All Ireland Gaelic Football Final 2014 Kerry v Donegal

[macdanger2]

Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.

As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.

JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.

Even after today's performance?

[J70]

Very disappointed, especially for (not with!) the likes of Durcan, who has had a superb season. We just never really got going as the early goal allowed Kerry to drop off, and then, at key stages, we had periods where we lost midfield. Both keepers struggled with the kickouts, but Durcan's struggles will obviously be more remarked upon as he gifted Donaghy a goal at a vital stage and hit a few more to lone Kerry players. It was just a grindfest, and our mistakes were the difference. I'm sure the players will look upon this a game that they left behind, but I don't think they can argue that Kerry just about shaded it. When we got back to within a point after Neil McGee stuck one over, I thought we'd keep it going and maybe nick it, but fair play to Kerry, they won the next few kickouts and stuck over a couple to widen the gap again. McFadden was very unlucky not to have forced a replay at the death (would have been nice to sicken Keane!), but he had a poor match and looks just about done at this level. I would not be surprised to see the likes of Lacey join him, and perhaps McGuinness, but whoever stays or goes, these boys have done us proud!

BTW, how the f**k did the umpires miss the 45 for Donegal in the first half from O'Connor's goal chance? 

[Syferus]

Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.

Just curious, did you watch on RTE?

I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.

Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.

So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.

Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.

Kerry have been aping Donegal's system all year.  Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.

They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.

Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.

Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were  playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.

'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.

[Zulu]

Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.

As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.

JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.

Probably does but Connolly deserves it IMO. Himself and Flynn are probably the best two footballers in Ireland.

[heffo]

BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.

Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?

[J70]

Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.

As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.

JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.

Even after today's performance?

I thought O'Donoghue did quite well today under the circumstances. No way was a forward going to be allowed to shine close in to goal.

[heffo]

BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.

Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?

Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?

Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?

I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal

[Zulu]

Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.

Just curious, did you watch on RTE?

I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.

Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.

So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.

Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.

Kerry have been aping Donegal's system all year.  Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.

They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.

Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.

Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were  playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.

'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.

You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.

[Zulu]

BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.

Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?

Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?

Donegal of all teams can have no complaints about gamesmanship.

[Eamonnca1]

I blame RTE.

I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.

All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.

[seafoid]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0921/645306-donaghy-what-do-you-think-of-that-joe-brolly/

Brolly is hardly going to be honest and say it's all a pantomime  dhera

[GalwayBayBoy]

I blame RTE.

I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.

All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.

It was a poor quality game no matter what channel it was shown on. The first 15/20 minutes of the 2nd half was truly dreadful stuff. Not that Kerry will care tonight.

[heffo]

BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.

Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?

Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?

Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?

I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal

Again, I don't know what incident you're talking about from Dublin game. Its not even clear from your description what happened: did he carry on running with the ball after it had gone out of play?

As for McBrearty against Armagh, first, it was instinctive: the ball dropped right where he was standing. Second, I'm on record on that thread for calling his act idiotic. He was correctly punished, and his punishment nearly gifted Armagh the draw when the ball was moved  closer in towards the goal, instead of it being a sideline ball.

Sorry I'll try and be clearer, this is from memory as I havent watched any replays or highlights of the game.

Near the end of the Dublin game with Dublin trying to get a goal they were awarded a free or sideline ball. With the ball out of play, a Donegal player grabbed the ball and ran off with. It was exactly the same as Keane doing what he did except it wasted more time.

Coupled with the Armagh time wasting, it's looks a little hypocritical of you to complain.

[Zulu]

I blame RTE.

I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.

All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.

It was a poor quality game no matter what channel it was shown on. Not that Kerry will care tonight.

You're right but few other channels seem to revel in making games sound worse than they were. I didn't see RTE's coverage today and the game was very poor but I've seen decent games on RTE slated as though they were the worst things ever when in reality there was plenty of good things to say even if the overall game wasn't a classic.

[Wildweasel74]

There nobody in the country that can defend that as a decent game of football, there was about 10 mins of football played in the whole 70 mins when donegal hit 3 quick points and Kerry responded with a couple late in the 2nd half. terrible shooting from both sides, took Donegal over 25mins to score from play, mistakes all over the field, G its nearly as bad as Kerry Roscommon in 1980. Say what you want about Dublin but as a neutral i would rather go to watch their games, i don't think i go out of my way to watch donegal ones.