Round 1
4ú / 5ú Samhain
(a) Derrygonnelly V Kilcoo at Brewster Park
Quarter Finals
11ú / 12ú Samhain
(b) Glen V Cargin at Celtic Park
(c) Gowna V Naomh Conaill at Kingspan Breffni
(d) Trillick V Crossmaglen at O'Neills Healy Park
(e) Scotstown V Derrygonnelly/Kilcoo
If Muineachán V Fear Manach at Clones If An Dún V Muineachán at Páirc Esler
Semi Finals
25ú /26ú Samhain
Winner (b) V Winner (c) Winner (d) V Winner (e)
Final
9ú / 10ú Nollaig
All Ireland Semi Final 6ú /7ú Eanair 2024
All Ireland Final
20ú /21ú Eanair 2024
State of affairs as it stands:
Antrim
Final:
Cargin v Dunloy
Armagh
Final:
Clan na Gael v Crossmaglen
Cavan
Final:
Kingscourt v Gowna
Derry
Final:
Magherafelt v Glen
Donegal
Final:
Gaoth Dobhair v Naomh Conaill
Down
Final:
Burren v Kilcoo
Fermanagh
Final:
Derrygonnelly v Erne Gaels
Monaghan
Final:
Scotstown v Inniskeen
Tyrone
Final:
Errigal v Trillick
Armagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.
The QFs proper did produce a couple of minor shocks, notably Harps almost proving the whole county wrong and toppling Cross despite being massive outsiders. Clans and Madden winning their ties while not totally unexpected, the manner of both victories will have caught the attention of their semi final opponents.
Clann Éireann and Cross are the bookies' favourites to make the final and it will be a major shock if either are caught on the hop. Cross have stuttered slightly through league and championship this year, Clann Éireann have impressive from start to finish and are my tip to reclaim the title they relinquished last year.
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.
The QFs proper did produce a couple of minor shocks, notably Harps almost proving the whole county wrong and toppling Cross despite being massive outsiders. Clans and Madden winning their ties while not totally unexpected, the manner of both victories will have caught the attention of their semi final opponents.
Clann Éireann and Cross are the bookies' favourites to make the final and it will be a major shock if either are caught on the hop. Cross have stuttered slightly through league and championship this year, Clann Éireann have impressive from start to finish and are my tip to reclaim the title they relinquished last year.
Should be 2 very good semi finals, big Lurgan derby with both sides as strong as they have been in a long while, Clann Eireann flying but McPartlan of Clanns has been playing out of his skin, one of the best players in the county at the minute and a few younger lads are super players as ell. Cross and Madden will be an interesting one, thought Cross would have tanked the Harps but almost left it behind them and with Rico Kelly being called in from the seconds team gives me a feeling something isn't right there.
Still predicting a Cross and CE final though with Cross to win it.
Cross have probably got their annual championship kick up the arse warning now and will knuckle down and push on up through the gears. I thought Madden the most impressive team of the quarter winners and will give Cross all they want tho. I didn't see our performance v Cross coming tbh, I was a bit fearful but a lot of credit due to all involved as we're just not as strong as recent years. Clans, a team & club definitely on the up and certainly won't fear Clann Eireann but a year or 2 too early imo to go all the way.
Dizzy heights for Glenn in Down and Dunloy in Antrim.
Good man General cheers for this
Derry
Still f**king about with their groups AFAIK
Couldn't have put it better...
do all 16 teams still qualify from derry group stages.
14 teams in Derry senior championship this year.
2 groups of 7 with top 4 qualifying for quarter finals. Games will be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3.
Glen Magherafelt and Slaughtneil guaranteed 1/4 final spots with Lavey more or less guaranteed a place.
Bottom 2 in each group face relegation playoff. Coleraine definately in that with Ballinderry and Loup likely to join them.
Quote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.
If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.
I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.
I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it.
I've no issue at all with the group stages in Derry. All remaining games in the groups have something to play for (final postponed group game-Loup/Ballinderry might not have, based on how this weekends results pan out)
Group A - Glen only team in the QFs. Next 5 teams could all end up on 6pts if results go a certain way.
Which means that 3 clubs would qualify for the QFs on 6pts, another clubs season would be over on 6pts, (neither QF or Relegation) and the last club would be in a relegation match on 6pts. Coleraine definitely in one of the relegation spots
Group B - Magherafelt and Slaughtneil are in the QFs. With 3 teams in the running for the last two spots in that group. Newbridge, Steelstown and Kilrea. Slim chance that Kilrea could end up in the relegation match. Ballinderry definitely in one of the relegation spots.
And even though we are still in the group stages, our county final is scheduled for the same day as the Tyrone county final. Which still gives two weeks until the first round in Ulster. Really its only the Fermanagh and Down finals need to be wrapped up before the 29th.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 29, 2023, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.
If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.
I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.
I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it.
The group stages are horrible.
Zero intensity and no atmosphere for supporters.
Teams getting hammered by 15+ points and still getting rewarded with a knockout match.
Some teams even getting beat twice and still getting another bite at the cherry. Preliminary QFs are not necessary - they could easily be relegation play-offs instead with 3rd playing 4th - no dead rubbers then.
Gimme straight knockout and doubleheaders any day of the week. Maybe something closer to what Down have with a back door system.
Quote from: general_lee on September 30, 2023, 10:18:15 AMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 29, 2023, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: general_lee on September 26, 2023, 12:21:28 PMArmagh Championship this year hasn't been overly exciting due to the tedious group stages followed by the completely unnecessary preliminary quarter finals.
If you are going to have group stages - and I accept there are many who don't want this - then preliminary quarter-finals are absolutely necessary, to ensure there are no dead rubbers, and every team has something to play for up to and including the third game.
I'll caveat that by saying that unbelievably, Mullabawn actually had nothing to play for in their third game this year, due to the previous results in their group and in particular the draw between Rangers and Clans, but this was very much an exception.
I've no figures to back it up, but my sense is that there has been excellent attendances at this year's Championships to date, and this was alluded to by the County Chairman at last Monday's County Board meeting. So the public seem to be buying into it.
The group stages are horrible.
Zero intensity and no atmosphere for supporters.
Teams getting hammered by 15+ points and still getting rewarded with a knockout match.
Some teams even getting beat twice and still getting another bite at the cherry. Preliminary QFs are not necessary - they could easily be relegation play-offs instead with 3rd playing 4th - no dead rubbers then.
Gimme straight knockout and doubleheaders any day of the week. Maybe something closer to what Down have with a back door system.
Far rather straight knockout myself. Didn't Harps get a tanking in the group stage and then almost beat Cross in the knockout game?
Oisin Gallen with 1-9 for McCumhaills against Glenswilly (Michael Murphy scored 1-5).
Glenswilly were seven points up at one point, but McCumhaills are through to the semis.
Eunans through as well.
Gaoth Dobhair v Sean MacCumhaills
Naomh Conaill v St Eunan's
Quarter-finals #DerrySFC
Saturday
4pm – Newbridge v Lavey
5.45pm – Glen v Kilrea
Sunday
4pm – Slaughtneil v Bellaghy
5.45pm – Magherafelt v Ballinascreen
All in Owenbeg
Monaghan semi finals
Corduff v scotstown
Inniskeen v clontibret
Mild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Local derby anything can happen... A lot of Clann Eireann ones not too happy with the ref, Faloon let a lot go for both sides. Be some craic if Madden shocked Cross in the other semi.
It'll be a Kingscourt Gowna final in Cavan. Crosserlough were favourites and unbeaten this season, but Gowna put paid to that with a 7 point win
Glen V Slaughtneil and Newbridge V Magherafelt in Derry
Naomh Chonaill v Gaoth Dobhair final in Donegal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
The Clans will give Cross a game. Should have beaten them in the group stages, they won't fear the final.
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PMQuote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Has to be on the wind up.
Great to be back in a senior county final. The first since 2006.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PMQuote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Not a wind up. Just going by the facts and the stats of the semi-final. Hopefully I'm proved wrong in the final.
By the way, the first time that I saw the Clans play was back in the 70's when they were playing St Johns in the Ulster club championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 10:36:05 PMQuote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
Are you for real? Some of their best players were still minor this year. Shane McPartlan has been probably the player of the championship. Soupy stood up the other night but he far from their only player
Campbell and McParland are the stars of the team but Callum O'Neill is a top player in the making and has been a real addition. Some of the other younger lads like Lavery and Austin will no doubt be top players in the coming years, but O'Neill would be the standout for me and has adapted to senior football like a duck to water. Michael McConville has been very impressive also, but his size may hinder him from playing county senior. If Clan NaGael are to win they will need huge performances from Campbell and McParland and probably a more healthier contribution to the scoreboard from some of the other forwards.
Clans are far from a one man team but having seen them a couple of times in the league, the difference that Soupy & McPartlan make is substantial. McPartlan is hands down the best player in Armagh club football right now. If Cross keep those two quiet or even half keep them quiet, they'll have enough class and know-how to close out the match - just don't think Clans have anyone else to take up the scoring responsibility, Cross have options all over the field.
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2023, 07:21:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2023, 09:28:48 AMMild shock in Armagh with Clan Na Gael beating Clann Eireann. Very good side with every chance of beating Cross or Madden but I'd say they would still be on the piss by the time Ulster started!
Cross v Clans in the final.
Disappointing that Clans appear to be a one man team. Was hoping to see new young talent coming through. Cross will not give Soupy any space.
far from a one man team. I am assuming this is the only game you watched of them this year?
Down final between Burren and Kilcoo, due to be played tomorrow and on TG4, may be postponed as Kilcoo have objected to the ref and have taken their objection to Croke Park.
The ref in question is one of our finest young referees; just another example of Kilcoo's gamesmanship.
Would he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.
Some craic in Down.
Quote from: befair on October 14, 2023, 12:06:36 PMDown final between Burren and Kilcoo, due to be played tomorrow and on TG4, may be postponed as Kilcoo have objected to the ref and have taken their objection to Croke Park.
The ref in question is one of our finest young referees; just another example of Kilcoo's gamesmanship.
So David Gough has had to be drafted in. Apparently now he is pulling out as well. God know if game even be played
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 15, 2023, 12:17:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 15, 2023, 11:50:10 AMSome craic in Down.
Do explain
So Kilcoo objected to the ref and went whole way to Croke Park about it eventually David Gough gets appointed. Now apparently Gough won't be doing it and theres a doubt whether or not it'll even go ahead.
Apparently the Down CB
1. Refused to guarantee Faloons safety when he asked.
2. Refused to allow him to have open mic as he's been accused in the past of saying things to Kilcoo players.
3. Refused to issue a statement backing him.
The ref co-ordinator in Down has been getting threatening phone calls this week as well allegedly and told to stay away from game today.
Quote from: PTC on October 14, 2023, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.
Paul Faloon was never a Clonduff member. He played for Saval and referees for Drumgath
Quote from: Leonardo on October 16, 2023, 10:45:51 AMQuote from: PTC on October 14, 2023, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:16 PMWould he be of Clonduff persuasion? Kilcoo huers lol
One of his many clubs, bit like the brother who refs out of forkhill. I hear he had a great game last Saturday night.
Paul Faloon was never a Clonduff member. He played for Saval and referees for Drumgath
Played hurling for clonduff
Have to say that is some of the most outrageous stuff I have ever read regarding the conduct of a GAA club. Kilcoo are a horrible shower of f**kers and I hope every ref in the country remembers this carry on when they step out in Ulster. Unbelievable.
So only half followed this, what was Kilcoos issue with the appointed ref ?
Quote from: Itchy on October 16, 2023, 05:00:09 PMHave to say that is some of the most outrageous stuff I have ever read regarding the conduct of a GAA club. Kilcoo are a horrible shower of f**kers and I hope every ref in the country remembers this carry on when they step out in Ulster. Unbelievable.
Should a referee not referee the game as it happens ? What someone did last week, on or off the field , should not influence a referee's decision making in a game.
I wonder would the decision have been different from Down GAA if the game was not being televised? Disgraceful situation and Down Co Boards statement is as weak as piss. Kilcoo running the county and that's as clear as day
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 07:33:41 PMI wonder would the decision have been different from Down GAA if the game was not being televised? Disgraceful situation and Down Co Boards statement is as weak as piss. Kilcoo running the county and that's as clear as day
Shockin carry on.
Kilcoo should be stripped of their title and banned from next year's one.
Laverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.
Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
Quote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.
Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
That and the fact that they couldn't guarantee reds safety holds the game in disrepute. Should be n investigation in it
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2023, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.
Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
That and the fact that they couldn't guarantee reds safety holds the game in disrepute. Should be n investigation in it
He should have been booted then along with the rest of the knackers
Dunno how much of what is read is true but this is a very bad precedent to be setting. I don't know what Down GAA are playing at here tbh - this has been handled awfully. Kilcoo say why is it always Kilcoo getting picked on. I don't even know anything about them historically as I'm from another county but to put it politely they are hard to like.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2023, 08:05:10 AMDunno how much of what is read is true but this is a very bad precedent to be setting. I don't know what Down GAA are playing at here tbh - this has been handled awfully. Kilcoo say why is it always Kilcoo getting picked on. I don't even know anything about them historically as I'm from another county but to put it politely they are hard to like.
Look at the Down CB statement. Shower of clowns.
Quote from: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 08:00:56 PMLaverty said if ref remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.
Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
If that's true (& I'd have my doubts) it'll come out in the wash and Laverty's position will be untenable anyway. Down County board look absolutely ridiculous in all this imo.
If it's true why would any club send players to the county?
Its the same as 90% of the stuff written on here on the subject, made up nonsense.
I'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles. Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.
Did David Gough not do it? This is an awful needless mess - they won easy anyway.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2023, 11:41:07 AMI'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles. Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.
Perfect opportunity to not turn up for the game, with the cameras there and so on, highlighting the reasons.. missed opportunity
That said, there was no ref'ing in the game as Burren were put up no fight
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2023, 11:41:07 AMI'm surprised that they actually found a ref in the county to get the match on at all during all of this shambles. Easy for me to say, but I think there should have been a bit of ref solidarity on this.
The ref who did the final regularly does Kilcoo friendlies/ in house games
NC completely in control. 5-0 after 10 minutes. Looking ominous for GD.
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Quote from: StephenC on October 22, 2023, 04:12:25 PMNC completely in control. 5-0 after 10 minutes. Looking ominous for GD.
Ethan O'Donnell looks like he's playing an age grade above the rest
1-13 to 0-5 now
Aaron Kernan about to win his 19th county title, Jamie Clarke just converted a penalty to make it Cross 1-13 Clan na Gael 1-5, 24 mins gone in the 2nd half.
Cross just upped it slightly in second half, won pulling up in the end. Good first half but second no contest
Let me know when Gweedore turn up, shockingly poor.
Derrygonnelly Vs Kilcoo it is then.. DG had a scare in their Semi Vs Kinawley, 7 points down at one stage with 15 mins to go then ended up winning by 6.
Won the final with 14 men by 5 points too. Would expect Kilcoo to beat them but DG have that never say die attitude
Glenties looked very impressive there. As were Crossmaglen earlier.
Quote from: bannside on October 22, 2023, 07:08:45 PMGlenties looked very impressive there. As were Crossmaglen earlier.
Cross weren't up against a whole pile in the second half and won handy in the end. Be interesting to see what lessons they've learned from last year.
Most county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Gowna won Cavan today by 17 points.
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Yeah and if their granny had balls....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 10:46:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Yeah and if their granny had balls....
Now, now. In this day and age you cannot imply that their granny did not in fact have testicles.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Are Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PMAre Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Kept Soupy and the other lads who'd been flying all year quiet enough anyway but Errigal Ciaran probably a different level. Morgan would be a good help to soften up the Canavan boys.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Think the ref missed a clear black card in the first half when Oisin O'Neill was taken down when was braking through. Callum Comiskey did a great job on Campbell in both the group game and again yesterday.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PMAre Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Caolan Finnegan would be a upgrade in the forward line think he may be a long term injury. Ronan Fitzpatrick who came on near end yesterday outside of that think that was their full deck.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AMQuote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.
Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Clan Na Gael must went nearly 25 minutes after the goal without a score. Once the goal went in Cross seemed to realise they needed to kick into gear. Two disappointing county finals in a row now unfortunately after a few good ones prior to that.
Errigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.
really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 03:03:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.
really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though
Think its a bit early to be pinning hope on Aaron O'Neill after a half of championship football which was largely uncompetitive.
Cross will struggle against Errigal Ciaran. They won't get the time or space that they got yesterday in the Athletic Grounds.
Cross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Don't think Cross have the man markers for the Canavans and Harte, best hope is flooding the defence and keeping goals out. If they don't concede any goals I don't see many teams kicking more points. Easier said than done obviously.
The glory years team are up there with the best club teams ever so no real shame in that.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Ah come on Benny that's harsh, even the glory years teams had to start somewhere! I think in terms of pure talent very few can compare to Rian in any of the teams, I think the difference is the first group had a 18-19 players that Joe trusted implicitly but we were also extremely physical and we dominated teams. The second burst of glory was based around a group of better footballers than the first set but maybe not just as physically big. Still extremely tough but not as 'tough'. Also, the 2 teams that won the AIs are up there with the best ever so hard to compare.
The current group are very young. Chris Crowley, Callum Cumiskey, Paul Hughes, AK and Jamie are the only starting players over 26, most under 23. All subs from memory under 23. Do
I think they'll win Ulster? No. Would I be surprised if they made a good run at it? No.
Not intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 09:09:44 PMNot intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.
Certainly, they did not exceed the sum of the parts in most of the games to date, in the first half of the final they were almost lackadaisical at times.But the need to tighten the defence must be obvious and there is obvious room for improvement, and improvement is needed.
Not much thought been given to Trillick in here. They will believe they can beat Errigal and would give Cross a run. Probably a more solid defence than Errigal and a couple of top quality forwards will make them hard to beat.
Looks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
It's been 2 weeks at least. The topic deffo needs a revisit 🤣🤣
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 29, 2023, 06:25:01 PMIt's been 2 weeks at least. The topic deffo needs a revisit 🤣🤣
Gets me through the dark November month! 😂
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
Deffo the hardest to retain!!!
Hard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.
So that's the reason? No
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
Deffo the hardest to retain!!!
Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:00:22 PMQuote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.
So that's the reason? NoQuote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
Deffo the hardest to retain!!!
Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors
Group stages are a joke to determine 1/4 Finalists. Trillick were a penalty shootout from being knocked out in the first round
Quote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 11:13:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:00:22 PMQuote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:35 PMHard to build up any Ulster Championship know-how, give them that.
So that's the reason? NoQuote from: clarshack on October 29, 2023, 09:55:30 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
;D ive been looking forward to this conversation coming up
Deffo the hardest to retain!!!
Won't be from playing too many games compared to counties having round robins groups back doors
Group stages are a joke to determine 1/4 Finalists. Trillick were a penalty shootout from being knocked out in the first round
If that was the case maybe Tyrone teams bar EC would be able to actually compete in Ulster.. do they just get pissed after winning ?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:18:11 PMIf what was the case?
If group stages were a joke then why do counties that have them do better than Tyrone's championship?
Dublin, Galway being two I can that have recently won along with Down
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:28:43 PMThose counties clubs did better than Tyrone's when every county was straight knockout.
When did Antrim introduce groups? How have their clubs done since? Better or worse?
Antrim's had a mix of groups back doors round robins over the years ..
But currently (last ten years) the counties that are doing better have groups. More games in championships
And it may be the case that Tyrone teams are muck in Ulster regardless of straight knockouts or not
But spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap
Tyrone, Monaghan, and Donegal have been the most successful Ulster counties at inter-provincial level in the last 20 years. Yet their clubs are 3 of the 4 least successful at provincial club level. Moral of the story, do what St Galls did and draft in a rake of newcomers.
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 11:48:43 PMTyrone, Monaghan, and Donegal have been the most successful Ulster counties at inter-provincial level in the last 20 years. Yet their clubs are 3 of the 4 least successful at provincial club level. Moral of the story, do what St Galls did and draft in a rake of newcomers.
Aye no inter club transfers in Tyrone...
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 30, 2023, 12:00:28 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:40:24 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 11:28:43 PMThose counties clubs did better than Tyrone's when every county was straight knockout.
When did Antrim introduce groups? How have their clubs done since? Better or worse?
Antrim's had a mix of groups back doors round robins over the years ..
But currently (last ten years) the counties that are doing better have groups. More games in championships
And it may be the case that Tyrone teams are muck in Ulster regardless of straight knockouts or not
But spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap
The answer is that Antrim teams have done worse since the groups were introduced. But that's not because of the format. And that's the case across the board.
I don't know how you measure one championship against another but you seem to base it on how good the winners are. I'm not sure I agree with that logic.
Armagh, Derry & Down (Antrim also) are almost forgone conclusions. Their winners are good teams but it's all a bit easy to make the championship good.
Tyrone is wide open at least and the straight knockout at every level gives the do or die element.
But it's different strokes for different folks I suppose.
How do you measure success? You asked about measuring one championship over another, we hear every year that the Tyrone championship is the toughest/best and so on, but when playing the winners of other championships it's mediocre at best
Winning one part and not the whole part?
Winning one part (your own championship) and not the whole part (Ulster and All Ireland) if you measure success by just winning your county championship, that's fine.
All clubs enter their senior championship to win all their games which eventually lead to Croke park.
Antrim teams have reached Croke park 3 times, if we use them as a measuring stick, Tyrone have yet to get there.
Tyrone as a county in Ulster are top dogs, undisputed. I'm not sure of the reasons given (because it's different winners every year, or because it's the hardest to win) to why they are crap in Ulster club
I'd maybe a glass too many last night lol!
What do you not understand by 'winning the one part and not the whole part' stuff?
Pretty self-explanatory, and, at a push, genius.
Tyrone clubs now have no excuses.
I think they are the last remaining county that does straight knockout in Ulster
That means you only need to win 4 games to win Tyrone.
That will be the lowest amount of games that any team in Ulster has played to win their club championship this year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 11:40:24 PMBut spare me the myth of Tyrone's the best championship, I watched final today, was crap
Tyrone's entire championship is not one of the best because you didn't enjoy the final? Not sure I follow the logic in that one. I judge a championship by the unpredictability of it. But I mean, if you prefer often meaningless group games with the same eventual winner each year, and where said winners know they don't really have to hit their peak until their county champioship is over, then you're welcome to it.
With straight knock out there's always the more likely event of multiple champions year on year. I think the big thing about Tyrone is that there is so little between each team hence it is hard for a team to dominate. This has had a really positive impact on their county team as there are a greater number of players playing each other every championship who are able to step
Up to a higher level of football easier. Followed the game in Twitter yesterday and Trillick showed serious character. People will be making us favourites on our name alone for the 1/4 final and that's an insult to Trillick. If EC had won they'd be favourites against us so why not Trillick? Will be a tricky game to say the least!
would you say over half the county championships in the country are too predictable
There are a number of "superteams" in the country who seem to win very regularly but I think it's maybe more prevalent in ulster than it seems to be in other provinces for whatever reason.
For anyone interested, here's the breakdown of the last 20 years of county championship title winners in Ulster:
Antrim - 2 teams have shared 18 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
St Galls 10
Cargain 8
Lámh Dhearg 1
Creggan Kickhams 1
Armagh: 1 team has won 15 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Crossmaglen 15
Maghery 2
Pearse Óg 1
Clann Éireann 1
Armagh Harps 1
Cavan: 1 team has won 8 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Cavan Gaels 8
Gowna 2
Ramor United 2
Mullahoran 2
Kingscourt 2
Castlerahan 2
Ballinagh 2
Crosserlough 1
Derry - 2 teams have shared 11 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Slaughtneil 6
Ballinderry 5
Glen 2
An Lúb 2
Coleraine 2
Magherfelt 1
Bellaghy 1
Glenullin 1
Donegal - 2 teams have shared 13 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23:
Naomh Conaill 7
St Eunan's 6
Gaoth Dobhair 2
Glenswilly 3
Ard an Rátha 1
Cill Chartha 1
Down: 2 teams have shared 16 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2022-23
Kilcoo 12
Mayobridge 5
Burren 3
Fermanagh: 2 teams have shared 13 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2018-19
Derrygonnelly 9
Roslea 4
Enniskillen Gaels 2
Newtownbutler 1
Teemore 1
Tempo 1
Ederney 1
Donagh 1
Monaghan: 2 teams have shared 14 of the last 20 titles. Last back to back winner 2020-21
Scotstown 8
Clontibret 6
Latton O'Rahillys 3
Ballybay 2
Magheracloone 1
Tyrone: No back to back winner since 2004-05
Dromore 4
Trillick 3
Errigal Ciaran 3
Carrickmore 2
Coalisland 2
Clonoe 2
Omagh 2
Killyclogher 1
Dunagannon 1
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 30, 2023, 10:51:08 AMThere are a number of "superteams" in the country who seem to win very regularly but I think it's maybe more prevalent in ulster than it seems to be in other provinces for whatever reason.
The likes of Corofin or Kilmacud seem to win regularly too.
Nemo and dr crokes used to win regularly too but that seems to have stopped. Nemo and Kilmacaud are likely to always be in the mix though as they are huge. Corofin are probably smaller so more likely to be in a cycle. Dr Crokes I'm not so sure about.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 06:01:46 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 29, 2023, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster
Hold that!
Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!
They'll be spent seeing as it's the toughest championship in the northern hemisphere
What one in the Southern hemisphere is tougher? ???
manufactured success based on borders
To be fair we do hear about Tyrone's championship being the toughest ever year. Mostly from MR 2 tho. 😂
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 30, 2023, 01:14:22 PMTo be fair we do hear about Tyrone's championship being the toughest ever year. Mostly from MR 2 tho. 😂
TBF I'm generally on the wind up and find it bizarre considering the wealth of talent in those teams in Tyrone
Remember watching Cookstown play before us in Armagh (way back) I think, and was chatting to the lads saying they would trouble some senior teams in Ulster. That decent Carrickmore team were there or there abouts
Like I said its odd
Quote from: Eire90 on October 30, 2023, 01:08:47 PMmanufactured success based on borders
Are you criticising the GAA in general or just comparing it to soccer where it comes down to who can find the wealthiest Saudi prince or Russian Ogliarch to throw money at it?
Having a dominant club is usually uncorrelated with county all Ireland success. Tyrone seems to be more like Kerry and Kilkenny than anything else. The last 20 years in club have featured teams from Mayo, Ros , Galway, Armagh and Antrim winning 13 out of 20 all Irelands when the counties didn't.
I think there is a connection between the top club in Armagh and their county success.
Nearly all sports will have 2-3 dominant teams, nearly every county will have 2-3 teams who account for half to 2/3 of county titles. Up till we went on the run in 1996 it was split 3 ways, 24 to us, 20 to Armagh Harps and 14 to Clan na Gael. That was basically 2/3 of the titles. I'd say if you look at most counties this is the case. In Galway for instance too 4 teams have 81 of the titles with Tuam Stars top at 25. 4 clubs in Dublin 61 titles. Kerry more evenly spread but 2 divisional teams have 20 titles between them. Cork similar though Nemo well ahead. In Mayo Ballina and Castlebar have 68 titles between them. In Monaghan 3 clubs have 69 titles. Point is that this is generally the case.
Looking at Derry's winners from the last 20yrs - 3 teams: Slaughtneil, Glen and Coleraine had 0 titles between them in 2003. Now they have 11 between them.
Three of the winners had a long stint without one:
Glenullin were on a 20+yr wait,
Magherafelt a 30+yr wait
An lub a 60+yr wait.
And looking at the top 5 most successful clubs in Derry, they are on a bit of a county title famine:
Bellaghy 21 titles - last 2005
Ballinderry 13 titles - last 2013
Newbridge 10 titles - last 1989
Lavey 9 titles - last 1993
Dungiven 7 titles - last 1997
Quote from: Kernan_is_King on October 30, 2023, 04:15:27 PMI think there is a connection between the top club in Armagh and their county success.
You could argue that was true with Crossmaglen's AI titles from 1997-2000 , and Armagh's success around then
but Crossmaglen's 3 later AI titles doesn't correspond with Armagh's lack of success from 2007 to 2012
Great stats estimator cheers
Few sleeping giants alright...
Quote from: Snapchap on October 30, 2023, 11:36:21 AMFor anyone interested, here's the breakdown of the last 20 years of county championship title winners in Ulster:
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Good work.
Best club team not win their championship?
Dromintee had a brilliant side in the early 2000s but lost 5 finals in ten years to Cross.
Quote from: general_lee on October 30, 2023, 11:33:43 PMBest club team not win their championship?
Dromintee had a brilliant side in the early 2000s but lost 5 finals in ten years to Cross.
Define 'best'.
Poyntzpass is a great wee club and has never won a senior championship match.
Glen 5/6
Kilcoo 4/1
Scotstown 9/1
Crossmaglen 9/1
Naomh Conaill 10/1
Trillick 10/1
Gowna 28/1
Cargin 28/1
Derrygonnelly 100/1
Glen hot favourites to win Ulster. Hard to see them beaten tbh. Could be some value in Kilcoo?
Hard to see anything but Kilcoo winning on Sunday though.
Kilcoo are -7 for weekend!
Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
Hard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2023, 10:13:23 PMKilcoo are -7 for weekend!
Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
They beat Derrygonnelly in January 2022 by 16 points.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2023, 09:03:08 AMQuote from: InnocentByStander on November 02, 2023, 08:58:41 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
I think you are missing the most important bit. There are a pile of teams of similar standard.
Cargin, Cross, Glen & Kilcoo would all still win their respective championships handy enough if they were straight KO.
I am pretty sure cross didnt win the last couple that were knockout
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
It's similar in Tipp hurling and Kerry. The name of the game is competition to feed the county team.
Very strong clubs do not help the county cause. Strong club competition does. Tyrone behaves like a serious county.
A lot of county championships are dominated by 1 club and turn into turkey shoots.
Between 2002 and 2022 Galway clubs won 6 hurling and 6 club titles while the county only won a single county all Ireland.
Tyrone clubs won 0 club all Irelands and 4 Sams. It's all about priorities.
It looks like Kilmacud will feature strongly again. Will anyone from Ulster be able to stop them?
Quote from: statto on November 02, 2023, 09:30:45 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2023, 10:13:23 PMKilcoo are -7 for weekend!
Some teams only score 12 points in Ulster club
They beat Derrygonnelly in January 2022 by 16 points.
Forgot about that! Maybe the bookies are being generous ;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 02, 2023, 09:49:50 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 02, 2023, 09:03:08 AMQuote from: InnocentByStander on November 02, 2023, 08:58:41 AMQuote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:13:49 PMHard to put your finger on why the Tyrone championship is so hard to predict. Even sides with maybe only 1-2 fringe county players (Dungannon/Clonoe in the last 15 years) seem to be able to go on a run and lift the title, then don't really have the same fight in Ulster.
Not that hard to put your finger on it, straight KO, teams don't have 4/5 group games to get up to speed.
Perform from day 1 or your gone simple as.
I think you are missing the most important bit. There are a pile of teams of similar standard.
Cargin, Cross, Glen & Kilcoo would all still win their respective championships handy enough if they were straight KO.
I am pretty sure cross didnt win the last couple that were knockout
They'd still have won most of the last 25 years+.
Of the 3 recent ones they didn't win, Cullyhanna caught them with a goal from a long ball with near the last kick, Clann Eireann beat them in a final after a couple of goal keeper howlers and Maghery blew them off the field after they left Aidan Forker 1v1 inside. They've since won the last 2 without breaking a sweat.
Think it's fair to say the bookies generally are close enough with odds. Glen strong favourites to win out in Ulster. Just don't see them being stopped. Can build up nicely. Kilcoo have the longer route with tougher games. They then would be playing Scotstown, winners of that play Trillick, which is no gimme. That's a tough route to make a final. Glen on the other hand should dispose of Cargin in 2nd gear. NC should beat Gowna and will be tough enough but Glen should dispose of them pulling up. Glen v Trillick final with the Derry men striding out
The big lawds brought his A game to the gaaboard this morn that's for sure 🤣😆
Jack McCarron should make a big difference for scotstown. NC a sticky enough team too. Not sure I could see a tyrone team in the final as I think Trillick too many tough games already. I be surprised they beat Cross but I suspect BC really doesn't think what he says there...
Ah come on lads I'm not too far off with my predictions. Come back to me at the end of things and let's see who is right or wrong
Trillick v Cross is a 50/50 game and one I'm looking forward to.
Cross have the benefit of an extra week to regroup after their county final and will be hoping to make amends for the embarrassment v Ballybay last year.
Is it fair to say that Trillick probably didn't have one eye on Ulster the same way EC might have? They weren't fancied to win and might view anything at this stage as a bonus - that's not to say they won't give Cross their fill of it.
Cross came through a mediocre enough Armagh championship so they'll have upped it in training. They had looked sluggish at times against both Harps and Madden but looked a lot more mobile in the final v Clans. They looked in trouble in the first half but managed that game brilliantly and cantered to an easy win.
It will be interesting to see who referees and whether Cross will be afforded the same grace they are in Armagh when it comes to tackling. If not they'll be punished from frees by Trillick which could tip it in the Tyronies' favour.
who have Kilcoo chosen to referee their game ?
Plucky outsiders Cross just happy to be here at this stage, anything else be a bonus 😅
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2023, 01:29:06 PMPlucky outsiders Cross just happy to be here at this stage, anything else be a bonus 😅
Basically!!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 02, 2023, 12:49:09 PMwho have Kilcoo chosen to referee their game ?
Stop that, lol.
Preliminary
1. Derrygonnelly vs Kilcoo
Kilcoo+6
Qfinals
2. Trillick v Crossmaglen
Cross +3
3. Glen v Cargin
Glen +7
4. Gowna v Naomh Conaill
NC +1
5. Scotstown v Derrygonnelly/Kilcoo
Kilcoo +5
If Scotstown v Derrygonnelly at Clones, if Kilcoo v Scotstown at Páirc Esler
Kilcoo racing into an early lead 5 points to 1.
1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Quote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 04:40:23 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Not really. If you could be bothered theres posts of me supporting them, huge fan of theirs in terms of what they've achieved as a small rural club but can't condone mocking lads dead relatives or mocking victims of child sex abuse.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 06:05:23 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 04:40:23 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
kilcoo must be living rent free in your head
Not really. If you could be bothered theres posts of me supporting them, huge fan of theirs in terms of what they've achieved as a small rural club but can't condone mocking lads dead relatives or mocking victims of child sex abuse.
Ah but sure here, they are pure winners and thats what it takes ::)
The last 3 winners are all motoring - Kilcoo, KC and Corofin
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
Kilcoo looked sharp today.
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:02:42 PMQuote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
You got it badly wrong about Errigal. No reason Scotstown can't turn them over
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 08:30:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 08:02:42 PMQuote from: redzone on November 05, 2023, 07:12:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Is it not Scotstown v Kilcoo next
I don't think anyone else in Ulster will touch those 2.
You got it badly wrong about Errigal. No reason Scotstown can't turn them over
Very true lol just my opinion though. Don't see Kilcoo being caught, they've a score to settle after Glen beating them last year
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:39:06 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:13:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 05, 2023, 04:11:21 PMQuote from: grounded on November 05, 2023, 04:09:50 PM1-07 to 1 point. Looking like a repeat of their meeting in Ulster final 2022.
Hope none of the Derrygonnelly lads or their families have anything going in their personal lives that the Kilcoo c***ts will target.
Finished 3-10 to 0-03 the last time they met. They might target beating that scoreline!
4-1 for Ulster might be worth a few quid after all
Them and Glen will be some game.
Aye, it'll be an absolute classic. Tacticians will be drooling about it for years to come.
Can't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh.
Corofin with Liam Silke and Molloy back won't fear any team either. Probably past their best, but will be able to raise their game on any given day.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 09:25:20 AMQuote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh.
Mannion isn't coming back from an injury this year. I am just not convinced any other team will be able to beat them, or maybe even get close, at all though hope I am wrong.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 09:39:16 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 09:25:20 AMQuote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 08:32:15 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 06, 2023, 08:16:50 AMCan't see anyone beating kilmacaud. They look better again this year.
Raheny took them to penalties. I think Glen or Kilcoo would more than put it up to them.
Glen did rightly against them obviously and will be desperate to go one better this year and if Kilcoo hit top form again I'd say they have enough about them to stop Mannion and Walsh.
Mannion isn't coming back from an injury this year. I am just not convinced any other team will be able to beat them, or maybe even get close, at all though hope I am wrong.
Ciaran McFaul back for Glen is a massive boost, apparently playing some great stuff for them, think he could be what they need to get over the line
Is Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.
Glen come out Ulster, Corofin in Connacht, Crokes in Leinster, Munster nobody cares after that Kerry farce yesterday, hardly a cheer or roar raised all game. How could they, there was like 10 teams involved, does the cup do the round of the district clubs. End the Day Crokes are way better than last year, and stronger than everyone else, even with 5 men left, They beat Corofin in the final.
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 10:04:59 AMIs Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.
Haha, my bad was talking to a fella called Brian on the phone in work as was typing, its a monday! Yes Ciaran :-[
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 06, 2023, 11:18:50 AMGlen come out Ulster, Corofin in Connacht, Crokes in Leinster, Munster nobody cares after that Kerry farce yesterday, hardly a cheer or roar raised all game. How could they, there was like 10 teams involved, does the cup do the round of the district clubs. End the Day Crokes are way better than last year, and stronger than everyone else, even with 5 men left, They beat Corofin in the final.
Corofin weren't even favourites for that game yesterday
This year, Kilcoo look like a different team and defeated the Fermanagh champs with ease. Scotstown was a good team before McCarron joined so it is a huge task on Sunday for the Magpies. But I expect them to win.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on November 06, 2023, 11:19:38 AMQuote from: ardtole on November 06, 2023, 10:04:59 AMIs Brian any relation to Ciaran McFaul.
Haha, my bad was talking to a fella called Brian on the phone in work as was typing, its a monday! Yes Ciaran :-[
I was wondering there genuinely thought he'd a brother or something who'd came back!
Ciaran some help back surely!
See Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
Presumably, they envisage a double bill as floodlights are needed for both games.
Met Eireann give it dry from Thursday to Saturday, so they might get away with it.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Quote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PMQuote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?
I think so yes
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:16:59 PMQuote from: blasmere on November 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:04:08 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 06, 2023, 05:27:34 PMSee Trillick v Cross on RTE2 Saturday night & Kilcoo v Scotstown on TG4 Sunday.
I assume they'll not try to chance the double header for Omagh on Saturday evening?? (Pomeroy v Cullyhanna in IFC down for 5.30).
The intermediate game will be a cracker as well. 2 very good teams. Will any streaming service have the rights to it?
Ulster GAA, £60 I think for a season ticket which covers most games that aren't chosen for national coverage
Presume you can just buy the one game?
Leitrim v Teemore could be streamed at weekend so would expect so.
Trillick v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7
IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Be a few cargin ones on them at those odds
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 10, 2023, 10:33:22 AMBe a few cargin ones on them at those odds
Cargin plus 6 is a great bet, with a minute to go there wasn't much in it last time out
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7
IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7
IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.
As in the only team that has an anglicized name?
Watty Graham was a Presbyterian Clergy man also.
Not sure how he became associated with the Glen club. But if my history education is coorrcet the presbyterians were equally as dicriminated as the catholics in the earlier stages of the occupation of Ireland by the Brits.
I take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.
I may be from County Derry but I would prefer to see Cargin win as I live close to it and I have ancestry from close to their ground. I will support the Glen players when they are wearing red but there is no need to support them when playing for club.
On another note, Maghera and Toomebridge both have quite a bad reputation around this area.
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PMScotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.
Most placenames in Ulster are Gaelic.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 04:54:07 PMI take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.
I think the club use the townland name An Bhoth.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 04:54:07 PMI take it Scotstown was a planter town/name with no original irish village / settlement.
Probably Tydavnet is the closest town land. A Both is the Irish name associated with the area relating to the townland relating to the old name An Bough
Quote from: NormPeterson on November 10, 2023, 08:24:56 PMI may be from County Derry but I would prefer to see Cargin win as I live close to it and I have ancestry from close to their ground. I will support the Glen players when they are wearing red but there is no need to support them when playing for club.
On another note, Maghera and Toomebridge both have quite a bad reputation around this area.
Why?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 10, 2023, 04:10:17 PMQuote from: seafoid on November 10, 2023, 03:58:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2023, 10:08:18 AMTrillick v Crossmaglen EVS - 13/2 - 11/10
Kilcoo v - Scotstown 4/11 - 8/1 - 11/4
Glen v Cargin 1/8 - 11/1 - 6/1
Gowna v Glenties 15/8 - 13/2 - 4/7
IFC
Pomeroy v Cullyhanna 4/5 - 6/1 - 11/8
Scotstown is the only club name there that isn't from the Gaeilge
Cargin was Carraigin, the little Rock. It should be twinned with that city in Arkansas.
As in the only team that has an anglicized name?
Watty Graham was a Presbyterian Clergy man also.
Not sure how he became associated with the Glen club. But if my history education is coorrcet the presbyterians were equally as dicriminated as the catholics in the earlier stages of the occupation of Ireland by the Brits.
Until 1801 when they switched sides.
Two handy enough frees there at start of Trillick V Cross game.
Very poor efforts.
Both on correct side for the kickers. Do they not practice their kicks nowadays?
Rough crowd. Booing the dog 🤣🤣
This is painful.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 11, 2023, 07:35:24 PMThis is painful.
Errigal would have had a go. This is why I would have preferred them to beat Trillick in the Tyrone Final.
Tell me that's not a snood the trillick goalies wearin
Not the only guilty party here.
Sure, Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness not over they teams, extreme blanket defense.
Trillick got Lee Breenan up front, u think they try to isolate him abit, hard do I suppose with Cross so far back. Don't think either would beat Kilcoo.
Hard watch, Trillick will be happy to be only 2 down as they've been terrible. Cross look much better but not reflected on the scoreboard
Shocking game.
Trillick setup same again like against Clarke's and Errigal and whilst they are keeping the scores down their big problem is that Crossmaglen have a better defence than any team in Tyrone.
Crossmaglen resorting now to taking pot shots.
Trillick well on top now, Cross shooting is terrible
0-4 for Cross (2 from play) in 50 mins of football tells me McGeeney is likely over achieving than under achieving with Armagh. Underage county not strong nor is club senior club football on tonights viewing
Lee Brennan with a score that just saved football lol.
Some turnaround, Trillick cutting lose & Cross awful. Jamie Clarke the only man carrying the fight.
Quote from: clarshack on November 11, 2023, 08:19:49 PMLee Brennan with a score that just saved football lol.
Great skill
Big O'Neill poor the night, was poor against Ballybay lady year. Is he the great forward alot of people say?
It is amazing how effective the tactic of kicking the ball between the uprights is
Trillick playing good stuff now. Brennan has a bit of class. Grey a good young forward. Richie Donnelly solid around the middle
early shower for Jamie Clarke
Cross didnt score 2nd half, shocking showing, our favourite mucker James Morgan not playing? Normally be 3 bad tackles and looking at a 2nd yellow at this stage.
As poor of an effort from Crossmaglen in the Ulster championship. Red for Clarke sums up their night.
Can't see Oisin O'Neill offer any more than what Armagh already have in the Armagh Midfield.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:20:17 PMSome turnaround, Trillick cutting lose & Cross awful. Jamie Clarke the only man carrying the fight.
And now he's off. I'm not sure whats happening with Cross. Aimless kicking and toothless upfront. Rian was anonymous at full forward but had a poor supply.
Who was marking Rian ONeill
I'm guessing Cross don't have much experience at coming from behind in their Armagh leagues / championships.
They turned into a an absolute gibbering mess after the 40th minute.
Trillick played well, but they're not as good as Crossmahlen made them look.
Trillick 0-9 Crossmaglen 0-4. it was 0-7 to no score from the 26 minute enough said there.
Why are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
To be fair, Trillick were excellent in the second half.
Rafferty's glasses look seriously high strength.
will rte be allowed to show at least one of the provincial finals or are they all tg4.
Risking the wrath of BCB but Cross really aren't a patch on previous teams and this crop never will be. Their youth while always there or there abouts in Armagh are nothing special, nowhere near the glory years quality.
I feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end. Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.
I'm sure they set out this year trying to erase the Ballybay scars of last year, that was probably worse!
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
QuoteNot intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.
QuoteCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
We don't /aren't
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:51:59 PMI feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end. Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.
Meh. Frustration doesn't excuse a cowardly box like that.
I doubt he cares but Clarke's career has had "what might have been" written all over it pretty much since he first came on the scene.
That was shocking from Clarke. Would call it assault on the street
Peter mccaughey was on rian, done a great job. Although was God said in his analysis, there wasn't much support up front for him, and the ball in was very poor
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross which unfortunately includes officials and referees. There's definitely a hangover in the clubscene from their dominant period, maybe this clouds peoples' opinions of them, they aren't the force they once were. Clann Eireann are probably the strongest club in Armagh and only they thought it was a case of just showing up against Clan na Gael that they were caught out.
Clarke's red was inexplicable, dunno what he was at.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 11, 2023, 08:33:12 PMI'm guessing Cross don't have much experience at coming from behind in their Armagh leagues / championships.
They turned into a an absolute gibbering mess after the 40th minute.
Trillick played well, but they're not as good as Crossmahlen made them look.
they were behind in the quarter final against Armagh harps and a point down at ht in county final
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2023, 09:20:13 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on November 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PMWhy are Armagh people always so keen to tell you how good Cross are? Is it a psychological thing? It was once true but it's not now, if I was from Maghery, Lurgan or Armagh city I would hate cross. Should be tearing them down not building them up. Trillick weren't even good tonight but it was good enough for cross. Aw well good to see it anyhow.
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross which unfortunately includes officials and referees. There's definitely a hangover in the clubscene from their dominant period, maybe this clouds peoples' opinions of them, they aren't the force they once were. Clann Eireann are probably the strongest club in Armagh and only they thought it was a case of just showing up against Clan na Gael that they were caught out.
Don't necessarily agree with that Clann Eireann won the championship in 2021, they were 6 down and only one side in it Tony Kernan kicks a bad wide the water break comes and they get a couple of goals to win.they lose against mullaghbawn the following year in the first round who subsequently lost in the next round.the first real test they faced this year fell apart when game in melting pot and still have an over reliance on turbitt for scores.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 09:20:57 PMClarke's red was inexplicable, dunno what he was at.
He seemed to be boiling over for a while,before the sending off. Probably annoyed with how they were playing, and off the ball stuff
No Score in the second half.
Sat down to watch the match with the 2 kids. They left the room after 20 minutes to go play the Xbox. Pure muck despite some top quality forwards being on the pitch.
They missed about 5 or 6 scores of the highest quality in what turned out to be a polished and disciplined performance from Trillick. But hopefully the X Box was enjoyable.
Quote from: bannside on November 11, 2023, 10:05:11 PMThey missed about 5 or 6 scores of the highest quality in what turned out to be a polished and disciplined performance from Trillick. But hopefully the X Box was enjoyable.
I saw it, I know what they missed
Quote from: Itchy on November 11, 2023, 09:55:34 PMSat down to watch the match with the 2 kids. They left the room after 20 minutes to go play the Xbox. Pure muck despite some top quality forwards being on the pitch.
Mine more or less the same, called them back in for the dummy solo point though!
I've said it before, club football as currently played is for club supporters and football nerds like us. You can promote all you want, but you're never going to get much of an audience for it and games like that, and no doubt tomorrow's, just reinforce that lack of appeal to anyone flicking through the channels.
The frightened men from Crossmaglen.
RTE as usual presented Crossmaglen as a stellar outfit before the game and in the commentary. lazy thinking based on the jersey colour not the current team.
They were less than dominant in a weak Armagh championship this year, were whipped by Ballybay this time last year, who themselves went no further in '22 and barely avoided relegation this year. Trillick on the other hand saw off a few strong teams in Tyrone including Errigal Ciaran in their own final.
They were always going to beat a very ordinary Cross team. The well earned mythological status of Crossmaglen teams is over.
Rian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.
Quote from: Mario on November 12, 2023, 08:06:49 AMRian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.
Great highlights reel, relatively little impact on big games
If the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
See this isthe sort of thing Armagh Club followers have been telling the numerous Armagh County followers who don't bother with club football to be careful what they wish for with county management.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard
That doesn't make sense but whatever keeps ya happy...
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on November 12, 2023, 07:48:08 AMRTE as usual presented Crossmaglen as a stellar outfit before the game and in the commentary. lazy thinking based on the jersey colour not the current team.
They were less than dominant in a weak Armagh championship this year, were whipped by Ballybay this time last year, who themselves went no further in '22 and barely avoided relegation this year. Trillick on the other hand saw off a few strong teams in Tyrone including Errigal Ciaran in their own final.
They were always going to beat a very ordinary Cross team. The well earned mythological status of Crossmaglen teams is over.
It is currently suspended.
When heroes are remembered new ones emerge. Don't cry for Crossmaglen. They will be back.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 10:43:22 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard
That doesn't make sense but whatever keeps ya happy...
I'm agreeing with you, some of the senior clubs would be in and around St Gall's current level.
Quote from: Mario on November 12, 2023, 08:06:49 AMRian O'Neill isn't very consistent. He has as many bad games as he has good ones for an elite player. I accept he has a high ceiling but you don't see it often.
He had a bad year overall
Quote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 11:38:36 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 10:43:22 AMQuote from: general_lee on November 12, 2023, 10:23:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:20:29 AMIf the best in Armagh can only serve up that, how poor are the rest? Intermediate standards?
Yeah, some would even be Antrim club standard
That doesn't make sense but whatever keeps ya happy...
I'm agreeing with you, some of the senior clubs would be in and around St Gall's current level.
I'd say my club is below top intermediate teams, currently, unfortunately.
Little to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 11, 2023, 08:19:17 PM0-4 for Cross (2 from play) in 50 mins of football tells me McGeeney is likely over achieving than under achieving with Armagh. Underage county not strong nor is club senior club football on tonights viewing
Woeful. For all the talk about Rian O'Neill its a long time from he played well
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 11, 2023, 08:28:38 PMCross didnt score 2nd half, shocking showing, our favourite mucker James Morgan not playing? Normally be 3 bad tackles and looking at a 2nd yellow at this stage.
Injured.
Quote from: gallsman on November 11, 2023, 09:01:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2023, 08:51:59 PMI feel sorry for Jamie Clarke, was their only player all night, a stupid frustration red at the end. Im sure Aaron Kernan has played his last game, Jamie might join him.
Meh. Frustration doesn't excuse a cowardly box like that.
I doubt he cares but Clarke's career has had "what might have been" written all over it pretty much since he first came on the scene.
Ability to be as good as anyone that ever came out of Armagh. But just never transpired for various reasons.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
I think you're seriously under-estimating Trillick's players there. At a quick glance around 9-10 will have played on successful county teams for Tyrone at either minor, U20 or senior. Certainly won't have any fear of anyone left in Ulster
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
rs On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
That's simply a nonsense statement.
Cross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:02:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
rs On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
That's simply a nonsense statement.
Like I said last night
Quote from: general_lee
Half the county still love to brown-nose Cross
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.
Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.
Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
Think he's on about Kilcoo.
It's actually one of the things about Cross, they're more a collection of individuals.
Quote from: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
We'd our best period when Cross were winning everything. Honestly think Clann Eireann or even Cullyhanna would have given Trillick a better game.
Trillick won't fear anyone and best if luck to them. Think Kilcoo would be too cute for them though
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 12, 2023, 03:08:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 03:05:31 PMCross not a Inch on Kilcoo and they no real stand out county Men.
Rian O'Neill is one of Ulster's best forwards! Oisin will be a great addition to Armagh too if he gets a bit of luck with injuries.
2 class players and the younger brother will be serious in a year or 2 as well. Weren't much use last night but.
That could easily have bene a red card
Surely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 03:25:37 PMSurely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?
i thought so - very dangerous
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 03:14:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on November 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 01:44:17 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 11:54:06 AMLittle to say about the game. Too hard to rationalise so I won't. This hurts.
Well done to Trillick, best team over the hour. Got the match ups right and McGennitys old style methods seem to be paying dividends. They will make it difficult for whoever is in the semi (likely Kilcoo) and they won't be too far off but still think they will come up slightly short.
On a PS well done to our junior Camogs who won the Ulster championship yesterday. Many clubs would kill for what we win year on year as a club. We just have to get the head down for now and see what next year brings.
Strong Cross team is good for Armagh football. I'll always wish them and any other county title winners the best in Ulster and beyond. On paper Cross have as good or better players than any team in Ulster, certainly far better than Trillick but for whatever reason its just not happening.
Cross in the pack and other teams winning the championship is better for Armagh. Look at Kerry.
We'd our best period when Cross were winning everything. Honestly think Clann Eireann or even Cullyhanna would have given Trillick a better game.
Trillick won't fear anyone and best if luck to them. Think Kilcoo would be too cute for them though
Cross won 21 championships in 21 years and Armagh won 1 senior all Ireland which was an underachievement . The correlation is very weak.
The correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Scotstown have alot of bigger physical players.
Scotstown should probably be ahead at HT. Very tight game. Kilcoo getting away with a lot
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 03:25:37 PMSurely that should have been red for the Kilcoo full back?
Definitely a card, but not red, he sort of half backed out of it
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 03:36:40 PMThe correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Yeah those Dromintee teams would have been as good as most teams in the country but just couldn't get past the Cross hoors. ;)
Kilcoo v An Bhoth 4 points each. #Jaysus
What club are you from Armagh18? You're not a Cross man looking at your posting history.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2023, 04:04:03 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 12, 2023, 03:36:40 PMThe correlation between us being strong when Armagh won fails to recognise that Mullaghbawn won the Ulster Club the year before hand. 7 starters of the AI team came from these 2 teams. Dromintee and Clan na Gael were also very strong at the time. Couple of marquee forwards in Clarke and McDonnell on top of that. It's been discussed repeatedly that Armagh underachieved but Armagh club at the time was much stronger as a whole than now
Yeah those Dromintee teams would have been as good as most teams in the country but just couldn't get past the Cross hoors. ;)
Tyrone won 4 all Irelands since 02 because their championship is competitive.
Club football is a terrible terrible watch.
Weather, what's at stake plus the defending tactics make it a poor spectacle. But it's tense
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
its awful defensive. Soft enough penalty
Not sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:50 PMNot sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.
Yeah they had him bottled up
Thought the Kilcoo player bought the penalty as he went down very easily.
Kilcoo have done well out of the referee today.
ref beginning to lose it. Gives a bad throw up and knows he's messed up so he just scotstown a free for nothing to balance the books
Football on Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan always a bit shite to watch, heavy ground, ball never bounces right,
Was a penalty all day long, the player that came in at the end was head height.. the Kilcoo player made the ref make a decision
Thought Scotstown were beginning to get a grip on the game, but a soft enough penalty has swung the control back to Kilcoo now. 3 pts can be a big lead in this sort of game
Kilcoo are getting away with a serious amount of over carrying.
It's like pass the parcel and the Pause button is broke
Kilcoo getting their frees a lot handier
It was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PMIt was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
After he took 8 steps?
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
Gaelic football in general is now, now wonder crowds are down. But yes club is really gone difficult to bother with, neutral attendance is very low now.
Needs big change, especially about the tackle, handpassing and possession negative stuff.
Beggan has been huge in this 2nd half, Scotstown turning it on now
Man down now isn't great though
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:30:05 PMIt was definite penalty, easy decision for ref
It was needless, as they had the man surrounded, there was no need to clatter him.
Beggan is a great asset when the pressure is on.
Serious contribution from Beggan in about 60 seconds there.
Johnstone hit the deck as soon as he caught that ball
Serious point from the mark from Hughes there, I wouldn't have backed him tbh
Beggan for the win now....
A real drama finish. 1-8 to 0-12 Scotstown win with a Beggan free in the 6th minutes of added time.
Beggan is some man, what a baller
Some kick from Beggan.
No idea what Ryan McEvoy was trying to do there at the end. Should have just held possession as the whistle was about to blow
That is a seriously f**king ballsy comeback. Nerves of steel all around.
Not many will miss kilcoo.
What a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
I actually really enjoyed the the second half.
what a finish.... scotstown deserved it
Some kick by Beggan to win it. Bit of karma too for the Kilcoo full back who kicked away the possession that resulted in the free.
Quote from: grounded on November 12, 2023, 04:43:36 PMWhat a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
I actually really enjoyed the the second half.
Agreed... What a player. Great finish
I was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.
Well done the Monaghan men.
Second half was great, no matter what some on here would say. 2 great scores at the death for scotstown
You only think Armagh going out on penalties is a tough way to go, at least you got a chance, in the gods with a long range free the difference.
Great game, dunno what some people expect. Scotstown showed some serious balls there, can have a tendency to self sabotage on the big days, always there with a chance but manage to mess it up, pulled it out of the fire today. Began was superb, N6 Donal Morgan MOTM - is he even on the County team?
Quote from: gallsman on November 12, 2023, 04:43:19 PMThat is a seriously f**king ballsy comeback. Nerves of steel all around.
Not many will miss kilcoo.
Certainly won't after their carry on with the choice of referee in their County Final. Scotstowns ballsy in the image of the Monaghan county senior team.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.
Well done the Monaghan men.
Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Good riddance to Kilcoo
Beggan's earlier point from play must have been at least 70 yds out, at a time when scores were hard to come by. Delighted for scotstown, always supported Kilcoo, but they ruined their reputaion with squalid tactics over the last few years.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 04:48:50 PMGreat game, dunno what some people expect. Scotstown showed some serious balls there, can have a tendency to self sabotage on the big days, always there with a chance but manage to mess it up, pulled it out of the fire today. Began was superb, N6 Donal Morgan MOTM - is he even on the County team?
Used to be. I'd say he's well into his 30's now, 37/38. Some balls shown by Scotstown. Might be their year?
Ahhhh you love to see it. Glorious.
Enjoyed that. Scotstown will be hard beat. Thought when McCarron missed that handy free they were in bother but hats off to them.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 04:51:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.
Well done the Monaghan men.
Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Brannigan (7) was playing great for Kilcoo but wasnt the same after that shoulder that Darren Hughes put on him. It was perfectly legal too.
Hard to feel sprry for Kilcoo
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 04:57:30 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 04:51:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 04:44:46 PMI was cheering for Scotstown like a native there. As I assume was 99% of my county.
Well done the Monaghan men.
Can confirm I was too.. Hughes clutched up for Scotstown at the end there. Fantastic mark to level it and then to win the kick out
Brannigan (7) was playing great for Kilcoo but wasnt the same after that shoulder that Darren Hughes put on him. It was perfectly legal too.
Hard to feel sprry for Kilcoo
Great hit. Couldnt happen to a nicer fella.
That was unreal from big Hughes.
Justice after kilcoo dive for the penalty.
Ol tights brannigan wasn't the same after hughes put him in the canal.
What was kilcoo FB thinking of at the end? Idiotic stuff.
Beggan. Wow. What else is there to say? Best in the country. End of
I thought Darren Hughes was motm. He was excellent particularly when Kilcoo were 3 or 4 ahead.
Outstanding by Beggan at the end
Naomh Conaill 4 up at HT Vs Gowna. They have a strong blanket defence though and Gowna aren't playing well, be surprised if NC through his away now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 12, 2023, 04:15:50 PMNot sure if penalty but stupid tackle when u got a man surrounded.
Yeah, 3 men around him and it's a silly attempt at a tackle more than anything else.
Deserved a penalty just for silliness.
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 04:33:51 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2023, 04:10:29 PMClub football is a terrible terrible watch.
Gaelic football in general is now, now wonder crowds are down. But yes club is really gone difficult to bother with, neutral attendance is very low now.
Needs big change, especially about the tackle, handpassing and possession negative stuff.
Hard to say that crowds are down.
I think as every game streamed now, people buy it and watch it on tv I think.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 04:45:21 PMSecond half was great, no matter what some on here would say. 2 great scores at the death for scotstown
Same as last night.
Two really enjoyable swcond halfs.
Entertaining.
I couldn't see Scotstown coming back after the penalty but fair play to them. Hung in there and took their chances.
Kilcoo surpried me at the end. A bit panicky on the ball.
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:52:14 PMGood riddance to Kilcoo
Yeah, after the referee saga, glad they're gone. Karma.
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 05:06:48 PMOutstanding by Beggan at the end
Naomh Conaill 4 up at HT Vs Gowna. They have a strong blanket defence though and Gowna aren't playing well, be surprised if NC through his away now.
Level now
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2023, 05:18:45 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 12, 2023, 04:52:14 PMGood riddance to Kilcoo
Yeah, after the referee saga, glad they're gone. Karma.
+1
An Bhoth never had so many supporters😁
I had to stop watching the game at ht so misssed the best of it, I guess this result has seen Scotstown also defeat destiny :)
Was slapping the stand and shouting UTM for an hour not enough to see the magpies over the line? You love to see it. Well done Scotstown.
Glen, Cullyhanna, Arva for me now
Naomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
See what happens Kilcoo when they don't get to pick their own referee?
Gowna 1-10 Naomh Conaill 2-08
Kevin McGettigan goal in the 3rd minute of added time wins it for the men from Donegal.
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Defeat of Kilcoo is something that does the impossible, unites almost all of Ulster GAA.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Gowna really blew it there.
https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI/status/1723758797875753072?t=ACZRvfEAHXe-zrSwRmjicA&s=19
Kilcoo kicking it away like that is quite reminiscent of the Kilmacud keeper hoofing it away the year they won the AI. Did he think it was on the blow or something and smashed it in frustration?
Gowna's naivety lost them that game. They had done enough to win. Caught on the break a few times during the game as well.
Its a bit of a trend with Cavan club teams at senior level who struggle to have that nouse to close out games. In contrast to Scotstown today.
Very young Gowna side and a win today would have been massive for their development. But thats two heartbreaks in two years now, a loss on penalities v Enniskillen last year. Will take character to come back from that.
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
They stole it but Gowna really should have defended better and had a line ball that was thrown up
Naomh Conaill were very negative with a blanket defence and very beatable, they won't go much further
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Gowna blew it. Keeper at fault for first goal and a few bad kickouts. Gowna better over the hour to overturn 4 point half time deficit, and threw it away with that last second goal. I had thought Gowna would be better, but that's life as they're out now
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:02:10 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
They stole it but Gowna really should have defended better and had a line ball that was thrown up
Naomh Conaill were very negative with a blanket defence and very beatable, they won't go much further
Yep they should defended it better. NC not great and will be beatable by who's left. Gowna will be ruing this one
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end
Quote from: JoG2 on November 12, 2023, 04:44:41 PMQuote from: grounded on November 12, 2023, 04:43:36 PMWhat a finish. Rory Beggan worth his weight in Gold.
I actually really enjoyed the the second half.
Agreed... What a player. Great finish
He'd be playing out the field for an awful lot of clubs and still be one of their best players.
Got to say after watching that, out of the two teams i could only see Scotstown putting up a meaningful challenge to Glen(should Scotstown progress against Trillick).
Glen would choke the life out of Kilcoo, same as last year.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 12, 2023, 05:53:13 PMWas slapping the stand and shouting UTM for an hour not enough to see the magpies over the line? You love to see it. Well done Scotstown.
Glen, Cullyhanna, Arva for me now
Was a single magpie sort of day for Kilcoo.
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:08:12 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end
Gowna will be back. A ridiculously young team. 9 or 10 starters 21 or younger.
Where would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html
Echoing the sentiments of the whole country (except anyone from Kilcoo) I was very glad to see them get knocked out.
The advanced mark though is absolutely shite in its current form. There was no real skill involved in that cross field pass to Hughes that he caught easily. Yes he nailed the kick and it was a great score but it just feels wrong that he gets a free for something not patirculary skilful and definitely not in the spirit of the rule.
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2023, 08:02:43 PMEchoing the sentiments of the whole country (except anyone from Kilcoo) I was very glad to see them get knocked out.
The advanced mark though is absolutely shite in its current form. There was no real skill involved in that cross field pass to Hughes that he caught easily. Yes he nailed the kick and it was a great score but it just feels wrong that he gets a free for something not patirculary skilful and definitely not in the spirit of the rule.
True but the lesson is mark your man not filter men back into mark space. I'm delighted that's how they were bet. Shower of whingers
I'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Quote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html
Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown
I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.
They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html
Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
Think he means have a shot on goal not doing a 20m pass
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Yeah that's what I mean.
The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.
I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Quote from: Saul goodman on November 12, 2023, 09:00:20 PMQuote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown
I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.
They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html
Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Am I right in saying both clubs are Fermanagh border clubs?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Yeah that's what I mean.
The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.
I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Yeah that's what I mean.
The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.
I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Practice?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:48:24 PMQuote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Yeah that's what I mean.
The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.
I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Practice?
technique, skill? Some strike
Quote from: straightred on November 12, 2023, 09:40:09 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 09:35:31 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 12, 2023, 09:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:25:21 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2023, 08:08:54 PMI'm surprised the mark is not used like this a lot more- especially with boys who can kick from range.
It's not used more often like this as most teams don't have boys who can kick from range.
Long range? You only have to kick it 20 meters I think, if you can't kick a ball 20 meters you're fuvked
He means from the mark position, like Hughes today. A lot of players can't make that shot after the mark
Yeah that's what I mean.
The mark that Beggan set up with a 15m kick to the D is the one that any footballer should fancy taking on.
I reckon 90% of club players would go backwards or sideways from where Hughes kicked his. Most of us don't have 40m kicks in us, let alone under pressure.
Beggan hit a score from play today from just inside kilcoo's half. He just stroked it - didnt try to burst the ball. It made it over the bar with about 5 yards to spare. Don't know how he does it
Amazing score, and at a crucial time
The power he generates from the ground or that one from his hands is unreal, technique won't matter a jot without the power under the hood tho.
Quote from: full moon on November 12, 2023, 06:08:12 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on November 12, 2023, 05:59:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 12, 2023, 05:53:25 PMNaomh Conaill absolutely stole that with last kick of the game. Gowna looked to have done just enough. 2 point lead always a dangerous one
Glenties poor or Gowna better than I thought initially?
Glenties were fairly poor but they nicked the win. Just far too negative. Gowna will be hurt bad by that but they threw it away at the end
2017 the other half of the parish had Loman's on the ropes in a quarter-final, four ahead at the start of stoppage time, and a promising path for Leinster as the then-favourites were being beaten in the other quarter-finals, and we managed to lose it somehow. Still don't know how exactly, six years later. You wouldn't want to have been in that dressing room afterwards.
2018 we got up, started again, and finished the job. This Gowna team are, I think, good enough to do the same.
Beggan can have some dodgy moments as a keeper, but then there are times he does things on a pitch that look near-impossble. He is an iconic figure in the game.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 12, 2023, 09:36:27 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on November 12, 2023, 09:00:20 PMQuote from: armaghniac on November 12, 2023, 08:32:01 PMQuote from: clarshack on November 12, 2023, 07:47:12 PMQuote from: bennydorano on November 12, 2023, 07:37:16 PMWhere would you play the Trillick v Scotstown semi. Toss up between Enniskillen or Armagh?
Glen v NC a cert for Omagh I'd say.
Trillick v Scotstown could be in Armagh although it is closer to Scotstown
I see a lot of mixed reaction over Tomas McCann's red card - hard to see without a different angle if his elbow or shoulder connected with the glen man's face.
They played each other at Enniskillen in 2015.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/hughes-the-destroyer-as-scotstown-trump-trillick-to-reach-final/34203254.html
Enniskillen on geographic grounds. Sure Trillick is nearer Enniskillen than Omagh and Scotstown is not a pile further away.
Am I right in saying both clubs are Fermanagh border clubs?
Correct. Part of Kilskeery Parish (Trillick) is in Co. Fermanagh, Coa being the Fermanagh club, and Scotstown borders Roslea parish
Is that the end of Kilcoo ? Would it be better for Down to have them back in the pack?
Doubt it given they tanked every team in Down and Derrygonnelly as well and were beaten by a very good Scotstown team at the death.
You'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.
9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.
You'd near think its a mental thing with Burren at this stage. They have the players although it'll take those under 20's a few years to peak. Near sure they won an Ulster club minor 6 or 7 years ago, how many of those are still playing?
Not sure how many are playing now but that was 2016.
See that Glen won 4 in a row before that at Ulster Minor. Incredible work must been done at that club
Why would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 05:02:28 PMNot sure how many are playing now but that was 2016.
See that Glen won 4 in a row before that at Ulster Minor. Incredible work must been done at that club
Think Liam Kerr was on that team. They'd all be hitting their prime years now so you'd imagine Burren will be looking to get to be top dogs in Down soon
What is happening in Cross?. They looked miles off it again in ulster this year. I expected a big push from them this year but the manner of their defeat doesn't look good for a challenge attempt on ulster in the coming years.
Not sure if its a lack of competition in Armagh or what. Although their last Ulster in 2015 they walked Armagh. I know the quality isn't what it was in their glory days but any team with 2x O'Neills, Clarke, McConville, Hughes and Cumiskey should be doing a lot better. None of them turned up the other night bar Jamie. Hard to put your finger on it.
do they use in house management all the time ?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 04:21:42 PMYou'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.
9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.
Glen won 4 in-a-row Ulster Minor titles I think.
Takes a good few years to brink them through. Maybe 6 or 7 years to bring them through.
Glen have done a good job of that in fairness. Every club should look at that underage development and use it as a template.
Quote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 07:41:21 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2023, 04:21:42 PMYou'd imagine Kilcoo will have serious competition from Burren in the coming years could take a while though.
9 Burren players named on Down Ulster U20 winning team this year in one game.
Glen won 4 in-a-row Ulster Minor titles I think.
Takes a good few years to brink them through. Maybe 6 or 7 years to bring them through.
Glen have done a good job of that in fairness. Every club should look at that underage development and use it as a template.
It's about maintaining it....
We won 5 in a row at minor and under 21 in Antrim, trying to keep possibly 60 odd players during that period happy at not getting starting places on a senior team!
But in fairness that's what ya need to mount a serious challenge at the club series
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
at the last? Jesus looked at free all day to me
Only beat by a point so going nowhere soon. That being said Lavery aging probably not going to help them as he was a serious player on his day (a diving wee bollocks yes but fantastic footballer). Really they won down at a canter and have obviously got inside a lot of the oppositions heads with the way a number of their games panned out.
Quote from: skat man on November 14, 2023, 06:48:16 PMdo they use in house management all the time ?
Yeah. Don't think they've ever had an outsider as far as I remember anyway. I'd say theres a fella thats just hung the boots up in the last few days who'll be in that hotseat within the next few years.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could. Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team.
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 01:19:13 AMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could. Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team.
Scotstown just edged them with the last kick of the game.
They're still top dogs in Down, beat Derrygonnelly handy enough, so they'll be there or there abouts next yesr again I think.
They just got caught at the death. I wouldn't write them off by that. It's not as if the Monaghan lads beat them by 10 pts.
Kilcoo will cruise Down again next year and will still be close in Ulster. Scotstown are a very good side. Just look at the names on the team sheet. There wasn't much last year between Kilcoo and Glen in the final. Had kilcoo scored their penalty before HT the result might have been different and Glen should've won the All Ireland. Some really good teams in Ulster. Scotstown v Trillick should be another close game. With the likes of Kilmacud or corofin most likely coming out of their provinces it makes for a very interesting all Ireland.
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was a free all day long. He had a hold of his shorts at one stage and it's a free whether that's the 1st minute out the field, or the 65th minute where it was. Thought the penalty was correct too as you can't come at a man like that
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 11:06:35 PMQuote from: skat man on November 14, 2023, 06:48:16 PMdo they use in house management all the time ?
Yeah. Don't think they've ever had an outsider as far as I remember anyway. I'd say theres a fella thats just hung the boots up in the last few days who'll be in that hotseat within the next few years.
Have often had external fitness coaches and trainers but never an outside manager. Something to be proud of in many ways but I suppose historically there's always been fairly qualified people to stand up to the job.
Kilcoo were superb this year in Down at times. Looked as strong as they'd ever been. You have to remember that they were without one of the most deadliest finishers in the province, Jerome Johnston, and the physical power of Dylan Ward at midfield. They were two huge losses. That's why so much credit must go to Scotstown because they've beat a seriously strong team. The standard in Ulster is high and it can only but set up the provincial winners for a good stab at the Andy Merrigan.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 06:37:19 PMNot sure if its a lack of competition in Armagh or what. Although their last Ulster in 2015 they walked Armagh. I know the quality isn't what it was in their glory days but any team with 2x O'Neills, Clarke, McConville, Hughes and Cumiskey should be doing a lot better. None of them turned up the other night bar Jamie. Hard to put your finger on it.
Apart from all the politics that has been going on behind the scenes:
Haven't got a solid no1 between the sticks - especially one that can play a bit of ball and act as a 1+.
They parachuted in a 37 year old at full back. Not to say he hasn't done a decent job, but they must be lacking either options or faith in the youth conveyor belt if he's no1 option.
AK
as good as he has been all these years probably over-stayed slightly. It's hard to tell exactly what his role was at times the last year or so - probably keeping a younger lad out or the team that would do no different to what he was doing.
Oisin has been out for ages and doesn't look at full fitness yet.
Rian looks like he doesn't give a shit half the time. He's been pretty average for Cross this year (by his own very high standards)
Jamie Clarke is almost guaranteed to get carded every match. Don't understand the decision to have him captain either.
All the above is fine to a certain extent, nothing really any other club would be dealing with. It's certainly manageable when negotiating past the limp resistance of the likes of Sarsfields, Mullaghbawn etc in the Armagh championship.
But when it comes to a proper tilt at Ulster you need to be on it and Cross still seem to be struggling with the transition from their old (arrogant) kicking style to the more defensive approach.
Trillick v Scotstown is in Armagh
Glenties v glen is in Omagh I am hearing
Glen v Glenties 5.30pm Healy Park live on RTE
Trillick v Scotstown 1pm Athletic Grounds live on TG4
Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 15, 2023, 04:18:59 PMGlen v Glenties 5.30pm Healy Park live on RTE
Trillick v Scotstown 1pm Athletic Grounds live on TG4
The Naomh Conaill men wouldn't be overly keen on Glenties as their club name.. Its like putting up Maghera v Glenties
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2023, 07:59:54 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 01:19:13 AMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
Winning groups always find a way. Kilcoo won the all Ireland. Maybe this current team has done all it could. Crossmaglen are currently off the boil. It happens to all teams in every sport . Kilcoo will be back but maybe not with this team.
Scotstown just edged them with the last kick of the game.
They're still top dogs in Down, beat Derrygonnelly handy enough, so they'll be there or there abouts next yesr again I think.
They just got caught at the death. I wouldn't write them off by that. It's not as if the Monaghan lads beat them by 10 pts.
Yeah they got caught at the death in the same way they caught Glen at the death the year they won the All Ireland. I'd be very surprised if they don't win Down next year and be back into Ulster again.
Long run for Trillick for a 1pm start. Thought Enniskillen would have got that match.
The could stay overnight in safe houses in Blackwatertown.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
Has any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ?
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
I thought it was a clear free at the end. Kilcoo player clearly was on the wrong side of Hughes and the cross field ball was under hit to him. He pulled Hughes back.
No complaints from the Down lads.
My take on it was Hughes put his hand in air to signal Beggan to come up and hit it.
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The Naomh Conaill men wouldn't be overly keen on Glenties as their club name.. Its like putting up Maghera v Glenties
Should I apologise in Irish or English?
Quote from: marty34 on November 16, 2023, 08:00:38 AMQuote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
I thought it was a clear free at the end. Kilcoo player clearly was on the wrong side of Hughes and the cross field ball was under hit to him. He pulled Hughes back.
No complaints from the Down lads.
My take on it was Hughes put his hand in air to signal Beggan to come up and hit it.
It was a blatant free - it was a tired tackle and yeah pretty sure that's what Hughes was doing. Not sure how anyone wouldn't see that as a free.
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
Calling for a mark? You'd need to watch it again.
https://x.com/bbcsportni/status/1723758797875753072?s=46
Think he just puts his hands out, to calm it down and bring up the keeper..
The Kilcoo lads didn't react, the Kilcoo player was completely tackling from the wrong side so easy enough free to give.
The ramifications of the free are different, but its a free in the first minute and a free in the last..
Rory gets some height in that free!
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ?
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2023, 11:19:45 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ?
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see
Inaugural winners of the Lory Meagher cup in hurling too
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
Stonewall pen. Needless over aggression from hughes.
There was no mark, he knew for certain it was a free and wanted beggan to hit it. I think the linesman was smiling as he was trying to steal yards.
Quote from: Link on November 16, 2023, 01:34:14 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 12:51:55 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2023, 09:52:40 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 14, 2023, 09:23:04 PMQuote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2023, 05:45:38 PMWhy would it be the end for Kilcoo? May as well ask is it the end for Crossmaglen. An Ulster championship is always hard won, getting beat by Scotstown is no disgrace. They'll be team to beat in Down again next year.
There are 7 county team players plus captain and motm Donal Morgan in the Scotstown team.
I thought the ref did well in a heated encounter, despite awarding a soft penalty and a late soft free to Kilcoo to put them a point ahead. but somewhat balanced to a very small degree by the soft free awarded for a bit of a pullback on K Hughes, however that was about 55m out near the sideline.
That was an easy penalty to give, the lad that came in at the end was the culprit
Darren Hughes it was, from what I saw Darren was almost stationary when the Kilcoo player ran into Darren's partially outstretched arm and on auto pilot hit the grass in agony. There was a obstruction foul in the build up which the ref later correctly gave a yellow to the Scotstown player (Caulfield), I think that foul where the ref played advantage affected his penalty call judgement.
In the last play not even Kieran Hughes thought he was fouled, after easily breaking free he raised his arm (in error) for a mark that wasn't a mark, the linesman came over to him grinning and hand gestured to Kieran to relax, that it was a free and to put the ball down.
Stonewall pen. Needless over aggression from hughes.
There was no mark, he knew for certain it was a free and wanted beggan to hit it. I think the linesman was smiling as he was trying to steal yards.
100% agree, definite free and a definite penalty, can't see how there would be any complaints over either.
Goes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2023, 01:26:55 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2023, 11:19:45 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 16, 2023, 07:52:41 AMHas any Monaghan team other than the lady footballers won an All Ireland ?
2 All Ireland Intermediate Club Championships as far as I can see
Inaugural winners of the Lory Meagher cup in hurling too
GRMA
Scotstown winning the All Ireland would be special too.
An rud is annamh is íontach
Quote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
People see what they want to see....
I could maybe understand why someone might not think that was a penalty but the kilcoo fella even knew he'd fouled hughes. You won't see many more clear cut frees.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2023, 09:23:14 PMI could maybe understand why someone might not think that was a penalty but the kilcoo fella even knew he'd fouled hughes. You won't see many more clear cut frees.
Penalty probably could have gone either way, went down handy but silly challenge to make as they had him surrounded. Hughes one was clear cut, he was gone and your man grabbed a hold of him
Quote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
On the contrary, in the past I have admired and applauded Noel's refereeing even when he was criticized here and in this game I have already remarked here that he had a good game, has anyone else written that?
To me the contact on Hughes was minimal and he broke free easy enough, that's just my opinion.
I would've thought the accepted scenario is the ref plays on or plays advantage.
Around the 11th minute, a Kilcoo player safe in possession on the Scotstown 20m line was covered by 2 defenders when a third Scotstown player (nr 2) came in and floored him with a punch (or equivalent), play on says the ref who was well positioned, though I have croc tears for the Kilcoo player he was clearly poleaxed, out for the count.
Would anyone here have disagreed had there been a very scorable free awarded and a yellow or worse card dished out? yet for minimal contact foul incidents all are shouting foul with such clarity. Imo the last free for Kilcoo, the player totally dived, maybe 5% contact 95% dive.
Perhaps yes I am confused between minimal contact fouls which are applauded here with such certainty compared to blatant hits which are not penalised.
Quote from: Main Street on November 16, 2023, 11:17:17 PMQuote from: Lucifer on November 16, 2023, 02:54:23 PMGoes to show you what referees have to deal with when those are being thrown up as contentious.
On the contrary, in the past I have admired and applauded Noel's refereeing even when he was criticized here and in this game I have already remarked here that he had a good game, has anyone else written that?
To me the contact on Hughes was minimal and he broke free easy enough, that's just my opinion.
I would've thought the accepted scenario is the ref plays on or plays advantage.
Around the 11th minute, a Kilcoo player safe in possession on the Scotstown 20m line was covered by 2 defenders when a third Scotstown player (nr 2) came in and floored him with a punch (or equivalent), play on says the ref who was well positioned, though I have croc tears for the Kilcoo player he was clearly poleaxed, out for the count.
Would anyone here have disagreed had there been a very scorable free awarded and a yellow or worse card dished out? yet for minimal contact foul incidents all are shouting foul with such clarity. Imo the last free for Kilcoo, the player totally dived, maybe 5% contact 95% dive.
Perhaps yes I am confused between minimal contact fouls which are applauded here with such certainty compared to blatant hits which are not penalised.
I've highlighted the issue here. There is no rule that differentiates between the degree of contact. If a player doesn't make a genuine attempt to
play the ball it doesn't matter how light or heavy the contact is it is a foul by the rules.
The only physical contact allowed in GAA is?
Anything after that is deemed a foul
No harm to Hurson, but that lad was dragged down there trying to shoot,should been a easy call.
Glen lads not know what a mark is, there 3 they not took
Hurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:58:04 PMHurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.
Yip should have been hop ball
Glass having some game
Glen players especially their defenders don't understand what a mark us, Warnock had a easy one there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 05:58:04 PMHurson, give the free for charging there, Dougan turns round, get shouldered in the back, and no free and throw up ball. Bad call.
He went down very easy for a big lad.. hate bluffers
Enjoyable enough game. Glen not looking like potential All Ireland winners it has to be said, but they do like a bit of a 2nd half surge
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:02:19 PMGlen players especially their defenders don't understand what a mark us, Warnock had a easy one there.
To be fair there was space in front of him and his shot wasn't a mile wide
Glen should be out sight, they have a very bad habit of keeping teams in it, J Doherty not there is a big different, but I can't understand why Warnock not No.6 and McFaul up front, he's badly needed there, and either of the McDermotts can play defence. Glen looked better last year, biggest issue is up front, they 2 men short there.
See Milltown thats u problem, on another thread u taking about a foul been a foul no matter the degree of contact, yet that one was so obviously but nothing to see here. Plus the obvious drag down early on. People are frustrated with Refs, when they miss the simple, easy ones in front of them, and u sit wondering why there so much ho ha with the tighter calls. .
That one horseshit! Lad fell back trying to buy one,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:10:12 PMSee Milltown thats u problem, on another thread u taking about a foul been a foul no matter the degree of contact, yet that one was so obviously but nothing to see here. Plus the obvious drag down early on. People are frustrated with Refs, when they miss the simple, easy ones in front of them, and u sit wondering why there so much ho ha with the tighter calls. .
It's was a free and if we started hopping the ball for every pushing and shoving after a free it'll be hop balls all the time.
Two atrocious decisions.
First for free against mcGuckian and then the penalty against the same lad
It was a shoulder into the back, not a push.
Hurson having an absolute shocker.
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.
Gave Glen a handy one there
McFaul non existent, needs to get into it
But that was so obvious not even a free, McGuckin in front of him, and the big lad thrown himself up legs in the air.Then McGuckin fell over him. Before the ball was even in,then the Glenties lads all started shouting, actually looked pre planned. So what were the Umpires looking at?
McFaul, as previously say, should be up front, not in Defence.
Another awful miss.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:26:51 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.
Gave Glen a handy one there
You think a shoulder in the back is OK, so forgive me if I don't take you seriously
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:36:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 06:26:51 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on November 25, 2023, 06:25:32 PMHurson having an absolute shocker.
Gave Glen a handy one there
You think a shoulder in the back is OK, so forgive me if I don't take you seriously
Not talking about that one, free just past the 40, player barely touched him and the Glen man missed the free
Glen forwards very poor!
McGuckian good for a dive
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 06:43:17 PMMcGuckian good for a dive
Your man clipped him for good measure
Is that not a black card for Glen keeper? Surely if its a foul its a black card?
Shooting has been abysmal
Glen must have missed at least 5+ points in this game. They been very poor the night.
19 misses a handy mark then scores a wordlie. What a man lol
Jaysus, the Glenties man dropping the ball off the kick out was very costly, couldn't have happened at a worse time
Cruel way to lose. NC deserved to get to extra time. Glen will need to improve.
Glen lucky enough
Same time I thought the pen was tame
Bad aul game, Glen well off what you would expect of them. Would need a big improvement for the final you'd imagine
If the NC player had not have lay down at the end the ref would have blown on 3 mins
Naomh Conall deserved a crack at extra time. Hope whoever wins tomorrow goes onto win the Final.
Don't care who wins as long as they beat that Man City Kilmacud team ;)
You can't imagine Glen will be as bad the next day. However they've big problens up front.
Glen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PMGlen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.
Not a chance. Be no more than a few scores either way.
There none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Not sure if possession stats but they controlled the game but generally in Ulster club there's never too many big scoring games or much between them at the end come semi finals, be same tomorrow
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 06:58:31 PMGlen very lucky there, played incredible badly. Missed an awful lot, ref hocked them for a penalty and 2 scores. But still missed shot after shot, literally, only have Doherty and McGuckin up front, J Doherty back will improve them, but I push McFaul up front.O'Hara never seems to start, but looks a ideal target man. Tallon, Alex Doherty very poor. On the last couple of Glen showings Scotstown/ Trillick could hockey them in the final. Outside of the club final last year, Glen also seem to be a lucky team.
Tbf good teams make their own luck.
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Jealousy an awful thing?
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Ethan never got an all star.
Glass was outstanding in first half.
Advanced mark is there to be used. Not glens fault it is in operation.
Closer than expected but Glen will have learnt a lot more from that competitive contest than winning pulling up.
Thought Glass played rightly. He's not the problem they have.
Nobody was made of bigger chocolate than the Glenties full back.!
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Don't think Oso is a fan
Games at this time of the year are won by a team generally able to score 13-14 scores. It's rare to get much higher than that. Glen will be happy enough. In a final, haven't really played that well but still have loads in the tank. They know how to win it whereas neither Trillick nor Scotstown do, though the latter have a team who have been in the final before. Still think Glen win the final but not by more than 2-3
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 08:19:31 PMGames at this time of the year are won by a team generally able to score 13-14 scores. It's rare to get much higher than that. Glen will be happy enough. In a final, haven't really played that well but still have loads in the tank. They know how to win it whereas neither Trillick nor Scotstown do, though the latter have a team who have been in the final before. Still think Glen win the final but not by more than 2-3
Be a very tight final. I don't think it will matter as both them teams have huge experience
Quote from: theticklemister on November 25, 2023, 07:12:51 PMQuote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Ethan never got an all star.
Glass was outstanding in first half.
Advanced mark is there to be used. Not glens fault it is in operation.
Apologies meant to type all star nomination but I stand corrected on that, because he wasn't nominated - rightly so.
Glass was outstanding? Really??? How so? I missed that part, read a few kick outs but are we lauding him for that alone?
I never implied the advanced mark was Glen's invention. But to be rewarded with a free kick at goal for merely being able to catch a ball unopposed as a senior footballer is just daft. Can you not see that? My observation was about the rule and the fact that Glen murdered it tonight and demonstrated why it needs to be done away with.
Posters get very parochial on here, and GAA fans in general. Everything has to be sour grapes or jelousy as people make fools of themselves defending their own just because they're their own. I
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be, and I believe the advanced mark is a daft rule as exemplified this evening.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 07:47:25 PMQuote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Don't think Oso is a fan
I'm not a fan of watching that kind of football - anyone who is a fan of watching grown men get a free kick at goal for being able to catch a ball unopposed (basically being able to execute one of the fundamental skills of the game) needs to review what they want to get out of gaelic football.
And I'm not a fan of rolling around holding your face/head when you weren't touched on it and diving for frees.
Maybe you are.
Agree re the advanced mark. A scourge on the game. It and the black card need gone.
Very poor from both teams. Glen probably the better side but youd hardly know it from that performance. Glass was poor, as was Ethan Doherty.
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 08:37:15 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2023, 07:47:25 PMQuote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 07:09:04 PMMaybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability. How Ethan Doherty got an all star is beyond me, runs aimlessly until he runs out of space and can't take scores.
Conor Glass, totally anonymous again and yet gets everything from referees.
Glen murdered the advanced mark tonight that nonsense needs to go in football.
Some of the Glen players appear to be made of chocolate. Seems very common they go down holding their head. Is it a coached thing?
Don't think Oso is a fan
I'm not a fan of watching that kind of football - anyone who is a fan of watching grown men get a free kick at goal for being able to catch a ball unopposed (basically being able to execute one of the fundamental skills of the game) needs to review what they want to get out of gaelic football.
And I'm not a fan of rolling around holding your face/head when you weren't touched on it and diving for frees.
Maybe you are.
I love this shit. Quite simply do all/most teams not play this way now?
I see more and more rolling around/playacting
Finally, if Glen aren't a good team, who are? Tis a high bar you set my friend
Glen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:03:10 PMThere none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Scotstown were very good agai at kilcoo would expect them get over trillick tomorrow.Scotstown with age profile of some of their players would need to get an Ulster in next year or two if going to do it. Corofin quietly going about their business in the west. Not impressed with glen at all don't think they have the forwards to win all ireland.11 points against 14 men last day and 10 points tonight, lack of goals/looking like getting goals bound be a worry.
Yer man talkin about diving, he must have missed the pen
Quote from: statto on November 25, 2023, 08:56:09 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 07:03:10 PMThere none of the Ulster teams be fit for Crokes from what we seen of them this year. They way better than last year.
Scotstown were very good agai at kilcoo would expect them get over trillick tomorrow.Scotstown with age profile of some of their players would need to get an Ulster in next year or two if going to do it. Corofin quietly going about their business in the west. Not impressed with glen at all don't think they have the forwards to win all ireland.11 points against 14 men last day and again tonight, lack of goals/looking like getting goals bound be a worry.
I'd thought Scotstown's window for success outside Monaghan had passed. But adding McCarron into the mix (who traditionally is best in winter football), the Hughes's still performing strong, and Beggan & McCarthy playing as good as they ever have - and they have a team that can perform to a very high level when they're on form. They have a rake of key county players, and a handful of others who have been around the panel and on underage teams. On paper they're a very strong club side, but they haven't always clicked when push came to shove. Maybe this is the year but we'll see soon enough.
Mind you some would say this would be expected of a club of their size and pick, but that's a debate for another thread...
It's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .
In fact it's hardly been mentioned.
He moved down the road, Walsh moved a no.of counties away.
Is that not worse?
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .
In fact it's hardly been mentioned.
Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.
Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.
Quote from: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:19:47 PMQuote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .
In fact it's hardly been mentioned.
Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.
Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.
Did he not try when he was younger but there was a huge kick up at that stage so he backed down?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 25, 2023, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on November 25, 2023, 09:19:47 PMQuote from: FermGael on November 25, 2023, 09:11:37 PMIt's very strange that the Jack McCarron transfer does not seem to getting anything like the same negative publicity when you compare it to what Crokes and Walsh got .
In fact it's hardly been mentioned.
Well it's been a fairly controversial topic in Monaghan, depending who you're talking to. If he'd moved earlier in his career then I doubt there'd have been as much said about it, given it's his father's club. It's the fact that he's moving in his prime when they're already the strongest and biggest (by far) club in the county that has annoyed some people.
Maybe that hasn't come across outside the county though.
Did he not try when he was younger but there was a huge kick up at that stage so he backed down?
Could be, can't remember details but that rings a bell.
My theory is that Dick wouldn't let him transfer when he was still playing! Currin had some success at lower levels, which would have been tougher without Jack.
Opening a beer soon, need to hear more from Oso. 'Oso's Opinions... '
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 08:54:50 PMGlen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic
Well I'd expect you to follow the narrative anyway.
I said a team of runners but average footballers. I keep hearing excuses for them not being able to kick scores, off day in front of the post, but if they'd taken their chances etc, etc. Maybe, when there's pressure on they're just not good enough to take the scores. And we keep getting told they're timing it til they peak etc.
Maybe judge it on merit.
Forward and defensive mark should be banished from the sport.
Glen are in the top 2 in Ulster so cannot be bang average.
I don't think refs buy most of the rolling around so not sure why players keep at it. They must watch games back and be embarrassed.
Quote from: Oso on November 25, 2023, 09:49:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 08:54:50 PMGlen a kick of the ball away from wining the Club final last year, to being average? But in the Ulster final again, some craic
Well I'd expect you to follow the narrative anyway.
I said a team of runners but average footballers. I keep hearing excuses for them not being able to kick scores, off day in front of the post, but if they'd taken their chances etc, etc. Maybe, when there's pressure on they're just not good enough to take the scores. And we keep getting told they're timing it til they peak etc.
Maybe judge it on merit.
What's that say about the teams they have duffed theses last couple of years if they are poor enough?
Not sure if it's been mentioned but what a game of small margins.
The failed catch at the end by NC player.... he almost turned around expecting the break to be gone but then realised he could of had it and then Glen nicked it when it was loose and go down to kick the winner.
Unlucky NC. Great effort.
Quote from: WT4E on November 25, 2023, 10:47:57 PMNot sure if it's been mentioned but what a game of small margins.
The failed catch at the end by NC player.... he almost turned around expecting the break to be gone but then realised he could of had it and then Glen nicked it when it was loose and go down to kick the winner.
Unlucky NC. Great effort.
Yeah felt for him there but thats the fine margins at this level, sometimes you get the rub of the green sometimes you don't. Looking forward to the other semi and final, should be 2 good close games.
As close as it was, maybe a reality check is needed, Glen I thought were awful, compared to some games I seen them play this year. Glenties couldn't mount a score to the 20+ minute. Got a penalty gifted to them,Glen a penalty or def free denied, think he was inside, when pulled back, outside of Thompson they offered very little else.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2023, 11:58:51 PMAs close as it was, maybe a reality check is needed, Glen I thought were awful, compared to some games I seen them play this year. Glenties couldn't mount a score to the 20+ minute. Got a penalty gifted to them,Glen a penalty or def free denied, think he was inside, when pulled back, outside of Thompson they offered very little else.
Sometimes teams play poorly because the opposition nullify them. Credit to NC I feel.
You get the feeling Scotstown are further down the road and won't be giving Glen second chances.
I know I'm going against my own logic here... but I'm fancying the Tyrone lads to do it today. Think they've had enough time to get over the joys of the last game and refocus on Scotstown.
Can't see it being another high scoring game either so tight opening 20 minutes
Kevin Falloon refereeing, this could be fun!
Scotstown very composed on the ball, not afraid to shoot from distance,
Rory has some stature on the pitch...
Fair amount of wides so far
Scotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.
Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?
Trillick looking pretty poor to date. Faloon won't be giving too many handy frees
Train all year and still 16 minutes with no score.... Should be in the wtf thread
Quote from: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:15:41 PMScotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.
Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?
Yes that's him.
Poor game so far.
Some strike from Beggan there.
Scotstown playing into the shooting end with the aid of a breeze in 1st, so Trillick certainly not done for.
Scotstown more clinical so far. I wouldn't rule Trillick out just yet.
Quote from: square_ball on November 26, 2023, 01:15:41 PMScotstown look a bit too big and physical at this stage for Trillick.
Is that Peter Donnelly I spotted in the Scotatown backroom team?
Yes Pete Donnelly is coach along with Diarmuid Scullion (all Ireland Derry minor winning coach)
They'd be better off letting Scotstown shot from wide angles rather than blocking and giving Beggan a 45
Scotstown looking a bit too strong all over
Saying that, Trillick started similarly against cross
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 01:22:27 PMSome strike from Beggan there.
More than a fine strike from Beggan, he was aiming to hit the inside of the post.
K Hughes has an outrageous pair of hands
Quote from: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 01:24:33 PMThey'd be better off letting Scotstown shot from wide angles rather than blocking and giving Beggan a 45
Like back in the day when teams played Stoke they'd rather give away a corner than a throw in for Rory Delap.
Wides could cost Scotstoun yet wow goal.
Very careless
Massive score by Trillick on the stroke of half time.
What a finish to the half!!
Young seanie
And just like that the game turns.
Interesting 2nd half coming up.
Scotstown weren't clinical enough when they looked to be on top of the game, had plenty of wides. We'll see what they're made of now, big half needed and Trillick will be flying now.
Good game this.
This is as good as gets at this time of year
Great stuff
Smell a long distance Beggan equaliser
Yellow card for a trip?
As tight as they come. Could be the same as last night, one slip or mistake could be the difference
That's the faintest of touches for a 40!
A great battle going right to the wire
Didn't think Lee would have the legs for that!!
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2023, 02:14:35 PMSmell a long distance Beggan equaliser
Could well be right at this stage. Great kick by Brennan.
The only 40 he's put over
Jaysus McCarthy is some man
Conor very quiet but steps up when it mattered
Wow... those kids in the background hugging! Great stuff
I'll take another 20 minutes of this.
Thought Trillick had it, was something funny about the only 45 which Brennan had the distance for, would be an injury time winner. Some stones by Scotstown to work the equaliser though
Great finish. Leeroy Brennan be gutted 😜
Don't think this board could cope with Tyrone Senior Club Champs. As a Derryman I deffo couldn't 😆
Referee has been absolutely outstanding today.
Well done.
Looking forward to extra time
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:18:48 PMThat's the faintest of touches for a 40!
Was a great spot by umpire in fairness.
Very enjoyable contest.
A great even contest with both teams equally knackered at the end, that last equaliser was the easiest score all game for Scotstown.
Cracking fair play to Brennan on the 45 he'd droppped 2 short before that great kick.
McCarthy well used to breaking for the deciding score fair play to both teams.
Good result for Glen too!
Quote from: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 02:29:51 PMCracking fair play to Brennan on the 45 he'd droppped 2 short before that great kick.
McCarthy well used to breaking for the deciding score fair play to both teams.
Good result for Glen too!
That have 2 weeks break not one... it won't affect them
Trillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!
You only get them for winning the toughest championship ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!
You only get them for winning the toughest championship ;)
Is there a wee asterix for outsiders on your team?? 8)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:37:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2023, 02:32:50 PMTrillick must have won the AI club a fair bit going by those stars on the shoulder!
You only get them for winning the toughest championship ;)
Is there a wee asterix for outsiders on your team?? 8)
;D
Depends on the wind up
This makes up for there only being one game today!!
While not pretty it's tense
Hopefully the penalty takers got plenty of practice
Late tackle on K Hughes, no free?
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
Ref made up for it with a very soft one for McCarron to tap over.
Quote from: theticklemister on November 26, 2023, 02:24:20 PMReferee has been absolutely outstanding today.
Well done.
Looking forward to extra time
That last point for Scotstown was far from a free.
Kevin O'Brien , former corofin manager in Scotstown back room team too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Trillick lad was charging and was making no attempt to pick the ball up with Scotstown players around him, that was a fair free imo
Quote from: Schkite on November 26, 2023, 02:48:09 PMTrillick lad was charging and was making no attempt to pick the ball up with Scotstown players around him, that was a fair free imo
Exactly, was Ryan O'Toole just meant to let him out? He stood his ground
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying
Not sure on that one
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:49:53 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying
Not sure on that one
Could it be that Kieran H had hit the ball wide and out of play, therefore the late tackle had no effect on the game, no free kick but was still a yellow card offense?
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:53:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:49:53 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Oh that one.. sorry thought it was the free for over carrying
Not sure on that one
Could it be that Kieran H had hit the ball wide and out of play, therefore the late tackle had no effect on the game, no free kick but was still a yellow card offense?
With me if it's a foul he's 5 seconds advantage, if he misses within 5 seconds pull it back for free..
Yellow could have been given after linesman spoke to him in his earpiece
Mccarron coming into his own now. Shooting not great but very good in possession.
Game over
Another soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referee
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referees
Simple free
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referees
100% a free it was a lazy tackle against the Scotstown player who was moving away from goal no need to make it!
Both of them were. Ref not bad. Only thing I would say is if you're on the ground with the ball and someone is more or less on your back surely that is a free. That macarron one wasn't to be fair.
Just gave McCrron free for same thing he blew against Trillick.
That free for McCarron was soft
Not sure of the extra 2 minutes on top of the two minutes.
Don't understand people complaining about any frees in that second half of ET, there were tired bodies making mistakes at that stage, those were absolutely frees
Quote from: screenexile on November 26, 2023, 03:04:26 PMThat free for McCarron was soft
These things even themselves out over the course of the game ;D
Ball looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.
Scotstown were better in extra time and probably deserved it. Trillion better in the second half. Trillick a good team. You'll likely hear a lot more about a few of them.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2023, 02:59:49 PMAnother soft soft free for Scotstown At the end. Faloon is a poor, poor referee
2 lazy tackles, the McGarrity one had a bit of devilment in it, was the difference in the last 5 mins with a kick of the ball in it.. No need for either
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2023, 03:03:04 PMBoth of them were. Ref not bad. Only thing I would say is if you're on the ground with the ball and someone is more or less on your back surely that is a free. That macarron one wasn't to be fair.
Faloon has history with letting all that go....until he decides to give them in random situations. No consistency.
If you'd seen his performance in the Armagh championship.....
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.
The linesman had a perfect angle on it however
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.
Nah I thought that looked fine on replay. It was a pass on the inside of his right boot which looked to curl out and back into play, it only bounced on the sideline when it landed
Quote from: clarshack on November 26, 2023, 03:05:44 PMBall looked like it was still in play that led to what should have been a Trillick free. Sideline ball instead to Scotstown.
Ball curling out and back in, just about landed on the sideline when it bounced, the kicker put his hands to his head knowing it went out and back in again
There's no such thing as earning a soft free against a Tyrone team.
Well done to the Scotstown lads, real grit in extra time.
I guess Brennan was told there would be another 2 minutes or so on top, that's why he took the point.
Hughes was shouldered after the ball had gone, to me that's a free.
Tyrone boys can't hack in the big leagues
Great hardy contest. Very little between them, two very good teams. Brennan was immense throughout
Very good game, can't see why ones are giving off about the ref(bar the birds of a feather Tyrone complaining), thought he did an excellent job. Its not always the ref's fault ffs.
Love watching Scotstown, they've the balance right between defence and attack, good team to watch.
Think they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
The tyrone drought continues
Great contest, a credit to both teams. I thought the ref was grand over all, let the game flow well. The free at the end was incredibly soft, but one Richie got earlier was on the soft side too. A few of those Trillick players have had a massive championship. Ruairí Brennan playing the best football of his career. It will be interesting to see if Seánie O'Donnell can make the break through and have an impact at county level
Surprisingly that was actually a half decent performance from Falloon. My granny was from Knockatallon so I think I'll jump on the Scotstown bandwagon.
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Clear free. Late tackle.
He gave the Trillick lad a yelliw card.
Not sure why he didn't award the free.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
Quote from: marty34 on November 26, 2023, 03:54:27 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:47:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 02:46:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 02:44:15 PMLate tackle on K Hughes, no free?
He was low to the ground, was the barely contact and to be fair he hasn't given many easy frees
Both players looked genuinely poleaxed.
Who got the yellow card then?
Clear free. Late tackle.
He gave the Trillick lad a yelliw card.
Not sure why he didn't award the free.
I was thinking he possibly deemed it as a tackle after the ball was gone. I'd have given a free myself.
A lot of the time refs are reluctant to give frees when a player has been fouled but managed to get a good unimpeded shot away (as in this case)
Some weird GAA version of Double Jeopardy.
It should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should definitely be a free if there no advantage.
If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.
Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
So where did I say they were an "average team"?
Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).
The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....
Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart. Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.
We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.
That's the evidence.
What evidence are you providing otherwise?
Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.
Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.
You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny. How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert? I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
You're not a fan? 👍
They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...
You said they have average footballing ability..
All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should definitely be a free if there no advantage.
If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.
Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
So where did I say they were an "average team"?
Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).
The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....
Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart. Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.
We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.
That's the evidence.
What evidence are you providing otherwise?
Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.
Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.
You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny. How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert? I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
So where did I say they were an "average team"?
Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).
The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....
Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart. Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.
We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.
That's the evidence.
What evidence are you providing otherwise?
Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.
Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.
You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny. How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert? I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
#feeling enriched
Ulster club is some stuff though!
Quote from: Silver hill on November 26, 2023, 05:11:40 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should definitely be a free if there no advantage.
If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.
Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
So where did I say they were an "average team"?
Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).
The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....
Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart. Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.
We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.
That's the evidence.
What evidence are you providing otherwise?
Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.
Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.
You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny. How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert? I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.
I lost???
Not sure I follow there.
Scotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍
They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...
You said they have average footballing ability..
All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!
You've just played it out online for us all to see. Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:27:10 PMQuote from: Silver hill on November 26, 2023, 05:11:40 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:11:57 PMIt should actually be more than a yellow card, and it should definitely be a free if there no advantage.
If you're hitting the player late and he's planted on one leg kicking that's a dangerous tackle, knee ligaments and potentially leg breaker.
Make it a red, take it out of the game. Players have had careers ended with tackles like this, not always overly malicious but definitely wreckless and dangerous.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 04:41:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:17:48 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 03:58:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 03:16:16 PMThink they'll need a goal to beat Glen, though one lad here thinks Glen are average ;D
Haven't worked out if you're deliberately misquoting me yet or you actually can't interpret what I said wee man.
Good game today, some effort from Trillick despite missing someone of Mattie Donnelly's quality, much to be admired. I'm not sure Scotstown have the mobility to beat Glen (FYI MR2 see what I said earlier about runners). I thought the ref was good today also, good job you weren't stuck in the middle today MR2.
These are your quotes on Glen
Maybe Glen just are not as good a team as everyone makes out??
A team of runners with average football ability.
I simply don't belive Glen are the team they are hyped to be
There's no extra gear in Glen
So where did I say they were an "average team"?
Let me break it down for you...... A team of runners (they are almost all mobile, can run, pacey) with average football ability (they are not all natural or good footballers).
The evidence to date would back that up, as would the excuses wheeled out to date on here .....
Kicking so many wides, missing "easy" scores, those are what sets good players apart. Look at the distribution of their scores from play..... There are a lot of players on that team not able to kick scores at this level.... and lots of them are lining out as forwards. And yet everyone makes excuses over and over again for them..... As if it's a given that it's about to happen.
We're told about this extra gear that they have (someone else's words, not mine) that they didn't use against 14 man Cargin and I presume that they didn't use yesterday again, yet..... They beat 14 men for 2/3 of a game by 4 and almost got dumped out last night.
That's the evidence.
What evidence are you providing otherwise?
Is it wrong on all that we've seen to date to say that "Maybe" they aren't the team that they're hyped to be. The only duffings they've handed out were within Derry.
Someone has a different opinion from you, I get it, you don't like it, you try to dis it. Just as you do with a whistle in your hand.
You take everything out of context in an attempt to be funny. How many Glen games have you actually watched or attended this year to be such an expert? I will guarantee it's fewer than I have.
Jesus Oso, let it go man.....you lost. Take your oil.
I lost???
Not sure I follow there.
I reckon you made your points well
After a poor start it turned into an excellent game afterwards. Hard luck to Trillick, thought they had it won in normal time but fair play to Scotstown for taking it to ET and hope they go on and win it now.
Think they would give Kilmacud a better game than Glen as I think Kilmacud would go out and stuff Glen to prove a point after last season.
Quote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍
They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...
You said they have average footballing ability..
All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!
You've just played it out online for us all to see. Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!
Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.
Your reference to ref's is at best, childish
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:48:42 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍
They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...
You said they have average footballing ability..
All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!
You've just played it out online for us all to see. Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!
Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.
Your reference to ref's is at best, childish
They have just completed 3 Derry championships in a row not 2
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 26, 2023, 05:51:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 05:48:42 PMQuote from: Oso on November 26, 2023, 05:34:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2023, 04:52:00 PMYou're not a fan? 👍
They've been to Croke park and unlucky not to win in their first attempt...
You said they have average footballing ability..
All the other stuff about going to games is no different to me watching them play on telly or Corrigan
Proof that most referees read the narrative and prejudge!
You've just played it out online for us all to see. Glen have looked no better than anyone else in ulster this term. But you're going on reputation, and history!
Glen have no history, they've won Derry twice, I'm going on they are unbeaten in Ulster these last couple of years.. they are better because they have won their games. That's simple facts.
Your reference to ref's is at best, childish
They have just completed 3 Derry championships in a row not 2
Yes, my mistake, average footballers in Derry though ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2023, 05:34:24 PMScotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
I think its 8 from the Monaghan panel and a couple of younger lads knocking on the door. Thought Maguire (13) was very good and was surprised they took him off. He can't be far off the Monaghan panel
Bit of brave management too. Scotstown put on Malley in ET and then took him off again. Takes guts to do that
Quote from: straightred on November 26, 2023, 06:03:17 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2023, 05:34:24 PMScotstown would remind you so much of Monaghan seniors. Glen will be favourties for the final however Scotstown are well capable of winning that Ulster decider.
I think its 8 from the Monaghan panel and a couple of younger lads knocking on the door. Thought Maguire (13) was very good and was surprised they took him off. He can't be far off the Monaghan panel
Bit of brave management too. Scotstown put on Malley in ET and then took him off again. Takes guts to do that
He kicked the ball away... that's the level you need to be at. No 2nd chances in games like that
The free that put Scotstown 2 up was very soft!
Was it a foul or not?
No foul for me
An average team doesn't reach back to back Ulster club finals and potentially winning back to back.
Unfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
For the monaghan men, is Michael McCarville a son of Jack? Plus, Caulfield at WHB is he a son of the Monaghan/Blayney man, Fergus? Declan?? ???
Quote from: bennydorano on November 27, 2023, 10:41:56 AMFor the monaghan men, is Michael McCarville a son of Jack? Plus, Caulfield at WHB is he a son of the Monaghan/Blayney man, Fergus? Declan?? ???
Son of Gerry.
Son of Fergus, also selector.
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 26, 2023, 05:23:29 PMUlster club is some stuff though!
Mighty stuff!! So many close games and last-minute scores
Ulster is really interesting. Trillick showing Tyrone clubs can compete.
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2023, 03:26:49 PMUlster is really interesting. Trillick showing Tyrone clubs can compete.
Totally, they performed really well and with Errigal competing well last year also it shows the Tyrone club championship isn't as weak as many on here think.
Senior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2023, 07:58:55 PMSenior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm
Probably on TG4 if on at 4pm.
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2023, 11:38:31 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on November 27, 2023, 09:03:34 AMQuote from: WT4E on November 26, 2023, 10:53:05 PMNo foul for me
Well you are from Tyrone ...
Probably live closer to Scotstown than Trillick. Lol
Just checked 33 mile from both clubs..... couldn't be more neutral.
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Precisely.
Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.
Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.
In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago
Quote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Precisely.
Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.
Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.
In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago
Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches. As you say, they could have been easily beat. They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point. Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 28, 2023, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Precisely.
Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.
Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.
In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago
Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches. As you say, they could have been easily beat. They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point. Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.
Yeah - unless there is a massive gap in standards with the opposition (which you're very unlikely to get in most provincial games) I think an entire team trying to pace over a course of games is extremely difficult, if not impossible.
It's not pacing themselves in games, it's 'pacing' the training they are doing to have them peaking enough. We used to do it all the time. Glen have another gear or 2 in them but it's a dangerous game sometimes as sometimes a team can get a run on you and the gear change doesn't always kick in
Quote from: tintin25 on November 28, 2023, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: Gold on November 28, 2023, 11:11:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 28, 2023, 10:46:06 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on November 27, 2023, 10:21:34 AMUnfortunately I didnt get to see the Trillick v Scotstown match but by all accounts it was a very good game.
I had a feeling Trillick would win it and had the potential to win Ulster under the radar, but not to be.
Glen probably deserved to win the first SF, that point at the end to win it was worth it alone.
I still think they are not playing as well as last year, but perhaps that will come yet. Glass has been underwhelming, but that's not to say he's playing badly, just doesn't seem to be hitting the same highs as last year.
I dont think that was a penalty tbh, and had it not been given Glen probably ran out comfortable enough winners. Hurson had a reasonably good game, though I though he was a little harsh on Glen in general, but for me he got the penalty wrong.
Glen and Scotstown will be an interesting game. Glen perhaps slight favourites, but not much between them. Scotstown keeper play could be the difference in the two teams.
Wattys may be pacing themselves. It's tournament football. They want to be ready for the final. They know how it works.
Precisely.
Although if the Glenties man held that last kick out and didnt cough it up to Glass (and then the winning point went over 5 secs later) it could be they in the final, not Glen.
Glen 'could' say get a few goals, get a run on Scotstown and win by 10. We'd all then be saying how they'd done well managing the earlier rounds and timed their peak at the right time. Scotstown could also get a run on Glen. It's Sport and over analysed. I remember a line ball in a game given the wrong way in a semi final that changed the game. There's so little in it.
In saying all that though Kilmacud are simply the team to beat. With the refs giving them penalties for fouls well outside the box when things get tight i Cant see them being stopped unless by a lucky drop in mad goal again or something like a few years ago
Never got this idea how teams could pace themselves for certain matches. As you say, they could have been easily beat. They hardly 'paced' themselves to come through by a point. Some teams do however kick on and get that momentum after a couple of matches.
It happens, when you are dominant within your county you can, it's about peaking for the latter stages
Quote from: marty34 on November 27, 2023, 11:15:15 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2023, 07:58:55 PMSenior Football Final 10th December
Glen v Scotstown
Athletic Grounds 4pm
Probably on TG4 if on at 4pm.
More than likely. Munster football final also on that day and will probably get the 2pm TG4 coverage.
Likes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
I just think they playing poor, even to what I seen them, before the county men came back. I am expecting Scotstown to beat them unless there a 70% improvement, May depend on J Doherty back and Tallom actually scoring.Suprised O'Rourke hasn't done positional change to strengthen the forwards.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
No offence but cross wouldn't have had the top end coaches and s and c to be tapering and peaking. They just went out and played
Theres Cross lads that' tell you most years they barely trained for most of the league lol they certainly wanted to peak for the championship
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 10:56:40 AMTheres Cross lads that' tell you most years they barely trained for most of the league lol they certainly wanted to peak for the championship
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/former-gaa-star-faces-trial-over-12m-in-criminal-assets/a979772697.html
Too busy with crime....
Honestly, what is it about there? Can no one do a honest days work..
Quote from: ranch on November 29, 2023, 02:31:19 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.
I think you're right about 2001 to 2008. We definitely beat them in 4 finals and I recall beating them in 2 semis I think it was. They invested an awful lot in management during that period, not being funny, and had some of the top club managers on the scene. McIvor from Derry, John Rafferty, few others. I recall a few testy post match manager's 'well done's', one in particular. Dromintee were very unfortunate, they would have won Ulster if it hadn't been for the fact they were against us.
The Armagh championship in those days was horrendous for us. Straight knock out, Dromintee, Mullaghbawn in the early days, Clans, Pearse Ogs, and Armagh Harps were all strong teams. How we won 13 in a row I'll never know
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2023, 11:06:55 AMQuote from: ranch on November 29, 2023, 02:31:19 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2023, 08:46:10 PMLikes of Kilcoo and Cross at their best years ago definitely would be looking to hit top form/fitness for the provincials because they walk through their county.
Possibly, but the fact it was straight knock out for years in Armagh probably took away any complacency for Cross. But i did always wonder did winning the championship mean as much to them as it would another club, as it was just a stepping stone to competing in Ulster?
Around the 2001-2007 period Dromintee were incredibly strong in Armagh and Pearse Og were also improving a lot around then so I'd imagine when they were drawn to play those sides the level of intensity at training would have picked up for Cross.
I recall Pearse Og drawing with them (I think it was played in Keady) on one occasion, Dromintee always seemed to get close to them but would be left to rue missed chances, and Killeavy drew with them in Carrickcruppen in a great game one year.
Maybe another poster can correct me on this or confirm, but wasn't it the case that the only side to beat Dromintee in the championship between 2001-08 was Cross? Very unfortunate for them that their best ever side coincided with Cross being such a force.
I think you're right about 2001 to 2008. We definitely beat them in 4 finals and I recall beating them in 2 semis I think it was. They invested an awful lot in management during that period, not being funny, and had some of the top club managers on the scene. McIvor from Derry, John Rafferty, few others. I recall a few testy post match manager's 'well done's', one in particular. Dromintee were very unfortunate, they would have won Ulster if it hadn't been for the fact they were against us.
The Armagh championship in those days was horrendous for us. Straight knock out, Dromintee, Mullaghbawn in the early days, Clans, Pearse Ogs, and Armagh Harps were all strong teams. How we won 13 in a row I'll never know
I'd be intrigued to hear more about this post match 'well done'? I can imagine there are some interesting stories from around that era.
Yeah that Dromintee side were exceptionally strong. 2003 final up in Cross in particular stands out for me-pretty sure Cross won by 2 points and I recall Martin O'Rourke missing a great chance for a goal in the first half.
I also remember them drawing up in Silverbridge, maybe in 06 or 07. Dromintee always seemed to struggle once those games got into the final few minutes.
It's only when you look back now you realise just how strong Armagh football was. Some clubs were just unlucky that their golden generations happened to coincide with Crossmaglen's almost unstoppable juggernaut.
That Dromintee side from 2001-10 was outstanding. They were beat by Cross in 5 finals (the rest semis?)
Before that Clans and Mullaghbawn had two brilliant teams, Mullaghbawn did win Ulster in 95 but after that both sides faded badly.
Pearse Óg another team dripping with talent managed to break the Cross dominance in 2009, they were beat by a couple of points by St Galls who walked Ulster and won the AI, the likes of Maghery, Harps & Clann Eireann were nowhere near that level when they won their titles in recent years which is probably a sad reflection of where club football is currently at in Armagh.
Any chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
There was a game on the Athletic Grounds last night! Wasn't at it but I assume the pitch is ok
Quote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
Deemed playable at 9.30 but another inspection at 2.30 before turnstiles open
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 01:06:42 PMDeemed playable at 9.30 but another inspection at 2.30 before turnstiles open
Sounds very late...
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PMQuote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.
Quote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PMQuote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.
The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2023, 03:18:18 PMQuote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PMQuote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.
The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!
Be a long time till they win Ulster again I think
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 03:38:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2023, 03:18:18 PMQuote from: Estimator on December 10, 2023, 02:12:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 12:54:07 PMQuote from: Brendan on December 10, 2023, 09:40:49 AMAny chance of the final being postponed? Rain hasn't let up in derry in days
Not as bad as back in 2015 when cross and Scotstown played. The junior final was played before too
The conditions for the Cross / Ballinderry final in 2006 at Casement Pk were brutal, didn't get into double figures for scores, it finished something like 0-05 to 0-03.
The lowest score Cross won by, most games in history they scored more than that. However, I looked it up and the lowest winning score in an Ulster club was 'Blayney in 1986 when they beat Burren 0-04 to 0-03!
Be a long time till they win Ulster again I think
Be a while before they win Monaghan again for that matter, already been 20 years
is throw in delayed.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 10, 2023, 04:13:25 PMis throw in delayed.
Went ahead as scheduled, currently 2 pts each
Why do TG4 hate Ulster?
Absolute fckin disgrace that tg4 go to ads now instead of straight to the Ulster final
Bad call there, man fell over him
Get yourselves a dodgy box lads. Can flip between the 2 games without any issues.
But yeah, stupid scheduling by respective councils. Should have pushed either 15mins before/after.
Good contest thus far. Half time Scotstown 0-7 Glen 0-5
Mighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him
Don't think it was a free either.
Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:35:19 PMMighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Savage - he got one from a similar spot in the semi final
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him
Agree.
Ref handed Scotstown a few handy frees there.
Horrible conditions.
A mistake could be the winning or losing of it.
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him
Don't think it was a free either.
Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.
It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball
Quote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 04:36:55 PMQuote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 04:35:19 PMMighty score by K Hughes right on HT there. Tight game in dirty conditions, this will go to the wire
Savage - he got one from a similar spot in the semi final
Yeah he's always had the talent but can be a fairly frustrating player to watch at times. He's stepped up for Scotstown big time in this Ulster campaign though.
Sorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:41:54 PMSorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.
It's a foul in any county
Don't think a 2 point lead is enough for Scotstown judging by that breeze.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:39:23 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him
Don't think it was a free either.
Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.
It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball
Wtf are you watching?
Seriously.
Good open game. Both teams wanting to win it.
Good kick passing on show.
Quote from: 5times5times on December 10, 2023, 04:31:16 PMGet yourselves a dodgy box lads. Can flip between the 2 games without any issues.
But yeah, stupid scheduling by respective councils. Should have pushed either 15mins before/after.
No doubt somebody at the top will come out and say 'Lessons will be learned'.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:42:32 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:41:54 PMSorry he already had the ball, wasn't impeding him, Dougan was on the ground and McCarron went to go forward and fall over him. Seriously what is the standard of reffing in Antrim these days if you think that's a foul.
It's a foul in any county
Yeah its a free all day
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:39:23 PMQuote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 04:35:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 04:30:21 PMBad call there, man fell over him
Don't think it was a free either.
Initially I thought he gave a mark but then a different lad hit it so much have been a free.
It's a free, the lad impeded him, it's an accidental trip but still prevented him from playing the ball
100% correct
Wipe the feckin camera lads
2 great lomg range efforts there for Glen.
What was that?? 100% a 45
45 missed there
How's that not a 45 lol
definite 45 there
a sloppy goal or any goal will win this. Conditions are terrible
Umpire standing 2 yards away staring at it. Beggan knew rightly he got away with that.
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 04:54:35 PMWhat was that?? 100% a 45
Straight in front of umpire. How did he miss that?
How is that not a 45'. Right in front of the umpire and gives a wide - umpires are becoming a serious problem in the game nowadays.
Showed a replay there, that's hard to believe, did the umpire think it was already out? Didn't look it.
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 04:56:36 PMHow is that not a 45'. Right in front of the umpire and gives a wide - umpires are becoming a serious problem in the game nowadays.
State of that!
Ref missed a glen throw ball there too. Its even now
Glen got away with a possible black card?
Been a good few mistakes by players recently...
Referee misses something, 6 post
The Hughes are mighty men
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:05:57 PMBeen a good few mistakes by players recently...
Referee misses something, 6 post
State of that !
Great score there from Beggan. Anyone's game.
Some game. Scotstown look that bit hungrier though. It's a real shame we havent the climate to be playing this in the good weather lol
Beggan is some weapon to have, jaysus
This will go right to the wire
They're putting on some show considering the weather
Players dropping balls, kicking wides, misplacing passes, yet somehow it's the ref's fault
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:09:26 PMBeggan is some weapon to have, jaysus
This will go right to the wire
Trillick had the right idea having someone mark him when he come out the field.
Quote from: Schkite on December 10, 2023, 05:09:26 PMBeggan is some weapon to have, jaysus
This will go right to the wire
Incredible, always shows up, big game player
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 10, 2023, 05:08:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:05:57 PMBeen a good few mistakes by players recently...
Referee misses something, 6 post
State of that !
The umpires union will be having a word with you ;D
Tell you what, this is some contest considering it's a dirty December evening in brutal conditions. Credit to both sides
Glen one in front with 5 mins to play.
Some block there. That could have been the game for Scotstown.
That not a definition of sticking the leg out been a trip?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:16:47 PMThat not a definition of sticking the leg out been a trip?
The player poked it past him, wasn't a deliberate trip in my book. Good call
That man McFaul should be up front for Glen
Glen showed their worth with that strong finish. 0-13 to 0-11 winners.
Tough luck on Scotstown, carried out on their shields. Great game
Very tight game but overall Glen have better players, become the 2nd team Derry team to go back to back along with their neighbours just 2 mile up the road
Deserved win for Glen. Great game of football considering the conditions.
Any word from Oso lads??
Glen won it in the first half. Only going in 2 down against a fairly stiff breeze was a massive result.
Jack McCarron was very poor there today.
After last season's Final controversy Glen have their replay against Kilmacud so to speak. All the pressure will be on Glen to deliver though they'll not be worried about that for a few days! Whoever wins between Glen and Kilmacud will win the final pulling up as the other side of the draw is poor.
Enjoyable game of football, well done Glen, tough luck Scotstown.
Brilliant game to be fair.
Began is some operator.
Glen just knew how to win and really showed the desire.
Scotstown went for a goal when a point would have levelled it. Not sure Glen were much better to be honest. Fine margins
Glen turned up today, whereas in the last few games they were way of the pace, more than the other teams playing better, Still play McFaul up front, bring one of the McDermotts into defence. Crokes are stronger than last year, Glen probably stronger with McFaul,but still to put up any big scores.
Thoroughly enjoyed. Scotstown had their chances and gave their all even to the last kick of game.
Glen just had a wee bit more with McFaul and Glass able to exert their influence towards the end. Would love to see Glass drive forward that bit more. Glen for more dangerous when he does so.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2023, 05:29:51 PMGlen turned up today, whereas in the last few games they were way of the pace, more than the other teams playing better, Still play McFaul up front, bring one of the McDermotts into defence. Crokes are stronger than last year, Glen probably stronger with McFaul,but still to put up any big scores.
O'Rourke has managed back to back titles, I'm sure you're a decent manager but he's managed to do well enough so far
Great game in terrible conditions, well done to Glen, Scotstown be kicking themselves. Glass, McFaul, Beggan and Hughes' all some footballers.
Still feel like Glen are missing that top forward. Wonder could they sign McGuigan or a Canavan lol.
What's the semi final draw now?
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:44:18 PMWhat's the semi final draw now?
Kilmacud v Glen
Castlehaven v St. Brigids
The 1st game is the final in all but name.
Muted enough celebrations from Glen. Them boys aren't finished yet (think Kilmacud beat them but let's see)
The better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 05:49:02 PMQuote from: square_ball on December 10, 2023, 05:44:18 PMWhat's the semi final draw now?
Kilmacud v Glen
Castlehaven v St. Brigids
The 1st game is the final in all but name.
Would be foolish to write off Brigids after taking out Corofin, Castlehaven no mugs either.
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.
Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PMQuote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??
Pretty average lads
Running to Mods much wee man?
Eh? Over what? You're still digging your high heels in i see. Typical average response from an average person
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.
Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!
The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case. Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.
It was a decent match in the conditions and Scotstown missed enough chances that they will rue. Glen are a bit like the Derry county side, they are probably just missing one or two more inside forwards and they would almost be guaranteed to win an All Ireland. But they are a big powerful athletic side.
As it stands though I expect Kilmacud will have too much for them in the semi final although not having to play them in Croke Park should at least help Glen. But Glen looked to be playing much better last season and Kilmacud now have the swagger of champions and a fit Mannion.
I wouldn't write St Brigids off though, they were very impressive against Corofin and I think they will account for Castlehaven quite comfortably.
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.
Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!
The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case. Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.
Is that not the way it works?
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:19:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:12:46 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:01:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 05:25:50 PMQuote from: screenexile on December 10, 2023, 05:23:33 PMAny word from Oso lads??
Pretty average lads
Running to Mods much wee man?
Eh? Over what? You're still digging your high heels in i see. Typical average response from an average person
You have no idea wee man.
Go on, enlighten me. You've been good value though, I'll give ya that
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 06:23:52 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.
Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!
The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case. Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.
Is that not the way it works?
Irish News ratings?
I thought glen were a bit better. They don't get enough scores from their forwards though so I'd be surprised if they beat crokes. They were two good teams tbh both going at it. Entertaining game.
Will Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Where was the semi last year for Glen?
Jaysus this Oso fella has a serious hang up about Glen, show us on the doll where Glen hurt you...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Where was the semi last year for Glen?
Was in Croker
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Where was the semi last year for Glen?
All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.
But Newry would be my shout aswell.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 07:21:23 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.
But Newry would be my shout aswell.
I think a heavier pitch would suit glen slightly easier to curb Walsh and mannion etc but the good old GAA prob stick it in Croker don't want kilmacud having to travel
Quote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 10, 2023, 07:21:23 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Very halfway yes, problem is its in ulster so might not be considered neutral
Although cushendall v OLG is in naval next week so who knows.
But Newry would be my shout aswell.
Wheres handy then thats not in Leinster or Ulster? Armagh or Newry be my pick.
Quote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 07:32:06 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago
Slightly different in that they were never likely to have Kilcoo playing in their own county ground.
I think Slaughtneill played St Vincent's in Newry in a semi final so there is an indication that it could well be the venue again.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 10, 2023, 07:38:44 PMQuote from: straightred on December 10, 2023, 07:32:06 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Ballyboden played Kilcoo in Cavan in that semi final a few years ago
Slightly different in that they were never likely to have Kilcoo playing in their own county ground.
I think Slaughtneill played St Vincent's in Newry in a semi final so there is an indication that it could well be the venue again.
Yeah was just gonna post that. Chrissy McKaigue gave Connolly a roasting that day.
Is there anywhere to see the coverage of the match from the beginning.
Quote from: WT4E on December 10, 2023, 07:59:43 PMIs there anywhere to see the coverage of the match from the beginning.
It's on GAAGo
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2023, 07:13:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Where was the semi last year for Glen?
All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface
Why not this year?
No one talking about the cheap strike on Dougan from Darren Hughes? Shocking.
Dougan was following McCarron everywhere today. Tied him right up.
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 08:07:07 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2023, 07:13:55 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 06:58:03 PMQuote from: Saul goodman on December 10, 2023, 06:53:21 PMWill Glenn v kilmacud be in newry maybe seems like a natural half way point
Where was the semi last year for Glen?
All semis were in Croke last year, both codes. Not this year though. Personally think they should be in CP as you are guaranteed a good surface
Why not this year?
O'Toole Park would be the favoured neutral venue for Crokes. The traffic getting across the city to Croke Park is always a pain.
Quote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Drivel!!
The game was nip and tuck until the last few mins when Glen pulled away. Stown had a hit and hope tipped above the bar to make it 2 in the end but Glen were the better team.
You've lost the plot a bit Oso "average" club teams don't tend to get to All Ireland Semi Finals. You have to play so many games to get there that it's basically impossible to make it that far unless you're a decent team.
Keep digging though we're all enjoying the twists and turns in your nonsense arguments...
Pairc Esler is exactly half way between Glen and Kilmacud.
Thought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
I thought it was an enthralling game in the conditions and a teak tough competitive final with Glen just about deserving it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
My thoughts too.
Game was tight but Scotstown only scored 4pts in the 2nd Half, between the first and last point of half, they only scored 2pts between the 31st and 63rd minute.
Quote from: marty34 on December 10, 2023, 06:23:52 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 06:08:18 PMQuote from: Oso on December 10, 2023, 06:00:43 PMThe better team actually lost that game, played some excellent football. Mixed up running with a great kicking game, good to watch. Beggan and the 2 Hughes brothers are among my favourite players to watch.
Passed up a few points and missed a few goal chances including one that bounced off the foot of the post with everyone beaten and rolled across the line. They will be kicking themselves that they left that behind them. I'm not sure how anyone can state that Glen were the better team. They have Eunan Mulholland to thank for keeping them in touch.
Still not believing the hype.... Why would I when the better team lost and there's no such hype with Scotstown? Still waiting on this imaginary extra gear. Also a few questionable refereeing decisions went against Scotstown today.
Glen will get their replay with Crokes after their sniffling behaviour last year. I wonder what the excuse will be this time around?
Best team won. Two point lead at half time was never going to be enough in those weather conditions.
Only scored 0-3 2nd half and out scored by five points 2nd half. Glen back to back Ulster champions speaks for itself regardless what you want to believe.
Exactly as I said..... Left all those scores behind them in the 2nd half!!
The best team won....Because they won? That's not always the case. Your opinion on today's game is no more valid than mine regardless of what you want to believe.
Is that not the way it works?
I have no opinion on who was better yesterday but no, the best team doesnt always win. You can probably think of examples when this has happened
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
My thoughts too.
Watching the game I thought that myself. Chances for scores, shooting from silly angles, forcing it when they could have worked simpler scores. Genuinely wanted Scotstown to win this as I know a good few of them and they're really good lads and the like of the Hughes and Beggan would have a great club career we'll set off with an Ulster win. A lot of pressure on shoulders in clubs like Scotstown to be able to say you have a big one on your pocket, loads of boys walk around clubs like that jangling county medals in their pockets with little or no playing time. Just like ourselves. It's only when you win outside of the county can you stand with the big boys.
Glen were that but more clinical at key times. There's an awful lot to be said for knowing how to win these games. Pushing on at key times and building momentum is something that differentiates between top teams. Glen have it. The question now is can they go the whole way? Kilmacud in the semi is better than Kilmacud in the final. If the game is played in Newry or even Navan then I can see them having a real chance.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2023, 09:35:03 AMQuote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
My thoughts too.
Watching the game I thought that myself. Chances for scores, shooting from silly angles, forcing it when they could have worked simpler scores. Genuinely wanted Scotstown to win this as I know a good few of them and they're really good lads and the like of the Hughes and Beggan would have a great club career we'll set off with an Ulster win. A lot of pressure on shoulders in clubs like Scotstown to be able to say you have a big one on your pocket, loads of boys walk around clubs like that jangling county medals in their pockets with little or no playing time. Just like ourselves. It's only when you win outside of the county can you stand with the big boys.
Glen were that but more clinical at key times. There's an awful lot to be said for knowing how to win these games. Pushing on at key times and building momentum is something that differentiates between top teams. Glen have it. The question now is can they go the whole way? Kilmacud in the semi is better than Kilmacud in the final. If the game is played in Newry or even Navan then I can see them having a real chance.
Yeah, gutted for those men as they are serious footballers and great lads as you say.
Fair play to Glen though, Glass is something else. Would love to see them go all the way this year but just not sure they have the firepower. They'll be mad up for it after the whole drama last year as will Kilmacud. Glen been through a few tight games now which will stand to them, plenty of time to get the bodies right.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 11, 2023, 12:31:23 AMGame was tight but Scotstown only scored 4pts in the 2nd Half, between the first and last point of half, they only scored 2pts between the 31st and 63rd minute.
Playing down the hill in the Athletic Grounds you need to be more than 2 in front on a good day. That wind and rain seemed to be driving down that hill as well. TG4 treating the Ulster final with total disrespect. I'd recorded it, not only did it start late but the programme ended before the final whistle. still good win for Glen, Scotstown give it a lash. Beggan is some footballer.
What were TG4 to do though? Just turn the other game off when it came to penalties?
Yeah they weren't enough up in the first half. Tbh you could see early in second half what way the game was going.
Should have started from the start as am sure they were recording it, and bypass on half time analysis, they do this with deferred coverage games.
Scotstown will be back. Kilcoo didn't win anything first time around either.
this was them being back though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2023, 11:14:46 AMthis was them being back though.
Yeah, the lose to us in 2015 took a lot out of them. Yesterday might do the same. The team that started yesterday has lads who have been playing together for over 10 years. Beggan, McArdle, Caulfield, the Hughes, Morgan, Carey, Carville, and Hamill all were playing in 2012 when I was coaching them. McCarthy was just breaking out of minor that year too. That's 2/3rds of this team have been on the road with an awful lot of miles on their legs when you include county football. They'll struggle to get back to this level unfortunately
Yeah I think this was their chance. I thought Glen were a bit better but Scotstown like you and others say missed chances at crucial times. It's the Hughes ages I think would be their main issue as they are pivotal.
With Jack mc Carron on board they'll win Monaghan again next year and they'll have a decent chance again in ulster . Might be beyond them but good chance they'll be in a semi and then anything can happen
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
My thoughts too.
There were 4 goal chances in the 2nd half, one long ball went to D Hughes who fisted, hit the post and somehow miraculously stayed out. The second went to Darren again when he could've taken a point but there was a point from a free in the same play. The third was what you could say was a missed point when after a brilliant piece of play an effort at goal went amiss, the 4th was K Hughes, the last shot of the game which (unfortunately) went straight to the goalie.
Going for goals was not the undoing of Scotstown, they started the 2nd half strongly and were ahead by a point on the 50th min. Simply put Glen were the better team in those last 10 minutes even if the ref in error penalised McCarron for over-carrying, didn't notice that he had only taken 3 steps. Glenn scored 3 points in the closing minutes from similar positions that Scotstown couldn´t.
Quote from: Main Street on December 11, 2023, 11:40:14 PMQuote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:28:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 09:18:43 PMThought Scotstown had a couple of chances to go for points and went for goals instead which proved their downfall. McCarron also gave couple of silly balls away late on.
My thoughts too.
There were 4 goal chances in the 2nd half, one long ball went to D Hughes who fisted, hit the post and somehow miraculously stayed out. The second went to Darren again when he could've taken a point but there was a point from a free in the same play. The third was what you could say was a missed point when after a brilliant piece of play an effort at goal went amiss, the 4th was K Hughes, the last shot of the game which (unfortunately) went straight to the goalie.
Going for goals was not the undoing of Scotstown, they started the 2nd half strongly and were ahead by a point on the 50th min. Simply put Glen were the better team in those last 10 minutes even if the ref in error penalised McCarron for over-carrying, didn't notice that he had only taken 3 steps. Glenn scored 3 points in the closing minutes from similar positions that Scotstown couldn´t.
When it was originally blown I thought the ref was influenced by the crowd and gave a harsh call for overcarrying but in the replay it could clearly be seen that the ball swapped hands a couple of times
Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 09:10:08 PMPairc Esler is exactly half way between Glen and Kilmacud.
Which is where its at
Sunday 7th at 3.45
Other semi at 1.45 in semple
Was it not a double bounce?
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?
Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?
Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..
Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2023, 08:05:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?
Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..
Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
I didn't notice that in the heat of the battle.
Does the ref have some hand signal to indicate a foul for a swapping of the hands?
Quote from: Main Street on December 12, 2023, 10:28:43 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 12, 2023, 08:05:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:42:42 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 12, 2023, 06:02:23 PMWas it not a double bounce?
Seen the swapping of hands too, thought it was decent call if that was it..
Yeah clearly a call on swapping hands. Good call in fairness in the heat of battle!
I didn't notice that in the heat of the battle.
Does the ref have some hand signal to indicate a foul for a swapping of the hands?
He seemed to make a movement of his hands similar to an over carry but more of a side to side motion. Rare you see that called by refs but I think given that McCarron had been static enough it was easier maybe for him to see.
probably called something like that maybe once or twice over the years, and they were blatant