Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row

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seafoid

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 18, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2019, 03:20:43 AM

2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.


That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.

In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.


Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?

Kevin McStay :

"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."

dublin7

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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

haveaharp

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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.

High Fielder

Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
Excellent analysis Ohtoohtobe.
In 4 of the 5 years there were games where Dublin coulda/shoulda been beaten by Kerry or Mayo.
It's a freak that Dublin have managed to win each year. The three in particular where the opposition had it in their own hands, but it just slipped by where the 2 Mayo own goals, the Vaughan red, and the Moran turnover. If the role of honour of the last 5 years had been: Dublin - Mayo - Mayo - Dublin - Kerry, the narrative would be completely different.

And could you imagine what the ruckus would be if Dubs were dominating at minor!! Instead there's never any discussion how counties can copy Kerry. About all the volunteer hours ex-Kerry players put into their elite squads. Ex-Dubs do that too, and I'm sure it happens in more counties, but could there be more done?
Dublin's best ever minor team were beaten in an AI final by Tipperary.

Quote from: High Fielder on September 18, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time

That's an interesting point High Fielder. But there's no reason Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all can't be equally as good as Kerry and Mayo. Of those, IMO, Tyrone and Donegal are the only two who punch at their weight, but the others all show the odd glimmer that they're getting their house in order. I appreciate there will be ups and downs as the really top quality players come and go. I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds. And I think the next 5 years will be very competitive between the top 5 or 6.

That does nothing for me at all. We have over 30 counties represented in the Association. Where you are born should not define how successful you are in your chosen sport, and if we want to look at ways of making the GAA more inclusive, then the current way of doing things won't cut it. It's simple really. A child can be born in the slums of Rio but there's always a pathway to play for the top clubs in the world, and Brazil. A child can be born in Mumbai and play for cricket clubs all over the world, and India. A child can be born in over half the counties in Ireland, be the best footballer he can possibly be, and be totally wasting his time. He wll never win anything at county level. Why wouldn't he go and play rugby instead? Or soccer? The rest of the country isn't interested in the same 2, 4 or even 8 teams commanding the Association and lording it over the rest os us. We have to find a way of allowing the best in every county an opportunity to play at the highest level. Otherwise, it will have a very limited appeal outside of certain areas.

dublin7

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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM


We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.

The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers

Halfquarter

Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM


We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
There is a lot of talk about the Kerry forwards ,yet they only scored 15 points.
That is the lowest score by a team in an All Ireland since the last time (2015) that Kerry  contested a final when they only scored 9 points .

haveaharp

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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 04:00:36 PM
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM


We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.

The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers

Tyrone fan?  :o

Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Halfquarter on September 18, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM


We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
There is a lot of talk about the Kerry forwards ,yet they only scored 15 points.
That is the lowest score by a team in an All Ireland since the last time (2015) that Kerry  contested a final when they only scored 9 points .

Dublin only scored 0-9 in the drawn All Ireland final in 2016.

magpie seanie

Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2019, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 18, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2019, 03:20:43 AM

2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.


That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.

In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.


Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?

Kevin McStay :

"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."

What proof does he have of this? It's totally ridiculous. Dublin's (and the All Black's) skill levels are off the charts. To suggest otherwise gives away that you're pushing an agenda which I guess is no surprise from this guy.

Kerry had plenty of scoring chances in the last 15 minutes the last day but missed shots or tried to work a goal. They matched Dublin in every aspect for the two games bar taking chances.

From the Bunker

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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30

Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And  he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams

It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.

You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue.  The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.

In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.

It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.

So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"


magpie seanie

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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30

Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And  he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams

It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.

You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue.  The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.

In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.

It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.

So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"


Answer these questions though:

Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?

I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.

dublin7

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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.

The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers

Tyrone fan?  :o

Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.
Well if you think dublin are a defensive team then I'm absolutely calling you on your nonsense. The bitterness towards dublin shows a far bigger lack of class, but hey keep on hating. Here we go 6 in a row

Blowitupref

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2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.


That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.

In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.


Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?

Kevin McStay :

"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin’s movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."

What proof does he have of this? It's totally ridiculous. Dublin's (and the All Black's) skill levels are off the charts. To suggest otherwise gives away that you're pushing an agenda which I guess is no surprise from this guy.

Kerry had plenty of scoring chances in the last 15 minutes the last day but missed shots or tried to work a goal. They matched Dublin in every aspect for the two games bar taking chances.

Between the 57th minute and full time which was 77th minute. Kerry scored 1 point from S O'Shea from play. They had 3 wides, 1 each from Geaney,Barry,Moran all tired looking shots and they also have 3 aimless looking balls into square that Dublin's defence and Cluxton dealt with easily.

The only clear cut goal chance in the final 20 minutes of action was for Dublin and if Connolly had laid off the ball instead of shooting it probably would have been a goal.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

From the Bunker

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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30

Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And  he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams

It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.

You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue.  The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.

In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.

It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.

So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"


Answer these questions though:

Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?

Probably not! Chances are we have a weaker budget to Dublin GAA. Unlike Dublin serious experts are not local, so it costs a lot of money to get these guys.

Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?

Can't think of any Mayo players saying anything out of line the past decade. They stay well clear of media. Aidan O'Se who gets more than his fair share of negative attention. Stays stum. Same with Lee Keegan! Andy Moran who retired recently talked of his love of playing. It's a lot harder to be mentally strong on the back of losses.


Is your county board as good as Dublin's?

If you are talking about getting out on their feet and raising Money, yes. They have budget limits compared to Dublin.


Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?

A huge cost on the finances of the County board has been the McHale Park stand. Dublin have a ready made Stadium that they don't have to maintain or fund!

Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?

If you are talking about GDO's there are a few in Mayo that are shared about the clubs. No one has their own and no one could afford one - bar possibly Castlebar Mitchels. Most clubs due to emigration and lack of opportunities are struggling to field teams after under 14.

Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?

Not many have been rushed into the present Mayo set-up the last decade. Looking at the Dublin age profile they don't hang around either if a player is ready!

I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.

Dublin county board has been phenomenal, but you have to admit the money (although well spent) has been horsed their way. It's kind of embarrassing how much money they have got. This coupled with an embarrassing series of home games in the Championship.

 

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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)



You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.

This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.

And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.

Do you know anything about football??

Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.

The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers

Tyrone fan?  :o

Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.
Well if you think dublin are a defensive team then I'm absolutely calling you on your nonsense. The bitterness towards dublin shows a far bigger lack of class, but hey keep on hating. Here we go 6 in a row

I think you are reading this wrong. I said other teams including Dublin can play the blanket and they did when required in both games. No bitterness here, maybe you should be enjoying it more rather than defending what isn't being said. And sure didn't you start the thread to see how much bitterness there was out there?