Well done both teams. Let the battle on the board commence.
Dublin - I hope.
After yesterdays epic of going at it hammer & tongs a Kerry v Dublin final is what 31 of the 32 counties will want. After we get over todays impending muck fest hopefully football will be the winner again when we play the dubs in a repeat of last years AI SF!
There should be plenty of tickets for this wee game. ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 31, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Dublin - I hope.
After yesterdays epic of going at it hammer & tongs a Kerry v Dublin final is what 31 of the 32 counties will want. After we get over todays impending muck fest hopefully football will be the winner again when we play the dubs in a repeat of last years AI SF!
You must be joking.
30 Counties will have to avoid a Dublin media wankfest.
Looking at it now - 50 mins gone - looks like Donegal - Dubs badly rattled - cant score a goal and in fairness Donegal are playing good football!!
you can revise this now rrhf
Donegal will probably be favs. Imagine if they were added to Down and Tyrone as the counties Kerry couldn't beat in an AIF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpntHflrNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3JvP4OxZ4
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Donegal will probably be favs. Imagine if they were added to Down and Tyrone as the counties Kerry couldn't beat in an AIF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpntHflrNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3JvP4OxZ4
Stick to the jew baiting Seafoid, it's more suited to a fancy dan like yourself.
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 31, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Dublin - I hope.
After yesterdays epic of going at it hammer & tongs a Kerry v Dublin final is what 31 of the 32 counties will want. After we get over todays impending muck fest hopefully football will be the winner again when we play the dubs in a repeat of last years AI SF!
Muckfest me bollocks!!
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Donegal will probably be favs. Imagine if they were added to Down and Tyrone as the counties Kerry couldn't beat in an AIF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpntHflrNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3JvP4OxZ4
I must have been on acid in 1986.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2014, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Donegal will probably be favs. Imagine if they were added to Down and Tyrone as the counties Kerry couldn't beat in an AIF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpntHflrNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3JvP4OxZ4
I must have been on acid in 1986.
the world began in 2003 :0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9PKpElvjpc
I fancy kerry to beat the team that beat the team that couldn't be bate.
Couldn't call it but if you put a gun to my head I'd have to say it's the team wearing green and gold winning this one
Will Croke Park be available for the final now that Dublin are not involved? Limerick is available. Great intimate atmosphere. Central location for both teams and I hear Cormac Reilly has nothing on that weekend also! So looks like it will suit everybody.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
Will Croke Park be available for the final now that Dublin are not involved? Limerick is available. Great intimate atmosphere. Central location for both teams and I hear Cormac Reilly has nothing on that weekend also! So looks like it will suit everybody.
This is Marty D's year to shine.
Donegal 1-14
Kerry 1-11
Good teams learn from their defeats. After mc Kenna cup humiliation by Tyrone Donegal have now fully recovered ..
Theres no way Donegal will lose this one.
It is great to see a county like Donegal back in the big time. A pity that the Follower didn't live to see it. He was the one who wrote "they will be remembered by their own people". Far more will remember this team.
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2014, 10:21:13 AM
It is great to see a county like Donegal back in the big time. A pity that the Follower didn't live to see it. He was the one who wrote "they will be remembered by their own people". Far more will remember this team.
+1. The Follower, he would have loved times like this
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
Theres no way Donegal will lose this one.
For fcuk sake - can people please cop on and stop the bullsh1t statements.
2013 - "Crossmaglen cannot be beaten by any club side or most County sides"
2014 - "Dublin are unbeatable and will do 3 in a row"
1982 - 5 in a row
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
Theres no way Donegal will lose this one.
For fcuk sake - can people please cop on and stop the bullsh1t statements.
2013 - "Crossmaglen cannot be beaten by any club side or most County sides"
2014 - "Dublin are unbeatable and will do 3 in a row"
1982 - 5 in a row
These statements are not comparable. Few people that knew anything about the issue ever said that Cross could not be beaten, there are 20 times as many strong football clubs as counties, sure even Antrim has a couple of competitive clubs!. I'm not sure if you mean 2013 St Brigids or the later defeat by Kilcoo, but in the latter case injuries meant that many here did not expect them to win.
Keith Duggan on The Follower
Oct 29, 2005
Sideline Cut: It is a pity The Follower was not around to post his views on yesterday's farce in Australia. "They shall be spoken of amongst their people."
- The Follower, March 1988, the Donegal Democrat.
The sudden death of the inimitable Donegal Democrat columnist draws a silence on a GAA voice that was, in its way, as remarkable and original as those of O'Hehir or Ó Muircheartaigh. He wrote from a perspective that was as impassioned and instantly recognisable as the vintage Paddy Downey or John D Hickey or Pádraig Puirséal. A Convoy native who lived in Dromod, Co Leitrim, he had a foot in both counties and kept a close eye on Longford for good measure. But Donegal football was his love. From 1987 until April of this year, his weekly dispatch read like an open letter to the various generations of Donegal footballers, addressing them by first name only. And he regularly implored the Greek gods and Brian McEniff - The Follower placed Virgil and the Bundoran man on the same pedestal and often in the same line - to give it one more year, always one more year. Latin, Irish and English were his languages of choice. Born in the early 1930s, Cormac McGill was a classic Irish romantic, steeped in the language and song and unwaveringly true to the strong, anti-British rhetoric that would have been the common currency of his youth. Time never diminished the flame of those feelings, and although he was much too clever not to know that Ireland had become much too soft and wealthy to be stirred by his indignation, he never contemplated altering his stance. The Longford Leader, for whom he penned Leitrim notes, recalled a visit to the newspaper by a British ambassador in the early 1990s, with the ceasefire imminent. The Follower registered his protest by sheltering in a darkened corner of the Harbour Bar until the invasion passed.
One of his last columns in the Democrat lamented the fact that Donegal had, to his eternal dismay, been among the counties to opt in favour of ending Rule 42. Under the heading "West Brits Win Out", he wrote: "Within five minutes of the decision by Coisde Chonndae Dún na nGall to permit the foreign games into Croke Park, the news reached me here in Leitrim. I was shocked. Dún na nGall. My Dún na nGall, the last bastion of our native language."
The Follower came into being through a happy accident. Gerry McDermott, now the soccer correspondent for the Irish Independent, was covering the Under-21 All-Ireland final between Kerry and Donegal in Roscommon when he was introduced to a grey-haired, bespectacled man who spoke in the soothing tones of a practised schoolteacher about Donegal football through the decades. Out of the blue, a missive was sent to the Democrat offices with notes on the game "From One Who Was There". To McDermott and Michael Daly, now the editor of the Derry Journal group, the emergence of someone who had been attending Ulster championship games since 1939 was like a godsend. They hatched the title of The Follower in the office and the column took off, a frequently beseeching, often funny and sometimes tearful commentary on the highs and lows of Donegal football - and there are only ever extremes where that subject is concerned.
"No more will Paddy take the boat to England," he declared triumphantly after flying to watch Donegal play London in Ruislip, "to work on sites and eat Pedigree Chum," a sentiment that seems outrageous until you consider the subject of the novels of his namesake Patrick McGill. "Sam, Tá Fáilte Romhat," he wrote after the 1992 All-Ireland final. "I told you last week this would be my headline. I believed all along it would be my year." He did. He believed that most years. He did not always get it right. Excited by Donegal's dramatic draw against Dublin in front of 70,000 people in 2002, he predicted that his heroes would destroy the city boys a week later: "As Marie Antoinette, Banríon na Fraince, said: Après Moi, Le Deluge."On other days, he hit more mellow notes. "I never was a showband aficionado, my terpsichorean energies being mostly céilí. If you 'squared' a wee lass, then it was a great céilí. If you got 'shot down' it was a useless céilí or dance. Maybe things are different nowadays."
For years, the identity of The Follower remained a secret. On Saturday night in the 1980s, Michael Daly found himself taking heat in a Kerry bar from some Donegal supporters outraged by a recent column. As Daly stood his corner, he looked across the pub and saw The Follower himself happily banging away at a piano, a half-one standing on the lid of the instrument, oblivious to the commotion. "Nero plays while Rome burns" - a phrase The Follower often employed - came to Daly's mind.
Although he was loyal to Pearse's vision and a trenchant Gaeilgeoir, The Follower was never a bore or a crank. Rather, he took sustenance from the future and from youth, always dreamily optimistic about the year ahead. If he could envisage booking into "the Dergvale for the August bed agus bricfeasta", then fine things were in store for Donegal football. In humdrum times, he ruminated on the great days and on young prospects. The likes of Ovid were quite likely to crop up in a column about training in Castlefin. In fact, there was a period when Rambo Gavigan was injured that several of us hoped The Follower, with McEniff's blessing and a divine intercession, might succeed in having the poet Horace line out at centre-half for a relegation tussle against Offaly.Tied down by age in recent years, he roamed compulsively for most of his life and regularly ended his columns with a Focal Scor, praising the tea, apple tart and conversation he had been treated to in houses in the Border counties he loved. This week, they came in droves to his house in Dromod. Generations of the footballers he had idolised down the years, friends, readers. In a strange week in Ireland, when bewildered priests poured their hearts out to Joe Duffy, one man of the cloth was able to stand up on the altar and celebrate Cormac McGill's wholehearted devotion to his faith, to his family and to Irish culture. The Follower column was just a small part of a rich life, but it is safe to say Donegal football will never be the same.
Great to read that article about "The Follower" again.
He used to drive me up the wall with some of the stuff he wrote, but his column was required reading every Thursday in "The Democrat"
This is going to be one of the all time classic finals. They'll be talking about it for decades. Croke Park will be a sea of green and gold. The noise coming from there will nearly cause an earthquake. It'll be a game played with a higher level of intensity than we've ever seen before. Blood will be spilled and that's just on the sideline. The wild men v the animals, let the battle commence!
The GAA has announced that Eddie Kinsella from Courtwood, Co Laois will referee the All-Ireland SFC final
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 08, 2014, 04:09:52 PM
The GAA has announced that Eddie Kinsella from Courtwood, Co Laois will referee the All-Ireland SFC final
More importantly Marty Duffy is the standby ref.
I see in today's paper that Donegal are off to the Lough Erne resort, where the G8 summit was held, for 5 days to prepare for the final.
Apparently Neil Gallagher wasn't happy with the red wine in Johnstown House wheras Neil McGee thought the biscuits that went with the coffee were a bit on the small side.
This sort of attention to detail is what I confidently expect will carry us over the line on the 21st ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 08, 2014, 04:09:52 PM
The GAA has announced that Eddie Kinsella from Courtwood, Co Laois will referee the All-Ireland SFC final
More importantly Marty Duffy is the standby ref.
Not quite sure how Kinsella got fast tracked to ref an AI final as I don't recall him having much experience of reffing big games. However lets just pray that nothing happens him in the next few weeks as the alternative would be disastrous.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
I see in today's paper that Donegal are off to the Lough Erne resort, where the G8 summit was held, for 5 days to prepare for the final.
Apparently Neil Gallagher wasn't happy with the red wine in Johnstown House wheras Neil McGee thought the biscuits that went with the coffee were a bit on the small side.
This sort of attention to detail is what I confidently expect will carry us over the line on the 21st ;D ;D ;D
Those boys must have very considerate employers. This is where they will win the All Ireland though, it all boils down to the level of preparation and attention to detail that most other counties can't match. If McGuinness wins an AI title and quits Donegal then god help the fellow that has to take up the job after him as it will be an impossible job to follow.
Donegal should be well prepared again
Arrangements have been made to stay for five nights at the exclusive Lough Erne Golf Resort in neighbouring Fermanagh, just two weeks after a similar camp in Johnstown House, Enfield, Co Meath prior to the All-Ireland semi-final win over Dublin where, it's understood, they got through much of their tactical planning.
With a party of over 40 players and backroom staff, the costs could be in the region of €20,000 but Donegal are known to have significant backers, at home and overseas, who have helped them cover the costs of similar ventures.
Only last week three of their Dublin-based players travelled to training in Ballybofey by helicopter.It is a measure of the professional nature of their preparations that Donegal have been able to embark on such a camp once again.Earlier this year, the squad and management took in a week of warm-weather training in Portugal prior to the Division 2 league final.
The Lough Erne venue has no football fields available to Donegal, but they could host their training sessions in local club facilities.Located a few miles outside Enniskillen towards the Donegal border, the resort is a high-end venue that hosted the G8 summit last summer.
This latest trip of Donegal will come as a surprise, given the length of time Donegal have spent 'in camp' this season. Kerry were also in Portugal, visiting the Amendoeira Golf Resort at the same time and have held four warm-weather training camps there since 2010.
They regularly travel to the Fota Island resort outside Cork on the weekend before a major game.
At their weekend pre-All-Ireland final press event, full-back Neil McGee was promoting the benefits of going into camp prior to big games. "You are more or less living with the team, getting proper recovery and eating the right foods. You nail it perfectly," said the defender.Asked about the benefit of the five intensive days of preparation for the Dublin match in Johnstown House, McGee answered: "There's been a lot made about the five days, but we could prepare like that for every game, the Dubs are no exception. Five days was maybe a day or two extra, but we seen it as a massive task, it was a task we knew we could do, but we had to have the right work done.""We can only prepare how we can prepare. We can't factor in what they are going to do. We can just prepare our own team, whatever happens during the game we have to adapt and be ready for every scenario."We will get away now this week and boys will get assigned to who they will keep tabs on and whatnot. It gives us a while to prepare for it and a while to study for it."The Gweedore clubman admits he thrives in that environment, having been part of the International Rules travelling squad. "It is enjoyable," he said and he added: "If you have to find any quality at all, you will find it in those few days. When you have a bit of extra work to do, that's when you can do it, or if you need a wee break, it's ideal." Irish Independent -
See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-to-splash-out-on-luxury-lough-erne-final-camp-30571696.html#sthash.CUaTa69U.dpuf
Collective training? Long an issue in the GAA
https://www.crokepark.ie/gaa-museum/gaa-archive/gaa-museum-irish-times-articles/amateurism-v-professionalism---the-1954-debate
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
I see in today's paper that Donegal are off to the Lough Erne resort, where the G8 summit was held, for 5 days to prepare for the final.
Apparently Neil Gallagher wasn't happy with the red wine in Johnstown House wheras Neil McGee thought the biscuits that went with the coffee were a bit on the small side.
This sort of attention to detail is what I confidently expect will carry us over the line on the 21st ;D ;D ;D
Those boys must have very considerate employers. This is where they will win the All Ireland though, it all boils down to the level of preparation and attention to detail that most other counties can't match. If McGuinness wins an AI title and quits Donegal then god help the fellow that has to take up the job after him as it will be an impossible job to follow.
I've seen this idea that McGuinness is going to quit after the final doing the rounds now for quite a while.
Now, while it is entirely possible that he might, I haven't heard anything from any sources in Donegal to say that this is indeed the case.
It would be very unusual for a manager to quit having just won an All Ireland, assuming they do actually win it, especially in way that they have gone about it.
People mention his job in Glasgow with Celtic & the increased demands there, but McGuinness is a GAA man & a Donegal man through & through. He always said that he was going to Celtic as much to learn as anything else, his young family are based in Glenties & let's face facts, he will never be short of a living. If he decided to set himself up as a sports consultant in the morning he would be swamped with people looking for him.
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
I see in today's paper that Donegal are off to the Lough Erne resort, where the G8 summit was held, for 5 days to prepare for the final.
Apparently Neil Gallagher wasn't happy with the red wine in Johnstown House wheras Neil McGee thought the biscuits that went with the coffee were a bit on the small side.
This sort of attention to detail is what I confidently expect will carry us over the line on the 21st ;D ;D ;D
Those boys must have very considerate employers. This is where they will win the All Ireland though, it all boils down to the level of preparation and attention to detail that most other counties can't match. If McGuinness wins an AI title and quits Donegal then god help the fellow that has to take up the job after him as it will be an impossible job to follow.
I've seen this idea that McGuinness is going to quit after the final doing the rounds now for quite a while.
Now, while it is entirely possible that he might, I haven't heard anything from any sources in Donegal to say that this is indeed the case.
It would be very unusual for a manager to quit having just won an All Ireland, assuming they do actually win it, especially in way that they have gone about it.
People mention his job in Glasgow with Celtic & the increased demands there, but McGuinness is a GAA man & a Donegal man through & through. He always said that he was going to Celtic as much to learn as anything else, his young family are based in Glenties & let's face facts, he will never be short of a living. If he decided to set himself up as a sports consultant in the morning he would be swamped with people looking for him.
I've heard nothing about him quitting myself, its just pure speculation, but every manager will have a certain lifespan and very few only the very successful will be able to choose their own departure date. McGuinness has earned that right for himself and he could well stay on but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he didn't. Very successful managers like Pete McGrath and now Mickey Harte have stayed past their sell by date in the past and have failed to update their methods as the game has evolved. McGuinness could do well to avoid the same mistake and embark on a different challenge to test himself elsewhere or in a different field.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
McGuinness is burning both ends of the candle right now. He won't last much longer before he simply needs a break. Every damned manager is a 'GAA man'.
I don't think they have overachieved massively tbh, they had a bad year before he took over shipping a heavy defeat to Armagh in the Qualifiers. But they were only a kick of a ball from winning the U21 final against Dublin that year, Murphys penalty coming back off the cross bar.
Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before McGuinness took over, Gallagher was always a top midfielder a few others weren't consisent like McFadden and Kavanagh.
They had won the Division 1 League title in 2007 so it wasn't like it was all new to them challenging the top teams.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push.
Football is fairly limited these days too. Only difference is that a team from way down the rankings can join the top table e.g Donegal.
But in the last 10/12 years we had only 2 genuine contenders from 03 to 09. In the "oneies" we've had Cork,Dublin, Donegal winning AIs with Mwr and Kerry losing Finals.
I'd expect McG would have the cop on to know when to jump ship.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 09, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
I don't think they have overachieved massively tbh, they had a bad year before he took over shipping a heavy defeat to Armagh in the Qualifiers. But they were only a kick of a ball from winning the U21 final against Dublin that year, Murphys penalty coming back off the cross bar.
Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before McGuinness took over, Gallagher was always a top midfielder a few others weren't consisent like McFadden and Kavanagh.
They had won the Division 1 League title in 2007 so it wasn't like it was all new to them challenging the top teams.
They had some good players alright but I don't think anyone could have thought they would achieve what they have done. He managed to change a whole culture and mindset of a county within the space of 12 months. U-21 success is no guarantee of senior success but it was McGuinness who managed that side as well, which was an early indication what he was capable of.
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
McGuinness is burning both ends of the candle right now. He won't last much longer before he simply needs a break. Every damned manager is a 'GAA man'.
McGuinness is no more burning both ends of the candle than any other football manager. Don't forget the Celtic job is part time, albeit very well paid part time, so his work is no more pressurised than any other manager.
As for every "damned" manager being a GAA man, I never said otherwise. The point I was making is that if he takes the Celtic job full time that would involve cutting himself off from GAA entirely, something I think he would be slow to do.
Apart from that a full time job at Celtic would involve moving his family to Scotland. Why would he do this? At the rate Celtic are going they could have a change of manager next week & the new man could decide to bring in a whole new group of people leaving Jim high & dry.
Now, I'm not saying it won't happen. But one thing I do know, the only person who has any idea what McGuinness will do after September is the man himself & whatever he does will have been well thought through.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
It's becoming clear that Donegal are being bankrolled by a few Abramovich like characters in the background. Another 5 day camp
Do the donegal players work for a living or are they subsidised by these wealthy backers ?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 09, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
It's becoming clear that Donegal are being bankrolled by a few Abramovich like characters in the background. Another 5 day camp
Do the donegal players work for a living or are they subsidised by these wealthy backers ?
There is a group of business people who are picking up the tab for things like the trips to Lough Erne & Johnstown House not to mention the helicopter trips to training.
Employers are also cutting players a lot of slack but that is the effect McGuinness is having here. Business people see someone who produces results & is professional in his approach & they are buying into the glamour of it all big time..
All I can say is, we'd better win the bloody thing now ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players
underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 09, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
It's becoming clear that Donegal are being bankrolled by a few Abramovich like characters in the background. Another 5 day camp
Do the donegal players work for a living or are they subsidised by these wealthy backers ?
Ireland has very few Abramovich style people who bought state assets on the cheap in murky circumstances. Dinny O Brien would
qualify but who else ?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 09, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
I don't think they have overachieved massively tbh, they had a bad year before he took over shipping a heavy defeat to Armagh in the Qualifiers. But they were only a kick of a ball from winning the U21 final against Dublin that year, Murphys penalty coming back off the cross bar.
Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before McGuinness took over, Gallagher was always a top midfielder a few others weren't consisent like McFadden and Kavanagh.
They had won the Division 1 League title in 2007 so it wasn't like it was all new to them challenging the top teams.
They had some good players alright but I don't think anyone could have thought they would achieve what they have done. He managed to change a whole culture and mindset of a county within the space of 12 months. U-21 success is no guarantee of senior success but it was McGuinness who managed that side as well, which was an early indication what he was capable of.
Yeah he done a great job changing the whole mindset into beliving in the system, but thats what they lacked for a long time as they always had talented players. Donegal had a reputation as party boys before McGuinness took over.
Some of the stories Cassidy said in the infamous book about the drink Culture would never happen under McGuinness.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
McGuinness has become poacher turned gamekeeper. He was part of that underachieving group with their "infamous lack of application".
The current squad couldnt be regarded as underachieving. Even though some older members may have been part of panels prior to McGuinness taking control, it would be harsh to judge them individually, as the underachievement tag can really only be applied collectively in team sports.
As a County set up, in regards of preparation ( compared to now) , management strength of character/conviction (Kevin Cassidy expulsion) it could with the aid of hindsight been regarded as a period of under achievement.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
Quote from: Bensars on September 09, 2014, 02:49:27 PM
McGuinness has become poacher turned gamekeeper. He was part of that underachieving group with their "infamous lack of application".
The current squad couldnt be regarded as underachieving. Even though some older members may have been part of panels prior to McGuinness taking control, it would be harsh to judge them individually, as the underachievement tag can really only be applied collectively in team sports.
As a County set up, in regards of preparation ( compared to now) , management strength of character/conviction (Kevin Cassidy expulsion) it could with the aid of hindsight been regarded as a period of under achievement.
And the "over achievement" hypothesis?
I Indiana fight back campaign is still full throttle. Let it go man. Ye have the makings of a decent team there with a few more transfers and sure Kieran McKeever will be there next year I'd say.
You wont be laughing Indiana when Donegal join with the Ulster council to build a 100K multipurpose stadium in casement park and all future All Ireland finals will be there.
Then ye lot might start appreciating how much of an advantage being the HOME team really means.
It will be interesting to see if the media highlight the Donegal money problem now that they were so reluctant to talk about with the Dubs.
Back to the match and when is the last time Kerry beat Donegal in the championship?
How many times have Kerry lost to an Ulster team in the AI final now?
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So yer all ulster now is it? Ye are gas men for vicarious success.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 09, 2014, 02:49:27 PM
McGuinness has become poacher turned gamekeeper. He was part of that underachieving group with their "infamous lack of application".
The current squad couldnt be regarded as underachieving. Even though some older members may have been part of panels prior to McGuinness taking control, it would be harsh to judge them individually, as the underachievement tag can really only be applied collectively in team sports.
As a County set up, in regards of preparation ( compared to now) , management strength of character/conviction (Kevin Cassidy expulsion) it could with the aid of hindsight been regarded as a period of under achievement.
And the "over achievement" hypothesis?
Dont think they have over achieved. That would be hughly disrespectful to some very good footballers( in so much that their success is solely down to the management). If it was the case, Mc Guinness would be able to the same with a much weaker panel. ( which i would doubt) .Its doesnt matter a rats arse how talented individual players are, they have to work as a unit.
Donegal are the sum of quite a few talented parts, who collectively put a huge amount of preparation in.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
What I should have added is that it is 'getting close to the limits of their capabilities as amateur sportsmen' because the only possible way to squeeze a large degree of improvement out of themselves would be to become full time profesisonals. Where is the evidence? Its in the week long warm weather training camp in Portugal before the championship. Its in the countless hours of video analysis undertaken and prepared on the upcoming opponent and the detailed specific gameplan devised to counteract their strengths and attack their weaknesses. Its in the size of the backroom staff that each have a small but significant role in creating an environment for maximum performance for each player. Its in the weekend breaks (and sometimes 5 days) before each championship match where multiple daily sessions and meetings are held to fine tune preparations.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
What I should have added is that it is 'getting close to the limits of their capabilities as amateur sportsmen' because the only possible way to squeeze a large degree of improvement out of themselves would be to become full time profesisonals. Where is the evidence? Its in the week long warm weather training camp in Portugal before the championship. Its in the countless hours of video analysis undertaken and prepared on the upcoming opponent and the detailed specific gameplan devised to counteract their strengths and attack their weaknesses. Its in the size of the backroom staff that each have a small but significant role in creating an environment for maximum performance for each player. Its in the weekend breaks (and sometimes 5 days) before each championship match where multiple daily sessions and meetings are held to fine tune preparations.
But all the top teams are doing that stuff.
Are they all over achieving?
Quote from: Bensars on September 09, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 09, 2014, 02:49:27 PM
McGuinness has become poacher turned gamekeeper. He was part of that underachieving group with their "infamous lack of application".
The current squad couldnt be regarded as underachieving. Even though some older members may have been part of panels prior to McGuinness taking control, it would be harsh to judge them individually, as the underachievement tag can really only be applied collectively in team sports.
As a County set up, in regards of preparation ( compared to now) , management strength of character/conviction (Kevin Cassidy expulsion) it could with the aid of hindsight been regarded as a period of under achievement.
And the "over achievement" hypothesis?
Dont think they have over achieved. That would be hughly disrespectful to some very good footballers( in so much that their success is solely down to the management). If it was the case, Mc Guinness would be able to the same with a much weaker panel. ( which i would doubt) .Its doesnt matter a rats arse how talented individual players are, they have to work as a unit.
Donegal are the sum of quite a few talented parts, who collectively put a huge amount of preparation in.
Agreed. The all for one & one for all ethic is paramount in McGuinness's way of thinking & you are either in or out.
With that in mind I wonder what he makes of Mark McHugh's new career in the media with the sharp suit, gelled hair & trendy beard not to mention the congratulatory tweets.
I think it could be a long road back for him under the gimlet eye of the one who never forgets!!
Are any of ye Donegal boys ( and girls) worried that maybe you hit your big performance against the Dubs and might be a little flat for the final like happened in Ulster last year after the Tyrone match?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
So yer all ulster now is it? Ye are gas men for vicarious success.
It's called rowing in behind your neighbours and preferring Sam to come North rather than stay in Leinster or go back to Munster?
Do you want Kerry to win then AZ? I wonder why.
Because my wife is from Kerry, and I have good friends down there. Is that ok? But I find this 'How many Ulster teams have Kerry lost to?' quite amusing. As if ye are all united against the Kingdom. Sure how many Leinster or Connacht counties have they lost to over the years?
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
Are any of ye Donegal boys ( and girls) worried that maybe you hit your big performance against the Dubs and might be a little flat for the final like happened in Ulster last year after the Tyrone match?
No.
If we don't perform it will be because Kerry didn't let us.
Last year was injuries, tiredness, hunger. And then a good and hurting Mayo side out for revenge.
I don't think nerves should be a factor this time around either like in the second quarter of the 12 final when a lot of silly mistakes were made. Almost all these boys have a medal already.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
What I should have added is that it is 'getting close to the limits of their capabilities as amateur sportsmen' because the only possible way to squeeze a large degree of improvement out of themselves would be to become full time profesisonals. Where is the evidence? Its in the week long warm weather training camp in Portugal before the championship. Its in the countless hours of video analysis undertaken and prepared on the upcoming opponent and the detailed specific gameplan devised to counteract their strengths and attack their weaknesses. Its in the size of the backroom staff that each have a small but significant role in creating an environment for maximum performance for each player. Its in the weekend breaks (and sometimes 5 days) before each championship match where multiple daily sessions and meetings are held to fine tune preparations.
But all the top teams are doing that stuff.
Are they all over achieving?
Exactly,
the top teams, of which Donegal were not a member until McGuinness came in, changed the culture and took preparations to new levels. The vast majority of counties would not prepare to anywhere near the level of Donegal.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to the players because there are some very talented players in the squad but I think its the collective that is the primary strength of the team as opposed to any stand out players bar Murphy and Lacey. For instance I think the current Donegal side are at least the equal of the current Kerry side on an individual basis and possibly even marginally better.
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
Are any of ye Donegal boys ( and girls) worried that maybe you hit your big performance against the Dubs and might be a little flat for the final like happened in Ulster last year after the Tyrone match?
No.
If we don't perform it will be because Kerry didn't let us.
Last year was injuries, tiredness, hunger. And then a good and hurting Mayo side out for revenge.
I don't think nerves should be a factor this time around either like in the second quarter of the 12 final when a lot of silly mistakes were made. Almost all these boys have a medal already.
This had crossed my mind but then I remembered who is in charge & the worry disappeared like a puff of smoke.
The Tyrone thing was different they did beat Down in the semi final but physically, it just wasn't there.
5 days in Lough Erne will have them champing at the bit & eating only Stork margarine instead of Kerrygold.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
Are any of ye Donegal boys ( and girls) worried that maybe you hit your big performance against the Dubs and might be a little flat for the final like happened in Ulster last year after the Tyrone match?
No.
If we don't perform it will be because Kerry didn't let us.
Last year was injuries, tiredness, hunger. And then a good and hurting Mayo side out for revenge.
I don't think nerves should be a factor this time around either like in the second quarter of the 12 final when a lot of silly mistakes were made. Almost all these boys have a medal already.
This had crossed my mind but then I remembered who is in charge & the worry disappeared like a puff of smoke.
The Tyrone thing was different they did beat Down in the semi final but physically, it just wasn't there.
5 days in Lough Erne will have them champing at the bit & eating only Stork margarine instead of Kerrygold.
Yeah I suppose injuries and tiredness played a huge factor last year. I didn't think Donegal were that nervous in the 12 final it was just we came roaring back into the game after the brilliant start by Donegal. If Donegal had any serious problems with nerves in that final they wouldn't have shut down the match they way they did in the third quarter especially. I think sometimes Donegal don't get the credit they deserve for the brilliant first and third quarter performance in that final because every county would expect to hammer Mayo if they get to a final these days. Personally I would be shocked if nerves are any real factor for Donegal in this final as the have matured every year as a team under Jim . Kerry could get a scoring burst if( and it's a big if) they can get space for their danger men inside as they are ruthless if they get a sniff of a goal but I think they will have to be patient and pick off the long range points.
I think Kerry will concentrate on nullifying Ryan McHugh , Neil Gallagher , Lacey and Murphy as they tend to attack a teams strength's rather than pray on weaknesses to win these big games. Whether they can do that is what will intrigue me along with the fact that will Donegal probe a shaky enough back six for Kerry with direct ball or trust their running game on the counter. Their fullback line was poor under the high ball against us and take David Moran out of the equation and the keeper struggles to vary his kickouts. Will Donaghy get any joy against the McGees? McGlynn vs Donnacha Walsh will be explosive.Great game in store and I am really looking forward to it.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 09, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
Are any of ye Donegal boys ( and girls) worried that maybe you hit your big performance against the Dubs and might be a little flat for the final like happened in Ulster last year after the Tyrone match?
No.
If we don't perform it will be because Kerry didn't let us.
Last year was injuries, tiredness, hunger. And then a good and hurting Mayo side out for revenge.
I don't think nerves should be a factor this time around either like in the second quarter of the 12 final when a lot of silly mistakes were made. Almost all these boys have a medal already.
This had crossed my mind but then I remembered who is in charge & the worry disappeared like a puff of smoke.
The Tyrone thing was different they did beat Down in the semi final but physically, it just wasn't there.
5 days in Lough Erne will have them champing at the bit & eating only Stork margarine instead of Kerrygold.
They'd be better with the full fat butter as that margarine shite.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 09, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
What I should have added is that it is 'getting close to the limits of their capabilities as amateur sportsmen' because the only possible way to squeeze a large degree of improvement out of themselves would be to become full time profesisonals. Where is the evidence? Its in the week long warm weather training camp in Portugal before the championship. Its in the countless hours of video analysis undertaken and prepared on the upcoming opponent and the detailed specific gameplan devised to counteract their strengths and attack their weaknesses. Its in the size of the backroom staff that each have a small but significant role in creating an environment for maximum performance for each player. Its in the weekend breaks (and sometimes 5 days) before each championship match where multiple daily sessions and meetings are held to fine tune preparations.
But all the top teams are doing that stuff.
Are they all over achieving?
Exactly, the top teams, of which Donegal were not a member until McGuinness came in, changed the culture and took preparations to new levels. The vast majority of counties would not prepare to anywhere near the level of Donegal.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to the players because there are some very talented players in the squad but I think its the collective that is the primary strength of the team as opposed to any stand out players bar Murphy and Lacey. For instance I think the current Donegal side are at least the equal of the current Kerry side on an individual basis and possibly even marginally better.
That doesn't make sense. If all the top teams are preparing that way, then surely the minimum requirement for those aspiring to join them is to also prepare in a similar manner. So how can a side be overachieving because they are putting in the same work as the others at the top level?
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Could he become Football's Cody going on for 15 years? :o
No chance. Hurling's AI title is the preserve of about 5 or 6 counties per year at a push. Kilkenny have no football to compete with so its not even comparable. Prior to McGuinness taking over Donegal they were ranked about 20th I think but have now won 3 Ulster titles in 4 years and are on the verge of their 2nd AI title in the same period. They have over achieved massively in doing this but could just as easily slip down to the lower reaches of the top 20. The depth of competition in football is much greater than hurling.
An over achieving team will win one title, not be one of the leading teams over a span of four years.
If they are not an over achieving side then are you of the opinion that they have only achieved what their ability suggested that they should have done? I would disagree strongly with that, the Donegal collective is much greater than the sum of the individual talent. The single biggest factor is the manager. Without him it is debatable if they would have won an Ulster title, now they are on the verge of their second AI title.
Did the Dubs of the 70s over achieve? What if Heffernan hadn't come along?
How about Meath under Boylan? Armagh under Kernan?
The only thing that is clear is that these Donegal players underachieved prior to McGuinness, through a combination of POOR management (no disrespect to them, but we were a shambles under John Joe and often under McIver) and their infamous lack of application.
Yes, they probably did under achieve prior to McGuinness but they have been getting close to the limits of their capabilities since then. Not many counties can say the same thing because to do so the players have to totally buy into what the manager wants and demands of them without any guarantee of success. McGuinness' greatest gift is that he convinced the players early on in his reign that great things lay in store for them if they followed him, he changed an entire counties culture overnight and the rest is history. No other manager in the country was capable of doing what he done imo.
You say they are "getting close to the limits of their capabilities" as if it is self evident. So what IS the evidence?
There seems to be a popular consensus that you could parachute McGuinness into ANY county and provincial titles and AI final appearances would almost inevitably follow. This consensus doesn't appear to be built on anything beyond lazy hype, however.
What I should have added is that it is 'getting close to the limits of their capabilities as amateur sportsmen' because the only possible way to squeeze a large degree of improvement out of themselves would be to become full time profesisonals. Where is the evidence? Its in the week long warm weather training camp in Portugal before the championship. Its in the countless hours of video analysis undertaken and prepared on the upcoming opponent and the detailed specific gameplan devised to counteract their strengths and attack their weaknesses. Its in the size of the backroom staff that each have a small but significant role in creating an environment for maximum performance for each player. Its in the weekend breaks (and sometimes 5 days) before each championship match where multiple daily sessions and meetings are held to fine tune preparations.
But all the top teams are doing that stuff.
Are they all over achieving?
Exactly, the top teams, of which Donegal were not a member until McGuinness came in, changed the culture and took preparations to new levels. The vast majority of counties would not prepare to anywhere near the level of Donegal.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to the players because there are some very talented players in the squad but I think its the collective that is the primary strength of the team as opposed to any stand out players bar Murphy and Lacey. For instance I think the current Donegal side are at least the equal of the current Kerry side on an individual basis and possibly even marginally better.
That doesn't make sense. If all the top teams are preparing that way, then surely the minimum requirement for those aspiring to join them is to also prepare in a similar manner. So how can a side be overachieving because they are putting in the same work as the others at the top level?
Stop trying to complicate things and win an argument that will go around in circles. The top teams aren't all preparing to the EXACT same levels, it's like comparing the top F1 drivers with each other even though they are driving for different teams. Its still not a like for like comparision. I believe McGuinness is the best manager among the top teams for instance which is a big advantage for Donegal.
I'll finish by asking you one more question. Since you seem to think Donegal have more individual talent than I am giving them credit for then how many of the current Donegal team would you include in an all Ireland XV select?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Because my wife is from Kerry, and I have good friends down there. Is that ok? But I find this 'How many Ulster teams have Kerry lost to?' quite amusing. As if ye are all united against the Kingdom. Sure how many Leinster or Connacht counties have they lost to over the years?
Well they've lost to more than half the Ulster counties, is this true of Leinster?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Because my wife is from Kerry, and I have good friends down there. Is that ok? But I find this 'How many Ulster teams have Kerry lost to?' quite amusing. As if ye are all united against the Kingdom. Sure how many Leinster or Connacht counties have they lost to over the years?
Well they've lost to more than half the Ulster counties, is this true of Leinster?
Dublin, Kildare, Wexford, Offaly, Meath and Louth. Louth's win though was technically a w/o.
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That doesn't make sense. If all the top teams are preparing that way, then surely the minimum requirement for those aspiring to join them is to also prepare in a similar manner. So how can a side be overachieving because they are putting in the same work as the others at the top level?
Stop trying to complicate things and win an argument that will go around in circles. The top teams aren't all preparing to the EXACT same levels, it's like comparing the top F1 drivers with each other even though they are driving for different teams. Its still not a like for like comparision. I believe McGuinness is the best manager among the top teams for instance which is a big advantage for Donegal.
I'll finish by asking you one more question. Since you seem to think Donegal have more individual talent than I am giving them credit for then how many of the current Donegal team would you include in an all Ireland XV select?
Its not about "winning an argument". I think there is a lot of disrespect out there for the talent of the Donegal players, typified by your and others "over achievement" claims, which are pretty thin given that this is the third season out of four in which Donegal won Ulster and made the AI semis, and second out of three in which they are in the final and possibly even champions. I don't care how well a team is prepared or coddled, if the talent isn't there, then they won't consistently be at the top. A game plan alone might bring you so far one year, but you can't have sustained success if you don't have the players. (And sure its only a year since the media (and this board) was celebrating the supposed end of Donegal, McGuinness and the blanket defense!).
And who is claiming that Donegal have the best players in certain positions? And why is "best player in position" relevant? You're talking about lads "overachieving" over a four year period! If they are not the
best players, does that mean they are overachieving?
But I'll play, at least for a minute. Murphy would make no.14 on any best-of fifteen, IMO, even though he doesn't spend too much time there for Donegal. Lacey is obviously up there with the best, either as a centre back or a man-marking corner back, although he has a lot of miles run at this point. Is there a better fielder around than Neil Gallagher? The man has been superb at midfield this season. I wouldn't swap Neil McGee for any other full back. Young McHugh and MacNiallais have been superb this year, but this stuff is all stupid. How do you choose between three or four top class players for a position on an AI fifteen? And say, on overall average, we have playerss who might be only ranked fourth or fifth in their positions - does that make them overachievers in a championship where four or five teams might have a legitimate shot at winning?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Because my wife is from Kerry, and I have good friends down there. Is that ok? But I find this 'How many Ulster teams have Kerry lost to?' quite amusing. As if ye are all united against the Kingdom. Sure how many Leinster or Connacht counties have they lost to over the years?
Well they've lost to more than half the Ulster counties, is this true of Leinster?
Dublin, Kildare, Wexford, Offaly, Meath and Louth. Louth's win though was technically a w/o.
To be fair most of those wins go back to when the GAA was formed. I'm not sure the Ulster hoodoo applies to the current Kerry team, it was more the 2000's bunch that had a mental barrier when it came to Ulster teams. Not many of that Kerry team remain, possibly 4 or 5 at most.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 09, 2014, 05:27:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Because my wife is from Kerry, and I have good friends down there. Is that ok? But I find this 'How many Ulster teams have Kerry lost to?' quite amusing. As if ye are all united against the Kingdom. Sure how many Leinster or Connacht counties have they lost to over the years?
Well they've lost to more than half the Ulster counties, is this true of Leinster?
there are lies, damn lies and Ulster statistics ;D ;D
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It's becoming clear that Donegal are being bankrolled by a few Abramovich like characters in the background. Another 5 day camp
Do the donegal players work for a living or are they subsidised by these wealthy backers ?
There is a group of business people who are picking up the tab for things like the trips to Lough Erne & Johnstown House not to mention the helicopter trips to training.
Employers are also cutting players a lot of slack but that is the effect McGuinness is having here. Business people see someone who produces results & is professional in his approach & they are buying into the glamour of it all big time..
All I can say is, we'd better win the bloody thing now ;D ;D ;D
Imagine the reaction if Dublin went for a 5 day training camp? Nice employers - must make my own enquries as to what Donegal players actually do during the day except train. Maybe they are ll gym instructors?
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicative of any sort of hoodoo?
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 09, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicatea any sort of hoodoo.
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
It is the proud (but humble) county of Kerry v the best of professional Ulster.
We'll do our best.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 09, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicative of any sort of hoodoo?
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
When you consider that the Kerry team of the 00's was one of if not thee best team of the modern era, and practically all their knock out blows in that decade were inflicted by Ulster teams then it's a fair assumption that it was this style of football that caused Kerry most difficulty. To be fair to them it was Tyrone in particular who did seem to get under Kerry's skin the most and I think Jack O Connor said as much in his book. There was a certain inevitability about that 2008 final defeat due to the mental scars of previous defeats.
However I don't think any of this will have much bearing on this AI final as a lot of these Kerry players have little history in AI finals against Ulster teams.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 09, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicative of any sort of hoodoo?
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
When you consider that the Kerry team of the 00's was one of if not thee best team of the modern era, and practically all their knock out blows in that decade were inflicted by Ulster teams then it's a fair assumption that it was this style of football that caused Kerry most difficulty. To be fair to them it was Tyrone in particular who did seem to get under Kerry's skin the most and I think Jack O Connor said as much in his book. There was a certain inevitability about that 2008 final defeat due to the mental scars of previous defeats.
However I don't think any of this will have much bearing on this AI final as a lot of these Kerry players have little history in AI finals against Ulster teams.
If you are going to try and play mind games it is best to make your own mind up first.
So , Kerry at a mental advantage against Donegal yes or no ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 09, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 09, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicatea any sort of hoodoo.
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
It is the proud (but humble) county of Kerry v the best of professional Ulster.
We'll do our best.
I like your style Mike, don't take anyone else or yourself too seriously.
Taken in isolation the above makes for impressive reading and in fairness it is impressive. Even the most anti-Kerry person would have to admit that you give as good as you get against Ulster teams (over the last 20 years), I think that you would agree that the previous 20 years would have looked a bit different, 1 Ulster win over Kerry in 20 years ( Down in 1991) and the 20 before that would again be a similar story ( 2 Down victories over you)
As an Armaghman and an Ulster man I like to think that we are edging towards you. Slowly, slowly we are getting there. I wouldn't be so crass as to say equals but at least Ulster teams go out believing they can win against you, a sea change in my lifetime.
Kerry will always be Kerry ( there or thereabouts in terms of All Ireland's won in any era) but hopefully we can now look you in the eye maybe not as equals, but at least as serious rivals.
I think Kerry will win this.
The best (or worst) 20 year period to pick is the 70s and 80s:
1970:Kerry 0-23; Derry 0-10
1976:Kerry 5-14; Derry 1-10
1979:Kerry 5-14; Monaghan 0-7
1982: Kerry 3-15; Armagh 1-11
1985: Kerry 2-9; Monaghan 0-10 (replay)
1986:Kerry 2-15; Tyrone 1-10.
I've heard many an Ulsterman claim Kerry's great team of the 70s and 80s wouldn't have been half as successful if they were in the Ulster c'ship, however I feel the results proved otherwise.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on September 09, 2014, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 09, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 09, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Kerry record v Ulster teams since 2000 (championship)
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6
Wins over Armagh (twice) and Tyrone included. Just for clarity. Hardly indicatea any sort of hoodoo.
2002 & 2008 finals were the biggest losses obviously. Games that Kerry could have performed better in but didn't. 2005 Tyrone were clearly a better team IMO.
Interesting to see Donegal lads having another training camp. Team expenditure report at end of year will be interesting!
It is the proud (but humble) county of Kerry v the best of professional Ulster.
We'll do our best.
I like your style Mike, don't take anyone else or yourself too seriously.
Taken in isolation the above makes for impressive reading and in fairness it is impressive. Even the most anti-Kerry person would have to admit that you give as good as you get against Ulster teams (over the last 20 years), I think that you would agree that the previous 20 years would have looked a bit different, 1 Ulster win over Kerry in 20 years ( Down in 1991) and the 20 before that would again be a similar story ( 2 Down victories over you)
As an Armaghman and an Ulster man I like to think that we are edging towards you. Slowly, slowly we are getting there. I wouldn't be so crass as to say equals but at least Ulster teams go out believing they can win against you, a sea change in my lifetime.
Kerry will always be Kerry ( there or thereabouts in terms of All Ireland's won in any era) but hopefully we can now look you in the eye maybe not as equals, but at least as serious rivals.
If an Ulster team beating Kerry helps Ulster people look Kerry people in the eye, fair enough. It is a point of honour for us to be held in such regard by an entire province.
For Kerry that's an absolutely shocking ratio of losses.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 09, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
The best (or worst) 20 year period to pick is the 70s and 80s:
1970:Kerry 0-23; Derry 0-10
1976:Kerry 5-14; Derry 1-10
1979:Kerry 5-14; Monaghan 0-7
1982: Kerry 3-15; Armagh 1-11
1985: Kerry 2-9; Monaghan 0-10 (replay)
1986:Kerry 2-15; Tyrone 1-10.
I've heard many an Ulsterman claim Kerry's great team of the 70s and 80s wouldn't have been half as successful if they were in the Ulster c'ship, however I feel the results proved otherwise.
Not back then!
Ulster football was terrible back then as witnessed by the fact only 2 Ulster Teams contested an All Ireland Final between 1969 & 1990 and winning none of them. Beat out the gate both times actually!
I think it will be a draw. The GAA have all but admitted they bribe the players with €50,000 towards their holiday fund if they draw the All-Ireland final...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/liam-o-neill-explains-three-week-gap-for-hurling-replay-1.1923206
Dont like either county these days,probably down to jealousy tbh.
Kerry will probably shade it , i think gooch will play a part.
Donegal fully deserved their win against Dublin.
But no way will Kerry indulge in the criminally insane non defending that Dublin did.
Donegal wont steamroll through the middle of Kerry defence like they did in the second half against Dublin.
Much tighter game than DonvDub.
Kerry by a nose.
Kerry for the Sam Maguire and for your Holidays.
I think Kerry are a bit young this year.
Donegal to be too cute for them.
Quote from: fearglasmor on September 10, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Donegal fully deserved their win against Dublin.
But no way will Kerry indulge in the criminally insane non defending that Dublin did.
Donegal wont steamroll through the middle of Kerry defence like they did in the second half against Dublin.
Much tighter game than DonvDub.
Kerry by a nose.
Kerry for the Sam Maguire and for your Holidays.
All true. Kerry probably won't get sucked in like Dublin were, leaving those gaps.
However, Donegal are a hell of a lot more used to grinding it out in the suffocating blankets of Ulster football, should Kerry go that route and keep their backs in position and pull forwards back.
Impossible to call.
Quote from: J70 on September 10, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on September 10, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Donegal fully deserved their win against Dublin.
But no way will Kerry indulge in the criminally insane non defending that Dublin did.
Donegal wont steamroll through the middle of Kerry defence like they did in the second half against Dublin.
Much tighter game than DonvDub.
Kerry by a nose.
Kerry for the Sam Maguire and for your Holidays.
All true. Kerry probably won't get sucked in like Dublin were, leaving those gaps.
However, Donegal are a hell of a lot more used to grinding it out in the suffocating blankets of Ulster football, should Kerry go that route and keep their backs in position and pull forwards back.
Impossible to call.
Ideally that's what Kerry need to do a la Armagh... I have a feeling this could be a complete stinker of a game!!!
If the game pans out like that it's 50/50!! I have visions of Donaghy rising for balls only to land surrounded by 4/5 men. Possibly something similar for Murphy!
Quote from: screenexile on September 10, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
If the game pans out like that it's 50/50!! I have visions of Donaghy rising for balls only to land surrounded by 4/5 men. Possibly something similar for Murphy!
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Kerry won 4 all Irelands in the last 10 years say- in 04, 06, 07 and 09
they beat Mayo twice and Cork twice. They didn't beat Tyrone despite a few goes.
Mayo and Cork have the worst records in all Ireland finals among teams that have appeared in more than 10.
Mayo have won 3 out of 14 and Cork 7 out of 23. Cork are surprisingly shite despite recent success.
(If Mayo could win a few over the next while they could even be better than cork over 23 finals)
A lot Of Kerry's thing is frightening counties in CP and I don't think they can do that with Donegal.
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
Kerry won 4 all Irelands in the last 10 years say- in 04, 06, 07 and 09
they beat Mayo twice and Cork twice. They didn't beat Tyrone despite a few goes.
Mayo and Cork have the worst records in all Ireland finals among teams that have appeared in more than 10.
Mayo have won 3 out of 14 and Cork 7 out of 23. Cork are surprisingly shite despite recent success.
(If Mayo could win a few over the next while they could even be better than cork over 23 finals)
A lot Of Kerry's thing is frightening counties in CP and I don't think they can do that with Donegal.
Kerry have not beaten a Ulster or Leinster County in an AI final since 1986!
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
Kerry won 4 all Irelands in the last 10 years say- in 04, 06, 07 and 09
they beat Mayo twice and Cork twice. They didn't beat Tyrone despite a few goes.
Mayo and Cork have the worst records in all Ireland finals among teams that have appeared in more than 10.
Mayo have won 3 out of 14 and Cork 7 out of 23. Cork are surprisingly shite despite recent success.
(If Mayo could win a few over the next while they could even be better than cork over 23 finals)
A lot Of Kerry's thing is frightening counties in CP and I don't think they can do that with Donegal.
Galway are especially prone to shiteing the togs against us.
Indeed they are. Down and Tyrone are too, but they have a different way of showing it. They take the shite out of their togs and smear it on the Kerry lad's faces.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 06:13:44 AM
Indeed they are. Down and Tyrone are too, but they have a different way of showing it. They take the shite out of their togs and smear it on the Kerry lad's faces.
Are they Influenced by watching two girls and one cup?
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 06:13:44 AM
Indeed they are. Down and Tyrone are too, but they have a different way of showing it. They take the shite out of their togs and smear it on the Kerry lad's faces.
Eh..great comeback... :-\
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 10, 2014, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
Kerry won 4 all Irelands in the last 10 years say- in 04, 06, 07 and 09
they beat Mayo twice and Cork twice. They didn't beat Tyrone despite a few goes.
Mayo and Cork have the worst records in all Ireland finals among teams that have appeared in more than 10.
Mayo have won 3 out of 14 and Cork 7 out of 23. Cork are surprisingly shite despite recent success.
(If Mayo could win a few over the next while they could even be better than cork over 23 finals)
A lot Of Kerry's thing is frightening counties in CP and I don't think they can do that with Donegal.
Galway are especially prone to shiteing the togs against us.
Not if you look at the stats for all Irelands
Galway won in 38, 64 and 65
Kerry won in 40,41,59 and 00
Kerry are not good in finals against momentum teams like Down, Offaly and Tyrone . Donegal may be similar.
Lads, Kerry get to loads of All Ireland Finals. It's hardly surprising the lose a fair few too. You tend to meet good teams in All Ireland Finals, funny that.
They've lost 21 of them. Dreadful record. Loads of counties have never lost one.
Brutal. They should be ashamed of themselves. I think we've only lost 2.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 10:17:24 AM
Lads, Kerry get to loads of All Ireland Finals. It's hardly surprising the lose a fair few too. You tend to meet good teams in All Ireland Finals, funny that.
It's interesting to see who they lose to. They can beat Dublin, Mayo , Cork and Roscommon fairly consistently but for the rest it's not far off 50-50 or less .
lolsamplesize in most cases to be fair
For completeness, Kerry's record in All Ireland Finals
v Down w0 l2 0%
v Tyrone w1 l2 33%
v Offaly w2 l2 50%
v Armagh w1 l1 50%
v Cavan w1 l1 50%
v Louth w1 l1* 50%
v Galway w4 l3 57%
v Kildare w 3 l2 60%
v Dublin w8 l4 66%
v Meath w2 l1 66%
v Wexford w2 l1 66%
v Roscommon w3 l1 75%
v London w 1 l0 100%
v Monaghan w1 l0 100%
v Mayo w4 l0 100%
v Cork w2 l0 100%
Some litany of achievement in fairness.
We win some, we lose some. At the end of the day nothing beats looking forward to watching you team playing in Croke park on All-Ireland final day. I've been lucky enough to experience it 18 times winning 12 of them. So you lads can begrudge and snipe away with ye're comparisons, we'll just get on with enjoying the rest of the build up 8)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
For completeness, Kerry's record in All Ireland Finals
v Down w0 l2 0%
v Tyrone w1 l2 33%
v Offaly w2 l2 50%
v Armagh w1 l1 50%
v Cavan w1 l1 50%
v Louth w1 l1* 50%
v Galway w4 l3 57%
v Kildare w 3 l2 60%
v Dublin w8 l4 66%
v Meath w2 l1 66%
v Wexford w2 l1 66%
v Roscommon w3 l1 75%
v London w 1 l0 100%
v Monaghan w1 l0 100%
v Mayo w4 l0 100%
v Cork w2 l0 100%
Some litany of achievement in fairness.
Interesting stats.
For the teams with a 50% record, if you aggregate the scores of the games, Kerry are ahead against everyone except Offaly who they're level with.
Kerry are actually beating Tyrone on aggregate as well so it means only Down are ahead on aggregate scores.
Offaly give Kerry their biggest beating in a final, 9 points in a replay in 1972; Mick O'Dwyer and Mick O'Connell's last final. That back-to-back All-Ireland winning Offaly team never get much credit for some reason, particularly compared to other two time all-Ireland winners e.g. Down, Meath, Cork in the 80s and 90s and Galway in 98/01.
Jack Nicklaus is the most successful player ever in golf... he has the highest number of 2nd places also!!
You can't be the best all the time (unless you're Dublin) and Kerry have shown over a serious number of years they are the best!
McGuinness interview on Off the ball http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstalk.ie%2Fplayer%2Fpodcasts%2Flaunch&ei=vqwRVM6XHYSy7AaP54D4Ag&usg=AFQjCNEKcLfZFMT9Es2Y8elXjjl5NaOAfA
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 11, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
McGuinness interview on Off the ball http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstalk.ie%2Fplayer%2Fpodcasts%2Flaunch&ei=vqwRVM6XHYSy7AaP54D4Ag&usg=AFQjCNEKcLfZFMT9Es2Y8elXjjl5NaOAfA
Was he in the Taj Mahal with his team ;)
Think this is the podcast
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/63144/1/wooly_meets_jim_mcguinness
Himself and Darragh are a breath of fresh air but this is the most interesting and insightful GAA article I've probably ever read . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-miss-the-sense-of-your-whole-life-focusing-on-one-game-30581307.html
A couple of nights after the replay against Mayo, I had the most vivid dream that I was rejoining the Kerry panel.
Northern Ireland Golf
And the only thing in my head was worry about how the boys would be when they'd see me coming through the gate. Would there be grumbling under breaths . . . 'Look at this bollix sauntering back in . . .'?
Funny enough, it never even entered my head that I mightn't be able for the training. That's the lie a dream will spin I suppose. So I was just tossing the gearbag into the boot of the car, wired up for action in Killarney, when something woke me.
Twice in about a week and a half I had the same dream, which I suppose tells you that I'm missing it. And I am. Not the hype and certainly not the endless questions, where every conversation becomes a replica of the last one. Where you're just firing out the same answer, the party line. "It'll be tough, but hopefully . . ."
What I miss is just being in that cocoon. I miss watching dusk slip down on Fitzgerald Stadium, a hard session finally over. I miss the comradeship.
When you're preparing for an All-Ireland final, you're in your own world, a world that most people outside don't really understand.
I've been thinking about the lads this week and the little sideshows that will pull at them. Tickets are always an issue. Any player will get about 35 each so, when you think about it, we had maybe 110 tickets coming into the house when Darragh, Marc and myself were playing.
Carriages
You'd think that might be plenty, but I was always looking for more come Saturday morning. I remember going up on the train to one final and asking Patrick Sullivan, the county chairman, to meet me between the carriages. I didn't want management to see me in case they'd think I wasn't tuned in.
Mike McCarthy (right) was a different kettle of fish. His mother always took his tickets and anyone who wanted one off Mike was told to ring her. Sensible.
Funny how things have changed. In the old days, come All-Ireland final week, you could have anything up to 1,700 people watching you train in Killarney. When you think about that, it was mad. Anybody could be in watching. I mean we played Cork in an All-Ireland final and all our training was open. There were no secrets, which would be unthinkable now that it's gone so tactical.
Personally, I liked three days of total selfishness before the final, so I'd never work Thursday or Friday. Might just hide myself away and watch box-sets of 'The Sopranos' or 'Frasier'. Hour after hour of it, completely on my own. Then, come Saturday, I'd get on a train in Kent Station, the Kerry gear on, but always a cap pulled down over my eyes. Hiding.
I'd go to Mallow, where the Kerry train would stop, specifically to pick me up. And that's when the clowning started . . .
Two carriages, management always in the top one, mayhem in the second. We'd become schoolkids on the journey. It started usually when the trolley arrived, little milk sachets and teabags suddenly flying. Last thing you wanted to be wearing was something white, because, rest assured, you'd be arriving in Heuston with tea-stains down your back. No prisoners taken.
Then the cards would come out and we'd play this high-risk game, 'Between The Sheets'. Basically flip two cards up and bet whatever you like on the next card being something in between. If it is, you take the pot.
Flipped
But if the third card matches one you've already flipped, you pay what's on the table.
There'd be lads like Darragh, Marc, Galvin, Fitzmaurice, Aodán MacGearailt and me. Someone could lose their shirt and that's when panic blew. More often than not, the loser made a lunge at the table, looking to retrieve his money and, realising there was no point in arguing, everyone else piled in. Carnage.
I remember MacGearailt getting fleeced one year. "Jesus Tomás, at least give me back a fiver!'
You might gather we'd be like outsized children, but the train was brilliant for getting us to tune out of the serious business ahead.
The messing was just a safety valve, a way of making sure that the game didn't consume you whole. When the time came, we always knew when to be deadly serious.
You see, I hated the team meetings. In my last few years, we usually stayed in Dunboyne and the nerves would be hopping that Saturday night when management would start going through the match detail. Whoever was sitting beside me, I was always the same. "Lord God, I wish the game was on now!"
My uncle, Tom, might call in for a cup of tea and there'd probably be a phonecall from Páidí.
Later on, you'd be in the room, flicking over and back to RTE's 'Up for the Match', nearly tormenting yourself. I know it's only a bit of craic, but you're half-afraid you'll hear someone say the wrong thing.
To lighten the mood, the juvenile delinquency might return. Maybe a water-fight up and down the corridor. Or a drop of milk dumped on one of the lads below from a bedroom window. Pure, pure childish, escapism really.
Over the years, my room-mates were Darragh, Eamonn Fitzmaurice and Paul Galvin. The most important thing about a room-mate was that, if you didn't want to talk, that it didn't feel strained. That it was a comfortable silence.
There's a bit of a snoring problem that runs through the Ó Sés, though. Darragh and I might be throwing magazines at one another if it started. Or Paul used let out this high-pitched roar that would frighten the life out of me. And I'd be "Alright, alright, sorry about that Paul!"
I roomed with him in an apartment at one of the warm-weather camps in Portugal and woke up one morning to find him outside, sleeping on a couch. "I'm sick of it Tomás!"
On final morning, the one person Darragh and I always dodged was the dietician. We'd slip over to a corner of the dining-room and ask quietly for a few rashers and sausages. Just something to get the thirst up for the day, so we'd be sure to drink enough water!
Then the longest wait of your whole life. Maybe three hours of killing time. Up and down the stairs. Walking aimlessly, stopping to watch absolute rubbish on the TV. Trust me, Sunday morning television is muck.
Then down to eat a full dinner at noon. It used to be spaghetti bolognese, which I never liked. I'd usually have dry chicken and pasta.
Then in one All-Ireland final, a few of us were standing on the goal-line, facing a '50, when Seamus Moynihan turned and let out a roar. "That f***ing bolognese is coming up my throat, it keeps repeating!" I remember Darragh taking a fit of laughing at him. That was the last we saw of bolognese!
You'd hear a pin drop at the final team meeting, phones switched off, game-faces on. No laughing and little enough talking now. We'd be serious as soldiers going to the front.
Everyone would have their own place on the bus too. Mine was left-hand side, maybe four seats back, usually next to Darragh. Mike Quirke would always be in front of me, Declan O'Sullivan alongside; Tom Sullivan and Aidan O'Mahony in front of them again. Tom so laid-back, he was almost horizontal.
I was different. I had to have my routine, everything geared towards one thing. A performance.
On the bus-ride in, I might see a fella walking a dog or maybe someone fishing on the canal, and I'd be thinking, 'Jesus wouldn't it be great to be him for the next four or five hours!' Not a care in the world. You'd have this huge knot in the stomach, your head full of some fast wing-forward coming to get you.
There's nothing more important at that moment than your head. Bar 2006, I never went into an All-Ireland final where I wasn't right. Jack O'Connor was probably questioning my form inside in training and, it's true, in '06, it wasn't great. But the way Jack was trying to get me right just didn't work for me. I was getting crankier and crankier.
I learned from that, found my own ways of sorting out the clutter.
That said, the nerves before a final never lessened with the years. In some ways, maybe you didn't want them to. I don't know is there a way to actually befriend fear, but I suspect there might be.
The first three steps onto the field would be the highlight of the whole weekend for me. You'd hear the roar and get this rush. But then, as often as not, the warm-up would leave me feeling shattered. I'd turn to Darragh. "Jesus Christ, I'm f***ed!"
But you're not of course. It's as if your body is just settling itself, bracing. Then the whistle goes, the ball flies in and you stop thinking. You zone out everything bar what you're supposed to do. That's what I will especially miss.
I'm not saying I regret retiring. My time was up and I'm sure it was the right decision. But, in that second half against Mayo, I wanted to be inside in the middle of it. I was jerking in my seat, playing the game from the stand.
And my dreams would suggest there's something in my sub-conscious that isn't letting go yet. I'll admit I'd love to be there now, just soaking up the energy of a group ready for something close to war. But I'm a supporter now and I'm 100pc behind them.
There's a saying in Kerry that, if you kick a bad pass in training, "Ah, in the white heat, you'll be grand!" And they will be.
Irish Independent
Great stuff.
'On the bus-ride in, I might see a fella walking a dog or maybe someone fishing on the canal, and I'd be thinking, 'Jesus wouldn't it be great to be him for the next four or five hours!' Not a care in the world.'
:)
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Great stuff.
'On the bus-ride in, I might see a fella walking a dog or maybe someone fishing on the canal, and I'd be thinking, 'Jesus wouldn't it be great to be him for the next four or five hours!' Not a care in the world.'
:)
A Dub no doubt
David Moran has a mammoth game in the final ...................25/1 poty ?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 11, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 11, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
McGuinness interview on Off the ball http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstalk.ie%2Fplayer%2Fpodcasts%2Flaunch&ei=vqwRVM6XHYSy7AaP54D4Ag&usg=AFQjCNEKcLfZFMT9Es2Y8elXjjl5NaOAfA
Was he in the Taj Mahal with his team ;)
The mausoleum or the take away in Letterkenny?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 12, 2014, 10:08:46 AM
David Moran has a mammoth game in the final ...................25/1 poty ?
I don't see a way for JOD not to get it if Kerry win.
Brilliant article by Tomas.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 12, 2014, 10:08:46 AM
David Moran has a mammoth game in the final ...................25/1 poty ?
Great outside bet actually
Quote from: Keane on September 12, 2014, 12:02:52 PM
I don't see a way for JOD not to get it if Kerry win.
+1.
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-g1kNO1MWQ
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 13, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
If they gave out medals for talking about football we'd all be demanding Mayo be split in two.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 13, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
Jim Mc Guinness's psychological reach extends further than you might at first suspect ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2014, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 13, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
If they gave out medals for talking about football we'd all be demanding Mayo be split in two.
If they gave out gold medals for splitting in two, Meath would need a Fort Knox.
Or splitting foreheads.
Got a pair of tickets to the game. Delighted. Mayo getting knocked out is the thing that can happen if you want to go to the AI around here.
Jasus Syfín is ther no end to your bandwagoning ? :-[
Didn't see you in the Hyde today.... maybe you were in the Executive boxes ;D
I expect the Kutehoors to win this one unfortunately.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2014, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 13, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
If they gave out medals for talking about football we'd all be demanding Mayo be split in two.
How's Cormac? He should be back doing the local circuit for a while, me thinks! :P
Either that or holidaying in the Wife's home place! :P
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 13, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
8 measly pages on this so far. If Mayo had gotten through there'd be 10 times that already. Much like the World Cup when England go out, the championship loses a lot of it's drama and romance once Mayo are gone.
:D Are you implying that the championship is 'only half-dressed' without Mayo? As Christy Ring once said about Tipp in the hurling!
Quote from: Syferus on September 14, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Got a pair of tickets to the game. Delighted. Mayo getting knocked out is the thing that can happen if you want to go to the AI around here.
no danger of ever attending to support your own county, that's for sure. I mind when the sister went with a lad from Roscommon, we were out one night in the town and the rossies had drew that day with galway in the championship, it was around the time the smoking ban had came in, went for a piss and half the Roscommon team were standing around in the loos smoking fags, it was around the time of the Armagh tyrone dominance in ulster, I mind saying to the sisters fella about it, he thought it was perfectly normal. I have no love for Armagh or tyrone but couldn't help thinking of the difference in attitudes, could you imagine mcgrane or mcgeeny or gormley, dooher etc smoking in a nightclub toilet after a match.
Quote from: charlieTully on September 14, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 14, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Got a pair of tickets to the game. Delighted. Mayo getting knocked out is the thing that can happen if you want to go to the AI around here.
no danger of ever attending to support your own county, that's for sure. I mind when the sister went with a lad from Roscommon, we were out one night in the town and the rossies had drew that day with galway in the championship, it was around the time the smoking ban had came in, went for a piss and half the Roscommon team were standing around in the loos smoking fags, it was around the time of the Armagh tyrone dominance in ulster, I mind saying to the sisters fella about it, he thought it was perfectly normal. I have no love for Armagh or tyrone but couldn't help thinking of the difference in attitudes, could you imagine mcgrane or mcgeeny or gormley, dooher etc smoking in a nightclub toilet after a match.
Great story Charlie
I once saw Kieran McGeeney eating a big bag of satsumas in a nightclub toilet.
Lucky you didnt see them playing pool charlie.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Jasus Syfín is ther no end to your bandwagoning ? :-[
Didn't see you in the Hyde today.... maybe you were in the Executive boxes ;D
I expect the Kutehoors to win this one unfortunately.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5593/15241417392_29f6869b54_o.jpg)
Mustn't have been looking very hard :-*
Quote from: Jinxy on September 14, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
I once saw Kieran McGeeney eating a big bag of satsumas in a nightclub toilet.
;D Does he still get his €25 of fruit per day I wonder?!
Quote from: charlieTully on September 14, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 14, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Got a pair of tickets to the game. Delighted. Mayo getting knocked out is the thing that can happen if you want to go to the AI around here.
no danger of ever attending to support your own county, that's for sure. I mind when the sister went with a lad from Roscommon, we were out one night in the town and the rossies had drew that day with galway in the championship, it was around the time the smoking ban had came in, went for a piss and half the Roscommon team were standing around in the loos smoking fags, it was around the time of the Armagh tyrone dominance in ulster, I mind saying to the sisters fella about it, he thought it was perfectly normal. I have no love for Armagh or tyrone but couldn't help thinking of the difference in attitudes, could you imagine mcgrane or mcgeeny or gormley, dooher etc smoking in a nightclub toilet after a match.
Top inter-county players smoking in nightclubs after matches is not a thing of the past.
Top Rugby Players or Soccer Players smoking is not a thing of the past either.
QuoteTop inter-county players smoking in nightclubs after matches is not a thing of the past.
Yes, it is. The now have to smoke outside nightclubs.
Looking forward to this game immensely, no baggage carried from the other game as we were well bet on the day and I'm leaning towards a Donegal victory and wish them the best of luck, however I really like the look of Moran from Kerry and wouldn't mind seeing him lift the cup either, I think Ill wait until the ball is thrown in and see how Donaghy behaves on the day before I silently route for one team or the other
Quote from: armaghniac on September 15, 2014, 11:16:20 AM
QuoteTop inter-county players smoking in nightclubs after matches is not a thing of the past.
Yes, it is. The now have to smoke outside nightclubs.
Does a designated, mostly covered smoking area with a bar count as inside?
Quote from: Syferus on September 15, 2014, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Jasus Syfín is ther no end to your bandwagoning ? :-[
Didn't see you in the Hyde today.... maybe you were in the Executive boxes ;D
I expect the Kutehoors to win this one unfortunately.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5593/15241417392_29f6869b54_o.jpg)
Mustn't have been looking very hard :-*
I was on the Terrace among my fellow plain people.
Quote from: Syferus on September 15, 2014, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Jasus Syfín is ther no end to your bandwagoning ? :-[
Didn't see you in the Hyde today.... maybe you were in the Executive boxes ;D
I expect the Kutehoors to win this one unfortunately.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5593/15241417392_29f6869b54_o.jpg)
Mustn't have been looking very hard :-*
Which one is you?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 15, 2014, 11:18:52 AM
Looking forward to this game immensely, no baggage carried from the other game as we were well bet on the day and I'm leaning towards a Donegal victory and wish them the best of luck, however I really like the look of Moran from Kerry and wouldn't mind seeing him lift the cup either, I think Ill wait until the ball is thrown in and see how Donaghy behaves on the day before I silently route for one team or the other
After watching Brollys analysis last night we havent a hope!
This is one mean well drilled Donegal outfit who dont give away much. McStay however is giving the Kingdom the nod but hes not as clever as Brolly. ;)
Really looking forward to it now. :-)
Daniel O'Connell v Daniel O'Donnell
the great liberator
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Daniel_O%27Connell.png)
versus
the great auld-wans-crathur
(http://www.dptvmedia.org/files/images/product_thumbnail/dodheartbreaker.jpg)
It's on muthaf**as
plus ....The Southwest is far more scenic than the Northwest
Donegal scenery
(http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2012/04/PA-11747220-390x285.jpg)
versus Kerry scenery
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Killarney_Lakes_november.jpg/800px-Killarney_Lakes_november.jpg)
(http://lessonslearntlastnight.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/tumbleweed3.jpg)
McConville and Darragh O Se have both tipped Kerry this evening I see...
A few days away from the biggest game of the year and we're only on page 10 with photos of "scenery" and a Ros Quarter Final appearing on the page.
Is this a new low for the GAABoard? :'(
My hapence worth - I think the "new" Kerry will just have a bit too much for Donegal as they won't be as one dimensional as Dublin. Also they'll be able to vary the game as it unfolds and will be the fresher team in the last 10 minutes and just pull away to win by a few points.
Hoping I'm wrong of course as I'd love to see the Donegal boys do it again. Not to mention the Ros connections of young Jigger and Thompson.
Mc Stay tipped Kerry too................ cant wait, as a matter of interest how much are stand tickets, Have they gone up from the 80 of last year?
Still €80 squire
Is it €40 for the hill?
Anyone with any spare ticket? :P
Yeah Im looking for one, dont mind standing beside a Kerry man or woman ;)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 17, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
Yeah Im looking for one, dont mind standing beside a Kerry man or woman ;)
and what makes you think we want to stand anywhere near you.
Plámás
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0917/644406-durcan/
Hard one to call. There's a chance donegal have played their all Ireland but playing kerry and mcguinness' professional approach should keep them focused.
If kerry are to win it, I think Dec O'S will have to have a massive game. I don't think Moran and Donaghy will have the same influence as they did in the SF.
Donegal by 2
I wonder what percentage of the neutral want Kerry to win?
When is the last time The mighty Kerry beat an Ulster team in the final?
Who have they got closest to???
1986 was the last time, we've since lost to Tyrone twice and Armagh once. We lost to Armagh by a point so that would be the closest since I suppose.
Depends on definition of closest. Kerry have beaten Ulster teams in 3 semifinals, 2 quarterfinals and 5 qualifiers since 86.
One thing odd about this final is that normally a lot of the neutrals cheer on the underdogs but in this years final i'd say 31 counties are supporting the favourites.
The Kerry Senior team for All Ireland Final is as follows:
Kerry Senior Football Team V Donegal
All Ireland Senior Final 2014
The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Donegal in the All Ireland Senior Football Championship Final on Sunday shows two changes in personnel from the side that started the semi final replay against Mayo.
Marc Ó Sé, introduced as a substitute in the Gaelic Grounds, retains his place in the full back line at the expense of Shane Enright and Stephen O'Brien, recovered from injury, comes into the half forward line in place of Michael Geaney.
The team, captained by Fionn Fitzgerald lines out as follows:
1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
3. Aidan O'Mahony Rathmore
4. Fionn Fitzgerald (Capt) Dr Crokes
5. Paul Murphy Rathmore
6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7. Killian Young Renard
8. Anthony Maher Duagh
9. David Moran Kerins O'Rahillys
10. Stephen O'Brien Kenmare
11. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Paul Geaney Dingle
14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks
15. James O'Donoghue Killarney Legion
Fir Ionaid :
16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
17. Shane Enright Tarbert
18. Michael Geaney Dingle
19. Declan O'Sullivan Dromid Pearses
20. Bryan Sheehan St Marys
21. Barry John Keane Kerins O'Rahillys
22. Darran O'Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar
23. Kieran O'Leary Dr Crokes
24. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion
25. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore
26. Pa Kilkenny Glenbeigh/Glencar
Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge)
Traenálaí: Cian O'Neill (Moorefield, Kildare)
Róghnóirí: Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle), Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks).
Additional Panel Players
27. Alan Fitzgerald Castlegregory
28. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes
29. Jack Sherwood Firies
30. Daithí Casey Dr Crokes
31. Paul O'Donoghue St Marys
32. Shane O'Callaghan Austin Stacks
33. Marcus Mangan Milltown-Castlemaine
34. Fearghal McNamara Austin Stacks
* Stephen O'Brien (Kenmare) was a Kerry Minor panellist in 2009 and played Under 21 with the County in 2011 and 2012. He is the holder of a Cork Senior Football Championship medal and a Sigerson Cup medal, both with UCC (2011). He holds Kerry and Munster Junior Championship medals with his club. He made his AFL debut in the opening Round against Dublin this year and made his championship debut against Clare in this year's Munster semi final. Missed the Qtr Final and semi final replay through injury.
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Both fit and playing well there's absolutely no way both wouldn't be starting.
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
As the late, great SaffronSam2 would have said:
Remember Drumboe.
We sorta know how this game is going to pan out.
Point for point for 27 mins. Donegal hit a couple of clinkers on 34 and 35 mins to either lead or draw.
Second half they pummel Kerry from 35-55 and open up a 5-point gap. Kerry are frustrated out of their skulls and Donaghy sees red. Donegal play globetrotter stuff last 10.
For that reason, I'd like to see Kerry open up a 5-7 point gap early on to see how composed Donegal can stay. Just for something different.
Apparently Gooch could get a cameo
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Both fit and playing well there's absolutely no way both wouldn't be starting.
If Mark had stayed then then he would have remained the first choice with Ryan on the bench.
Funny the way things turn out!!
Quote from: ONeill on September 18, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
I'd like to see Kerry open up a 5-7 point gap early on to see how composed Donegal can stay. Just for something different.
That's exactly what happened in the semi final & Donegal's composure remained intact. I don't think Kerry are set up to go all guns blazing so the only way they will open up a lead like that will be to score early goals as Donegal did in 2012.
Hard to see it.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 18, 2014, 10:19:37 PM
Apparently Gooch could get a cameo
If Gooch gets a "cameo" then it will have been a bad day at the office for Donegal.
All Ireland finals are no place for half fit players & Fitzmaurice doesn't strike me as the sentimental type.
Gooch might run about in the warm up to get the Kerry crowd going a bit, but that will be it.
If Kerry did open up that sort of a lead via a goal or something, they would not be caught attacking the way Dublin were. Kerry would be happy to shut up shop and try draw Donegal out themselves. This is something I think they've prepared for. If Donegal get up early, I think Kerry will panic.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 18, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Both fit and playing well there's absolutely no way both wouldn't be starting.
If Mark had stayed then then he would have remained the first choice with Ryan on the bench.
Funny the way things turn out!!
Mark McHugh was fit enough to come in the League final against Monaghan, why didn't he start ahead of Ryan that day? Ryan McHugh was one of Donegal's better players that day and doubtful he would have been dropped with the Derry match only a few weeks after that in the preliminary round.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2014, 10:36:45 PM
If Kerry did open up that sort of a lead via a goal or something, they would not be caught attacking the way Dublin were. Kerry would be happy to shut up shop and try draw Donegal out themselves. This is something I think they've prepared for. If Donegal get up early, I think Kerry will panic.
Yes - that's the thinking. If O'D nets two early on, Kerry will defend that lead like Italy, drawing Donegal out of their comfort zone.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 18, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 18, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Both fit and playing well there's absolutely no way both wouldn't be starting.
If Mark had stayed then then he would have remained the first choice with Ryan on the bench.
Funny the way things turn out!!
Mark McHugh was fit enough to come in the League final against Monaghan, why didn't he start ahead of Ryan that day? Ryan McHugh was one of Donegal's better players that day and doubtful he would have been dropped with the Derry match only a few weeks after that in the preliminary round.
The writing was on the wall for Mark at that stage, he wasn't enjoying his football & consequently wasn't playing well for either club or county.
If he had maintained his 2012 form then he would have kept his place.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 18, 2014, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 18, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 18, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
Slightly off topic here but if Mark McHugh was available this year would he be accommodated into the team alongside Ryan or would it be a case of one or the other?
Both fit and playing well there's absolutely no way both wouldn't be starting.
If Mark had stayed then then he would have remained the first choice with Ryan on the bench.
Funny the way things turn out!!
Mark McHugh was fit enough to come in the League final against Monaghan, why didn't he start ahead of Ryan that day? Ryan McHugh was one of Donegal's better players that day and doubtful he would have been dropped with the Derry match only a few weeks after that in the preliminary round.
The writing was on the wall for Mark at that stage, he wasn't enjoying his football & consequently wasn't playing well for either club or county.
If he had maintained his 2012 form then he would have kept his place.
Yeah had he been playing well, which he wasn't. Ryan McHugh was a regular in the Donegal team in the League , he probaly would have had a place in the team somewhere anyways?
Ryan McHugh has more ability than Mark McHugh , I don't think he has been that big a loss for Donegal.
I fancy Kerry to pulverise Donegal in the first 20 minutes. For Kerry to win they need to get over 8 points ahead. I fancy them to start with Donaghy. Then put o sullivan in to run if plan a doesn't work and free up o donaghue when the donkey work is done to a shellshoxked Donegal. Expect Kerry to waste a man on mc Hugh
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 18, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 18, 2014, 10:19:37 PM
Apparently Gooch could get a cameo
If Gooch gets a "cameo" then it will have been a bad day at the office for Donegal.
All Ireland finals are no place for half fit players & Fitzmaurice doesn't strike me as the sentimental type.
The
Gooch might run about in the warm up to get the Kerry crowd going a bit, but that will be it.
I meant that he's apparently hoping to be fit enough for a cameo - as in a cameo to make a contribution rather than just get on the field.
I am quite disgusted with this talk of Kerry shutting up shop if we get ahead.
We will trust our natural talent to get us through and , if not, then so be it. Sometimes it is not whether you won or lost it is how you played the game.
When the ball goes into J'OD in the first few minutes you lads will understand what I am talking about. It is that frisson of excitement. On your deathbed you will never remember the players that played not to lose.
Ye simply don't have those players. A basketballer got ye this far.
Quote from: rrhf on September 18, 2014, 11:50:31 PM
Ye simply don't have those players. A basketballer got ye this far.
An £8 million "centre of excellence" will never be a replacement for natural talent. What happened all those minors ?
The youngsters of Donegal and Kerry are proof enough of your financial folly and arrogance.
Tradition can neither be bankrolled or bankrupted. Tyrone take note.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 18, 2014, 11:41:52 PM
\ On your deathbed you will never remember the players that played not to lose.
You will for sure if they won you you your 3rd All-Ireland. Kerry folk can't remember that feeling.
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Rumors that Mike Sheehy was one of the special branch staff that identified the Donegal spy in the tree last night. So does Eamonn change his plan now that Jim knows all the details? Donegal going all out here, leafing no stone unturned, while Kerry people are calling for a root and branch review of training ground security.
Seem to be plenty of tickets floating around . Got 2 texts from club asking if anyone wanted a ticket which to say the least is unusual for an AIF.
Yes send them to me!
Anyone got spare tickets PLEASE IM me ASAP as we need to raffle some at our TAD.IE (http://tad.ie) event on Sat night for the Spirit of Paul McGirr fund.
We've already got 2 football and 2 hurling to raffle along with some signed jerseys.
Peter Canavan, Paul Donnelly and Ricey should all be there for a Questions and Answers session
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Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Ah sure the poor oul Rhus have to be saying something to fill a few pages when ye and the Donegal hoors won't.
If we ever get a Tymoan/Rhubarb final the GAAboard will probably explode :D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Ah sure the poor oul Rhus have to be saying something to fill a few pages when ye and the Donegal hoors won't.
If we ever get a Tymoan/Rhubarb final the GAAboard will probably explode :D
They don't really..but as long as it's not ráiméis like the above it doesn't matter really. That being said, surprising the Syf hasn't been on prediciting a hammering for Kerry, while also claiming huge Ross influence over Donegal..given one of the subs has a Ross parent.. :P
2 - Thompson has Strokestown connections too I believe.
Meanwhile poor oul Syfín is busy struggling to come to terms with starting Secondary school ;D
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Ah sure the poor oul Rhus have to be saying something to fill a few pages when ye and the Donegal hoors won't.
If we ever get a Tymoan/Rhubarb final the GAAboard will probably explode :D
They don't really..but as long as it's not ráiméis like the above it doesn't matter really. That being said, surprising the Syf hasn't been on prediciting a hammering for Kerry, while also claiming huge Ross influence over Donegal..given one of the subs has a Ross parent.. :P
You're some tube not to know Thompson has Roscommon roots as well.
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Ah sure the poor oul Rhus have to be saying something to fill a few pages when ye and the Donegal hoors won't.
If we ever get a Tymoan/Rhubarb final the GAAboard will probably explode :D
They don't really..but as long as it's not ráiméis like the above it doesn't matter really. That being said, surprising the Syf hasn't been on prediciting a hammering for Kerry, while also claiming huge Ross influence over Donegal..given one of the subs has a Ross parent.. :P
You're some tube not to know Thompson has Roscommon roots as well.
Humblest apologies..I know Conor Cox left the Kerry panel, so nothing there really for you?..Just in case we actually pull this off like..
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
It was a hollow victory for ye, you know it, i know it and the dogs on the street know it. We were shafted firstly by Liam O Neill and the GAA and then by Cormac o reilly who was on a mission over the Keegan issue. Donaghy got away with pull and draggin all day long and got the most ridiculous decisions in his favour i have ever seen. Nothing can change the result of that much we know, we were told we were street smart all year and we weren't , we didnt even wave a card in o reillys face when enright had to go , our CB are a shambles and quite obviously in the pocket to hq , how they could stand idly by and let him threaten us to shut up or else is baffling .We should of refused to go to Limerick, sin e.fook liam o neill and to hell with kerry.(animals)
Whatever about the ref thing, using Limerick as any sort of excuse is absolutely pathetic.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
Ah sure the poor oul Rhus have to be saying something to fill a few pages when ye and the Donegal hoors won't.
If we ever get a Tymoan/Rhubarb final the GAAboard will probably explode :D
They don't really..but as long as it's not ráiméis like the above it doesn't matter really. That being said, surprising the Syf hasn't been on prediciting a hammering for Kerry, while also claiming huge Ross influence over Donegal..given one of the subs has a Ross parent.. :P
You're some tube not to know Thompson has Roscommon roots as well.
Humblest apologies..I know Conor Cox left the Kerry panel, so nothing there really for you?..Just in case we actually pull this off like..
Ah sure Gooch is a lovely lad althogether. Sadly a Mayo bollix robbed him of his season. Kerry returned the favour in kind though.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
Being wiped out at midfield in 2 games usually means you are going to struggle to win. Start there and have a good look at your own side before moaning about refs etc..About time ye got over it now.
It was a hollow victory for ye, you know it, i know it and the dogs on the street know it. We were shafted firstly by Liam O Neill and the GAA and then by Cormac o reilly who was on a mission over the Keegan issue. Donaghy got away with pull and draggin all day long and got the most ridiculous decisions in his favour i have ever seen. Nothing can change the result of that much we know, we were told we were street smart all year and we weren't , we didnt even wave a card in o reillys face when enright had to go , our CB are a shambles and quite obviously in the pocket to hq , how they could stand idly by and let him threaten us to shut up or else is baffling .We should of refused to go to Limerick, sin e.fook liam o neill and to hell with kerry.(animals)
..like I said, you're deluded. Seems you're not alone on that sadly. I hope McStay/Connelly/whoever takes overup there is able to cast a cold eye on Mayo games and analyse their own faults rather than moaning about refs.
Now if you don't mind, this is the All Ireland final thread..start another Mayo thread of you want to discuss this further.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Whatever about the ref thing, using Limerick as any sort of excuse is absolutely pathetic.
I agree... this issue should be gone at this stage. Sometimes life is shit but there's nothing you can do about it but get over it. It's not as blatant as Mayo are making out and you certainly aren't as hard done by as Louth were!!!
My gut feeling about the match on Sunday is it will be a horrible game more akin to an arm wrestle than a game of Gaelic football. I think it will be something similar to the Dublin/Donegal match 3 years ago.
Donegal will play the same defensive system they always have but Kerry will not fall into the trap. A bit like the Armagh game it will be tight and whoever can keep their heads the best for the last 5 minutes will ultimately be the victors. I don't think it will be a classic but I'm interested in seeing how the game pans out.
I had 2 tickets (f**king won them in a draw as well) and booked to stay overnight but one of my Customers is married to a Kerry woman and needs the tickets to sort out the family. Raging!!!
By the way, seeing as how tickets were mentioned..I have relatives coming from across the water and as far away as Norway with no tickets..if anybody has a spare one (or more) I can offer cash plus pints in Dublin in return if needed. Just sayin'! Have a Hill ticket myself but hoping to get a stand ticket. Want to watch minors aswell and 4 hours on the Hill would cripple a healthy man, not to mind a semi retired footballer with dodgy knees such as myself!
Nothing between these teams and it'll be a dour enough final compared to the 3 semi finals but think Donegal will sneak it by a point or two for a couple of reasons.
1. Both teams will look to hammer the hammer, O'Donoghue for Kerry and Murphy for Donegal. Donegal have already done this in the Derry game where Lacey marked Mark Lynch out of it and I expect him to take up O'Donoghue. Will be comfortable inside on him or if he comes out to take on the Gooch/Dec O'Sullivan playmaking role. The talk in Kerry is that O'Mahony will take up Murphy but I think Marc O Se would be more suited. Got something to prove after being dropped the last day and when Kerry players are blackguarded they deliver.
2. Donegal are as close to goal denying opportunities as it is possible to get whereas Kerry have conceded at least one goal apart from the Cork game.
3. Donegal have the experience of All Ireland final day in 12 whereas 9 of the Kerry team weren't there in 09.
That said Kerry have the better long range pointers and the stronger bench but calling it for Donegal, just.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 19, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
Nothing between these teams and it'll be a dour enough final compared to the 3 semi finals but think Donegal will sneak it by a point or two for a couple of reasons.
1. Both teams will look to hammer the hammer, O'Donoghue for Kerry and Murphy for Donegal. Donegal have already done this in the Derry game where Lacey marked Mark Lynch out of it and I expect him to take up O'Donoghue. Will be comfortable inside on him or if he comes out to take on the Gooch/Dec O'Sullivan playmaking role. The talk in Kerry is that O'Mahony will take up Murphy but I think Marc O Se would be more suited. Got something to prove after being dropped the last day and when Kerry players are blackguarded they deliver.
2. Donegal are as close to goal denying opportunities as it is possible to get whereas Kerry have conceded at least one goal apart from the Cork game.
3. Donegal have the experience of All Ireland final day in 12 whereas 9 of the Kerry team weren't there in 09.
That said Kerry have the better long range pointers and the stronger bench but calling it for Donegal, just.
Lacey on Ham-ez?? That would be out of left field!Won't happen I'd say. Lacey will start on Buckley/Walsh and hope to make hay going forward. He doesn't usually man-mark these days. Crowley will likely pick up Murphy. Marc on McFadden.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 19, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
Nothing between these teams and it'll be a dour enough final compared to the 3 semi finals but think Donegal will sneak it by a point or two for a couple of reasons.
1. Both teams will look to hammer the hammer, O'Donoghue for Kerry and Murphy for Donegal. Donegal have already done this in the Derry game where Lacey marked Mark Lynch out of it and I expect him to take up O'Donoghue. Will be comfortable inside on him or if he comes out to take on the Gooch/Dec O'Sullivan playmaking role. The talk in Kerry is that O'Mahony will take up Murphy but I think Marc O Se would be more suited. Got something to prove after being dropped the last day and when Kerry players are blackguarded they deliver.
2. Donegal are as close to goal denying opportunities as it is possible to get whereas Kerry have conceded at least one goal apart from the Cork game.
3. Donegal have the experience of All Ireland final day in 12 whereas 9 of the Kerry team weren't there in 09.
That said Kerry have the better long range pointers and the stronger bench but calling it for Donegal, just.
Lacey on Ham-ez?? That would be out of left field!Won't happen I'd say. Lacey will start on Buckley/Walsh and hope to make hay going forward. He doesn't usually man-mark these days. Crowley will likely pick up Murphy. Marc on McFadden.
Left field is what Fitzmaurice and McGuinness go to bed dreaming about. Throw something at the opposition that they weren't expecting to get them out of their comfort zone. Remember Jack O'Connor putting Donaghy wing forward to disrupt Cluxton's kickouts to Flynn on that wing?
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
I've never seen a heavier demand down in Kerry for a final AO. The susprise factor and the momentum from the semi final win (when a huge Kerry crowd went to Limerick especially) are possible factors in this.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
I've never seen a heavier demand down in Kerry for a final AO. The susprise factor and the momentum from the semi final win (when a huge Kerry crowd went to Limerick especially) are possible factors in this.
If there is a big demand for tickets in the Kingdom then I can't see there being too many spares on Sunday. I remember the Cork v Kerry final a few years back and people were literally giving tickets away.
Good luck on Sunday.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
No songs for this all Ireland. Two serious managers. Getting close to weekend. Looking forward to a few pints in fagans on Sunday morning.
Plenty of songs about and plenty of farm animals painted down in kerry too.
Two serious managers?,time will tell if fitzmaurice is any use. Two very lucky teams if you ask me, Dublin took their eye off the ball and Mayo were fookin robbed.
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Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
I've never seen a heavier demand down in Kerry for a final AO. The susprise factor and the momentum from the semi final win (when a huge Kerry crowd went to Limerick especially) are possible factors in this.
If there is a big demand for tickets in the Kingdom then I can't see there being too many spares on Sunday. I remember the Cork v Kerry final a few years back and people were literally giving tickets away.
Good luck on Sunday.
However, the same counties being in the minor surely makes more tickets available.
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Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
I've never seen a heavier demand down in Kerry for a final AO. The susprise factor and the momentum from the semi final win (when a huge Kerry crowd went to Limerick especially) are possible factors in this.
If there is a big demand for tickets in the Kingdom then I can't see there being too many spares on Sunday. I remember the Cork v Kerry final a few years back and people were literally giving tickets away.
Good luck on Sunday.
However, the same counties being in the minor surely makes more tickets available.
There were Kerry fans at the replay that had never gone to a inter-county game out side the Provence probably ever. (And they did not have to go outside the province for replay). They probably got the bug or a connection with this team from that game?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Are tickets scarce for the game? Got a few calls from people this morning looking for tickets.
I've never seen a heavier demand down in Kerry for a final AO. The susprise factor and the momentum from the semi final win (when a huge Kerry crowd went to Limerick especially) are possible factors in this.
If there is a big demand for tickets in the Kingdom then I can't see there being too many spares on Sunday. I remember the Cork v Kerry final a few years back and people were literally giving tickets away.
Good luck on Sunday.
However, the same counties being in the minor surely makes more tickets available.
There were Kerry fans at the replay that had never gone to a inter-county game out side the Provence probably ever. (And they did not have to go outside the province for replay). They probably got the bug or a connection with this team from that game?
;D
We've played Galway three times in the last decade or so in the championship.
The first, a drawn quarter final, was in Croke Park.
The replay of that quarter final in 2003 was in McHale Park.
Our qualifier meeting in 2009 was in Markievicz Park.
I don't remember hearing much in the way of complaining from Donegal supporters. The team just got on with it and won the two games at Connacht venues.
Galway fans only start appearing once they get to an AI final, in football or hurling
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 19, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
Galway fans only start appearing once they get to an AI final, in football or hurling
Donegal to Limerick is a lot farther than Mayo to Limerick. A trip to Galway would be no problem.
This year we played Derry in Derry, Monaghan in Monaghan & Dublin in Dublin.
You play where you're sent, if you're good enough you win, if you're not you don't.
Can we just have Mayo posters (or at least those incapable of moving on) banned from the thread? Getting idiotic at this stage.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 19, 2014, 08:48:18 PM
Can we just have Mayo posters (or at least those incapable of moving on) banned from the thread? Getting idiotic at this stage.
Apologies ----- Sorted!
Don't know if this has been put up already but from gaa.ie here is the Kerry team ;
KERRY (SF v Donegal): Brian Kelly; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Fionn Fitzgerald; Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Killian Young; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Paul Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue.
Interesting full back line and for me they are a bit suspect under the high ball? Will Fitzgerald start back there or will he swap with Young/Murphy. Will Donaghy stay in at 14 or move out the field with O'Brien moving in closer to goal. I think O'Brien's pace ( and eye for goal) could be more useful at the start of the game anyway with Donaghy moving in later on. The McGees are tough men though so maybe Donaghy will be needed to add a bit of beef in there to keep them occupied. Buckley, Moran and Maher will be expected to do the heavy lifting in the middle I suppose?
O'Mahony was way out the field the last day. Could just be just Fitzmaurice doing his best Jimmy impersonation naming Fitzgerald there.
I guess Fitzmaurice was as unhappy with Enright as Mayo supporters were.
Any links or streams to watch the game,on holidays but the wifi isn't too bad so could maybe pick it up
Donegal spy
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/donegal-spy-is-revealed-as-close-friend-of-mcguinness-30601800.html
Quote from: bcarrier on September 20, 2014, 08:35:34 AM
Donegal spy
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/donegal-spy-is-revealed-as-close-friend-of-mcguinness-30601800.html
QuoteAs the spying controversy continued in the run-up to tomorrow's All-Ireland final, there were counter-allegations last night from the Donegal camp that unknown people were recording their training sessions before speeding off when challenged.
This is a wonderful sport.
I predict Donegal will go even more defensive for this.
It will be low scoring.
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Don't understand "experts" in todays papers going for a Kerry win.
Donegal will have this game wrapped up by 4:30 tomorrow. They will stifle kerry inside forwards and thus kill their main scoring threats. I can see Donegal killing that kerry fb line with high balls. Donegal by a comfortable 5, after a tight and niggley first half. Hope both teams try and remain disciplined!
I see most of the papers going for a Kerry win tomorrow.
Some people never learn..............
Donegal 1-14
Kerry 0-12
It's Comortas peile na Gaeltachta/Gaeltarta tomorrow.
Bomaite vs Caid
Bomaite to win
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 20, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
I see most of the papers going for a Kerry win tomorrow.
Some people never learn..............
Yeah because Kerry hardly ever win all Irelands.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
;D
Quote from: larryin89 on September 20, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 20, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
I see most of the papers going for a Kerry win tomorrow.
Some people never learn..............
Yeah because Kerry hardly ever win all Irelands.
For the last 4 they had the mental advantage over their opponents but they won't tomorrow.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Long over it but no harm in keeping in mind the vital role Reilly played in bailing out the Kingdom when they were in trouble in the first period of extra time. Anyway I think we saw the two best teams in action in those two games. Kerry have too much in the locker for Donegal especially around midfield where I expect Moran to dominate.
Donegal to win and I suspect it may be a lot more comfortable than many are predicting. If Kerry aren't ahead with 20 minutes to go the game is effectively over. May the best team win but I'd like it to be Donegal.
Kerry might have used up their luck by this stage getting to the final this year a few years ahead of schedule.
I like Jim McGuinness every time i hear him speak, must be brilliant to play for.
Donegal 2-14
Kerry 1-12
It'll be a particularly hard watch for me seeing a team that we ran over last year(granted Dongeal are different animal this year) or a team that the game was over if had closed it out, lift Sam. :(
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Long over it but no harm in keeping in mind the vital role Reilly played in bailing out the Kingdom when they were in trouble in the first period of extra time. Anyway I think we saw the two best teams in action in those two games. Kerry have too much in the locker for Donegal especially around midfield where I expect Moran to dominate.
Midfield will be crucial, if Moran & Co can dominate the way they did against mayo, Kerry will win. I'm not sure they will though, I expect Gallagher and macniallas to edge it, Donegal to win more breaks and donegal to win their 3rd all Ireland
I'm leaning towards Donegal myself. I can't see Kerry racking up as high a score as they did against us even if they do win midfield. I think Donegal will win by 6 or 7.
I fancy kerry to steamroll Donegal.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 20, 2014, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Long over it but no harm in keeping in mind the vital role Reilly played in bailing out the Kingdom when they were in trouble in the first period of extra time. Anyway I think we saw the two best teams in action in those two games. Kerry have too much in the locker for Donegal especially around midfield where I expect Moran to dominate.
Midfield will be crucial, if Moran & Co can dominate the way they did against mayo, Kerry will win. I'm not sure they will though, I expect Gallagher and macniallas to edge it, Donegal to win more breaks and donegal to win their 3rd all Ireland
Moran is head and shoulders the best midfielder on the two teams at the moment, though. His delivery has been of a level you rarely ever see, I remember him being a stand-out at minor and you're almost rooting for him regardless of Kerry because it's become one hell of a comeback story at this stage.
MacNiallas is a bit of a HF conversion and for all his good stuff I don't know if battling it out in the middle would be playing to his strengths. Lots of the balls he's got in the middle this year have been where he's broken away from his man and won cheap uncontested ball, I'd doubt Kerry will be as naive as some other teams have been. Aerially anyways Maher and Buckley would be more imposing. I think Donegal have a worse midfield than Mayo (who man-for-man have the best midfield in the country so it's no slight) so the challenge being presented to Moran isn't really increasing.
He was so dominant in the two Mayo games that you're tempted to assume it was some anomaly or match-up failure on Mayo's part but, yeah, it probably will come down to who wins the middle and gets the better ball to the Murphys and JO'Ds of both teams.
Both teams play quite defensively so both teams might end up leaving unmarked backs as outlets for short kick-outs for the opposition..
Interesting videos
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-on-kerry-we-re-fighting-the-elements-as-well-as-everyone-else-1.1931851
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-hills-are-alive-donegal-prepares-for-the-all-ireland-final-1.1928569
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 04:31:40 PM
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Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Long over it but no harm in keeping in mind the vital role Reilly played in bailing out the Kingdom when they were in trouble in the first period of extra time. Anyway I think we saw the two best teams in action in those two games. Kerry have too much in the locker for Donegal especially around midfield where I expect Moran to dominate.
Midfield will be crucial, if Moran & Co can dominate the way they did against mayo, Kerry will win. I'm not sure they will though, I expect Gallagher and macniallas to edge it, Donegal to win more breaks and donegal to win their 3rd all Ireland
Moran is head and shoulders the best midfielder on the two teams at the moment, though. His delivery has been of a level you rarely ever see, I remember him being a stand-out at minor and you're almost rooting for him regardless of Kerry because it's become one hell of a comeback story at this stage.
MacNiallas is a bit of a HF conversion and for all his good stuff I don't know if battling it out in the middle would be playing to his strengths. Lots of the balls he's got in the middle this year have been where he's broken away from his man and won cheap uncontested ball, I'd doubt Kerry will be as naive as some other teams have been. Aerially anyways Maher and Buckley would be more imposing. I think Donegal have a worse midfield than Mayo (who man-for-man have the best midfield in the country so it's no slight) so the challenge being presented to Moran isn't really increasing.
He was so dominant in the two Mayo games that you're tempted to assume it was some anomaly or match-up failure on Mayo's part but, yeah, it probably will come down to who wins the middle and gets the better ball to the Murphys and JO'Ds of both teams.
Both teams play quite defensively so both teams might end up leaving unmarked backs as outlets for short kick-outs for the opposition..
Big Neil Gallagher is I think the pick of the midfielders on show tomorrow based on consistency of performance & is up there with the best midfield operators at the moment. His fielding & distribution are first class & he also sweeps very well.
However I don't think this game will be decided by individuals, good and all as they may be. My own feeling is that it is the team that puts it's manager's plan into action best is the team that will win out in the end.
The ability to, as Kipling put it, "Keep you head while all about you are losing theirs" will be the deciding factor & to that end I am giving Donegal a hesitant vote. The have the miles behind them & while this is, without doubt, a great Kerry team in the making I am hoping that it will be a case of the old dog for the hard road.
Finally got the tickets - one in the bloody Davin and one in Hogan! First world problems - disappointed with getting AI final tickets.
Just got the tickets. Taking the football mad cub to his first all Ireland final. Precious.
For the last time this year I might as well keep backing McFadden to come good and hopefully make the difference. ...when it really matters ;D
Midfielder is where it will be won and lost.
Gallagher is a very influential player but this year's version of Moran is so amazingly consistent that I think think this can be decisive. However, often when two in form high profile midfielders come up against against each other like this, they can be outshone by the other two. Think Colm Cavanagh and Seamus O'Sé in last year's semi-final. It is hard to see Moran's game dipping that much though.
I was impressed with Kerry in their games with us. They fight for everything, before the ref has taken the field, long after the whistle is gone. A lot of it is annoying, but the message is crystal clear. They will fight to the death and you know you are in a game.
Donegal's defeat of Dublin has changed everyone's opinion of them. But I think it might be over-estimated.
Kerry for me.
A lot of sour Mayo fans still posting here for some reason. Either Donegal or Dublin would have massacred you in the final.
While Kerry have a fantastic midfield- I'd say McGuinness will flood men into that area a la Tyrone and negate the Kerry adv
It might be a cagey soccer style game with men behind the ball and fast raiding counter attacks
If they cope without the underdog tag and guard against complacency - I'd tip Donegal to shade it maybe after a replay!
I hope it is a draw!
But I predicted Dublin to hammer mayo in the final so I'm way off this season with my predictions!
Looking forward to it !
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 20, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
A lot of sour Mayo fans still posting here for some reason. Either Donegal or Dublin would have massacred you in the final.
Chill man there is little or no bitter comment from the Mayo Posters. A slight dig here and there, but nothing to upsetting! We are all big boys here and can call it as it is. If you want us to hide behind some makey up analysis and tell lies, sure what good would that be to the forum? And you are probably right, both Donegal and Dublin would probably have bet us if we made the final!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 20, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
A lot of sour Mayo fans still posting here for some reason. Either Donegal or Dublin would have massacred you in the final.
I posted giving my opinion on how I think the game is going to pan out. Bhfuil tú sásta leis sin?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 20, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
A lot of sour Mayo fans still posting here for some reason. Either Donegal or Dublin would have massacred you in the final.
When was the last time anyone massacred us? In fact there have been very few 'massacres' between the top teams in recent years and if anything we are more likely to be a giver rather than a receiver these days. If we had got out of Limerick, who knows how things would have gone. But it is mere conjecture now.
the wifes holiday fund has been stuck on the draw 15/2, biting the nails alreay.
I'd like Donegal to win but I think this is another easy sam for Kerry. they did their duty and put the losers mayo out of it so I think they'll take Donegal handy enough. but for Armagh's goalkeeper's kickouts Donegal were gone. I wanted to see Dublin v Kerry in the final. it would have been very open and high scoring. a kingdom win this year only drives home the notion that an open draw is in the pipeline.
play the championship as is but starting with 4 groups of eight. (with back door) as your knocked out you enter your provincial championship which could be drawn after the quarter finals of the all Ireland series allowing for some games to be played in tandem with the race for sam. the provincial finals could be played after the all Ireland final which could be a little earlier. so this year connaght and leinster finals would be over.. ulster and munster would be at least semi final stage waiting on Kerry or Donegal.
Quote from: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 11:29:54 PM
the wifes holiday fund has been stuck on the draw 15/2, biting the nails alreay.
Where was she heading?
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 20, 2014, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Kerry should win handily enough - 6/7+. Dubs should have put Donegal away in first 20 mins and had they taken their chances there would have been no Donegal comeback.
This is a far better Kerry team than even I had given them credit and even though they had Reilly in Limerick to help them they were impressive in both games. They have players with ability to vary the game and are far less predictable than the Dubs. If Kerry take their chances this game could be over with 15 mins to go and the Gooch may even appear for a few mins.
Kerry beat ye fair and square. Mayo had chances to win it and bottled it.
Get over it.
Long over it but no harm in keeping in mind the vital role Reilly played in bailing out the Kingdom when they were in trouble in the first period of extra time. Anyway I think we saw the two best teams in action in those two games. Kerry have too much in the locker for Donegal especially around midfield where I expect Moran to dominate.
Midfield will be crucial, if Moran & Co can dominate the way they did against mayo, Kerry will win. I'm not sure they will though, I expect Gallagher and macniallas to edge it, Donegal to win more breaks and donegal to win their 3rd all Ireland
Moran is head and shoulders the best midfielder on the two teams at the moment, though. His delivery has been of a level you rarely ever see, I remember him being a stand-out at minor and you're almost rooting for him regardless of Kerry because it's become one hell of a comeback story at this stage.
MacNiallas is a bit of a HF conversion and for all his good stuff I don't know if battling it out in the middle would be playing to his strengths. Lots of the balls he's got in the middle this year have been where he's broken away from his man and won cheap uncontested ball, I'd doubt Kerry will be as naive as some other teams have been. Aerially anyways Maher and Buckley would be more imposing. I think Donegal have a worse midfield than Mayo (who man-for-man have the best midfield in the country so it's no slight) so the challenge being presented to Moran isn't really increasing.
He was so dominant in the two Mayo games that you're tempted to assume it was some anomaly or match-up failure on Mayo's part but, yeah, it probably will come down to who wins the middle and gets the better ball to the Murphys and JO'Ds of both teams.
Both teams play quite defensively so both teams might end up leaving unmarked backs as outlets for short kick-outs for the opposition..
As evidenced by the fact Moran and Maher completely cleaned them out over the course of 2 games??
Hope Cormac Reilly chokes on his cornflakes tomorrow
Brendan Devenney was on RTE radio today. He said that Kerry will have to go out and keep it tight from the start to save Donegsl from pulling away early in and building up a lead cos if Donegal get a few points us, Kerry will struggle. Which is all fair and well but part of me sees Donegal as underestimating the Kerry challenge. After beating Dublin, Donegal are entitled to be favourites and could choke Kerry. But Kerry will be well prepared. I'm hoping for a good final and don't mind who wins. Kerry with a load of wins won't mind Donegal winning this one.
Quote from: orangeman on September 21, 2014, 01:35:49 AM
Brendan Devenney was on RTE radio today. He said that Kerry will have to go out and keep it tight from the start to save Donegsl from pulling away early in and building up a lead cos if Donegal get a few points us, Kerry will struggle. Which is all fair and well but part of me sees Donegal as underestimating the Kerry challenge. After beating Dublin, Donegal are entitled to be favourites and could choke Kerry. But Kerry will be well prepared. I'm hoping for a good final and don't mind who wins. Kerry with a load of wins won't mind Donegal winning this one.
With the level of preparation that goes into this Donegal set up, I just can't see them going into this game with any sort of complacency. They will be as prepared for Kerry as they were for Dublin and I just can't see how Kerry can win this game. They have been mightily impressive in how they have improved this year but their main strengths are strengths which Donegal can cope with. Jim will never allow the midfield dominance they experienced against Mayo and the role Donaghy plays is meat and drink to that Donegal defence. The only danger I see is O'Donoghue who I believe is as good as we've seen in years but like any player he can't do a huge lot which smothered up and starved of possession. If he's held to 2 or 3 from play then it's job done. Other than that the match ups favour Donegal and I can see Murphy spending a bit more time at full forward than the last day - if he does I just don't see how Kerry stop him, especially if they leave O'Mahoney back there, who is 3 or 4 years past his best. I hope it's a great game and Kerry have shown impressive fighting qualities this year but it's Donegal by 5 or more for me.
By the way, whoever said Mayo have the best midfield in the country, man for man, would need to go and lie down.
Safe travel to all. Heres to a great day and may the best Ulster team win...
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Quote from: orangeman on September 21, 2014, 01:35:49 AM
Brendan Devenney was on RTE radio today. He said that Kerry will have to go out and keep it tight from the start to save Donegsl from pulling away early in and building up a lead cos if Donegal get a few points us, Kerry will struggle. Which is all fair and well but part of me sees Donegal as underestimating the Kerry challenge. After beating Dublin, Donegal are entitled to be favourites and could choke Kerry. But Kerry will be well prepared. I'm hoping for a good final and don't mind who wins. Kerry with a load of wins won't mind Donegal winning this one.
With the level of preparation that goes into this Donegal set up, I just can't see them going into this game with any sort of complacency. They will be as prepared for Kerry as they were for Dublin and I just can't see how Kerry can win this game. They have been mightily impressive in how they have improved this year but their main strengths are strengths which Donegal can cope with. Jim will never allow the midfield dominance they experienced against Mayo and the role Donaghy plays is meat and drink to that Donegal defence. The only danger I see is O'Donoghue who I believe is as good as we've seen in years but like any player he can't do a huge lot which smothered up and starved of possession. If he's held to 2 or 3 from play then it's job done. Other than that the match ups favour Donegal and I can see Murphy spending a bit more time at full forward than the last day - if he does I just don't see how Kerry stop him, especially if they leave O'Mahoney back there, who is 3 or 4 years past his best. I hope it's a great game and Kerry have shown impressive fighting qualities this year but it's Donegal by 5 or more for me.
By the way, whoever said Mayo have the best midfield in the country, man for man, would need to go and lie down.
It was a Rossie.
Mayo's midfield was excellent a year ago but lost their way somewhat this year. Particularly against Kerry.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 21, 2014, 01:35:49 AM
Brendan Devenney was on RTE radio today. He said that Kerry will have to go out and keep it tight from the start to save Donegsl from pulling away early in and building up a lead cos if Donegal get a few points us, Kerry will struggle. Which is all fair and well but part of me sees Donegal as underestimating the Kerry challenge. After beating Dublin, Donegal are entitled to be favourites and could choke Kerry. But Kerry will be well prepared. I'm hoping for a good final and don't mind who wins. Kerry with a load of wins won't mind Donegal winning this one.
With the level of preparation that goes into this Donegal set up, I just can't see them going into this game with any sort of complacency. They will be as prepared for Kerry as they were for Dublin and I just can't see how Kerry can win this game. They have been mightily impressive in how they have improved this year but their main strengths are strengths which Donegal can cope with. Jim will never allow the midfield dominance they experienced against Mayo and the role Donaghy plays is meat and drink to that Donegal defence. The only danger I see is O'Donoghue who I believe is as good as we've seen in years but like any player he can't do a huge lot which smothered up and starved of possession. If he's held to 2 or 3 from play then it's job done. Other than that the match ups favour Donegal and I can see Murphy spending a bit more time at full forward than the last day - if he does I just don't see how Kerry stop him, especially if they leave O'Mahoney back there, who is 3 or 4 years past his best. I hope it's a great game and Kerry have shown impressive fighting qualities this year but it's Donegal by 5 or more for me.
By the way, whoever said Mayo have the best midfield in the country, man for man, would need to go and lie down.
It was a Rossie.
Mayo's midfield was excellent a year ago but lost their way somewhat this year. Particularly against Kerry.
In two games where David Moran played at a level he never had before. Any team that has Tom Parsons as the fifth choice midfielder has incredible depth at the position. Other teams have one AI-class midfielder and a decent partner at the very best. Mayo have much more than that and it was the biggest scandal of the Kerry games that they were beaten so comprehensively at the
position by a single player.
Very interested to see if Moran can scale those heights again, he wasn't even considered a starter until Bryan Sheehan injured himself against Galway in the AIQF.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2014, 09:56:50 AM
In two games where David Moran played at a level he never had before. Any team that has Tom Parsons as the fifth choice midfielder has incredible depth at the position. Other teams have one AI-class midfielder and a decent partner at the very best. Mayo have much more than that and it was the biggest scandal of the Kerry games that they were beaten so comprehensively at the
position by a single player.
Very interested to see if Moran can scale those heights again, he wasn't even considered a starter until Bryan Sheehan injured himself against Galway in the AIQF.
So Moran's performance was some sort of fluke? Only through a miracle can Mayo possible be beaten at midfield?
Cop yourself on. MacAuley completely outplayed Aidan O'Shea in last years final.
There's talk that Declan Bogue has already chained himself to a front row seat at the press room.
I'm taking the 8/1 for the draw, Croke needs the money after the Garth Brooks debacle
Just 18 pages? had it been Mayo v Tyrone we be around 150 by now lol. On another note is this game on BBC2 i dont see it on the listing, its be a bad show a ulster team in the final and not on northern TV
Been wrong with all my predictions this year. Going for Kerry for this one so.
Hard to call. I have a slight fancy for Donegal but i couldnt bring myself to back them due to my fear of the Kerry bench.Im hoping for the ref to let the game and the hits flow.
On paper, Donegal best team for me. I think they very confident though and Kerry could easily exploit that. So Kerry to win their first since 2009.
Donegal are capable of humiliating Kerry. If they do it will take a heart of stone not to laugh.
Why?
for me Donegal with Colm McFadden m.o.m.
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Why is Martin Carney co-commentator? Is there not a neutral competent co commentator? :-\
Party Political Broadcast by Spillane at the moment. Looks like he is going to burst! :P
McHugh and Spillane both v confident
Christ Spillane spouting some sh**e now. Kerry coming in "under the radar"!!!
Michael D must have been glad to meet Marty Duffy, at least he could look him in the eye without a crick in his neck.
Some start for Kerry nightmare for Donegal.
Kerry 1-1 Donegal 0-1 @ 10 mins
Nice dive by Donaghy - you can forget about him as a man!
I got a horrible feeling just before the match in 2003 that it wasn't going to be Armagh's day. I got the same feeling today about Donegal.
Soft free for Donaghy there!
Not to be labouring but there was why McGee is labelled as limited!!
Kick the ball ffs Donegal.
Kinsellas a very poor ref giving frees for nothing.If this game stays tight it will boil down to Kinsellas
balancing act with soft frees.
Donegal looking as limited as they did for the first 20 minutes against Dublin. So it's all in the balance yet!
Never a free there for McHugh
G that Ref sore on Kerry the day, some of the tackles arent fouls, and if they are, the 2 man tackle on Donaghy was def a foul
Quote from: rossiewanderer on September 21, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
Kinsellas a very poor ref giving frees for nothing.If this game stays tight it will boil down to Kinsellas
balancing act with soft frees.
Ref is a joke. Giving donegal frees for nothing. Donegal forwards running straight into kerry players to try and draw frees. Ref should be giving frees against donegal players for charging.
Donaghy should have had a free for the high ball in. Just because he's big doesn't mean different rules apply!!
PS. Horrible game as expected!
Poor enough game so far.
How is that not a 45???
This looks like to go down as the worst final since the Kerry massacre of Mayo in 2004, poor crap
How the hell was that not a '50?!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
How is that not a 45???
Really bad miss by Umpire! Right beside it too!
G that miss was brutal, it was harder to score a point than a goal
There 3 or 4 men i took off before than young lad, at least he was showing
bad wides, bad passes, bad kick outs and bad catche, mistakes all all the field
29 minutes and donegal finally score from play. Rubbish game so far. Took a midfielder to score. Kerry should be pulling away but not taking their chances
Kerry missing too many chances, will regret those around 5 this evening. Fancying Donegal more as the game goes on.
Four scores in 32 minutes is a miserable effort for a team on top all over the field.
Raidio na Gaeltarta have an Ultach and a fella from Corca Dhuibhne (is it O se or O cinneide? ) doing the commentary. Class.
Bomaites all over the place. Buailte go h-ard agus buailte go cruinn
http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=17%3A%2D2%3A1737%3A21%2D09%2D2014%3A
Comhscor
I think Donegal could get well the method going and strangle Kerry in the second half.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVRhRzE_AkQ
It's muck so far.
Donegal have recovered well from nightmare start all to play for in second half.
Tactically it's fascinating as some are fond of saying. As a football match however it's not very good. So far at least.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
bad wides, bad passes, bad kick outs and bad catche, mistakes all all the field
Adds up to bad football and bad match.
Would think Kerry forwards will take chances at some stage and go on to win.
Lots of mistakes but great intensity all the same
Going to script so far although Kerry should be ahead by more but for stupid fouling.
Second half is going to come down to Donegal grinding it out because they're more used to playing this way or Kerrys superior footballers finding a way to get ahead and stay there. I'm still sticking with Kerry though.
150 handpasses before half time even reached. Donegal level despite strugling and none of their forwards scoring from play. Kerry running out of ideas once thet get to the donegal 45m line. Should tell O'Donghue jsut to stand beside Donaghy. Any time they hit Donaghy he has won the ball, just needs someone in support to lay off the ball.
James O'Donoghue not doing that well so far
Hell leicester has scored as much as they teams have in the 1st half, in a soccer match the day!
What's this... Kerry playing 'puke football'! So much for the 'purists'!
Come on Donegal!
Intriguing tactical battle,Obviously the game is not a great spectacle as a result but very engaging,both teams will do anything to win.
Kinsellas balanceometer is leaning towards Donegal.Umpires on hill are asleep or thinking of the free dinner after the match. One min injury time given yet not played, 35 on the clock ,and Kinsella rambled around chattin to lads for over a min and promptly blew up when play recommenced.Bizarre.
Kerry playing Donegal at their own game, to a large extent. But Donegal know this game better than anyone and will win as a consequence.
Poor enough game. Kerry very cynical & ref out of his depth.
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on September 21, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
What's this... Kerry playing 'puke football'! So much for the 'purists'!
Come on Donegal!
sssssssssssshhh! Kerry play a pure traditional game. :P
Quote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2014, 04:17:09 PM
Kerry playing Donegal at their own game, to a large extent. But Donegal know this game better than anyone and will win as a consequence.
Agree. Donegal have far more runners and will break that wall soon.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on September 21, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
What's this... Kerry playing 'puke football'! So much for the 'purists'!
Come on Donegal!
sssssssssssshhh! Kerry play a pure traditional game. :P
Who's been saying that??
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on September 21, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
What's this... Kerry playing 'puke football'! So much for the 'purists'!
Come on Donegal!
sssssssssssshhh! Kerry play a pure traditional game. :P
Who's been saying that??
Donaghy has been saying it in interviews all week!
Another terrible spectacle. Christ if this is the future of the game - it won't last long
Theres probably a bigger threat of a goal from Kerry unless Donegal keep Murphy on thr edge of the square
That's a f**king penalty!!
Seart pointe do dun na nGall tareis 2 bomaite
This ref is a disaster,
What a score from Murphy!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 21, 2014, 04:28:08 PM
What a score from Murphy!!
And a dinger from the other Murphy!
Buckley should have got a yellow and a free to Donegal. Kinsella is clueless, Kerry getting their spin of the Kinsella balanceometer now
That there by Maher was no free, u could see the hold up right in front of the camera there
If MacNellis had seen Thompson there was a goal for Donegal!!
We all love the dubs hate fest but f**k at least you could watch them
Can the ref be replaced. Kinsella will decide who wins this.
Poor quality so far, whoever brings Sam home won't give a damn though, money on Donegal at this stage.
Enough, i think i go out to cut the grass, the ref the worst performer on the field
First 10 minutes of 2nd half has been even worse. Very poor fare.
Quote from: balladmaker on September 21, 2014, 04:32:47 PM
Poor quality so far, whoever brings Sam home won't give a damn though, money on Donegal at this stage.
Basic execution of skills is awful
Thank f**k I didn't pay money to watch this dross! Donaghy could take the Donegal defence up for harassment charges!
Worse than 03?
McBrearty to come on and win it for donegal
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 21, 2014, 04:32:47 PM
Poor quality so far, whoever brings Sam home won't give a damn though, money on Donegal at this stage.
Basic execution of skills is awful
Decision making by both teams in attack is woeful so far.
Goal coming for Donegal
Just shows when Ryan MC Hugh is actually marked he's quite average
the 2004 whitewash was the worst i remember, this has already surpassed that, at least one team could score that day
1-4 to 7.
Two thirds of the match gone.
Ref is consistent anyway. Still giving kerry nothing. Shooting from both sides is awful. Spend all their time working on defending it would seem and didn't practice shooting. At this stage if one side gets 2 points in front that could be the game. Please god don't finish in a replay.
The concept of skill being executed here.
how many points from play have been scored in this shitfest?
Pure tripe
Bad bad bad.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 04:37:15 PM
the 2004 whitewash was the worst i remember, this has already surpassed that, at least one team could score that day
I know Mayo scored 2-9 that day with some exhibition points from Ciaran McDonald ;)
Black card offence there
This is worse than puke. Could we neutrals handle a replay of this?
That should be it.
Thank f**k for that, Donegal will have to come out and play now
What an error!
A game like this was always likely to be decided by a horrible mistake.
Donegal will have to take some risks now .
Pure dung so far. Hope this goal livens things up for the last 20 mins
no point kicking aball into Donaghy with gallagher in front of him and McGee behind him
Fair play McBrearty two great scores.
Donegal have to come out to play now.donegal to win if they can nick a goal at some point
2 points in it now. Kerry probably have better subs but Donegal are relentless if they get going.
Intriguing I think is the new word for it
Some response by Donegal - getting interesting at last!
Why do this gang only play football when they have to?
Brilliant point Johnny Buckley.
cause there manager doesnt allow them to play football, its all his big plan to wear teams down.
Last 5 mins have been more like it!
Colin Cooper from no.11 would have made a big different for kerry here today, have kerry brought on the sub who scored 2 great points against Mayo yet
Paul Durcan won't want to watch this game back again.
Durkin's head seems to be gone after that mistake. His kick outs have been brutal the past few minutes.
Kinsella firmly in the Kerry camp now.Donegal kickouts a disaster but they will have to get a goal very soon
Is the pitch slippy lots of lads falling
Walter Walsh is playing well for Kerry
hes poor the day but without Durcan they wouldnt even be in the final the day, thought to be honest i wish the Dubs had made it to the final. Donaghy is getting fouled all the time.
Did I just see the ref bring a line ball forward and into the middle of the field?
Jaysus Kerry's shooting is Mayoesque
The "line ball" was a free, had it been a line ball it would be the other way.
Who is going to get player of the year ?
A shite game between 2 poor teams on todays evidence, i think Kerry slight deserve it, but Donegal only have themselves to blame as they have far better players that this current kerry team.
Donegal need a goal
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2014, 04:53:26 PM
Jaysus Kerry's shooting is Mayoesque
Their cynical play and puke football is Tymoan all the way!! 8)
Free for cork according to the bould Ger
Player of the year? to be honest i go with Connolly, doesnt have to go to a team which makes the final all the time does it?
Kerry will enjoy this one. Never expected it.
buckley man of the match I think. Never rated him for the big game but he delivered today
Kerry have deserved it!!
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2014, 04:55:13 PM
Who is going to get player of the year ?
James O' Donoughue probably but it would be Connolly for me.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 04:57:45 PM
Player of the year? to be honest i go with Connolly, doesnt have to go to a team which makes the final all the time does it?
Donaghy has won the SF and final for kerry
Jaysus Donegal nearly forced it into the net right at the death.
Final decided on a goalkeeping error probably the worst Kerry side to win All Ireland since 1997 but they will hardly care tonight.
No.37 will be instantly forgot from a football point of view, only good thing to come out of today the Kerry legend Marc O`Se pick up all-ireland no.5 does that level him with Big Dara
Delighted for Kerry
Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 04:57:45 PM
Player of the year? to be honest i go with Connolly, doesnt have to go to a team which makes the final all the time does it?
Donaghy has won the SF and final for kerry
Yep
Donaghy Hugs the Ref and the linesmen! ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
Jaysus Donegal nearly forced it into the net right at the death.
Looked to me like the Kerry man picked straight off the ground which would be a penalty or would it be a 13m free? Well done Kerry hard luck Donegal. Kerry just about shaded it overall in fairness.
Well done to kerry they can play it any way. referee was utterly appalling
Well done kerry.
BJK is a dope
Fair play to Kerry. I thought Donegal would be better than that but the AIF is a tough place to be found out.
O Cinneide on Rnag saying nobody in Kerry outside the panel believed it would be possible to win Sam this year.
"Is mioruid e seo. Foighne thar aon rud eile."
Fair play Kerry. Just couldn't see them winning this before the game but they have battled out another great result. Keeping possession round midfield in the last few minutes was brutal to watch but made Donegals defensive set up look very silly as they were unopposed as they threw the ball around to run down the clock. The ref must have been told at half time to even up his soft free count to Kerry in the second half. Worst final in a while - hope Pat has the balls to call it as it is tonight - puke football at its best.
Quote from: JP on September 21, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
They play football. Donegal didn't show any conviction like they did against Dublin.
They reverted to puke and got beaten by puke.
There is a lesson in that.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 21, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
Final decided on a goalkeeping error probably the worst Kerry side to win All Ireland since 1997 but they will hardly care tonight.
Bullshit!! They won an All Ireland in which many people had said the greatest team ever were competing! Donegal going for 2 out of 3. They're plenty good and just because tactics have changed so much doesn't mean this team are any less than the others!!
Puke football at its worst by Kerry. A dirty, cynical team.
Childish from Donaghy, would have thought he'd have more to think about after winning the AI than joe brolly
Quote from: JP on September 21, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
Few football people ever believed the myth. Only guillible media.
We would have easily beaten Donegal - sickening
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: JP on September 21, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
They play football. Donegal didn't show any conviction like they did against Dublin.
They reverted to puke and got beaten by puke.
There is a lesson in that.
Bit of contradiction there.
At least we can look back on 3 great semi-finals, but that was dire.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: JP on September 21, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
Few football people ever believed the myth. Only guillible media.
We would have easily beaten Donegal - sickening
Probably true, 5 up with 5 to play though, we only have ourselves to blame
Well done Kerry; you won the worst AI final in memory in the most unsporting fashion possible!
The media will report it otherwise... but it has to be said!
Well done on your puke football, your cynicism and unsporting behaviour!
How could anyone delight in any of that other than Kerry fans
I would say over all the starting 15 Donegal would have more better players than Kerry but Kerry old hands of the bench are stronger than donegal. As Brolly said, Donegal on the receiving end of their own medicine and good to see to be honest, but i feel theres more football in them if they manager would let them play. McHugh and McFadden were very poor for Donegal. Dublin still the best team in the country, a hiccup in the semi doesn't change that
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 21, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
Puke football at its worst by Kerry. A dirty, cynical team.
Following many similar Kerry teams. At least we should get a break from the "purist natural footballers" guff!!
It's ironic, isn't it, that nobody has ever accused Donegal of 'playing the right way', yet the team that beats them is the one that gets picked on for pukery.
At least the hurling is on again next week. I hate that bit following the end of the AIF when real life resumes with the news of the day and the season is over and there is nothing to look forward to until the league.
Well done Kerry. Just about deserved it, even if the Durkan mistake was the key moment. Last five minutes of possession was impressive. Great performance from Fitzmaurice!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 21, 2014, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
Jaysus Donegal nearly forced it into the net right at the death.
Looked to me like the Kerry man picked straight off the ground which would be a penalty or would it be a 13m free? Well done Kerry hard luck Donegal. Kerry just about shaded it overall in fairness.
Looked dodgy, but after watcching the replay and there was nothing wrong with it. Awful game. If that had gone to replay there would have been tears all around the country for having to watch another 70 mins of that shi*e. About 400 hand passes during the game. Jimmy has the players so robotically programmed they can only play one way. Can't think for themselves to change it on the pitch.
Typical of this game on that it was a mistake was the difference. Two defensive teams, but Kerry had the better footballers. Poor Kerry finishing was the only reason was so close at the end.
Best team won, wasn't the best game of football, but Kerry had their homework done and adapted their game to suit Donegals. Feel for the Donegal keeper as his mistake ultimately cost them the game. Most mistakes further out the field go unpunished.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 21, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
Puke football at its worst by Kerry. A dirty, cynical team.
Following many similar Kerry teams. At least we should get a break from the "purist natural footballers" guff!!
They played what was in front of them. It was horrid but better be horrid and win than naive and lose.
If Donegal had backed themselves they would have won that game. Played with fear in my opinion - call it tactical if you want but they should have had the confidence to go for Kerry's throat
I think Kerry proved to day if u want to play puke football they can now match it and beat you, if you want to go out and play football, they play accordingly and beat you at that too. They be alot stronger next year with Spillane of the minors, Tommy Walsh back and cooper back from injury.
An poc ar buile! Mighty!
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
It's ironic, isn't it, that nobody has ever accused Donegal of 'playing the right way', yet the team that beats them is the one that gets picked on for pukery.
On the money with that observation
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 21, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
Final decided on a goalkeeping error probably the worst Kerry side to win All Ireland since 1997 but they will hardly care tonight.
Bullshit!! They won an All Ireland in which many people had said the greatest team ever were competing! Donegal going for 2 out of 3. They're plenty good and just because tactics have changed so much doesn't mean this team are any less than the others!!
Disagree. I said when Donegal played Armagh that Donegal were not at the level of 2012 beating Dublin who were wide open in defence didn't change my opinion. It's a bad year football with so few good games fair play Kerry the best of average lot.
I'm a neutral - kinsella have Kerry everything and donegal very little!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 05:15:01 PM
I think Kerry proved to day if u want to play puke football they can now match it and beat you, if you want to go out and play football, they play accordingly and beat you at that too. They be alot stronger next year with Spillane of the minors, Tommy Walsh back and cooper back from injury.
Is Spillane that good?? Haven't seen anything so far to show that he's as good as the hype around him
WT4E your neutral? seriosuly the ref gave Kerry very little, you not watch the first half?
Every team needs a specialised coach to analyze referees and to devise tactics to engineer frees through simulation. Unfortunately it has become an artform.
No questioning of the kerrymans manhood on RTE for dirty unsporting action of kicking the ball away from in front of the keeper!
If this is being purist yis can keep it!
Come on RTE man up and report it how it was; cynicism of the highest order!
Probably the last time we will see Marc O'Shea and Declan O' Sullivan who are two of the best I have watched. Despite all the young talent plus Tommy Walsh they will leave a big whole in that squad.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 05:18:58 PM
WT4E your neutral? seriosuly the ref gave Kerry very little, you not watch the first half?
Yeah I'm from tyrone - just the way I saw it I'll watch the highlights tonight and get back to u!
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on September 21, 2014, 05:20:47 PM
Come on RTE man up and report it how it was; cynicism of the highest order!
Change the record, ffs.
Quote from: WT4E on September 21, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
I'm a neutral - kinsella have Kerry everything and donegal very little!
Free count in the first half was 10-1 in Donegal's favour!!!!
Jim Gavin could learn alot from Fitzmaurice today. Realised Dublin's approach of attacking football played into Donegal's hands. Dropped off like Donegal and played them at their own game. Donegal simply not good enough. With Michael Murphy struggling they had no one else to step up in the forwards. Be tough for Donegal next year. That style of play and intensity is very hard to maintain 2 years in a row. Tyrone were never able to do it in their prime and they were a better team
Marc is class tbf, best of the o'se brothers imo
Kerry will have the two cups in Tralee tomorrow night. Only Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have won minors & seniors in the same year.
well done Kerry,deserving all ireland winners
The reality is big Donaghy and O`Sullivan are done, Donaghy having a indian summer though. There still plenty in Mark O`Se, he go down as the best right corner back when he finishes.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 21, 2014, 05:25:16 PM
Kerry will have the two cups in Tralee tomorrow night. Only Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have won minors & seniors in the same year.
And only Kerry have won Senior, Minor and Under 21 in the same year!
The fact Tyrone got away with the cynicism fir ao long (1995) means these lads shouldn't be chastised for it.
Why do ye all hate Donaghy so much? Only for the ref having a nightmare he would have caused havoc with at least 2 penalties and the goal and 2 points he got. Plenty left in him!!
Delighted for Kerry. Well done to them.
Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Quote from: Whitnail on September 21, 2014, 05:34:43 PM
Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Fair play! A few Mayo lads could take a leaf out of your book!!
two errors were the differnce, that fumble that led to the first goal and then Durcan. Has McFadden ever been substituted, no matter how poor he plays he always seems to stay on.? Keane was a pure twat at the end.
Why has the commentators or pundits not mentioned that Kerry's first goal the player kicking it in was going for a point. Dressing it up as some masterful tactic as high ball in???
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on September 21, 2014, 05:34:43 PM
Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Fair play! A few Mayo lads could take a leaf out of your book!!
That thread is closed...stop trying to stir the pot
They have said that.
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on September 21, 2014, 05:34:43 PM
Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Fair play! A few Mayo lads could take a leaf out of your book!!
Fair play a few Derry lads could do with commenting on a game that doesn't involve Mayo without throwing a dig at us. You seem lately to be displaying all the attributes you hate about us in your posts Screen. Very disappointed as you never used to stoop to the bargain basement Mayo jibes until recently and were one of the more composed commentators on here.
Well done to Kerry. Another title no matter how it's won. But I found myself laughing out loud towards the end when Kerry upped the cynicism stakes to the max. I'd say it was the most cynical last five minutes of an All Ireland ever. Remember Canavan pulling down Cooper? Multiply that by 10.
It was a thing of beauty to see Kerry ratchet up the dark arts and fair play to them. It's 2014. Kerry often had the best footballers. Now they've merged that with the dirty hoorism in a more transparent way.
The country has couped and I like it.
G you dont remember Dublin in the final last year, you dont have to go that far back for seeing out a game
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2014, 05:53:38 PM
Well done to Kerry. Another title no matter how it's won. But I found myself laughing out loud towards the end when Kerry upped the cynicism stakes to the max. I'd say it was the most cynical last five minutes of an All Ireland ever. Remember Canavan pulling down Cooper? Multiply that by 10.
It was a thing of beauty to see Kerry ratchet up the dark arts and fair play to them. It's 2014. Kerry often had the best footballers. Now they've merged that with the dirty hoorism in a more transparent way.
The country has couped and I like it.
On your own there. Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Terrible game for entertainment, but I think Kerry have to be commended. They showed last year they could hang with dublin in an open expansive game, and today they out donegalled Donegal. Kieran mcgeeney has that famous quote from the IR series about if you want to play football, we'll play football, if you want to box, we'll box. I have no doubt Kerry would prefer to play loose and expansive, but they will do what they have to do. Today was ugly, but it was necessary.
I was screaming at the tv for Donegal to push up the field to win the ball in the last 10 minutes.
They let Kerry have too much of the ball from kickouts
I guess they were so rigidly sticking to their system that they couldn't 'go for it'
With Murphy struggling as the game wore on I think Jim left it to late to take on mcbreaety. Other than toye he was the only sub that was going to make a real impact. He really should have started. Mind games are out of control. Fair play to kerry. Did enough and got the luck with that awful kick out by durcan. Better team on the day won
They manager i think restricts their football, its ok playing to a system up to a point but theirs times where player have to take on the mantle and play their own game, how often did Murphy play on the edge of the square the day? Donegal problem is they seem unable to adjust to playing 2 different types of game, there days you need to attack from the get go and days to defend, they had a better team than Kerry and today was the day to attack, Dublin have a better team than them and the last day the defensive way won out, Horses for courses and McGuinness should know that.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 21, 2014, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Whitnail on September 21, 2014, 05:34:43 PM
Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Fair play! A few Mayo lads could take a leaf out of your book!!
Fair play a few Derry lads could do with commenting on a game that doesn't involve Mayo without throwing a dig at us. You seem lately to be displaying all the attributes you hate about us in your posts Screen. Very disappointed as you never used to stoop to the bargain basement Mayo jibes until recently and were one of the more composed commentators on here.
Not necessarily yourself but a lot of lads have lost the run of themselves this last few weeks. Somebody said earlier Mayo would have hockeyed Dublin had they got through to the final... They wouldn't have.
Anyway I'm happy enough to leave it this is the AI thread and Kerry deserve the plaudits. Talk about cynicism/negativity all you want but Kerry did what was required to win. Anybody thinking it could be won any other way is kidding themselves as witnessed by what happened in the Dublin game. Fair play Kerry!!
I can remember all-irelands back to about 1982 and this one stunk the place out, so if any can remember worst before that they are welcome to highlight them
congratulations to Kerry. The only thing that matters at the end of a final is the scoreboard.
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Well done to Kerry. Another title no matter how it's won. But I found myself laughing out loud towards the end when Kerry upped the cynicism stakes to the max. I'd say it was the most cynical last five minutes of an All Ireland ever. Remember Canavan pulling down Cooper? Multiply that by 10.
It was a thing of beauty to see Kerry ratchet up the dark arts and fair play to them. It's 2014. Kerry often had the best footballers. Now they've merged that with the dirty hoorism in a more transparent way.
The country has couped and I like it.
On your own there. Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
The lion share of blame is from Donegal. As mentioned earlier, Kerry adapted to some degree to beat Donegal using a system Donegal have honed for 4 years. If it was an open game Kerry would have played it as such. That's some achievement in itself.
For me the ref didn't favour any team, though Donaghey should have had a couple of frees in and around the box that he didn't.
Fair play to the kingdom and commiserations to the hill men.
Papa Durcan will be hurting. Chin up big guy.
On the player of the year, Connolly by a country mile.
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Well on the day I thought Kerry were the better team.
Donegal today made costly errors and Durcan had a bad day .McFadden Should have managed a goal in the final minute but it just never (for me anyway) looked like it was our day .
Dublin game took alot out of these lads & I'm looking forward to our game been modified in the future It may take time but it will happen (if the talented youngsters in the minors are anything to go by).
Hardly a classic final but absolutely no complaints here.
Fair play! A few Mayo lads could take a leaf out of your book!!
Fair play a few Derry lads could do with commenting on a game that doesn't involve Mayo without throwing a dig at us. You seem lately to be displaying all the attributes you hate about us in your posts Screen. Very disappointed as you never used to stoop to the bargain basement Mayo jibes until recently and were one of the more composed commentators on here.
Not necessarily yourself but a lot of lads have lost the run of themselves this last few weeks. Somebody said earlier Mayo would have hockeyed Dublin had they got through to the final... They wouldn't have.
Anyway I'm happy enough to leave it this is the AI thread and Kerry deserve the plaudits. Talk about cynicism/negativity all you want but Kerry did what was required to win. Anybody thinking it could be won any other way is kidding themselves as witnessed by what happened in the Dublin game. Fair play Kerry!!
Don't let them get to you screen and remember it's just the twenty or so years of frustration which is very easy to vent anonymously on an internet forum without having to face ridicule or the consequences of the real world.Apologies for being overly sensitive about the Mayo comments.
On today's game , it was a hard tough grind but this can happen in finals especially when both teams are evenly matched. Throw in the fact that both mangers prefer to counter attack from a defensive game plan so it was always going to a conservative affair. I thought Kerry shaded the midfield battle but poor shot selection and lazy tackling gave Donegal a foothold which the exploited to the max.The second half was always going to be who hold their nerve better after such a close first half. I must admit I enjoyed the second half.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
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Can we finally expel the myth that Kerry play football the right way?
Few football people ever believed the myth. Only guillible media.
We would have easily beaten Donegal - sickening
You couldn't beat Kerry. Kerry just about beat us, thanks to two errors, one of which you will probably never see again.
I do not see your logic. Fact is, your team has had three attempts at an All Ireland title now. You failed them all. "What ifs" and "would have dones" count for nothing.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Kerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
A defensive team can be very exciting to watch if they can capitalise on the counter-attack but two defensive teams rarely do as both teams have their attackers so far from goal at all times, lots of time for the other team to stroll back into positions they hardly moved out of in the first place. You have to excute attacks incredibly fast to by-pass that and neither team today did that.
Honestly it reminded me of a bad D3 league game in a lot of ways, lots of passing around between the 45s and going absolutely no where.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
Quote from: Throw ball on September 21, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
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Quote from: Throw ball on September 21, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Even after today's performance?
Very disappointed, especially for (not with!) the likes of Durcan, who has had a superb season. We just never really got going as the early goal allowed Kerry to drop off, and then, at key stages, we had periods where we lost midfield. Both keepers struggled with the kickouts, but Durcan's struggles will obviously be more remarked upon as he gifted Donaghy a goal at a vital stage and hit a few more to lone Kerry players. It was just a grindfest, and our mistakes were the difference. I'm sure the players will look upon this a game that they left behind, but I don't think they can argue that Kerry just about shaded it. When we got back to within a point after Neil McGee stuck one over, I thought we'd keep it going and maybe nick it, but fair play to Kerry, they won the next few kickouts and stuck over a couple to widen the gap again. McFadden was very unlucky not to have forced a replay at the death (would have been nice to sicken Keane!), but he had a poor match and looks just about done at this level. I would not be surprised to see the likes of Lacey join him, and perhaps McGuinness, but whoever stays or goes, these boys have done us proud!
BTW, how the f**k did the umpires miss the 45 for Donegal in the first half from O'Connor's goal chance? ;D
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
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Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Probably does but Connolly deserves it IMO. Himself and Flynn are probably the best two footballers in Ireland.
Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
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Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Even after today's performance?
I thought O'Donoghue did quite well today under the circumstances. No way was a forward going to be allowed to shine close in to goal.
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?
I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 21, 2014, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Donegal of all teams can have no complaints about gamesmanship.
I blame RTE.
I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.
All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0921/645306-donaghy-what-do-you-think-of-that-joe-brolly/
Brolly is hardly going to be honest and say it's all a pantomime dhera
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
I blame RTE.
I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.
All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.
It was a poor quality game no matter what channel it was shown on. The first 15/20 minutes of the 2nd half was truly dreadful stuff. Not that Kerry will care tonight.
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?
I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal
Again, I don't know what incident you're talking about from Dublin game. Its not even clear from your description what happened: did he carry on running with the ball after it had gone out of play?
As for McBrearty against Armagh, first, it was instinctive: the ball dropped right where he was standing. Second, I'm on record on that thread for calling his act idiotic. He was correctly punished, and his punishment nearly gifted Armagh the draw when the ball was moved closer in towards the goal, instead of it being a sideline ball.
Sorry I'll try and be clearer, this is from memory as I havent watched any replays or highlights of the game.
Near the end of the Dublin game with Dublin trying to get a goal they were awarded a free or sideline ball. With the ball out of play, a Donegal player grabbed the ball and ran off with. It was exactly the same as Keane doing what he did except it wasted more time.
Coupled with the Armagh time wasting, it's looks a little hypocritical of you to complain.
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I blame RTE.
I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.
All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.
It was a poor quality game no matter what channel it was shown on. Not that Kerry will care tonight.
You're right but few other channels seem to revel in making games sound worse than they were. I didn't see RTE's coverage today and the game was very poor but I've seen decent games on RTE slated as though they were the worst things ever when in reality there was plenty of good things to say even if the overall game wasn't a classic.
There nobody in the country that can defend that as a decent game of football, there was about 10 mins of football played in the whole 70 mins when donegal hit 3 quick points and Kerry responded with a couple late in the 2nd half. terrible shooting from both sides, took Donegal over 25mins to score from play, mistakes all over the field, G its nearly as bad as Kerry Roscommon in 1980. Say what you want about Dublin but as a neutral i would rather go to watch their games, i don't think i go out of my way to watch donegal ones.
RTÉ weren't especially critical of the game today, it wasn't easy on the eye. Sky viewers probably just don't know much about football.
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Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Even after today's performance?
I thought O'Donoghue did quite well today under the circumstances. No way was a forward going to be allowed to shine close in to goal.
Agreed I thought O'Donoghue played rightly today got on a lot of ball and used it well IMO.
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Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Even after today's performance?
I thought O'Donoghue did quite well today under the circumstances. No way was a forward going to be allowed to shine close in to goal.
Agreed I thought O'Donoghue played rightly today got on a lot of ball and used it well IMO.
I thought he did okay but he was turned over a couple of times which is a cardinal sin against Donegal. Having said that, he came out the field and foraged well, and sacrificed his scoring game to work for the team further out.
A poor All Ireland all round, shocking level for two finalists. Donegal had it in them to raise the tempo for long periods, but for some unknown reason, they only responded to Kerry goals. Will be hard for JMcG to figure out that one.
Congrats to Kerry, deserved it on the day, they won't win many handier than that one.
BJ Keane should hang his head in shame, Kerry had the All Ireland in the bag and Keane tarnished himself with that act of poor sportmanship, disgraceful and long may he be remembered for it.
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Quote from: Throw ball on September 21, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Terrible game. When teams try to mirror Donegal this can happen. Still feel if Donegal had have started McBearty and Toye they would have won. In the end the breaks went Kerry's way and they won.
As for footballer of the year. I have to go with Connolly too.
JOD has it in the bag lads- we'll be lucky to get any all-stars with the Kerry love- in in the media this week.
Even after today's performance?
I thought O'Donoghue did quite well today under the circumstances. No way was a forward going to be allowed to shine close in to goal.
Looking at it objectively JOD was outstanding against Cork, Mayo twice and was decent without being spectacular today. Today was a write off for him as Fitzmaurice was smart enough to know you're wasting your time with a pace in the full forward line against Donegal.
Cononolly was decent in most games and outstanding in one game and that won't be enough. Flynn probably had a more consistent graph of performance but probably again won't be enough.
It was an exceptionally poor year for Gaelic Football this year- semi finals aside the entertainment value was rubbish. The poorest standard of an AI since 2004 IMO. But that's why Kerry have 37 titles because they are very good in picking up titles in the shite years.
Quote from: balladmaker on September 21, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
A poor All Ireland all round, shocking level for two finalists. Donegal had it in them to raise the tempo for long periods, but for some unknown reason, they only responded to Kerry goals. Will be hard for JMcG to figure out that one.
Congrats to Kerry, deserved it on the day, they won't win many handier than that one.
BJ Keane should hang his head in shame, Kerry had the All Ireland in the bag and Keane tarnished himself with that act of poor sportmanship, disgraceful and long may he be remembered for it.
Ah come on. You make it sound like crime of the century. He didn't kick or bite or hurt anybody or fall over for nothing or pretend to be injured or any of dozens of other things you see in matches that are worse. He ran over and poked the ball off the kicking tee. Just silly and it made me burst out laughing. And he probably caused the ref to add 30 seconds more than he would have.
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Didn't McBrearty? Do it against Armagh? Kicked the ball away when it was a sideline giving Armagh the chance to level with last kick? Still doesn't compare to what that Kerry lad done today right enough
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?
I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal
Again, I don't know what incident you're talking about from Dublin game. Its not even clear from your description what happened: did he carry on running with the ball after it had gone out of play?
As for McBrearty against Armagh, first, it was instinctive: the ball dropped right where he was standing. Second, I'm on record on that thread for calling his act idiotic. He was correctly punished, and his punishment nearly gifted Armagh the draw when the ball was moved closer in towards the goal, instead of it being a sideline ball.
Sorry I'll try and be clearer, this is from memory as I havent watched any replays or highlights of the game.
Near the end of the Dublin game with Dublin trying to get a goal they were awarded a free or sideline ball. With the ball out of play, a Donegal player grabbed the ball and ran off with. It was exactly the same as Keane doing what he did except it wasted more time.
Coupled with the Armagh time wasting, it's looks a little hypocritical of you to complain.
No, it would be hypocritical if I condoned what McBrearty did. I didn't.
But... my words about Keane were probably a little strong under what were emotional circumstances.
So were agreed that Donegal are quite happy to do the exact same as what Keane did today then
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
I blame RTE.
I watched Sky's coverage, and while it wasn't the best game I've ever seen it was hardly the worst. It was quite entertaining, especially when it was looking like a draw. I was a bit taken aback to see so many of my friends on social media talking about "Gaelic football has been destroyed" and "absolute muck." This isn't the first time I've watched a game on Sky and seen RTE viewers react completely differently.
All this talk about abolishing consecutive use of the handpass. The only thing that needs abolished in Gaelic football is RTE's live coverage of it. They're a useless shower of unprofessional cowboys. There's two other terrestrial networks in Ireland that deserve a chance to show the games in a positive light if RTE aren't going to do it.
I wouldn't say their live coverage needs abolished. Just their punditry
Kerry were hungrier for if today, regardless of how the game was. Peter Canavan pointed out on his half time analysis an off the ball incident were the young bucks of Kerry squaring up to and pushing Michael Murphy around. Donegal were more worried about Kerry's high ball option that it totally disrupted any game plan they has. McBrerety & Molloy brought on to late. I also hear the Super Bowl are looking a blueprint off Croke Parks half time show :P
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Just as 95% of this board can delight in a Dublin defeat, I can delight in a Donegal one. I don't like them and haven't since McGuinness took over their U21's - I'm sure he couldn't give a fook.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Full congratulations to the Kerry folk on a fully deserved win today.
We never really got going or more to the point were never allowed to get going & yet were the width of a post away from a draw we wouldn't have deserved.
A big thanks to Jim & the lads for everything. It has been a great year & I for one am very grateful to them.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
Minus 1 Gooch Cooper
Minus 1 Paul Galvin
Minus 1 Tomas O'Se
Plus 1 crocked Declan O'Sullivian
Plus 1 crocked Darran O'Sullivan
...equals one seriously reduced (skills-wise) Kerry team year-on-year.
This year was the success of a system just as much as 2012 was. Kerry became what they supposedly hated and walked away with Sam.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?
I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal
Again, I don't know what incident you're talking about from Dublin game. Its not even clear from your description what happened: did he carry on running with the ball after it had gone out of play?
As for McBrearty against Armagh, first, it was instinctive: the ball dropped right where he was standing. Second, I'm on record on that thread for calling his act idiotic. He was correctly punished, and his punishment nearly gifted Armagh the draw when the ball was moved closer in towards the goal, instead of it being a sideline ball.
Sorry I'll try and be clearer, this is from memory as I havent watched any replays or highlights of the game.
Near the end of the Dublin game with Dublin trying to get a goal they were awarded a free or sideline ball. With the ball out of play, a Donegal player grabbed the ball and ran off with. It was exactly the same as Keane doing what he did except it wasted more time.
Coupled with the Armagh time wasting, it's looks a little hypocritical of you to complain.
No, it would be hypocritical if I condoned what McBrearty did. I didn't.
But... my words about Keane were probably a little strong under what were emotional circumstances.
So were agreed that Donegal are quite happy to do the exact same as what Keane did today then
Like I said, I do not recall a Donegal player first thinking about it and then running in and kicking the ball away like that. I don't recall ANY other player doing something so blatant. But time wasting, gamesmanship etc., yeah, they all do it.
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Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
BJ Keane, f**k you you little worm.
Did a Donegal player not do something similar in the Semi final? Sideline ball or free to Dublin and ran off out of play with the ball in the last couple of minutes?
Don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. Did he run ten yards to kick it away?
Ran about 50 yards away with the ball out of play. Did Donegal not do the same in the Qtr final v Armagh, Armagh chasing the game and they deliberately kicked the match ball out of play up into row z of the Hogan?
I'd say Keane got a few ideas when they were watching the video analysis of Donegal
Again, I don't know what incident you're talking about from Dublin game. Its not even clear from your description what happened: did he carry on running with the ball after it had gone out of play?
As for McBrearty against Armagh, first, it was instinctive: the ball dropped right where he was standing. Second, I'm on record on that thread for calling his act idiotic. He was correctly punished, and his punishment nearly gifted Armagh the draw when the ball was moved closer in towards the goal, instead of it being a sideline ball.
Sorry I'll try and be clearer, this is from memory as I havent watched any replays or highlights of the game.
Near the end of the Dublin game with Dublin trying to get a goal they were awarded a free or sideline ball. With the ball out of play, a Donegal player grabbed the ball and ran off with. It was exactly the same as Keane doing what he did except it wasted more time.
Coupled with the Armagh time wasting, it's looks a little hypocritical of you to complain.
No, it would be hypocritical if I condoned what McBrearty did. I didn't.
But... my words about Keane were probably a little strong under what were emotional circumstances.
So were agreed that Donegal are quite happy to do the exact same as what Keane did today then
Like I said, I do not recall a Donegal player first thinking about it and then running in and kicking the ball away like that. I don't recall ANY other player doing something so blatant. But time wasting, gamesmanship etc., yeah, they all do it.
Have a look at the match again. Keane got great pointers from the Armagh & Dublin games. You've no right to be outraged.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
Minus 1 Gooch Cooper
Minus 1 Paul Galvin
Minus 1 Tomas O'Se
Plus 1 crocked Declan O'Sullivian
Plus 1 crocked Darran O'Sullivan
...equals one seriously reduced (skills-wise) Kerry team year-on-year.
This year was the success of a system just as much as 2012 was. Kerry became what they supposedly hated and walked away with Sam.
Ah will you stop. If you think Kerry were a southern version of Donegal all year then I don't know what to say to you.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
today Kerry were the southern version of Donegal even if it was for just one day! They had to do it to win I suppose but what an awful match and puke football wins out! A pity that football loses out as the supposed aristocrats of the game are reduced to blanket defence to win an all Ireland! 1 big mistake ended up being decisive and I felt sorry for Durcan but unfortunately for him they are the margins that decide games like this! well done Kerry I suppose, must be great seeing your team winning another title allowing for despicable characters like Keane and while I agree with star's sentiments, that was not the time and place to have a dig at Brolly! Only a fool would write Kerry off in any year as they delight in showing these experts to be wrong again and again. Then again they are virtually guaranteed entry to the Ai quarter final every year due to the weak province they are in and that's not their fault either to be fair. Thank God for hurling!
Seen as my principal is a Kerryman, I'm happy for him the hoor! ;D Plus I cannot suffer JMcG's ways of football.
Kerry adjusted their tactics to counteract what they expected. For long periods Kieran Donaghy and James O Donoghue were nowhere near their anticipated positions of FF and LCF.
Brolly it has to be said has been a huge proponent of Kerry football up here in the north for many years and extols the beauty of the natural football Kerry play. He may have bit of humble pie to eat tonight but he dosent need to be reminded of who the aristocrats of the game are, as he has been banging on about Kerry football for years now.
Like myself, Joe just thought that Donegal may have had a bit too much for them, but thats sport. He is paid to give his opinion and usually isn't too far off the mark. Today Kerry reminded us that that in Gaelic football they can never be discounted, and whether it was a classic or a poor final, they too can adjust to circumstances and win "ugly" if that is whats needed.
Well done the Kingdom, on a rare double.
Have to admire Kerry, they do what they have to do to win, be it playing the beautiful game or ugly they can do it. Thought Geaney was just about MOM. Lovely textbook block by Kerry back after 59 mins was highlight of game. Brick Molloy should have came in earlier, Donegal were flat on the day and were essentially beat at their own game. Jimmy Mc has done a superb job over the last 4 years and no doubt this team will be back.
Congrats to Kerry on their two wins. Donegal got 2 rattles with the goals. The first created a doubt in their counter attack which completely malfunctioned in the 1 st half. Jimmy couldn't understand why they didn't let loose either, he said as much in the rte interview. No overlaps were created and mcloone, a key man, was well marshalled all day.
Early on Murphy got a knock, I'm not sure how but he looked to be limping through the game.
Man of the match was the Kerry Murphy. He was outstanding.
Overall I don't think it was as bad a year as one or two posters made out and if anything the "potential pack" for getting an AI win is widening, this can only be a good thing.
James horan was correct in his Saturday article in saying Donegal should win it but Kerry probably will win it.
I'd imagine he is saying fookit a lot more this evening than lookit!
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Seen as my principal is a Kerryman, I'm happy for him the hoor! ;D Plus I cannot suffer JMcG's ways of football.
In fairness to McG in 2012 they played a great brand of football, also against Dublin this year. I suppose Mayo would have beat the shite out of them today if the ref didn't rob youse in Limerick. :'( ::)
Donaghy is a horrible git. Kerry always bad losers but even worse winners!
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Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
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Worst AI in history IMO. Even worse then 2003 and 2004.
Just curious, did you watch on RTE?
I was at the match and largely agree with Indy. It was better than any washout but the standard was really poor for an AI final. Dublin and Mayo will be sick as dogs after watching the level of performance that was required to win this year's final.
Kerry have learnt their Ulster lesson mentally but their execution still leaves a lot to be desired. I suppose it's something to work on for next year.
So it's a given that Dublin or Mayo would have performed better? How so?
The game was sore on the eye because of the ultra defensive game plan Donegal use.
If Mayo had reached the final they would have had to either play open football and the chances are got ate up by Donegal or met fire with fire resulting in what we witnessed today.
If it was a Dublin Mayo final or a Dublin Kerry final I'm sure it could have been a classic with much more open attacking football.
Kerry done what they had to do to beat the 'monster'.
Spot on. Donegal force other teams to ape their style of play and when other teams do we get awful games, if they don't we can get good games which Donegal win. To beat them your best chance is to ape them.
QuoteKerry have been aping Donegal's system all year. Since Fitzmaurice took over he's been remodelling Kerry as a southern Ulster team that leaves 8 or 9 men back at all times and regularly operates with a single isolated FF.
They are just as defensive as Donegal, indeed looking at their team-sheet they need that system more than Donegal do to paper over talent gaps at key positions.
Today's entertainment was caused by two very defensive teams parking a bus in front of each other and being clueless as to how to unlock the opposition. Someone had to win but we're all losers for having to watch two teams excute that poorly.
Nonsense. Every team is now more aware defensively and get bodies back in an organised way but nobody is as defensive as Donegal but to beat them you unfortunately have to mirror them. If Dublin or Mayo were playing Kerry today they would have played the game very differently.
'Nonsense'. Kerry sat a lot of men deep against Mayo both days and there isn't a snowball's chance they'd have opened up wide and shipped the hammering Dublin would have given them for being that naive had they met today. Kerry are one of the most defensive teams in the country right now, up there with Tyrone and Donegal, albeit not as good at it as those teams were at their peaks.
You saw last years semi final between Dublin and Kerry I presume? Of course Kerry are more tactically astute and have a defensive system that isn't simply each man marking hi opponent but to suggest they are like Donegal is patent nonsense. Donegal force you to be negative, if Kerry were playing Dublin or Mayo they would have been far more attacking. You can't do that against Donegal and expect to be successful, bar perhaps blitzing them early. Having 8 or 9 players back in your defence at times isn't hyper defensive football but playing like Donegal is and Kerry were forced to do that today.
Minus 1 Gooch Cooper
Minus 1 Paul Galvin
Minus 1 Tomas O'Se
Plus 1 crocked Declan O'Sullivian
Plus 1 crocked Darran O'Sullivan
...equals one seriously reduced (skills-wise) Kerry team year-on-year.
This year was the success of a system just as much as 2012 was. Kerry became what they supposedly hated and walked away with Sam.
Ah will you stop. If you think Kerry were a southern version of Donegal all year then I don't know what to say to you.
They were evolving into it all year. If you think otherwise have a look at James Horan's article in the Indo today - he knows all this more intimately than almost any outsider.
The Kerry folks at the match were still quite confused watching their backs and midfielders sit back when they have the ball. Fitzmaurice has remade this team in the image of what scuttled them so many times in the past.
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Donaghy is a horrible git. Kerry always bad losers but even worse winners!
Agreed I have many friends in Kerry who are really good football people but guys like Donaghy just let them down with that rubbish carry on. And the worst excesses of them are every bit as bad as my own county or some of the Northern idiots I've encountered over the years.
Now Mark O Se there is a guy with real class on and off the pitch. wins and loses with a bit of dignity. Donaghy is just an immature idiot who has never grown up but on his day is a terrific footballer.
talent isn't democratic and there is nothing to be said that great players have to be classy individuals. that's the way the world works.
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Seen as my principal is a Kerryman, I'm happy for him the hoor! ;D Plus I cannot suffer JMcG's ways of football.
In fairness to McG in 2012 they played a great brand of football, also against Dublin this year. I suppose Mayo would have beat the shite out of them today if the ref didn't rob youse in Limerick. :'( ::)
True, they played well in 2012, but only against Dublin this year did they come near that level and it probably went to their heads a bit who knows? As for your other stupid question, I honestly don't know, because we didn't beat Kerry, we had the chance the first day but failed to take it.
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
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Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Bullshit, and that's a crap thing to say. cop yourself on.
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
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Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Bullshit, and that's a crap thing to say. cop yourself on.
AZ for some reason you have a blind spot to O'Sullivan. He acted the bollix in the semi final and tried his best today to get a row going.
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Seen as my principal is a Kerryman, I'm happy for him the hoor! ;D Plus I cannot suffer JMcG's ways of football.
In fairness to McG in 2012 they played a great brand of football, also against Dublin this year. I suppose Mayo would have beat the shite out of them today if the ref didn't rob youse in Limerick. :'( ::)
True, they played well in 2012, but only against Dublin this year did they come near that level and it probably went to their heads a bit who knows? As for your other stupid question, I honestly don't know, because we didn't beat Kerry, we had the chance the first day but failed to take it.
It wasn't a question - no need for the reference to stupid. Have some manners.
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
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Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Id say not too many of us wouldn't have reacted having been on the end of such vitriol as O'Sullivan was that day
One of the finest footballers in my lifetime
I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
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I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
fair play...
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I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
fair play...
This is true. We all know plenty of decent blokes who turned into looney bins the minute they crossed the white line.
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
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Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Bullshit, and that's a crap thing to say. cop yourself on.
AZ for some reason you have a blind spot to O'Sullivan. He acted the bollix in the semi final and tried his best today to get a row going.
O'Sullivan tried to get a row going??
What's the Derrytresk thing if you'll forgive my ignorance
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A stinking, cynical ****, IMO.
I'm a right ignorant bastard on this board but I take my hat off to you sir, the last few replies are stunning.
BTW I'm on neither side in this fight.
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Id say not too many of us wouldn't have reacted having been on the end of such vitriol as O'Sullivan was that day
One of the finest footballers in my lifetime
Whatever of Declan O'Sullivan being a dick or not - you must be taking the piss by saying he is one if the finest footballers in your lifetime.
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I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
All this negative crap about Donaghy. So what if he said something about Joe Brolly in the heat of the moment? If he hadn't come on and played as he did in the drawn game Kerry wouldn't even have been playing today. He is a class footballer and deserves man of the match today.
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Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
All this negative crap about Donaghy. So what if he said something about Joe Brolly in the heat of the moment? If he hadn't come on and played as he did in the drawn game Kerry wouldn't even have been playing today. He is a class footballer and deserves man of the match today.
No-one disputes that. The fact that he is a complete asshole off the pitch doesn't detract from his fantastic footballing ability.
It was a fluky goal that was the difference in the 2012 Semi between Kerry & Donegal, probaly a bit of karma today with Durkans howler. Hard luck to Donegal, Kerry probaly deserving winners.
The end of the road for a few of that Donegal team maybe, Rory Kavanagh said it was going to be his last year yesterday in the Indo, 1 or 2 others will probaly follow.
JOD played rightly today but he suffered against Donegal, just as Jamie Clarke did in the quarter final, because of the Donegal system. The reason I would have Connolly as player of the year over JOD is that he managed to play well all year, including against Donegal.
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It was a fluky goal that was the difference in the 2012 Semi between Kerry & Donegal, probaly a bit of karma today with Durkans howler. Hard luck to Donegal, Kerry probaly deserving winners.
The end of the road for a few of that Donegal team maybe, Rory Kavanagh said it was going to be his last year yesterday in the Indo, 1 or 2 others will probaly follow.
Donegal beat kerry well in 2012. Was nothing to do with a fluky goal. Scoreline flattered kerry.
Disappointed for donegal as had hoped they'd win but you can't hold that little scoring threat and win an all ireland.
I would have Donaghy as player of the year. Kerry were dead and buried several times in the last few weeks only for him, he had a bigger impact on the outcome of this A.I than any player in the last few years IMO. Call it flukey or whatever ya like, he pops up in the right place at the right time. At the end of the day, its the big games that count and he has delivered when called upon
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I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
Spot on. Donaghy is a madman but also a real gentleman off the pitch. He has Tyrone blood so that has to be taken into consideration.
He is some bloody footballer all the same and fair play to him.
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It was a fluky goal that was the difference in the 2012 Semi between Kerry & Donegal, probaly a bit of karma today with Durkans howler. Hard luck to Donegal, Kerry probaly deserving winners.
The end of the road for a few of that Donegal team maybe, Rory Kavanagh said it was going to be his last year yesterday in the Indo, 1 or 2 others will probaly follow.
Donegal beat kerry well in 2012. Was nothing to do with a fluky goal. Scoreline flattered kerry.
Disappointed for donegal as had hoped they'd win but you can't hold that little scoring threat and win an all ireland.
No matter how well Donegal played,they still won by 2pts in the end and it was a fluky goal that was the difference in the end.
I was hoping Donegal would win too, but they weren't good enough. McBrearty should have started
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Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
All this negative crap about Donaghy. So what if he said something about Joe Brolly in the heat of the moment? If he hadn't come on and played as he did in the drawn game Kerry wouldn't even have been playing today. He is a class footballer and deserves man of the match today.
No-one disputes that. The fact that he is a complete asshole off the pitch doesn't detract from his fantastic footballing ability.
Apparently he's very nice off the pitch but unbearably arrogant when playing.
I bet some CIA agent will write a book where it is revealed that Donaghy is also Walter Walsh and that this is part of a CIA conspiracy to keep the all Irelands amongst the traditional powers and that only Joe Brolly has the key to defuse the plot, which would explain today's mysterious TV development. Walter Walsh always wears a helmet, of course. You never see his real face.
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
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Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
All this negative crap about Donaghy. So what if he said something about Joe Brolly in the heat of the moment? If he hadn't come on and played as he did in the drawn game Kerry wouldn't even have been playing today. He is a class footballer and deserves man of the match today.
No-one disputes that. The fact that he is a complete asshole off the pitch doesn't detract from his fantastic footballing ability.
A new low on the board
Did jimmy mcg just forget to congratulate Kerry in his aftermath interview or does he do that for all losses?
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Jaysus Martin Carney and that finger!!!
Kerry by 2 in a horrible game of football!
Close...
Farr, Hefo and AZ taking "delight" in a Kerry win. Sort yourselves out lads will ye, sake.
Why? I am delighted for them and their freakishly long arms. It's probably the weight of carrying Sam around all the time 😄
Delight though? Really? I could only reserve the feeling of delight for a big win for my own county (as rare as that is before you say it ;))
I'm ambivalent to Kerry's win today..much the same if the Yankees or the Pats win another Super Bowl..
If you make a mistake as big as Durcan did today you are unlikely to win at this stage of the season by the way in my opinion..,
Yes. Delighted "for" them. Delighted for my wife, in laws and friends down there.
Hmmm...maybe I've just a heart of stone...
You must have. It's great to see Declan o sullivan going out a winner too. He deserves that.
No he does not. He's a stinking thug as was shown when he acted the gypo v Derrytresk.
Id say not too many of us wouldn't have reacted having been on the end of such vitriol as O'Sullivan was that day
One of the finest footballers in my lifetime
Whatever of Declan O'Sullivan being a dick or not - you must be taking the piss by saying he is one if the finest footballers in your lifetime.
Absolutely not
Congrats Kerry. Hopefully we'll get a crack at you next year.
Hard luck Donegal, it appears the Dublin game was your All Ireland Final and you had nothing left the next time around. Was good to see Durcan caught out, nowhere near as good as Cluxton and never will be. He's just another Paul Hearty.
At the game so only seeing the second goal on tv now
Donaghy wasn't 13 m from the ball at the kickout
But durcan deserves it for his stupid kickout
Should have gone to specsavers type moment
Hear people giving out about the ref but think he did ok today
Donegal didn't deliver and akin to 2011 never came out of their defensive shell to actually have a go and try and win the game
Kerry midfield superb and won the game for them
Kerry also showed their all round ability to score and subtle cynical play that seems to be lacking in most modern day footballers . That's how winners play and I don't care if it's on the edge or over the edge of the rules
Donaghy not the best of players but has worked on himself and worked hard to be excellent in certain scenarios. Fair play to him. But like a lot of modern day footballers should shut the gob on the pitch .
Well done Kerry
Dublin will win it next year
Quote from: Old yeller on September 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
Says a lot about where an individual's head-space is at when his first instinct after a winning an AI is to start the " i told you so".
Put up the Mark O Se interview- now that's winning with a bit of class.
QuoteWas good to see Durcan caught out
Why was it good to see durcan caught out??just in case people thought he was better than cluxton??
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Quote from: Old yeller on September 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
Says a lot about where an individual's head-space is at when his first instinct after a winning an AI is to start the " i told you so".
Put up the Mark O Se interview- now that's winning with a bit of class.
Exactly, couldn't believe he was thinking about brolly minutes after playing a potentially motm game in an AIF
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
QuoteWas good to see Durcan caught out
Why was it good to see durcan caught out??just in case people thought he was better than cluxton??
Tight one on big Pappa. Won't ever forget it. Headed straight into the changing room after apparently. Sore one but has been a top operator for many years
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Quote from: Old yeller on September 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
Says a lot about where an individual's head-space is at when his first instinct after a winning an AI is to start the " i told you so".
Put up the Mark O Se interview- now that's winning with a bit of class.
Exactly, couldn't believe he was thinking about brolly minutes after playing a potentially motm game in an AIF
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We all have our motivations and im sure he was using Brolly's words of wisdom as his own. At he end of the day he was caught off gaurd after winning the A.I, not the most gracefull of pitch side interviews but it beats sayin he was goi to wreck Coppers!!!Dont shoot him for it.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
QuoteWas good to see Durcan caught out
Why was it good to see durcan caught out??just in case people thought he was better than cluxton??
Tight one on big Pappa. Won't ever forget it. Headed straight into the changing room after apparently. Sore one but has been a top operator for many years
Yeah pity for him. Wasn't on top of his game today at all. The long ball from o'donoghue first half was lucky not to be a disaster for him too.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on September 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
Says a lot about where an individual's head-space is at when his first instinct after a winning an AI is to start the " i told you so".
Put up the Mark O Se interview- now that's winning with a bit of class.
Exactly, couldn't believe he was thinking about brolly minutes after playing a potentially motm game in an AIF
Now he didn't just grab the mike and start in Brolly. The girl interviewing him brought up transition which led him to talk about Brolly
I thought donaghy's brolly thing was more funny than anything else. Wasn't really much in it.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on September 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Who cares what he's like off the pitch, its totally irrelevant (and mostly hearsay). What matters is that he produced the goods under extreme pressure. Its rank hypocrisy to expect him to behave above and beyond what we would all accept from our own county men. How many people on this forum actually know him personally or have had a bad experience with him? He was blowin off steam when he made the Brolly reference, and who could blame him? An unmarkable player on his day, who was the difference between Kerry winning the A.I and coming up short this year IMHO. Player of the year hands down
Says a lot about where an individual's head-space is at when his first instinct after a winning an AI is to start the " i told you so".
Put up the Mark O Se interview- now that's winning with a bit of class.
Exactly, couldn't believe he was thinking about brolly minutes after playing a potentially motm game in an AIF
Where his head space was??? We're not in your amateur psychology class now. Like most of us us would be after winning an A.I that people said we couldnt or didnt deserve to win, he was probably thinking F**K THE BEGRUDGERS!
I was hoping for a Donegal win but anyone who tries to take away from Kerry or Donaghy's achievement today by slinging mud needs to cop themselves on big time.
Commiserations to Donegal. It wasn't a great game but it was a great battle just like the Mayo games . They are true warriors that went out on their shields.
Our backs were fantastic. The intensity of their tacking was just immense when seen close up. Midfield did their job. Not as dominant as against Mayo but they won their fair share. The forwards were not as good but the blanket is tough and calls for different skills whether we like it or not. Donaghy and O'Donoghue were playing a real cat and mouse game with the Donegal goalie/backline in the second half on the kickouts. Intense focus and concentration was needed and the lads were fully tuned in..... and it paid off. I didn't expect Donegal to make such a howler but there was always a risk of a turnover on those short kickouts.
The minors were superb as well. Just like the Seniors they responded to every bad patch and got stuck in to battle out a result against a very game Donegal side.
Thanks to AZ, Hardy and some of the other posters for the congrats.
Hard luck Donegal. Up the Kingdom
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
Thank you.
We can only await AZ's reply....once he's finished ****ing him off.
Hardstation showing some real class yet again
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 21, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
Congrats Kerry. Hopefully we'll get a crack at you next year.
Hard luck Donegal, it appears the Dublin game was your All Ireland Final and you had nothing left the next time around. Was good to see Durcan caught out, nowhere near as good as Cluxton and never will be. He's just another Paul Hearty.
You're some classless eejit.
Just because someone has the temerity to suggest that Durkan has followed and somewhat succeeded in following Cluxton's innovating lead in harnessing the kick-out, you feel somehow vindicated that the lad just made a split-second slip that will probably haunt him for the rest of his life.
What a small, pathetic individual you are.
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
I hate this hateful shite where the only thing people can think of to talk about in the aftermath of the game is the negative, who made faces at who else and their estimation of the character of people they don't know or have never even met. Talk about the football. All the people on the field today are decent people as far as I know and I'd want pretty convincing evidence before I'd start calling them names in public.
Fair point.
I will edit the post I made earlier.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
I thought donaghy's brolly thing was more funny than anything else. Wasn't really much in it.
Brolly came back very well with the tyrone angle
You have to tip your hat to Kerry. Not a classic final by any means but Kerry almost always seem to find a way when the chips are down.
Happy for Cian O'Neill this evening.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 21, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
You have to tip your hat to Kerry. Not a classic final by any means but Kerry almost always seem to find a way when the chips are down.
Happy for Cian O'Neill this evening.
Yeah, they are spice of the moment. Dublin were last year and Donegal the year before. Time will tell if they just came good this year or are just a fad!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 21, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
Commiserations to Donegal. It wasn't a great game but it was a great battle just like the Mayo games . They are true warriors that went out on their shields.
Our backs were fantastic. The intensity of their tacking was just immense when seen close up. Midfield did their job. Not as dominant as against Mayo but they won their fair share. The forwards were not as good but the blanket is tough and calls for different skills whether we like it or not. Donaghy and O'Donoghue were playing a real cat and mouse game with the Donegal goalie/backline in the second half on the kickouts. Intense focus and concentration was needed and the lads were fully tuned in..... and it paid off. I didn't expect Donegal to make such a howler but there was always a risk of a turnover on those short kickouts.
The minors were superb as well. Just like the Seniors they responded to every bad patch and got stuck in to battle out a result against a very game Donegal side.
Thanks to AZ, Hardy and some of the other posters for the congrats.
Hard luck Donegal. Up the Kingdom
Congrats. Not too many complaints from our end I would think. You can't make a mistake like that at that level and expect to win a tight match. Younger legs made a difference too I think.
When games are tight you can always rely on an o'se to stand up as well. Mcfadden was in the pocket.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
I thought donaghy's brolly thing was more funny than anything else. Wasn't really much in it.
Brolly came back very well with the tyrone angle
Unless you want to come back with a Galway angle maybe it's best you shut up.
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He is a fair operator minder, but its obvious he isnt top cat. It appears to be beyond his control.
I think we should continue to let the moderators know how we feel about this, without causing trouble or being offensive.
I agree, surely they have some idea of the feeling of unhappiness of many posters that is twofold, of course the harsh treatment meted out to Drici and Hardstation but also that they havent had the common courtesy to back up their actions with an explanantion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2014, 09:59:22 PM
I know you think you're smart, but you're not. You're a bitter little man with a good line in insulting people you know nothing about. Fair play, you must be very proud of yourself.
So years later it all becomes clear.
Should have said at the time and not -'Oh we are having a meeting later - don't really know until then - oh it's nothing to do with me ......'
Cleared up now anyway.
We need a age check on Murphy, he wouldnt look out place on a U-16 team
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2014, 11:34:35 PM
We need a age check on Murphy, he wouldnt look out place on a U-16 team
Ladbrokes are withholding all payouts on today's game until this has been completed
Congratulations to the kingdom - champions again and hard luck to Donegal.
As a neutral ( strange to be in Croke Park and not clap or open the mouth), it was a proper game.
The early goal may have rocked Donegal but at times they looked well in control but it was also obvious early on that they did not get extra runners up the pitch in support like they usually do.
Máirtín Beag was on about that Donegal maybe peaked in semi in his column. I thought he was spinning but they did look a bit flat. They had the character to keep trying to keep getting runners forward but the legs looked a bit shot. But where they went for broke against the Dubs it would be natural that they were more cautious in a final - even if McGuinness wanted them to take chances.
They showed great character to respond to second goal disaster but Kerry always managed to get a score at crucial times.
Tactically Fitzmaurice nailed it too. Isolating McGrath was brilliant. The defensive set up was top as well.
Strange Croke Park with only the wan colour. Strange dynamic. Donegal fans were disappointed but not the zombies I ve walked with out of Croke Park a few times. They ve been winners and can always be proud of this team.
Well done Kerry and commiserations to Donegal. A lot of stuff said already but it was a privilege to be there for what I thought was an obsorbing contest. And I doubt many AIs have been played in such perfect conditions.
People keep talking about Donegal not playing as well as they did against Dublin...
That's a myth. If Dublin rocked up again today playing the same tactics Donegal would still have beat them. The system stifles teams from playing proper football. However when you play the same system against it the better players generally shine through a la Dublin 2011, Kerry today!!
The way I look it is this - Kerry had better teams before and lost. In 2011 I thought they were very hard done by with Joe MC Quillan and getting beat by a last minute Cluxton free kick that seemed to take forever to take. In 2013 they were desperately unlucky to get beaten by a class Dublin side after what was one of the best games of football in recent memory.
Yes, they got a few breaks along the way today but I thought Kerry were deserving winners and many congratulations to them on winning.
After big name retirements and significant injuries, not many saw this Kerry win coming and Kerry celebrated the win today like it was their first.
It wasn't a great spectacle but it was absorbing nonetheless. Hard luck Donegal. Their win against Dublin was one of the biggest upsets in recent sporting history. Well done to Kerry on a famous double.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
When games are tight you can always rely on an o'se to stand up as well. Mcfadden was in the pocket.
exactly, so why is McFadden never substituted?? maybe i haven't seen enough donegal games but he always seems to avoid the cull.
It wasn't a great game but I suppose we won't hear a word from Spillane about Kerry playing puke football.
For much of the game Donegal reduced it to a dour level but were effective, thing is they were much more effective when they brought the game to Kerry.
That's the bit I don't get about this Donegal team, they have a damn good bunch of footballers who are better at playing football than most, they could have really stood toe to toe with Kerry and come out winners, they just chose not to and instead focussed way too much on a battle of attrition, stopping the other team from penetrating as if they had a big lead to protect. It's a tiresome formula.
Probably the worst game I have ever seen.
Congrats to kerry
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
When games are tight you can always rely on an o'se to stand up as well. Mcfadden was in the pocket.
exactly, so why is McFadden never substituted?? maybe i haven't seen enough donegal games but he always seems to avoid the cull.
I really don't understand either. Even when he got his chance (for a point - not the goal chance) he had a load of space and fluffed it. Should have been off. I guess he was the one likely to get goals which they needed. Nearly did in the end too. Only reason I can see why.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
When games are tight you can always rely on an o'se to stand up as well. Mcfadden was in the pocket.
exactly, so why is McFadden never substituted?? maybe i haven't seen enough donegal games but he always seems to avoid the cull.
I really don't understand either. Even when he got his chance (for a point - not the goal chance) he had a load of space and fluffed it. Should have been off. I guess he was the one likely to get goals which they needed. Nearly did in the end too. Only reason I can see why.
This is indeed a strange one but McFadden has had a poor year by his standards but caught fire against Dublin and maybe that was the hope for him yesterday despite the limited chances. However, a few things come to mind;
- he is the brother-in-law of the manager...
- McGuinness has in past times referred to the fact that he is very reluctant to take off key scorers as it affects their confidence. An admirable opinion if it applied to all forwards but it doesn't - he seems to give McBrearty a raw deal.
In addition to this I cant believe that there is not much made out of the last attack that Donegal had - IMO it was a clear footblock on McBrearty as he shot on goal and the ball was deflected to McFadden who palmed it against post. Maybe it has been mentioned earlier in this thread but I have heard it nowhere else. Spillane would have a field day if this had happened against one of the Kerry lads - sick of him going on about old Kerry values such as kickpassing etc - didn't see much of it yesterday - he couldn't even bring himself to say that they played a 'system' for the entire game. RTE should get rid but of course he is controversial so he will be there for a while yet.
Finally congrats to the Kingdom - I honestly couldn't see Donegal losing but obviously very wrong on that ???
Quote from: orangeman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:21 AM
In 2011 I thought they were very hard done by with Joe MC Quillan and getting beat by a last minute Cluxton free kick that seemed to take forever to take.
As we've discussed many times though it took less time than Sheehans free around the 62nd minute when he was happy to waste all the time in the world
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Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2014, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
When games are tight you can always rely on an o'se to stand up as well. Mcfadden was in the pocket.
exactly, so why is McFadden never substituted?? maybe i haven't seen enough donegal games but he always seems to avoid the cull.
I really don't understand either. Even when he got his chance (for a point - not the goal chance) he had a load of space and fluffed it. Should have been off. I guess he was the one likely to get goals which they needed. Nearly did in the end too. Only reason I can see why.
This is indeed a strange one but McFadden has had a poor year by his standards but caught fire against Dublin and maybe that was the hope for him yesterday despite the limited chances. However, a few things come to mind;
- he is the brother-in-law of the manager...
- McGuinness has in past times referred to the fact that he is very reluctant to take off key scorers as it affects their confidence. An admirable opinion if it applied to all forwards but it doesn't - he seems to give McBrearty a raw deal.
In addition to this I cant believe that there is not much made out of the last attack that Donegal had - IMO it was a clear footblock on McBrearty as he shot on goal and the ball was deflected to McFadden who palmed it against post. Maybe it has been mentioned earlier in this thread but I have heard it nowhere else. Spillane would have a field day if this had happened against one of the Kerry lads - sick of him going on about old Kerry values such as kickpassing etc - didn't see much of it yesterday - he couldn't even bring himself to say that they played a 'system' for the entire game. RTE should get rid but of course he is controversial so he will be there for a while yet.
Finally congrats to the Kingdom - I honestly couldn't see Donegal losing but obviously very wrong on that ???
it might have been a foot block alright, but I think Murphy was charging at the beginning of the move.
Lads, I removed my response to hardstation's second post there. Obviously a bit of an overreaction, I just don't like when any players are insulted on here, and when it's someone I know and have seen develop since he was 16, I find it harder to bite my tongue. Anyway, I removed the post, but I still think hardstation's original post was OTT.
(As for me w**king off Declan O'Sullivan, nah, I'd say he's sorted out there at home.) :D
In a poor match the game was settled by a howler from Durcan who will have nightmares about that kick out. Aside from that I thought there was nothing between the teams but fair play to Fitzmaurice it was a fine managerial performance to lead that Kerry side to an All Ireland. Not a vintage side by any means but in the modern game the system will prevail every day over individual flair.
Congratulations to Kerry. People are saying it was a poor game but I think that it was a brilliant example of the 'modern' game where the tactical set up is key. Tactically Fitzmaurice got it bang on. Pressure on the kickouts in key areas and Murphy and McHugh swarmed out of it. I agree that there is a serious blind-spot for Jimmy when it comes to McFadden as I thought that he has been very poor all year.
People are questioning Donaghy and the whole rant about Brolly but it is clear that there was something said in terms of motivation about this team being written off. Marc O'Se made reference to it in his interview. Donaghy is a very passionate and was full of adrenaline. As far as he is concerned not one f**k will be given about what he said and there would jave been great craic about it after the event.
The comments by O'Se in terms about the team in transition intrigued me. It is something that you hear quite a lot and has been accepted by many. I actually think that great teams (Kerrys, Kilkennys etc) are never really in or out of transition as they are constantly rebuilding and bringing through great players.
What a kick out, Laces out?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 22, 2014, 09:47:21 AM
Congratulations to Kerry. People are saying it was a poor game but I think that it was a brilliant example of the 'modern' game where the tactical set up is key. Tactically Fitzmaurice got it bang on. Pressure on the kickouts in key areas and Murphy and McHugh swarmed out of it. I agree that there is a serious blind-spot for Jimmy when it comes to McFadden as I thought that he has been very poor all year.
People are questioning Donaghy and the whole rant about Brolly but it is clear that there was something said in terms of motivation about this team being written off. Marc O'Se made reference to it in his interview. Donaghy is a very passionate and was full of adrenaline. As far as he is concerned not one f**k will be given about what he said and there would jave been great craic about it after the event.
The comments by O'Se in terms about the team in transition intrigued me. It is something that you hear quite a lot and has been accepted by many. I actually think that great teams (Kerrys, Kilkennys etc) are never really in or out of transition as they are constantly rebuilding and bringing through great players.
Far from a great team.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 22, 2014, 09:47:21 AM
Congratulations to Kerry. People are saying it was a poor game but I think that it was a brilliant example of the 'modern' game where the tactical set up is key. Tactically Fitzmaurice got it bang on. Pressure on the kickouts in key areas and Murphy and McHugh swarmed out of it. I agree that there is a serious blind-spot for Jimmy when it comes to McFadden as I thought that he has been very poor all year.
People are questioning Donaghy and the whole rant about Brolly but it is clear that there was something said in terms of motivation about this team being written off. Marc O'Se made reference to it in his interview. Donaghy is a very passionate and was full of adrenaline. As far as he is concerned not one f**k will be given about what he said and there would jave been great craic about it after the event.
The comments by O'Se in terms about the team in transition intrigued me. It is something that you hear quite a lot and has been accepted by many. I actually think that great teams (Kerrys, Kilkennys etc) are never really in or out of transition as they are constantly rebuilding and bringing through great players.
Far from a great team.
I should clarify this by saying historically great teams.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 22, 2014, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 22, 2014, 09:47:21 AM
Congratulations to Kerry. People are saying it was a poor game but I think that it was a brilliant example of the 'modern' game where the tactical set up is key. Tactically Fitzmaurice got it bang on. Pressure on the kickouts in key areas and Murphy and McHugh swarmed out of it. I agree that there is a serious blind-spot for Jimmy when it comes to McFadden as I thought that he has been very poor all year.
People are questioning Donaghy and the whole rant about Brolly but it is clear that there was something said in terms of motivation about this team being written off. Marc O'Se made reference to it in his interview. Donaghy is a very passionate and was full of adrenaline. As far as he is concerned not one f**k will be given about what he said and there would jave been great craic about it after the event.
The comments by O'Se in terms about the team in transition intrigued me. It is something that you hear quite a lot and has been accepted by many. I actually think that great teams (Kerrys, Kilkennys etc) are never really in or out of transition as they are constantly rebuilding and bringing through great players.
Far from a great team.
I should clarify this by saying historically great teams.
I agree with your general point, this Kerry team will probably get better in the next few years as they seem to have refocused at underage level but there are very few stand out performers in it at the minute. I'd imagine Declan O Sullivan with his dodgy knees will retire and Marc O Se and O Mahoney will be contemplating it as well but there seems to be a few fine players on that minor team.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
Lads, I removed my response to hardstation's second post there. Obviously a bit of an overreaction, I just don't like when any players are insulted on here, and when it's someone I know and have seen develop since he was 16, I find it harder to bite my tongue. Anyway, I removed the post, but I still think hardstation's original post was OTT.
(As for me w**king off Declan O'Sullivan, nah, I'd say he's sorted out there at home.) :D
Was it Pullhard that posted that ?.
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Ah. I get you now. Bit slow this morning.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/family-court-of-king-james-287740.html
Kerry men can tell a great story and seem to have total recall of events way back in the day ( probably half truth and half lies, most of it ).
Paul Murphy didn't play minor and JOD in his first year on the minors didn't make the first 25.
Well done Kerry.
Have to say I had a wry smile at the end when I saw the tee incident. Donegal minors did a similiar thing vs us in the semi final towards the end.
Ultimately personal errors and bad luck cost Donegal the win which they could easily have eked out.
Always and still like Donaghy. Bit of the cockiness about him and great viewing watching him play.
Woeful final - Worst I've seen - PUKE Kerry football!
Congratulations to Kerry. Loads of people saying it was the worst game of football they have ever seen are clearly exaggerating. While it wasnt Dublin Kerry from last year it certainly was not the worst game ever.
After the first 15 minutes, I went outside for a kickaround with my two little nephews.
Came back for the final 20 minutes of the game.
First time in my life I haven't watched an All-Ireland football final from start to finish in it's entirety.
some amount of boys on here lambasting the Kerry style. If ye's are for lambasting anyone, lambast Donegal who hosted the putrid football party. Kerry played a certain style to win the final...needs must and all that. They won the 2014 all-ireland that featuring the greatest team we've ever seen play football with a squad of fairly young inexperienced players. Hammered the rebels, and along with Mayo produced 2 of the best games seen this year. So good luck to them
I don't know why some northern posters are hopping up and down about Kerry cynicism.
They're no saints but let's be clear about this, they played the way they had to on the day.
That same team has been involved in two of the greatest games I've ever seen (last years and this years semi).
Donegal have one way of playing, which reduces 90% of the games they play to a mind-numbing game of schoolyard bulldog.
I've never held Kerry up as any type of shining example, I don't believe in sacred cows, but as indifferent as I was to the result yesterday, it was better for the game that Kerry won.
Congrats to the Kerry men, desperate desperate game, hopefully somebody can bring something different to the table next year..................................you can rule out kerry and donegal for next year already
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Clubs won't change at all I would say. To play game plans like those successfully takes immense amounts of preparation both to get the fitness and to get the organisation required. It doesn't happen overnight. Clubs wouldn't have the time money or most the dedication to put the preparation in to implement these game plans successfully. Yes some may try and implement them but they more than likely won't work.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
I don't know why some northern posters are hopping up and down about Kerry cynicism.
They're no saints but let's be clear about this, they played the way they had to on the day.
That same team has been involved in two of the greatest games I've ever seen (last years and this years semi).
Donegal have one way of playing, which reduces 90% of the games they play to a mind-numbing game of schoolyard bulldog.
I've never held Kerry up as any type of shining example, I don't believe in sacred cows, but as indifferent as I was to the result yesterday, it was better for the game that Kerry won.
When two teams take the same approach to the game it is always going to be a slug fest. Kerry basically took the same approach against Mayo getting lots of bodies behind the ball but the reason it was a good spectacdle was because of the contrast in styles. Similar with Donegal and Dublin where one team wanted to play attacking football on the front foot and the other wanted to soak up ressure and counter attack. The only surprise is that people are surprised that yesterdays game turned out to be one big arm wrestle. Fitzmaurice is no mug and he knows hew doesn't have the players to play attacking progressive football and expect to win an All Ireland and he cut his cloth to suit this year.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 22, 2014, 11:55:43 AM
Congrats to the Kerry men, desperate desperate game, hopefully somebody can bring something different to the table next year..................................you can rule out kerry and donegal for next year already
Add............Dublin.................to...................that.......................list....................sure.....................for..................the.....................sheer..................craic
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
The question now is whether Jim Gavin will have Dublin join the darkside too.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Agree 100% ( although I think you meant Maigh Eo Abú ;D) , well said
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
The question now is whether Jim Gavin will have Dublin join the darkside too.
Don't need to revert to yesterday's type but defence is part of the game and we will have to rectify matters accordingly .
I never liked the imbalance between defence and attack we had anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2014, 12:00:19 PM
Clubs won't change at all I would say. To play game plans like those successfully takes immense amounts of preparation both to get the fitness and to get the organisation required. It doesn't happen overnight. Clubs wouldn't have the time money or most the dedication to put the preparation in to implement these game plans successfully. Yes some may try and implement them but they more than likely won't work.
Clubs won't change because these tactics are
already being aped all over the country at club level. Jimmy McGuinness set the template for teams with limited players who want to maximise their chances of winning. Whether you agree with or not managers will do whatever it takes to give their side the best possible chance of winning.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
The biggest irony is that spillane was still proclaiming them as the purists of football.
I have absolutly no problem with the way kerry played yesterday, every team is entitled to play whatever way they want within the rules to give themselves the best chance of winning.
It didnt make for the greatest of spectle, but thats not thier problem.
What is hard to stomach is listening to Pat spouting that only donegal in the last 5 years had won an allireland playing defensive football. Did he not watch yesterdays game?
He has given out yards in the past about mcguiness playing the best FF in irealnd out round the middle of the feild, but not a word about it yesterday when Kerry did the same with james odonaghue.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
Dublin completely underestimated Donegal and Kerry didnt get the credit for the amazing job they did on mayo...small things make the biggest impact...Durkin kick out and the width of the goalpost separated the 2 teams yesterday...
Well done Kerry, hard luck Donegal...C'mon TYRONE TO f**k Hi!
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
The best team every year wins the AI I wouldn't dispute otherwise
However there aren't many Kerry players if want up transfer to Dublin at the moment where as the 2001-2009 Kerry teams were full of players you'd want
That leads me to believe we will be right up there next year.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 22, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
The biggest irony is that spillane was still proclaiming them as the purists of football.
I have absolutly no problem with the way kerry played yesterday, every team is entitled to play whatever way they want within the rules to give themselves the best chance of winning.
It didnt make for the greatest of spectle, but thats not thier problem.
What is hard to stomach is listening to Pat spouting that only donegal in the last 5 years had won an allireland playing defensive football. Did he not watch yesterdays game?
He has given out yards in the past about mcguiness playing the best FF in irealnd out round the middle of the feild, but not a word about it yesterday when Kerry did the same with james odonaghue.
In fairness, that is a reaction.
JOD has played inside in the FF line all year and has been scoring for fun.
Murphy plays out around the middle as a rule now because his manager has decided that's where he wants him to play.
Can people really not get the difference between being forced to play a particular style of football and choosing to play a particular style of football?
There's no reason you won't be Indiana but you learnt a harsh lesson about "pure football". How you respond to that will be interesting.
Though in saying that getting a half back line to hold their position would be a good start.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
The best team every year wins the AI I wouldn't dispute otherwise
However there aren't many Kerry players if want up transfer to Dublin at the moment where as the 2001-2009 Kerry teams were full of players you'd want
That leads me to believe we will be right up there next year.
Dublin will of course be right up there next year. Who will be with them though? Do Mayo have the stomach for another rattle? Donegal ditto. Do Kerry have the drive for back to back titles? Cork could win the thing, or implode again. Are Armagh on the verge?
I think it's a bit simplistic to say that Dublin lost to Donegal because they tried to play too much football.
Connolly could and should (and would normally) have killed that game stone dead in the first half and there would be no sneering at 'pure football' or talk of Dublin's 'naivety'.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
I don't know why some northern posters are hopping up and down about Kerry cynicism.
They're no saints but let's be clear about this, they played the way they had to on the day.
That same team has been involved in two of the greatest games I've ever seen (last years and this years semi).
Donegal have one way of playing, which reduces 90% of the games they play to a mind-numbing game of schoolyard bulldog.
I've never held Kerry up as any type of shining example, I don't believe in sacred cows, but as indifferent as I was to the result yesterday, it was better for the game that Kerry won.
Spillane is a dose and i don't often agree with him but he is right when he said kerry didnt play with 2 sweepers, they just left their half backs in position. Donegal played out the game the way their gameplan was set up and probably would've won but for a couple of major errors. The limitations of their gameplan were laid bare in the last seven or eight minutes when kerry played keepball outside the donegal 45 metre line while donegal stayed in their zones like unthinking robots. They got their last score in the 65th minute and barely regained possession after that and made no effort to pressurise kerry to regain possession.
Congrats to Kerry worthy Champs,
gutted after the final whistle game, we never got going at all. But at the same time proud of both teams getting to the final in the first place, never expect to be sitting in Croke Park on The Third Sunday this year shouting on two Donegal teams, so well Done and thanks for the memories.
Just mention memories, I was at the game with my Da , wife and our son (who turns 1 in a few weeks time). But for my Da to be at an all-Ireland final with his Grandson was, will be one of his lifes ever lasting memories, he is in his mid-80s now so chances of that happening again are quite more and more slim.
Just on one indident after the game yesterday admist the Kerry Celebrations, we got up from our seats and head up the steps home after the game, when one Kerry woman made a bee-line for my Wife and son, She said she was looking over a good few times at our son and it made her think of her own young boys back home and they could come to the game and she though our wee man was great, she had bough one of them small Sam Maguire lapel pins but insited that my son have it, as she said at least he will bring a Sam back to the hills. So thank you to that Kerry Woman and the gracious Kerry people. That moment realy eased the pain and made me proud to be part of such a great organisation in the GAA, You can talk about dour game etc but thats what it mean to be in the this great sporting orgnasitation.
See you all in killarney for the league in March.
Dún na nGall Abú!
Quote from: lenny on September 22, 2014, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
I don't know why some northern posters are hopping up and down about Kerry cynicism.
They're no saints but let's be clear about this, they played the way they had to on the day.
That same team has been involved in two of the greatest games I've ever seen (last years and this years semi).
Donegal have one way of playing, which reduces 90% of the games they play to a mind-numbing game of schoolyard bulldog.
I've never held Kerry up as any type of shining example, I don't believe in sacred cows, but as indifferent as I was to the result yesterday, it was better for the game that Kerry won.
Spillane is a dose and i don't often agree with him but he is right when he said kerry didnt play with 2 sweepers, they just left their half backs in position. Donegal played out the game the way their gameplan was set up and probably would've won but for a couple of major errors. The limitations of their gameplan were laid bare in the last seven or eight minutes when kerry played keepball outside the donegal 45 metre line while donegal stayed in their zones like unthinking robots. They got their last score in the 65th minute and barely regained possession after that and made no effort to pressurise kerry to regain possession.
Kerry played with a five man cordon across the middle consisting of their whole Half forward line and midfield . Got some good pictures of it yesterday.
They also played with two spare half backs as you say. At all times Kerry had upwards of 12 players in their own half when donegal entered that region. That's a pretty clear blanket defence in my eyes
Given the players that Jim Gavin has at his disposal it was an abject failure on his part not to win an All Ireland this year. An astute manager will more often than not prevail over the most talented group of players and it was proven again this year. Fitzmaurice done what Jack O'Connor couldn't do with much better players.
In terms of the status of this Kerry time, i.e. good, great etc. those of us who are fortunate enough to have witnessed our county win Sam know that sometimes you win one when you don't expect to.
I certainly didn't expect us to win one in '96, we had superior teams in '97 & '98 who I fully expected to win another All-Ireland which didn't materialise until '99.
So our best team (97/98) was book-ended by two inferior teams, who both actually won the damn thing.
Sport is funny like that.
You take the cup when it's up for grabs.
Some mighty comments , fine lines etc.
If Mayo had of put Kerry away the first day , if Connolly had of netted , would it all of been different . I dont agree the best team in Ireland always win the all Ireland thats for sure, knockout competitions have a habit of not always producing the best team in it as the winner. I still believe Dublin are the best team in Ireland and Mayo second best.
There needs to be a change to the structure of our main competition, the big teams need to play eachother more often . It will happen eventually and we will have a fair and competitive race for Sam , unfortunately it will take another while though.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 22, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Some mighty comments , fine lines etc.
If Mayo had of put Kerry away the first day , if Connolly had of netted , would it all of been different . I dont agree the best team in Ireland always win the all Ireland thats for sure, knockout competitions have a habit of not always producing the best team in it as the winner. I still believe Dublin are the best team in Ireland and Mayo second best.
There needs to be a change to the structure of our main competition, the big teams need to play eachother more often . It will happen eventually and we will have a fair and competitive race for Sam , unfortunately it will take another while though.
I'd agree with that. A tactically astute manager will cover up his teams deficiencies and Fitzmaurice done this very well. However they relied on a lot of luck with refereeing decisions against Mayo and Durcan's clanger yesterday. I would imagine that Kerry will improve from this year though with Cooper to come back and a few younger lads coming through off that Hogan Cup/AI minor team. I'm not sure what the future holds for Donegal though, I suspect that it might be the last we see of some of this side like Lacey,Kavanagh, Toye, Gallagher, Durcan etc. Even more so if McGuinness quits.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 22, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Some mighty comments , fine lines etc.
If Mayo had of put Kerry away the first day , if Connolly had of netted , would it all of been different . I dont agree the best team in Ireland always win the all Ireland thats for sure, knockout competitions have a habit of not always producing the best team in it as the winner. I still believe Dublin are the best team in Ireland and Mayo second best.
There needs to be a change to the structure of our main competition, the big teams need to play eachother more often . It will happen eventually and we will have a fair and competitive race for Sam , unfortunately it will take another while though.
ah thats an entirely different thread altogether but a good point.
The criticism v Kerry (and Mayo for that matter) has always been the lack of games they play to get to a final, and that the Ulster teams have to go through a serious run...but where do you go? I'd hate to see the Anglo Celt Cup being diluted or relegated in priority....the idea that the NFL should be more prominent but then....hard one to call....
was murphy injured yesterday?
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2014, 07:28:38 PM
Midfield is where it will be won and lost.
Gallagher is a very influential player but this year's version of Moran is so amazingly consistent that I think think this can be decisive. However, often when two in form high profile midfielders come up against against each other like this, they can be outshone by the other two. Think Colm Cavanagh and Seamus O'Sé in last year's semi-final. It is hard to see Moran's game dipping that much though.
I was impressed with Kerry in their games with us. They fight for everything, before the ref has taken the field, long after the whistle is gone. A lot of it is annoying, but the message is crystal clear. They will fight to the death and you know you are in a game.
Donegal's defeat of Dublin has changed everyone's opinion of them. But I think it might be over-estimated.
Kerry for me.
Well Jim decided to play Neil Gallagher in front of Donaghy, effectively handing midfield to Kerry. I should have guessed. I'm only surprised he didn't put Michael Murphy there as well.
Poor game but I don't blame Kerry for that in the way you couldn't blame Dublin for the 2011 semi-final. I do feel sorry for Durcan, I thought his kick outs had improved immensely this year, only for that to happen to him.
Congrats to Kerry.
Unfortunate for Durkan that his mistake will always be remembered because it ultimately cost his side the game. Who is going to remember Frank McGlynn dropping the ball and Chris McGuinness grabbing it and sticking away a goal in the Ulster final. Who is going to remember the Kerry keeper gifting Mayo a goal in the replay?
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
Unfortunate for Durkan that his mistake will always be remembered because it ultimately cost his side the game. Who is going to remember Frank McGlynn dropping the ball and Chris McGuinness grabbing it and sticking away a goal in the Ulster final. Who is going to remember the Kerry keeper gifting Mayo a goal in the replay?
Hopefully Durkan can win again. The punishment for being seen to be responsible for losing a big match can last a lifetime
The words of Moacir Barbosa, the goalkeeper scapegoated for the defeat in the final 1950 game against Uruguay, resonated. Shortly before his death in 2000, Barbosa said: "The maximum punishment in Brazil is 30 years' imprisonment but I have been paying, for something I am not even responsible for, by now for 50 years."
Feel really bad for Durkan this morning, he has had a career most can only dream of and yet he will be forever remembered for this mistake. Ultimately it was the defining factor of the match.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 22, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Some mighty comments , fine lines etc.
If Mayo had of put Kerry away the first day , if Connolly had of netted , would it all of been different . I dont agree the best team in Ireland always win the all Ireland thats for sure, knockout competitions have a habit of not always producing the best team in it as the winner. I still believe Dublin are the best team in Ireland and Mayo second best.
There needs to be a change to the structure of our main competition, the big teams need to play eachother more often . It will happen eventually and we will have a fair and competitive race for Sam , unfortunately it will take another while though.
Still? would Mayo have beaten Kerry if they played them last year? Mayo fourth at best this year in my opinion. Before the Kerry games Mayo only bet Cork by one point and also struggled past Roscommon. I don't think the Mayo form was good enough to beat Dublin,Donegal this summer. Plenty of what ifs in every game look at Durcans mistake yesterday and fair play to Kerry they made the most of breaks that went their way.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 22, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 22, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Some mighty comments , fine lines etc.
If Mayo had of put Kerry away the first day , if Connolly had of netted , would it all of been different . I dont agree the best team in Ireland always win the all Ireland thats for sure, knockout competitions have a habit of not always producing the best team in it as the winner. I still believe Dublin are the best team in Ireland and Mayo second best.
There needs to be a change to the structure of our main competition, the big teams need to play eachother more often . It will happen eventually and we will have a fair and competitive race for Sam , unfortunately it will take another while though.
Still would Mayo have beaten Kerry if they played them last year? Mayo fourth at best this year in my opinion. Before the Kerry games Mayo only bet Cork by one point and also struggled past Roscommon. I don't think the Mayo form was good enough to beat Dublin,Donegal this summer. Plenty of what ifs in every game look at Durcans mistake yesterday and fair play to Kerry they made the most of breaks that went their way.
Ok Captain my Captain. what was his/her name from Mayo and what did they do to you? Obviously in Mayo, we're experts in moving on from the past so I think it's best you....
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My favourite part of Kerry Puke performance yesterday??
Two Kerry defenders trying to pull Murphy down at the end and he bulled them out of the road! lol
Before the game all last week I said I had a sneaky feeling that Kerry would win because I felt it would be very difficult for Donegal to repeat the level of performance they put in against Dublin. It was such a good performance and the players and management must have been on such a high after the victory in the semi final that there is inevitably going to be a come down and it would be hard to get that high again.....even for a final.
It really was a strange game IMO, riddled with errors and lacking quality at times but nevertheless, it was still an intriguing watch. Donegal started so so flat and conceded an incredibly soft goal in the opening minute even though Ganey finished it well. In the first 15-20 minutes, Kerry where on top but their shooting and shot selection was awful. Donegal couldn't really get going and Murphy was kicking some lovely frees from tactical & cynical Kerry fouling far out the field to keep them within touch. About the last 15 minutes of the 1st half, Donegal started to edge their way back into the game. I thought they were paying poorly but staying within touch. At this stage, I thought Kerry had a went to shit a bit. They kicked some awful wide's, some of their passing was atrocious and they were just lumping ball in, coming up to half time I thought Kerry has lost their way and at half time ill admit I could only see a Donegal win as I felt they had played none first half and had a lot more to give in the second half. I thought Kerry had shot their load too early to be honest. With JOD playing out the field, I could not see Kerry getting enough scores through Star and Ganey alone.
The second half was bizarre to watch at times as well. Start of the second half, both teams score a point a piece and then for 10 minutes solid, we see an array of turnovers, atrocious handling and awful shooting / shot selection from both teams. I was sat there thinking, who the hell is going to win this, neither of them are playing well enough to win it. In the end, it really came down to a horrific goalkeeping error. What the shocking thing is though, Donegal actually had their best spell after they conceded that and started to play with a bit more drive and ambition and kicked 3 beautiful scores straight away. McBreaty was on fire with 2 lovely scores but after those scores, he hyped himself too much and missed 2 good chances thereafter which he really should have been converted. His head was in the clouds at that stage, he could see the headlines and wasn't thinking straight. You could see it in his eyes. He was TOO SPACED out after those 2 earlier points. Donegal where within a point and on top but the point Johnny Buckley got after that was a crucial score to Kerry. Donegal will be massively disappointed with that score. It was a bit of a wonder point but he ghosted in with nobody tracking him and had all the time in the world to get his shot away.
It's the worst Kerry team ive seen to win an all Ireland but at the same time they deserve huge credit to win an AI with basically a bunch of unknowns and boys like Maher & Moran who you thought probably just where not good enough to win an AI. Boys Like Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitgerald, the 2 Ganeys, Paul Murphy, Stephen O'Brien, like who are these guys and they have just won an All Ireland?
Id say Donegal have to be massively disappointed today and McGuiness will be sick as this is one they left behind I feel. I still think they are probably a better team than Kerry at present and if the game was played today, they would probably win. McGuiness has to be criticized for his decisions on Colm McFadden this year who has just not produced at all. He's been quite shocking and did nothing yesterday bar kick a point from a free. He's right when he says that yesterday, Donegal just collectively where not good enough. Too many of their players had off days. Even Karl Lacey was very quiet yesterday. They were incredibly flat Donegal and that's what cost them. I'm not even that convinced by Kerry yet.
Overall, its been a very meh All Ireland series with the semi finals being the only memorable games. Everyone bar Pat Spillane last night on the SG said there needs to be a shake up of some sort and id fully agree with that. Cork and Tyrone's regression this year hasn't helped the series as a whole either.
Quote from: WT4E on September 22, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
My favourite part of Kerry Puke performance yesterday??
Two Kerry defenders trying to pull Murphy down at the end and he bulled them out of the road! lol
Should have been a free out for barging.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
was murphy injured yesterday?
Certainly seemed to be limping slightly from early on in the game.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 22, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 22, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
My favourite part of Kerry Puke performance yesterday??
Two Kerry defenders trying to pull Murphy down at the end and he bulled them out of the road! lol
Should have been a free out for barging.
L O L!
Good one!
Donegal lost the all-Ireland in the semi final V Dublin. If they had just made it over the line, they'd have just been the blanket defending Donegal that you have to grind out a win against. Instead they were suddenly this high scoring, fast breaking, goal scoring machine and McHugh was a superstar in waiting.
Suddenly the light shone on them in a different way and Kerry adapted to that. The pressure was on Donegal and expectations rose.
I think Kerry learned a lot more about Donegal than anyone could have expected. They had no shock and awe left, much like they used against Mayo in 2012. wasn't going to happen again.
One of McGuinness's quotes was telling, he talked about the players wanting it to be 9.30 in the city west before the game rather than realising the game starts at 3.30. Maybe he felt he couldn't get the intensity into them that is needed for an All Ireland.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 22, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 22, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
My favourite part of Kerry Puke performance yesterday??
Two Kerry defenders trying to pull Murphy down at the end and he bulled them out of the road! lol
Should have been a free out for barging.
correct, you canny charge through defenders
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 22, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 22, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
My favourite part of Kerry Puke performance yesterday??
Two Kerry defenders trying to pull Murphy down at the end and he bulled them out of the road! lol
Should have been a free out for barging.
correct, you canny charge through defenders
I don't think you can class it as a charge when he's shrugging cubs off who are trying everything to get him to the ground!
Was a poor enough game. We're well used to defensive matches these days but score taking has improved greatly over recent years, yesterday it was very poor. Loads of shots wide and there was a lack of pace to the attacks. Both teams were over cautious. Kerry deserved the win though and great credit must go to Fitzmaurice.
On another note, something has to be done about the finances for inter county teams. It's no coincidence that the four semi finalists had far more resources available to them than most of the other counties. Dubl$n obviously had the most but the other three had plenty of cash to spend too.
It's an amateur sport lads, the spending and other stuff going on is getting out of control. We need to cut the legs from underneath it before it's too late.
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Charging or not ?.
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
Was a poor enough game. We're well used to defensive matches these days but score taking has improved greatly over recent years, yesterday it was very poor. Loads of shots wide and there was a lack of pace to the attacks. Both teams were over cautious. Kerry deserved the win though and great credit must go to Fitzmaurice.
On another note, something has to be done about the finances for inter county teams. It's no coincidence that the four semi finalists had far more resources available to them than most of the other counties. Dubl$n obviously had the most but the other three had plenty of cash to spend too.
It's an amateur sport lads, the spending and other stuff going on is getting out of control. We need to cut the legs from underneath it before it's too late.
Donegal have their London sugar daddy while Dublin get a few quid here and there. Havent heard ought of Mayo and Kerry spending crazy money. Whats the word on the street Huggy?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
What did Johnny Buckley get the black card for ?.
No idea, but it wasn't the same incident or else Donegal would have had a free on the 13 metre line.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
not 100% who the defender was, but big MM runs straight threw him. Was a manic passage of play with so many folk in a small area (well, thats what Kinsella will be saying). McFadjin was inches away from being the hero yesterday after a poor season compared to his usual very high standards.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
No idea, but it wasn't the same incident or else Donegal would have had a free on the 13 metre line.
The most obvious incident of charging was BJ Keane, where he jumped into the donegal tacklers with both feet off the ground and got a very handy free in which he pointed.
I really dont know what the defender is supposed to do in that situation.
I think Young was the one Murphy jumped into. He went down, and by the time he got up he was in position to pick up the rebound.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
Thats leo mcloone in the picture above anyway is it not?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
I think Young was the one Murphy jumped into. He went down, and by the time he got up he was in position to pick up the rebound.
I thought Enright picked up the rebound?! (we'll put this case together yet)
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Donegal have their London sugar daddy while Dublin get a few quid here and there. Havent heard ought of Mayo and Kerry spending crazy money. Whats the word on the street Huggy?
I don't know where you're going talkin like that. This is a place where manly men and women have a decent chat about the GAA. Using your sort of lingo would get yourself a baitin in most clubs in Ireland.
Maybe so. It was so manic there I couldn't be sure. I'm just fairly sure that photo is not the same incident anyway.
Leo McLoone was involved in a couple of incidents like that where to my mind, the attacker had jumped into the contact.
The BJ Keane free was the exact same i.e. jump into tackler and fall over = free to attacker.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 22, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
Thats leo mcloone in the picture above anyway is it not?
I think you're right, that is Leo McLoone. I'd say there are several shots of McLoone like this as he kept running through the centre into traffic.
Edit...bate me to it by a few seconds there Jinxy!
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
Was a poor enough game. We're well used to defensive matches these days but score taking has improved greatly over recent years, yesterday it was very poor. Loads of shots wide and there was a lack of pace to the attacks. Both teams were over cautious. Kerry deserved the win though and great credit must go to Fitzmaurice.
On another note, something has to be done about the finances for inter county teams. It's no coincidence that the four semi finalists had far more resources available to them than most of the other counties. Dubl$n obviously had the most but the other three had plenty of cash to spend too.
It's an amateur sport lads, the spending and other stuff going on is getting out of control. We need to cut the legs from underneath it before it's too late.
Donegal have their London sugar daddy while Dublin get a few quid here and there. Havent heard ought of Mayo and Kerry spending crazy money. Whats the word on the street Huggy?
I'm nearly sure Kerry had a foreign training camp pre championship this year and regularly stay in Fota Island the weekend before matches so I'd imagine they have a reasonably hefty spend as well.mThe theory about restricting spend of teams is correct but I don't know how you would police it.
Quote from: orangeman on September 22, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I don't think that's the same incident. I think Killian Young was involved in the last minute one.
What did Johnny Buckley get the black card for ?.
somebody had to get one
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
Was a poor enough game. We're well used to defensive matches these days but score taking has improved greatly over recent years, yesterday it was very poor. Loads of shots wide and there was a lack of pace to the attacks. Both teams were over cautious. Kerry deserved the win though and great credit must go to Fitzmaurice.
On another note, something has to be done about the finances for inter county teams. It's no coincidence that the four semi finalists had far more resources available to them than most of the other counties. Dubl$n obviously had the most but the other three had plenty of cash to spend too.
It's an amateur sport lads, the spending and other stuff going on is getting out of control. We need to cut the legs from underneath it before it's too late.
Donegal have their London sugar daddy while Dublin get a few quid here and there. Havent heard ought of Mayo and Kerry spending crazy money. Whats the word on the street Huggy?
I'm nearly sure Kerry had a foreign training camp pre championship this year and regularly stay in Fota Island the weekend before matches so I'd imagine they have a reasonably hefty spend as well.mThe theory about restricting spend of teams is correct but I don't know how you would police it.
That was their foreign training camp.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
Was a poor enough game. We're well used to defensive matches these days but score taking has improved greatly over recent years, yesterday it was very poor. Loads of shots wide and there was a lack of pace to the attacks. Both teams were over cautious. Kerry deserved the win though and great credit must go to Fitzmaurice.
On another note, something has to be done about the finances for inter county teams. It's no coincidence that the four semi finalists had far more resources available to them than most of the other counties. Dubl$n obviously had the most but the other three had plenty of cash to spend too.
It's an amateur sport lads, the spending and other stuff going on is getting out of control. We need to cut the legs from underneath it before it's too late.
Donegal have their London sugar daddy while Dublin get a few quid here and there. Havent heard ought of Mayo and Kerry spending crazy money. Whats the word on the street Huggy?
I'm nearly sure Kerry had a foreign training camp pre championship this year and regularly stay in Fota Island the weekend before matches so I'd imagine they have a reasonably hefty spend as well.mThe theory about restricting spend of teams is correct but I don't know how you would police it.
That was their foreign training camp.
bunch of f*cking animals.
I thoroughly enjoyed the game yesterday and was quite pleased with how much Kerry football has evolved in the last number of years capable of scrapping to the challenge that they face, the first time they have squeezed a tight game in a generation. Great to see Cooper out there and Id say he would have been an asset in the tight game no matter what Joe Brolly might think.
Neil Gallagher was immense and my man of the match and player of the year as well. What a Herculean season he has had.
Bryan Sheehan with that first kick into the hill. What a supreme temperament.
Michael Murphy was well below par yesterday but I never seen a player getting "off the ball" like it as he got in the first half,in an all Ireland final from two players all the time.
I felt Donaghy was a joy to watch and really have little time for the constant slagging he gets on here. Superb to watch and tough to play against.
Paul Durcan - the best keeper in Ireland two out of the last 3 seasons, What a terrible injustice..
Finally what about the last O Se. Great servant. Is this the end of the modern era for the greatest of GAA dynasties.
With a smile I finish. Kerry have now rendered your own man Spillane as the ranting tit he always was.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
I don't know why some northern posters are hopping up and down about Kerry cynicism.
They're no saints but let's be clear about this, they played the way they had to on the day.
That same team has been involved in two of the greatest games I've ever seen (last years and this years semi).
Donegal have one way of playing, which reduces 90% of the games they play to a mind-numbing game of schoolyard bulldog.
I've never held Kerry up as any type of shining example, I don't believe in sacred cows, but as indifferent as I was to the result yesterday, it was better for the game that Kerry won.
Kerry have always played this way - with clever cynicism.
I cant think of an all Ireland winner in the past 30 years that didn't have this cynicism.
but you have to be able to play football too- which Kerry can. Doesn't matter if you call it puke football or whatever. Its winning football.
Cynicism and 'puke' football or not the same thing though.
According to some people, Meath had plenty of cynical players on All-Ireland winning teams in the past, but that doesn't mean they played negative football.
Just to clarify, I don't mind lads 'getting to know each other' it's this safety in numbers, smother the opposition stuff I can't abide.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of cynicism and only a cynic would argue otherwise.
Completely agree. When Keane kicked the ball away yesterday in the dying moments, all I could think of was the drawn hurling final last year and why Cork did not try to kill the game with a similar tactic, instead of White dropping it wide that lead to O'Donovan's equalizer. You don't win 37 All Irelands without a bit of a mean streak. Good luck to them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
I think Young was the one Murphy jumped into. He went down, and by the time he got up he was in position to pick up the rebound.
I still don't think Murphy jumped into anyone - from what I remember they tried to drag him and he shrugged them off cause he's a horse!
Just because Young went to ground doesn't mean he was charged at just means that Murphy was physically too strong for the cynical fouling!
I think it's all been said about this match but that's never stopped in the past. Some random observations
Over the 73-odd mins Kerry were the better team and deserved to win...just.
For this neutral it was an awful, awful game of football and no amount of use of words like intriguing or absorbing can sugar coat that. It was more than two systems cancelling each other out, the skill level was low, option taking and decision making poor, shooting was woeful. It was exemplified by the first 15 mins of the 2nd half which was mind numbingly low quality football. I'd say Cross v. Dromintee was better!
If this is the blueprint of how to win an All Ireland we may go on snooze for the next 5 years and I'm personally glad that in Antrim we deliberately boycott the later stages of the championship so as not to sully our good name as the last purveyors of non-puke football.
I actually agree with McGuinness' analysis of the match in that Donegal lost the game over the 70 mins and not as a result of Durcan's error. In fairness to Durcan anyone who has played with bright sunlight in their eyes know that sometimes you look up and can see only silhouettes and my feeling is that Durcan either didn't see Donaghy or perhaps though it was a Donegal player. One question i would have for JMG is why he started O'Connor when Toye was probably Donegal's best player on the day.
When are commentators and pundits going to wake up to the fact that Kerry have been playing a version of the blanket for at least 6 years, it's just they hadn't perfected it up until yesterday.
Was Buckley given a token black near the end or is the black card only for the league and early championship rounds?? In the first half I saw at least two clear black card offences that were missed/ignored by the ref.
What Keane did near the end should probably be a black card offence and it dismays somewhat me to see the "two wrongs make a right" defence trotted out by several posters.
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos_h264high/2731CE3CA91125511350689660928_SW_WEBM_1411317021144e93276c959.mp4?versionId=M5vw8ktWeyot5Vg7JxB.U2SynfHmuxPV (https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos_h264high/2731CE3CA91125511350689660928_SW_WEBM_1411317021144e93276c959.mp4?versionId=M5vw8ktWeyot5Vg7JxB.U2SynfHmuxPV)
He looks like a fecking bould child.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
Kerry wouldnt have won that final without Donaghy or in fact would not have beat Mayo without said man, himself, and O Mahony will retire this year.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 03:49:07 PM
He looks like a fecking bould child.
The thing is, anyone who was in Limerick would have seen this before.
When Freeman came on at halftime for Cillian, he put a ball down to practise a free off the ground. The Kerry team were coming back out and Marc O'Sé (I think) took a detour to boot the ball away so Freeman couldn't hit it. Once looks spontaneous but twice looks tactical.
It's definitely tactical. It's the same school as the 'foul quickly on a turnover'.
Anywhere to watch highlights online? Few things I want to see again namely Donaghy's goal.
Absolutely tactical. BJK threw AOS boot into the crowd that had come off after the scuffle when mayo beast invaded the pitch too.
DOS deliberately called Fionn Fitz to walk threw the pitch to disrupt Mayo free after he got black also, was going to walk behind goals but DOS made sure he disrupted play.
Cute hoooooors...
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
Anywhere to watch highlights online? Few things I want to see again namely Donaghy's goal.
the goal is on yesterday's six one news on the RTE player
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 22, 2014, 03:51:15 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
you Dubs needy put away the crystal balls. Kerry lifted Sam in a championship year that included the unbeatable Dubs. You got it all wrong against Donegal were as Kerry got it spot on. Kerry, best team in the country this year. Plenty of emerging talent with the experience of winning and the Gooch to come back. Could be there or there abouts next year. Have the weaponry and skill set to beat any system by the looks of it. Id say Gavin will have learnt more watching that game than any game Dublin were involved in this year
Kerry wouldnt have won that final without Donaghy or in fact would not have beat Mayo without said man, himself, and O Mahony will retire this year.
Havent heard ought concrete that both or either will retire.
Would you take the Gooch and Tommy Walsh for the two mentioned?
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
Anywhere to watch highlights online? Few things I want to see again namely Donaghy's goal.
I don't know if I will ever be able to watch that game again! :-[
Took me nine months to bring myself to watch last year's hammering by Mayo (I was airborne and missed it live) :)
Quote from: rrhf on September 22, 2014, 03:29:12 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed the game yesterday and was quite pleased with how much Kerry football has evolved in the last number of years capable of scrapping to the challenge that they face, the first time they have squeezed a tight game in a generation.
I'm pretty sure Kerry have won some tight games over the past 20 odd years.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Cynicism and 'puke' football or not the same thing though.
According to some people, Meath had plenty of cynical players on All-Ireland winning teams in the past, but that doesn't mean they played negative football.
Just to clarify, I don't mind lads 'getting to know each other' it's this safety in numbers, smother the opposition stuff I can't abide.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of cynicism and only a cynic would argue otherwise.
Kerry have always been somewhat cynical and actually they have been the forerunners of 'puke' football from the mick odwyer days as he used to get his wing half forwards to drop deep and add two extra defenders before breaking out and counter attacking quickly.
It's instructive to look at the Golden Years games. You'll regularly see Ger Power, Mikey Sheehy and Spillane back in their own 21 yard line winning ball and coming out with it. As I mentioned earlier, Bomber did a textbook drag down on Pat Fitzgerald in the dying minutes of the 1982 final, which led to the free that the goal came from. When they play nice football, it's lovely football. Their forward movement and kick passing can be fantastic. But Kerry always have, and always will, do whatever it takes to win.
Quote from: Anti-Kingdom on September 22, 2014, 05:26:17 PM
I thought Tír Chonaill were much the better team in the first half. The goal they conceded at the outset was unfortunate, but it happens. After that they dominated the half. The 'Kingdom' were being steamrolled.
The start of the second half was more of the same, Tír Chonaill dominating. But they became far too withdrawn. Durcan's kick out was again just one of those things, but they were really handing over a game they were controlling.
The final minutes of the game must have been very frustrating for Tír Chonaill. They refused to press the 'Kingdom', who were simply passing the ball over and back laboriously. Tír Chonaill must be kicking themselves.
What about the inhabitants of Inis Eoghain? Would they not be kicking themselves as well?
Well done to Kerry on their win and I hope the players and supporters enjoy the coming days and weeks.
Heartbroken for our lads as they didn't do themselves justice on the big day. In both 2012 and this year we played our best football in the semi and saved some of our worst for the final.
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
Anywhere to watch highlights online? Few things I want to see again namely Donaghy's goal.
I don't know if I will ever be able to watch that game again! :-[
Took me nine months to bring myself to watch last year's hammering by Mayo (I was airborne and missed it live) :)
Surely you saw Aiden O'Sé while you were up there? ;D
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF903/687097.jpg)
Marc O'Se now has 5 All Ireland medals ...joining his brothers on that tally.
Declan O'Sullivan and Aidan O'Mahony also won their 5th yesterday.
Kieran Donaghy got his 4th.
Killian Young and Bryan Sheehan got their third.
Donnacha Walsh and David Moran got their second.
I think the rest all first timers.
Does Gooch get one? #28 in the panel.
Quote from: muppet on September 22, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
Anywhere to watch highlights online? Few things I want to see again namely Donaghy's goal.
I don't know if I will ever be able to watch that game again! :-[
Took me nine months to bring myself to watch last year's hammering by Mayo (I was airborne and missed it live) :)
Surely you saw Aiden O'Sé while you were up there? ;D
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF903/687097.jpg)
:D
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 05:41:28 PM
Does Gooch get one? #28 in the panel.
I'm sure the Kerry CB will fork out one for him :D
I think they only count in Kerry if you get onto the field ;) ...going by this anyway.
http://terracetalk.com/kerry-football/top-appearances
Someone was looking for a replay of the goal earlier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25x0vpb350
There was a staleness from Donegal that really wasn't planned, it's psychological and can happen I really don't think its anything Kerry did in 70mins.
We had it against Armagh, to some degree Dublin (after 20mins) had it against us, Mayo had it at the wrong times against Kerry(regardless of the referee).
All sports people will talk about playing in the moment and when your mind is on the end result or getting over the line the moment can almost be a chore & tactics,gameplans etc are just irrelevant.
I could pick out 4,5 Donegal players whose mind completely lapsed at crucial times wheras id struggle to pick out a single Kerry player and thats why they were the better team ....just and there can be no complaints about the result.
If Jim could pick the team again im pretty sure a fresh McBearty would have started & maybe Jigger would have started the 2nd half instead of McFadden etc I'm pretty sure they're a few things rolling anout in his head today.. but thats sport.
There was a strage anticlimactic feeling going into the final in Donegal in general compared to 2012 despite what anyone pretends It was a weird championship in general and totally agree with anyone who says that it was the worst final in years
McGuinness mentioned in his interview that the players felt a little flat and short of energy. When breaking there was 2 / 3 players breaking instead of the usual plethora. Too much training in the run in?
Do the Donegal men think he will stay on? Dare you think who could try to fill his boots?
Quote from: J OGorman on September 22, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
McGuinness mentioned in his interview that the players felt a little flat and short of energy. When breaking there was 2 / 3 players breaking instead of the usual plethora. Too much training in the run in?
Do the Donegal men think he will stay on? Dare you think who could try to fill his boots?
For me it totally depends on Ronnie Deila and wheather Jim thinks Ronnie will be a longterm manager cause if he isn't, obviously there's no guarantee his job is secure if a new man comes in.. Tbh im not sold that Jim wants to emigrate to Glasgow fulltime change his kid's schools, new house etc etc so I think for that reason he'll stay put in Donegal.
Tiredess definitely a factor but more psychological than physical casuse Kerry had two tough semi's to get over.
I'm mot a stats man but if a team manages to overcome the Dubs in next year's semifinal I'd worry about them in the final not sure how many teams have successfully done this in the last halfdozen years. It's mentally draining.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Crossmaglen will change?
Cross have always played a boring to watch, overly-defensive blend of football.
What??? That's crazy talk.
Seen some social media rumours , jimmy mcg to announce he's stepping down tonight?
Donegal should have been rolling into Pettigo with the cup about now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 07:52:08 PM
What??? That's crazy talk.
If you haven't realised it by now AZ - SouthDublinBro is an account (likely by someone else on the board) designed simply to troll others.
Of course I do :)
http://www.highlandradio.com/on-air/listen-live/
Live from Donegal Town.
Jimmy speaking at the moment.
There were 3 turning points in the game.
1. Odhran fumbling a routine pass which led to first goal.
2. Papa's kickout which led to second goal.
3. Colm's fisted effort hitting the post at the end.
When it's your day one, two or even all three of these will go your way. It was Kerry's day & good luck to them.
We had it our way against Dublin when all the breaks fell our way. Such is life.
If you want to beat an in form Donegal team who play a well drilled counter attack/blanket defence then you play them at their own game. The result is the spectacle of that shite we watched on Sunday. Its a shame to see the biggest game of the year reduced to such poor quality.
Personally I'd have no problem with defensive minded teams, or games between two such teams. The problem with yesterday's game was more the poor execution of skills, stray passes, poor shooting and poor decision making in attack by both teams.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 22, 2014, 09:34:35 PM
There were 3 turning points in the game.
1. Odhran fumbling a routine pass which led to first goal.
2. Papa's kickout which led to second goal.
3. Colm's fisted effort hitting the post at the end.
When it's your day one, two or even all three of these will go your way. It was Kerry's day & good luck to them.
We had it our way against Dublin when all the breaks fell our way. Such is life.
You've hit the the nail on the head from where I saw it.
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Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
was murphy injured yesterday?
Certainly seemed to be limping slightly from early on in the game.
Hello, new here. Just a thought: eh, possibly injured himself from the hit to the stomach he inflicted on Diarmuid Connolly on the semi-final and for which he should have received a red card !!
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2014, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
was murphy injured yesterday?
Certainly seemed to be limping slightly from early on in the game.
Hello, new here. Just a thought: eh, possibly injured himself from the hit to the stomach he inflicted on Diarmuid Connolly on the semi-final and for which he should have received a red card !!
Is there a big queue outside?
Irony, actually. Thoroughly enjoying most of the contributions on this forum...... 8)
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 22, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Personally I'd have no problem with defensive minded teams, or games between two such teams. The problem with yesterday's game was more the poor execution of skills, stray passes, poor shooting and poor decision making in attack by both teams.
I would agree with that.
Gaelic football badly needs a resurgent Meath team, and possibly a resurgent Down team, to lift all our spirits with their traditional style and panache.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:11:20 AM
Gaelic football badly needs a resurgent Meath team, and possibly a resurgent Down team, to lift all our spirits with their traditional style and panache.
And Offaly. We'd sort out this nonsense. Get the ball, kick it 60 yards, box a lad in the stomach and stick it in the onion bag. Stop for a fag, and plan your night's porter with the lad your marking, then get in a scrap. Catch the ball again, kick it another 60 yards.
Anyone who runs more than 20 yards in a straight line gets a black card.
Quote from: cuyahoga on September 22, 2014, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 22, 2014, 09:34:35 PM
There were 3 turning points in the game.
1. Odhran fumbling a routine pass which led to first goal.
2. Papa's kickout which led to second goal.
3. Colm's fisted effort hitting the post at the end.
When it's your day one, two or even all three of these will go your way. It was Kerry's day & good luck to them.
We had it our way against Dublin when all the breaks fell our way. Such is life.
You've hit the the nail on the head from where I saw it.
I think the substitution of David Moran so Sheehan could hit that late free from 50+ m might have been crucial. Made it a 3 point game.
I meant to comment on that earlier. That takes some faith in your technique. To come from a cold start and nail that one was huge for Sheehan. I was happy for him too, (sorry lads) because I remember him missing a kickable one v Tyrone back in 2008 I think which would have been a big score for Kerry too.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
Anyone who runs more than 20 yards in a straight line gets a black card.
The semi finals were things of beauty so no need to throw the baby out with bathwater.
Still I think we need something to stop the flooding of defences - maybe something like thirteen a side or the reverse of the offside rule so you are only allowed three attackers/three defenders inside twenty one yard line at any time.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 03:19:11 PM
Leo McLoone was involved in a couple of incidents like that where to my mind, the attacker had jumped into the contact.
The BJ Keane free was the exact same i.e. jump into tackler and fall over = free to attacker.
There's a bit of a trend in the jumping, not so much into the tackle but between tacklers and then hitting the deck when the arm comes out, not sure if its a foul as such, but certainly jumping into the man is, but between men, I'm not so sure.
On big Murphy at the end, he fairly led with the elbow as the kerry men were hanging off him, it would have taken a D8 dozer to stop him.
Quote from: bcarrier on September 23, 2014, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
Anyone who runs more than 20 yards in a straight line gets a black card.
The semi finals were things of beauty so no need to throw the baby out with bathwater.
Still I think we need something to stop the flooding of defences - maybe something like thirteen a side or the reverse of the offside rule so you are only allowed three attackers/three defenders inside twenty one yard line at any time.
You'll still have the same problem.
The only way to stop it is to designate players who can and who cannot be inside their own 45 yard line i.e. your six forwards have to stay out of there.
Get them to wear a red armband or something.
This doesn't stop defenders from attacking nor does it stop those attackers from defending, it just stops them dropping right back into their half back line.
Midfielders can go wherever they like.
This will henceforth be referred to as 'The Jinxy Rule'.
Roll on Congress!
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
I meant to comment on that earlier. That takes some faith in your technique. To come from a cold start and nail that one was huge for Sheehan. I was happy for him too, (sorry lads) because I remember him missing a kickable one v Tyrone back in 2008 I think which would have been a big score for Kerry too.
Outstanding piece of skill. Sheehan had one versus Mayo in first semi too which fell short.
For a man who says that managers role is made too much off Fitzmaurice made some outstanding calls in relation to match ups.
Whether Lacey got the block on O'Briens first ball in or not ( McStay seems to be source of that ?) they had a preplannned tactic to get Paul Geaney in there against a smaller man. Donaghy's idea apparently.
Paul Murphy was made for Ryan McHugh but would I think struggle against a more physical player. McBrearty was gave him plenty to think about when he came on and the Enright introduction helped close him down. Fitzmaurice knows his squads strengths and weaknesses and was very quick to act.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 23, 2014, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
Anyone who runs more than 20 yards in a straight line gets a black card.
The semi finals were things of beauty so no need to throw the baby out with bathwater.
Still I think we need something to stop the flooding of defences - maybe something like thirteen a side or the reverse of the offside rule so you are only allowed three attackers/three defenders inside twenty one yard line at any time.
You'll still have the same problem.
The only way to stop it is to designate players who can and who cannot be inside their own 45 yard line i.e. your six forwards have to stay out of there.
Get them to wear a red armband or something.
This doesn't stop defenders from attacking nor does it stop those attackers from defending, it just stops them dropping right back into their half back line.
Midfielders can go wherever they like.
This will henceforth be referred to as 'The Jinxy Rule'.
Roll on Congress!
That might work ??? but beware the Dublin 10 in a row :'(
The Jinxy Rule will not apply to teams playing against Dublin.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
The Jinxy Rule will not apply to teams playing against Dublin.
sorted :)
Quote from: bcarrier on September 23, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
I meant to comment on that earlier. That takes some faith in your technique. To come from a cold start and nail that one was huge for Sheehan. I was happy for him too, (sorry lads) because I remember him missing a kickable one v Tyrone back in 2008 I think which would have been a big score for Kerry too.
Outstanding piece of skill. Sheehan had one versus Mayo in first semi too which fell short.
For a man who says that managers role is made too much off Fitzmaurice made some outstanding calls in relation to match ups.
Whether Lacey got the block on O'Briens first ball in or not ( McStay seems to be source of that ?) they had a preplannned tactic to get Paul Geaney in there against a smaller man. Donaghy's idea apparently.
Paul Murphy was made for Ryan McHugh but would I think struggle against a more physical player. McBrearty was gave him plenty to think about when he came on and the Enright introduction helped close him down. Fitzmaurice knows his squads strengths and weaknesses and was very quick to act.
No doubt he remembered the time the pre-match hype was about whether Mayo would put David Brady or someone in to mark himself and Kerry proceeded to land high ball on top of Gooch and Dermot Geraghty which Gooch made hay off.
Fitzmaurice schooled Jimmy on Sunday. Jimmy probably had the full hand shown in the Dublin game but by God Fitzmaurice and Kerry made sure every angle was covered. Allowing them to take the short kickouts and work the ball up the field, playing the ball over and back when no avenue of attack was open - these wore Donegal down and left them a bit flat. Why Donegal didn't at least try a % of long kickouts just baffled me (especially if you'd seen the balls Durkan made of several short kickouts in the warmup).
They did though Seanie. I remember a few long kickouts by Durcan. The thing is Kerry won the majority of them either cleanly or from the break.
Very few AZ, especially in comparison to the Dublin game where hey won quite a few. I'd like to see some stats on it.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 23, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
Very few AZ, especially in comparison to the Dublin game where hey won quite a few. I'd like to see some stats on it.
A few stats here https://twitter.com/gaaapps/media maybe someone can do that picture link thing.
The Irish Times had stats on Moran Vs Gallagher in the paper Monday but cant see them online. They had virtually identical games in terms of possessions and tackles.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
They did though Seanie. I remember a few long kickouts by Durcan. The thing is Kerry won the majority of them either cleanly or from the break.
Carney even commented that after the Donaghy goal Durcan was constantly going long. He went long a lot and in the last 10 they won very few kickouts hence kerry's ability to hold on to possession and frustrate donegal.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:11:20 AM
Gaelic football badly needs a resurgent Meath team, and possibly a resurgent Down team, to lift all our spirits with their traditional style and panache.
And Offaly. We'd sort out this nonsense. Get the ball, kick it 60 yards, box a lad in the stomach and stick it in the onion bag. Stop for a fag, and plan your night's porter with the lad your marking, then get in a scrap. Catch the ball again, kick it another 60 yards.
If only Kerry had had a spy on your camp to suss those tactics, they'd have had that five in a row.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 23, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
Very few AZ, especially in comparison to the Dublin game where hey won quite a few. I'd like to see some stats on it.
Dublin don't have any traditional 'big men' in the middle though.
It made perfect sense for Durcan to go long against them.
Gallagher had two men either as big or bigger than him to deal with on Sunday.
There is something intrinsically wrong with a corner back standing at the junction of the sideline and 20 metre line, receiving a kickout. I'll need to watch the game again but my perception from being there was Donegal overdid the short kickouts and hey presto - paid for it.
You win very few games where you cannot get any ball around the middle.
Interesting stat on Kerry In Croke park at odds against ( lifted from betfair)
2014 Kerry at odds against beat Donegal. Kerry at odds against not beaten by Mayo
2013 Kerry odds against beaten by Dub
2012 Kerry favs beaten by Donegal
2011 Kerry favs beaten by Dubs
2010 Kerry favs beaten by Down
2009 Kerry not beaten. Kerry at Odds against beat Dublin
2008 Kerry favs beaten by Tyrone
2007 Kerry not beaten
2006 Kerry not beaten
2005 Kerry favs beaten by Tyrone
2004 Kerry not beaten
2003 Kerry favs beaten by Tyrone
2002 Kerry favs beaten by Armagh. Kerry at odds against beat Galway
2001 Kerry favs beaten by Meath
2000 Kerry not beaten
1999 Kerry not in Croke park
1998 Kerry favs beaten by Kildare
1997 Kerry at odds against beat Mayo
1996 Kerry favs beaten by Mayo
1995 Kerry not in Croke park
1994 Kerry not in Croke Park
1993 Kerry not in Croke Park
1992 Kerry not in Croke Park
1991 Kerry favs beaten by Down
1990 Kerry not in Croke Park
1989 Kerry not in Croke Park
1988 Kerry not in Croke Park
1987 Kerry not in Croke Park
1986 Kerry not beaten
1985 Kerry not beaten
1984 Kerry not beaten
1983 Kerry not in Croke Park
1982 Kerry favs beaten by Offaly
1981 Kerry not beaten
1980 Kerry not beaten
1979 Kerry not beaten
1978 Kerry not beaten. Kerry at odds against beat Dublin
1977 Kerry odds against beaten by Dublin
Yeah, that was a weird tactic alright.
The ball hung in the air for ages as well, which isn't really what you want from a short kick-out.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kerrys-adaptability-the-secret-of-success-288228.html
In school, we were taught one of the fundamental truths that it is not the strongest species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change.
Since 2000, the game of Gaelic Football has changed irrevocably.
In that period, Kerry have won six All-Irelands. Whether they know it or not, they have lived the Darwinian model. On Sunday, their adaptability once again sustained them, and left them as last team standing in September.
Was there an element of luck about Sunday's win? Being realistic, yes. Stephen O'Brien's shot in the opening minute wasn't meant to be half-blocked but Paul Geaney was exactly where he was told to be, one-on-one with the diminutive Paddy McGrath.
The next shot from Johnny Buckley wasn't meant to hit the post but a clever tap down from Geaney to Donaghy allowed him to clip a point with his left foot. Donegal keeper Paul Durcan certainly didn't mean to pass the ball to Donaghy in the 52nd minute and if he hadn't, there was no guarantee Kerry would have won. But by that stage Kerry had done what they had done in every game this year. They had adapted and ensured they were in front after the famous third quarter. It was the prerequisite that had to be delivered against such a systematic Donegal machine. Fortune favoured the brave and Durcan mis-kicked. The winners wrote the script.
Before Sunday's decider, Joe Brolly questioned whether Kerry would have enough time to develop a game plan to defeat Donegal. Brolly referred to the Donegal players' slavish adherence to their system and its robotic efficiency, four years in the making. He reasoned that Kerry would have had 11 days or a maximum of four training sessions to prepare and fully concentrate on the unforeseen opposition, especially after their own marathon replay with Mayo.
He was right insofar as the final was the most awkward tactical challenge on Kerry's journey. But Kerry don't revamp for anyone, they adapt within the context of their own abilities. What Brolly could not have appreciated was that it is Kerry's fundamentals that are so strong and dynamic with well-rounded footballers. Whatever adaptations are required thereafter can be absorbed far easier by non-robots. That system trumps all.
This season, the most significant adaptation Kerry actually made was after losing by ten points to Cork in the final round of the national league. At that point, the Kerry management realised they needed more protection at the back. Full-forwards were getting too good and their full-back line was getting too weak. It was hatched behind closed doors in Portugal and kept under wraps until the Munster final. Logically, we predicted something defensive coming, but the execution was excellent. Both wing-forwards were now dropping deep while Declan O'Sullivan dictated play as a sweeper. Their comfort in possession and kicking skills restricted Cork's time on the ball, another very clever way of lowering the opposition's attacks.
In the Cork game, they went 25 minutes without giving a pass away. That's as good a defensive system as you can have. They won the Munster final and by doing so, they were, essentially in with an 50/50 chance of making the All-Ireland final.
Since then, Kerry have only had to tweak their model to suit the opposition or indeed the occasion. Galway provided scrutiny with some penetration without ever really threatening to beat them. In this game, Kerry went 31 minutes without giving away a pass. It was enough to get them through, but lessons were learned. They didn't allow victory mask the issues. Peter Crowley had been loose with his fouling up to that point in the season but the risk-reward was now worth it. He was brought in to shore up the centre of their defence. The Declan O'Sullivan role was now open to analysis by opposition and like his knees, it was waning in effectiveness. The fresher legs of Stephen O'Brien, back from injury, were required for Mayo. Bryan Sheehan's injury looked to be disastrous given his Munster final display but David Moran was ready to step into his shoes. Adapt. Move on.
Against Mayo, they were nearly overtaken twice on the home straight but in the drawn game they threw Kieran Donaghy at the problem and so had to be given credit for solving it. The replay focused completely on his renaissance as a target man, a tactic which they discovered was Mayo's ultimate weakness. Different game, different adaptation.
On Sunday, they out-Donegaled Donegal. Unlike the cavalier approach of Dublin's half-back line and midfield, Kerry logically pulled the reins on their own half-backs. They played the game on their terms and Donegal's limitations were exposed. Against Dublin, Anthony Thompson, Paddy McGrath, Karl Lacey had scarpered into open country beyond an absent Dublin half-back line while Ryan McHugh ghosted in on second phase. Watching Donegal's warm-up, an incredible amount was dedicated towards replicating such moves as each Donegal player soloed in succession, hard down the centre of the field from the halfway line. In the game itself, Peter Crowley and Killian Young were back there, holding fast, waiting for these runners while Paul Murphy was detailed on McHugh and did a bit of scarpering himself in the open channels out wide. Adapt or Die. They kept moving forward.
The adaptability of this Kerry team has been grounded not in brilliant individuals but in the fact that their fundamentals are so strong. The strength and conditioning, the ball work, the honesty of effort and the belief has been the foundation of every performance. A reflection of their manager. No ego, just hard work on top of quality. Ironically, it was the Roy Keane/Jim McGuiness conversation that coined it: "Good players, very focused training at a very high intensity level is the magic formula".
The tactics become flexible, not pre-ordained. Post this 2014 All-Ireland win, no one's opinion is more valid than Declan O'Sullivan's. In the aftermath of Sunday's victory, he identified this high quality intensity in training as the primary difference for Kerry in 2014. The icing in the cake has been the development of a modern defensive approach that marries with their fluid style of football. The cherry on the top are the tweaks in tactics as Eamonn Fitzmaurice refers to them, bespoke to the opposition team in question.
Legendary ice hockey coach Scott Bowman is famous for acknowledging early in his career that in order to win games, he had better be ready to adapt. Darwin wasn't far wrong either. For Kerry, 11 days and four sessions was more than enough.
— Statistics courtesy of dontfoul (shining a light onto GAA stats). www. dontfoul.wordpress.com.
Small margins lads. Small margins.
Had O'Connors goal bound shot went in maybe a different outcome ?
Kerry were gone first semi final day.
Had Brogan scored a first half goal in the semi, Donegal could have been gone too.
Inches.
I read that the Rathmore club have provided 4 All-Ireland man of the match winners. Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan , Aidan O'Mahony and DJ Crowley (1969) .
Some achievement for one club. East Kerry Abu!
Quote from: orangeman on September 24, 2014, 11:20:31 AM
Small margins lads. Small margins.
Had O'Connors goal bound shot went in maybe a different outcome ?
Kerry were gone first semi final day.
Had Brogan scored a first half goal in the semi, Donegal could have been gone too.
Inches.
Never mind that. If the all officials didn't pass up two opportunities to give a 45 from that shot (GK saved it, defender then kicked it over the line) the result could have been different. Murphy probably would have tapped it over and Donegal would have went in a point up. Like you say the margins are so small, and its poor that multiple officials miss the glaringly obvious.
Quote from: HiMucker on September 24, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 24, 2014, 11:20:31 AM
Small margins lads. Small margins.
Had O'Connors goal bound shot went in maybe a different outcome ?
Kerry were gone first semi final day.
Had Brogan scored a first half goal in the semi, Donegal could have been gone too.
Inches.
Never mind that. If the all officials didn't pass up two opportunities to give a 45 from that shot (GK saved it, defender then kicked it over the line) the result could have been different. Murphy probably would have tapped it over and Donegal would have went in a point up. Like you say the margins are so small, and its poor that multiple officials miss the glaringly obvious.
you could forgive them for missing the touch off the keeper, but i really dont know how they didnt see the defender putting it out :-\
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:11:20 AM
Gaelic football badly needs a resurgent Meath team, and possibly a resurgent Down team, to lift all our spirits with their traditional style and panache.
I'm not even sure how you would describe Meath's style under O'Dowd but they don't look any different to most other county teams, I certainly haven't noticed them kicking the ball any more than most other teams. Much in the same way that Meath have long since lost their label as a hard physical team. Same goes with Down under McCartan (and it will be the same under McCorry), they never exactly played six forwards up the field and kicked the ball any more than any other side. Giving certain counties a label because of what a successful team representing their county done 20-30-40 years ago is outdated. Most counties in the modern game are simply different forms of the same clone in terms of playing style. What separates them first and foremost is the level of preparation and tactical approach undertaken and then secondly the calibre of player available to them. I'd much prefer if the rules leaned more towards a team with talent prevailing over preparation and tactical approach but it won't happen in the modern game.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2014, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 09:11:20 AM
Gaelic football badly needs a resurgent Meath team, and possibly a resurgent Down team, to lift all our spirits with their traditional style and panache.
I'm not even sure how you would describe Meath's style under O'Dowd but they don't look any different to most other county teams, I certainly haven't noticed them kicking the ball any more than most other teams. Much in the same way that Meath have long since lost their label as a hard physical team. Same goes with Down under McCartan (and it will be the same under McCorry), they never exactly played six forwards up the field and kicked the ball any more than any other side. Giving certain counties a label because of what a successful team representing their county done 20-30-40 years ago is outdated. Most counties in the modern game are simply different forms of the same clone in terms of playing style. What separates them first and foremost is the level of preparation and tactical approach undertaken and then secondly the calibre of player available to them. I'd much prefer if the rules leaned more towards a team with talent prevailing over preparation and tactical approach but it won't happen in the modern game.
Tactics are like kryptonite to us.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 24, 2014, 12:28:39 PM
I read that the Rathmore club have provided 4 All-Ireland man of the match winners. Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan , Aidan O'Mahony and DJ Crowley (1969) .
Some achievement for one club. East Kerry Abu!
Tom Sullivan was some player.
Great return by Rathmore alright.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 23, 2014, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 23, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
I meant to comment on that earlier. That takes some faith in your technique. To come from a cold start and nail that one was huge for Sheehan. I was happy for him too, (sorry lads) because I remember him missing a kickable one v Tyrone back in 2008 I think which would have been a big score for Kerry too.
Outstanding piece of skill. Sheehan had one versus Mayo in first semi too which fell short.
For a man who says that managers role is made too much off Fitzmaurice made some outstanding calls in relation to match ups.
Whether Lacey got the block on O'Briens first ball in or not ( McStay seems to be source of that ?) they had a preplannned tactic to get Paul Geaney in there against a smaller man. Donaghy's idea apparently.
Paul Murphy was made for Ryan McHugh but would I think struggle against a more physical player. McBrearty was gave him plenty to think about when he came on and the Enright introduction helped close him down. Fitzmaurice knows his squads strengths and weaknesses and was very quick to act.
No doubt he remembered the time the pre-match hype was about whether Mayo would put David Brady or someone in to mark himself and Kerry proceeded to land high ball on top of Gooch and Dermot Geraghty which Gooch made hay off.
Fitzmaurice schooled Jimmy on Sunday. Jimmy probably had the full hand shown in the Dublin game but by God Fitzmaurice and Kerry made sure every angle was covered. Allowing them to take the short kickouts and work the ball up the field, playing the ball over and back when no avenue of attack was open - these wore Donegal down and left them a bit flat. Why Donegal didn't at least try a % of long kickouts just baffled me (especially if you'd seen the balls Durkan made of several short kickouts in the warmup).
We had just switched Pat Kelly onto the Gooch when the high ball started. It didn't matter, he won the first one and goaled.
Quote from: bcarrier on September 24, 2014, 10:37:45 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kerrys-adaptability-the-secret-of-success-288228.html
In school, we were taught one of the fundamental truths that it is not the strongest species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change.
Since 2000, the game of Gaelic Football has changed irrevocably.
In that period, Kerry have won six All-Irelands. Whether they know it or not, they have lived the Darwinian model. On Sunday, their adaptability once again sustained them, and left them as last team standing in September.
Was there an element of luck about Sunday's win? Being realistic, yes. Stephen O'Brien's shot in the opening minute wasn't meant to be half-blocked but Paul Geaney was exactly where he was told to be, one-on-one with the diminutive Paddy McGrath.
The next shot from Johnny Buckley wasn't meant to hit the post but a clever tap down from Geaney to Donaghy allowed him to clip a point with his left foot. Donegal keeper Paul Durcan certainly didn't mean to pass the ball to Donaghy in the 52nd minute and if he hadn't, there was no guarantee Kerry would have won. But by that stage Kerry had done what they had done in every game this year. They had adapted and ensured they were in front after the famous third quarter. It was the prerequisite that had to be delivered against such a systematic Donegal machine. Fortune favoured the brave and Durcan mis-kicked. The winners wrote the script.
Before Sunday's decider, Joe Brolly questioned whether Kerry would have enough time to develop a game plan to defeat Donegal. Brolly referred to the Donegal players' slavish adherence to their system and its robotic efficiency, four years in the making. He reasoned that Kerry would have had 11 days or a maximum of four training sessions to prepare and fully concentrate on the unforeseen opposition, especially after their own marathon replay with Mayo.
He was right insofar as the final was the most awkward tactical challenge on Kerry's journey. But Kerry don't revamp for anyone, they adapt within the context of their own abilities. What Brolly could not have appreciated was that it is Kerry's fundamentals that are so strong and dynamic with well-rounded footballers. Whatever adaptations are required thereafter can be absorbed far easier by non-robots. That system trumps all.
This season, the most significant adaptation Kerry actually made was after losing by ten points to Cork in the final round of the national league. At that point, the Kerry management realised they needed more protection at the back. Full-forwards were getting too good and their full-back line was getting too weak. It was hatched behind closed doors in Portugal and kept under wraps until the Munster final. Logically, we predicted something defensive coming, but the execution was excellent. Both wing-forwards were now dropping deep while Declan O'Sullivan dictated play as a sweeper. Their comfort in possession and kicking skills restricted Cork's time on the ball, another very clever way of lowering the opposition's attacks.
In the Cork game, they went 25 minutes without giving a pass away. That's as good a defensive system as you can have. They won the Munster final and by doing so, they were, essentially in with an 50/50 chance of making the All-Ireland final.
Since then, Kerry have only had to tweak their model to suit the opposition or indeed the occasion. Galway provided scrutiny with some penetration without ever really threatening to beat them. In this game, Kerry went 31 minutes without giving away a pass. It was enough to get them through, but lessons were learned. They didn't allow victory mask the issues. Peter Crowley had been loose with his fouling up to that point in the season but the risk-reward was now worth it. He was brought in to shore up the centre of their defence. The Declan O'Sullivan role was now open to analysis by opposition and like his knees, it was waning in effectiveness. The fresher legs of Stephen O'Brien, back from injury, were required for Mayo. Bryan Sheehan's injury looked to be disastrous given his Munster final display but David Moran was ready to step into his shoes. Adapt. Move on.
Against Mayo, they were nearly overtaken twice on the home straight but in the drawn game they threw Kieran Donaghy at the problem and so had to be given credit for solving it. The replay focused completely on his renaissance as a target man, a tactic which they discovered was Mayo's ultimate weakness. Different game, different adaptation.
On Sunday, they out-Donegaled Donegal. Unlike the cavalier approach of Dublin's half-back line and midfield, Kerry logically pulled the reins on their own half-backs. They played the game on their terms and Donegal's limitations were exposed. Against Dublin, Anthony Thompson, Paddy McGrath, Karl Lacey had scarpered into open country beyond an absent Dublin half-back line while Ryan McHugh ghosted in on second phase. Watching Donegal's warm-up, an incredible amount was dedicated towards replicating such moves as each Donegal player soloed in succession, hard down the centre of the field from the halfway line. In the game itself, Peter Crowley and Killian Young were back there, holding fast, waiting for these runners while Paul Murphy was detailed on McHugh and did a bit of scarpering himself in the open channels out wide. Adapt or Die. They kept moving forward.
The adaptability of this Kerry team has been grounded not in brilliant individuals but in the fact that their fundamentals are so strong. The strength and conditioning, the ball work, the honesty of effort and the belief has been the foundation of every performance. A reflection of their manager. No ego, just hard work on top of quality. Ironically, it was the Roy Keane/Jim McGuiness conversation that coined it: "Good players, very focused training at a very high intensity level is the magic formula".
The tactics become flexible, not pre-ordained. Post this 2014 All-Ireland win, no one's opinion is more valid than Declan O'Sullivan's. In the aftermath of Sunday's victory, he identified this high quality intensity in training as the primary difference for Kerry in 2014. The icing in the cake has been the development of a modern defensive approach that marries with their fluid style of football. The cherry on the top are the tweaks in tactics as Eamonn Fitzmaurice refers to them, bespoke to the opposition team in question.
Legendary ice hockey coach Scott Bowman is famous for acknowledging early in his career that in order to win games, he had better be ready to adapt. Darwin wasn't far wrong either. For Kerry, 11 days and four sessions was more than enough.
— Statistics courtesy of dontfoul (shining a light onto GAA stats). www. dontfoul.wordpress.com.
Excellent article, thanks for posting up. The stats relating to minutes without giving away a pass are astonishing - would love to see comparable stats for other sides. I'd imagine Dublin could run this close at times.
Seanie there are more stats on that blog. Most of Dublin here http://dontfoul.wordpress.com/category/leinster-sfc/
First post since Sunday. Shattered physically, but elated. What a day and what an achievement by Fitzmaurice/Cian O'Neill especially.
Horrible game for neutrals I can imagine, but that was always going to be the case given the situation.
It's seriously hard to win back to back All Ireland's obviously, but can't wait to see these lads have a crack off it and regardless what happens, the future looks ok which wasn't what i was thinking 2 years ago.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 24, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
First post since Sunday. Shattered physically, but elated. What a day and what an achievement by Fitzmaurice/Cian O'Neill especially.
Horrible game for neutrals I can imagine, but that was always going to be the case given the situation.
It's seriously hard to win back to back All Ireland's obviously, but can't wait to see these lads have a crack off it and regardless what happens, the future looks ok which wasn't what i was thinking 2 years ago.
Cian O'Neill seems to have had a huge influence on proceedings alongside Fitzmaurice - both come across very well.
Foot block on McBrearty before McFadden hit post? Penalty for Donegal?
Quoteyou could forgive them for missing the touch off the keeper, but i really dont know how they didnt see the defender putting it out :-\
Cos Kerry are given every opportunity to win...simple as. Every other team needs to beat the 15 in green and gold as well as the officials. Kerry will never get a man set off regardless...which is why they made this AIF instead of Mayo. Its all a complete joke...not that its any fault of the Kerry players themselves.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 22, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 22, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
there is a risk that this years All-Ireland will be re-named the Joe Brolly Cup, in the same way that 2003 was the pat Spillane cup.
So the final yesterday wasn't a "great advert for the game" but where the f**k is the instruction manual which says that "EVERY FINAL MUST BE PLAYED TO A SUPERLATIVE LEVEL OF STYLE AND PANACHE"
I say f**k joe Brolly and his opinion about puke football in the same way i said f**k Pat Spillane and his opinion of Tyrone in 2003.
The All-Ireland is for winning - its not a beauty contest. We were spoiled by the highest standards of the semi finals which preceded yesterday, and it it is completely wrong to be-grudge Kerry as winners or castigate Donegal for losing.
It is what it is.
Zeitgeist. Its the spirit of now...its how football is played today.
Brolly was w**king on last night about "clubs up and down the country will be mimicking this style of football.."
Really?
Crossmaglen will change? as will Ballinderry...and of course Dr Crokes and Castlebar and St Vincents
Will they f**k....in the same way as the semifinals didnt make everyone want to play like Mayo, Dublin etc...
That is the beauty of our code - that there is a dogged determination to win, where the medal and cup means more than any money.
Fair play to Kerry...enjoy it...you deserve it. Commiserations Donegal...roll on 2015.
Tyrone Abu
Club teams don't have to mimic it- they are long doing it.
Kerry crowed long enough about puke football. Brolly is quite right in saying that the irony this morning really is quite something
Kerry popped their cherry and entered the dark side yesterday
There is no going back for them
The biggest irony is that spillane was still proclaiming them as the purists of football.
I have absolutly no problem with the way kerry played yesterday, every team is entitled to play whatever way they want within the rules to give themselves the best chance of winning.
It didnt make for the greatest of spectle, but thats not thier problem.
What is hard to stomach is listening to Pat spouting that only donegal in the last 5 years had won an allireland playing defensive football. Did he not watch yesterdays game?
He has given out yards in the past about mcguiness playing the best FF in irealnd out round the middle of the feild, but not a word about it yesterday when Kerry did the same with james odonaghue.
In fairness, that is a reaction.
JOD has played inside in the FF line all year and has been scoring for fun.
Murphy plays out around the middle as a rule now because his manager has decided that's where he wants him to play.
Can people really not get the difference between being forced to play a particular style of football and choosing to play a particular style of football?
Here i would go with Jinxy .
Indiana I think you have overreacted towards Kerry's style.
I'd regard what they did as a horse for the course, whereas Donegal just do it as default even though they have the player ability to do it with some class.
Tactically, Kerry have more tools in their box. I wouldn't regard it as the last straw that Kerry resorted to that style in order to beat Donegal.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 25, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
Quoteyou could forgive them for missing the touch off the keeper, but i really dont know how they didnt see the defender putting it out :-\
Cos Kerry are given every opportunity to win...simple as. Every other team needs to beat the 15 in green and gold as well as the officials. Kerry will never get a man set off regardless...which is why they made this AIF instead of Mayo. Its all a complete joke...not that its any fault of the Kerry players themselves.
Never get a man sent off? Tell that to the o'Ses, Paul Galvin et al. Maybe you don't remember them being sent off because normally they don't appeal, so there isn't so much drama.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 25, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
Quoteyou could forgive them for missing the touch off the keeper, but i really dont know how they didnt see the defender putting it out :-\
Cos Kerry are given every opportunity to win...simple as. Every other team needs to beat the 15 in green and gold as well as the officials. Kerry will never get a man set off regardless...which is why they made this AIF instead of Mayo. Its all a complete joke...not that its any fault of the Kerry players themselves.
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One of the greatest pleasures of the last few days has been sitting back and reading the whining from (some of) the Nordies.
Its like finishing a wonderful meal and the host keeps coming back and shoving dessert in front of you !
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 25, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
Quoteyou could forgive them for missing the touch off the keeper, but i really dont know how they didnt see the defender putting it out :-\
Cos Kerry are given every opportunity to win...simple as. Every other team needs to beat the 15 in green and gold as well as the officials. Kerry will never get a man set off regardless...which is why they made this AIF instead of Mayo. Its all a complete joke...not that its any fault of the Kerry players themselves.
While Enright should have walked twice in that first half and Cormac Reilly rode us royally ( see that for writing from a Mayo man too!!! ;D) the real reason we lost out to Kerry was we didn't close out the game the first day ( 5 points up on 65 mins) then we missed a glorious goal chance in the first half of extra time in the replay to put us 5 points up. Those are the small margins under our control that cost us this year but hopefully we will be back in the next couple of years to make up for them. Well done Kerry though as sweet an All Ireland won for many years I would say.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Hopefully you will ;D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
One of the greatest pleasures of the last few days has been sitting back and reading the whining from (some of) the Nordies.
Its like finishing a wonderful meal and the host keeps coming back and shoving dessert in front of you !
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Has there been many Nordies slagging Kerry?? Even Donegal are giving them the plaudits. There's more Dubs giving out about ye!
Quote from: screenexile on September 26, 2014, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
One of the greatest pleasures of the last few days has been sitting back and reading the whining from (some of) the Nordies.
Its like finishing a wonderful meal and the host keeps coming back and shoving dessert in front of you !
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Has there been many Nordies slagging Kerry?? Even Donegal are giving them the plaudits. There's more Dubs giving out about ye!
???
Quote from: J OGorman on September 26, 2014, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 26, 2014, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
One of the greatest pleasures of the last few days has been sitting back and reading the whining from (some of) the Nordies.
Its like finishing a wonderful meal and the host keeps coming back and shoving dessert in front of you !
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Has there been many Nordies slagging Kerry?? Even Donegal are giving them the plaudits. There's more Dubs giving out about ye!
???
Sure I was just quoting the language the man himself used!
Quote from: screenexile on September 26, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 26, 2014, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 26, 2014, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
One of the greatest pleasures of the last few days has been sitting back and reading the whining from (some of) the Nordies.
Its like finishing a wonderful meal and the host keeps coming back and shoving dessert in front of you !
I'm fit to burst at this stage lads ;D
Has there been many Nordies slagging Kerry?? Even Donegal are giving them the plaudits. There's more Dubs giving out about ye!
???
Sure I was just quoting the language the man himself used!
lets get him!
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
In fairness most of the bitter posts have come from the Dubs, if one peruses all the gaa forums and the most predominantly ulster county with a gripe is Antrim, hilarious, if they came from a successful county they would bring hubris to another level , the Donegal supporters have shown class.
What forums?? On here??
I don't know (m)any antrim supporters who've lost any sleep over it!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Ah Mike I am shocked that any Kerryman would read what Brolly has to say. Sure he only has one All Ireland medal :D. There is still a few Mayo men walking around today with two All Ireland medal's in their back pocket!! ;D ;D
Quote from: mlcollins on September 26, 2014, 04:47:10 PM
In fairness most of the bitter posts have come from the Dubs, if one peruses all the gaa forums and the most predominantly ulster county with a gripe is Antrim, hilarious, if they came from a successful county they would bring hubris to another level , the Donegal supporters have shown class.
Donegal are sound, when they beat us in 2012 they were sound about it as well so its not a winning v losing thing with them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
What forums?? On here??
I don't know (m)any antrim supporters who've lost any sleep over it!
Obviously when I stated forums, it was plural, I was inferring to hoganstand in particular and it is very evident from the various threads there that a disproportionate amount of Antrim posters have some issues with Kerry football, maybe you might carry out a bit of research before you decide to comment.
Quote from: mlcollins on September 26, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
What forums?? On here??
I don't know (m)any antrim supporters who've lost any sleep over it!
Obviously when I stated forums, it was plural, I inferring to hoganstand in particular and it is very evident from the various threads there that a disproportionate amount of Antrim posters have some issues with Kerry football, maybe you might carry out a bit of research before you decide to comment.
:o The s on the end did give the plural away. Maybe responses like that rub people up the wrong way and that's why some might generalise and dislike Kerry. I'll be sure to check the whole internet next time someone posts a comment like yours ???
Quote from: mlcollins on September 26, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
What forums?? On here??
I don't know (m)any antrim supporters who've lost any sleep over it!
Obviously when I stated forums, it was plural, I was inferring to hoganstand in particular and it is very evident from the various threads there that a disproportionate amount of Antrim posters have some issues with Kerry football, maybe you might carry out a bit of research before you decide to comment.
Hardstation is an unfunny dickhead for sure. His comments about Declan O'Sullivan were a disgrace. Not sure if there are too many other Antrim posters on here though.
Not here for sure but in other forums definitely and I know they are of no relevance to this forum but I was attempting to give the mean value attitude of the Antrim poster from an overall perspective.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on September 26, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
What forums?? On here??
I don't know (m)any antrim supporters who've lost any sleep over it!
Obviously when I stated forums, it was plural, I inferring to hoganstand in particular and it is very evident from the various threads there that a disproportionate amount of Antrim posters have some issues with Kerry football, maybe you might carry out a bit of research before you decide to comment.
In fairness you're correct, apologies for the genus of my post, not merited, I was focussing on your definitive statement re: m(any) antrim posters.
:o The s on the end did give the plural away. Maybe responses like that rub people up the wrong way and that's why some might generalise and dislike Kerry. I'll be sure to check the whole internet next time someone posts a comment like yours ???
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 26, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
still a few Mayo men walking around today with two All Ireland medal's in their back pocket!! ;D ;D
Must be a lot of housebreaking going in Rhuland on if men in their 80s have to carry their valuables in their back pockets :-\
Hardstation , an apt user name if there ever was, is that a saying In nordie land "dry them", what exactly is Mike ment to dry, I would have thought it would have been you drying your eyes when Kerry won the all-Ireland.
Tony Leen interviews Fitzmaurice
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/eamonn-fitzmaurice-opens-the-lid-on-kerry-gaas-mission-to-reclaim-sam-maguire-288827.html
examiner really is a great sports paper.
Two Paul Murphy's won AI medals this year. One for Kerry, the other Kilkenny.
Has two men with the same name ever won an AI senior hurling and football medal in the same year? (not including Teddy McCarthy).
Quote from: BennyCake on September 28, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Two Paul Murphy's won AI medals this year. One for Kerry, the other Kilkenny.
Has two men with the same name ever won an AI senior hurling and football medal in the same year? (not including Teddy McCarthy).
Tommy Walsh in 09
Quote from: BennyCake on September 28, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Two Paul Murphy's won AI medals this year. One for Kerry, the other Kilkenny.
Has two men with the same name ever won an AI senior hurling and football medal in the same year? (not including Teddy McCarthy).
Did the Kerry panel not have Sex the same time as Wexford in the 90s?
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 28, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Two Paul Murphy's won AI medals this year. One for Kerry, the other Kilkenny.
Has two men with the same name ever won an AI senior hurling and football medal in the same year? (not including Teddy McCarthy).
Did the Kerry panel not have Sex the same time as Wexford in the 90s?
On a Saturday night?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 24, 2014, 12:28:39 PM
I read that the Rathmore club have provided 4 All-Ireland man of the match winners. Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan , Aidan O'Mahony and DJ Crowley (1969) .
Some achievement for one club. East Kerry Abu!
Another good piece about Rathmore.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rathmores-slow-train-coming-after-triumphant-victory-30620954.html
Quote from: orangeman on September 28, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 24, 2014, 12:28:39 PM
I read that the Rathmore club have provided 4 All-Ireland man of the match winners. Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan , Aidan O'Mahony and DJ Crowley (1969) .
Some achievement for one club. East Kerry Abu!
Another good piece about Rathmore.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rathmores-slow-train-coming-after-triumphant-victory-30620954.html
None of the 4 mentioned above made the Kerry minors.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 28, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Two Paul Murphy's won AI medals this year. One for Kerry, the other Kilkenny.
Has two men with the same name ever won an AI senior hurling and football medal in the same year? (not including Teddy McCarthy).
Did the Kerry panel not have Sex the same time as Wexford in the 90s?
Bill Sex?
He played for Kildare.
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
6 years since your last AI appearance...8 million sunk in that centre of "excellence"...Mickey Harte running out of ideas.I can see why you would be hitting out at the Kingdom and trying to rain on our parade.
I thought of all you lads while listening to this in croker as the the waning september light cast it's shadows on the field of Kerry dreams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRPbEgQqnNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRPbEgQqnNQ)
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Quote from: mlcollins on October 02, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 02, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
It came down to the width of a post and a gifted goal. Donegal were flat and lacked any intensity. Kerry hardly mastered their system. Fine margins and all that...
I hoped Donegal would win but wasn't too disappointed that Kerry won, but reading all the Kerry posts since about their pure football, genius players and setup is sickening. Kerry fans, just accept that the match was brutal, both teams as poor as each other and Kerry shaded it on the day. On any other day it could have been so different. Your playing method is as puke as anybody's else's and you're not the saviours of football.
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
I'd nearly start going around telling everyone we're the saviours of the game at this stage since we'll end up getting accused of it whether we do or not.
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 02, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
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QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
That nordie bitterness is epidemic up there, must be due to a foreign climate compared to us down here in our own country, anyway there is a difference between puke football and thugery and ye were masters of both, I'm sure Mickey was proud of same, biters, eye gougers and trash talkers, a group of skangers, so much to be proud of and re: yere crowd of thugs and Armagh, well we handed yere asses on a plate on the last occasions we played ye and if I recall we are the current all-Ireland champions, now suck on your lemons.
Quote from: red hander
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
Galway must have dozens of Liams so on that basis.
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 02, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
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QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
That nordie bitterness is epidemic up there, must be due to a foreign climate compared to us down here in our own country, anyway there is a difference between puke football and thugery and ye were masters of both, I'm sure Mickey was proud of same, biters, eye gougers and trash talkers, a group of skangers, so much to be proud of and re: yere crowd of thugs and Armagh, well we handed yere asses on a plate on the last occasions we played ye and if I recall we are the current all-Ireland champions, now suck on your lemons.
Oh the irony of someone with such a user name coming out with such a pathetic response. Total lack of class, but not surprising considering the Kerry attitude to being beaten by us peasants from Tyrone. Kerry can hand us our arses in as many league games as they want, who cares? Just as long as you're wearing your brown shorts when we see you at Croker ... that's if you can be bothered travelling up to Dublin if it's a quarter final or semi-final ;)
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
Anyone can play beautiful football against Waterford, Clare or Tipperary. Even those Dromintee lads in their jeans could manage that.
What are you bittering about? What I said is all facts.
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
As I have said before, there is a deep well of resentment in the Nordies due to the fact that we would not acknowledge them as equals. They crave our respect and the fact that we did not give it has driven them into paroxysms of rage. You can just picture Red Hander and Bennycake banging away at their keyboard then going to bed cradling a copy of "Kerry's Golden years", crying over unrequited love <sigh>
Face it lads, ye will always be the ugly sibling. Turning up to Croke park with ye're dour , Presbyterian infused systems , running up and down the field in raging packs, angry at the GAA world for not tipping the hat to ye. Meanwhile the bould Kingdom boys swan in kicking glorious points, snatching audacious goals and coining nifty catchphrases as the GAA world swoons.
You so wish you were us ;)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
As I have said before, there is a deep well of resentment in the Nordies due to the fact that we would not acknowledge them as equals. They crave our respect and the fact that we did not give it has driven them into paroxysms of rage. You can just picture Red Hander and Bennycake banging away at their keyboard then going to bed cradling a copy of "Kerry's Golden years", crying over unrequited love <sigh>
Face it lads, ye will always be the ugly sibling. Turning up to Croke park with ye're dour , Presbyterian infused systems , running up and down the field in raging packs, angry at the GAA world for not tipping the hat to ye. Meanwhile the bould Kingdom boys swan in kicking glorious points, snatching audacious goals and coining nifty catchphrases as the GAA world swoons.
You so wish you were us ;)
Oh please, please acknowledge us as equals, we so crave your respect, we are not worthy ... ;D Respect? Respect? Just look how much respect we show you every time we get you in Croker. That's how much respect we have for youse bunch of calvers :P
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 02, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 26, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
more of it......
QuoteJOE BROLLY will incur even more wrath from Kerry after his latest inflammatory comments about their All-Ireland success.
The RTE pundit is particularly scathing in his column for Ulster GAA newspaper 'Gaelic Life' this week."If Tyrone introduced puke football then Kerry were the little girl in 'The Exorcist' whose head revolves as she machine-guns the walls with a torrent of vomit," Brolly says."The 2014 All-Ireland final duly enters the annals as the worst final ever. The first quarter of the second half was afterwards described by Kieran Donaghy as 'feeling like about three years'," he adds.
"If it felt like that for one of the players, spare a thought for the rest of us."He argues that Jimmy McGuinness' "monster is already sweeping through club football".Now that it has the endorsement of the Kingdom, that process will accelerate."They will celebrate in Kerry but, for the first time ever, no one else will," Brolly alleges."We could all share in the previous 36 wins, dreaming of being those boys some day ourselves: Jacko, Micko, Pat, Maurice and The Gooch.Travesty"But no one wants any part of Sunday's joyless, ugly travesty. So well done Kerry, but you can get off your high horse now."Maybe it's only puke football if someone else is playing it," he concludes.Kerry star Donaghy had a lash at Brolly in the immediate aftermath last Sunday for a previous column he had written saying the Kingdom's 'production line' had dried up.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-spewed-a-torrent-of-vomit-football-joe-brolly-30616858.html)
Very ungrateful of Donaghy to have a go at the gimp considering he's always so far up 'Star's' hole on RTE that the two of them probably should get a room. Saying that, it's the only time I've agreed with Brolly, the noble (in their own minds) Kerry have brought us vomit football par excellence with enough half-digested carrots and sweetcorn to fill poor Sam up to the brim...
Red hander, we are NOBLE, we are after all Kerry, as Jack o connor said ye were only the Nouveau riche, mutton dressed as lamb, enjoy yere 3 all-Irelands, we enjoy our 37 and counting but especially our 37th and of course sam beag, you see that's what the nobility usually do, now off with you,you peasant.
Aye, noble and patronising as long as you were winning, but the minute Armagh and ourselves handed you your arses in Croke Park that attitude completely changed. Jack O'Connor? Mickey had him in his back pocket. And sure any county that had only one real match to play (and that was only when Cork could be bothered, which was only half the time) to get into an All-Ireland semi-final would expect to win plenty of Sams. You are the true masters of vomit football centred on the basic tactic of hoofing the ball up to the big fella on the edge of the square
That nordie bitterness is epidemic up there, must be due to a foreign climate compared to us down here in our own country, anyway there is a difference between puke football and thugery and ye were masters of both, I'm sure Mickey was proud of same, biters, eye gougers and trash talkers, a group of skangers, so much to be proud of and re: yere crowd of thugs and Armagh, well we handed yere asses on a plate on the last occasions we played ye and if I recall we are the current all-Ireland champions, now suck on your lemons.
Oh the irony of someone with such a user name coming out with such a pathetic response. Total lack of class, but not surprising considering the Kerry attitude to being beaten by us peasants from Tyrone. Kerry can hand us our arses in as many league games as they want, who cares? Just as long as you're wearing your brown shorts when we see you at Croker ... that's if you can be bothered travelling up to Dublin if it's a quarter final or semi-final ;)
The irony here is a tyrone native using the word class, ye wouldn't know class if it hit ye in the face and now listen lad the 2014 all-ireland has gone to, yes the Kingdom, the aristocrats of the game, it must give great pain to the nordies and Mike is right we have never looked upon ye as our equals more as an irritant that has to be eradicated but then being from a foreign land ye come from a different mind set from us freestaters and re: Collins, it was your sort he fought against in the civil war and don't forget the last championship match between our countrys ;) , well by my recollection we put yere asses on the bacon slicer, nouveau riche indeed, class, what a laugh.
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
As I have said before, there is a deep well of resentment in the Nordies due to the fact that we would not acknowledge them as equals. They crave our respect and the fact that we did not give it has driven them into paroxysms of rage. You can just picture Red Hander and Bennycake banging away at their keyboard then going to bed cradling a copy of "Kerry's Golden years", crying over unrequited love <sigh>
Face it lads, ye will always be the ugly sibling. Turning up to Croke park with ye're dour , Presbyterian infused systems , running up and down the field in raging packs, angry at the GAA world for not tipping the hat to ye. Meanwhile the bould Kingdom boys swan in kicking glorious points, snatching audacious goals and coining nifty catchphrases as the GAA world swoons.
You so wish you were us ;)
Oh please, please acknowledge us as equals, we so crave your respect, we are not worthy ... ;D Respect? Respect? Just look how much respect we show you every time we get you in Croker. That's how much respect we have for youse bunch of calvers :P
I suppose Tyrones lack of graciousness in victory gives a clue to why they could never do back to back. It betrayed an inferiority complex which they could never quite overcome. Deep down they knew they didn't belong on the great stage.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
Anyone can play beautiful football against Waterford, Clare or Tipperary. Even those Dromintee lads in their jeans could manage that.
What are you bittering about? What I said is all facts.
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m520z0XJyZ1rquf2k.gif)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 08:26:37 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
As I have said before, there is a deep well of resentment in the Nordies due to the fact that we would not acknowledge them as equals. They crave our respect and the fact that we did not give it has driven them into paroxysms of rage. You can just picture Red Hander and Bennycake banging away at their keyboard then going to bed cradling a copy of "Kerry's Golden years", crying over unrequited love <sigh>
Face it lads, ye will always be the ugly sibling. Turning up to Croke park with ye're dour , Presbyterian infused systems , running up and down the field in raging packs, angry at the GAA world for not tipping the hat to ye. Meanwhile the bould Kingdom boys swan in kicking glorious points, snatching audacious goals and coining nifty catchphrases as the GAA world swoons.
You so wish you were us ;)
Oh please, please acknowledge us as equals, we so crave your respect, we are not worthy ... ;D Respect? Respect? Just look how much respect we show you every time we get you in Croker. That's how much respect we have for youse bunch of calvers :P
I suppose Tyrones lack of graciousness in victory gives a clue to why they could never do back to back. It betrayed an inferiority complex which they could never quite overcome. Deep down they knew they didn't belong on the great stage.
Are you still biting at every comment people make against Kerry? ;D You make it too easy these days Mikey!
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 09:09:03 PM
Are you still biting at every comment people make against Kerry? ;D You make it too easy these days Mikey!
Who are the fish and who is the fisherman ?
You lads use dynamite.....my bait is your envy ;)
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
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2006 and 2007 were not years in which real football took place.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
As I have said before, there is a deep well of resentment in the Nordies due to the fact that we would not acknowledge them as equals. They crave our respect and the fact that we did not give it has driven them into paroxysms of rage. You can just picture Red Hander and Bennycake banging away at their keyboard then going to bed cradling a copy of "Kerry's Golden years", crying over unrequited love <sigh>
Face it lads, ye will always be the ugly sibling. Turning up to Croke park with ye're dour , Presbyterian infused systems , running up and down the field in raging packs, angry at the GAA world for not tipping the hat to ye. Meanwhile the bould Kingdom boys swan in kicking glorious points, snatching audacious goals and coining nifty catchphrases as the GAA world swoons.
You so wish you were us ;)
That says more about Kerry folk to be honest. Ulster teams continually beat Kerry in big games, and you can't handle it. It's difficult losing, but at least have respect for your opponents and admit they deserved to win. Obviously, you're not capable of that in Kerry.
You are not proper footballers though. Systems are beaten into you.
Sure there is no joy in that.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2014, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
2006 and 2007 were not years in which real football took place.
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The quality was supernatural in those years alright. I will grant you that much.
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
Anyone can play beautiful football against Waterford, Clare or Tipperary. Even those Dromintee lads in their jeans could manage that.
What are you bittering about? What I said is all facts.
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Now, feel free to respond to my other points. I won't hold my breath though.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Can't we all just get along.
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Can't we all just get along.
I don't think so
Ulster says no. Kerry says yes.
Therein lies the difference.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2014, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
2006 and 2007 were not years in which real football took place.
[/quote]From a county with one all-Ireland you have a big mouth, but if you mean real football, you mean the foreign trash ye play well ye can keep it, the freestaters played some beautiful football those years, ye were not good to dine at the table.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
Anyone can play beautiful football against Waterford, Clare or Tipperary. Even those Dromintee lads in their jeans could manage that.
What are you bittering about? What I said is all facts.
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Now, feel free to respond to my other points. I won't hold my breath though.
Give it up, you are only babbling now, pathetic.
The nordies are not so impressive on the back foot.
I always suspected that to be the case...only sing when they are winning etc, etc
I'm sure 'they shot the wrong mlcollins' was said on this thread before, but I'll say it now anyway.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:45:43 PM
You are not proper footballers though. Systems are beaten into you.
Sure there is no joy in that.
Where's the joy in just hoofing a big ball into the full forward? You're the Wimbledon FC of the GAA, route one vomit-miesters with more onfield cynicism throughout the pitch than a whole team of Riceys. You stank the place out against Donegal and it was brutal to watch, brutal. We showed yis how to play total football in 2005 and 2008, two AIs widely recognised as two of the best finals in the last 20-25 years. How you can have any pride in that display last month is beyond me and most of the GAA watching public in the country ... hold your heads in shame.
Time to lock this thread as it's beginning to look like a row between 4 year olds.
Quote from: red hander on October 03, 2014, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:45:43 PM
You are not proper footballers though. Systems are beaten into you.
Sure there is no joy in that.
Where's the joy in just hoofing a big ball into the full forward? You're the Wimbledon FC of the GAA, route one vomit-miesters with more onfield cynicism throughout the pitch than a whole team of Riceys. You stank the place out against Donegal and it was brutal to watch, brutal. We showed yis how to play total football in 2005 and 2008, two AIs widely recognised as two of the best finals in the last 20-25 years. How you can have any pride in that display last month is beyond me and most of the GAA watching public in the country ... hold your heads in shame.
One of the aesthetic pleasures of Gaelic football is high fielding. I know this art died out in Ulster along with the dinosaurs but it is an essential part of our game down south.
It is tragic that Ulster youngsters are so chained to the ground.
Let the freebirds fly.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 03, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
Time to lock this thread as it's beginning to look like a row between 4 year olds.
It is only a bit of craic. Chill out.
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 03, 2014, 10:12:17 PM
I'm sure 'they shot the wrong mlcollins' was said on this thread before, but I'll say it now anyway.
Is that a threat Farrandeelin, or are you just a keyboard warrior, Knockmore, LOL.
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 03, 2014, 10:12:17 PM
I'm sure 'they shot the wrong mlcollins' was said on this thread before, but I'll say it now anyway.
Is that a threat Farrandeelin, or are you just a keyboard warrior, Knockmore, LOL.
lets keep it light lads. No need for shooting talk.
I want to see what the nordie lads have off the back foot.
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
I tried "view" -> "zoom" and I still couldn't make out who was in that picture.
Donaghy's dad should've been on the Sunday Game:
"If Kieran Donaghy was living in Tyrone within another year or two, maturing and reading the game better, Tyrone could possibly go on to win a five-in-a-row.
Donaghy senior is predicting that his younger son Conor (20) could be the next 'starlet' to emerge from the Kingdom.
"He's an even bigger cub than Kieran and a great basketball player.
"I guarantee within six months he'll be on the Kerry senior panel or I'll throw myself into the lakes of Killarney!"
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Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D A line up that would not be out of place In the local nick ;)
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
A line up that wouldn't look out of place in the local nick ;D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
I tried "view" -> "zoom" and I still couldn't make out who was in that picture.
ok, "view" -> "zoom" -> "400%" worked...those lads are tiny.
McMenamins legs ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
Ignorance must be an affliction, what Kerry poster said we were the saviours of our game,we are only interested in winning all-Irelands, What Kerry poster said this was an appealing game, it was dire but we don't give a damn, after all our years playing the nordies we at last used our noggins and played them at their own game and now will continue to do so but the thing is and this is where we are truly the aristocrats of the game we can revert to type and play the beautiful game when we need to against real footballing counties because we have the natural skill and technique but as I posted before we are now well able and adroit at playing in the sewer with ye lot and remember winning is all due to inches and remember a win is a win is a win, 37 and counting. Life is good, what's it like in nordie land Benny, i'd say it's fairly bitter ;)
Anyone can play beautiful football against Waterford, Clare or Tipperary. Even those Dromintee lads in their jeans could manage that.
What are you bittering about? What I said is all facts.
So the way Kerry play is the only way to play football? Wise up. 12 years ago, Kerry were made to think outside the box about how to play Ulster teams. The game evolved, as it always has, and yet it took Kerry 12 years to beat an Ulster team at their peak (albeit with a lucky goal). I would get down off that high horse, because you'll be knocked off it as quickly as any other AI winner this last 20 years has.
20 years, you're having a laugh, what about Kerrys two in a row, circa 2006/2007, I know the average nordie is obsessed with revisionism but this brings it to a new level, ;D
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Now, feel free to respond to my other points. I won't hold my breath though.
Give it up, you are only babbling now, pathetic.
Just as I thought.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
I tried "view" -> "zoom" and I still couldn't make out who was in that picture.
ok, "view" -> "zoom" -> "400%" worked...those lads are tiny.
McMenamins legs ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How did they manage to defeat the mighty Kingdom?? It's inspiring really, like a real-life Lord of the Rings.
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Donaghy's dad should've been on the Sunday Game:
"If Kieran Donaghy was living in Tyrone within another year or two, maturing and reading the game better, Tyrone could possibly go on to win a five-in-a-row.
Donaghy senior is predicting that his younger son Conor (20) could be the next 'starlet' to emerge from the Kingdom.
"He's an even bigger cub than Kieran and a great basketball player. That's in bad taste re: Kierans father, you're a funny man, aren't you, hilarious.
"I guarantee within six months he'll be on the Kerry senior panel or I'll throw myself into the lakes of Killarney!"
You'll figure it out
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
Thanks for the memories, lads. Keep the pictures coming. That would be some 7 a side outfit. And to think, Ricey, with those legs, put the shits up every Kerry forward for a generation. ;D They must look back now and think, "what was I so afraid of?" Good times!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Winning back to back wasn't the issue. I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of AI winners will be beat the next year.
The width of a post was the difference. You make it sound like Donegal aren't fit to play on the same pitch as Kerry, such is their superior skill and athleticism.
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
I tried "view" -> "zoom" and I still couldn't make out who was in that picture.
ok, "view" -> "zoom" -> "400%" worked...those lads are tiny.
McMenamins legs ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How did they manage to defeat the mighty Kingdom?? It's inspiring really, like a real-life Lord of the Rings.
Ah c'mon, in fairness...it looks like they photoshopped him onto a pair of matchsticks ;D ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
Thanks for the memories, lads. Keep the pictures coming. That would be some 7 a side outfit. And to think, Ricey, with those legs, put the shits up every Kerry forward for a generation. ;D They must look back now and think, "what was I so afraid of?" Good times!!
(http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/ryan-mcmenamin-and-marc-ose-1522009-436x500.jpg)
(http://cdn4.herald.ie/migration_catalog/article25346096.ece/18a52/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20080917_SFB_105_3532178_I1)
(http://cdn4.independent.ie/migration_catalog/Non-Staff/article25062294.ece/736fc/ALTERNATES/h342/Ryan+McMenamin)
(http://img.rasset.ie/0001baaf-642.jpg)
(http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article29174071.ece/5b787/ALTERNATES/h342/ricey.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF471/338950.jpg)
Captain. Leader. Legend.
Meh close enough.
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Donaghy's dad should've been on the Sunday Game:
"If Kieran Donaghy was living in Tyrone within another year or two, maturing and reading the game better, Tyrone could possibly go on to win a five-in-a-row.
Donaghy senior is predicting that his younger son Conor (20) could be the next 'starlet' to emerge from the Kingdom.
"He's an even bigger cub than Kieran and a great basketball player. That's in bad taste re: Kierans father, you're a funny man, aren't you, hilarious.
"I guarantee within six months he'll be on the Kerry senior panel or I'll throw myself into the lakes of Killarney!"
You'll figure it out
Enlighten us with your cryptic utterances, as they are obviously subjective and biased, do please amaze us with your cogent cognitive abilities.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Winning back to back wasn't the issue. I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of AI winners will be beat the next year.
The width of a post was the difference. You make it sound like Donegal aren't fit to play on the same pitch as Kerry, such is their superior skill and athleticism.
On the contrary, I would rate Donegal as a much better team than Tyrone or Armagh in the sense that they played us when we were ready for them.
It was an even contest.
They beat is in 2012 and we beat them this year so I would very much see us as equals. I cant say the same for their more opportunistic provincial colleagues who played us when we had one hand tied behind our backs.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
Thanks for the memories, lads. Keep the pictures coming. That would be some 7 a side outfit. And to think, Ricey, with those legs, put the shits up every Kerry forward for a generation. ;D They must look back now and think, "what was I so afraid of?" Good times!!
ah yes yere very own Hannibal lector, a fine specimen of a foreigner.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Winning back to back wasn't the issue. I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of AI winners will be beat the next year.
The width of a post was the difference. You make it sound like Donegal aren't fit to play on the same pitch as Kerry, such is their superior skill and athleticism.
On the contrary, I would rate Donegal as a much better team than Tyrone or Armagh in the sense that they played us when we were ready for them.
It was an even contest.
They beat is in 2012 and we beat them this year so I would very much see us as equals. I cant say the same for their more opportunistic provincial colleagues who played us when we had one hand tied behind our backs.
The problem with Donegal is that their accent is too nice. Imagine being sledged by one of the McGees, you wouldn't care. You'd probably find it soothing.
Jesus, that McMenamin lad had a serious need to get up close and personal with Kerrymen. It is what I was saying earlier abot unrequited love ;)
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
The problem with Donegal is that their accent is too nice. Imagine being sledged by one of the McGees, you wouldn't care. You'd probably find it soothing.
In fairness to Donegal, they are sound. When the beat us in 2012 they behaved properly. That is one of the most important things in the GAA and it is something Armagh and Tyrone have never understood.
When we beat Donegal last month we repaid that respect and treated them in a dignified way. You lads could learn from Donegal and Kerry..
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Winning back to back wasn't the issue. I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of AI winners will be beat the next year.
The width of a post was the difference. You make it sound like Donegal aren't fit to play on the same pitch as Kerry, such is their superior skill and athleticism.
On the contrary, I would rate Donegal as a much better team than Tyrone or Armagh in the sense that they played us when we were ready for them.
It was an even contest.
They beat is in 2012 and we beat them this year so I would very much see us as equals. I cant say the same for their more opportunistic provincial colleagues who played us when we had one hand tied behind our backs.
Even contest yes. It could have went either way. So how are Kerry vastly superior to everyone else, when Donegal matched them?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Yes, one back to back in 25 years. The point is an AI winner one year, dumped out on your arse the next. And sometimes it's a fine line.
Good to see you finally acknowledge the difficulty of winning back-to-back and accepting our point that it is the true mark of champions.
I knew we'd get through to you eventually.
Winning back to back wasn't the issue. I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of AI winners will be beat the next year.
The width of a post was the difference. You make it sound like Donegal aren't fit to play on the same pitch as Kerry, such is their superior skill and athleticism.
On the contrary, I would rate Donegal as a much better team than Tyrone or Armagh in the sense that they played us when we were ready for them.
It was an even contest.
They beat is in 2012 and we beat them this year so I would very much see us as equals. I cant say the same for their more opportunistic provincial colleagues who played us when we had one hand tied behind our backs.
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Donaghy left Tyrone as he couldn't get on the under-8 team because he was too naturally talented and tall.
Sure our under-8's are taller than Tyrone seniors ;D
Ye are not exactly known for ye're high fielders are ye.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF174/164859.jpg)
Bear in mind Canavan's 5'1"
Thanks for the memories, lads. Keep the pictures coming. That would be some 7 a side outfit. And to think, Ricey, with those legs, put the shits up every Kerry forward for a generation. ;D They must look back now and think, "what was I so afraid of?" Good times!!
(http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/ryan-mcmenamin-and-marc-ose-1522009-436x500.jpg)
(http://cdn4.herald.ie/migration_catalog/article25346096.ece/18a52/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20080917_SFB_105_3532178_I1)
(http://cdn4.independent.ie/migration_catalog/Non-Staff/article25062294.ece/736fc/ALTERNATES/h342/Ryan+McMenamin)
(http://img.rasset.ie/0001baaf-642.jpg)
(http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article29174071.ece/5b787/ALTERNATES/h342/ricey.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF471/338950.jpg)
Captain. Leader. Legend.
Meh close enough.
Tut, Tut, these foreign lads have no class, at all at all, either that or he craves for a lot of loving ::)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
The problem with Donegal is that their accent is too nice. Imagine being sledged by one of the McGees, you wouldn't care. You'd probably find it soothing.
In fairness to Donegal, they are sound. When the beat us in 2012 they behaved properly. That is one of the most important things in the GAA and it is something Armagh and Tyrone have never understood.
When we beat Donegal last month we repaid that respect and treated them in a dignified way. You lads could learn from Donegal and Kerry..
Do please enlighten us as to how Armagh were disrespectful when beating Kerry?
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 11:17:16 PMTut, Tut, these foreign lads have no class, at all at all, either that or he craves for a lot of loving ::)
Bloody Canadians.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
The problem with Donegal is that their accent is too nice. Imagine being sledged by one of the McGees, you wouldn't care. You'd probably find it soothing.
In fairness to Donegal, they are sound. When the beat us in 2012 they behaved properly. That is one of the most important things in the GAA and it is something Armagh and Tyrone have never understood.
When we beat Donegal last month we repaid that respect and treated them in a dignified way. You lads could learn from Donegal and Kerry..
Do please enlighten us as to how Armagh were disrespectful when beating Kerry?
So what you are inferring by your post is that Tyrone disrespected us, ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:15:47 PM
Even contest yes. It could have went either way. So how are Kerry vastly superior to everyone else, when Donegal matched them?
Yes, it could have gone either way. If you listen closely you might hear this sentence echoing back to you from previous years ::)
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
Do please enlighten us as to how Armagh were disrespectful when beating Kerry?
When you bowed we noticed your foreheads didn't quite touch the ground as usual.
That pissed us off rightly I can tell you.
Sorry to get in the way of the Tyrone and Armagh boys, but Jim McGuinness has stepped down. A great, great manager who brought so much enjoyment and pride to Donegal over the last 4 years. Thanks Jim.
Quote from: StephenC on October 03, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
Sorry to get in the way of the Tyrone and Armagh boys, but Jim McGuinness has stepped down. A great, great manager who brought so much enjoyment and pride to Donegal over the last 4 years. Thanks Jim.
A big blow to Donegal. We have great time for Jim in Kerry and wish him luck in the future.
Major blow. He put a lot in. He'll be sorely missed in that set up.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Lack of class is also permanent.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 04, 2014, 12:31:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Lack of class is also permanent.
That's more like it.
I think a couple of 10 year olds in Kerry are way past their bedtimes.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 04, 2014, 12:31:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Lack of class is also permanent.
Well said. Taking 118 years to win an all-Ireland confirms that fact.
This is a proper All-Ireland speech...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVE82iitjC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVE82iitjC4)
None of this " will youse move back .." stuff. jesus wept ::)
Great stuff from Aidan O'Mahony...
http://balls.ie/gaa/video-aidan-omahony-class-act/
Quote from: mlcollins on October 03, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 03, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
The problem with Donegal is that their accent is too nice. Imagine being sledged by one of the McGees, you wouldn't care. You'd probably find it soothing.
In fairness to Donegal, they are sound. When the beat us in 2012 they behaved properly. That is one of the most important things in the GAA and it is something Armagh and Tyrone have never understood.
When we beat Donegal last month we repaid that respect and treated them in a dignified way. You lads could learn from Donegal and Kerry..
Do please enlighten us as to how Armagh were disrespectful when beating Kerry?
So what you are inferring by your post is that Tyrone disrespected us, ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not at all Id imagine, he, like me, is just wondering what Armagh done to disrespect Kerry.
WRT McMenamin, as an Armagh man I hated him (the player, dont know the man) but Id have loved to have seen him in orange of Armagh. Any man (or woman) who says they wouldnt like to have had him in their team, even Kerry men, is talking nonsense
McMenamin was a scallywag of epic proportions on the field, but man alive he was a brilliant player too.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 07, 2014, 08:38:28 AM
Not at all Id imagine, he, like me, is just wondering what Armagh done to disrespect Kerry.
you said some nasty things about us :D ..here is one from 2003 (courtesy of the "gaaboard archive" thread)
Quote
Armagical
Registered User
Posts: 77
(4/7/03 11:45:40 pm)
The animals on the terraces were baying, the animals on the field were out to graze...
Not once, but twice, Stephen McDonnell had to endure a chorus of boos and disgusting insults from the so called Kerry fans. Twice the best forward in Ireland silenced them.
I lost count of the number of occasions that Kerry "men" were lying prostrate on the ground, on deaths door, only to spring to their feet again following a miraculous recovery. It's amazing the healing powers of a yellow, and especially a red, card shown to an opponent.
To the untrained eye it would have appeared that the Kerry players are very soft - that the merest physical contact is enough to floor them. However to those of us who had just made a 500 mile round trip it was obvious that the Kerry players were deliberately trying to fox the referee into issuing cards. To their shame, they succeeded.
As a life long Armagh supporter I've been to Kerry many times over the years for league games against the illustrious men from the Kingdom. I've always looked forward to these games immensely, partly for the trip and largely to the warm reception always bestowed upon us.
However, my impression of the Kerry fans changed a lot yesterday. I suppose in the past it was easy for Kerry fans to be gracious towards Armagh fans given the counties varying pedigree.
At the start of the match King Prat came and stood in front of us, delighted to have an audience of Armagh fans he quickly turned and said "we give yees that one in September." What an arrogant fool.
He seemed surprised that we Armagh fans were not in agreement. He received a rebuke that was as sharp as it was quick. Some facts were pointed out to him:
1 – The All-Ireland title is not, despite what Kerry fans like him may think, Kerry's to give
2 – Armagh were the only team to remain unbeaten through the whole of the All-Ireland series last year, unlike the Kerry team that was beaten twice.
3 – It was Kerry, not Armagh, that failed to score for almost 30 minutes of the All-Ireland final.
Annoyed that his analysis of final was being challenged, he decided to remind us every few minutes that Kerry have "Tirty Two" All-Irelands. Very mature.
I thought to myself, well he's obviously just a Kerry fanatic and is probably trying to engage in banter (albeit without the delivery of a comic genius) and that Armagh have as fans that are just as bad, and so decided that to ignore him would be the best course.
However, I was left thoroughly saddened by the booing, jeers and insults directed at Stephen McDonnell. To McDonnell's immense credit, he ignored the abuse and continued about his game unaffected.
Fair play to Kerry on the victory, the best team on the day won. Best of luck too for the forthcoming Munster championship. I'm sure it will be as wide open as it is always is, with Kerry having to beat more than just Cork to make to yet another All-Ireland quarter final!
in the interest of full disclosure here is my very considered reply
QuoteJesus you Armagh lads will certainly retain your All Ireland whinging crown whatever about the football crown. Grow up for f**ks sake, it was only a league game and ye are through anyway. Methinks you are going to have a long hard, distressing summer (or maybe that should be short ?) if this kind of thing gets you that animated.
Oh, by the way we have 32 All-Irelands in case you didnt know...he,he
Only 32 All Irelands .... who were those under achievers ;)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
It's a bit like Michelangelo appraising Da Vinci........you kind of have to have it to truly appreciate it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
It's a bit like Michelangelo appraising Da Vinci........you kind of have to have it to truly appreciate it.
No, it's like Da Vinci praising Da Vinci but I hope you've given yourself a big pat on the back then. Being such a connoisseur of quality football though, it must wrankle that you are now embracing Ulster football and worse still, that it took over 12 years to master. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
It's a bit like Michelangelo appraising Da Vinci........you kind of have to have it to truly appreciate it.
No, it's like Da Vinci praising Da Vinci but I hope you've given yourself a big pat on the back then. Being such a connoisseur of quality football though, it must wrankle that you are now embracing Ulster football and worse still, that it took over 12 years to master. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all that.
That's the beauty of it, we never "imitated" Ulster football. We just stopped playing the game by your rules i.e everybody piling forward en masse and then piling back again en masse.We just did what the Dubs didn't do and held men back.
Simple and traditional , but brilliant.
It was so sweet beating Ulster playing with 6 defenders.
I guess we had the last laugh in the end.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
It's a bit like Michelangelo appraising Da Vinci........you kind of have to have it to truly appreciate it.
No, it's like Da Vinci praising Da Vinci but I hope you've given yourself a big pat on the back then. Being such a connoisseur of quality football though, it must wrankle that you are now embracing Ulster football and worse still, that it took over 12 years to master. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all that.
That's the beauty of it, we never "imitated" Ulster football. We just stopped playing the game by your rules i.e everybody piling forward en masse and then piling back again en masse.We just did what the Dubs didn't do and held men back.
Simple and traditional , but brilliant.
It was so sweet beating Ulster playing with 6 defenders.
I guess we had the last laugh in the end.
As my namesake said: 12 years to master.
I've said it before: width of a post. Get off that insecure high horse of yours.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 07, 2014, 08:38:28 AM
Not at all Id imagine, he, like me, is just wondering what Armagh done to disrespect Kerry.
you said some nasty things about us :D ..here is one from 2003 (courtesy of the "gaaboard archive" thread)
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Armagical
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(4/7/03 11:45:40 pm)
The animals on the terraces were baying, the animals on the field were out to graze...
Not once, but twice, Stephen McDonnell had to endure a chorus of boos and disgusting insults from the so called Kerry fans. Twice the best forward in Ireland silenced them.
I lost count of the number of occasions that Kerry "men" were lying prostrate on the ground, on deaths door, only to spring to their feet again following a miraculous recovery. It's amazing the healing powers of a yellow, and especially a red, card shown to an opponent.
To the untrained eye it would have appeared that the Kerry players are very soft - that the merest physical contact is enough to floor them. However to those of us who had just made a 500 mile round trip it was obvious that the Kerry players were deliberately trying to fox the referee into issuing cards. To their shame, they succeeded.
As a life long Armagh supporter I've been to Kerry many times over the years for league games against the illustrious men from the Kingdom. I've always looked forward to these games immensely, partly for the trip and largely to the warm reception always bestowed upon us.
However, my impression of the Kerry fans changed a lot yesterday. I suppose in the past it was easy for Kerry fans to be gracious towards Armagh fans given the counties varying pedigree.
At the start of the match King Prat came and stood in front of us, delighted to have an audience of Armagh fans he quickly turned and said "we give yees that one in September." What an arrogant fool.
He seemed surprised that we Armagh fans were not in agreement. He received a rebuke that was as sharp as it was quick. Some facts were pointed out to him:
1 – The All-Ireland title is not, despite what Kerry fans like him may think, Kerry's to give
2 – Armagh were the only team to remain unbeaten through the whole of the All-Ireland series last year, unlike the Kerry team that was beaten twice.
3 – It was Kerry, not Armagh, that failed to score for almost 30 minutes of the All-Ireland final.
Annoyed that his analysis of final was being challenged, he decided to remind us every few minutes that Kerry have "Tirty Two" All-Irelands. Very mature.
I thought to myself, well he's obviously just a Kerry fanatic and is probably trying to engage in banter (albeit without the delivery of a comic genius) and that Armagh have as fans that are just as bad, and so decided that to ignore him would be the best course.
However, I was left thoroughly saddened by the booing, jeers and insults directed at Stephen McDonnell. To McDonnell's immense credit, he ignored the abuse and continued about his game unaffected.
Fair play to Kerry on the victory, the best team on the day won. Best of luck too for the forthcoming Munster championship. I'm sure it will be as wide open as it is always is, with Kerry having to beat more than just Cork to make to yet another All-Ireland quarter final!
in the interest of full disclosure here is my very considered reply
QuoteJesus you Armagh lads will certainly retain your All Ireland whinging crown whatever about the football crown. Grow up for f**ks sake, it was only a league game and ye are through anyway. Methinks you are going to have a long hard, distressing summer (or maybe that should be short ?) if this kind of thing gets you that animated.
Oh, by the way we have 32 All-Irelands in case you didnt know...he,he
Only 32 All Irelands .... who were those under achievers ;)
Hmmm. I really dont think you meant to quote me considering I had no idea this board existed in 2003 and I only joined a few years ago. I will accept your apology any time
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 07, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 07, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
Ha ha, ;D That excuse doesn't actually flatter your players you know Mikey. They were supposedly one of the best teams ever but were too brainless to work out how to play against an Ulster team during a timespan that covered a six year period? You shouldn't be so hard on the Kerry team of that generation Mikey, although the games against Ulster opposition were heart breaking for you, they gave you some good days as well.
What you have to understand Bennyharp is that form is temporary but class is permanent. Just like on this thread ...you lads have been handed your arse ;)
Kerry football - just like the Kerry lads on this thread, is fond of self praise!
It's a bit like Michelangelo appraising Da Vinci........you kind of have to have it to truly appreciate it.
No, it's like Da Vinci praising Da Vinci but I hope you've given yourself a big pat on the back then. Being such a connoisseur of quality football though, it must wrankle that you are now embracing Ulster football and worse still, that it took over 12 years to master. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all that.
That's the beauty of it, we never "imitated" Ulster football. We just stopped playing the game by your rules i.e everybody piling forward en masse and then piling back again en masse.We just did what the Dubs didn't do and held men back.
Simple and traditional , but brilliant.
It was so sweet beating Ulster playing with 6 defenders.
I guess we had the last laugh in the end.
If you say it enough times, maybe, just maybe, you will begin to believe it and you can sleep easy in your beds........ But nobody else is fooled!
No, I've already told you why our win had nothing to do with "Ulster" football. Study this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sGbwe1m7jkQ#t=3760 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sGbwe1m7jkQ#t=3760)
the jersey is being passed on before your very eyes...down the generations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B5Anzc68zu8#t=319 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B5Anzc68zu8#t=319)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 09, 2014, 10:37:26 PM
No, I've already told you why our win had nothing to do with "Ulster" football. Study this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sGbwe1m7jkQ#t=3760 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sGbwe1m7jkQ#t=3760)
the jersey is being passed on before your very eyes...down the generations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B5Anzc68zu8#t=319 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B5Anzc68zu8#t=319)
Keep believing Mikey! Get out the Golden Years video, pour yourself a glass of whiskey and raise a glass to the passing of a once proud footballing county who sold their soul to Ulster. But don't be sad - it's all about the winning! Enjoy the winter......I'm sure your lads are training already.
jesus Christ , are you ever off the board ;D