Sam Maguire permutations

[trueblue1234]

But even if they don't, it doesn't mean any of the other teams would have faired any better. Tyrone & Mayo were so poor, Galway beat by a point, but by a team that are well off the pace. Armagh, Cork couldn't claim to be any better. If there was a stand out team, that just got caught on the hop and were pipped on the day, you could make a case. But that hasn't been the case this year. Top three teams are there in Derry, Dublin & Kerry. Monaghan there on merit although a step down from the others imo.

[Louther]

One of the GAA's greatest strengths is hindsight.

Debate about teams having to play 3 weeks in a row. Hasn't been mentioned in the months previous to this. But now it's an issue by some pundits cause the "better" teams didn't get to the last 4. We seem obsessed with trying to create structures that the best teams on paper get to the last stages. It's the nature of the competition that there should be risk and reward for progressing at various stages.

If they had been scheduled  a weeks rest and played and say Mayo beat Dublin or Tyrone beat Kerry, the opposite debate would be heard that the better teams where unprepared by waiting weeks without a game and those that played 3 games in 4 weeks and got a weeks rest are  more game conditioned.

Otherwise we just go league basis or straight knockout as any other way is going to have variations of games V rest.

[Derryman forever]

There are only two unbeaten teams in the last 4,
But according to Seafoid and RTE one of those teams shouldn't be there.  But can't name the teams that should be there  nor give an insight as to why.

[CK_Redhand]

One of the GAA's greatest strengths is hindsight.

This is it. Monday morning quarterbacking. Fickle fans praising players they were bemoaning the week before.

Your team progresses, the format works. They get eliminated,  it's unfair.

A game is boring, change the rules.

Drunk fans, ban them at the gates.

Hawkeye malfunctions, get rid of it.

Can we not try to be proactive rather than reactive?

[Smokin Joe]

There was some exceptionally lazy analysis by pundits before the Round Robin started about how "it was all a waste of time to only eliminate 4 teams".
It was as if they hadn't realised that finishing 1st was much better than 2nd and 2nd was a fair bit better than finishing 3rd given the structure of the PQFs and QFs.

[93-DY-SAM]

One of the GAA's greatest strengths is hindsight.

Debate about teams having to play 3 weeks in a row. Hasn't been mentioned in the months previous to this. But now it's an issue by some pundits cause the "better" teams didn't get to the last 4. We seem obsessed with trying to create structures that the best teams on paper get to the last stages. It's the nature of the competition that there should be risk and reward for progressing at various stages.

If they had been scheduled  a weeks rest and played and say Mayo beat Dublin or Tyrone beat Kerry, the opposite debate would be heard that the better teams where unprepared by waiting weeks without a game and those that played 3 games in 4 weeks and got a weeks rest are  more game conditioned.

Otherwise we just go league basis or straight knockout as any other way is going to have variations of games V rest.

That is exactly it. The narrative is always twisted to suit the agenda.

Seafoid - you throw out various statements and when asked about it you say you are only relaying what someone else said but don't offer any of your own insight. You don't seem to think Derry or Monaghan should be in the semis. So who should?

[imtommygunn]

Exactly. If teams haven't enough competitive games then it's they don't have competitive games and if they have too many then they have too many etc.

The last 4 are there on merit. There's been enough games to decide them.

[Gael80]

There was some exceptionally lazy analysis by pundits before the Round Robin started about how "it was all a waste of time to only eliminate 4 teams".
It was as if they hadn't realised that finishing 1st was much better than 2nd and 2nd was a fair bit better than finishing 3rd given the structure of the PQFs and QFs.

I think too much is being made of the finishing positions in the round robins. Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of the rest and they managed the schedule knowing this fact.

Forget the league, provincial championships even the round robins, both knew they could do enough to qualify for the QF's when they'd peak. Mayo and Tyrone are ten points worse teams than both, I think we'll see Derry and Monaghan probably are as well. It won't make a difference they had two weeks break beforehand.

[blanketattack]

When the teams that got a rest won, it's because of the weeks rest.
When Kerry and Tyrone won All-Irelands via the back door in 08 and 09 it was because all the extra games were of benefit to them.

Textbook correlation/causation fallacy by lazy Irish sports journalists.

[full moon]

They're pissed because the two big games of the weekend were uncompetitive thrashings and the other two were dire contests. So clutch at straws like one week's rest.

The elephant in the room has been Dublin's funding and coaching is a different planet to most counties and has been for 15 years and not much sign of that changing. Add in the population and the fact the entire economy is based in one small county and you have an unstoppable beast that will continue to dominate for decades to come.

Croke Park and GAA pundits don't want to talk about that though. Only Ewan MacKenna has ever tackled that issue head on and people seem happy to ignore him.

[full moon]

GAA published its accounts for the 2022 financial year , with Dublin granted €1,086,251 in games development funding, around 19% of the total pot distributed among the 32 counties, and well ahead of the next best funded county, Meath, on €302,852.

That has been brushed under the carpet by all and sundry, and we were told it was changing. Even after 8 All Irelands Dublin get 10 -15 times the funding of most counties, not too mention their far superior commercial deals!

[JoG2]

GAA published its accounts for the 2022 financial year , with Dublin granted €1,086,251 in games development funding, around 19% of the total pot distributed among the 32 counties, and well ahead of the next best funded county, Meath, on €302,852.

That has been brushed under the carpet by all and sundry, and we were told it was changing. Even after 8 All Irelands Dublin get 10 -15 times the funding of most counties, not too mention their far superior commercial deals!

Population
Dublin 1.5M
Meath 0.2M

[full moon]

GAA published its accounts for the 2022 financial year , with Dublin granted €1,086,251 in games development funding, around 19% of the total pot distributed among the 32 counties, and well ahead of the next best funded county, Meath, on €302,852.

That has been brushed under the carpet by all and sundry, and we were told it was changing. Even after 8 All Irelands Dublin get 10 -15 times the funding of most counties, not too mention their far superior commercial deals!

Population
Dublin 1.5M
Meath 0.2M

It's ridiculous to base funding on that, it should be based on clubs and club members. That money is going to a small fraction of the Dublin population, the clubs and members already there and divided more equally.

Dublin already has a distinct advantage in that the entire economy is based there also.

[Rossfan]

Not defending or supporting Dublin but Meath has about 4 times the population of Monaghan or the Ros Co Board area.
Why aren't they at the level of those 2 units at least?

[tbrick18]

What are the mechanics for counties getting this money?
Does it have to be applied for at County board level? Or can clubs apply? Or does CP just allocate money out on a county by county basis?