Ulster's McKenna Cup

Started by Orior, September 08, 2024, 03:48:30 PM

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Mario

Quote from: Saffrongael on September 08, 2024, 09:52:23 PMLet's face it, the McKenna Cup was a series of pumped up challenge games
Yeah but you knew when and where they were on so could watch them. It helped satisfy the early season appetite for games. This year would have been a big one too with Armagh being AI champs, Donegal coming off a good year. Tyrone and Derry with new mgmt. I'd imagine it would have drawn some decent crowds.

armaghniac

Well this put an end to the accusations of the Grab All Association, since thousands of punters want to hand over their cash but the GAA is not interested/
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

Rossfan

Tom Parsons saying the players wanted an end to pre season competitions and Jarlath B. agreed with that.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

Player welfare and burn out among the reasons for getting rid of pre season competitions. Only the McKenna cup was taken somewhat serious over the last few years and elsewhere counties fielded 3rd strength teams or development teams while 1st choice panels was playing challenges elsewhere.

I think NFL will likely start mid Jan and finished in March giving every team a few weeks prep time before the provincial championship start.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Wildweasel74

Player welfare, well all that means, is more training instead of games.

thewobbler

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:57 PMPlayer welfare, well all that means, is more training instead of games.

If it means fewer opportunities for lads to have to play Sigerson and county on the same day or consecutive days, then there is a welfare angle.

Managers will though of course undo those advantages gained.

Dreadnought

Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2024, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:57 PMPlayer welfare, well all that means, is more training instead of games.

If it means fewer opportunities for lads to have to play Sigerson and county on the same day or consecutive days, then there is a welfare angle.

Managers will though of course undo those advantages gained.
No harm, I never get the way we've been led by College football. Who actually cares about Sigerson? If a player wants to play it, let them at it. But it has moved from a weekend, to now over multiple weeks, where it competes with inter county and some All ireland club games. Again, if they want to, let them at it, but i don't get why others must try work around Sigerson to be very honest when the wider public does not care for it

thewobbler

Why Sigerson?

Well for many players it's the only chance they'll ever have of winning a grade 1 All Ireland.

Which means the standard is top class. Which means even players from Dublin and Kerry get it.

That's why.

johnnycool

Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2024, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:57 PMPlayer welfare, well all that means, is more training instead of games.

If it means fewer opportunities for lads to have to play Sigerson and county on the same day or consecutive days, then there is a welfare angle.

Managers will though of course undo those advantages gained.

So for the 4 or 5% of players impacted by playing Sigerson/Fitzgibbon and County on the same day just stop the other 95% from playing anything and spending more time training?

Just make a rule that if you're on a Colleges panel or scholarship that you're not allowed to play in these pumped up pre season friendlies, is that not the most obvious solution?

The loss in revenues for the Provincial councils and counties will have an impact somewhere.

Dreadnought

Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2024, 08:50:22 AMWhy Sigerson?

Well for many players it's the only chance they'll ever have of winning a grade 1 All Ireland.

Which means the standard is top class. Which means even players from Dublin and Kerry get it.

That's why.
And let them at it. But most don't care. But we can't let that drive that vast bulk of other things going on.

thewobbler

Quote from: johnnycool on September 10, 2024, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2024, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2024, 10:19:57 PMPlayer welfare, well all that means, is more training instead of games.

If it means fewer opportunities for lads to have to play Sigerson and county on the same day or consecutive days, then there is a welfare angle.

Managers will though of course undo those advantages gained.

So for the 4 or 5% of players impacted by playing Sigerson/Fitzgibbon and County on the same day just stop the other 95% from playing anything and spending more time training?

Just make a rule that if you're on a Colleges panel or scholarship that you're not allowed to play in these pumped up pre season friendlies, is that not the most obvious solution?

The loss in revenues for the Provincial councils and counties will have an impact somewhere.

It's more than 4-5%. McKenna Cup was were younger players were traditionally introduced to county football i.e. those of student age.

Anyhow senior county managers sicken my hole. They'll simultaneously not take the competition seriously, while demanding that all college age players make themselves available to their county (or else). They're the fundamental reason why top brass had to implement these measures.

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Btw they tried such a rule a few years ago when the colleges were in the McKenna Cup. And half the managers in Ulster threw their toys out of the pram.

EmeraldOpal

If teams can arrange 3 designated pre season  friendly games open to public could that work and charge a very low admission price.

thewobbler

Why do counties need 3 pre season friendlies before taking part in a national league they've no interest in winning?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2024, 09:39:28 AMWhy do counties need 3 pre season friendlies before taking part in a national league they've no interest in winning?

I'll be out doing lots of challenge games before xmas never mind the McKenna cup, teams will prepare as they see fit, and who wants to be hammering and tongs at the pitch and gym for training with no match to look forward to?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

JoG2

Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2024, 09:39:28 AMWhy do counties need 3 pre season friendlies before taking part in a national league they've no interest in winning?

Have you ever managed a team? Surely you can see the benefits of the McKenna Cup? Maybe time to pick another sport