first half.

Advanced mark is there to be used. Not glens fault it is in operation.

Apologies meant to type all star nomination but I stand corrected on that, because he wasn't nominated - rightly so.

Glass was outstanding? Really??? How so? I missed that part, read a few kick outs but are we lauding him for that alone?

I never implied the advanced mark was Glen's invention. But to be rewarded with a free kick at goal for merely being able to catch a ball unopposed as a senior footballer is just daft.  Can you not see that? My observation was about the rule and the fact that Glen murdered it tonight and demonstrated why it needs to be done away with.

Posters get very parochial on here, and GAA fans in general. Everything has to be sour grapes or jelousy as people make fools of themselves defending their own just because they're their own. I

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be, and I believe the advanced mark is a daft rule as exemplified this evening. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 25, 2023, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?

Don't think Oso is a fan

I'm not a fan of watching that kind of football - anyone who is a fan of watching grown men get a free kick at goal for being able to catch a ball unopposed (basically being able to execute one of the fundamental skills of the game) needs to review what they want to get out of gaelic football.

And I'm not a fan of rolling around holding your face/head when you weren't touched on it and diving for frees.

Maybe you are.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 08:39:32 PM
Agree re the advanced mark. A scourge on the game. It and the black card need gone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 08:43:34 PM
Very poor from both teams. Glen probably the better side but youd hardly know it from that performance. Glass was poor, as was Ethan Doherty.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.

Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.

Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.

Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?

Don't think Oso is a fan

I'm not a fan of watching that kind of football - anyone who is a fan of watching grown men get a free kick at goal for being able to catch a ball unopposed (basically being able to execute one of the fundamental skills of the game) needs to review what they want to get out of gaelic football.

And I'm not a fan of rolling around holding your face/head when you weren't touched on it and diving for frees.

Maybe you are.

I love this shit. Quite simply do all/most teams not play this way now?

I see more and more rolling around/playacting

Finally, if Glen aren't a good team, who are? Tis a high bar you set my friend
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 08:54:50 PM
Glen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: statto on November 25, 2023, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:03:10 PMThere none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Scotstown were very good agai at kilcoo would expect them get over trillick tomorrow.Scotstown with age profile of some of their players would need to get an Ulster in next year or two if going to do it. Corofin quietly going about their business in the west. Not impressed with glen at all don't think they have the forwards to win all ireland.11 points against 14 men last day and 10 points tonight, lack of goals/looking like getting goals bound be a worry.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 08:59:39 PM
Yer man talkin about diving, he must have missed the pen
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: statto on November 25, 2023, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:03:10 PMThere none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Scotstown were very good agai at kilcoo would expect them get over trillick tomorrow.Scotstown with age profile of some of their players would need to get an Ulster in next year or two if going to do it. Corofin quietly going about their business in the west. Not impressed with glen at all don't think they have the forwards to win all ireland.11 points against 14 men last day and again tonight, lack of goals/looking like getting goals bound be a worry.

I'd thought Scotstown's window for success outside Monaghan had passed. But adding McCarron into the mix (who traditionally is best in winter football), the Hughes's still performing strong, and Beggan & McCarthy playing as good as they ever have - and they have a team that can perform to a very high level when they're on form. They have a rake of key county players, and a handful of others who have been around the panel and on underage teams. On paper they're a very strong club side, but they haven't always clicked when push came to shove. Maybe this is the year but we'll see soon enough.

Mind you some would say this would be expected of a club of their size and pick, but that's a debate for another thread...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PM
It's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .

In fact it's hardly been mentioned.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 09:15:08 PM
He moved down the road, Walsh moved a no.of counties away.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 25, 2023, 09:16:12 PM
Is that not worse?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .

In fact it's hardly been mentioned.


Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.

Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .

In fact it's hardly been mentioned.


Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.

Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.

Did he not try when he was younger but there was a huge kick up at that stage so he backed down? 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .

In fact it's hardly been mentioned.


Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.

Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.

Did he not try when he was younger but there was a huge kick up at that stage so he backed down? 

Could be, can't remember details but that rings a bell.

My theory is that Dick wouldn't let him transfer when he was still playing! Currin had some success at lower levels, which would have been tougher without Jack.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 25, 2023, 09:35:04 PM
Opening a beer soon, need to hear more from Oso. 'Oso's Opinions... '
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 25, 2023, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 08:54:50 PMGlen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic

Well I'd expect you to follow the narrative anyway.

I said a team of runners but average footballers. I keep hearing  excuses for them not being able to kick scores, off day in front of the post, but if they'd taken their chances etc, etc. Maybe, when there's pressure on they're just not good enough to take the scores.  And we keep getting told they're timing it til they peak etc.

Maybe judge it on merit.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: GTP on November 25, 2023, 09:57:13 PM
Forward and defensive mark should be banished from the sport.
Glen are in the top 2 in Ulster so cannot be bang average.
I don't think refs buy most of the rolling around so not sure why players keep at it. They must watch games back and be embarrassed.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 10:03:31 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 08:54:50 PMGlen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic

Well I'd expect you to follow the narrative anyway.

I said a team of runners but average footballers. I keep hearing  excuses for them not being able to kick scores, off day in front of the post, but if they'd taken their chances etc, etc. Maybe, when there's pressure on they're just not good enough to take the scores.  And we keep getting told they're timing it til they peak etc.

Maybe judge it on merit.

What's that say about the teams they have duffed theses last couple of years if they are poor enough?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 25, 2023, 10:47:57 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but what a game of small margins.

The failed catch at the end by NC player.... he almost turned around expecting the break to be gone but then realised he could of had it and then Glen nicked it when it was loose and go down to kick the winner.

Unlucky NC. Great effort.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 25, 2023, 10:47:57 PMNot sure if it's been mentioned but what a game of small margins.

The failed catch at the end by NC player.... he almost turned around expecting the break to be gone but then realised he could of had it and then Glen nicked it when it was loose and go down to kick the winner.

Unlucky NC. Great effort.
Yeah felt for him there but thats the fine margins at this level, sometimes you get the rub of the green sometimes you don't. Looking forward to the other semi and final, should be 2 good close games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 11:58:51 PM
As close as it was, maybe a reality check is needed, Glen I thought were awful, compared to some games I seen them play this year. Glenties couldn't mount a score to the 20+ minute. Got a penalty gifted to them,Glen a penalty or def free denied, think he was inside, when pulled back, outside of Thompson they offered very little else.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 11:58:51 PMAs close as it was, maybe a reality check is needed, Glen I thought were awful, compared to some games I seen them play this year. Glenties couldn't mount a score to the 20+ minute. Got a penalty gifted to them,Glen a penalty or def free denied, think he was inside, when pulled back, outside of Thompson they offered very little else.

Sometimes teams play poorly because the opposition nullify them. Credit to NC I feel.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 26, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
You get the feeling  Scotstown are further down the road and won't be giving Glen second chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
I know I'm going against my own logic here... but I'm fancying the Tyrone lads to do it today. Think they've had enough time to get over the joys of the last game and refocus on Scotstown.

Can't see it being another high scoring game either so tight opening 20 minutes
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 26, 2023, 01:03:07 PM
Kevin Falloon refereeing, this could be fun!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 01:15:08 PM
Scotstown very composed on the ball, not afraid to shoot from distance,

Rory has some stature on the pitch...

Fair amount of wides so far
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:15:41 PM
Scotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.

Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 26, 2023, 01:17:23 PM
Trillick looking pretty poor to date. Faloon won't be giving too many handy frees
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 01:18:15 PM
Train all year and still 16 minutes with no score.... Should be in the wtf thread
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:15:41 PMScotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.

Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?

Yes that's him.

Poor game so far.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 01:22:27 PM
Some strike from Beggan there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 26, 2023, 01:23:23 PM
Scotstown playing into the shooting end with the aid of a breeze in 1st, so Trillick certainly not done for.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on November 26, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Scotstown more clinical so far. I wouldn't rule Trillick out just yet.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:15:41 PMScotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.

Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?

Yes Pete Donnelly is coach along with Diarmuid Scullion (all Ireland Derry minor winning coach)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 01:24:33 PM
They'd be better off letting Scotstown shot from wide angles rather than blocking and giving Beggan a 45
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 26, 2023, 01:25:16 PM
Scotstown looking a bit too strong all over

Saying that, Trillick started similarly against cross
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 01:25:21 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 01:22:27 PMSome strike from Beggan there.
More than a fine strike from Beggan, he was aiming to hit the inside of the post.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 01:28:34 PM
K Hughes has an outrageous pair of hands
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 01:24:33 PMThey'd be better off letting Scotstown shot from wide angles rather than blocking and giving Beggan a 45

Like back in the day when teams played Stoke they'd rather give away a corner than a throw in for Rory Delap.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Cavan19 on November 26, 2023, 01:33:12 PM
Wides could cost Scotstoun yet wow goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 01:33:27 PM
Very careless
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 01:34:02 PM
Massive score by Trillick on the stroke of half time.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 26, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
What a finish to the half!!

Young seanie
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:35:30 PM
And just like that the game turns.

Interesting 2nd half coming up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 01:39:02 PM
Scotstown weren't clinical enough when they looked to be on top of the game, had plenty of wides. We'll see what they're made of now, big half needed and Trillick will be flying now.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 02:06:36 PM
Good game this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 26, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
This is as good as gets at this time of year

Great stuff
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 26, 2023, 02:14:35 PM
Smell a long distance Beggan equaliser
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 02:16:53 PM
Yellow card for a trip?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:17:29 PM
As tight as they come. Could be the same as last night, one slip or mistake could be the difference
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:18:48 PM
That's the faintest of touches for a 40!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 26, 2023, 02:19:17 PM
A great battle going right to the wire
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 26, 2023, 02:19:29 PM
Didn't think Lee would have the legs for that!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2023, 02:14:35 PMSmell a long distance Beggan equaliser

Could well be right at this stage. Great kick by Brennan.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:19:45 PM
The only 40 he's put over
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Jaysus McCarthy is some man
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: smort on November 26, 2023, 02:20:38 PM
Conor very quiet but steps up when it mattered
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:20:53 PM
Wow... those kids in the background hugging! Great stuff
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 02:20:57 PM
I'll take another 20 minutes of this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:21:22 PM
Thought Trillick had it, was something funny about the only 45 which Brennan had the distance for, would be an injury time winner. Some stones by Scotstown to work the equaliser though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 26, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
Great finish. Leeroy Brennan be gutted 😜

Don't think this board could cope with Tyrone Senior Club Champs. As a Derryman I deffo couldn't 😆
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 26, 2023, 02:24:20 PM
Referee has been absolutely outstanding today.

Well done.

Looking forward to extra time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: mrdeeds on November 26, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:18:48 PMThat's the faintest of touches for a 40!

Was a great spot by umpire in fairness.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Rossfan on November 26, 2023, 02:26:42 PM
Very enjoyable contest.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
A great even contest with both teams equally knackered at the end, that last equaliser was the easiest score all game for Scotstown.


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 02:29:51 PM
Cracking fair play to Brennan on the 45 he'd droppped 2 short before that great kick.

McCarthy well used to breaking for the deciding score fair play to both teams.

Good result for Glen too!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 02:29:51 PMCracking fair play to Brennan on the 45 he'd droppped 2 short before that great kick.

McCarthy well used to breaking for the deciding score fair play to both teams.

Good result for Glen too!

That have 2 weeks break not one... it won't affect them
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PM
Trillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!

You only get them for winning the toughest championship  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!

You only get them for winning the toughest championship  ;)

Is there a wee asterix for outsiders on your team??  8)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!

You only get them for winning the toughest championship  ;)

Is there a wee asterix for outsiders on your team??  8)

 ;D

Depends on the wind up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:43:55 PM
This makes up for there only being one game today!!

While not pretty it's tense

Hopefully the penalty takers got plenty of practice
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PM
Late tackle on K Hughes, no free?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

Ref made up for it with a very soft one for McCarron to tap over.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 26, 2023, 02:24:20 PMReferee has been absolutely outstanding today.

Well done.

Looking forward to extra time

That last point for Scotstown was far from a free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 02:47:30 PM
Kevin O'Brien , former corofin manager in Scotstown back room team too
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:48:09 PM
Trillick lad was charging and was making no attempt to pick the ball up with Scotstown players around him, that was a fair free imo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:48:09 PMTrillick lad was charging and was making no attempt to pick the ball up with Scotstown players around him, that was a fair free imo

Exactly, was Ryan O'Toole just meant to let him out? He stood his ground
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?

Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying

Not sure on that one
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?

Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying

Not sure on that one

Could it be that Kieran H had hit the ball wide and out of play, therefore the late tackle had no effect on the game, no free kick but was still a yellow card offense?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?

Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying

Not sure on that one

Could it be that Kieran H had hit the ball wide and out of play, therefore the late tackle had no effect on the game, no free kick but was still a yellow card offense?

With me if it's a foul he's 5 seconds advantage, if he misses within 5 seconds pull it back for free..

Yellow could have been given after linesman spoke to him in his earpiece
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 02:59:28 PM
Mccarron coming into his own now. Shooting not great but very good in possession.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:59:42 PM
Game over
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PM
Another soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referee
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referees

Simple free
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referees

100% a free it was a lazy tackle against the Scotstown player who was moving away from goal no need to make it!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
Both of them were. Ref not bad. Only thing I would say is if you're on the ground with the ball and someone is more or less on your back surely that is a free. That macarron one wasn't to be fair.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 03:03:59 PM
Just gave McCrron free for same thing he blew against Trillick.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 03:04:26 PM
That free for McCarron was soft
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:04:33 PM
Not sure of the extra 2 minutes on top of the two minutes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 03:04:44 PM
Don't understand people complaining about any frees in that second half of ET, there were tired bodies making mistakes at that stage, those were absolutely frees
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 03:04:26 PMThat free for McCarron was soft

These things even themselves out over the course of the game  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PM
Ball looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 03:06:07 PM
Scotstown were better in extra time and probably deserved it. Trillion better in the second half. Trillick a good team. You'll likely hear a lot more about a few of them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 26, 2023, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referee

2 lazy tackles, the McGarrity one had a bit of devilment in it, was the difference in the last 5 mins with a kick of the ball in it.. No need for either
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 03:03:04 PMBoth of them were. Ref not bad. Only thing I would say is if you're on the ground with the ball and someone is more or less on your back surely that is a free. That macarron one wasn't to be fair.

Faloon has history with letting all that go....until he decides to give them in random situations. No consistency.

If you'd seen his performance in the Armagh championship.....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 03:06:32 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.

The linesman had a perfect angle on it however
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.

Nah I thought that looked fine on replay. It was a pass on the inside of his right boot which looked to curl out and back into play, it only bounced on the sideline when it landed
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 26, 2023, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.

Ball curling out and back in, just about landed on the sideline when it bounced, the kicker put his hands to his head knowing it went out and back in again
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 03:09:17 PM
There's no such thing as earning a soft free against a Tyrone team.
Well done to the Scotstown lads, real grit in extra time.

I guess Brennan was told there would be another 2 minutes or so on top, that's why he took the point.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 26, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Hughes was shouldered after the ball had gone, to me that's a free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on November 26, 2023, 03:10:27 PM
Tyrone boys can't hack in the big leagues
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 26, 2023, 03:11:36 PM
Great hardy contest. Very little between them, two very good teams. Brennan was immense throughout
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 26, 2023, 03:11:49 PM
Very good game, can't see why ones are giving off about the ref(bar the birds of a feather Tyrone complaining), thought he did an excellent job. Its not always the ref's fault ffs.

Love watching Scotstown, they've the balance right between defence and attack, good team to watch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PM
Think they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on November 26, 2023, 03:30:32 PM
The tyrone drought continues
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 26, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
Great contest, a credit to both teams. I thought the ref was grand over all, let the game flow well. The free at the end was incredibly soft, but one Richie got earlier was on the soft side too. A few of those Trillick players have had a massive championship. Ruairí Brennan playing the best football of his career. It will be interesting to see if Seánie O'Donnell can make the break through and have an impact at county level
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on November 26, 2023, 03:49:33 PM
Surprisingly that was actually a half decent performance from Falloon. My granny was from Knockatallon so I think I'll jump on the Scotstown bandwagon.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 26, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?

Clear free. Late tackle.

He gave the Trillick lad a yelliw card.

Not sure why he didn't award the free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: twohands!!! on November 26, 2023, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 26, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?

He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?

Clear free. Late tackle.

He gave the Trillick lad a yelliw card.

Not sure why he didn't award the free.

I was thinking he possibly deemed it as a tackle after the ball was gone. I'd have given a free myself.
A lot of the time refs are reluctant to give frees when a player has been fouled but managed to get a good unimpeded shot away (as in this case)
Some weird GAA version of Double Jeopardy.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PM
It should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should  definitely be a free if there no advantage.

If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.

Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen



So where did I say they were an "average team"?

Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).

The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....

Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart.  Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.

We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.

That's the evidence.

What evidence are you providing otherwise?

Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.

Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.

You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny.  How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert?  I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PM
You're not a fan? 👍

They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...

You said they have average footballing ability..

All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Silver hill on November 26, 2023, 05:11:40 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should  definitely be a free if there no advantage.

If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.

Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen



So where did I say they were an "average team"?

Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).

The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....

Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart.  Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.

We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.

That's the evidence.

What evidence are you providing otherwise?

Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.

Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.

You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny.  How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert?  I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.

Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on November 26, 2023, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen



So where did I say they were an "average team"?

Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).

The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....

Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart.  Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.

We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.

That's the evidence.

What evidence are you providing otherwise?

Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.

Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.

You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny.  How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert?  I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.

#feeling enriched
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 05:23:29 PM
Ulster club is some stuff though!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on November 26, 2023, 05:11:40 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should  definitely be a free if there no advantage.

If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.

Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen



So where did I say they were an "average team"?

Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).

The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....

Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart.  Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.

We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.

That's the evidence.

What evidence are you providing otherwise?

Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.

Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.

You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny.  How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert?  I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.

Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.

I lost???
Not sure I follow there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2023, 05:34:24 PM
Scotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍

They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...

You said they have average footballing ability..

All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan

Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!

You've just played it out online for us all to see.  Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on November 26, 2023, 05:36:01 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on November 26, 2023, 05:11:40 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should  definitely be a free if there no advantage.

If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.

Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average  ;D

Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.

Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired.  I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners).  I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.


These are your quotes on Glen


Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??

A team of runners with average football ability.

I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be

There's no extra gear in Glen



So where did I say they were an "average team"?

Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).

The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....

Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart.  Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.

We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.

That's the evidence.

What evidence are you providing otherwise?

Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.

Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.

You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny.  How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert?  I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.

Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.

I lost???
Not sure I follow there.
I reckon you made your points well
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
After a poor start it turned into an excellent game afterwards. Hard luck to Trillick, thought they had it won in normal time but fair play to Scotstown for taking it to ET and hope they go on and win it now.
Think they would give Kilmacud a better game than Glen as I think Kilmacud would go out and stuff Glen to prove a point after last season.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍

They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...

You said they have average footballing ability..

All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan

Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!

You've just played it out online for us all to see.  Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!


Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.

Your reference to ref's is at best, childish
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mikhailov on November 26, 2023, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍

They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...

You said they have average footballing ability..

All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan

Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!

You've just played it out online for us all to see.  Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!


Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.

Your reference to ref's is at best, childish

They have just completed 3 Derry championships in a row not 2
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 26, 2023, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍

They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...

You said they have average footballing ability..

All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan

Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!

You've just played it out online for us all to see.  Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!


Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.

Your reference to ref's is at best, childish

They have just completed 3 Derry championships in a row not 2

Yes, my mistake, average footballers in Derry though ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on November 26, 2023, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2023, 05:34:24 PMScotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
I think its 8 from the Monaghan panel and a couple of younger lads knocking on the door. Thought Maguire (13) was very good and was surprised they took him off. He can't be far off the Monaghan panel

Bit of brave management too. Scotstown put on Malley in ET and then took him off again. Takes guts to do that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: straightred on November 26, 2023, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2023, 05:34:24 PMScotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
I think its 8 from the Monaghan panel and a couple of younger lads knocking on the door. Thought Maguire (13) was very good and was surprised they took him off. He can't be far off the Monaghan panel

Bit of brave management too. Scotstown put on Malley in ET and then took him off again. Takes guts to do that

He kicked the ball away... that's the level you need to be at. No 2nd chances in games like that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:18:35 PM
The free that put Scotstown 2 up was very soft!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Rossfan on November 26, 2023, 10:20:44 PM
Was it a foul or not?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2023, 10:20:44 PMWas it a foul or not?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
No foul for me
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: InnocentByStander on November 27, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
An average team doesn't reach back to back Ulster club finals and potentially winning back to back.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 27, 2023, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:53:05 PMNo foul for me

Well you are from Tyrone ...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AM
Unfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on November 27, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
For the monaghan men, is Michael McCarville a son of Jack? Plus, Caulfield at WHB is he a son of the Monaghan/Blayney man, Fergus? Declan??  ???
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 27, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 27, 2023, 10:41:56 AMFor the monaghan men, is Michael McCarville a son of Jack? Plus, Caulfield at WHB is he a son of the Monaghan/Blayney man, Fergus? Declan??  ???

Son of Gerry.

Son of Fergus, also selector.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on November 27, 2023, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 05:23:29 PMUlster club is some stuff though!
Mighty stuff!! So many close games and last-minute scores
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 27, 2023, 03:26:49 PM
Ulster is really interesting.  Trillick showing Tyrone clubs can compete.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2023, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2023, 03:26:49 PMUlster is really interesting.  Trillick showing Tyrone clubs can compete.

Totally, they performed really well and with Errigal competing well last year also it shows the Tyrone club championship isn't as weak as many on here think.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2023, 07:58:55 PM
Senior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on November 27, 2023, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2023, 07:58:55 PMSenior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm

Probably on TG4 if on at 4pm.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 27, 2023, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 27, 2023, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:53:05 PMNo foul for me

Well you are from Tyrone ...

Probably live closer to Scotstown than Trillick. Lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on November 27, 2023, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2023, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 27, 2023, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:53:05 PMNo foul for me

Well you are from Tyrone ...

Probably live closer to Scotstown than Trillick. Lol

Just checked 33 mile from both clubs..... couldn't be more neutral.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.

Precisely.

Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.

Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.

In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago





Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tintin25 on November 28, 2023, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.

Precisely.

Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.

Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.

In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago







Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches.  As you say, they could have been easily beat.  They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point.  Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: twohands!!! on November 28, 2023, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 28, 2023, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.

Precisely.

Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.

Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.

In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago







Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches.  As you say, they could have been easily beat.  They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point.  Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.


Yeah - unless there is a massive gap in standards with the opposition (which you're very unlikely to get in most provincial games) I think an entire team trying to pace over a course of games is extremely difficult, if not impossible.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
It's not pacing themselves in games,  it's 'pacing' the training they are doing to have them peaking enough. We used to do it all the time. Glen have another gear or 2 in them but it's a dangerous game sometimes as sometimes a team can get a run on you and the gear change doesn't always kick in
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2023, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 28, 2023, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.

Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.

Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.

Precisely.

Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.

Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.

In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago







Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches.  As you say, they could have been easily beat.  They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point.  Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.

It happens, when you are dominant within your county you can, it's about peaking for the latter stages
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 28, 2023, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 27, 2023, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2023, 07:58:55 PMSenior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm

Probably on TG4 if on at 4pm.

More than likely. Munster football final also on that day and will probably get the 2pm TG4 coverage.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PM
Likes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2023, 01:09:09 AM
I just think they playing poor, even to what I seen them, before the county men came back. I am expecting Scotstown to beat them unless there a 70% improvement, May depend on J Doherty back and Tallom actually scoring.Suprised O'Rourke hasn't done positional change to strengthen the forwards.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ranch on November 29, 2023, 02:31:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.

Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 29, 2023, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.

No offence but cross wouldn't have had the top end coaches and s and c to be tapering and peaking. They just went out and played
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
Theres Cross lads that' tell you most years they barely trained for most of the league lol they certainly wanted to peak for the championship
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on November 29, 2023, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 10:56:40 AMTheres Cross lads that' tell you most years they barely trained for most of the league lol they certainly wanted to peak for the championship

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/former-gaa-star-faces-trial-over-12m-in-criminal-assets/a979772697.html

Too busy with crime....


Honestly, what is it about there? Can no one do a honest days work..
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: ranch on November 29, 2023, 02:31:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.

Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.

I think you're right about 2001 to 2008. We definitely beat them in 4 finals and I recall beating them in 2 semis I think it was. They invested an awful lot in management during that period,  not being funny, and had some of the top club managers on the scene. McIvor from Derry, John Rafferty, few others. I recall a few testy post match manager's 'well done's',  one in particular. Dromintee were very unfortunate,  they would have won Ulster if it hadn't been for the fact they were against us.

The Armagh championship in those days was horrendous for us. Straight knock out,  Dromintee, Mullaghbawn in the early days, Clans, Pearse Ogs, and Armagh Harps were all strong teams. How we won 13 in a row I'll never know
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: ranch on November 29, 2023, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: ranch on November 29, 2023, 02:31:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.

Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.

I think you're right about 2001 to 2008. We definitely beat them in 4 finals and I recall beating them in 2 semis I think it was. They invested an awful lot in management during that period,  not being funny, and had some of the top club managers on the scene. McIvor from Derry, John Rafferty, few others. I recall a few testy post match manager's 'well done's',  one in particular. Dromintee were very unfortunate,  they would have won Ulster if it hadn't been for the fact they were against us.

The Armagh championship in those days was horrendous for us. Straight knock out,  Dromintee, Mullaghbawn in the early days, Clans, Pearse Ogs, and Armagh Harps were all strong teams. How we won 13 in a row I'll never know

I'd be intrigued to hear more about this post match 'well done'? I can imagine there are some interesting stories from around that era.

Yeah that Dromintee side were exceptionally strong. 2003 final up in Cross in particular stands out for me-pretty sure Cross won by 2 points and I recall Martin O'Rourke missing a great chance for a goal in the first half.

I also remember them drawing up in Silverbridge, maybe in 06 or 07. Dromintee always seemed to struggle once those games got into the final few minutes.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: general_lee on November 29, 2023, 11:40:53 AM
It's only when you look back now you realise just how strong Armagh football was. Some clubs were just unlucky that their golden generations happened to coincide with Crossmaglen's almost unstoppable juggernaut.

That Dromintee side from 2001-10 was outstanding. They were beat by Cross in 5 finals (the rest semis?)

Before that Clans and Mullaghbawn had two brilliant teams, Mullaghbawn did win Ulster in 95 but after that both sides faded badly.

Pearse Óg another team dripping with talent managed to break the Cross dominance in 2009, they were beat by a couple of points by St Galls who walked Ulster and won the AI, the likes of Maghery, Harps & Clann Eireann were nowhere near that level when they won their titles in recent years which is probably a sad reflection of where club football is currently at in Armagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AM
Any chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 11:15:50 AM
There was a game on the Athletic Grounds last night! Wasn't at it but I assume the pitch is ok
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days

Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 01:06:42 PM
Deemed playable at 9.30 but another inspection at 2.30 before turnstiles open
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 01:06:42 PMDeemed playable at 9.30 but another inspection at 2.30 before turnstiles open

Sounds very late...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days

Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too

The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: armaghniac on December 10, 2023, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days

Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too

The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.

The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2023, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days

Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too

The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.

The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!

Be a long time till they win Ulster again I think
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2023, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days

Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too

The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.

The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!

Be a long time till they win Ulster again I think

Be a while before they win Monaghan again for that matter, already been 20 years
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Eire90 on December 10, 2023, 04:13:25 PM
is throw in delayed.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on December 10, 2023, 04:13:25 PMis throw in delayed.

Went ahead as scheduled, currently 2 pts each
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: p3427977 on December 10, 2023, 04:15:56 PM
Why do TG4 hate Ulster?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
Absolute fckin disgrace that tg4 go to ads now instead of straight to the Ulster final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PM
Bad call there, man fell over him
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: 5times5times on December 10, 2023, 04:31:16 PM
Get yourselves a dodgy box lads. Can flip between the 2 games without any issues.

But yeah, stupid scheduling by respective councils. Should have pushed either 15mins before/after.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on December 10, 2023, 04:33:39 PM
Good contest thus far. Half time Scotstown 0-7 Glen 0-5
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:35:19 PM
Mighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him

Don't think it was a free either.

Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:35:19 PMMighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Savage - he got one from a similar spot in the semi final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tbrick18 on December 10, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him

Agree.
Ref handed Scotstown a few handy frees there.
Horrible conditions.
A mistake could be the winning or losing of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him

Don't think it was a free either.

Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.

It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:35:19 PMMighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Savage - he got one from a similar spot in the semi final

Yeah he's always had the talent but can be a fairly frustrating player to watch at times. He's stepped up for Scotstown big time in this Ulster campaign though.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
Sorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:41:54 PMSorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.

It's a foul in any county
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Ghost on December 10, 2023, 04:42:36 PM
Don't think a 2 point lead is enough for Scotstown judging by that breeze.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him

Don't think it was a free either.

Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.

It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball

Wtf are you watching?

Seriously.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:45:36 PM
Good open game.  Both teams wanting to win it.

Good kick passing on show.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 10, 2023, 04:31:16 PMGet yourselves a dodgy box lads. Can flip between the 2 games without any issues.

But yeah, stupid scheduling by respective councils. Should have pushed either 15mins before/after.

No doubt somebody at the top will come out and say 'Lessons will be learned'.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:41:54 PMSorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.

It's a foul in any county
Yeah its a free all day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on December 10, 2023, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him

Don't think it was a free either.

Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.

It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball

100% correct
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:52:47 PM
Wipe the feckin camera lads
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on December 10, 2023, 04:53:23 PM
2 great lomg range efforts there for Glen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 04:54:35 PM
What was that?? 100% a 45
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:54:48 PM
45 missed there
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 04:54:51 PM
How's that not a 45 lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on December 10, 2023, 04:55:22 PM
definite 45 there
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:55:39 PM
a sloppy goal or any goal will win this. Conditions are terrible
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 04:55:46 PM
Umpire standing 2 yards away staring at it. Beggan knew rightly he got away with that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on December 10, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 04:54:35 PMWhat was that?? 100% a 45

Straight in front of umpire. How did he miss that?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 04:56:36 PM
How is that not a 45'. Right in front of the umpire and gives a wide - umpires are becoming a serious problem in the game nowadays.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:57:22 PM
Showed a replay there, that's hard to believe, did the umpire think it was already out? Didn't look it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 04:56:36 PMHow is that not a 45'. Right in front of the umpire and gives a wide - umpires are becoming a serious problem in the game nowadays.

State of that!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
Ref missed a glen throw ball there too. Its even now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 05:00:27 PM
Glen got away with a possible black card?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:05:57 PM
Been a good few mistakes by players recently...

Referee misses something, 6 post
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on December 10, 2023, 05:07:29 PM
The Hughes are mighty men
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:05:57 PMBeen a good few mistakes by players recently...

Referee misses something, 6 post

State of that !
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 10, 2023, 05:08:56 PM
Great score there from Beggan. Anyone's game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 05:09:04 PM
Some game. Scotstown look that bit hungrier though. It's a real shame we havent the climate to be playing this in the good weather lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:09:26 PM
Beggan is some weapon to have, jaysus

This will go right to the wire
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 05:09:32 PM
They're putting on some show considering the weather
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on December 10, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Players dropping balls, kicking wides, misplacing passes, yet somehow it's the ref's fault
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:09:26 PMBeggan is some weapon to have, jaysus

This will go right to the wire

Trillick had the right idea having someone mark him when he come out the field.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: JoG2 on December 10, 2023, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:09:26 PMBeggan is some weapon to have, jaysus

This will go right to the wire

Incredible, always shows up, big game player
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:05:57 PMBeen a good few mistakes by players recently...

Referee misses something, 6 post

State of that !

The umpires union will be having a word with you  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:11:37 PM
Tell you what, this is some contest considering it's a dirty December evening in brutal conditions. Credit to both sides
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on December 10, 2023, 05:13:23 PM
Glen one in front with 5 mins to play.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Some block there. That could have been the game for Scotstown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:16:47 PM
That not a definition of sticking the leg out been a trip?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:16:47 PMThat not a definition of sticking the leg out been a trip?

The player poked it past him, wasn't a deliberate trip in my book. Good call
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:19:11 PM
That man McFaul should be up front for Glen
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on December 10, 2023, 05:22:03 PM
Glen showed their worth with that strong finish. 0-13 to 0-11 winners.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: befair on December 10, 2023, 05:22:22 PM
Tough luck on Scotstown, carried out on their shields. Great game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:22:31 PM
Very tight game but overall Glen have better players, become the 2nd team Derry team to go back to back along with their neighbours just 2 mile up the road
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: OakLeaf on December 10, 2023, 05:22:42 PM
Deserved win for Glen. Great game of football considering the conditions.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PM
Any word from Oso lads??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Ghost on December 10, 2023, 05:24:47 PM
Glen won it in the first half. Only going in 2 down against a fairly stiff breeze was a massive result.

Jack McCarron was very poor there today.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 05:25:04 PM
After last season's Final controversy Glen have their replay against Kilmacud so to speak. All the pressure will be on Glen to deliver though they'll not be worried about that for a few days! Whoever wins between Glen and Kilmacud will win the final pulling up as the other side of the draw is poor.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 10, 2023, 05:25:23 PM
Enjoyable game of football, well done Glen, tough luck Scotstown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

Pretty average lads
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2023, 05:26:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

He still don't get the hype
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tbrick18 on December 10, 2023, 05:26:29 PM
Brilliant game to be fair.
Began is some operator.
Glen just knew how to win and really showed the desire.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 05:27:14 PM
Scotstown went for a goal when a point would have levelled it. Not sure Glen were much better to be honest. Fine margins
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:29:51 PM
Glen turned up today, whereas in the last few games they were way of the pace, more than the other teams playing better, Still play McFaul up front, bring one of the McDermotts into defence. Crokes are stronger than last year, Glen probably stronger with McFaul,but still to put up any big scores.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: grounded on December 10, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed. Scotstown had their chances and gave their all even to the last kick of game.
    Glen just had a wee bit more with McFaul and Glass able to exert their influence towards the end. Would love to see Glass drive forward that bit more. Glen for more dangerous when he does so.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:29:51 PMGlen turned up today, whereas in the last few games they were way of the pace, more than the other teams playing better, Still play McFaul up front, bring one of the McDermotts into defence. Crokes are stronger than last year, Glen probably stronger with McFaul,but still to put up any big scores.

O'Rourke has managed back to back titles, I'm sure you're a decent manager but he's managed to do well enough so far
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 05:42:52 PM
Great game in terrible conditions, well done to Glen, Scotstown be kicking themselves. Glass, McFaul, Beggan and Hughes' all some footballers.

Still feel like Glen are missing that top forward. Wonder could they sign McGuigan or a Canavan lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:44:18 PM
What's the semi final draw now?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:44:18 PMWhat's the semi final draw now?

Kilmacud v Glen
Castlehaven v St. Brigids

The 1st game is the final in all but name.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2023, 05:50:58 PM
Muted enough celebrations from Glen. Them boys aren't finished yet (think Kilmacud beat them but let's see)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
The better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

Pretty average lads

Running to Mods much wee man?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Blowitupref on December 10, 2023, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:44:18 PMWhat's the semi final draw now?

Kilmacud v Glen
Castlehaven v St. Brigids

The 1st game is the final in all but name.

Would be foolish to write off Brigids after taking out Corofin, Castlehaven no mugs either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.

Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

Pretty average lads

Running to Mods much wee man?

Eh? Over what? You're still digging your high heels in i see. Typical average response from an average person
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.

Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.

Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!

The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case.  Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

Pretty average lads

Running to Mods much wee man?

Eh? Over what? You're still digging your high heels in i see. Typical average response from an average person

You have no idea wee man.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: yellowcard on December 10, 2023, 06:22:57 PM
It was a decent match in the conditions and Scotstown missed enough chances that they will rue. Glen are a bit like the Derry county side, they are probably just missing one or two more inside forwards and they would almost be guaranteed to win an All Ireland. But they are a big powerful athletic side.

As it stands though I expect Kilmacud will have too much for them in the semi final although not having to play them in Croke Park should at least help Glen. But Glen looked to be playing much better last season and Kilmacud now have the swagger of champions and a fit Mannion.

I wouldn't write St Brigids off though, they were very impressive against Corofin and I think they will account for Castlehaven quite comfortably.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.

Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.

Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!

The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case.  Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.

Is that not the way it works?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??

Pretty average lads

Running to Mods much wee man?

Eh? Over what? You're still digging your high heels in i see. Typical average response from an average person

You have no idea wee man.

Go on, enlighten me. You've been good value though, I'll give ya that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.

Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.

Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!

The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case.  Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.

Is that not the way it works?
Irish News ratings?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on December 10, 2023, 06:44:20 PM
I thought glen were a bit better. They don't get enough scores from their forwards though so I'd be surprised if they beat crokes. They were two good teams tbh both going at it. Entertaining game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PM
Will Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Where was the semi last year for Glen?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 07:12:21 PM
Jaysus this Oso fella has a serious hang up about Glen, show us on the doll where Glen hurt you...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Where was the semi last year for Glen?

Was in Croker
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saffrongael on December 10, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Where was the semi last year for Glen?

All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.

But Newry would be my shout aswell.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.

But Newry would be my shout aswell.

I think a heavier pitch would suit glen slightly easier to curb Walsh and mannion etc but the good old GAA prob stick it in Croker don't want kilmacud having to travel
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: straightred on December 10, 2023, 07:32:06 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.

But Newry would be my shout aswell.
Wheres handy then thats not in Leinster or Ulster? Armagh or Newry be my pick.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: yellowcard on December 10, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 07:32:06 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago

Slightly different in that they were never likely to have Kilcoo playing in their own county ground.

I think Slaughtneill played St Vincent's in Newry in a semi final so there is an indication that it could well be the venue again.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 10, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 07:32:06 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago

Slightly different in that they were never likely to have Kilcoo playing in their own county ground.

I think Slaughtneill played St Vincent's in Newry in a semi final so there is an indication that it could well be the venue again.
Yeah was just gonna post that. Chrissy McKaigue gave Connolly a roasting that day.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: WT4E on December 10, 2023, 07:59:43 PM
Is there anywhere to see the coverage of the match from the beginning.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 10, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 10, 2023, 07:59:43 PMIs there anywhere to see the coverage of the match from the beginning.

It's on GAAGo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Where was the semi last year for Glen?

All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface

Why not this year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: theticklemister on December 10, 2023, 08:22:35 PM
No one talking about the cheap strike on Dougan from Darren Hughes? Shocking.

Dougan was following McCarron everywhere today. Tied him right up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 10, 2023, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point

Where was the semi last year for Glen?

All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface

Why not this year?

O'Toole Park would be the favoured neutral venue for Crokes. The traffic getting across the city to Croke Park is always a pain.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Drivel!!

The game was nip and tuck until the last few mins when Glen pulled away. Stown had a hit and hope tipped above the bar to make it 2 in the end but Glen were the better team.

You've lost the plot a bit Oso "average" club teams don't tend to get to All Ireland Semi Finals. You have to play so many games to get there that it's basically impossible to make it that far unless you're a decent team.


Keep digging though we're all enjoying the twists and turns in your nonsense arguments...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:10:08 PM
Pairc Esler is exactly half way between Glen and Kilmacud.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
Thought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on December 10, 2023, 09:20:00 PM
I thought it was an enthralling game in the conditions and a teak tough competitive final with Glen just about deserving it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.

My thoughts too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2023, 12:31:23 AM
Game was tight but Scotstown only scored 4pts in the 2nd Half, between the first and last point of half, they only scored 2pts between the 31st and 63rd minute.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: tonto1888 on December 11, 2023, 07:36:50 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.

Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line.  They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.

Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown?  Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.

Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?

Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.

Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.

Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!

The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case.  Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.

Is that not the way it works?

I have no opinion on who was better yesterday but no, the best team doesnt always win. You can probably think of examples when this has happened
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2023, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.

My thoughts too.

Watching the game I thought that myself. Chances for scores,  shooting from silly angles,  forcing it when they could have worked simpler scores. Genuinely wanted Scotstown to win this as I know a good few of them and they're really good lads and the like of the Hughes and Beggan would have a great club career we'll set off with an Ulster win. A lot of pressure on shoulders in clubs like Scotstown to be able to say you have a big one on your pocket,  loads of boys walk around clubs like that jangling county medals in their pockets with little or no playing time. Just like ourselves. It's only when you win outside of the county can you stand with the big boys.

Glen were that but more clinical at key times. There's an awful lot to be said for knowing how to win these games. Pushing on at key times and building momentum is something that differentiates between top teams. Glen have it. The question now is can they go the whole way?  Kilmacud in the semi is better than Kilmacud in the final. If the game is played in Newry or even Navan then I can see them having a real chance.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Armagh18 on December 11, 2023, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2023, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.

My thoughts too.

Watching the game I thought that myself. Chances for scores,  shooting from silly angles,  forcing it when they could have worked simpler scores. Genuinely wanted Scotstown to win this as I know a good few of them and they're really good lads and the like of the Hughes and Beggan would have a great club career we'll set off with an Ulster win. A lot of pressure on shoulders in clubs like Scotstown to be able to say you have a big one on your pocket,  loads of boys walk around clubs like that jangling county medals in their pockets with little or no playing time. Just like ourselves. It's only when you win outside of the county can you stand with the big boys.

Glen were that but more clinical at key times. There's an awful lot to be said for knowing how to win these games. Pushing on at key times and building momentum is something that differentiates between top teams. Glen have it. The question now is can they go the whole way?  Kilmacud in the semi is better than Kilmacud in the final. If the game is played in Newry or even Navan then I can see them having a real chance.
Yeah, gutted for those men as they are serious footballers and great lads as you say.

Fair  play to Glen though, Glass is something else. Would love to see them go all the way this year but just not sure they have the firepower. They'll be mad up for it after the whole drama last year as will Kilmacud. Glen been through a few tight games now which will stand to them, plenty of time to get the bodies right.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Applesisapples on December 11, 2023, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2023, 12:31:23 AMGame was tight but Scotstown only scored 4pts in the 2nd Half, between the first and last point of half, they only scored 2pts between the 31st and 63rd minute.
Playing down the hill in the Athletic Grounds you need to be more than 2 in front on a good day. That wind and rain seemed to be driving down that hill as well. TG4 treating the Ulster final with total disrespect. I'd recorded it, not only did it start late but the programme ended before the final whistle. still good win for Glen, Scotstown give it a lash. Beggan is some footballer.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on December 11, 2023, 10:12:43 AM
What were TG4 to do though? Just turn the other game off when it came to penalties?

Yeah they weren't enough up in the first half. Tbh you could see early in second half what way the game was going.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2023, 10:29:26 AM
Should have started from the start as am sure they were recording it, and bypass on half time analysis, they do this with deferred coverage games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: seafoid on December 11, 2023, 11:11:13 AM
Scotstown will be back. Kilcoo didn't win anything first time around either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on December 11, 2023, 11:14:46 AM
this was them being back though.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2023, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2023, 11:14:46 AMthis was them being back though.

Yeah,  the lose to us in 2015 took a lot out of them. Yesterday might do the same. The team that started yesterday has lads who have been playing together for over 10 years. Beggan, McArdle, Caulfield, the Hughes, Morgan, Carey, Carville, and Hamill all were playing in 2012 when I was coaching them.  McCarthy was just breaking out of minor that year too. That's 2/3rds of this team have been on the road with an awful lot of miles on their legs when you include county football. They'll struggle to get back to this level unfortunately
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on December 11, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
Yeah I think this was their chance. I thought Glen were a bit better but Scotstown like you and others say missed chances at crucial times. It's the Hughes ages I think would be their main issue as they are pivotal.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: the goal was on on December 11, 2023, 11:42:53 AM
With Jack mc Carron on board they'll win Monaghan again next year and they'll have a decent chance again in ulster . Might be beyond them but good chance they'll be in a semi and then anything can happen
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on December 11, 2023, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.

My thoughts too.
There were 4 goal chances in the 2nd half, one long ball went to D Hughes who fisted, hit the post and somehow miraculously stayed out. The  second went to Darren again when he could've taken a point but there was a point from a free in the same play. The third was what you could say was a missed point when after a brilliant piece of play an effort at goal went amiss,  the 4th was K Hughes, the last shot of the game which (unfortunately) went straight to the goalie.
Going for goals was not the undoing of Scotstown, they started the 2nd half strongly and were ahead by a point on the 50th min. Simply put Glen were the better team in those last 10 minutes even if the ref in error penalised McCarron for over-carrying, didn't notice that he had only taken 3 steps. Glenn scored 3 points in the closing minutes from similar positions that Scotstown couldn´t.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: cornerback on December 12, 2023, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 11, 2023, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.

My thoughts too.
There were 4 goal chances in the 2nd half, one long ball went to D Hughes who fisted, hit the post and somehow miraculously stayed out. The  second went to Darren again when he could've taken a point but there was a point from a free in the same play. The third was what you could say was a missed point when after a brilliant piece of play an effort at goal went amiss,  the 4th was K Hughes, the last shot of the game which (unfortunately) went straight to the goalie.
Going for goals was not the undoing of Scotstown, they started the 2nd half strongly and were ahead by a point on the 50th min. Simply put Glen were the better team in those last 10 minutes even if the ref in error penalised McCarron for over-carrying, didn't notice that he had only taken 3 steps. Glenn scored 3 points in the closing minutes from similar positions that Scotstown couldn´t.

When it was originally blown I thought the ref was influenced by the crowd and gave a harsh call for overcarrying but in the replay it could clearly be seen that the ball swapped hands a couple of times
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 12, 2023, 06:02:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:10:08 PMPairc Esler is exactly half way between Glen and Kilmacud.

Which is where its at
Sunday 7th at 3.45

Other semi at 1.45 in semple
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PM
Was it not a double bounce?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?

Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2023, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?

Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..

Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Main Street on December 12, 2023, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2023, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?

Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..

Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
I didn't notice that in the heat of the battle.
Does the ref have some hand signal to indicate a foul for a swapping of the hands?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 13, 2023, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: Main Street on December 12, 2023, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2023, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?

Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..

Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
I didn't notice that in the heat of the battle.
Does the ref have some hand signal to indicate a foul for a swapping of the hands?


He seemed to make a movement of his hands similar to an over carry but more of a side to side motion. Rare you see that called by refs but I think given that McCarron had been static enough it was easier maybe for him to see.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
probably called something like that maybe once or twice over the years, and they were blatant