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under the bar

Quote from: charlieTully on February 24, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: ned on February 24, 2018, 07:06:58 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 23, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
You would think it's a sacrilege to criticise BR. surely one of the main objectives in bringing him to the club was improvement in Europe. In 2 seasons we have conceded 42 goals in Europe.  Invincible my hole.
His objective was getting to CL group stages, which he's achieved both seasons. Anything beyond that is a plus.  Last year they were drawn in a group with Barca and Man City. This year they finished 3rd in a group containing PSG a nd Bayern.  Despite the loss of Griffiths, Gordon , Hayes and Roberts they were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 to the good against Zenit heading to Russia.  Without those players it was always going to be an uphill struggle expect especially with Dembele and Sinclair in poor form. 

I dunno if your  hole is invincible and don't particularly want to find out but you are certainly talking thru it!

excuses excuses excuses.

You don't do facts do you? How do you measure improvement in Europe? Not by goals conceded surely? That's a factor in how well Celtic will do but not the measure. BR got us to the group stages of the CL in his first season, an improvement from the previous two years. This year we qualified and secured European football into the New year. Those are the facts and that points towards improvement to me.
The injuries are a factor whether it suits your agenda or not. All year Celtic have been hampered by injurjes at crucial times.

Typing this on a phone forgive typos. No one is calling for the managers head. Last season was an amazing success domestically and is unlikely to be seen again in our lifetime. In all competitions this season, few stumbles but that's to be expected . That does not absolve BR from criticism if it's justified. Perhaps you don't believe it is. Let's examine some facts from his European record.

FACT away defeat to a part time team from Gibraltar
FACT away defeat to hapoel
FACT 7 nil away to Barca
FACT gave away the lead 3 times at home to city
FACT home defeat to monchengladbach
FACT home defeat to Barca
FACT draw at home to Rosenberg
FACT away defeat to Astana
FACT beaten 5 nil at home by psg
FACT conceded 7 away from home for second time in 2 seasons
FACT home defeat to anderlect
FACT meekly limp out to zenit

"Home defeat to Barca" lol
Does your mum still make your lunch by any chance?  ::)

illdecide

CELTIC MUST PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS

Leading 1-0 from the first leg at Parkhead, it took just seven minutes to shatter Celtic hopes of a famous European night. Having equalised, Zenit St Petersburg added two further goals to underline their superiority and end the Bhoys' European hopes for the season.

From the offset it was clear that Brendan Rodgers had got his starting XI wrong and that the squad's limitation were beginning to show. The Celtic manager opted for the tried and tested route of an identical 4-5-1-1 formation from the previous leg on the night.

But within a few minutes it became apparent that not only were the Scottish champions facing a different Zenit side, but individuals within their own team simply weren't up to the task of matching the performance they had put on back in Glasgow.

The most obvious example of this was Dorus de Vries. Tasked with keeping things composed at the back, the Dutch goalkeeper defined his momentary cover for injured first-choice Craig Gordon with a horrendous mistake in the 27th minute; Daler Kuzyaev's relatively straightforward shot down the middle of the Celtic goal somehow dumbfounding the back-up goalkeeper.

As the gifted goal – and it was entirely that – fizzled past De Vries, the jubilant celebrations from Zenit's home support was most likely met by colourful language from the travelling Celtic fans that had feared as much on their long trip to Russia. How the club had come to rely upon such an untested stopper despite the proneness to injury that had dogged Gordon's career is anyone's guess. But it certainly doesn't excuse some notable oversight on the club's behalf.

Another example of individuals struggling on the night came in the form of central midfielder Eboue Kouassi. Although the 20-year old thrived under pressure in the first leg, the Ivorian looked troubled and out of place in the St Petersburg Arena. After offering very little in terms of impetus going forward or being able to keep a hold of possession, the Celtic manager opted to swap him for Tom Rogic at half time.

However, the Australian international hadn't yet returned to full fitness after a long-term injury and alongside the continued absence of Stuart Armstrong there was a notable gulf in Celtic's central attacking intent.

Despite the best efforts of Rogic, Callum McGregor and Olivier Ntcham there was no doubt the Scottish champions missed their fair-haired No.10 and the back-up options simply weren't working. Yet Kouassi wasn't the only player to show up Celtic's lack of depth at this stage in the competition.

Although he may have stayed on the pitch for the duration of the game, Mikael Lustig spent much of Thursday night chasing shadows. Either from a makeshift central defensive position or his more routine right back role, the Swedish international looked slow, clumsy and out of his depth. And if any evidence was needed to showcase such a poor performance, we need only watch the tardy manner in which Lustig failed to mark Aleksandr Kokorin when he tapped home a cross from Branislav Ivanović in the 61st minute to all but confirm the tie was done and dusted.


Indeed, if any moment underlined Celtic's lack of pragmatic action in the previous transfer window, it was when the ageing, out-of-form full-back struggled allowed Zenit's top-class striker to leap on a goalscoring opportunity. Despite calls for such a player for the best part of 12 months, if the Scottish champions had ever needed a competent, senior central defender it was in that fleeting moment.

Paltry efforts to save Celtic's European campaign were on show in the manner in which Moussa Dembélé once again attempted to huff and puff across the pitch with little success over the course of the match. As Celtic fans had already seen in the first leg and on countless occasions in the Champions League this season, the once-heralded striker often looked more like a passenger in Rodgers' front line rather than the forward that had routinely turned games on their head last season.   

Where the Frenchman had once been the diamond in Celtic's crown, Dembélé now looked like a tired and worn-out embodiment of the club's attempts to flog their latest talent to the highest bidder. Rodgers may not be willing to admit it, but most fans would have perhaps rather seen the quicker, sharper Odsonne Edouard at some point in the night and would undoubtedly have preferred Leigh Griffiths leading the line from the first minute of the match had he not been injured.

Yet perhaps the most potent example of Celtic's struggling depth came in the form of Charly Musonda's introduction in the 71st minute. Although the Chelsea loanee had proved vital in creating the only goal of the first leg, asking the 21-year old to make up a two-goal advantage with around 20 minutes left to play not only showcased Rodgers' lack of options on the bench but some pretty abundant desperation.

For a club that regularly defines itself by its participation in European football and recently boasted of having bank reserves of just under £31 million, each and every one of these examples simply highlights a lack of action from Celtic's hierarchy and a reluctance to put the club's money where its mouth is. 

In the end, Celtic were well beaten by a club that had spent far in amassing their impressive side, yet it was a match that proved quite pivotal in underlining where the faults like in Rodgers' team.

The Scottish champions may go onto another domestic treble. Yet when the summer off season comes they'd do well to remember this night and take note. These shortcomings are the difference between stagnation and reaching the next level in European football and must be fixed if they intend to improve under Rodgers.
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

T Fearon

Celtic cannot break their restricted wage structure.But the manager is responsible for a game plan which should give the players confidence and self belief in every game.The hiding away in Europe this season indicates that the players have no self belief or no game plan.

charlieTully

Quote from: under the bar on February 24, 2018, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 24, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: ned on February 24, 2018, 07:06:58 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 23, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
You would think it's a sacrilege to criticise BR. surely one of the main objectives in bringing him to the club was improvement in Europe. In 2 seasons we have conceded 42 goals in Europe.  Invincible my hole.
His objective was getting to CL group stages, which he's achieved both seasons. Anything beyond that is a plus.  Last year they were drawn in a group with Barca and Man City. This year they finished 3rd in a group containing PSG a nd Bayern.  Despite the loss of Griffiths, Gordon , Hayes and Roberts they were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 to the good against Zenit heading to Russia.  Without those players it was always going to be an uphill struggle expect especially with Dembele and Sinclair in poor form. 

I dunno if your  hole is invincible and don't particularly want to find out but you are certainly talking thru it!

excuses excuses excuses.

You don't do facts do you? How do you measure improvement in Europe? Not by goals conceded surely? That's a factor in how well Celtic will do but not the measure. BR got us to the group stages of the CL in his first season, an improvement from the previous two years. This year we qualified and secured European football into the New year. Those are the facts and that points towards improvement to me.
The injuries are a factor whether it suits your agenda or not. All year Celtic have been hampered by injurjes at crucial times.

Typing this on a phone forgive typos. No one is calling for the managers head. Last season was an amazing success domestically and is unlikely to be seen again in our lifetime. In all competitions this season, few stumbles but that's to be expected . That does not absolve BR from criticism if it's justified. Perhaps you don't believe it is. Let's examine some facts from his European record.

FACT away defeat to a part time team from Gibraltar
FACT away defeat to hapoel
FACT 7 nil away to Barca
FACT gave away the lead 3 times at home to city
FACT home defeat to monchengladbach
FACT home defeat to Barca
FACT draw at home to Rosenberg
FACT away defeat to Astana
FACT beaten 5 nil at home by psg
FACT conceded 7 away from home for second time in 2 seasons
FACT home defeat to anderlect
FACT meekly limp out to zenit

"Home defeat to Barca" lol
Does your mum still make your lunch by any chance?  ::)

If you disagree with a point I make please counteract it. Please don't resort to referencing my mother. 

ONARAGGATIP

Back to porridge today, win needed badly.

charlieTully

Quote from: T Fearon on February 24, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Celtic cannot break their restricted wage structure.But the manager is responsible for a game plan which should give the players confidence and self belief in every game.The hiding away in Europe this season indicates that the players have no self belief or no game plan.

No points at home either in this CL campaign. We were lucky to play anderlect when they were in disarray. Played ok against Munich but as soon as we scored they upped it and tool the lead again within minutes.

ONARAGGATIP

lustig has turned to shite, he needs gone.

Main Street

Celtic one up, could have done with that quality cross from Forrest against Zenit, laid on a sixpence for Dembele to crash home.

Targetman

Good to get a win today and not concede a goal, the reaction from Broony when tackled by about 4 sheep men was priceless, Hail Hail!!

under the bar

Quote from: charlieTully on February 25, 2018, 04:04:25 AM
Quote from: under the bar on February 24, 2018, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 24, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: ned on February 24, 2018, 07:06:58 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 23, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
You would think it's a sacrilege to criticise BR. surely one of the main objectives in bringing him to the club was improvement in Europe. In 2 seasons we have conceded 42 goals in Europe.  Invincible my hole.
His objective was getting to CL group stages, which he's achieved both seasons. Anything beyond that is a plus.  Last year they were drawn in a group with Barca and Man City. This year they finished 3rd in a group containing PSG a nd Bayern.  Despite the loss of Griffiths, Gordon , Hayes and Roberts they were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 to the good against Zenit heading to Russia.  Without those players it was always going to be an uphill struggle expect especially with Dembele and Sinclair in poor form. 

I dunno if your  hole is invincible and don't particularly want to find out but you are certainly talking thru it!

excuses excuses excuses.

You don't do facts do you? How do you measure improvement in Europe? Not by goals conceded surely? That's a factor in how well Celtic will do but not the measure. BR got us to the group stages of the CL in his first season, an improvement from the previous two years. This year we qualified and secured European football into the New year. Those are the facts and that points towards improvement to me.
The injuries are a factor whether it suits your agenda or not. All year Celtic have been hampered by injurjes at crucial times.

Typing this on a phone forgive typos. No one is calling for the managers head. Last season was an amazing success domestically and is unlikely to be seen again in our lifetime. In all competitions this season, few stumbles but that's to be expected . That does not absolve BR from criticism if it's justified. Perhaps you don't believe it is. Let's examine some facts from his European record.

FACT away defeat to a part time team from Gibraltar
FACT away defeat to hapoel
FACT 7 nil away to Barca
FACT gave away the lead 3 times at home to city
FACT home defeat to monchengladbach
FACT home defeat to Barca
FACT draw at home to Rosenberg
FACT away defeat to Astana
FACT beaten 5 nil at home by psg
FACT conceded 7 away from home for second time in 2 seasons
FACT home defeat to anderlect
FACT meekly limp out to zenit

"Home defeat to Barca" lol
Does your mum still make your lunch by any chance?  ::)

If you disagree with a point I make please counteract it. Please don't resort to referencing my mother.

I meant no disrespect to your mother Charlie.   I felt referencing a home defeat to Barca as not good enough was somewhat like a 'spoilt child' expecting to win everything. Even Real Madrid lose at home to Barca so  Celtic have little or no chance against such teams.

charlieTully

No worries. We all on the same side at the end of day. Good to get the win yesterday .

Main Street

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Quote from: Targetman on February 25, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
Good to get a win today and not concede a goal, the reaction from Broony when tackled by about 4 sheep men was priceless, Hail Hail!!
In the middle of this article there's a video snip of his reaction to the reckless assaults, it was priceless.
I think there were 3 red card challenged in there including booting the ball straight at him with full force.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43196946

Orior

Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 25, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
Good to get a win today and not concede a goal, the reaction from Broony when tackled by about 4 sheep men was priceless, Hail Hail!!
In the middle of this article there's a video snip of his reaction to the reckless assaults, it was priceless.
I think there were 3 red card challenged in there including booting the ball straight at him with full force.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43196946

I'm surprised that Brown did not get booked for taking it all in his stride.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

Targetman

I see Broony's packed in playing for Scotland, glad to hear it, he really is a tough nut and has developed into a Celtic legend!

stew

Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 25, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
Good to get a win today and not concede a goal, the reaction from Broony when tackled by about 4 sheep men was priceless, Hail Hail!!
In the middle of this article there's a video snip of his reaction to the reckless assaults, it was priceless.
I think there were 3 red card challenged in there including booting the ball straight at him with full force.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43196946

Lashing the ball at him with him on the ground was cowardly, the same sc**bag that did it claimed racism against another player and it got turfed out because he made it up, that bastard should be done up like a kipper the next time they play with about two minutes left and the game already won, I hope he is.
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.