The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Gmac]

It looks like white society is in crisis. White women majority Trump ?

what the maps show me are that a lot of white people feel the democrat party do not represent them in any way and the democrats are all about keeping power and will pander to any groups to do so .Hillary will call millions of citizens of the country deplorable but  would say that people here living illegally are the salt of the earth , all pandering to the changing demographics of the country but not sincere about it . Trump is right about one thing the Washington dc swamp needs to be drained of all these fakes on all sides.

Or...

The GOP has hooked their wagon to the bitter, resentful white demographic who are upset that the nature of the country is changing and their white, christian, homophobic position of superiority is on the wane as society becomes more enlightened.

Did you miss the GOP's post-2012 navel gazing and mea culpa about their narrowing appeal and the manner in which their rhetoric and policies repels minorities, gays, women and so on and on?

The pity for them is that their base are not quite ready to repudiate those positions.

If the Dems are not sincere, why, for example, did Obama embrace the Dreamers program? Why did he end Don't Ask Don't Tell and stop defending DOMA, an important step in the eventual supreme court decision on gay marriage?

Political parties pander. Its what they do. And then they try to carry out some of the stuff they run on. But the difference is that the Democrats, at least socially, are on the right side of history and the GOP are dying along with their dwindling, aging white base.

The days of the white christian male being the be all and end all of the US citizen are gone. Good riddance. If the GOP can't sort themselves out, good riddance to them too as a national party.

i don't give a flying Fack about the Republican Party and neither do most of the people in this poll imo that's why trump won the primary .as usual if u don't agree with the dems u are a rascist,homophobe or an uneducated fool . Obama probably believed in his policies at least .Hillary on the other hand is all about the power and in the long run might be a good thing for the conservative movement and hopefully runs again in four years and the country's eyes are opened by then and there is a good conservative alternative.

[heganboy]

What would be the policies of a "good conservative alternative"?

[muppet]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/17088

On the Podesta e-mail thing....read the rest of the thread of e-mails from the wikileak source page instead of the right-wing spin sites. 

The discussion is about voter turnout and how a poorly designed voter registration system is to blame for relatively low voter turnout.   Podesta's suggestion is simply that a voter who hasn't officially registered to vote prior to election day can still vote (and so it's not too late to get unregistered dem voters to the polls).  No-one is talking about voter fraud or non-citizens voting.

the problem with that is in a state like California there are about 3/4 of million illegals who have got valid drivers licenses  since the start of 2015 so a valid id is not a proof of citizenship

But he's clearly not talking about non-citizens.  Nor is he advocating that non-citizens should vote fraudulently.

When a paid consultant for the Clinton campaign states (on tape) "It doesn't matter what the friggin' legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherfucker", I am under no illusions that these people will do whatever it takes to win (or steal) the election

Have you not just described the American Way?

Why does your conscience only apply to Hillary? Also, as was suggested earlier, you should read the rest of the emails in the conversation. The idea went nowhere.

It's all open to interpretation.....he made a statement that could be construed that he is encouraging voter fraud. You give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't.

The law gives everyone the benefit of the doubt. At least it should.

[seafoid]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/17088

On the Podesta e-mail thing....read the rest of the thread of e-mails from the wikileak source page instead of the right-wing spin sites. 

The discussion is about voter turnout and how a poorly designed voter registration system is to blame for relatively low voter turnout.   Podesta's suggestion is simply that a voter who hasn't officially registered to vote prior to election day can still vote (and so it's not too late to get unregistered dem voters to the polls).  No-one is talking about voter fraud or non-citizens voting.

the problem with that is in a state like California there are about 3/4 of million illegals who have got valid drivers licenses  since the start of 2015 so a valid id is not a proof of citizenship

But he's clearly not talking about non-citizens.  Nor is he advocating that non-citizens should vote fraudulently.

When a paid consultant for the Clinton campaign states (on tape) "It doesn't matter what the friggin' legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherfucker", I am under no illusions that these people will do whatever it takes to win (or steal) the election

Have you not just described the American Way?

Why does your conscience only apply to Hillary? Also, as was suggested earlier, you should read the rest of the emails in the conversation. The idea went nowhere.

It's all open to interpretation.....he made a statement that could be construed that he is encouraging voter fraud. You give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't.

The law gives everyone the benefit of the doubt. At least it should.

When did you arrive on the planet, Muppet? Did you have a nice journey?

[whitey]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/17088

On the Podesta e-mail thing....read the rest of the thread of e-mails from the wikileak source page instead of the right-wing spin sites. 

The discussion is about voter turnout and how a poorly designed voter registration system is to blame for relatively low voter turnout.   Podesta's suggestion is simply that a voter who hasn't officially registered to vote prior to election day can still vote (and so it's not too late to get unregistered dem voters to the polls).  No-one is talking about voter fraud or non-citizens voting.

the problem with that is in a state like California there are about 3/4 of million illegals who have got valid drivers licenses  since the start of 2015 so a valid id is not a proof of citizenship

But he's clearly not talking about non-citizens.  Nor is he advocating that non-citizens should vote fraudulently.

When a paid consultant for the Clinton campaign states (on tape) "It doesn't matter what the friggin' legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherfucker", I am under no illusions that these people will do whatever it takes to win (or steal) the election

Have you not just described the American Way?

Why does your conscience only apply to Hillary? Also, as was suggested earlier, you should read the rest of the emails in the conversation. The idea went nowhere.

It's all open to interpretation.....he made a statement that could be construed that he is encouraging voter fraud. You give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't.

The law gives everyone the benefit of the doubt. At least it should.

Correct....and he should be given an opportunity to explain his comments, under oath, in front of a Congress. (unless he decides to plead the fifth like some of Hillarys other henchmen)

[J70]

It looks like white society is in crisis. White women majority Trump ?

what the maps show me are that a lot of white people feel the democrat party do not represent them in any way and the democrats are all about keeping power and will pander to any groups to do so .Hillary will call millions of citizens of the country deplorable but  would say that people here living illegally are the salt of the earth , all pandering to the changing demographics of the country but not sincere about it . Trump is right about one thing the Washington dc swamp needs to be drained of all these fakes on all sides.

Or...

The GOP has hooked their wagon to the bitter, resentful white demographic who are upset that the nature of the country is changing and their white, christian, homophobic position of superiority is on the wane as society becomes more enlightened.

Did you miss the GOP's post-2012 navel gazing and mea culpa about their narrowing appeal and the manner in which their rhetoric and policies repels minorities, gays, women and so on and on?

The pity for them is that their base are not quite ready to repudiate those positions.

If the Dems are not sincere, why, for example, did Obama embrace the Dreamers program? Why did he end Don't Ask Don't Tell and stop defending DOMA, an important step in the eventual supreme court decision on gay marriage?

Political parties pander. Its what they do. And then they try to carry out some of the stuff they run on. But the difference is that the Democrats, at least socially, are on the right side of history and the GOP are dying along with their dwindling, aging white base.

The days of the white christian male being the be all and end all of the US citizen are gone. Good riddance. If the GOP can't sort themselves out, good riddance to them too as a national party.

i don't give a flying Fack about the Republican Party and neither do most of the people in this poll imo that's why trump won the primary .as usual if u don't agree with the dems u are a rascist,homophobe or an uneducated fool . Obama probably believed in his policies at least .Hillary on the other hand is all about the power and in the long run might be a good thing for the conservative movement and hopefully runs again in four years and the country's eyes are opened by then and there is a good conservative alternative.

I didn't say anyone who disagreed with the Dems is a "racist, homophobe or uneducated fool."

I said the GOP had, through rhetoric and policies, bet their electoral success on fomenting and capitalizing on the resentments of white christians.

Worked for a while, but the problem was that societal evolution, culturally and demographically,  meant their resentment politics would ultimately remain, mostly, in the realm of rhetoric - society moved on. The logical endpoint was Trump, but if the GOP hadn't laid the groundwork, Trump couldn't have happened.

As for Hillary's bona fides, well luckily for you it looks like we are about to have, at least, a four year experiment to test it!

[seafoid]

What would be the policies of a "good conservative alternative"?

Lowish taxes
Prudent budget management
Support for SMEs
Help after natural disasters
Proper Financial regulation

[whitey]

What would be the policies of a "good conservative alternative"?

Lowish taxes
Prudent budget management
Support for SMEs
Help after natural disasters
Proper Financial regulation

This guy would make a great candidate:Charlie Baker.

I heard him speak at an event last year and he's exactly what the country needs


www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/384969/

[J70]

What would be the policies of a "good conservative alternative"?

Lowish taxes
Prudent budget management
Support for SMEs
Help after natural disasters
Proper Financial regulation

This guy would make a great candidate:Charlie Baker.

I heard him speak at an event last year and he's exactly what the country needs


www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/384969/

Problem is that he would not get anywhere in a GOP presidential primary without repudiating the more liberal aspects of his views. As the piece says, in Kansas, he would be a Democrat!

[LeoMc]

Interesting graphic that illustrates what I said a few pages back. As the white demographic goes so goes the GOP.

Not sure about the source but I'd say it's close enough. What the underlying reasons for it are up for debate. Does lower taxes and limited government not appeal to non-Europeans and women?

Or to ask the same question another way does minimising social care and non-regulation of multi-nationals appeal to Europeans and men.

[J70]

Not when those "Europeans" have been convinced that the social safety net is slanted to benefit minorities. And also that liberals want to take their guns away. And turn their kids gay. And so on and on. The wedge stuff the GOP has used for years to get these people to vote against their economic interests.

The tax side is where the rich and business part of the GOP, the "elites" or "establishment", climb on board.

[heganboy]

What would be the policies of a "good conservative alternative"?

Lowish taxes
Prudent budget management
Support for SMEs
Help after natural disasters
Proper Financial regulation

not sure which candidate ever has proposed something other than that.

Lowish taxes- what do you mean here? low income taxes for low middle or high earners- or all three. Do you mean reducing corporation tax again. What does your candidate remove from government spending to not only have the lower tax but also to repay the debt in this prudent budget management. Hundreds of years of economic data shows that additional government spending on infrastructure, healthcare and education boosts an economy to growth meaning the budget balances itself- is that what you're looking for?

Support for SMEs- what candidate/ party ever didn't? What are you looking for that you don't already have?

Help after natural disasters? see the last point.

Proper financial regulation. Comedy- the conservatives have refused to elect SEC board members meaning that no financial regulation changes are even possible right now. Which politician can you name that understands the current financial system let alone propose changes. They are so heavily reliant on their fund raisers that the lobbyists don't even have to put this on the table for meetings.

And just in case I'm not being clear- this is not a post against any candidate, conservative or otherwise, it is symptomatic of the entire political process in the US. Root and branch clear out including but not limited to reversal of citizens united, public clarity and population based caps on campaign contributions, conflict of interest voting bans, term limits, and bans on fundraising while in office, that'll shake it up pretty handy.

Current system is designed to protect those in power, and this applies to the political, tax and lobbying legislation also.

[seafoid]

Not when those "Europeans" have been convinced that the social safety net is slanted to benefit minorities. And also that liberals want to take their guns away. And turn their kids gay. And so on and on. The wedge stuff the GOP has used for years to get these people to vote against their economic interests.

The tax side is where the rich and business part of the GOP, the "elites" or "establishment", climb on board.

the wedge issues were guns gays and god and they couldn't do it any more this time around.
Evangelicals are 90m . They have been shafted right, left and centre since 1980

[foxcommander]

Not when those "Europeans" have been convinced that the social safety net is slanted to benefit minorities. And also that liberals want to take their guns away. And turn their kids gay. And so on and on. The wedge stuff the GOP has used for years to get these people to vote against their economic interests.

The tax side is where the rich and business part of the GOP, the "elites" or "establishment", climb on board.

The liberals plan is to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator factor by beating down good hard working folk and assimilating them by force feeding shit popular culture such as rap. That's why you have all these guilt trip privilege assholes.

Your kids not smart enough to get into college or get a job? No worries - we have affirmative action plans to ensure that they do to the detriment of some other kid who gets there on merit

Don't have healthcare that you can pay for? No worries - we'll set up a plan which will allow you to thrive and support ALL of your illegitimate children while some other hard working schmuck picks up the tab

Don't want to parent and take responsibility for your child? No sweat - we'll make sure we fund these mothers and encourage more of them to do the same to ensure the birth rate increases while those working to support these folk don't have time for their families

You're seeing the results happen before your eyes. The destruction of a functioning society.

[seafoid]

Foxy,

The problem is the people at the top.
Rap is neither here nor there.