Brexit.

[seafoid]

The DUP can thweam and thweam all they want Cos the Tories can get labour votes.
It would be good for everyone if the UUP replaced the fruitcakes .

I don't know if Labour will save them.  Boris's brother resigned today and called for a referendum.

For the last year and a half the Brexit heads have been insisting it is the deal or no deal. No other choice.
Labour are not going to let no deal happen so no deal is dead.
Maybe there will be a referendum. Brexit was always stupid and it is even worse now with the US retreating into protectionism.

[God14]

Dye think? By my logic the committee will look at QE again and maintaining low interest rates to offset the economic hit.
Stating the obvious but the reason an independent committee commenced setting the rate was to avoid govt politising it in election year. Free from political /govt interference. Some analysts reckon UK GDP will get an 8 per cent hit. I can't see how the mood in the committee will be to increase rates which dampen investment and spending

Ever more reason to wait another 6-8 months I think

[seafoid]

Dye think? By my logic the committee will look at QE again and maintaining low interest rates to offset the economic hit.
Stating the obvious but the reason an independent committee commenced setting the rate was to avoid govt politising it in election year. Free from political /govt interference. Some analysts reckon UK GDP will get an 8 per cent hit. I can't see how the mood in the committee will be to increase rates which dampen investment and spending

Ever more reason to wait another 6-8 months I think

there is too much debt to raise rates now

[Ronnie]

I'd devalue. Anyone on here remember UK asking IMF for loan?

[Therealdonald]

Behind the scenes, and this is all hypothetical, do you think SF are possibly talking to Corbyn, to push that a referendum doesn't take place? At the minute SF are playing a blinder by doing absolutely nothing with regards to Brexit. I can't see the referendum happening but its just a thought.  If Brexit goes through as planned, its a given for Corbyn that Labour wins the GE as it'll be a disaster.

[seafoid]

Behind the scenes, and this is all hypothetical, do you think SF are possibly talking to Corbyn, to push that a referendum doesn't take place? At the minute SF are playing a blinder by doing absolutely nothing with regards to Brexit. I can't see the referendum happening but its just a thought.  If Brexit goes through as planned, its a given for Corbyn that Labour wins the GE as it'll be a disaster.

Barnier told Corbyn that if Labour won a GE the deal could be changed. That is how sovereignty works.
I bet the end result is a schism in the Tory party.

[Insane Bolt]

Behind the scenes, and this is all hypothetical, do you think SF are possibly talking to Corbyn, to push that a referendum doesn't take place? At the minute SF are playing a blinder by doing absolutely nothing with regards to Brexit. I can't see the referendum happening but its just a thought.  If Brexit goes through as planned, its a given for Corbyn that Labour wins the GE as it'll be a disaster.

It's certainly no given.....have you seen the Labour front bench? Dianne Abbott? .....ffs Russ Abbott would be better. Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate......many can be swayed by a slogan/lie on the side of a bus.

[OgraAnDun]

Dye think? By my logic the committee will look at QE again and maintaining low interest rates to offset the economic hit.
Stating the obvious but the reason an independent committee commenced setting the rate was to avoid govt politising it in election year. Free from political /govt interference. Some analysts reckon UK GDP will get an 8 per cent hit. I can't see how the mood in the committee will be to increase rates which dampen investment and spending

Ever more reason to wait another 6-8 months I think

It might be necessary to try and shore up the huge drop that sterling will take.

[God14]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/09/new-blow-to-may-as-eu-leaders-demand-scrutiny-of-brexit-deal

I still think the no deal scenario is a serious possibility. Looks now like Barnier's negotiating team have to take any potential deal back to the EU27 for comment and approval. Could there be a few troublemakers in there with an agenda to stick the boot into the Brits? Surely some of them will have concerns...

[yellowcard]

The truth is that nobody can predict what the outcome will be, it's probably best to ignore all of the background noise. I don't see any way that the DUP can come out of this looking good, the best result for them would be a no deal. The rational electorate will turn on them but their base vote will bizzarely consider it a success. That will be enough for them to claim succcess no matter the economic price. The north would become an economic wasteground but if it helps drive out nationalists and 'saves their precious union' they would be happy with that.

Any other deal logically speaking has to create a divide between mainland UK and the 6 counties and that would be the deal on which their own electorate would turn on them. I see this as being more likely as there are enough people in Westminster who would not want to committ economic suicide by crashing out without a deal. Despite all of the commentary and public utterances saying that 'no deal is better than a bad deal' I don't see any way that would be acceptable to UK public.   

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/10/theresa-mays-brexit-plan-set-blocked-tory-backbenchers/

Theresa May's Brexit plan will be blocked by MPs even if she is able to "bounce" the Cabinet into signing it off, the Prime Minister has been warned.
Senior members of the Eurosceptic grouping of Tory backbenchers and the Democratic Unionist Party figures are  publicly uniting to insist they will vote against Mrs May's proposals unless she backs down.
Their intervention came as senior government figures warned that the deal would still fall in Parliament even if it were forced through a reluctant Cabinet this week. A defeat for Mrs May would be likely to spark a leadership challenge.

[Farrandeelin]

Would there not be enough Labour MPs to see it through if a rump of the Tories don't vote with her?

[balladmaker]

The options for Labour are to either support the PM's deal purely to avoid a no deal scenario, or vote against her and get a hardline Brexiteer PM as her replacement.  Labour are all over the place so I think that the no deal scenario is increasing in likelihood 

[seafoid]

I think there are 3 camps in the Tory party -
-No deal is ESG plus DUP
-Deal however flawed (Most of cabinet )
- Another referendum ( J Johnson and others)

God knows who wins

Meanwhile

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/12/brexit-plan-complete-shambles-uk-boss-of-thyssenkrupp-says

The whole thing is very sad.

[yellowcard]

http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.