Time for a post-catholic Ireland

[J70]

Fine article by Fr. Liam Power in the Waterford News and Star here

His columns are worth a read in general

Good to see progressive and reasonable voices like him in the Catholic Church

FR LIAM POWER: THERE MUST BE LIMIT TO APPEASING ULTRA-CATHOLICS

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/15/fr-liam-power-there-must-be-limit-to-appeasing-ultra-catholics/#.X2O9PGhKg2w

Christ. Sad to see toxic American far-right ideology crossing the Atlantic. It still sounds stupid when I hear Irish people bleating about "liberals destroying our society," but god help us if those poisonous fact-averse ideas take hold in Ireland. Election results are heartening though. The Gemmaroids never seem to get much support when it comes to voting time and they usually lose their deposits.

Toxic far right ideology in Ireland is Irish  and wasn't imported here from the USA.
Gemma hasn't got the mass support because generally that particular conspiracy rhetoric she uses  doesn't resonate with the passive ordinary Irish racist and perhaps Islamophobia is not such a thing just yet. Peter Casey was much more cute when it came to tapping into Ireland's racism,  his poll went from 1% to 22% overnight.

Perhaps instead of Gemma, a right wing campaigner like Dana moaning about Travellers would have hit the richter scale of ultra right wing support.
Being prejudiced/racist  against Travellers is acceptable in Ireland, it's so ingrained in the dna that it doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Do travellers as a whole have much will to better themselves and integrate with society as a whole?

I think a lot of the traveller rights group do their people too much of a disservice at times. There is definitely a racism element to travellers but surely they also need to take on board there is a sizable majority of their community who consistently let them down and without addressing that first of all its pointless

Sizeable majority let them down?

[Main Street]

Fine article by Fr. Liam Power in the Waterford News and Star here

His columns are worth a read in general

Good to see progressive and reasonable voices like him in the Catholic Church

FR LIAM POWER: THERE MUST BE LIMIT TO APPEASING ULTRA-CATHOLICS

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/15/fr-liam-power-there-must-be-limit-to-appeasing-ultra-catholics/#.X2O9PGhKg2w

Christ. Sad to see toxic American far-right ideology crossing the Atlantic. It still sounds stupid when I hear Irish people bleating about "liberals destroying our society," but god help us if those poisonous fact-averse ideas take hold in Ireland. Election results are heartening though. The Gemmaroids never seem to get much support when it comes to voting time and they usually lose their deposits.

Toxic far right ideology in Ireland is Irish  and wasn't imported here from the USA.
Gemma hasn't got the mass support because generally that particular conspiracy rhetoric she uses  doesn't resonate with the passive ordinary Irish racist and perhaps Islamophobia is not such a thing just yet. Peter Casey was much more cute when it came to tapping into Ireland's racism,  his poll went from 1% to 22% overnight.

Perhaps instead of Gemma, a right wing campaigner like Dana moaning about Travellers would have hit the richter scale of ultra right wing support.
Being prejudiced/racist  against Travellers is acceptable in Ireland, it's so ingrained in the dna that it doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Do travellers as a whole have much will to better themselves and integrate with society as a whole?

I think a lot of the traveller rights group do their people too much of a disservice at times. There is definitely a racism element to travellers but surely they also need to take on board there is a sizable majority of their community who consistently let them down and without addressing that first of all its pointless

Your not very well developed thoughts on Travellers and the issues that effect them just support my expressed opinion that there's a high level of ignorance and prejudice about and against Travellers in Ireland.  Such attitudes are just mainstream in Ireland.  Just how ignorant would such attitudes be interpreted had they been directed towards native Americans, native Aborigines,  African Americans?

[Dag Dog]

Bishop apologises over controversial remarks by priest at Listowel Mass
Priest refers to sex between two men and two women as a sin, among other comments

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/11/01/bishop-of-kerry-apologised-over-controversial-remarks-delivered-by-priest-at-listowel-sunday-mass/


I don't see the problem. The priest is spelling out the churches rules?

[Milltown Row2]

Two men and two women sounds like a orgy

Is stoning someone still a church rule or did they change that?

[Dag Dog]

Two men and two women sounds like a orgy

Is stoning someone still a church rule or did they change that?

Only one way to find out!

[Milltown Row2]

Two men and two women sounds like a orgy

Is stoning someone still a church rule or did they change that?

Only one way to find out!

Why do they not keep all the rules? Cherrypicking them to suit, some crackers though

Source:Getty
– It is perfectly legal to beat your wife on the court house steps on Sundays.
– It is illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church.

[AustinPowers]

Bishop apologises over controversial remarks by priest at Listowel Mass
Priest refers to sex between two men and two women as a sin, among other comments

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/11/01/bishop-of-kerry-apologised-over-controversial-remarks-delivered-by-priest-at-listowel-sunday-mass/


I don't see the problem. The priest is spelling out the churches rules?

Well yeah , that is  the church rules

Everyone knows these views, even if they're never uttered by a priest or bishop.  So those who walked out , I'm sure they knew these views already , So why  Are you at mass in the first place ? Or even a member of the catholic ch?

[Rossfan]

If you don't agree with an organisations rules time to join a different one.
I'd say th'oul Presbyterian or Free Presbyterian organisations would hold similar views 

[Itchy]

What's the bishop apologizing for, sure he's just saying the naked truth of what the church believes. If you are stupid enough to pay any heed to it why would you be offended.

[Blowitupref]

That priest has a bit of history

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/priest-who-attacked-homosexuality-during-mass-previously-supported-convicted-sex-offender-42111954.html

[clarshack]

At least he didn't behead any gays in Sligo.

[Eamonnca1]

Bishop apologises over controversial remarks by priest at Listowel Mass
Priest refers to sex between two men and two women as a sin, among other comments

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/11/01/bishop-of-kerry-apologised-over-controversial-remarks-delivered-by-priest-at-listowel-sunday-mass/


I don't see the problem. The priest is spelling out the churches rules?

Well yeah , that is  the church rules

Everyone knows these views, even if they're never uttered by a priest or bishop.  So those who walked out , I'm sure they knew these views already , So why  Are you at mass in the first place ? Or even a member of the catholic ch?

Can't say I've ever understood why some gay people still stay in the church. Maybe it's because they grew up with it and feel like it's part of their identity and community.

[RedHand88]

At least he didn't behead any gays in Sligo.

This is making more news than the Sligo story, which is sad really.

[Rossfan]

Sligo cases are sub judice.
Seems this Priest spent a long time in U.S.
Explains a lot!

[gallsman]

At least he didn't behead any gays in Sligo.

This is making more news than the Sligo story, which is sad really.

Is this in any way even close to being true?

The killings in Sligo were headline news in Ireland for a week or ten days and featured frequently on UK news as well.