Brexit.

[bennydorano]

What makes a Grammar a Grammar? Where do the numerous fee paying schools land in terms of classification? Grammar++ ethos surely.

[Milltown Row2]

All schools have fees of some sort!! I'm never done paying out to too schools!!

[seafoid]

Cameron was inept. He called the referendum under pressure from UKIP as a way to unify the Tory party.
Farage resigned after he saw his life's work vidicated. The Tory part adopted the 2 policies he had been hammering away at for the last decade. Brexit and Grammar schools.

May is bringing them back.

There are no grammar schools in Britain as far as I know. Only in the north

Makes no difference to here. Many schools stream anyways, and what's has this to do with brexit?

UKIP thinking runs the Tory party now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhzFh_hs5Oc

[screenexile]

Cameron was inept. He called the referendum under pressure from UKIP as a way to unify the Tory party.
Farage resigned after he saw his life's work vidicated. The Tory part adopted the 2 policies he had been hammering away at for the last decade. Brexit and Grammar schools.

May is bringing them back.

There are no grammar schools in Britain as far as I know. Only in the north

Makes no difference to here. Many schools stream anyways, and what's has this to do with brexit?

UKIP thinking runs the Tory party now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhzFh_hs5Oc

Sure Farage was a Tory originally wasn't he?

There's always been an undercurrent of that thinking in the party only Farage decided to leave the Tories and bring it out for everyone to see in its horrific splendour. The fact UKIP are doing what they're doing probably makes it easier for some of the sc**bag Tories to spout similar nonsense and actually get heard!!

[Rossfan]

Even if this scenario is accepted here it won't apply to EU citizens.

[heganboy]

Quare leak!
Control over our economy, or what's left of it, no control on immigration. That's exactly what people voted for...
Oh wait a minute...

[muppet]

Quare leak!
Control over our economy, or what's left of it, no control on immigration. That's exactly what people voted for...
Oh wait a minute...

The US already has a border presence in Ireland. This is not only seen as a good thing by all travellers to the States, but as a serious competitive advantage for our airports. I have seen the histerical reaction on twitter to the story mentioned and sometimes I despair. This border co-operation is to avoid the re-imposition of the 6 counties border, is that what people want?

[seafoid]

Sterling is down again.
It looks like the markets are playing a game of chicken with the Tory lunatics

Russian roulette is not the same without a gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo

[OgraAnDun]

Quare leak!
Control over our economy, or what's left of it, no control on immigration. That's exactly what people voted for...
Oh wait a minute...

The US already has a border presence in Ireland. This is not only seen as a good thing by all travellers to the States, but as a serious competitive advantage for our airports. I have seen the histerical reaction on twitter to the story mentioned and sometimes I despair. This border co-operation is to avoid the re-imposition of the 6 counties border, is that what people want?

The US Border Preclearance is only if you're travelling onwards to the States though, rather than for anyone arriving in Ireland which is my understanding of the British proposal.

[muppet]

Quare leak!
Control over our economy, or what's left of it, no control on immigration. That's exactly what people voted for...
Oh wait a minute...

The US already has a border presence in Ireland. This is not only seen as a good thing by all travellers to the States, but as a serious competitive advantage for our airports. I have seen the histerical reaction on twitter to the story mentioned and sometimes I despair. This border co-operation is to avoid the re-imposition of the 6 counties border, is that what people want?

The US Border Preclearance is only if you're travelling onwards to the States though, rather than for anyone arriving in Ireland which is my understanding of the British proposal.

US CBP is a separate area for those relevant passengers.

I would guess for Europe we would now have 3 channels on arrival:

1) Irish + British citizens
2) EU Citizens
3) All others

All this does is split the current 'EU citizens' channel in two. The usual suspects will jump up and down about sovereignty but the US CBP being on Irish soil is much the same thing. The alternative is to reinstate the border.

[heganboy]

Ah, I was actually aiming at the GDP numbers

http://news.sky.com/story/hard-brexit-may-cost-16366bn-a-year-leaked-papers-warn-10613112

[seafoid]

 "The new British government under prime minister Theresa May appears to have chosen an economic course which could bear substantial risks," said Hans Redeker, strategist at Morgan Stanley.
Noting that rhetoric against the "international elite" would not help fund the UK's 6 per cent of GDP current account deficit, Mr Redeker said: "The substantial foreign funding needs should make authorities nurse the supply side of the economy. The opposite seems to be taking place with 'hard Brexit' talk adding to the problem."


If there is one big lesson to draw from the surprising success of the Brexit campaign it is surely that Britain's political class has consistently underestimated the negative consequences — psychological, economic and social — of greater global (and European) interconnection on poorer people.


David Cameron took a huge gamble and lost. The fearmongering and outright lies of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage, The Sun and the Daily Mail have won. The UK, Europe, the west and the world are damaged. The UK is diminished and seems likely soon to be divided. Europe has lost its second-biggest and most outward-looking power. The hinge between the EU and the English-speaking powers has been snapped. This is probably the most disastrous single event in British history since the second world war.

https://www.ft.com/content/25753b12-8f05-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

"British government bonds are being pulled into the Brexit-related sell-off that has sent the pound to its lowest levels in three decades, with investors warily eyeing gilts as the next market facing volatility following Friday's flash crash in sterling.

The pound has fallen 19 per cent against the dollar since the vote for Brexit, increasing the prospect of inflation and raising questions about the negative effect it could have on the country's ability to finance itself through overseas investment.
This has damped appetite for gilts, pushing down prices and sending the yield on benchmark 10-year gilts to as high as 1.02 per cent on Monday — the highest level since late June. Prices and yields for bonds move in opposite directions as lower prices push up borrowing costs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwxga8udIio

[muppet]

Ah, I was actually aiming at the GDP numbers

http://news.sky.com/story/hard-brexit-may-cost-16366bn-a-year-leaked-papers-warn-10613112

Apologies, I thought you were responding to AQMP's link on border control.

[seafoid]

£66 bn is less than £350 a week according to the Sun.

[armaghniac]

I would guess for Europe we would now have 3 channels on arrival:

1) Irish + British citizens
2) EU Citizens
3) All others

All this does is split the current 'EU citizens' channel in two. The usual suspects will jump up and down about sovereignty but the US CBP being on Irish soil is much the same thing. The alternative is to reinstate the border.

This idea isn't a runner as far as I can see, puttting EU citizens in an inferior queue is not a reasonable proposition. Not sure if UK citizens can be allowed stay in the EU queue, probably not. 

The alternative is to reinstate the border.

This would not be "reinstatement", as there was never passport type control on the border. It is also entirely infeasible, the only feasible controls are at a Stranraer and Liverpool.

The whole Guardian article was mere distraction from the real customs type issues.