A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[tbrick18]

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

[Rossfan]

They'd much rather the shock horror €20bn a year headline and move on.

[johnnycool]

They'd much rather the shock horror €20bn a year headline and move on.

Sure by the end of the summer €20bn will hardly build Casement Park.

Hyper inflation within Unionist minds.

[Applesisapples]

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

To be fair the Irish  Times has a piece in it today which  looks critically at the report.

[Applesisapples]

The shock horror is coming from the Nolan led BBC and unionist medja.

[Pub Bore]

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

Doesn't the Framework/Protocol, dual access thingy, only apply to goods, not services??

[Pub Bore]

Never ceases to amaze me how unionists regard NI being economically in the dark ages and not able to pay its way, as a badge of honour or some sort of achievement.  They just can't hear themselves.

[Milltown Row2]

I didn't realise that people can get prescriptions for, toothpaste, shampoo, paracetamol, ibuprofen along with many other stuff you can get without prescription in Boots!! 

Sponging like that has to stop, ones complaining about DLA motors and PIPS! Its shocking, and yes we know of all the tax dodgers in big corporates and the self employed ones who fix things their way, a review on things like that need looking at also.

[trueblue1234]

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

If there wasn't such uncertainty about Stormont, there would be even more FDI in NI. Some businesses are holding off due to the clusterf**k going on up there and the will they, won't they nature of the DUP. If they had managed this correctly and given the impression that NI was open for business in the Uk and Europe there would have been more companies interested. Instead they've f**ked up what should have been a major good news story for NI by making it look like a risk for businesses to commit.

[weareros]

It should be noted that Windsor Framework only applies to goods, not services. North is not in EU for services. That would be biggest benefit if a UI as the difference in exports of services North and South is astronomical (even allowing for sleight of hand reporting by MNCs in South). Republic exports over €300 billion in services and North £20 billion. Varadakwr and Coveney were shrewd enough to prevent services from being in protocol as it would have been to the detriment of ROI economy and given UK financial services a direct gateway to EU via North instead of having to relocate parts of business to Dublin/Frankfurth/Paris.

[AustinPowers]

I didn't realise that people can get prescriptions for, toothpaste, shampoo, paracetamol, ibuprofen along with many other stuff you can get without prescription in Boots!! 

Sponging like that has to stop, ones complaining about DLA motors and PIPS! Its shocking, and yes we know of all the tax dodgers in big corporates and the self employed ones who fix things their way, a review on things like that need looking at also.

You can't get scripts for paracetamol or hay fever  treatments. Possibly ibuprofen too.Not sure if that's with  all gp surgeries  but that's my own experience

Sure paracetamol is only a few pence  per box anyway   

[johnnycool]

I didn't realise that people can get prescriptions for, toothpaste, shampoo, paracetamol, ibuprofen along with many other stuff you can get without prescription in Boots!! 

Sponging like that has to stop, ones complaining about DLA motors and PIPS! Its shocking, and yes we know of all the tax dodgers in big corporates and the self employed ones who fix things their way, a review on things like that need looking at also.

You can't get scripts for paracetamol or hay fever  treatments. Possibly ibuprofen too.Not sure if that's with  all gp surgeries  but that's my own experience

Sure paracetamol is only a few pence  per box anyway   

I did get a script for cetirizine hydrochloride due to an allergy and it was only a few years later that I found out I could buy it for a few £ over the counter.

IF GP's would only tell you this.

Also,
  my dad had carers come in to him and he was on a few paracetamol a day but the carers would only give him the paracetamol from the prescription as that was their instructions even though we could buy the same stuff for next to nothing anyway.

[tbrick18]

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

Doesn't the Framework/Protocol, dual access thingy, only apply to goods, not services??

I wouldn't even pretend to know the intricacies of the framework. But, I know 2 multinationals expanding in NI for this exact reason (I've got it first hand from senior people in both).

Is a piece of software classed as goods?
Company I work for provides services both sides of the border, across Europe, GB and the US.
I'm not clever enough to understand how that all hangs together though.

[93-DY-SAM]

It's laughable all the Loyalists / Unionists / Nolan falling over themselves to latch onto the one report that fits in with their narrative. They are so blind to the fact that NI has been run into the ground by themselves and the British. The report should have been framed with a different title - "Decades of funding required to correct the 100+ years of British/Unionist rule that impoverished the North?"

[Milltown Row2]

I didn't realise that people can get prescriptions for, toothpaste, shampoo, paracetamol, ibuprofen along with many other stuff you can get without prescription in Boots!! 

Sponging like that has to stop, ones complaining about DLA motors and PIPS! Its shocking, and yes we know of all the tax dodgers in big corporates and the self employed ones who fix things their way, a review on things like that need looking at also.

You can't get scripts for paracetamol or hay fever  treatments. Possibly ibuprofen too.Not sure if that's with  all gp surgeries  but that's my own experience

Sure paracetamol is only a few pence  per box anyway   

Surgery I'm in they get all that.