May as well get it started.
An intriguing draw. Both teams will fancy their chances without being over confident I would say.
There is no real form guide as these 2 sides haven't played each other much recently. From an Armagh viewpoint it is a real opportunity and I providing they play without any fear again I give them a good chance of getting through the tie. Galway will be thinking the same but I also think they'd have preferred to avoid Armagh in the draw. I'd imagine Forker will get the job of tracking Walsh as he always seems to get the oppositions main forward. Morgan who is having a great season will probably pick up Comer. I think this could be quite an open match as neither side is really suited to playing defensive catenaccio style football. Should be a great weekend of football at HQ.
Looking forward to the match. Both sides fairly evenly matched it seems. Probably an open game. Should be one for the purists and neutrals to enjoy.
Sunday 26th June, 1:45PM, Croke Park ... early start.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2022, 04:13:20 PM
Sunday 26th June, 1:45PM, Croke Park ... early start.
At least the 2 Ulster teams are playing on separate days so the traffic situation won't be as bad. I would have thought that Armagh v Galway was a more evenly matched game than Kerry v Mayo so I'm a bit surprised that we are the curtain raiser.
Armagh have a poor record coming out of the Cusack Stand dressing rooms........
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:19:12 PM
There is no real form guide as these 2 sides haven't played each other much recently. From an Armagh viewpoint it is a real opportunity and I providing they play without any fear again I give them a good chance of getting through the tie. Galway will be thinking the same but I also think they'd have preferred to avoid Armagh in the draw. I'd imagine Forker will get the job of tracking Walsh as he always seems to get the oppositions main forward. Morgan who is having a great season will probably pick up Comer. I think this could be quite an open match as neither side is really suited to playing defensive catenaccio style football. Should be a great weekend of football at HQ.
Might not be suited to them but it's very much the style Galway have used in this years championship.
While Armagh got the team from the pot they wanted, we would have much preferred Clare or Cork from this morning let's be honest about it. That's no slight against them, the four week break is a big factor for the provincial champions when facing into a team coming off a win two weeks out and either of the Munster teams would have been a much more winnable game. Not to say that Galway would win of course, I've seen enough capitulations including Tipp in 2016 to know nothing can be ruled out. Armagh it is and one thing is for sure, complacency is not a problem on Joyce's desk since this morning's draw given how Mayo and Roscommon have fared since Galway played them, Armagh certainly look to have the better recent body of work going into this match.
From the initial reactions since this morning I'd expect that while it's evens in the bookies currently Armagh will likely move into slight favourites for the match as the next couple of weeks progresses, they seem to be the tip for a lot of folk, I think I even saw the phrase "no chance" associated with Galway on this forum. That won't mean much for either set of players at the end of the day. A far bigger factor will difference in the support levels, the Armagh bandwagon seems to be rolling again and Galway will be outnumbered as usual but maybe to an even greater extent this time around. Would be great to see a few of the fair weather fans come out of the woodwork for this provided they will go to shout on the team.
A big game for the Galway, we have a miserable record in Croke Park and Armagh are the toughest team from the draw today to get over that hump and into a semi-final, I wouldn't be of the view that we have no chance either though once we show up, need to put in a big championship performance above what we've seen to date in Connacht and see where that gets us.
The stakes are very high now, Derry, Clare, Armagh and ourselves all know that this is a golden opportunity to get to an All Ireland final, a heavy favourite will be waiting there in opposition but sure anything can happen on the day. The older Galway players like Walsh, Comer and Conroy will not get a better chance at a ticket to the big dance, the teams who have been there year in and year out are all on the other side of the draw.
Armagh are a formidable team but they haven't been within an asses roar of the final no more than ourselves either, this is an absolutely massive match and whoever gets the win will be in great shape for the semi-final. To quote Ger Lock, "real men wanted now".
I think it depends on what game each team brings to the match. Galway had work to do after the Connacht Final. How much extra have Armagh got ?
Great opportunity for both teams, really is a 50/50 game. Thought we showed great maturity yesterday at 0.9 to 1.2 I thought it was on the verge of slipping away from us but it didn't. Still wouldn't like to see Galway getting an early jump on us tho.
What about the Armagh injuries? 5 potential starters sidelined, 3 longish term. I assume Mackin #2 should be fine, Oisin O'Neill?
Armagh have nearly stumbled into our current configuration from MF forward because of some of our injuries, it's highly unlikely to be changed for Galway but it is a 20 man game these days anyway. Like I would have considered Turbitt a shoe in championship starter and he's not getting much game time, but still scoring well when introduced. Always feel Ross McQuillan has something to offer but he's seeing less still.
Very interesting game in prospect. As AFA said - I think we all wanted Clare or Cork simply because neither are as good as Armagh.
Armagh have momentum built up now which is a big advantage to them.
Galway are capable of winning this but will need to bring their A game to do so.
Looking forward to it
Psychology might play a role. Armagh are a momentum team but if they are shut down how will they respond ? How good is Geezer at in-match decision making ?
It really is a 50/50 game no matter what anyone else says. Galway and Armagh are so evenly matched and it will be difficult to predict the winners. Armagh have a bit of momentum which will help but Galway are a settled team and have big players in the right positions. Should be a good game with a big score line by both teams, there are really good pairings to select of who will pick up who. Armagh have a few injuries as someone stated but for me all that does is create an opportunity for someone else. I was at the last game in 2001 where Galway broke our hearts with a 1pt win, think it was like 10 - 09 or something like that. I know it was low scoring game in the qualifiers that Galway went on to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: illdecide on June 14, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
It really is a 50/50 game no matter what anyone else says. Galway and Armagh are so evenly matched and it will be difficult to predict the winners. Armagh have a bit of momentum which will help but Galway are a settled team and have big players in the right positions. Should be a good game with a big score line by both teams, there are really good pairings to select of who will pick up who. Armagh have a few injuries as someone stated but for me all that does is create an opportunity for someone else. I was at the last game in 2001 where Galway broke our hearts with a 1pt win, think it was like 10 - 09 or something like that. I know it was low scoring game in the qualifiers that Galway went on to win the All Ireland.
Armagh were one of the best teams Galway played that year, as the following year showed
It may well end up being determined by the quality of the substitutions.
Does anyone know how ticketmaster operate this?
Should I take the shitty tickets that are on offer now. Or are more sections still to be opened up?
Quote from: Feckitt on June 14, 2022, 04:53:23 PM
Does anyone know how ticketmaster operate this?
Should I take the shitty tickets that are on offer now. Or are more sections still to be opened up?
Good question, I tried buying this morning and kept getting crap seats in Davin or corners of Hogan/Cusack... herself went on 15 mins later and got slap bang in the middle of the Hogan.
Quote from: general_lee on June 14, 2022, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 14, 2022, 04:53:23 PM
Does anyone know how ticketmaster operate this?
Should I take the shitty tickets that are on offer now. Or are more sections still to be opened up?
Good question, I tried buying this morning and kept getting crap seats in Davin or corners of Hogan/Cusack... herself went on 15 mins later and got slap bang in the middle of the Hogan.
Same happened to me although I got upper hogan, middle of the field.
My suspicion is that there are still better sections still to be released but I don't really know
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2022, 04:27:57 PM
It may well end up being determined by the quality of the substitutions.
We're fairly strong in that department even with current injuries and hopefully we get a couple back.
I've tickets for up in the rafters. But I'm happy with that, as I don't particularly want to sit with the great unwashed, proletariate and riff-raff thank you very much :-)
Like on the Airbus 380, one should be seated on the upper deck.
Derry look to be the business, a proper team. Not buying that Armagh are the real deal. They seem more of a rabble with Rian O'Neill as the one stand out who would start for any county.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 14, 2022, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 14, 2022, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 14, 2022, 04:53:23 PM
Does anyone know how ticketmaster operate this?
Should I take the shitty tickets that are on offer now. Or are more sections still to be opened up?
Good question, I tried buying this morning and kept getting crap seats in Davin or corners of Hogan/Cusack... herself went on 15 mins later and got slap bang in the middle of the Hogan.
Same happened to me although I got upper hogan, middle of the field.
We'll be close by, meant to say upper tier (which I don't mind at all)
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2022, 06:46:52 PM
Like on the Airbus 380, one should be seated on the upper deck.
For safety reasons one should always sit at the back of an aeroplane.
Has an aeroplane ever reversed into a mountain?
An interesting point by ex Sligo footballer Neil Ewing
QuoteIf this years championship was knockout like 2020 and 2021 the perception would be that Donegal are a better team than Armagh and serious questions on where Armagh are going. After Sunday the reverse is the perception. So, which is true? Or, do people read too much into one off games?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 14, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Derry look to be the business, a proper team. Not buying that Armagh are the real deal. They seem more of a rabble with Rian O'Neill as the one stand out who would start for any county.
Totally agree
Armagh to be beaten out the gate
I think Armagh are in a great place and could reach the final.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 14, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Derry look to be the business, a proper team. Not buying that Armagh are the real deal. They seem more of a rabble with Rian O'Neill as the one stand out who would start for any county.
Yes this game is Galway's to lose.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 14, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Derry look to be the business, a proper team. Not buying that Armagh are the real deal. They seem more of a rabble with Rian O'Neill as the one stand out who would start for any county.
I agree. No one else any use.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 14, 2022, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2022, 06:46:52 PM
Like on the Airbus 380, one should be seated on the upper deck.
For safety reasons one should always sit at the back of an aeroplane.
Has an aeroplane ever reversed into a mountain?
Q. How do you know that you're on a plane full of Derry men?
A. When the engines are switched off you can still hear the whining :-)
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 14, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Derry look to be the business, a proper team. Not buying that Armagh are the real deal. They seem more of a rabble with Rian O'Neill as the one stand out who would start for any county.
You're probably right as usual.
Wheres yer man Armagh4samagain these days.
What's the story regarding injuries...Who is injured for what team?. I know Armagh have a few injuries (long term) how's Galway's bill of health?.
I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhlNKcyNCI
Either team could take this. Armagh answered a lot of critics in their last two matches and if they continue with that form they'll be hard to stop. While Galway are well rested, I would question whether that is much of an advantage. Armagh have been training like demons all year so you'd expect they bring that same intensity to Croke Park. I see Jamie Clarke is back on home soil, any chance of a late call up?!
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2022, 10:26:06 AM
Either team could take this. Armagh answered a lot of critics in their last two matches and if they continue with that form they'll be hard to stop. While Galway are well rested, I would question whether that is much of an advantage. Armagh have been training like demons all year so you'd expect they bring that same intensity to Croke Park. I see Jamie Clarke is back on home soil, any chance of a late call up?!
Only if mcgeeney wants to hit the self destruct button.
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2022, 10:26:06 AM
Either team could take this. Armagh answered a lot of critics in their last two matches and if they continue with that form they'll be hard to stop. While Galway are well rested, I would question whether that is much of an advantage. Armagh have been training like demons all year so you'd expect they bring that same intensity to Croke Park. I see Jamie Clarke is back on home soil, any chance of a late call up?!
His time has gone I would say
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2022, 10:26:06 AM
Either team could take this. Armagh answered a lot of critics in their last two matches and if they continue with that form they'll be hard to stop. While Galway are well rested, I would question whether that is much of an advantage. Armagh have been training like demons all year so you'd expect they bring that same intensity to Croke Park. I see Jamie Clarke is back on home soil, any chance of a late call up?!
No, it's not as if Armagh are short on forward talent. The benefit, nor the need, does not outweigh the disruption it could potentially cause to the team ... it ain't broken at the minute so leave well enough alone.
I see David Coldrick appointed as ref, hopefully he will let it flow just as he did in Armagh v Tyrone game.
I'd say the door is open for Clarke for next year-but not at this stage of the year. Not sure if he would suit our system as he doesn't work as hard as Rian, Nugent, Duffy etc.
We all know his quality though and I for one would like to see him back.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2022, 10:20:03 PM
I'd say the door is open for Clarke for next year-but not at this stage of the year. Not sure if he would suit our system as he doesn't work as hard as Rian, Nugent, Duffy etc.
We all know his quality though and I for one would like to see him back.
Must be around 33 now? I'd say his county days are done.
Agree wholeheartedly with balladmaker. His inclusion would likely cause more disruption than benefit. Jamie's had loads to chances to perform for the county, but he always seems to have different priorities. The team is firing on all cylinders now. Don't mess with it.
Would ye quit with the whole Jamie thing! The lad hasn't played club football never mind county football for a few years, I'd say wouldn't have been keeping himself in any major condition (he is just not that soldier!). The lad is playing a bit of club football, not ripping it up yet, he won't play county again.
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Not great going by previous form.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Yeah read that last night...Bar Kerry the other three teams involved would bring a decent crowd with them and throw in the neutrals/season ticket holders etc. So glad it's full too as Croke can be really poor atmosphere when half empty/full. Great buzz around Armagh atm for the game...my biggest concern is a lot of the folk have Armagh in a final before a quarter final ball has been kicked and I for one have followed Armagh and been around football long enough to know it'll bite you in the ass. As long as the players don't believe this hype and concentrate on Galway which i'm sure KMcG will have them focusing solely on...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2022, 08:58:48 AM
Would ye quit with the whole Jamie thing! The lad hasn't played club football never mind county football for a few years, I'd say wouldn't have been keeping himself in any major condition (he is just not that soldier!). The lad is playing a bit of club football, not ripping it up yet, he won't play county again.
Well, that's that nipped in the bud. Can't believe someone brought it up in the first place.
Quote from: illdecide on June 20, 2022, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Yeah read that last night...Bar Kerry the other three teams involved would bring a decent crowd with them and throw in the neutrals/season ticket holders etc. So glad it's full too as Croke can be really poor atmosphere when half empty/full. Great buzz around Armagh atm for the game...my biggest concern is a lot of the folk have Armagh in a final before a quarter final ball has been kicked and I for one have followed Armagh and been around football long enough to know it'll bite you in the ass. As long as the players don't believe this hype and concentrate on Galway which i'm sure KMcG will have them focusing solely on...
I'd say management will have them well grounded. It's all about the next performance, just go for it, empty the tank and see where it ends up.
Galway/Derry equally dreaming of an All Ireland appearance I'd say. I expect Clare to give Derry a game on Saturday as well.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 20, 2022, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 20, 2022, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Yeah read that last night...Bar Kerry the other three teams involved would bring a decent crowd with them and throw in the neutrals/season ticket holders etc. So glad it's full too as Croke can be really poor atmosphere when half empty/full. Great buzz around Armagh atm for the game...my biggest concern is a lot of the folk have Armagh in a final before a quarter final ball has been kicked and I for one have followed Armagh and been around football long enough to know it'll bite you in the ass. As long as the players don't believe this hype and concentrate on Galway which i'm sure KMcG will have them focusing solely on...
I'd say management will have them well grounded. It's all about the next performance, just go for it, empty the tank and see where it ends up.
Galway/Derry equally dreaming of an All Ireland appearance I'd say. I expect Clare to give Derry a game on Saturday as well.
Saturday games on sky only?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Galway followers wouldn't get that excited about a quarter final. I remember 1995 after we won Connacht after a sizeable gap, and the crowd in CP for the semi vs Tyrone was poor enough. I think it comes down to how good people feel the team is. It's a bit like US Justice Potter Stewart's 1964 test to identify hard core pornography "I know it when I see it".
However if we bate Armagh and then Derry , the perception would obviously change.
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 19, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Galway followers wouldn't get that excited about a quarter final. I remember 1995 after we won Connacht after a sizeable gap, and the crowd in CP for the semi vs Tyrone was poor enough. I think it comes down to how good people feel the team is. It's a bit like US Justice Potter Stewart's 1964 test to identify hard core pornography "I know it when I see it".
However if we bate Armagh and then Derry , the perception would obviously change.
Surely Galway people feel you's are well capable of beating ourselves and Derry/Clare if everything falls in to place? All 4 teams on our side of the draw will probably never get a better chance at making a final.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
It'll be close to a sell out though? Probably the best attended quarter final in long time.
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
Currently if you want a seated ticket you can't buy them though. So where or why would they become available between now and matchday? If they just wanted to create the illusion of a sell out in advance in order to trigger demand, then you would think that there would at least be one or two sections with seated tickets available to purchase.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
Currently if you want a seated ticket you can't buy them though. So where or why would they become available between now and matchday? If they just wanted to create the illusion of a sell out in advance in order to trigger demand, then you would think that there would at least be one or two sections with seated tickets available to purchase.
Standard Ticketmaster (nightclub) tactic of holding back sales to create pent-up demand. Same as last Saturday's hurling quarter-finals, which backfired on them.
At a guess I'd say Galway bring an absolute max of 15k, Kerry struggle to 10K, Mayo < 20K, Armagh 22K tops?
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
Currently if you want a seated ticket you can't buy them though. So where or why would they become available between now and matchday? If they just wanted to create the illusion of a sell out in advance in order to trigger demand, then you would think that there would at least be one or two sections with seated tickets available to purchase.
Standard Ticketmaster (nightclub) tactic of holding back sales to create pent-up demand. Same as last Saturday's hurling quarter-finals, which backfired on them.
At a guess I'd say Galway bring an absolute max of 15k, Kerry struggle to 10K, Mayo < 20K, Armagh 22K tops?
You could well be right. Maybe they are just hoping that some people who would otherwise have bought seated tickets will now buy Hill 16 tickets before reopening some sections of the stands closer to Sundays match.
Not sure of the current ticketing situation, did clubs get any at all that would be returns for later this week? I was under the impression that they didn't and all sales were via Ticketmaster, if they are holding back the good tickets or trying to fake demand the GAA need to step in and sort that out, ridiculous stuff.
Wouldn't be too worried about the hurlers impacting Galway attendance, no one from Galway was in Thurles last Saturday by all accounts, can't see too many casual fans travelling up to see a team in really mediocre form to play Limerick.
Galway will have a reasonable crowd at this, there was decent support (by usual Galway football standard anyway) at the Mayo match and the Connacht final, obviously nothing compared to Armagh who sound like they will have a huge crowd.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
Not sure of the current ticketing situation, did clubs get any at all that would be returns for later this week? I was under the impression that they didn't and all sales were via Ticketmaster, if they are holding back the good tickets or trying to fake demand the GAA need to step in and sort that out, ridiculous stuff.
Wouldn't be too worried about the hurlers impacting Galway attendance, no one from Galway was in Thurles last Saturday by all accounts, can't see too many casual fans travelling up to see a team in really mediocre form to play Limerick.
Galway will have a reasonable crowd at this, there was decent support (by usual Galway football standard anyway) at the Mayo match and the Connacht final, obviously nothing compared to Armagh who sound like they will have a huge crowd.
Won't be a cow milked or cube of diesel washed all next week!
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Yeah I've tickets for Garth Brooks going every night! ;) Cute hoorism has started!
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Still some Hill tickets left but the rest of the ground has sold out on Ticketmaster. I'm very surprised as I thought there would be 50-60k but the finance & marketing lads in the GAA will be happy anyway. It could be the first CP full house in almost 3 years.
There should be plenty of tickets yet coming available. No way will this sell out, a-la an AI final.
Hard to know with Galway fans, as Seafoid refers to. With both Senior teams in CP within a week, it may 'split the vote'. However, the general feeling is that this Galway team is (finally) a bit better and balanced than it has been for a good number of years, thus the support should be on the larger side of things.
Currently if you want a seated ticket you can't buy them though. So where or why would they become available between now and matchday? If they just wanted to create the illusion of a sell out in advance in order to trigger demand, then you would think that there would at least be one or two sections with seated tickets available to purchase.
Standard Ticketmaster (nightclub) tactic of holding back sales to create pent-up demand. Same as last Saturday's hurling quarter-finals, which backfired on them.
At a guess I'd say Galway bring an absolute max of 15k, Kerry struggle to 10K, Mayo < 20K, Armagh 22K tops?
Ticketmaster don't hold back the tickets. They don't open sections of the ground if demand isn't there. For these quarter finals they started with the lower decks and when the demand was there all of the upper deck was opened.
What happened with the hurling was only 17,000 tickets or something were put on ticketmaster, the rest left to be distributed between the clubs. These didn't all sell and became available later in the week on ticketmaster.
For the football only something like 1,500 per county was held back for sponsors/officials etc and the majority has gone on line (season ticket holders also had option to buy). There could still be a small element of the one's held back for individual counties coming back but the numbers shouldn't be huge as the decision was taken to sell the vast majority online. Also I don't think they have sold any for the Nally Terrace yet which would hold 3-4000. There should easily be 70-75,000 at the game.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Just booked flights for the day of the final. Regardless of who is in it so thanks for jogging the memory. £9.99 per flight is a steal.
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Looks like it's a full house for next Sunday's double header. I'd expect a large travelling support from both Armagh and Mayo ... what is Galway's representation likely to be?
Galway followers wouldn't get that excited about a quarter final. I remember 1995 after we won Connacht after a sizeable gap, and the crowd in CP for the semi vs Tyrone was poor enough. I think it comes down to how good people feel the team is. It's a bit like US Justice Potter Stewart's 1964 test to identify hard core pornography "I know it when I see it".
However if we bate Armagh and then Derry , the perception would obviously change.
Surely Galway people feel you's are well capable of beating ourselves and Derry/Clare if everything falls in to place? All 4 teams on our side of the draw will probably never get a better chance at making a final.
Surely Armagh and Derry are the future. Donegal and Monaghan would seem to be due a period of introspection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12sepCTJLU
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
A complete f**king shambles, so much so I'm getting the first flight into Dublin on the day, last flight out, and spending the Monday on wine and cheese in my adopted parish, wouldn't give them crooks the payday, pure robbing bastards
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Just booked flights for the day of the final. Regardless of who is in it so thanks for jogging the memory. £9.99 per flight is a steal.
This always amazes me. Flying at the same cost as a gallon of diesel when it would barely even take you as far as the Drogheda toll if driving.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Irrespective of who gets there, I doubt if too many people will be staying up at those prices. Ridiculous stuff. I get the fact that hospitality had a tough few years and that there are a lot of Ukrainians staying in hotel accomodation but some of those prices are still scandalous. Hotels are price gouging just because they can.
Quote from: marty34 on June 20, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
They've been at it for years in the off licenses and pubs, milking visiting fans in some cases for the 5-6 hours they're in town, seen a local Dub refuse to buy a pint as the day before it had been x price and the day of the game up 40%
This is another reason games need to be decentralised as often as possible, ordinary people are being priced out, its the antithesis of the GAA, I know the GAA can do very little about it but lets be honest, Dublin gets way more than its fair share
Us Tyrone ones know this all to well. With all our success and trips to HQ it can add up. I can understand how it can be a huge shock for those Armagh fans who last went to Dublin with punts.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
A big problem is that hotels like the City West are out of bounds for the next 2 years as they are accommodating refugees, which means whatever rooms are available in Dublin are ridiculously over priced.
I've spent plenty in Dublin myself over the years and with Tyrone having 4 All-Irelands in the bag during that time it's actually not too bad having a summer off from Dublin once in a while!
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.
Insane .. you'd almost think we're in a bubble that's about to burst ::). Translink doing well out of it this weekend as well, that's 3 or 4 trains at this stage.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 20, 2022, 01:34:25 PM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.
Belfast has turned into a mini Dublin since Covid began in terms of prices for hotel rooms, food and drinks.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 20, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.
Its a farce.
Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.
Complete rip off.
500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it. To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!
I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.
Belfast has turned into a mini Dublin since Covid began in terms of prices for hotel rooms, food and drinks.
Agreed. Went out in belfast a few weeks ago for a few drinks. Charged £6.50 for a pint of guinness and an dilute orange. £5.50 for the pint and £1 for a dash or orange cordial. Ffs I can buy the entire bottle for £1.
I'm still scared from the performance against Tipp in 2016, about as disappointing as I've ever been leaving Croke Park given the expectation prior to the match.
I'd imagine Kieran Molloy will be given the job of man marking Rhian O'Neill although I'll be more then concerned when he ventures into the full forward line, that Galway backline lacks a bit of height but don't think there's a backline amongst all the sides left which doesn't have that issue. Armagh might have the same issue and I can see Patrick Kelly spending a bit of time in the full forward line trying to catch them out.
Who knows what Galway will turn up, still have a good few doubts about this team unfortunately; Going to have to up the ante defensively from the Roscommon game.
I'm sure Galway have done plenty of work on Rafferty's kickout, both keepers have a lot of work to do in that department to match the standard of the top keepers. Rafferty doesn't like kicking to his left, can't recall him going to that side too many times in the last 2 games. The likelihood is we'll see more contests from the kickouts then any other game this weekend.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2022, 02:15:10 PM
I'm still scared from the performance against Tipp in 2016, about as disappointing as I've ever been leaving Croke Park given the expectation prior to the match.
I'd imagine Kieran Molloy will be given the job of man marking Rhian O'Neill although I'll be more then concerned when he ventures into the full forward line, that Galway backline lacks a bit of height but don't think there's a backline amongst all the sides left which doesn't have that issue. Armagh might have the same issue and I can see Patrick Kelly spending a bit of time in the full forward line trying to catch them out.
Who knows what Galway will turn up, still have a good few doubts about this team unfortunately; Going to have to up the ante defensively from the Roscommon game.
I'm sure Galway have done plenty of work on Rafferty's kickout, both keepers have a lot of work to do in that department to match the standard of the top keepers. Rafferty doesn't like kicking to his left, can't recall him going to that side too many times in the last 2 games. The likelihood is we'll see more contests from the kickouts then any other game this weekend.
Molloy isn't comfortable in the fullback line at all. Don't think we can afford to have him on O'Neill when he is inside.
The fact that Armagh favour kicking the ball early is made for Croker. This worries me.
I'm the same as yourself - leaving Croker in 2016 after that Tipp game was just so depressing and disappointing.
Armagh are a completely different kettle of fish though to be fair.
Surely Kelly will pick up O'neill ?
Start with the Hotels...
As someone stated a few posts back, don't come yapping when things go tits up and no-one can afford your rip-off Hotels.
Dublin can keep their Hotels and beer and charge whatever they want as i'll not be making any purchases.
As for the tickets...
I expected 70,000 - 75,000 for the game as 3 from 4 bring a good support and the two games would appeal to a lot of neutrals. If it's a sell out...great.
As for the match...
Jasus would be foolish to predict TBH, there are so many factors. Will it be defensive?. Will it be all out attack?. Both teams have a marquee forward with good attacking talent around them. Both teams have their flaws but one thing for sure is it should be close. If Galway push up on Armagh kick outs and cause them to panic they will get some joy from that, If Shane Walsh is not marshalled right we will get tore a new arse. Comer is a big unit and could cause problems too.
Armagh have a lot of attacking talent which will rack up scores against the best teams so for me it will come down to midfield and defence, will we hold them out. Can Armagh win the battle around the mid third?. For me this is the key and if we can break even there we will win the game but that's easier said than done.
Armagh 2-14
Galway 1-15
I'd say Galway will be making plans for Campbells runs from deep. Great to see him back to form.
Quote from: illdecide on June 20, 2022, 02:47:59 PM
Start with the Hotels...
As someone stated a few posts back, don't come yapping when things go tits up and no-one can afford your rip-off Hotels.
Dublin can keep their Hotels and beer and charge whatever they want as i'll not be making any purchases.
As for the tickets...
I expected 70,000 - 75,000 for the game as 3 from 4 bring a good support and the two games would appeal to a lot of neutrals. If it's a sell out...great.
As for the match...
Jasus would be foolish to predict TBH, there are so many factors. Will it be defensive?. Will it be all out attack?. Both teams have a marquee forward with good attacking talent around them. Both teams have their flaws but one thing for sure is it should be close. If Galway push up on Armagh kick outs and cause them to panic they will get some joy from that, If Shane Walsh is not marshalled right we will get tore a new arse. Comer is a big unit and could cause problems too.
Armagh have a lot of attacking talent which will rack up scores against the best teams so for me it will come down to midfield and defence, will we hold them out. Can Armagh win the battle around the mid third?. For me this is the key and if we can break even there we will win the game but that's easier said than done.
Armagh 2-14
Galway 1-15
Shelbourne hotel on booking.com for night of AIF is £1407, and another 30 euro if you want breakfast. This should be in the WTF thread.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.
Most on there are best ignored
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2022, 02:15:10 PM
I'm still scared from the performance against Tipp in 2016, about as disappointing as I've ever been leaving Croke Park given the expectation prior to the match.
Different team, different manager, different mindset and approach.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2022, 02:15:10 PM
I'm still scared from the performance against Tipp in 2016, about as disappointing as I've ever been leaving Croke Park given the expectation prior to the match.
I'd imagine Kieran Molloy will be given the job of man marking Rhian O'Neill although I'll be more then concerned when he ventures into the full forward line, that Galway backline lacks a bit of height but don't think there's a backline amongst all the sides left which doesn't have that issue. Armagh might have the same issue and I can see Patrick Kelly spending a bit of time in the full forward line trying to catch them out.
Who knows what Galway will turn up, still have a good few doubts about this team unfortunately; Going to have to up the ante defensively from the Roscommon game.
I'm sure Galway have done plenty of work on Rafferty's kickout, both keepers have a lot of work to do in that department to match the standard of the top keepers. Rafferty doesn't like kicking to his left, can't recall him going to that side too many times in the last 2 games. The likelihood is we'll see more contests from the kickouts then any other game this weekend.
They have no body of work to hang their proverbial hats on, difficult to see statements online like "
Galway will be found out" from the neighbours, but until that Galway team prove otherwise it's hard to refute it either. Would anyone be that surprised to see Galway lose heavily on Sunday?
It's happened before so time for the Galway players to stand up and deliver in a big CP knockout match, even if they don't win but still play to their ability then reasonable supporters will go fair enough beaten by a better team. I think Galway have a right chance if they can somehow improve on retaining Gleeson's limited kickouts and put pressure on the opposite end.
Once it's not a total no show like Tipp 2016 or a downing tools situation like the second half of the Connacht final last year, we'll live with the outcome regardless.
Quote from: mouview on June 20, 2022, 03:57:56 PM
Different team, different manager, different mindset and approach.
I would love to agree fully but that is to be proven yet, Galway have done well this year overall in fairness from what was a very low base in January, another huge test on Sunday. If they get a result there then we'll have a lot to look forward to, it could be the making of whichever team wins I feel.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2022, 02:15:10 PM
I'm still scared from the performance against Tipp in 2016, about as disappointing as I've ever been leaving Croke Park given the expectation prior to the match.
I'd imagine Kieran Molloy will be given the job of man marking Rhian O'Neill although I'll be more then concerned when he ventures into the full forward line, that Galway backline lacks a bit of height but don't think there's a backline amongst all the sides left which doesn't have that issue. Armagh might have the same issue and I can see Patrick Kelly spending a bit of time in the full forward line trying to catch them out.
Who knows what Galway will turn up, still have a good few doubts about this team unfortunately; Going to have to up the ante defensively from the Roscommon game.
I'm sure Galway have done plenty of work on Rafferty's kickout, both keepers have a lot of work to do in that department to match the standard of the top keepers. Rafferty doesn't like kicking to his left, can't recall him going to that side too many times in the last 2 games. The likelihood is we'll see more contests from the kickouts then any other game this weekend.
Galway have good enough forwards and poor enough defenders to take Armagh on in a shoot out
I think Galway have the better manager
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2022, 04:09:30 PM
I think Galway have the better manager
Hard to know.
When a team wins, the managers get the plaudits and when they lose, he gets the grief.
Need to have lads on the team, big leaders, who make the big decisions, when things get tough during a game.
With the water breaks gone now, less chance for management to discuss things properly.
Excuse the ignorance here as I don't see as much of Armagh but the bauld Soupy is being relied on a nice bit and you would imagine getting a run on him going the other way is not something he fancies.
Would Galway try a curve ball like Aidan O'Shea on Donaghy and bring someone back who can live with O'Neill on the edge of the square and then can more than hold their own out the field.
It shoud be a great day above no matter. Feel for any fans having to pay for juice and a hotel. It's a feckin joke at the minute and it won't get any better.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 20, 2022, 06:13:55 PM
Excuse the ignorance here as I don't see as much of Armagh but the bauld Soupy is being relied on a nice bit and you would imagine getting a run on him going the other way is not something he fancies.
Would Galway try a curve ball like Aidan O'Shea on Donaghy and bring someone back who can live with O'Neill on the edge of the square and then can more than hold their own out the field.
It shoud be a great day above no matter. Feel for any fans having to pay for juice and a hotel. It's a feckin joke at the minute and it won't get any better.
If O Neill plays inside - Sean Kelly will pick him up. If he plays further out - Daly or Molloy most likely to pick him up.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 20, 2022, 06:13:55 PM
Excuse the ignorance here as I don't see as much of Armagh but the bauld Soupy is being relied on a nice bit and you would imagine getting a run on him going the other way is not something he fancies.
Would Galway try a curve ball like Aidan O'Shea on Donaghy and bring someone back who can live with O'Neill on the edge of the square and then can more than hold their own out the field.
It shoud be a great day above no matter. Feel for any fans having to pay for juice and a hotel. It's a feckin joke at the minute and it won't get any better.
Couldn't see it. Soupy a serious player but I definitely don't think we rely on him.
You'd know more going on the handle alone, so would there be a handover if he drifts? Not one person with him all day.
Orange jerseys will show up very well on TV. The Qatar World Cup producers are all over the Netherlands first game for the colour alone.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 20, 2022, 06:13:55 PM
Excuse the ignorance here as I don't see as much of Armagh but the bauld Soupy is being relied on a nice bit and you would imagine getting a run on him going the other way is not something he fancies.
Would Galway try a curve ball like Aidan O'Shea on Donaghy and bring someone back who can live with O'Neill on the edge of the square and then can more than hold their own out the field.
It shoud be a great day above no matter. Feel for any fans having to pay for juice and a hotel. It's a feckin joke at the minute and it won't get any better.
The best Galway player equipped to deal with him is already at the edge of the square. The worrying problem is when Rian roams, would Kelly come out the field at that point and leave no physical presence back there? Probably not but its hard to know. Molloy will probably follow him out the field but it would leave Rian as an excellent option for kickouts, if Raferty can hit him. Galway best defenders by a distance are at 3 & 6
Is Morgan likely to pick up Comer if Comer goes to 14? Galway themselves potentially have two very high ball options in the forwards if they decide to play them close to goal.
I think this game could be far cagier than the classic most people are predicting. Galway are afraid of leaving their back line exposed against a team like Mayo who've average forwards and don't kick the ball. There's no way they won't play with at least 1 sweeper against a team that actually does go direct. Probably a double sweeper. Mcgeeneys not going to play the game on Galways terms and feed into the one thing Galway are really good at, quick counter attacks. So I don't think Armagh will over commit as a response. Where the game could open up is if one team falls behind and has to really press kick outs, as both keepers are there to be shot at. But until that point im expecting a slower game than most
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2022, 08:24:13 PM
Orange jerseys will show up very well on TV. The Qatar World Cup producers are all over the Netherlands first game for the colour alone.
Definitely. There'll be 30k Armagh fans and it'll feel like 50k
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2022, 08:24:13 PM
Orange jerseys will show up very well on TV. The Qatar World Cup producers are all over the Netherlands first game for the colour alone.
Ye'll definitely win so
Why do Armagh have orange jerseys ?
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2022, 12:04:19 PM
Why do Armagh have orange jerseys ?
was the nuns in omeath knitted them jerseys way back and was only colour they had. Apparently.
before that they played in black and amber. Same as cross.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 21, 2022, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2022, 08:24:13 PM
Orange jerseys will show up very well on TV. The Qatar World Cup producers are all over the Netherlands first game for the colour alone.
Definitely. There'll be 30k Armagh fans and it'll feel like 50k
Dublin will be flooded.... with their tears.
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2022, 12:04:19 PM
Why do Armagh have orange jerseys ?
Because the orange order was founded in Armagh and is an institution in the county.
Great to see all the attention this thread is getting from Tyrone fans, its a long time since they took 30k+ fans to a match anyway but given some of the stuff they played over the years I wouldn't really blame their fans. Croke Park will be a sea of orange on Sunday as there is nothing to reinvigorate a fan base like a few years in the relative wilderness and playing a good brand of football. If there is another day out after Sunday the ante will be upped again for the next day. If not then we can live with getting beaten by Galway, it's not like a defeat against Tyrone or Down.
Fantastic to see a big Armagh support. I remember when Tyrone first started making inroads in the All Ireland series. Huge crowds.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
Not so sure I agree with you there
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
They were telling people to get their bags searched last Saturday week.
But with a near full house expected that might not be feasible next Sunday.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
Put them in clear plastic bag and I'd say you would have no problem however many munchies you bring.
I'd say they're more looking for the 6-pack of cans than anything else ... or more aptly, the buckfast this Sunday ;)
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
I was at Leinster Final. I had a small A4 size rucksack with a couple of bottles of water and a few treats etc.
There's a few lads on tables who 'search' anyone with a bag before you get to the turnstiles.
I use the term 'search' loosely but they have a quick rummage through it.
Bear in mind, the crowd was poor enough so no real queue at the tables. If a big crowd, like anticipated, at the week-end, it could hold things up a bit.
Best advice is to get in early and avoid the hassle.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
I'd say it will be okay if it's a schoolbag type size. I had a full bag with me last Sunday and wasn't searched for the first game but they were searching for the second match I noticed.
I imagine at worst a quick scrimmage through for any banned items and it be a few seconds. With the crowd expected they'll be fairly busy.
No longer tickets available to buy for the Sunday. I doubt if they'll be rummaging through bags to confiscate sandwiches on people anyway.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2022, 08:07:40 PM
No longer tickets available to buy for the Sunday. I doubt if they'll be rummaging through bags to confiscate sandwiches on people anyway.
If they would confiscate those bloody horns, I would be happy enough.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
How would the wind and especially rain suit Galway? They have very little physicality all over, their whole game is based on quick counter attacking at speed, usually with the foot. Armagh are a much more physical side and would be expected to thrive in a game in the trenches. Galway rely heavily on individual moments from their best footballers, Conroy Walsh & Comer, none of whom would suit a wet day whatsoever. Both Galways Connacht wins came on hot dry days. Historically they've performed poorly when the elements have been bad. It would probably blunt Armagh's direct kicking game in alright, but that's also what Galway have been incorporating heavily also
What's the reason behind not opening the nally terrace for this? No other tickets available so you'd think they would have it open.
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
Who?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 21, 2022, 05:41:39 PM
I'd say they're more looking for the 6-pack of cans than anything else ... or more aptly, the buckfast this Sunday ;)
Ah now, we put that into pepsi bottles #foolingnoone
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
I'm not sure that's the case!
I think most people see this game as 50/50. Darragh O'Se in his column in today's Irish Times, is very slightly tipping Galway.
Some bookies seem to have Armagh as very slight favourites.
There's nothing in it in most people's minds, yet I wouldn't be surprised if either team won by 7 or 8 points.
Armagh have the momentum. Galway waiting in the long grass.
One final point - I think its refreshing to see supporters enjoying a bit of success in Armagh. Don't underestimate the quality and style of Armagh's play this year in encouraging a bit of giddyness. Given the level of skepticism and boring detail that pervades among GAA followers and analysts, is this not a good thing.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 21, 2022, 05:41:39 PM
I'd say they're more looking for the 6-pack of cans than anything else ... or more aptly, the buckfast this Sunday ;)
This is the buckfast bowl really isn't it? Galway the traditional buckfast capital although I hear sales up round yer spot have hit a huge revival in recent years!
Quote from: Manning18 on June 21, 2022, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
How would the wind and especially rain suit Galway? They have very little physicality all over, their whole game is based on quick counter attacking at speed, usually with the foot. Armagh are a much more physical side and would be expected to thrive in a game in the trenches. Galway rely heavily on individual moments from their best footballers, Conroy Walsh & Comer, none of whom would suit a wet day whatsoever. Both Galways Connacht wins came on hot dry days. Historically they've performed poorly when the elements have been bad. It would probably blunt Armagh's direct kicking game in alright, but that's also what Galway have been incorporating heavily also
The forecast today makes rain more likely than not on Sunday.
There is more rain generally in Galway than Armagh
(https://www.eldoradoweather.com/forecast/climate/climate-maps/ireland-annual-precip.gif)
A few tickets still available
https://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18005CBEA7F4ADC2
Anyone looking tickets, I have 4 for upper Cusack, section 714. Face value (40 each) ono.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
Get your order in to wee paddy's asap.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 22, 2022, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 21, 2022, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
How would the wind and especially rain suit Galway? They have very little physicality all over, their whole game is based on quick counter attacking at speed, usually with the foot. Armagh are a much more physical side and would be expected to thrive in a game in the trenches. Galway rely heavily on individual moments from their best footballers, Conroy Walsh & Comer, none of whom would suit a wet day whatsoever. Both Galways Connacht wins came on hot dry days. Historically they've performed poorly when the elements have been bad. It would probably blunt Armagh's direct kicking game in alright, but that's also what Galway have been incorporating heavily also
The forecast today makes rain more likely than not on Sunday.
There is more rain generally in Galway than Armagh
(https://www.eldoradoweather.com/forecast/climate/climate-maps/ireland-annual-precip.gif)
Haha. I can't believe I'm actually entertaining a discussion on this one. But anyway, Galway and Armagh are in the same shade in that graphic. Those darker blue spots, they're all mountains
We do get our share of rain though alright. Unfortunately we've been training in that new Connacht dome all winter. Feck it
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
Tell me this... was chatting to a lad there and he happened to say that Croke Park dont allow you to take a backpack in anymore. Now i says, sure i was there in Jan for the league game v the dubs and brought one in no bother.
I'm now thinking, feck could he be right. Long oul time in Croke Park for the 2 games and the kids with me. I need a right supply of sambos and snacks!
Anyone able to shed light on this for me?
Can only go by my own experience but we were able to take in one of those Club Tyrone Summer camp bags into the All-Ireland Final last year. They vigorously searched all bags going in (we were in the Cusack stand) and took 2 cans of Fanta off us (the cans were at the bottom of the bag under other stuff). I had only expected them to do a quick rummage like the other times we were previously in Croke Park but they did let us drink them before going in which was awful nice of them!.
If you are going to take in fizzy drinks for the kids then just put them in your coat pocket!
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
Anyone predicting the result of this game with any degree of certainty is lying since there is no reliable form guide to base it off. I think that is a large part of the appeal of the fixture. Armagh v Donegal on the other hand carried a lot of familiarity fatigue for players and fans even though it ultimately turned out to be a great match.
I think that Armagh have the momentum though and if they continue to play with the same freedom I think they will be very hard to beat on Sunday. We have been used to playing division one opposition all year which is ideal preparation whereas Galway have only played division 2 sides with the exception of Mayo. I think Galway might struggle to live with our level of intensity and tackling. That said I can't pretend to know an awful lot about Galway but, rightly or wrongly, the perception is that they have some very good attacking players but that defensively they are suspect.
The area I'd be worried about most on Sunday is our midfield which is a long way off the level of the top teams. For that reason I think Rian O'Neill will spend most of the match around the middle and I think that is where he is most effective anyway although he might spend some short spells playing inside. If Rafferty can have a good day on kick outs and we can get close to breaking even around midfield then I think we will have a great chance as we have the quality up front to do damage on a big pitch. I don't think the weather will favour any side, the pitch will still be in pristine condition and a greasy ball just favours the better ball handling team.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2022, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 22, 2022, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 21, 2022, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 11:10:27 AM
G, u some amount of jump on the bandwagon Armagh supporters when you barely had 7k at Ballybofey. (Limited Capacity of course)
There was 10,000+ Armagh people at the league games in the Athletic grounds against Tyrone and Kerry and not many less against Monaghan. There are a good few for whom it will not be their first game.
20 years ago the Armagh championship support was about 16,000, which is a substantial proportion of the county.
This game will attract people with Armagh connections who think that Kerry v Mayo might be interesting too.
The forecast for Sunday is a bit mixed at present, it would be nice if the rain and wind held off as it would suit Galway.
How would the wind and especially rain suit Galway? They have very little physicality all over, their whole game is based on quick counter attacking at speed, usually with the foot. Armagh are a much more physical side and would be expected to thrive in a game in the trenches. Galway rely heavily on individual moments from their best footballers, Conroy Walsh & Comer, none of whom would suit a wet day whatsoever. Both Galways Connacht wins came on hot dry days. Historically they've performed poorly when the elements have been bad. It would probably blunt Armagh's direct kicking game in alright, but that's also what Galway have been incorporating heavily also
The forecast today makes rain more likely than not on Sunday.
There is more rain generally in Galway than Armagh
(https://www.eldoradoweather.com/forecast/climate/climate-maps/ireland-annual-precip.gif)
Haha. I can't believe I'm actually entertaining a discussion on this one. But anyway, Galway and Armagh are in the same shade in that graphic. Those darker blue spots, they're all mountains
We do get our share of rain though alright. Unfortunately we've been training in that new Connacht dome all winter. Feck it
Whilst the Map is sure to get Alarm bells ringing in Mc Geeneys camp as neither him or Donaghy have much experience of living in rainswept counties. Rory Gallagher will be relaxed sitting on his leather chair stroking his cat. The Fermanagh man is having a nice week...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
I can think of only one lad that height on the whole panel - Patrick Kelly.
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2022, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
I can think of only one lad that height on the whole panel - Patrick Kelly.
what size is Comer?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2022, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
I can think of only one lad that height on the whole panel - Patrick Kelly.
what size is Comer?
He wouldn't be overly tall would he? Built like a belgian blue though!
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2022, 02:01:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2022, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2022, 10:22:56 PM
Little physicality, you got 3/4 lads over 6ft 4in depending on who u starting.
I can think of only one lad that height on the whole panel - Patrick Kelly.
what size is Comer?
He wouldn't be overly tall would he? Built like a belgian blue though!
Strong as an ox but only about 6 foot tall
Comers Galway's only physical presence really despite being 6ft tops. Sean Kelly is the best bet on a light defence for Rian if he goes inside but you'd still worry. There's essentially zero midfielders in the 26. The best of them is out in America in Peter Cooke, while the 2/3 others who floated around in recent seasons have either fallen foul of Joyce or visa versa and dropped away. So we rely on Conroy who's really a forward and is a bit undersized as a traditional ball winning midfielder, and a wing back in McDaid. Patrick Kelly as someone mentioned is huge alright, about 6 5' but at 21 is a bag of bones still and will be a forward, if he starts.
That's essentially the big issue for Galway, we have a keeper who can't get quick kickouts away and lack the size and ball winning ability for when he goes deep, which is the majority of the time. In the Mayo game they had 50% more possessions than Galway. That'll need to change Sunday but it's hard to envisage a scenario where Galway won't lose that statistic again. Happened versus Roscommon also
So you're essentially hoping to get past that and place hope in the team's good points, a lot of pace on the break from all over, and forwards who can score from limited possession. It'll likely cost them in the end however
In the Connacht final it appeared Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy was the Galway midfield pairing. McDaid played wing back and was heavily involved in the counter attacking with his pace. Molloy, Sean Kelly were doing man marking roles both probably to do the same on Armagh best two forwards on Sunday?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
In the Connacht final it appeared Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy was the Galway midfield pairing. McDaid played wing back and was heavily involved in the counter attacking with his pace. Molloy, Sean Kelly were doing man marking roles both probably to do the same on Armagh best two forwards on Sunday?
Molloy is the Corofin fella with the long hair? Who would he be likely to pick up do you think? Consensus seems to be Kelly will pick up Rian. Nugent, Grugan and Soupy all need man marked as well- all capable of ripping any team a new one. As are Comer/Walsh/Conroy for Galway.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
In the Connacht final it appeared Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy was the Galway midfield pairing. McDaid played wing back and was heavily involved in the counter attacking with his pace. Molloy, Sean Kelly were doing man marking roles both probably to do the same on Armagh best two forwards on Sunday?
Molloy is the Corofin fella with the long hair? Who would he be likely to pick up do you think? Consensus seems to be Kelly will pick up Rian. Nugent, Grugan and Soupy all need man marked as well- all capable of ripping any team a new one. As are Comer/Walsh/Conroy for Galway.
That's him, when given the man marking role Galway management normally earmark the most creative and likely goal scorer. Sean Kelly will likely be tasked with Rian O'Neill.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2022, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
In the Connacht final it appeared Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy was the Galway midfield pairing. McDaid played wing back and was heavily involved in the counter attacking with his pace. Molloy, Sean Kelly were doing man marking roles both probably to do the same on Armagh best two forwards on Sunday?
Molloy is the Corofin fella with the long hair? Who would he be likely to pick up do you think? Consensus seems to be Kelly will pick up Rian. Nugent, Grugan and Soupy all need man marked as well- all capable of ripping any team a new one. As are Comer/Walsh/Conroy for Galway.
That's him, when given the man marking role Galway management normally earmark the most creative and likely goal scorer. Sean Kelly will likely be tasked with Rian O'Neill.
Has to be Kelly. Liam Silke is the only other possibility.
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
I don't know much about Galway but it's dangerous to talk with authority about how a game is likely to go or how particular teams will play on the day. I wouldn't have a clue how to call most games never mind this one.
You Galway lads not even know the height of u lads. Paul Conroy, all 6ft 4 of him is not a ball fetching midfielder, right, Tierney a inch bigger again, christ.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2022, 03:56:27 PM
Comers Galway's only physical presence really despite being 6ft tops. Sean Kelly is the best bet on a light defence for Rian if he goes inside but you'd still worry. There's essentially zero midfielders in the 26. The best of them is out in America in Peter Cooke, while the 2/3 others who floated around in recent seasons have either fallen foul of Joyce or visa versa and dropped away. So we rely on Conroy who's really a forward and is a bit undersized as a traditional ball winning midfielder, and a wing back in McDaid. Patrick Kelly as someone mentioned is huge alright, about 6 5' but at 21 is a bag of bones still and will be a forward, if he starts.
That's essentially the big issue for Galway, we have a keeper who can't get quick kickouts away and lack the size and ball winning ability for when he goes deep, which is the majority of the time. In the Mayo game they had 50% more possessions than Galway. That'll need to change Sunday but it's hard to envisage a scenario where Galway won't lose that statistic again. Happened versus Roscommon also
So you're essentially hoping to get past that and place hope in the team's good points, a lot of pace on the break from all over, and forwards who can score from limited possession. It'll likely cost them in the end however
That's good to know because I would have doubts about Armaghs midfield as well so it sounds like we both have the same strengths and weaknesses in terms of defence, midfield and attack. I would gladly take 50% possession around the middle and trust in our forwards to win us the match. There is also a doubt as to how strong Rafferty is under pressure when a squeeze is put on his kick outs. However if in doubt I noticed that he tends to put a lot towards the sideline which is the best place to lose the ball. Armaghs defence has improved considerably this season but it will be interesting to see how it holds up under pressure on Sunday as I believe this Galway forward line could be the best we've faced yet. This season we have reduced the amount of scoreable free kicks we are giving away under pressure.
I see that Coldrick is down to referee the match which should suit Armagh as he allows a bit more physical contact than most referees and he had a great game refereeing us against Tyrone.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
In the Connacht final it appeared Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy was the Galway midfield pairing. McDaid played wing back and was heavily involved in the counter attacking with his pace. Molloy, Sean Kelly were doing man marking roles both probably to do the same on Armagh best two forwards on Sunday?
Molloy is the Corofin fella with the long hair? Who would he be likely to pick up do you think? Consensus seems to be Kelly will pick up Rian. Nugent, Grugan and Soupy all need man marked as well- all capable of ripping any team a new one. As are Comer/Walsh/Conroy for Galway.
Nugent worries me. He'll be picked up by one of Glynn (pacy but young and lacks strength) or Silke (experienced but lacks mobility for a corner). I think he could cause either issues. John Daly is Galways best defender but will likely play the sweeper role and try hold the middle as much as possible. Molloy may tag Rian if he roams far from goal but otherwise I'd say he'll be on Campbell. Glynn on Nugent and Silke on Grugan if I had to guess but depends who far Grugan plays from goal also
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2022, 05:06:00 PM
You Galway lads not even know the height of u lads. Paul Conroy, all 6ft 4 of him is not a ball fetching midfielder, right, Tierney a inch bigger again, christ.
Literally a simple google will tell you Conroy's not 6 4'. We've been watching him for 15 years, often as the midfield partner of actual 6 4' players such as Tom Flynn or Fintain o'Currain.
This is one of the oddest things I've ever seen someone get butthurt over. Galway fans explaining an area that their team is lacking in and an opposition fan trying to argue against it. Weird
Quote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2022, 05:06:00 PM
You Galway lads not even know the height of u lads. Paul Conroy, all 6ft 4 of him is not a ball fetching midfielder, right, Tierney a inch bigger again, christ.
Literally a simple google will tell you Conroy's not 6 4'. We've been watching him for 15 years, often as the midfield partner of actual 6 4' players such as Tom Flynn or Fintain o'Currain.
This is one of the oddest things I've ever seen someone get butthurt over. Galway fans explaining an area that their team is lacking in and an opposition fan trying to argue against it. Weird
He is 6'3" or thereabouts.
This could come down to inches
He's 6ft 4 cause he played against James kielt more than a few time since minor and he always been bigger than him, Kielt was over 6ft 3in.
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
It's hard to know what level Ulster football is at. This weekend should tell a tale.
Armagh have been probably one of the few teams who have had a huge spread of scorers through the league and championship and a lot from play. I get what you mean they flatter to deceive at the business end but so do Galway. I think Galway have only won 1 game in Croke Park since 2001 including league Armagh have won a right few games there in recent times. It will be an intresting Match up thats for sure. I think the game will be won on the day massively influenced by the keepers kickout Midfield battle and how the ref fairs out for both teams. I think its a toss up between the both in terms of Player Ability
Quote from: Armagh2022 on June 23, 2022, 09:29:04 AM
Armagh have been probably one of the few teams who have had a huge spread of scorers through the league and championship and a lot from play. I get what you mean they flatter to deceive at the business end but so do Galway. I think Galway have only won 1 game in Croke Park since 2001 including league Armagh have won a right few games there in recent times. It will be an intresting Match up thats for sure. I think the game will be won on the day massively influenced by the keepers kickout Midfield battle and how the ref fairs out for both teams. I think its a toss up between the both in terms of Player Ability
I don't think anyone could argue with that statement re Galway to be fair.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 23, 2022, 08:58:11 AM
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
I really, really hope you are wrong on that, but I don't mind telling you as an Armagh supporter and a lifelong member of the 'glass half empty brigade', your post articulated a lot of my fears ahead of this match.
This is as a good draw for Armagh (as it was for Galway) but too many are conflating a good draw with an easy draw and this match is not that. I would guess that Galway are - by some distance - the best team we will have played in the Championship this year and will represent a formidable obstacle for us.
The Galway Croke Park thing is overplayed a bit. In the last 10 years they've played there 7 times. A 1-6 record looks crap on the face of it but only once were they favourites and they were rank outsiders for 5 of them. Played Cork and Donegal soon after those two were competing in finals and Galway were in the doldrums. Lost two and won 1 v Kerry which is a decent return for most counties. Lost to Mayo last year after running out of steam and multiple injuries after an excellent first half. A great second half display from mayo on that on etbf. The one real black mark was a loss to Tipperary. In hindsight that team wasn't near the level required
The Corofin lads have spent their club careers running amok in Croker. About 8 panel members won an u20 All Ireland v Dublin there two years back. Others have won underage AI's there also. I don't think the venue will be an excuse
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 23, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 23, 2022, 08:58:11 AM
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
I really, really hope you are wrong on that, but I don't mind telling you as an Armagh supporter and a lifelong member of the 'glass half empty brigade', your post articulated a lot of my fears ahead of this match.
This is as a good draw for Armagh (as it was for Galway) but too many are conflating a good draw with an easy draw and this match is not that. I would guess that Galway are - by some distance - the best team we will have played in the Championship this year and will represent a formidable obstacle for us.
The funny thing is, all that can be put to bed with the run you're on by continuing to win. I'll be fully sold that you're a different team if you do it against a team in good form, and not under a cloud for some reason. Lord knows you have the talent, just need to produce the goods now consistently. And no reason you can't, especially with the support you'll bring, with that behind you.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 23, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 23, 2022, 08:58:11 AM
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
I really, really hope you are wrong on that, but I don't mind telling you as an Armagh supporter and a lifelong member of the 'glass half empty brigade', your post articulated a lot of my fears ahead of this match.
This is as a good draw for Armagh (as it was for Galway) but too many are conflating a good draw with an easy draw and this match is not that. I would guess that Galway are - by some distance - the best team we will have played in the Championship this year and will represent a formidable obstacle for us.
When did Armagh last put in a performance three times in a row against decent teams?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2022, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 23, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 23, 2022, 08:58:11 AM
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
I really, really hope you are wrong on that, but I don't mind telling you as an Armagh supporter and a lifelong member of the 'glass half empty brigade', your post articulated a lot of my fears ahead of this match.
This is as a good draw for Armagh (as it was for Galway) but too many are conflating a good draw with an easy draw and this match is not that. I would guess that Galway are - by some distance - the best team we will have played in the Championship this year and will represent a formidable obstacle for us.
When did Armagh last put in a performance three times in a row against decent teams?
That's the concern I was raising. And the first 2 wins were against decent teams but on the back of a bad loss themselves. Thing is though, those streaks are made for breaking, so no reason it can't happen this weekend.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2022, 10:47:20 AM
The Galway Croke Park thing is overplayed a bit. In the last 10 years they've played there 7 times. A 1-6 record looks crap on the face of it but only once were they favourites and they were rank outsiders for 5 of them. Played Cork and Donegal soon after those two were competing in finals and Galway were in the doldrums. Lost two and won 1 v Kerry which is a decent return for most counties. Lost to Mayo last year after running out of steam and multiple injuries after an excellent first half. A great second half display from mayo on that on etbf. The one real black mark was a loss to Tipperary. In hindsight that team wasn't near the level required
The Corofin lads have spent their club careers running amok in Croker. About 8 panel members won an u20 All Ireland v Dublin there two years back. Others have won underage AI's there also. I don't think the venue will be an excuse
There should be no excuses now full stop. The days of no shows and flat performances at this level aren't going to cut it. I still have worries about this Galway team particularly around the kick outs, it's hard to imagine that we can continue to come a distant second best on restarts at both ends and prevail now that the business end has arrived. Our score conversion rate has improved and has been generally excellent this year - obviously that has must continue. I don't know what way this game is going to go on Sunday, there's no recent familiarity between the teams at all, Galway can't be trusted at this stage of the championship yet, a complete disappointment, a really good display or anything at all in between wouldn't shock me. Armagh could be the real coming force that they are being talked up as, they may not be, we don't know really.
If these Galway lads want to do something major then this Sunday is the opportunity, they need to show up, play well, take every chance they get and make Armagh earn every score. If Galway play well but still lose because Armagh are the better team after that then there will be no complaints and nothing to say bar best of luck to them going forward.
On a point or two you make yes it is hard to know with either of these teams whether it's hype or whether they are the real deal. The good thing with this game is you just don't know what you're going to get.
There are some fantastic forwards on view and I am really looking forward to it. I am not sure I'll even watch some of the rest of them.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 23, 2022, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2022, 10:47:20 AM
The Galway Croke Park thing is overplayed a bit. In the last 10 years they've played there 7 times. A 1-6 record looks crap on the face of it but only once were they favourites and they were rank outsiders for 5 of them. Played Cork and Donegal soon after those two were competing in finals and Galway were in the doldrums. Lost two and won 1 v Kerry which is a decent return for most counties. Lost to Mayo last year after running out of steam and multiple injuries after an excellent first half. A great second half display from mayo on that on etbf. The one real black mark was a loss to Tipperary. In hindsight that team wasn't near the level required
The Corofin lads have spent their club careers running amok in Croker. About 8 panel members won an u20 All Ireland v Dublin there two years back. Others have won underage AI's there also. I don't think the venue will be an excuse
There should be no excuses now full stop. The days of no shows and flat performances at this level aren't going to cut it. I still have worries about this Galway team particularly around the kick outs, it's hard to imagine that we can continue to come a distant second best on restarts at both ends and prevail now that the business end has arrived. Our score conversion rate has improved and has been generally excellent this year - obviously that has must continue. I don't know what way this game is going to go on Sunday, there's no recent familiarity between the teams at all, Galway can't be trusted at this stage of the championship yet, a complete disappointment, a really good display or anything at all in between wouldn't shock me. Armagh could be the real coming force that they are being talked up as, they may not be, we don't know really.
If these Galway lads want to do something major then this Sunday is the opportunity, they need to show up, play well, take every chance they get and make Armagh earn every score. If Galway play well but still lose because Armagh are the better team after that then there will be no complaints and nothing to say bar best of luck to them going forward.
I'd say I could swap Armaghs name for Galways in that post and the same would be true in reverse. 2 sides that have underperformed for too long- both have plenty of super players, both big name managers who are absolute icons from their playing days. Bolded is very true, if we're beat by the better team then we'll say well done and best of luck for the rest of the year, but we need to put in a huge performance.
As a Tyrone man dare I say I'm backing (and slightly hoping) our neighbours to do the business on Sunday.
To me both teams have have had the makings of a side that could challenge the top teams for a few years now but have been struggling to put the puzzle together. They seem to have both found the balance they were looking for. It could be a cracking game.
The momentum and support Armagh have will be enough to get them over the line. Their confidence will be sky high and they'll genuinely go into this All-Ireland series believing they can beat anyone and that alone can often be enough to transform players.
The biggest issue for the orange men is winning the midfield battle.
I have not been impressed with them to date and think Galway are far superior in that department.
However I dont think think Galways defence will be able to hold the Armagh forwards if they are on form.
Narrow win for Armagh
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2022, 10:47:20 AM
The Galway Croke Park thing is overplayed a bit. In the last 10 years they've played there 7 times. A 1-6 record looks crap on the face of it but only once were they favourites and they were rank outsiders for 5 of them. Played Cork and Donegal soon after those two were competing in finals and Galway were in the doldrums. Lost two and won 1 v Kerry which is a decent return for most counties. Lost to Mayo last year after running out of steam and multiple injuries after an excellent first half. A great second half display from mayo on that on etbf. The one real black mark was a loss to Tipperary. In hindsight that team wasn't near the level required
The Corofin lads have spent their club careers running amok in Croker. About 8 panel members won an u20 All Ireland v Dublin there two years back. Others have won underage AI's there also. I don't think the venue will be an excuse
Even lost to Roscommon this year there and it was unexpected.
Quote from: Throw It Up Ref on June 23, 2022, 12:42:03 PM
As a Tyrone man dare I say I'm backing (and slightly hoping) our neighbours to do the business on Sunday.
To me both teams have have had the makings of a side that could challenge the top teams for a few years now but have been struggling to put the puzzle together. They seem to have both found the balance they were looking for. It could be a cracking game.
The momentum and support Armagh have will be enough to get them over the line. Their confidence will be sky high and they'll genuinely go into this All-Ireland series believing they can beat anyone and that alone can often be enough to transform players.
Yous Tyrone sh*tbags are setting us up for a fall i reckon ;) Niall Morgan and now you lol
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2022, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 23, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 23, 2022, 08:58:11 AM
Not sure what to make of this match. Armagh are being bigged up a bit more than they should be imo. Don't get me wrong, good wins against (albeit terrible defending champions) Tyrone, and then a Donegal team, that even looking out of sorts, were fit to get back into the game and lead despite the bad start. The black card and penalty turned the game and then were able to coast after that. I'm just not sold on Armagh yet. For years they were fit to do it in league, but looked poor come summer when it mattered. They'll have huge momentum with their run, but really think a Galway team with good confidence, forwards in form, will be a very different thing than what they've seen this summer. It's a very different beast they'll be facing. I just think they flatter to deceive a lot. And with Rian O'Neill, a great player, but can go from the hottest of hot to the coldest of cold from one day to the next. If he has an off day, I don't see where Armagh get enough scores from. Think Galway are solid, playing well, and have 3 to 4 forward that need to be wrapped up, and can't see this being done to all of them so scores might come a bit easier to them. It'll be a battle and we'll see how Armagh go then, but I'd take Galway by 3.
I really, really hope you are wrong on that, but I don't mind telling you as an Armagh supporter and a lifelong member of the 'glass half empty brigade', your post articulated a lot of my fears ahead of this match.
This is as a good draw for Armagh (as it was for Galway) but too many are conflating a good draw with an easy draw and this match is not that. I would guess that Galway are - by some distance - the best team we will have played in the Championship this year and will represent a formidable obstacle for us.
When did Armagh last put in a performance three times in a row against decent teams?
The past is passed. Armagh are about to start a run of three great performances :-)
You would think Armagh should be able to win this one, but you really don't know which team will turn up, Donegal 1.01 or 1.02.
Only ask for Armagh is to bring the intensity to it like last two games, empty the tank on the field and see where it takes them after that. I'm sure Galway folk will have the same ask.
Really looking forward to it ... might not be the classic everyone expects, but defo has the potential.
It's a massive opportunity for whoever get's over the line.
Looks like it's gonna be a wet game, Sunday's weather is rain so what impact if any will this have on either team?. It's gonna be wet for both teams so there'll be no excuses, whoever adopts to the conditions better will probably win the game. It would be great to win as the buzz around the place is amazing, the kids and families that are going to the game is great so another day out for them to remember would sit just nice but unfortunately someone has to lose and whoever it it that's life and tough.
May the best team win and hope it's a spectacle for all...genuinely i expect two great games on Sunday...Armagh by 2pts and Mayo by 1pt
Shame about the weather if the forecast is accurate. Croke Park in the sunshine would have been nice!
Feeling a bit of trepidation about this game. We've received a fair share of plaudits on the back of the last 2 performances. It wasn't too long ago that our performances were as mixed as the weather. I hope we can keep the momentum going but the team still have a bit to prove. Galway are a dangerous opponent, fresh and hungry so offer a very different threat to Tyrone and Donegal who both carried a bit of baggage. No idea how this one will go.
Every man and his dog heading from south Armagh on Sunday, let's enjoy the spectacle.
Think we will win but it will be close
We need to back this team to the hilt
We have momentum let's keep it going !
Ive changed my mind in relation who will win about 100 times. We have the ability to win but so do Galway. Its a cliché but it could wee come down to who wants it most on the day.
Slightly off topic... where in Dublin (city centre-ish) would ye recommend as a decent spot to watch the two Saturday quarter finals?
Have a work thing on Saturday morning but will be finished in time to watch the games.
Cheers
The biggest issue facing us now is the level of expectation in the county and how we manage the occasion on Sunday. The last 2 matches we weren't widely tipped to come through but listening to pundits this week most of them seem to be predicting us to win. The fans can get carried away all they want, that doesn't bother me one bit but hopefully the players are able to deal with this and insulate themselves a little, since the sense of excitement has gone up a few levels for this match. It feels like its Armaghs biggest game since 2005 in terms of supporter anticipation anyway.
If they can manage all of that I'd be confident that we can get the job done in a close run game but wary that Galway are capable of producing absolutely anything as well.
Quote from: naka on June 24, 2022, 11:46:48 AM
Every man and his dog heading from south Armagh on Sunday, let's enjoy the spectacle.
Armagh may have more supporters than Dublin this weekend.
But I suppose when we have won 6 in a row the interest will fall off too.
Quote from: galwayman on June 24, 2022, 01:18:25 PM
Slightly off topic... where in Dublin (city centre-ish) would ye recommend as a decent spot to watch the two Saturday quarter finals?
Have a work thing on Saturday morning but will be finished in time to watch the games.
Cheers
Depends if you are Northside or Southside really.
Briodys and Pipers Corner are good GAA spots just on the Luas lines are good.
Just over the river Mulligans, The Swan and the Palace would have them on too. All nice Guinness too!
On the game it seems the general theme is that the fans don't really trusts their own teams. I hope the weather holds a bit and it doesn't lash down. As a neutral it should be tasty!
Colm O'Rourke. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0624/1306632-colm-orourkes-all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-picks/
Galway v Armagh, Sunday, 1.45pm at Croke Park
Evenly matched, the clash of Galway and Armagh promises to be the game of the weekend.
Armagh are the real form team coming in after big wins over both Tyrone and Donegal. The latter game showcased an exciting brand of football that will attract the neutrals.
Galway were a bit similar, with their gung-ho wins, but they had a very structured defensive pattern in place in their Connacht final win over Roscommon.
I think Armagh may have the edge here.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2022, 01:25:12 PM
The biggest issue facing us now is the level of expectation in the county and how we manage the occasion on Sunday. The last 2 matches we weren't widely tipped to come through but listening to pundits this week most of them seem to be predicting us to win. The fans can get carried away all they want, that doesn't bother me one bit but hopefully the players are able to deal with this and insulate themselves a little, since the sense of excitement has gone up a few levels for this match. It feels like its Armaghs biggest game since 2005 in terms of supporter anticipation anyway.
If they can manage all of that I'd be confident that we can get the job done in a close run game but wary that Galway are capable of producing absolutely anything as well.
There is a band of Armagh fans who think that promotion to Division 1 was a bad idea and would set the team back. And there is a band who think that excitement and expectation are the same thing.
This is the business end of the season. With the game comes pressure. Handling the pressure is part of the game. Good players are ones who have the full package of skill, fitness, commitment, game intelligence and temperament in all its many forms. If we are good or want to be good we need to show we can handle the big occasions. I think we are good and that there are bigger occasions (this year or the near future) than an AI q/f. Mental preparation is key. But thats what management is there for.
Quietly confident. Only quietly mind you.
Hard game to call, might require extra time to separate the two, hopefully the dreaded penalty shootout isn't how one side makes its exit from this championship.
Surely Geezer is a liability for Armagh
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 04:59:57 PM
Surely Geezer is a liability for Armagh
Simliar could be said for Joyce with Galway. Both have surrounded themselves with what appears to be decent management teams.
Galways one and only championship win in Croke Park since 2001 was in lashing rain. Same weather forecast for Sunday and good omen for Galway?
Best parking spots handy to Croker?
This
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 04:59:57 PM
Surely Geezer is a liability for Armagh
And this
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
Armagh are a force of social contagion
From the poster who writes this
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
Is this an educational standards issue?
Apparently the Portadown bonfire was lit prematurely on them last night or the night before and a few Portydown ones have been saying "I hope the Armagh fans enjoy their game" whatever they mean from that. If any of you from North Armagh are going to the game keep flags etc from your cars until you pass thru that Cesspit and alos be careful on the trains too that they don't pelt the trains with stones etc...I'm on the train myself but have the car on standby just in case...
2022 and the fact i'm typing this sh1t is unbelievable
This is too close to call me for me. Armagh have played 12 matches against Division 1 sides (as they were at the start of the year) and I think Galway have played 2. Will that make a difference? Will the 4 week break help or hinder Galway? Who knows. I think the issue might be Armaghs consistency or lack thereof. At times they have looked brilliant this year but at others they've looked really ordinary. They will need something closer to the former this weekend. Anything can happen this weekend and it like the rest of the season before reminds me of why I love our games. I just wish we had a whole summer of this to look forward to.
Quote from: LCohen on June 24, 2022, 05:43:04 PM
This
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 04:59:57 PM
Surely Geezer is a liability for Armagh
And this
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
Armagh are a force of social contagion
From the poster who writes this
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
Is this an educational standards issue?
Geezer was manager of Kildare in 2011 when they lost to Donegal.
https://youtu.be/xKZNP5Qrnfc
Donegal went on to win the all Ireland the following year.
There is great excitement in Armagh this year after years of mediocrity. I honestly do think Geezer is a weakness. Maybe he won't be exposed at this level.
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: LCohen on June 24, 2022, 05:43:04 PM
This
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 04:59:57 PM
Surely Geezer is a liability for Armagh
And this
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
Armagh are a force of social contagion
From the poster who writes this
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
If the match was decided on the basis of GAAboard posts, Armagh would be unbackable.
Is this an educational standards issue?
Geezer was manager of Kildare in 2011 when they lost to Donegal.
https://youtu.be/xKZNP5Qrnfc
Donegal went on to win the all Ireland the following year.
There is great excitement in Armagh this year after years of mediocrity. I honestly do think Geezer is a weakness. Maybe he won't be exposed at this level.
Were you expecting Kildare to win the All Ireland back then? from what i remember Kieran McGeeney got the best out of that Kildare team and lost a few closely contested battles including that one you have linked.
Galway unchanged team published.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWC3Sn0XgAM4NMf?format=jpg&name=small)
I'm worried. We always shit the togs in Croker. Hope I'm wrong. AFS2022!
Quote from: OrchardOrange on June 24, 2022, 10:36:23 PM
I'm worried. We always shit the togs in Croker. Hope I'm wrong. AFS2022!
Are you from Galway. Armagh's last game in Croker in January was actually rather good.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 24, 2022, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on June 24, 2022, 10:36:23 PM
I'm worried. We always shit the togs in Croker. Hope I'm wrong. AFS2022!
Are you from Galway. Armagh's last game in Croker in January was actually rather good.
Yep. Great league performance. Hope that stands to us.
Quote from: illdecide on June 24, 2022, 07:16:15 PM
Apparently the Portadown bonfire was lit prematurely on them last night or the night before and a few Portydown ones have been saying "I hope the Armagh fans enjoy their game" whatever they mean from that. If any of you from North Armagh are going to the game keep flags etc from your cars until you pass thru that Cesspit and alos be careful on the trains too that they don't pelt the trains with stones etc...I'm on the train myself but have the car on standby just in case...
2022 and the fact i'm typing this sh1t is unbelievable
I just hope rumours of planned disruption to the train line are only just that and don't come to pass. As you say, I've the car in standby as well at the first sign of any bother, but hopefully not. Shouldn't even be a conversation to be had in 2022.
Sorta coming away from my previous predictions.. Galway must be loving the hype Armagh are getting..
If Armagh were playing Mayo as Connaught champions would they be as confident?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 12:18:51 PM
Sorta coming away from my previous predictions.. Galway must be loving the hype Armagh are getting..
If Armagh were playing Mayo as Connaught champions would they be as confident?
No. Mayo are proven performers in Croke Park. Galway, like Armagh, haven't been in Croke Park that much. Armagh is just glad to be there, which does not show any lack of regard for Galway.
Galway have won an All Ireland Mayo haven't in the past decades..
Joyce will have set them up rightly might back the draw on this
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 12:18:51 PM
Sorta coming away from my previous predictions.. Galway must be loving the hype Armagh are getting..
If Armagh were playing Mayo as Connaught champions would they be as confident?
They would be.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 01:20:06 PM
Galway have won an All Ireland Mayo haven't in the past decades..
Armagh have won an All Ireland after Galway, so I am not sure that is a convincing difference.
I think a lot of people are confusing Armagh's joy of winning a few matches back to back and getting a run out in Croke Park with cockiness and disregard for their opponents Galway. Bar a few kids (without sounding sexist and a few females too) majority of us know this is a tough game that can go either way and we'll have to be firing on all cylinders to win this. The thing that has the juices flowing for people is knowing the side of the draw we're on (Derry, Clare, Armagh & Galway) and winning your quarter final is a massive chance to get to an All Ireland Final (all 4 teams are secretly thinking that).
The match ups for the big players and probably the Ref will be massive in this game...every time i think it over in my head i change my mind on who will win and by how many...I'm just going to Croke Park to enjoy the game and whatever the result i'll enjoy my day (if i can stay outta the rain) and if Armagh win...GREAT. If Galway win we'll wish them the best of luck for their Semi...Enjoy the game guys...
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 01:20:06 PM
Galway have won an All Ireland Mayo haven't in the past decades..
Armagh have won an All Ireland after Galway, so I am not sure that is a convincing difference.
You'd mentioned Mayo's being big players at Croke..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 12:18:51 PM
Sorta coming away from my previous predictions.. Galway must be loving the hype Armagh are getting..
If Armagh were playing Mayo as Connaught champions would they be as confident?
Mayo have been playing at the highest level for a decade. They are a known quantity.
Galway aren't. We don't know what level they are at. It could be a feast or a famine.
On the GAAboard it's the only match where predictions are split down the middle.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 12:18:51 PM
Sorta coming away from my previous predictions.. Galway must be loving the hype Armagh are getting..
If Armagh were playing Mayo as Connaught champions would they be as confident?
Mayo have been playing at the highest level for a decade. They are a known quantity.
Galway aren't. We don't know what level they are at. It could be a feast or a famine.
On the GAAboard it's the only match where predictions are split down the middle.
It isn't every day I agree with Seafoid, but that is about it.
It seems the winners will be playing Derry anyway.
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
Based on what?
Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
No idea how we will do tomorrow but in all honesty Clare are a really average team.
Was anyone really surprised by this result today?
A grandson of the late Dominic McGlinchey, former chief of staff of the INLA, was on the Galway minor team that beat Derry today .
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
The problem the Super 8s had was that there weren't 8 super teams in the country. There still isn't.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
The problem the Super 8s had was that there weren't 8 super teams in the country. There still isn't.
...... and never has been in the history of the GAA.
First 15 minutes going to be huge, think if either team gets a good start they'll be hard pulled back. The pessimist in me always errs on the side of caution so not full of confidence.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
The problem the Super 8s had was that there weren't 8 super teams in the country. There still isn't.
...... and never has been in the history of the GAA.
Not even 6
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Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
The problem the Super 8s had was that there weren't 8 super teams in the country. There still isn't.
...... and never has been in the history of the GAA.
Not even 6
Around the early '90's Circa 1988 to 1993 - Cork, Meath, Donegal, Derry, Down and Dublin
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2022, 06:24:18 PM
A grandson of the late Dominic McGlinchey, former chief of staff of the INLA, was on the Galway minor team that beat Derry today .
We are a community sport. There will always be links to all parts of the community including psychotic assholes
Oooh look. An internet tough guy 😃
Quote from: smelmoth on June 25, 2022, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2022, 06:24:18 PM
A grandson of the late Dominic McGlinchey, former chief of staff of the INLA, was on the Galway minor team that beat Derry today .
We are a community sport. There will always be links to all parts of the community including psychotic assholes
Father has a gym in Galway. Sound lad.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2022, 06:24:18 PM
A grandson of the late Dominic McGlinchey, former chief of staff of the INLA, was on the Galway minor team that beat Derry today .
We are a community sport. There will always be links to all parts of the community including psychotic assholes
Father has a gym in Galway. Sound lad.
Great people and a great family.
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on June 25, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Looking at the Derry game here and the standard of Ulster football Armagh will win tomorrow pulling up.
I doubt Galway will be caught like a rabbit in the headlights like Clare today.
The problem the Super 8s had was that there weren't 8 super teams in the country. There still isn't.
Dublin Kerry Mayo, Derry Galway Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan Donegal maybe the Rossies- it's a shite format but the teams are there if the draw is kind. Cork amd Clare got lucky draws they'd no placr being in QF
Today's match could be the start of a series over the next few years. Same for the semi.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2022, 09:58:23 AM
Today's match could be the start of a series over the next few years. Same for the semi.
Both teams are far too flakey to be saying something like that
Comer looks a bit shook since that clash with the Armagh keeper.
Who has wind this half or is it a factor?
Quote from: onefineday on June 26, 2022, 02:02:09 PM
Who has wind this half or is it a factor?
commentary said armagh
Rafferty very lucky to get away with that
Jesus shocking to give a free for that
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 26, 2022, 02:17:25 PM
Jesus shocking to give a free for that
Worse still it was called by the linesman!
Armagh well on top, because Galway are not marking certain players. That long ball fball from both teams would be well eat up by Dublin.
Armagh winning Midfield both kickouts, strange given the height Galway got around the middle. Galway on top past 15mins.
Good game. Armagh played some lovely stuff, but Galway have got to grips with it in the last ten minutes.
Finnerty starting to cause problems, Walsh non-existent at the minute.
Big push on there by Galway.
Stupidist yellow card ever, what an idiot.
Armagh just that wee bit too slack marking wise at the back.
We have reverted back to Ballybofey tactics! Galway lying down any time we get a bit of momentum.
Galway starting to edge Midfield on break ball, Campbell keeping Armagh in it. Comer, Walsh, Conroy, O'Neill, all the stars are all fairly quite.
Any Armagh score Galway man goes down.
Campbell is good. Galway, unfortunately, seem just that bit better.
Armagh corner bck lucky not to see the line there after that stupidity, total blindside, even though it was only a shoulder.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:00:20 PM
Armagh corner bck lucky not to see the line there after that stupidity, total blindside, even though it was only a shoulder.
Dirty dirty play.
Cheap shot
Thought Morgan had cut that cr@p out this year....obv not
Ffs. That's a disgraceful decision.
Terrible reffing, not a red
It's dangerous play he connected with the head ... straight red!!
That's a yellow, not a red, he was late. OK on replay its seems he hit hit square on shoulder/ elbow, still harsh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:08:53 PM
Ffs. That's a disgraceful decision.
No way. It was a very dangerous challenge. Yes he was going for a shoulder but he missed it and ended up as a frontal challenge.
Think the blood swayed the decision. The shoulder was frontal but didnt look like it caught him high. The head to head contact was accidental and thats what caused the blood.
On replay showed there he did catch him in the lower jaw
That sending off could prove to be the games turning point. 64 mins played Galway 1-14 to 0-13 ahead.
Ref got it right. Straight red
Somebody got send of that maybe 2 yrs ago, was Mooney of Down involved?. Reality is, Morgan probably should been on the line at this stage. Rory Gugan great first half, very poor 2nd half.
Quote from: Nanderson on June 26, 2022, 03:11:46 PM
Think the blood swayed the decision. The shoulder was frontal but didnt look like it caught him high. The head to head contact was accidental and thats what caused the blood
Maybe... would like to see it again from a better angle but if you go in recklessly and cause a head injury I think it should be a red.
Looking very bad on a replay from another angle.
Just seen the most recent replay.. yep was a red, real time didn't look it but that replay they showed it was
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:09:30 PM
That's a yellow, not a red, he was late. OK on replay its seems he hit hit square on shoulder/ elbow, still harsh.
Identical to the tackle on Eoghan McLaughlin tackle by Small last year - straight red all day long.
Plus, Jarly og should have got black for the trip immediately afterwards.
Armagh have time to get points. Should be plenty of added time, but they are going looking for goals.
Although a moot point if Galway keep winning the ball
Unless a duty of care when tackling is implied in the rule book (and I don't think it is) then that's not even a booking let alone a red card.
Game is over unfortunately.
Galway be hard beat.
Quote from: onefineday on June 26, 2022, 03:14:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:09:30 PM
That's a yellow, not a red, he was late. OK on replay its seems he hit hit square on shoulder/ elbow, still harsh.
Identical to the tackle on Eoghan McLaughlin tackle by Small last year - straight red all day long.
Plus, Jarly og should have got black for the trip immediately afterwards.
Nah I don't think it was.
Geezer clueless in croker again. ::) Should resign after the match
Quote from: onefineday on June 26, 2022, 03:14:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:09:30 PM
That's a yellow, not a red, he was late. OK on replay its seems he hit hit square on shoulder/ elbow, still harsh.
Identical to the tackle on Eoghan McLaughlin tackle by Small last year - straight red all day long.
Plus, Jarly og should have got black for the trip immediately afterwards.
Trip accidental, just bet by speed and skills.
Ref got it right. Reckless, dangerous challenge.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 03:14:03 PM
Armagh have time to get points. Should be plenty of added time, but they are going looking for goals.
They've spent day fisting over bar when goals on. Opposite of Derry.
Getting exactly what we deserve, too negative. Hopefully the end of McGeeney.
Conroy has went down in my estimations there. Shocking play acting.
I don't think Armagh are negative so much as getting destroyed at midfield.
Goal armagh.
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2022, 03:15:59 PM
Ref got it right. Reckless, dangerous challenge.
Looked very harsh. Need to see it again.
Doesn't take Armagh g long to revert to type. Thugs
Armagh losing the rag abit tackle wise.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2022, 03:18:40 PM
I don't think Armagh are negative so much as getting destroyed at midfield.
Goal armagh.
Galway are just better in reality.
WTF was O'Neill at?
Walsh should got a yellow there.
Jesus lads!!
Galway keeper need shooting!
Armagh definitely need work on their discipline but Galway at a while bit of play acting too.
That was not a free out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Conroy has went down in my estimations there. Shocking play acting.
looked like a finger in the eye (accidental though).
I do enjoy how after 30 years of coaches trying to ruin football, a long ball into the corridor of uncertainty is still such a brilliant tactic.
It was a free out!
Big balls here.
Jesus
What a game of football lads!
Armagh in a row, surprise surprise
Galway acting c***ts there.. Hopefully Armagh kick the f**k out of them in extra time
Jez, Galway sh1te the bed there!
disgraceful scenes
Comer is a p***k but someone was gouging at his eyes there.
Bit of eye gouging!!
Armagh sub hefty ban. tr**p
Who is the dirty tr**p in the body warmer had his hands in the eyes?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Who is the dirty tr**p in the body warmer had his hands in the eyes?
He had a punch wound up before he went out of shot just after that as well!!
I can make a case for most things happening due to the heat of the moment. But gouging. No. Gouging is the act of a complete ****. Should be a 12 month ban minimum. Disgraceful.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Who is the dirty tr**p in the body warmer had his hands in the eyes?
probably a hanger on
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 03:29:53 PM
Armagh have been thuggish all game.
Aye it was the Armagh keeper that went into Comer twice trying to kick the ball out... away on sir
Absolutely disgraceful. That gouging gouger should be banned for life.
f**k me, Galway had the ball in the corner and then let a loose pass go!
What the f**k was Shane Walsh at??
The mind boggles!
Quote from: Estimator on June 26, 2022, 03:28:46 PM
Bit of eye gouging!!
Seems to be.
If so, sc**bag should get a good long ban.
Some drama, the one worry Galway supporters had was towards Gleeson in goal he was Armagh way back into the game but so poor that Galway didn't close that game out when in total control of it and man advantage.
Will be suspensions with those scenes at full time.
Galway by far the better team in the 2nd Half, how Armagh finished level I never know.
Expect 4 Tyrone men to be sent off in the 2nd half.
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 03:29:53 PM
Armagh have been thuggish all game.
certainly been pretty thuggish the last 20 mins when it looked like they were gone.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Who is the dirty tr**p in the body warmer had his hands in the eyes?
Comer is certainly no saint but that tr**p needs a very long ban whoever he is.
There was an Armagh boy in a body warmer there who will be in big trouble.
Honestly think comer provoked a lot there but gouging etc. Not good.
Flaky Galway, goalkeeper awful. As regards thuggish behaviour from Armagh, what do people expect, a dog barks & all that.
Very entertaining all the same. Rian O Neill take a bow for holding nerve.
Shocking game management from Galway.
That cross field pass from Walsh was ridiculous, in the last minute, from a player of his experience.
There'll be a few lads looking a representation before the semi-final.
O'Neill deserves the Sam Maguire given to him for kicking that point under that pressure.
galway threw it away should have kept it in corner
The goalkeeper passed the ball out blind with a Galway defender standing beside him.,but the reason Galway haven't won th, is Walsh cross field pass that went nowhere near the player.
Quote from: Estimator on June 26, 2022, 03:33:24 PM
Shocking game management from Galway.
That cross field pass from Walsh was ridiculous, in the last minute, from a player of his experience.
There'll be a few lads looking a representation before the semi-final.
And each one of them will get off.
Fergal Logan will still have a say in this Championship yet!!
If there is any consistency then there be loads of red cards for contributing to a melee when both teams come out.
Derry are the big winners here.
Galway just did a Roscommon on it, very similar flaky teams.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 26, 2022, 03:33:52 PM
O'Neill deserves the Sam Maguire given to him for kicking that point under that pressure.
Think the ref let him away with a few sneaky yards.
Great kick all the same.
spillane tight
Who was that guy gouging? Not even togged. Bad rip whoever he is.
Spillane about to have a coronary here!!
There'll be some clean up of 'hanger-ons' now...hopefully.
Clear the side-line.
Would cut all this out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:36:17 PM
Who was that guy gouging? Not even togged. Bad rip whoever he is.
Tiernan Kelly be getting some ban
Deserves a few years.
Spillane ;D
He spoke the truth in fairness.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:34:27 PM
The goalkeeper passed the ball out blind with a Galway defender standing beside him.,but the reason Galway haven't won th, is Walsh cross field pass that went nowhere near the player.
That was a pass!???!?! I thought it was a shot that he sliced horrifically
Ah for f**k sake
what time does kerry v mayo start now is it 5pm
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 03:36:55 PM
Spillane about to have a coronary here!!
Agreed he needs to shut up.
I have said it before, all he wants is sound bites.
On the football....Galway undone by 2 high balls....cheap cheap goals.....McGeeney should have Armagh raining them in on top of the keeper in ET.
Can't imagine how Joyce will get their heads right after that collapse
Galway should have been out of sight. Armagh looked lost in HQ. Likely take a thumping if they get through
Eye gouging to my mind goes beyond a disciplinary matter. It is a criminal matter and should be dealt with as such. Shocking and I actually was initially hoping for Armagh to win.
Trouble with a Capital T - Horselips - Playing over the PA in Croke Park! ;D
But Kelly long term injured, he even on the match panel, if not he shouldn't be there.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306940-all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-galway-v-armagh-updates/
A look back at the disgraceful scenes at the end of the 70+ minutes shows Damien Comer being eye-gouged. Ref David Coldrick it would seem is collecting information from his officials and umpires.
Comer initiated the thing. Excuses nothing but he did.
Quote from: POD on June 26, 2022, 03:41:58 PM
Eye gouging to my mind goes beyond a disciplinary matter. It is a criminal matter and should be dealt with as such. Shocking and I actually was initially hoping for Armagh to win.
I really can't understand how the rule book hasn't been updated for it.
Immediate 12 month ban for an attempted eye gouge. This blight on the game will disappear within a week.
Much bigger loss for Galway
Kelly was very disciplined. (Galway Kelly). Really harsh on him.
Only we could make a balls of a 6 point lead at the death
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:44:22 PM
Comer initiated the thing. Excuses nothing but he did.
No Armagh lads over at him. They started it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Kelly was very disciplined. (Galway Kelly). Really harsh on him.
Feel sorry for Kelly, was having a good game. Not sure of his involvement?
Cop out from Coldrick with only the 2 cards.
Not sure why those lads got red, any idea?
Kelly seems like a gentleman, shakes hand with Armagh no 13. Galway more of a footballing team.
Ref had to send someone off I suppose
Is it 14 or 15 aside here?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Kelly was very disciplined. (Galway Kelly). Really harsh on him.
Feel sorry for Kelly, was having a good game. Not sure of his involvement?
He's a huge loss. Galway got the raw end of that. Not sure why they were singled out.
Can't imagine there are too many neutrals left supporting Armagh at this stage.
Aidan Nugent and Seán Kelly have received red cards.
Hard to tell in a rumble of 40 men. I find men running in, is intenional making it difficult to pick out troublemakers if it stayed between 3/4 persons. I think Kelly dragged the man eye gouging Comer and took a swing at him., as they became isolated from the crowd and easier to pick out. hard to tell though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:51:45 PM
Hard to tell in a rumble of 40 men. I find men running in, is intenional making it difficult to pick out troublemakers if it stayed between 3/4 persons. I think Kelly dragged the man eye gouging Comer and took a swing at him., as they became isolated from the crowd and easier to pick out. hard to tell though.
Yes can just about see this happening from that main camera angle
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 03:50:21 PM
Can't imagine there are too many neutrals left supporting Armagh at this stage.
I'm still 50:50 to be honest. Have to hand to Armagh coming back like that although Galway really needed to defend better
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 03:49:08 PM
Kelly seems like a gentleman, shakes hand with Armagh no 13. Galway more of a footballing team.
Yeah, seemed genuinely upset about the eye gouge situation.
Don't think Galway Kelly swung. He had plenty of opportunity to though.
Honestly think comer a big factor in instigating that whole thing.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:53:36 PM
Don't think Galway Kelly swung. He had plenty of opportunity to though.
Honestly think comer a big factor in instigating that whole thing.
You could be right. If he'd simply gone down the tunnel it probably wouldn't have kicked off
Soupy Campbell allowed 10+ steps all game
Issuing suspensions and making them stick another matter, Armagh love appealing, if Galway win they surely appeal kelly, would been a benefit to Galway if the keeper had been red card.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:55:14 PM
Issuing suspensions and making them stick another matter, Armagh love appealing, if Galway win they surely appeal kelly, would been a benefit to Galway if the keeper had been red card.
Is this kelly serving his suspension or will that carry through to another game?
Comer is no angel, got away with a mild box to the face of an Armagh man at start of extra time. Finnerty having a great game.
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:53:36 PM
Don't think Galway Kelly swung. He had plenty of opportunity to though.
Honestly think comer a big factor in instigating that whole thing.
You could be right. If he'd simply gone down the tunnel it probably wouldn't have kicked off
Teams will have to use a changing room in Hogan Stand and one in the Cusack Stand from now on.
That would cut this carry on out.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:51:45 PM
Hard to tell in a rumble of 40 men. I find men running in, is intenional making it difficult to pick out troublemakers if it stayed between 3/4 persons. I think Kelly dragged the man eye gouging Comer and took a swing at him., as they became isolated from the crowd and easier to pick out. hard to tell though.
If that was Kelly grabbed him he deserves a medal not a card!
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Comer is no angel, got away with a mild box to the face of an Armagh man at start of extra time. Finnerty having a great game.
Agreed on both. Thought that could have been red. Finnerty borderline the difference between the teams.
Stay classy, all that booing u think Dublin were playing lol.
Disgraceful scenes. He should be banned for a long long time.
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2022, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:55:14 PM
Issuing suspensions and making them stick another matter, Armagh love appealing, if Galway win they surely appeal kelly, would been a benefit to Galway if the keeper had been red card.
Is this kelly serving his suspension or will that carry through to another game?
Still carries. Mad GAA rules.
Half time in extra time. Armagh 2-16 Galway 1-20.
Galway managed that first half of extra time well, really took the sting out of the game.
I can't see how he won't be. His face will be all over social media, media etc etc. Suspect he'll be closing down his social media accounts soon.
But why is he even there if long term injured and not on match day panel.
Quote from: onefineday on June 26, 2022, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:51:45 PM
Hard to tell in a rumble of 40 men. I find men running in, is intenional making it difficult to pick out troublemakers if it stayed between 3/4 persons. I think Kelly dragged the man eye gouging Comer and took a swing at him., as they became isolated from the crowd and easier to pick out. hard to tell though.
If that was Kelly grabbed him he deserves a medal not a card!
Kelly trying to break it up. Galway sub hit Armagh Kelly then. He deserves a medal alright for the box.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 03:58:04 PM
Stay classy, all that booing u think Dublin were playing lol.
Derry have been doing the same at both the UIster final and Vs Clare.
Maybe it's time to accept it, adds to the atmosphere?
Spillane is worse than a drunk in a bar.
Just boorish.
Even for what's done, I prefer gaa punishment properly enforced in relation to the incident and not a nasty verbal assault on twitter or Facebook.
Armagh have got away with stealing some amount of steps at frees.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Comer is no angel, got away with a mild box to the face of an Armagh man at start of extra time. Finnerty having a great game.
Agreed on both. Thought that could have been red. Finnerty borderline the difference between the teams.
Best player on field, thing keeping Armagh in the game is the difference in both goalkeepers. Armagh keeper acting as extra man, Galway keeper is huge liability.
Jesus that is awful keeping.
3 shocking goals Galway give away.
Galway Keeper ................. WTF
Shocking goalkeeping
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Comer is no angel, got away with a mild box to the face of an Armagh man at start of extra time. Finnerty having a great game.
Agreed on both. Thought that could have been red. Finnerty borderline the difference between the teams.
Best player on field, thing keeping Armagh in the game is the difference in both goalkeepers. Armagh keeper acting as extra man, Galway keeper is huge liability.
You're not wrong!
Galway keeper has gifted those orange tramps three goals.
Galway the better team by quite a bit but if you have a goalkeeper who can't handle a high ball it's going to be a long afternoon.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2022, 01:20:06 PM
Galway have won an All Ireland Mayo haven't in the past decades..
Joyce will have set them up rightly might back the draw on this
Just saying... in fairness was refereeing so haven't seen it.
Never seen a keeper so dodgy under high ball.
This is some game
Our keeper (Derry) great under a high ball but his short kick outs dogdy.
I can see the tactic for Armagh. Horse her in to f**k
Galway under a high ball. Oh dear
Galway are dodgy as f**k under a high ball Jesus they haven't a clue what to do!
It's a exciting game just due to goalkeeping errors, Galway to me a way better team. It could go to penalties.
Yeah agreed with that. Derry should want armagh
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
It's a exciting game just due to goalkeeping errors, Galway to me a way better team. It could go to penalties.
💯
It's fantastic entertainment, wonderful championship game, best in years.
Armagh gonna win it.
Dead men walking everywhere. Bonkers game of football.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Shocking goalkeeping
I'd say his confidence is shot.
Imagine he comes good in penalties, if it goes that far!
this is a smash and grab
What's the gardas number, I want to report a robbery.
It's like Vietnam!
Walsh for the great player he is, goes missing in big games.He have to his mark on the penalties now. The
a penalty shootout
Galway still can't win a knockout game in Croker!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 04:15:58 PM
Walsh for the great player he is, goes missing in big games.He have to his mark on the penalties now. The
His stupid cross field pass cost them the win in normal time
Definitely the fairest way to finish this !
From a Derry point of view I def think we gave a better chance against Armagh though don't want to play them (Toll bridge mess) Galway I think beat Derry.
Unbelievable Jeff!!
No team deserves to win or lose this.
Surely if that lad who keeps dropping high balls into his net has been playing goals his whole life, then that's advantage Galway
Would prefer a replay than a penalty shootout to reach the AI semi final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 04:18:04 PM
From a Derry point of view I def think we gave a better chance against Armagh though don't want to play them (Toll bridge mess) Galway I think beat Derry.
Wouldn't fear either team but I don't think it'll matter there's literally nothing between them!
would having the first team to score 3 points after normal extra time be better than penalties
That Armagh eye gouger boy looking a bit solemn there. Likely realises what he has done.
............Wait and see - the Galway Keeper will end up being the hero and all will be forgiven!
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 04:18:50 PM
Would prefer a replay than a penalty shootout to reach the AI semi final.
Agreed
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 04:19:59 PM
That Armagh eye gouger boy looking a bit solemn there. Likely realises what he has done.
Probably doesn't realise the whole whoha over it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
............Wait and see - the Galway Keeper will end up being the hero and all will be forgiven!
Stranger things has happened. Hasn't he played soccer.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
............Wait and see - the Galway Keeper will end up being the hero and all will be forgiven!
I can see that happening!!
But all drawn games should be replayed, like the good Ole days but condensed season makes it impossible.
What a game.
The real question is how many pages will this thread be at this time tomorro 😊
*grabs popcorn*
Quote from: Rudi on June 26, 2022, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 04:18:50 PM
Would prefer a replay than a penalty shootout to reach the AI semi final.
Agreed
why not the first team to score 3 points
What's the delay?
Definitely getting our money's worth today in Croke Park today,Kerry and Mayo has a lot to line up to!
Rafferty getting close but Galway penalties good.
Ah balls that is that.
Unlucky there hitting the post, was a good penalty
Justice
The poor Armagh ones will get soaked on the way home now
Not sure about justice but the marginally better side won by a marginal margin
is next game still 4.45 or has it been put back to 5pm because of penalties.
Great game, replay a more deserved result, but the better team won if u take the bad mistakes out of it.
Galway by far the better team ........but boy did they fall over the line.
Justice done
Absolute scenes.
Galway fall over the line in a match they really should have closed out on 70 minutes when 6 ahead with the man advantage.
Hard luck Armagh dreadful way to exit a championship.
What's the justice thing? I'm not getting it
Best footballing side on the day are in the next round.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 26, 2022, 03:54:42 PM
Soupy Campbell allowed 10+ steps all game
It didn't help him in the penalties. He'll always let you down in clutch positions.
Spillane called both sets of players Gladiators! He's not wrong there, but not in the context he's talking about! ;D
Well done Galway. Best of luck to Derry in the semi.
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
What's the justice thing? I'm not getting it
A Tyrone dick being a Tyrone dick.
Hard luck to Armagh and to all the fans on the board. Beidh lá eile ag an Buckfast. Maybe post Geezer.
What a game. Credit to both teams for a fantastic spectacle.
Horrible way to lose, Soupy prob best player for Armagh and Turbitt scoring 1-1 - you would have had money on them both to score.
Galway slightly better team overall but Derry will be licking tbier lips at how much panic the high ball out into the Galway back line.
Quote from: Lotto on June 26, 2022, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 26, 2022, 03:54:42 PM
Soupy Campbell allowed 10+ steps all game
It didn't help him in the penalties. He'll always let you down in clutch positions.
Faceless keyboard warrior calls out player who had the balls to step up and take one
Best team won but they have serious limitations.
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
Right which Galway men are getting suspended for the semi 8)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2022, 04:15:58 PM
Walsh for the great player he is, goes missing in big games.He have to his mark on the penalties now. The
In fairness he was good today, but that was complete and utter madness.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
Pure waffle.
Both teams knew, that extra-time and then penalties.
No excuses.
I was cheering for Armagh for the 70 mins, but well done to Galway.
Great entertainment, pity about the row
Super excitement at the end.
Galway the better team overall I felt and deserving winners.
But their keeper needs to learn how to deal with a high ball!
And they've more in the locker from Shane Walsh, albeit they'd a good few lads who played the very best they can.
Would slightly fancy Derry for the semi.
Not matter who's suspended, they all get off as usual.
Quote from: red hander on June 26, 2022, 04:29:38 PM
Justice
Such a wander you are gives no credence to the gaa
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
Then you'd be calling them the greedy grab all association and gurning about the cost of another day out for fans. Just no pleasing some people.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 26, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
Right which Galway men are getting suspended for the semi 8)
Comer 100%
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
why not the first to 3 points
Actually think the penalties were a good way to end the game.
Overall, Galway were the better team and deserved to go through.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 26, 2022, 04:35:57 PM
What a game. Credit to both teams for a fantastic spectacle.
Horrible way to lose, Soupy prob best player for Armagh and Turbitt scoring 1-1 - you would have had money on them both to score.
Galway slightly better team overall but Derry will be licking tbier lips at how much panic the high ball out into the Galway back line.
Did anyone see that Campbell was cramping up quite badly just before the end of extra time. Did he slip just before that penalty or cramp?
Shouldn't let the full-time shenanigans overshadow what was one the game of the year.
Unreal by both teams and no reason Armagh couldn't push on from this with Oisin o'N eyc back next year.
Ulster 2023 will be a minefield.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
why not the first to 3 points
Jez, do you want Kerry and Mayo to play at all this evening?
Bollix to that, what an awful way to decide All-Ireland quarter final. Galway in fairness to them were the better team in normal time and only for a dodgy keeper Armagh wouldn't have found a way back into the match.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 04:45:53 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
why not the first to 3 points
Jez, do you want Kerry and Mayo to play at all this evening?
maybe you could make it first to 2 that way it still ends with a goal but would not be as cruel if there was golden point
5, if not 6, teams could win ulster next year
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 04:45:53 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
why not the first to 3 points
Jez, do you want Kerry and Mayo to play at all this evening?
maybe you could make it first to 2 that way it still ends with a goal but would not be as cruel if there was golden point
i'd go 1st to pull out gap of 2 points or more
Can't help but feel Armagh deserved to get bet on penalties. Brutal behaviour yet again.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
I'm currently on a crusade to help people understand penalty shootouts.
When you can shift your mindset from one in which the "loser" doesn't deserve to exit, to the (right) mindset in which a team that doesn't win a game has no right to proceed, it's a lot easier to take a penalty shoot out loss.
If you want to proceed, win a game. But if you don't win, don't expect a second chance.
Its prob been said earlier (not readin back 10pgs at this stage lol) but what about next score wins?! Imagine the tension while that plays out
Armagh always seem to let themselves down.
Great game. Fair to play to both teams. Hard to lose that way. Still a good year for Armagh all said and done so can take consolation in that.
Pity bout the melee, will be a big talking point I'm sure. Didn't see what kicked it all off so hard to comment.
Can't see Galway getting by Derry. Just too flaky.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 04:46:09 PM
Bollix to that, what an awful way to decide All-Ireland quarter final. Galway in fairness to them were the better team in normal time and only for a dodgy keeper Armagh wouldn't have found a way back into the match.
There are finals of much bigger competitions across the globe decided like that. Stop being so precious.
I don't care about finals in other sports. GAA didn't have to ape a foreign sport to decide its important knock out matches.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 26, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Its prob been said earlier (not readin back 10pgs at this stage lol) but what about next score wins?! Imagine the tension while that plays out
i said they should do first to 2 or 3 points wins
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 26, 2022, 04:55:48 PM
Great game. Fair to play to both teams. Hard to lose that way. Still a good year for Armagh all said and done so can take consolation in that.
Pity bout the melee, will be a big talking point I'm sure. Didn't see what kicked it all off so hard to comment.
Can't see Galway getting by Derry. Just too flaky.
Find a less dodgy keeper and I'd give Galway a right good chance of beating Derry.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 04:46:09 PM
Bollix to that, what an awful way to decide All-Ireland quarter final. Galway in fairness to them were the better team in normal time and only for a dodgy keeper Armagh wouldn't have found a way back into the match.
There are finals of much bigger competitions across the globe decided like that. Stop being so precious.
I don't care about finals in other sports. GAA didn't have to ape a foreign sport to decide its important knock out matches.
More tears please.
Are you 12 years old
Quote from: smort on June 26, 2022, 04:48:38 PM
5, if not 6, teams could win ulster next year
You think?
foreign sport but they worshipped a foreign religion
There might be an All Ireland in this Galway team, good forwards , becoming battle hardened
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Armagh always seem to let themselves down.
Is it an Armagh thing or a McGeeney thing?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 26, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Its prob been said earlier (not readin back 10pgs at this stage lol) but what about next score wins?! Imagine the tension while that plays out
Probably could have worked today but it'd be a hoor if you were the team playing into a hurricane.
True tbh
I think they should ban Galway this year and just let Derry through to the final.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 26, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Armagh always seem to let themselves down.
Is it an Armagh thing or a McGeeney thing?
I dunno at this stage, there's nonsense behaviour in every game they're involved in.
Lazy by the GAA regarding penalties, simply copying the deciding method from another sport, a method that is outdated aswell. Could have thought outside the box and came up with a method closer related to the way the game is played.
I wanted Armagh to win, but they benefited from getting the full 15 for extra time. Surely these kind of rules need changed as a team is only temporarily punished for a red card.
Quote from: smort on June 26, 2022, 04:48:38 PM
5, if not 6, teams could win ulster next year
Armagh could be missing a few for the first round after the investigation of todays shenanigans.
They could had 2 red cards to be honest with Morgan hit on Walsh.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 26, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Armagh always seem to let themselves down.
Is it an Armagh thing or a McGeeney thing?
It's a Nordie thing.
Delighted Galway won.
A hard one to take for Armagh but could ultimately be the making of both teams. Galway could power on this year and when the dust settles Armagh will have a superb starting point for next year. There were lads coming on in normal time there I'd never heard tell of, so we really were stretched thin. I hope the full management team recommit. It'll be another 50/50 match in the semi.
A good weekend for Galway (& Tyrone ones by the looks of it).
Did Comer strike?? Surely whoever got men in headlock will get a ban.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 26, 2022, 05:25:01 PM
Did Comer strike?? Surely whoever got men in headlock will get a ban.
Nothing to see here. Clean slates.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 26, 2022, 05:17:55 PM
Lazy by the GAA regarding penalties, simply copying the deciding method from another sport, a method that is outdated aswell. Could have thought outside the box and came up with a method closer related to the way the game is played.
Like?
Most consecutive hand passes?
Penalties are very much a part of Gaelic football.
Penalty shoot-outs aren't though.
Quote from: Turf on June 26, 2022, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 26, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Armagh always seem to let themselves down.
Is it an Armagh thing or a McGeeney thing?
It's a Nordie thing.
Delighted Galway won.
They're saints in Offaly apparently https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaa/673461/five-players-sent-off-after-ugly-brawl-in-midlands-gaa-senior-gaelic-football-game.html
Why did RTE continually cut to McGeeney, Donaghy and McKeever as if we were watching the great minds of the GAA in action? Have any of them won anything of note as managers?
Penalties are a good way to finish it and I'll say that even if Tyrone end up losing one in the future. The same Armagh ones whinging about penalties tonight no doubt were jumping for joy when the current team playing out of Ibrox lost a recent Euro final on pens.
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Sour grapes.
As I said before, every team knows about extra-time and penalties before the game.
Excuses.
Ironicallly, on 70 mins, Armagh people would have bitten your hand off if you offered them penalties then.
A replay after extra time is the best way! There would be some craic all week in the build up. Galway were the better team and deserved to win though I thought they got some frees alot easier then armagh did.
No sour grapes. Armagh could have missed a 45 also.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.
Not too many would score a 45 at the end of extra time.
Quote from: JP on June 26, 2022, 05:53:12 PM
A replay after extra time is the best way! There would be some craic all week in the build up. Galway were the better team and deserved to win though I thought they got some frees alot easier then armagh did.
Where we squeezing that into? Where, and will it be on TV? Next weekend is for hurling. And players know next weekend is off for them regardless. We all knew it was on the day, officials, players, supporters. We deal with it, as that's the calendar we wanted
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.
Not too many would score a 45 at the end of extra time.
And not many players can take one. It's a rare skill. Penalties can be taken by practically any player. They make more sense
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 26, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: JP on June 26, 2022, 05:53:12 PM
A replay after extra time is the best way! There would be some craic all week in the build up. Galway were the better team and deserved to win though I thought they got some frees alot easier then armagh did.
Where we squeezing that into? Where, and will it be on TV? Next weekend is for hurling. And players know next weekend is off for them regardless. We all knew it was on the day, officials, players, supporters. We deal with it, as that's the calendar we wanted
Who is we? It's certainly not the calender I would have wanted. We managed to have replays for years with no issue. Regardless the re-introdiction of the super 8 next year proves there is room for more games under the current "calender"
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.
Exactly. And players wrecked after extra time trying to kick from 45. Don't be ridiculous.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.
Not too many would score a 45 at the end of extra time.
Yip. It's pretty simple. They want to finish on the day due to the shorter season. I've yet to see a suggestion that betters penalties for that.
Kicking 45s ffs.
they can finish it on the day by having the first to two or three points after nomal extra time i cant believe the gaa have not thought of that or maybe they have.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Ibrox has nothing to do with it
45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.
Not too many would score a 45 at the end of extra time.
Yip. It's pretty simple. They want to finish on the day due to the shorter season. I've yet to see a suggestion that betters penalties for that.
Kicking 45s ffs.
they can finish it on the day by having the first to two or three points after nomal extra time i cant believe the gaa have not thought of that or maybe they have.
What happens if one team has a strong wind?
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2022, 05:24:25 PM
A hard one to take for Armagh but could ultimately be the making of both teams. Galway could power on this year and when the dust settles Armagh will have a superb starting point for next year. There were lads coming on in normal time there I'd never heard tell of, so we really were stretched thin. I hope the full management team recommit. It'll be another 50/50 match in the semi.
A good weekend for Galway (& Tyrone ones by the looks of it).
Take off the orange glasses mate. We scored 2 flukey late goals courtesy of a flakey keeper. Otherwise we were miles off Galway and could've been going home bate out the gate by 8 or 9. Geezer has to go
Alternate possession each starting from a GK kickout. team A start from their GK, once the ball goes out over the end line, point, goal they loose possession. If the other team turn them over they get an opportunity to score at the other end, but it needs to go dead. If team A score first, team B need to score to keep it going, if turned over Team A need to kill the ball by kicking wide or score.
Could be a great way to get a winner and it would be a team effort to win
If it's finish on the day, I've yet to see a better answer to penalties to finish a game in any team sport in the world.
Keep playing periods of extra time maybe but players already out on their feet.
With penalties it's the exact same for both players and teams.
Some of the alternatives been suggested.......FFS.
Interesting that Galway had practiced for them and played them at end of a few challenge games. That's some preparation and the teams have accepted them. Pat Spillane just thinks that everything some be the same as the 80s when Kerry reigned supreme.
Some 3 hours of drama and the fight thrown in.
Great entertainment.
Spillane and others decrying penalties obviously want Club games banished to October so they can have replays.
Hard way to lose but with 5 minutes to go Armagh would have gladly taken penalties.
Galway might need to change their goalie though.
The mask slipped again. Same old Armagh. They could start a fight over the drop of a hat. I wonder if it's that same old bitterness "ye forgot about us" begrudgery that a lot of republican nordies seem to harbour? Whatever the reason, I'm glad they have been well and truly exposed to the neutral.
Incredible spirit from both teams - Kelly, Tierney, Finnerty all showed Galway aren't just about Comer and Walsh. Galway will be a tough task for Derry.
Not sure how the row happened but it's lingered around Armagh all year as a problem. For me they didn't own the indiscipline problem earlier in the year - they'd rather appeal than sort it out internally. So same old today. The subs disgraced themselves and unfortunately it's something people will associate with Armagh as well as the great football they play. (And we haven't even had the Sunday Game yet).
What a buzz. Its the hope that kills you. Take oneill out of that team they are nothing. Thank you Galway.
Quote from: Louther on June 26, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
If it's finish on the day, I've yet to see a better answer to penalties to finish a game in any team sport in the world.
Keep playing periods of extra time maybe but players already out on their feet.
With penalties it's the exact same for both players and teams.
Some of the alternatives been suggested.......FFS.
Interesting that Galway had practiced for them and played them at end of a few challenge games. That's some preparation and the teams have accepted them. Pat Spillane just thinks that everything some be the same as the 80s when Kerry reigned supreme.
Some nonsense proposals indeed.
who actually uses the word nordie unless your some sort of pro tory or west brit
Quote from: Sportacus on June 26, 2022, 07:02:52 PM
Incredible spirit from both teams - Kelly, Tierney, Finnerty all showed Galway aren't just about Comer and Walsh. Galway will be a tough task for Derry.
Not sure how the row happened but it's lingered around Armagh all year as a problem. For me they didn't own the indiscipline problem earlier in the year - they'd rather appeal than sort it out internally. So same old today. The subs disgraced themselves and unfortunately it's something people will associate with Armagh as well as the great football they play. (And we haven't even had the Sunday Game yet).
Must get the popcorn in for that.
Spillane won't be on it at least.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 26, 2022, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: Louther on June 26, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
If it's finish on the day, I've yet to see a better answer to penalties to finish a game in any team sport in the world.
Keep playing periods of extra time maybe but players already out on their feet.
With penalties it's the exact same for both players and teams.
Some of the alternatives been suggested.......FFS.
Interesting that Galway had practiced for them and played them at end of a few challenge games. That's some preparation and the teams have accepted them. Pat Spillane just thinks that everything some be the same as the 80s when Kerry reigned supreme.
Back in the winter, I recall the Tyrone County Committee sending out a message to clubs in the county asking for suggestions other than a penalty shoot-out to ultimately decide the winner of a fixture where there had to be a "winner on the day".
They didn't get one response back.
Youse Tyrone boys love the soccer
Incredible game and fantastic entertainment. Galway were a few points the better team in normal team but their inability to deal with the high ball and then kicking away possession when they all had to do was hold the ball cost them dearly. They were otherwise very impressive but lot of questions about the way they almost threw that away. At the same time they deserve credit for keeping going after the disappointment of the final minutes then going a goal down in extra time. Will be a fascinating game against Derry, but that naivety would be punished by Derry you'd expect.
Tough to take for Armagh. For all Galway will be wondering how it went to extra time, Armagh still had to find a way to get those scores and they did. I had a lot of questions about Armagh through the league and early in the Championship but there are certainly reasons to be positive if they can build on the last few weeks.
Only negative today was the brawl. Absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing for the sport. Need to see strong punishments (that aren't rescinded on appeal).
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 07:09:41 PM
who actually uses the word nordie unless your some sort of pro tory or west brit
Ironic that someone who finds 'nordie' offensive thinks it's fine to use the term 'west brit'
Any why on earth would a tory use the term? 😆
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 26, 2022, 07:02:39 PM
The mask slipped again. Same old Armagh. They could start a fight over the drop of a hat. I wonder if it's that same old bitterness "ye forgot about us" begrudgery that a lot of republican nordies seem to harbour? Whatever the reason, I'm glad they have been well and truly exposed to the neutral.
Think that's says more about you view in the split than us in the north
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 07:09:41 PM
who actually uses the word nordie unless your some sort of pro tory or west brit
Ironic that someone who finds 'nordie' offensive thinks it's fine to use the term 'west brit'
Any why on earth would a tory use the term? 😆
where did i say i find nordie offensive
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 26, 2022, 07:09:41 PM
who actually uses the word nordie unless your some sort of pro tory or west brit
Ironic that someone who finds 'nordie' offensive thinks it's fine to use the term 'west brit'
Any why on earth would a tory use the term? 😆
where did i say i find nordie offensive
Well then stop your moaning nordie and stop using offensive terms.
There was very little to the row to be fair - a few hand bags - with the exception of the eye gouge
Looked worse than it was. Although in saying that Tyrone got 4 reds for contributing to a melee- if those rules were applied there would be 24 reds
where did i say i was a nordie
Quote from: tyroneman on June 26, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Shouldn't let the full-time shenanigans overshadow what was one the game of the year.
Unreal by both teams and no reason Armagh couldn't push on from this with Oisin o'N eyc back next year.
Ulster 2023 will be a minefield.
All go into a last 16 anyway where you'll probably end up with an Ulster team in your group
Quote from: OrchardOrange on June 26, 2022, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2022, 05:24:25 PM
A hard one to take for Armagh but could ultimately be the making of both teams. Galway could power on this year and when the dust settles Armagh will have a superb starting point for next year. There were lads coming on in normal time there I'd never heard tell of, so we really were stretched thin. I hope the full management team recommit. It'll be another 50/50 match in the semi.
A good weekend for Galway (& Tyrone ones by the looks of it).
Take off the orange glasses mate. We scored 2 flukey late goals courtesy of a flakey keeper. Otherwise we were miles off Galway and could've been going home bate out the gate by 8 or 9. Geezer has to go
Oh dear lord ::) Armagh is a small county, our club football is pretty mediocre, to get a seriously competitive team playing a great brand of football, reinvigorating the County along the way, is fantastic imo. A team depleted by multiple injuries as well. We can look forward to next season with confidence. But sure I'd love to hear your suggestions for alternatives.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 26, 2022, 07:13:20 PM
Incredible game and fantastic entertainment. Galway were a few points the better team in normal team but their inability to deal with the high ball and then kicking away possession when they all had to do was hold the ball cost them dearly. They were otherwise very impressive but lot of questions about the way they almost threw that away. At the same time they deserve credit for keeping going after the disappointment of the final minutes then going a goal down in extra time. Will be a fascinating game against Derry, but that naivety would be punished by Derry you'd expect.
Tough to take for Armagh. For all Galway will be wondering how it went to extra time, Armagh still had to find a way to get those scores and they did. I had a lot of questions about Armagh through the league and early in the Championship but there are certainly reasons to be positive if they can build on the last few weeks.
Only negative today was the brawl. Absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing for the sport. Need to see strong punishments (that aren't rescinded on appeal).
But sure that never happens and that's why it happens time and again. GAA is a joke shop when it comes to suspensions. And if Coldrick randomly selected the two captains for a bit of punishment, that's pure Father Ted stuff.
Poor old Soupy.
https://youtu.be/Nuw8GJbqx94
Heart not good after that. As a man who goes to pretty much every Galway game I'm not one bit surprised that our keeper almost cost us the game. He is a liability end of story.
How he is still there beggars belief to be honest.
At the end of normal time I feared we were gone.
But delighted we dug it out.
Cillian McDaid dragged us to penalties.
And to think an Armagh man invented the penalty kick...
What entertainment, well done to both teams. A game that had everything played in front of a huge passionate crowd, but penalties are a cruel way for a team to go out.
Must have been some Sunday drinking going on in here. Feeling thirsty now
Will there be a lot of suspensions arising from that brawl? The thing is they will only hurt Galway if there are many suspensions. Armagh are out now while Galway have a game in 2 weeks.
Everyone involved in the melee should be suspended from inter county football for the rest of 2022.
Great game and atmosphere. Both sets of forwards on top. Armagh are there or thereabouts, just need to fine tune a few aspects especially at the back. Don't think midfield won any of the throw-ins. The sending off seems to have been overshadowed by the argy bargey and the eye-gouging, but it didn't really affect Armagh and they showed great heart in dragging themselves back in, but then lacked composure that could have seen the game out. Galway for me were the better rounded side and deserved their victory, despite the efforts of their GK. Penalties is a shit way to decide a game though.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
Everyone involved in the melee should be suspended from inter county football for the rest of 2022.
;D
Armagh are not near tight enough marking in defense. Still a bit of improvement required.
As for suspensions that boy who did the eye gouging has his face all over social media so he has been got hook line and sinker.
Few thoughts.
Replace penalties with next 2 scores in a row wins. All right, it might go on for a while, but better than penalties.
The gouger needs at least 2 years. No need to ban anyone else. Just a few handbags.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 09:27:48 PM
Armagh are not near tight enough marking in defense. Still a bit of improvement required.
As for suspensions that boy who did the eye gouging has his face all over social media so he has been got hook line and sinker.
His name is actually trending on Twitter!
Armagh turned down at least 4 goal scoring opportunities they could have had the game won if they'd had a bit more courage!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 09:27:48 PM
Armagh are not near tight enough marking in defense. Still a bit of improvement required.
As for suspensions that boy who did the eye gouging has his face all over social media so he has been got hook line and sinker.
His name is actually trending on Twitter!
I would say he would be best shutting down his social media accounts!
Rian stole some amount of yards for that final free lol. Fair play to him, they all do it - funny how club refs will blow for this but I've never seen a County ref call it
Hall could have gone for goal too!!
McGeeney gave a poor enough account of himself when interviewed earlier by Sidebottom.
Armagh also kicked an easy wide right at the end that would have won it :(
Great game - gaelic football is the best.
Armagh six points down, a man down and then the give us the best 28 minutes ever. Hope everyone stays on the panel for next year.
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
I'm sorry to hear that about your nephew. Unfortunately big games bring the dickheads out of the woodwork. Get him going to league games where them boys are not at. I think you assessment is fair but the eye gouge looks so deliberate, I just can't see any mitigation against it.
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
Looks like he could be trying to push the guy away and connects with his eyes. I don't know. I'm sitting here with a heavy heart and it isn't just the result that is making it that way. Maybe I just don't want to think an Armagh player, a player form my own town and club, would do that.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Disgusting.
They'll probably be that full by the end of the night they'll remember nothing of it tomorrow. 5 tramps of the highest order.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
Intentional or not he had absolutely no need to get involved at all let alone blindside a player and put his hand across his face. It's a peculiar approach if not trying to gouge. Anyway he'll be hung, drawn and quartered by the morning which always feels a bit off for an amateur sportsman.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
Intentional or not he had absolutely no need to get involved at all let alone blindside a player and put his hand across his face. It's a peculiar approach if not trying to gouge. Anyway he'll be hung, drawn and quartered by the morning which always feels a bit off for an amateur sportsman.
When he could destroy the eye of a fellow amateur sportsman... then he deserves what he gets.
Quote from: Itchy on June 26, 2022, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
I'm sorry to hear that about your nephew. Unfortunately big games bring the dickheads out of the woodwork. Get him going to league games where them boys are not at. I think you assessment is fair but the eye gouge looks so deliberate, I just can't see any mitigation against it.
Cheers mate. He has been to loads of games all over the country already. We indoctrinate them early in our family haha. The poor lad was crying for an hour afterwards tho. He's pretty resilient tho so hopefully he will shake it off and be raring to go for the McKenna cup. Me on the other hand....
My experience of Armagh & Crossmageln supporters is they have some of the very best & worst supporters in the Gaa. Big days bring out the thuggish bandwagoners.
Can remember being at an Ulster final many moons ago between Armagh & Donegal. Bus pulls up with Armagh supporters close to Stadium, thousands of people young & old around, Armagh woman in her 20s first off the bus, pulls down her Jean's & drawers, squats about 6 feet from the bus, takes a pee like shes at home. Classy.
Well done Galway- probably were the better team on the day, some very good players-hope Kelly gets his red overturned and no one else gets suspended. They deserve a full compliment for the semi and best of luck to them. . Absolutely gutting way to lose a game- a replay next weekend would have been fairer.
We really have the best fans in the country- place was absolutely rocking and the second game felt like it was being played in a library in comparison.
What a game- what a score from Rian to level it too. Would be a crime if that lad never wins sam.
We'll be back though.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 26, 2022, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
Intentional or not he had absolutely no need to get involved at all let alone blindside a player and put his hand across his face. It's a peculiar approach if not trying to gouge. Anyway he'll be hung, drawn and quartered by the morning which always feels a bit off for an amateur sportsman.
When he could destroy the eye of a fellow amateur sportsman... then he deserves what he gets.
Oh I know. I just watched the video back and just before he releases his hand he closes his fingers it what only can be interpreted as a deliberate gouge. Questions need to be asked why he was near the field if out injured - anyone beyond the 30 on the pitch getting involved should be an immediate ban. The GAA should throw the book at him to the maximum extent possible, but the social media abuse is a bit much imo.
There is some crazy stuff on social media, trying to find out who his employer is etc to really sink him. Totally over the top.
Football needs depth and competitive games with teams bringing style to the game. Armagh and Galway certainly saved All Ireland QF weekend and as a result increased interest in the championship. It was game of the season for sure but maybe one of the best games for pure drama in a number of years. It's possible we'll see more Galway v Armagh games over the coming years, two teams going places. Galway v Derry has potential to be another epic which can only be good for the game.
One criticism, due to the epic nature of today's game it really shines a light on the crazy get a result on the day rule. We are not soccer so a shoot out has no place in deciding an All Ireland QF, especially with players out on their feet. Joyce was spot on and it's something I'd hope the GPA and county boards bring up in the off season. Congrats Galway though, they'll take some beating this season and it would be great for the game if them or Derry can win Sam which I think is possible.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 26, 2022, 10:23:46 PM
There is some crazy stuff on social media, trying to find out who his employer is etc to really sink him. Totally over the top.
For real? That's just pathetic FFS.
You make your bed you lie in it, sane in life, and generally if you're a **** you'll act a **** daily, whoever goes out and tries to gouge someone's eye out is a **** and deserves all that comes his way
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
You make your bed you lie in it, sane in life, and generally if you're a **** you'll act a **** daily, whoever goes out and tries to gouge someone's eye out is a **** and deserves all that comes his way
..............ah now,
let him without sin cast the first stone. He has a family, friends etc. Treating him like a dog solves nothing!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
You make your bed you lie in it, sane in life, and generally if you're a **** you'll act a **** daily, whoever goes out and tries to gouge someone's eye out is a **** and deserves all that comes his way
..............ah now, let him without sin cast the first stone.
I'd say MR has had a day in the club.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2022, 04:36:30 PM
GAA HQ should hang their heads In shame by allowing that penalty nonsense to decide a game.
We all should have had a replay to forward to next weekend.
I'm currently on a crusade to help people understand penalty shootouts.
When you can shift your mindset from one in which the "loser" doesn't deserve to exit, to the (right) mindset in which a team that doesn't win a game has no right to proceed, it's a lot easier to take a penalty shoot out loss.
If you want to proceed, win a game. But if you don't win, don't expect a second chance.
Fair summary. Rules are clear from the start .
After seeing Armagh's red card and behaviour today, I think we've been wrong about Tyrone - compared to other teams in Ulster, Tyrone are a sporting, clean, non-cynical team of good honest men.
With the Galway goalkeeper having such a horror show today, you'd have thought the Armagh penalty takers would have been told to at least keep their penalties on target.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 26, 2022, 11:24:38 PM
After seeing Armagh's red card and behaviour today, I think we've been wrong about Tyrone - compared to other teams in Ulster, Tyrone are a sporting, clean, non-cynical team of good honest men.
With the Galway goalkeeper having such a horror show today, you'd have thought the Armagh penalty takers would have been told to at least keep their penalties on target.
They'd have had more success if they hoofed the ball 50 foot into the air from the penalty spot and asked the keeper to gather the high ball. Would take a bit of skill but worth trying!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
You make your bed you lie in it, sane in life, and generally if you're a **** you'll act a **** daily, whoever goes out and tries to gouge someone's eye out is a **** and deserves all that comes his way
..............ah now, let him without sin cast the first stone. He has a family, friends etc. Treating him like a dog solves nothing!
I agree. The lad knows himself what he done was wrong.
This witch hunt of checking who he works for is on another level. Social media gone overboard.
The lad will probably get a ban.
Move on.
Some one has to be disappointed. Dragging this out for another week for Amateur players is wrong. If you are good enough to win over 70+ or 90+ minutes then good. If not you can't have any complaints going out to penalties.
Media sources will say otherwise because they want to sell more papers, podcasts, TV advertising etc.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 26, 2022, 11:24:38 PM
After seeing Armagh's red card and behaviour today, I think we've been wrong about Tyrone - compared to other teams in Ulster, Tyrone are a sporting, clean, non-cynical team of good honest men.
With the Galway goalkeeper having such a horror show today, you'd have thought the Armagh penalty takers would have been told to at least keep their penalties on target.
That's where they went wrong. The management clearly told the players to not hit the target....
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
Tonto, I'm guessing you're either a relative or friend of the player involved but the worst possible thing anyone can do is pretend that was accidental Excuse it with a rush of the blood moment or whatever but noone associated with Armagh GAA should make an excuse for it. Just call it for what it is ffs
Quote from: OrchardOrange on June 26, 2022, 11:43:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
Tonto, I'm guessing you're either a relative or friend of the player involved but the worst possible thing anyone can do is pretend that was accidental Excuse it with a rush of the blood moment or whatever but noone associated with Armagh GAA should make an excuse for it. Just call it for what it is ffs
Same club tho my playing days are long since over and I don't actually know him. I wrote that having only seen the photo. I've since seen the video and can't excuse him. He will have a deserved ban coming. I hope he takes it and learns from it and moves on from it. Also hope he is allowed to move on from it. As has been said, the witch hunt on SM is behind a joke
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
Everyone involved in the melee should be suspended from inter county football for the rest of 2022.
On the basis Tiernan Kelly had no business being on the pitch, treat him like the Louth fans in 2010 and give him a day out in court.
I'm serious. It's not a schmozzle when pitch invasions are involved.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 26, 2022, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
Everyone involved in the melee should be suspended from inter county football for the rest of 2022.
On the basis Tiernan Kelly had no business being on the pitch, treat him like the Louth fans in 2010 and give him a day out in court.
I'm serious. It's not a schmozzle when pitch invasions are involved.
Did you call for Philly McMahon to see court when he gouged?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 11:45:56 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on June 26, 2022, 11:43:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
Tonto, I'm guessing you're either a relative or friend of the player involved but the worst possible thing anyone can do is pretend that was accidental Excuse it with a rush of the blood moment or whatever but noone associated with Armagh GAA should make an excuse for it. Just call it for what it is ffs
Same club tho my playing days are long since over and I don't actually know him. I wrote that having only seen the photo. I've since seen the video and can't excuse him. He will have a deserved ban coming. I hope he takes it and learns from it and moves on from it. Also hope he is allowed to move on from it. As has been said, the witch hunt on SM is behind a joke
Fairly reasoned post there tbh. Sorry the young one got caught up in that
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
Everyone involved in the melee should be suspended from inter county football for the rest of 2022.
On the basis Tiernan Kelly had no business being on the pitch, treat him like the Louth fans in 2010 and give him a day out in court.
I'm serious. It's not a schmozzle when pitch invasions are involved.
Did you call for Philly McMahon to see court when he gouged?
He was a player not a spectator so a different set of rules apply.
But I wouldn't have complained if he took a ban.
Row as usual could been sorted by 2 lads when Donaghy had seperate them, as usual both sets of players plus subs again piled in. No f**king discpline in players 1. Because managers don't deal with it, 2. Melees make it harder to identify culprits. 3.players don't take responsibility for their actions, 4.Gaa don't bother their ass to sort it out and take a rugby type discipline approach, limit the rule book on appeals, close all loop holes, any appealed decision doubled if unsuccessful. How many other sports do you seen this shambles, with the usual it's only handbags, nobody got hurt etc to define it. It makes the Gaa a laughing stock.
Genuine question.
Why are non playing panel members on or near the pitch? How many of these mills see lads hopping a fence to get stuck in. Are there any rules around this?
Treat them like the rest of the paying public - pitch invaders - abd it will stop immediately.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on June 26, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Just home. Some thoughts.
1. Wel done Galway. Better team. Deserved winners. It was a smash and grab raid at the end from us. We never really got going otherwise.
2. The ref. No complaints. He gave some soft frees but against both teams. I thought McCabe made a fair but hard shoulder challenge but apparently he raised his arm so had to go.
3. The melee. Sadly we are the common denominator and while it looked like Comer was the instigator we have only ourselves to blame for getting involved. Again.
4. The gouge. I do not believe for one second, and won't be convinced otherwise, that he meant to do that. However he did it. The pictures don't look good and he will have to face the consequences of his own actions and take whatever ban comes his way.
5. Penalties. What more can I say. Gutted to lose that way
Lastly, and it is with a heavy heart that I wrote this. I am ashamed to be an Armagh fan today. My nephew is 5. He was in the toilet with his dad. 5 grown men. Armagh supporters, got into a fight. One of them knocked my nephew over. The lad is traumatised. He will get over it but will he want to go back to a game again? Woukd you blame him if he didn't. The guys were wearing Armagh tops. My nephew thought they were players ffs. At this stage I am not sure I want to go back to a game.
Anyway. Best of luck to Galway against Derry in the semifinal
Tonto, I'm guessing you're either a relative or friend of the player involved but the worst possible thing anyone can do is pretend that was accidental Excuse it with a rush of the blood moment or whatever but noone associated with Armagh GAA should make an excuse for it. Just call it for what it is ffs
Same club tho my playing days are long since over and I don't actually know him. I wrote that having only seen the photo. I've since seen the video and can't excuse him. He will have a deserved ban coming. I hope he takes it and learns from it and moves on from it. Also hope he is allowed to move on from it. As has been said, the witch hunt on SM is behind a joke
Fairly reasoned post there tbh. Sorry the young one got caught up in that
Tonto I hope you nephew is OK. With so many supporters there you will sadly always get some prats.
I agree with your on Kelly. He let himself and team mates down. He will realise that. Let him take his ban and learn from it. Many won't agree but he will need support too to cope with the repercussions.
Armagh unlucky. Red card was a horroble decision. Armagh will be happy with their 2 all irelands this year after beating tyrone and after beating donegal. First round of ulster and all ireland quarter final to show for it
And what about the nxt time their another Armagh melee, will the subs ever learn to stay out of it, if the managers attitude is, someone pushes you, push them back. He still on the playground in primary school or sthing?
I thought the red card was wrong and only a yellow originally but the replays showed different. Armagh should lost Morgan as well.
Only just seen the footage of the full time incident.
Dirty tr**p needs to get a lengthy ban.
I just don't get this gouging stuff at all and why anyone would even attempt it. It's pure cowardice
wonder if it will be on nolan first thing tommorow
I think it's all Tyrones fault
Sean Kelly did absolutely nothing to warrant a red card. f**king joke.
Ditto the Armagh number 13 did absolutely nothing either and got red.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
You make your bed you lie in it, sane in life, and generally if you're a **** you'll act a **** daily, whoever goes out and tries to gouge someone's eye out is a **** and deserves all that comes his way
..............ah now, let him without sin cast the first stone.
I'd say MR has had a day in the club.
Nope, came home after refereeing, watched that and thought pure **** action, and anyone defending it is a Cnut.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:14:45 AM
Row as usual could been sorted by 2 lads when Donaghy had seperate them, as usual both sets of players plus subs again piled in. No f**king discpline in players 1. Because managers don't deal with it, 2. Melees make it harder to identify culprits. 3.players don't take responsibility for their actions, 4.Gaa don't bother their ass to sort it out and take a rugby type discipline approach, limit the rule book on appeals, close all loop holes, any appealed decision doubled if unsuccessful. How many other sports do you seen this shambles, with the usual it's only handbags, nobody got hurt etc to define it. It makes the Gaa a laughing stock.
Spot on. It's time we in the gaa started accepting the consequences of the actions of our players. It starts with management and extends to club and county officials, player clearly transgresses, gets punished, accept the punishment - don't look for some procedural technicality to get the player off.
Of course, the gaa could speed this along by engaging a team of suitably qualified legal personnel to make the rules, sanction and appeals procedures water tight. Might take a few hundred K, but it would be money well spent.
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 12:43:12 AM
Sean Kelly did absolutely nothing to warrant a red card. f**king joke.
Ditto the Armagh number 13 did absolutely nothing either and got red.
From what I saw Kelly was a credit to his team and county. Without wanting to be a total hypocrite in light of my last post, he needs to appeal🤭🤭
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 27, 2022, 12:21:08 AM
Genuine question.
Why are non playing panel members on or near the pitch? How many of these mills see lads hopping a fence to get stuck in. Are there any rules around this?
Treat them like the rest of the paying public - pitch invaders - abd it will stop immediately.
Funny that you felt a need to preface your post with 'genuine question' as if being genuine is the exception.
There is a rule covering the unauthorised entry of non players onto the pitch and getting involved in affairs, Darren Hughes was given a ban for such a deed.
You can look it up in the book.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 27, 2022, 12:21:08 AM
Genuine question.
Why are non playing panel members on or near the pitch? How many of these mills see lads hopping a fence to get stuck in. Are there any rules around this?
Treat them like the rest of the paying public - pitch invaders - abd it will stop immediately.
Funny that you felt a need to preface your post with 'genuine question' as if being genuine is the exception.
There is a rule covering the unauthorised entry of non players onto the pitch and getting involved in affairs, Darren Hughes was given a ban for such a deed.
You can look it up in the book.
They get away with it all the time though. AOS came on last year after being subbed for being shit and started a melee. He should have been banned for the final but of course got off cause it's GAA rules
Quote from: blanketattack on June 26, 2022, 11:24:38 PM
After seeing Armagh's red card and behaviour today, I think we've been wrong about Tyrone - compared to other teams in Ulster, Tyrone are a sporting, clean, non-cynical team of good honest men.
With the Galway goalkeeper having such a horror show today, you'd have thought the Armagh penalty takers would have been told to at least keep their penalties on target.
Feck sake if only they'd thought of that.
In fairness to Pádraic Joyce he called it like it is.
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Choice of penalties by the GAA is 'disgraceful'
"It's a horrible way to lose it and that's not the fault of the Armagh players, it's the fault of the GAA and the condensed season,"
"My heart goes out to Armagh. Kieran McGeeney and the boys have put in a savage effort; they have been the form team and their supporters brought fantastic colour down here today. The roar when Rian O'Neill levelled the game in normal time was deafening.
"It beggars belief as to why we couldn't have had a replay next weekend. That might sound simple for me to say because we won the game, but that was my over-riding feeling at full-time.
"It such a hard way to lose a game after putting in such an effort over the last couple; Kieran has put so much work in with them and we've also put in the work over the last two or three years, training Tuesdays and Thursdays, and at weekends. To decide the outcome on a penalty shootout.... we're not soccer, we're GAA. To me it's disgraceful it had to happen."
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2022, 07:00:57 AM
In fairness to Pádraic Joyce he called it like it is.
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Choice of penalties by the GAA is 'disgraceful'
"It's a horrible way to lose it and that's not the fault of the Armagh players, it's the fault of the GAA and the condensed season,"
"My heart goes out to Armagh. Kieran McGeeney and the boys have put in a savage effort; they have been the form team and their supporters brought fantastic colour down here today. The roar when Rian O'Neill levelled the game in normal time was deafening.
"It beggars belief as to why we couldn't have had a replay next weekend. That might sound simple for me to say because we won the game, but that was my over-riding feeling at full-time.
"It such a hard way to lose a game after putting in such an effort over the last couple; Kieran has put so much work in with them and we've also put in the work over the last two or three years, training Tuesdays and Thursdays, and at weekends. To decide the outcome on a penalty shootout.... we're not soccer, we're GAA. To me it's disgraceful it had to happen."
Yeah I think most are in agreement about that.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 27, 2022, 12:21:08 AM
Genuine question.
Why are non playing panel members on or near the pitch? How many of these mills see lads hopping a fence to get stuck in. Are there any rules around this?
Treat them like the rest of the paying public - pitch invaders - abd it will stop immediately.
Was thinking do they all actually go into the changing room at half-time and before extra-time?
Changing room isn't that overly big so it must be jam packed.
You'd think manager would only want 20 players or so in there plus management and physios etc.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
Some one has to be disappointed. Dragging this out for another week for Amateur players is wrong. If you are good enough to win over 70+ or 90+ minutes then good. If not you can't have any complaints going out to penalties.
Media sources will say otherwise because they want to sell more papers, podcasts, TV advertising etc.
I'd disagree, it was unfair on amateur players and a lost opportunity for football as a whole. We probably can't allow two replays so a decide on the day rule could possibly be brought in for the replay, but if it's a draw after extra time on match one it should be a replay, amateur players deserve that at least.
Football hasn't had a great season overall a replay would have increased interest across the country, who wouldn't have watched Armagh Galway part 2. The fact a lot of inter county players have headed stateside which they're right to do shows the idea of the spilt season hasn't had the expected benefit for clubs.
I don't expect next season QF's to be decided on pens on day 1, I think they'll find room in the schedule for at least one replay after such a high profile, epic game went that way yesterday.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:14:45 AM
Row as usual could been sorted by 2 lads when Donaghy had seperate them, as usual both sets of players plus subs again piled in. No f**king discpline in players 1. Because managers don't deal with it, 2. Melees make it harder to identify culprits. 3.players don't take responsibility for their actions, 4.Gaa don't bother their ass to sort it out and take a rugby type discipline approach, limit the rule book on appeals, close all loop holes, any appealed decision doubled if unsuccessful. How many other sports do you seen this shambles, with the usual it's only handbags, nobody got hurt etc to define it. It makes the Gaa a laughing stock.
Good post.
GAA could nip a lot of this in the bud.
It'll be interesting to see how many suspensions get handed out. How a ref can stand back and send multiple Tyrone men off in a league game for contributing to a melee then another ref stands back and sends one each off yesterday just really does make a joke of the GAA rules. Unfortunately, if a large number of players aren't suspended it will be used as a precedent for appeals for the next 20 years.
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 12:43:12 AM
Sean Kelly did absolutely nothing to warrant a red card. f**king joke.
Ditto the Armagh number 13 did absolutely nothing either and got red.
TSG last night said the GAA said they were both sent off for contributing to a melee.
I know, strange.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:14:45 AM
Row as usual could been sorted by 2 lads when Donaghy had seperate them, as usual both sets of players plus subs again piled in. No f**king discpline in players 1. Because managers don't deal with it, 2. Melees make it harder to identify culprits. 3.players don't take responsibility for their actions, 4.Gaa don't bother their ass to sort it out and take a rugby type discipline approach, limit the rule book on appeals, close all loop holes, any appealed decision doubled if unsuccessful. How many other sports do you seen this shambles, with the usual it's only handbags, nobody got hurt etc to define it. It makes the Gaa a laughing stock.
It's not that big of a deal. Give Kelly a ban for the eye gouging and move on.
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 12:43:12 AM
Sean Kelly did absolutely nothing to warrant a red card. f**king joke.
Ditto the Armagh number 13 did absolutely nothing either and got red.
Yeah Kelly seemed to be trying to calm the thing down in fairness to him. Not sure what the ref saw. Hope Kelly gets off on appeal for the semi and the very best of luck to yourselves in it. Got chatting to a few Galway ones on the way in and out and all sound people.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 12:43:12 AM
Sean Kelly did absolutely nothing to warrant a red card. f**king joke.
Ditto the Armagh number 13 did absolutely nothing either and got red.
TSG last night said the GAA said they were both sent off for contributing to a melee.
I know, strange.
In which case 25 red cards should have been issued.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 07:56:40 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
Some one has to be disappointed. Dragging this out for another week for Amateur players is wrong. If you are good enough to win over 70+ or 90+ minutes then good. If not you can't have any complaints going out to penalties.
Media sources will say otherwise because they want to sell more papers, podcasts, TV advertising etc.
I'd disagree, it was unfair on amateur players and a lost opportunity for football as a whole. We probably can't allow two replays so a decide on the day rule could possibly be brought in for the replay, but if it's a draw after extra time on match one it should be a replay, amateur players deserve that at least.
Football hasn't had a great season overall a replay would have increased interest across the country, who wouldn't have watched Armagh Galway part 2. The fact a lot of inter county players have headed stateside which they're right to do shows the idea of the spilt season hasn't had the expected benefit for clubs.
I don't expect next season QF's to be decided on pens on day 1, I think they'll find room in the schedule for at least one replay after such a high profile, epic game went that way yesterday.
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
And another thing, if some are going to come up with other ideas, at least put some thought into them. Next score wins? 2 scores in a row? How on earth is this meant to be implemented fairly. What if there's a gale wind favouring one team? Penalties are tough, but are fair as you get your chances to take and save them. And it gets finished within a certain period of time.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 07:56:40 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
Some one has to be disappointed. Dragging this out for another week for Amateur players is wrong. If you are good enough to win over 70+ or 90+ minutes then good. If not you can't have any complaints going out to penalties.
Media sources will say otherwise because they want to sell more papers, podcasts, TV advertising etc.
I'd disagree, it was unfair on amateur players and a lost opportunity for football as a whole. We probably can't allow two replays so a decide on the day rule could possibly be brought in for the replay, but if it's a draw after extra time on match one it should be a replay, amateur players deserve that at least.
Football hasn't had a great season overall a replay would have increased interest across the country, who wouldn't have watched Armagh Galway part 2. The fact a lot of inter county players have headed stateside which they're right to do shows the idea of the spilt season hasn't had the expected benefit for clubs.
I don't expect next season QF's to be decided on pens on day 1, I think they'll find room in the schedule for at least one replay after such a high profile, epic game went that way yesterday.
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
A lot of talking points.
The red card was harsh enough
ONeill could have saw red for a slap to the face - got a yellow instead so not sure how it was a yellow
Armagh #2 barged into Comer on the way off the field - that started the row - but bar the eye gouging nothing else really happened and the two boys who got the reds can feel rightly aggrieved
A lengthy ban for the eye gouging - the pitchforks are out in force online for that fella.
Galway keeper will not enjoy the game v Derry if he plays - will be put under immense pressure after yesterday
If people had such an issue with penalties then they should have been brought up long before now
While entertaining and exciting neither of these teams would be able to live with Derry
If we bring back replays next year from PQFs on it will take about 9 weekends to play the knockout stages because
"You can't have amateur players playing 3 weekends in a row"
If we push AI Finals back to say 2nd and 3rd weekends in August you'll be back to rushed Club Championships in Counties getting to closing stages. Remember "fix the fixtures"?
Listening to Cavanagh on the SG ranting about a replay next weekend... did he hear about the Hurling Semi Finals or did he want the game in Thurles, Limerick or Cork?
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well
When you don't win a match, you do not deserve to stay in a competition.
The winners of a penalty shoot out are lucky. They only remain in the competition because we need even number of teams at each stage. The losers.... they get what they deserve.
People should rein in sob stories for teams that weren't good enough to win.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 08:44:21 AM
A lot of talking points.
The red card was harsh enough
ONeill could have saw red for a slap to the face - got a yellow instead so not sure how it was a yellow
Armagh #2 barged into Comer on the way off the field - that started the row - but bar the eye gouging nothing else really happened and the two boys who got the reds can feel rightly aggrieved
A lengthy ban for the eye gouging - the pitchforks are out in force online for that fella.
Galway keeper will not enjoy the game v Derry if he plays - will be put under immense pressure after yesterday
If people had such an issue with penalties then they should have been brought up long before now
While entertaining and exciting neither of these teams would be able to live with Derry
I know it was the league, not sure the importance of that game to Derry had they beaten Galway, but they won handy enough in Owenbeg, and certainly won't fear them. Bar that crazy 7 minutes Galway were winning handy enough..
Good to see a 'proper' set of semi finals winners of the provinces, Derry played the weakest team and did what they had to do, Dublin could have done better but they'll be happy enough. Kerry didnt play as well as they have done and Galway will be confident enough
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well
I guess at the minute replays are gone but it isn't a rule can never be reviewed again. We try things and review them which is the right thing to do.
There is a huge opinion out there this morning that deciding an All Ireland QF on penalties was wrong led by a football legend and Galway manager who won them yesterday.
It needs a review and in my opinion I fully expect they will be reviewed in the wider split season discussion. It is a football side of things people disagree with it on but from a business viewpoint the GAA lost at least 30,000 ticket sales depending on what venue would of been available, is this sustainable when the reason for the split season isn't having the planned effect ie inter county players immediately returning to their clubs earlier!
We're trying to find the perfect system and there will be some trial and error over the next few years with it, my guess is replays will be included throughout the All Ireland series going forward with space found to accommdate them.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well
I guess at the minute replays are gone but it isn't a rule can never be reviewed again. We try things and review them which is the right thing to do.
There is a huge opinion out there this morning that deciding an All Ireland QF on penalties was wrong led by a football legend and Galway manager who won them yesterday.
It needs a review and in my opinion I fully expect they will be reviewed in the wider split season discussion. It is a football side of things people disagree with it on but from a business viewpoint the GAA lost at least 30,000 ticket sales depending on what venue would of been available, is this sustainable when the reason for the split season isn't having the planned effect ie inter county players immediately returning to their clubs earlier!
We're trying to find the perfect system and there will be some trial and error over the next few years with it, my guess is replays will be included throughout the All Ireland series going forward with space found to accommdate them.
Impossible, penalties are a necessary evil, the days or replays are gone, for better and worse, times change, needs must
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
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Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well
I guess at the minute replays are gone but it isn't a rule can never be reviewed again. We try things and review them which is the right thing to do.
There is a huge opinion out there this morning that deciding an All Ireland QF on penalties was wrong led by a football legend and Galway manager who won them yesterday.
It needs a review and in my opinion I fully expect they will be reviewed in the wider split season discussion. It is a football side of things people disagree with it on but from a business viewpoint the GAA lost at least 30,000 ticket sales depending on what venue would of been available, is this sustainable when the reason for the split season isn't having the planned effect ie inter county players immediately returning to their clubs earlier!
We're trying to find the perfect system and there will be some trial and error over the next few years with it, my guess is replays will be included throughout the All Ireland series going forward with space found to accommdate them.
We already tried frees from outside the D and other things. We need a winner, penalties are quick, and we got one. Can't see what's to review here, there's now no space in the calendar. All the other options people have offered or on TSG are far worse than the penalties. It's harsh like I say, but the best option overall when we have to finish on the day.
Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2022, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run
I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.
We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).
The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.
Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.
Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well
I guess at the minute replays are gone but it isn't a rule can never be reviewed again. We try things and review them which is the right thing to do.
There is a huge opinion out there this morning that deciding an All Ireland QF on penalties was wrong led by a football legend and Galway manager who won them yesterday.
It needs a review and in my opinion I fully expect they will be reviewed in the wider split season discussion. It is a football side of things people disagree with it on but from a business viewpoint the GAA lost at least 30,000 ticket sales depending on what venue would of been available, is this sustainable when the reason for the split season isn't having the planned effect ie inter county players immediately returning to their clubs earlier!
We're trying to find the perfect system and there will be some trial and error over the next few years with it, my guess is replays will be included throughout the All Ireland series going forward with space found to accommdate them.
Impossible, penalties are a necessary evil, the days or replays are gone, for better and worse, times change, needs must
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning with some sponsors/media on the phone.
There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
That we borrowed penalties from soccer is not an issue. It's a coin toss with an element of skill. Like poker.
But based on yesterday we also seem to have borrowed soccer's bizarre attitude to the closing stages of extra time, when both sides seemed to concur that it's better to take your chance on penalties than try to win the game on the field.
Why do soccer managers follow this mantra? Seeing out games they could win.
Hence I really think GAA folk need to get ahead with the concept that if you don't win the game, you don't deserve to go through. If this approach is loved by players in the closing stages of tight games, it would make for a more thrilling spectacle.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
We're living through a take your beatings crisis in the GAA where priority is whining like f**k about everything except the fact your team was second best and accepting defeat like a he/she/they/them
Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Indeed, we've had penalties in GAA for ages now, so a penalty shootout is not a far reach. And not just soccer. Penalty shootouts happen in other sport too, like ice hockey. And I think it's the best option. Each team has a chance to either take or save each one. Can't do that with frees or 45s. Yesterday both takers and keepers had the chance to effect the results of the game, and Galway came out winners. Armagh had their chances
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 27, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.
Well I must have missed it when penalties have been used in GAA for ages now for fouls in the box. And not a lottery, both the taker and keeper can affect the outcome of the kick. Nowhere near a lottery at all. Galway supposedly practiced them, at the end of challenge matches. They trained for it, and won it.
How does next score win work in a gale force win? That now is far more of a lottery than penalties... You can't call it that, and then give that suggestion.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Think i'd prefer penalties taken from the hands if we have to have penalty shootouts. People saying that other sports have penalties, but those penalties represent skills and actions that are practiced and performed in all moments of training/games, gaelic football does not have this. Only a few players on each team practice hitting stationary ballls from the ground into the net or over the bar, and these skills are often practiced outside of actually training time. What we need is something that all players partake in, at all times, a skill innate to the game
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Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:31:57 AM
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Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:34:57 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
No we wouldn't expect that or shouldn't but that is why pushing the All Ireland Finals into August would allow the space for at least one replay if required. We aren't going to agree which is ok, lets see what happens when the split season is fully reviewed which is planned.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 27, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.
Well I must have missed it when penalties have been used in GAA for ages now for fouls in the box. And not a lottery, both the taker and keeper can affect the outcome of the kick. Nowhere near a lottery at all. Galway supposedly practiced them, at the end of challenge matches. They trained for it, and won it.
How does next score win work in a gale force win? That now is far more of a lottery than penalties... You can't call it that, and then give that suggestion.
It's a lottery as it's not a skill of the game. I'd much prefer the game won using next score. The wind could be a factor (but won't be a lot of times for big games in the summer) but that's part of every match (sometimes it only picks up for a half giving a team advantage etc).
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Quote from: smort on June 27, 2022, 09:41:10 AM
Think i'd prefer penalties taken from the hands if we have to have penalty shootouts. People saying that other sports have penalties, but those penalties represent skills and actions that are practiced and performed in all moments of training/games, gaelic football does not have this. Only a few players on each team practice hitting stationary ballls from the ground into the net or over the bar, and these skills are often practiced outside of actually training time. What we need is something that all players partake in, at all times, a skill innate to the game
What fresh hell is this 😭
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 26, 2022, 07:02:39 PM
The mask slipped again. Same old Armagh. They could start a fight over the drop of a hat. I wonder if it's that same old bitterness "ye forgot about us" begrudgery that a lot of republican nordies seem to harbour? Whatever the reason, I'm glad they have been well and truly exposed to the neutral.
Nice wee bit of trolling there. Galway man on TSG said it was started by Galway, but lets see the full video before jumping to conclusions.
If a game finishes in a draw, extra time. If extra time finishes in a draw, replay. If the second game finishes in a draw after extra time, then penos to decide victor. Golden score or up to 3 points is not an option due to wind factor.
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
The most vocal opponents to the pens post game was actually Pádraic Joyce and Sean Cavanagh. This goes beyond 'sour grapes' which I don't think the discussion is about. I think most football people accept it's a problem that needs looking at. I'd much rather listen to legends of the game to be honest who understand the effort required to compete at inter county level.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
If the eye gouge wasn't intentional then what was he trying to do? I don't understand how it couldn't have been intentional tbh.
It looked pretty bad on TV, I can't see any mitigation, but heat of the moment and will surely be severely dealt with and rightly so but some of the stuff on twitter is way beyond the pale.
It was always going to happen.
Everybody knew this rule for a while, was there any mass objection at the annual convention, more a attitude it never happen to us. Reality is Galway were better in most positions yesterday. Armagh had got well on top first 20/25mins but struggled badly in the 2nd Half, extra time was a even affair. Best game in years as some say, was littered with mistakes and 3 goalkeeper/defensive errors from Galway kept Armagh in the game. Only Campbell stood out for Armagh, as expected if you reduce O'Neill impact from play, Armagh do not have the threats elsewhere to heavily score.
PJ
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306973-joyce-choice-of-penalties-by-the-gaa-is-disgraceful/
"Overall I was impressed with the boys; they showed great character, and finally Galway have won a big match in Croke Park."
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 08:44:21 AM
A lot of talking points.
The red card was harsh enough
ONeill could have saw red for a slap to the face - got a yellow instead so not sure how it was a yellow
Armagh #2 barged into Comer on the way off the field - that started the row - but bar the eye gouging nothing else really happened and the two boys who got the reds can feel rightly aggrieved
A lengthy ban for the eye gouging - the pitchforks are out in force online for that fella.
Galway keeper will not enjoy the game v Derry if he plays - will be put under immense pressure after yesterday
If people had such an issue with penalties then they should have been brought up long before now
While entertaining and exciting neither of these teams would be able to live with Derry
Not so sure about that. I'd expect Galway to give Derry plenty of craic.
Not much chat of the time wasting in the second half from Galway when they went in front.
The amount of stoppages was scandalous and much of it play acting from their players.
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:34:57 AM
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Quote from: Dreadnought on June 27, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
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Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.
Well I must have missed it when penalties have been used in GAA for ages now for fouls in the box. And not a lottery, both the taker and keeper can affect the outcome of the kick. Nowhere near a lottery at all. Galway supposedly practiced them, at the end of challenge matches. They trained for it, and won it.
How does next score win work in a gale force win? That now is far more of a lottery than penalties... You can't call it that, and then give that suggestion.
It's a lottery as it's not a skill of the game. I'd much prefer the game won using next score. The wind could be a factor (but won't be a lot of times for big games in the summer) but that's part of every match (sometimes it only picks up for a half giving a team advantage etc).
How so? It is a skill of the game. If we're at a point where 5 inter County players selected can't take a penalty then we're in a bad place. Most teams have a fair few players who take placed balls, even at club level. Getting 5 to take them is not a huge deal for players at this level. It's far less a lottery than your other suggestion
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:33:29 AM
I thought the red card was wrong and only a yellow originally but the replays showed different. Armagh should lost Morgan as well.
The red was probably correct but a yellow would also have been ok, just timed it wrong and it was a clash of heads that caused the damage, but as an Armagh man I can't complain. On Morgan though after he was deservedly yellow carded he was targeted by Galway for the second yellow and I think that's what saved him. Its an aspect of the game that I don't like trying to get players sent off.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
So if Galway were the better team, why take penalties at all then? Why not just award them the semi final place based on that?
Regardless of who was better on the day, the number of points on the scoreboard is what matters. The better team doesn't always win.
I'm sure most Armagh fans would admit Galway were better but what does that matter ? None of them would care about how good or bad their teams performance was yesterday as long as they were in the AI semi final
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 10:05:13 AM
Everybody knew this rule for a while, was there any mass objection at the annual convention, more a attitude it never happen to us. Reality is Galway were better in most positions yesterday. Armagh had got well on top first 20/25mins but struggled badly in the 2nd Half, extra time was a even affair. Best game in years as some say, was littered with mistakes and 3 goalkeeper/defensive errors from Galway kept Armagh in the game. Only Campbell stood out for Armagh, as expected if you reduce O'Neill impact from play, Armagh do not have the threats elsewhere to heavily score.
Galway probably did shade it but they weren't way out in front and ultimately didn't beat Armagh in open play. I actually thought Armagh shaded extra time. Armagh will get over it and take great heart from not playing as well as they can but not losing the match over 90 minutes. I do expect Galway to reach the final which should give Armagh even more hope how close they are.
As for O'Neill - what a free, might win him an All Star and Rafferty might not be far from one either.
Morgan got nothing at the time for hitting Walsh on the blindside.
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Not much chat of the time wasting in the second half from Galway when they went in front.
The amount of stoppages was scandalous and much of it play acting from their players.
The timewasting from Galway came back to bite at the end of normal time. That extra 8 minutes gave Armagh and the supporters a massive lift. Galway probably gambled the ref would just give the standard 3 or 4.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:31:00 AM
And what about the nxt time their another Armagh melee, will the subs ever learn to stay out of it, if the managers attitude is, someone pushes you, push them back. He still on the playground in primary school or sthing?
Nothing wrong with that attitude and I'd say you' not find too many successful footballers or people in general life who'd disagree with McGeeney.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
Morgan got nothing at the time for hitting Walsh on the blindside.
Didn't see that. Walsh could have had a black when he took Morgan out off the ball after Morgan was on a yellow.
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 08:25:26 AM
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Understandably one of the Galway lads threw a punch at the gouger so might be in bother if the video is looked at closely. The GAA need to look at how they manage games, yesterday they could have been in dressing rooms at opposite sides of the pitch which would have avoided this type of thing.
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And what about the nxt time their another Armagh melee, will the subs ever learn to stay out of it, if the managers attitude is, someone pushes you, push them back. He still on the playground in primary school or sthing?
Ive seen enough melees in Derry club football, is it different when you boys do it? Comer started it, Armagh fell for it. If/when Kelly gets his ban there won't be too many in Armagh defending him.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 10:05:13 AM
Everybody knew this rule for a while, was there any mass objection at the annual convention, more a attitude it never happen to us. Reality is Galway were better in most positions yesterday. Armagh had got well on top first 20/25mins but struggled badly in the 2nd Half, extra time was a even affair. Best game in years as some say, was littered with mistakes and 3 goalkeeper/defensive errors from Galway kept Armagh in the game. Only Campbell stood out for Armagh, as expected if you reduce O'Neill impact from play, Armagh do not have the threats elsewhere to heavily score.
Galway probably did shade it but they weren't way out in front and ultimately didn't beat Armagh in open play. I actually thought Armagh shaded extra time. Armagh will get over it and take great heart from not playing as well as they can but not losing the match over 90 minutes. I do expect Galway to reach the final which should give Armagh even more hope how close they are.
As for O'Neill - what a free, might win him an All Star and Rafferty might not be far from one either.
A team that won only two qualifiers won't get any All Stars. Galway won't win the All Ireland as their defense isn't good enough. A game they were in control of with a 5 minutes to go and they conceded junior b golas to give Armagh a draw. Derry will beat Galway. Credit to both teams for a very enjoyable game, a mix of everything in it. Outside of Kellys pathetic and trampish behaviour there was only abit of pushing shoving and wrestling. FFs it added to the occassion.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
The most vocal opponents to the pens post game was actually Pádraic Joyce and Sean Cavanagh. This goes beyond 'sour grapes' which I don't think the discussion is about. I think most football people accept it's a problem that needs looking at. I'd much rather listen to legends of the game to be honest who understand the effort required to compete at inter county level.
It is sour grapes.
As time passes, this will all move on. Of course Joyce would say that - every winning manager says that. It's the norm.
I don't like penalties either but it's the way it is.
I never hear a team in the run up to a match complaining about penalties being on the cards.
Galway probably practisied penalty kicks during the week. Did Armagh I wonder?
Armagh were well beat, got lucky with a few high balls but Galway were the better team.
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The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Understandably one of the Galway lads threw a punch at the gouger so might be in bother if the video is looked at closely. The GAA need to look at how they manage games, yesterday they could have been in dressing rooms at opposite sides of the pitch which would have avoided this type of thing.
I really hope theres no further action taken apart from TK who should get a ban. What did all those Dublin and Kerry players get for eye gouging those times? Something similar to that. Hope the lad who threw a punch at him doesn't get cited and that Kelly (Galway) gets back for the semi.
On the actual game, Galway shaded it one the 70 minutes, fairly even in ET imo. Penalties not the way to end it again imo. Armagh had chances to win it, two goal chances spurned prior to Galway revival in the first half and Rowland at the end took on a difficult shot with space in front of him. That said had it gone over he'd a hero.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
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If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
It was the first thought that entered my head. Shit, can Ethan dive? He couldn't have done much about the penalties though. They were well taken. The Galway keeper didn't have to make a save on the 2 we missed.
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
The most vocal opponents to the pens post game was actually Pádraic Joyce and Sean Cavanagh. This goes beyond 'sour grapes' which I don't think the discussion is about. I think most football people accept it's a problem that needs looking at. I'd much rather listen to legends of the game to be honest who understand the effort required to compete at inter county level.
It is sour grapes.
As time passes, this will all move on. Of course Joyce would say that - every winning manager says that. It's the norm.
I don't like penalties either but it's the way it is.
I never hear a team in the run up to a match complaining about penalties being on the cards.
Galway probably practisied penalty kicks during the week. Did Armagh I wonder?
Armagh were well beat, got lucky with a few high balls but Galway were the better team.
Good luck to Galway, they're a serious team and set up who'll get very close to the All Ireland title which will show how good this Armagh team and set up are.
I've huge respect for Joyce for what he has achieved in the game and how he goes about setting his teams up, I'd tend to listen to what he says as he is a football man first and foremost and cares about the game.
As for a team being 'well beat' after drawing 90 minutes of football....are you ok?
I think Armagh's strength was the high ball, they might regret not using it enough but hard to criticise either team after such an epic that neither team lost in 90 minutes of normal play.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus he's a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
Number one Comer started that row which was absolute handbags bar the eye gouge.
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Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
As much as I dislike them being an opposing county the above is a complete load of shite.
How do you drill it into a team to start rows?
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus he's a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But he's not an actual goalkeeper. He is there for his size and kicking ability. He is too big to get down quickly for spot kicks. The
safe decision was to stick with Rafferty but he has only been a goalkeeper for 6 months. I think Hughes who has trained as an actual goalkeeper for years would have been a much better choice. No guarantee he would have saved any but he would have given us a better chance.
Lot of hype about Armagh heading into weekend, tyrone's Niall Morgan suggesting they could win all Ireland!! Once again , they fell when expectation rose. To there credit they never give up but Galway really should have seen that game out comfortably.
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Lot of hype about Armagh heading into weekend, tyrone's Niall Morgan suggesting they could win all Ireland!! Once again , they fell when expectation rose. To there credit they never give up but Galway really should have seen that game out comfortably.
To be honest we definitely could have- just like 6 of the 8 teams in the quarters. On balance Galway probably deserved to win it overall. Best of luck to them in the semi final. We're back at the top table and big days out. More to come from this team.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus he's a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But he's not an actual goalkeeper. He is there for his size and kicking ability. He is too big to get down quickly for spot kicks. The safe decision was to stick with Rafferty but he has only been a goalkeeper for 6 months. I think Hughes who has trained as an actual goalkeeper for years would have been a much better choice. No guarantee he would have saved any but he would have given us a better chance.
As a player you would know that if you hit the target you have a great chance of scoring if the person in nets isnt a conventional goalkeeper.
This increases your chances of scoring rather than having to place it in a particular spot which the second Armagh player that missed had to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_LEiPRBh8
#27 for Armagh, acted the maggot big time.
The Galway sub/ panel member that swung after the gouging incident at Tiernan Kelly should see bit of a suspension also. Would be a handy way for all concerned to see these boys suspended, the Nugent & Seán Kelly reds rescinded and moving on allowing Galway a full hand v Derry. Penalising the extended panel and non playing individuals involved is fair in my opinion.
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The Galway sub/ panel member that swung after the gouging incident at Tiernan Kelly should see bit of a suspension also. Would be a handy way for all concerned to see these boys suspended, the Nugent & Seán Kelly reds rescinded and moving on allowing Galway a full hand v Derry. Penalising the extended panel and non playing individuals involved is fair in my opinion.
The sub who swung for Kelly deserves a medal!
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
The most vocal opponents to the pens post game was actually Pádraic Joyce and Sean Cavanagh. This goes beyond 'sour grapes' which I don't think the discussion is about. I think most football people accept it's a problem that needs looking at. I'd much rather listen to legends of the game to be honest who understand the effort required to compete at inter county level.
It is sour grapes.
As time passes, this will all move on. Of course Joyce would say that - every winning manager says that. It's the norm.
I don't like penalties either but it's the way it is.
I never hear a team in the run up to a match complaining about penalties being on the cards.
Galway probably practisied penalty kicks during the week. Did Armagh I wonder?
Armagh were well beat, got lucky with a few high balls but Galway were the better team.
Good luck to Galway, they're a serious team and set up who'll get very close to the All Ireland title which will show how good this Armagh team and set up are.
I've huge respect for Joyce for what he has achieved in the game and how he goes about setting his teams up, I'd tend to listen to what he says as he is a football man first and foremost and cares about the game.
As for a team being 'well beat' after drawing 90 minutes of football....are you ok?
I think Armagh's strength was the high ball, they might regret not using it enough but hard to criticise either team after such an epic that neither team lost in 90 minutes of normal play.
Take the orange glasses off.
Watch the game again. Armagh got lucky with the goals - it's a 1 in a 100 chance that, especially in gaelic football, that a team scores a couple of goals at the death. They were lucky. Bad defending by Galway or whatever but a finish like that it seldom happens.
Have a look on her near the end of the game. Armagh people saying Mc Geeney must go, same old Armagh etc. etc.
Galway were, by far the better team in the 2nd half. They controlled it and nearly threw it away.
Btw, I think Mc Geeney and his management has done an excellent job. A great Div. 1 campaign and a decent championship run. Lads will be willing to get at it again. Get a good S&C plan going again and they'll be ready for action next January.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 10:58:17 AM
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management.
Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott.
As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.
Good post Yellowcard.
Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus he's a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But he's not an actual goalkeeper. He is there for his size and kicking ability. He is too big to get down quickly for spot kicks. The safe decision was to stick with Rafferty but he has only been a goalkeeper for 6 months. I think Hughes who has trained as an actual goalkeeper for years would have been a much better choice. No guarantee he would have saved any but he would have given us a better chance.
As a player you would know that if you hit the target you have a great chance of scoring if the person in nets isnt a conventional goalkeeper.
This increases your chances of scoring rather than having to place it in a particular spot which the second Armagh player that missed had to do
Exactly right. If you're a Galway player you just have to focus purely on hitting the target and it puts less pressure on the kicker to force it into a corner.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
As much as I dislike them being an opposing county the above is a complete load of shite.
How do you drill it into a team to start rows?
Its a psychological thing - the way they are coached. For example do you see other counties get into this type scenario this often. Take the Dubs or Kerry they have players who are targeted continually but they must drum it into there team not to get involved because they rarely have scenarios even close to this.
Armagh had a good season but they have a reputation which has now defined them. We should be talking about how Rian O'Neill is an awesome footballer but all we are talking about is Armaghs usual dirty tricks!
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
Morgan got nothing at the time for hitting Walsh on the blindside.
Didn't see that. Walsh could have had a black when he took Morgan out off the ball after Morgan was on a yellow.
The GAA seriously need to look At Melees. They are often "handbags" but seriously bad PR. The current sanctions aren't working and actually penalise normal human behaviour. If u see a friend in a headlock , you're going to want to protect him. It 10 of your opponents rush into melee you're not going to wait on the sidelines to see what happens.
Kelly and Nugent appeared to be peacemakers yet they're red carded. Previous sanctions have been rescinded as presumably legally unsound.
A few things to consider :
1.Subs outside the wire . Only minimal specific personnel inside the wire.
2.Those who pull people out are not treated the same as those who aggressively interject.
3.Heavy financial sanctions to teams
Finish on the day must stay. Replays mess up the calendar, are a further strain in amateur players, and financial strain on the punters . Perhaps 10 seconds to score from the edge of the D , might be a better option than penalties.
Mcgeeney is right about trial by media/social media. RTE's view has dictated rule changes in the past , and they have their own agenda. Eg They want replays as it's clearly good for RTE viewing figures and it's another payday for the pundits . Seán cavanagh's crocodile tears about his neighbours and Tyrone's biggest rivals losing out on penalties was laughable . The irony of the likes of Whelan and Cavanagh wringing their hands in disgust at foul play is even more hilarious .
Great game. Deal with melees going forward but keep the "win on the day".
Great championship so far and it will be finished in July so that 95% of players can enjoy club action for the rest of the year . Well done GAA
Will 5% not enjoy Club action?
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
I didn't say it was the fault of the GAA but (and here come the brickbats from the self righteous ones among us here) it's fairly easy for the authorities to step in and cut any of this shite out in future by simply managing how the teams run off at half time. They manage everything else down to the nth degree so why not this? The guys on the Sunday game panels yesterday were saying the same.
Quote from: 6th sam on June 27, 2022, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
Morgan got nothing at the time for hitting Walsh on the blindside.
Didn't see that. Walsh could have had a black when he took Morgan out off the ball after Morgan was on a yellow.
The GAA seriously need to look At Melees. They are often "handbags" but seriously bad PR. The current sanctions aren't working and actually penalise normal human behaviour. If u see a friend in a headlock , you're going to want to protect him. It 10 of your opponents rush into melee you're not going to wait on the sidelines to see what happens.
Kelly and Nugent appeared to be peacemakers yet they're red carded. Previous sanctions have been rescinded as presumably legally unsound.
A few things to consider :
1.Subs outside the wire . Only minimal specific personnel inside the wire.
2.Those who pull people out are not treated the same as those who aggressively interject.
3.Heavy financial sanctions to teams
Finish on the day must stay. Replays mess up the calendar, are a further strain in amateur players, and financial strain on the punters . Perhaps 10 seconds to score from the edge of the D , might be a better option than penalties.
Mcgeeney is right about trial by media/social media. RTE's view has dictated rule changes in the past , and they have their own agenda. Eg They want replays as it's clearly good for RTE viewing figures and it's another payday for the pundits . Seán cavanagh's crocodile tears about his neighbours and Tyrone's biggest rivals losing out on penalties was laughable . The irony of the likes of Whelan and Cavanagh wringing their hands in disgust at foul play is even more hilarious .
Great game. Deal with melees going forward but keep the "win on the day".
Great championship so far and it will be finished in July so that 95% of players can enjoy club action for the rest of the year . Well done GAA
I agree with a lot of what you say except that it hasn't been a great championship. Armagh have probably saved it, there were very few decent other matches that I can think of.
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
As much as I dislike them being an opposing county the above is a complete load of shite.
How do you drill it into a team to start rows?
Its a psychological thing - the way they are coached. For example do you see other counties get into this type scenario this often. Take the Dubs or Kerry they have players who are targeted continually but they must drum it into there team not to get involved because they rarely have scenarios even close to this.
Armagh had a good season but they have a reputation which has now defined them. We should be talking about how Rian O'Neill is an awesome footballer but all we are talking about is Armaghs usual dirty tricks!
Takes 2 to tango. Dublin and Kerry were at something very similar a few months ago so you must have a short memory.
Best player in Ireland imo. Clifford and Con maybe better forwards but Rian could play anywhere on the pitch and be top class at it.
Also there aren't too many players in the country who'd have had the balls to take that shot on and nail it like that after 70 minutes.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
Did you actually watch the match? Rian O'Neill is a great player but probably didn't have his best match yesterday and Armagh have plenty of other good players so that is ridiculous to say that he is the only player we have. As for shiteing the togs, catch a grip one team has to lose and it's not like we threw away a big lead the game ebbed and flowed and Galway won on spot kicks. Its fine margins when it gets to that stage.
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 11:06:39 AM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.
Penalties:
Losers hate them obviously.
Winners are happy but will say it's a terrible way to lose blah, blah, blah.
Neutrals think it's the best way to finish on the day.
Most neutrals seem to be saying it's no way to lose any match.
Yeah, but it's the way these games finish.
You'd think, from Armagh's point of view, that the referee just decided on penalties himself at the end of extra-time.
Sour grapes - Armagh lost. Raw now but that's life. It happened in the Munster game earlier this year and no one, outside Clare and Limerick, gave a fiddlers. It happens in club games. Get over it ffs.
The main issue is this;
In the cold light of day, Galway were the better team. They almost threw it away. Galway were 6 or 7 pts up in the 70+ mins. Armagh got lucky with the goals. Papered over that they were badly outplayed.
That's the reality.
The most vocal opponents to the pens post game was actually Pádraic Joyce and Sean Cavanagh. This goes beyond 'sour grapes' which I don't think the discussion is about. I think most football people accept it's a problem that needs looking at. I'd much rather listen to legends of the game to be honest who understand the effort required to compete at inter county level.
It is sour grapes.
As time passes, this will all move on. Of course Joyce would say that - every winning manager says that. It's the norm.
I don't like penalties either but it's the way it is.
I never hear a team in the run up to a match complaining about penalties being on the cards.
Galway probably practisied penalty kicks during the week. Did Armagh I wonder?
Armagh were well beat, got lucky with a few high balls but Galway were the better team.
Good luck to Galway, they're a serious team and set up who'll get very close to the All Ireland title which will show how good this Armagh team and set up are.
I've huge respect for Joyce for what he has achieved in the game and how he goes about setting his teams up, I'd tend to listen to what he says as he is a football man first and foremost and cares about the game.
As for a team being 'well beat' after drawing 90 minutes of football....are you ok?
I think Armagh's strength was the high ball, they might regret not using it enough but hard to criticise either team after such an epic that neither team lost in 90 minutes of normal play.
Take the orange glasses off.
Watch the game again. Armagh got lucky with the goals - it's a 1 in a 100 chance that, especially in gaelic football, that a team scores a couple of goals at the death. They were lucky. Bad defending by Galway or whatever but a finish like that it seldom happens.
Have a look on her near the end of the game. Armagh people saying Mc Geeney must go, same old Armagh etc. etc.
Galway were, by far the better team in the 2nd half. They controlled it and nearly threw it away.
Btw, I think Mc Geeney and his management has done an excellent job. A great Div. 1 campaign and a decent championship run. Lads will be willing to get at it again. Get a good S&C plan going again and they'll be ready for action next January.
Armagh started very well and went four up, I thought they controlled the game at that stage but a few handling errors cost them. At that stage of the game a dodgy free was given to Galway with what looked like he went down easily but small margins. Galway from then became defensively very solid and attacked with patience.
Armagh always looked dangerous though and even at 6 down when you have the kicking ability of Rafferty and a forward line as good as Armagh's always have a chance. The long balls in caused chaos and resulted in three goals, you can be lucky once but not three times, they were all great goals.
Armagh were excellent in extra time and I think if they scored the point straight after the third goal, that was three in it with Croke Park rocking, I don't think Galway recover from that. Also for their extra time goal there was a kick out that went straight to a Galway lad with Armagh then all over the place.
Galway probably shaded it overall but Armagh were well in it with the usual small margins - great game of football between two very good teams. There'll be more in both over the next few years.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
As much as I dislike them being an opposing county the above is a complete load of shite.
How do you drill it into a team to start rows?
Its a psychological thing - the way they are coached. For example do you see other counties get into this type scenario this often. Take the Dubs or Kerry they have players who are targeted continually but they must drum it into there team not to get involved because they rarely have scenarios even close to this.
Armagh had a good season but they have a reputation which has now defined them. We should be talking about how Rian O'Neill is an awesome footballer but all we are talking about is Armaghs usual dirty tricks!
Takes 2 to tango. Dublin and Kerry were at something very similar a few months ago so you must have a short memory. [/b]
Best player in Ireland imo. Clifford and Con maybe better forwards but Rian could play anywhere on the pitch and be top class at it.
Also there aren't too many players in the country who'd have had the balls to take that shot on and nail it like that after 70 minutes.
Similar? Yes, that it happened on a football pitch. This keeps getting totted out by Armagh folk. The Dublin Kerry incident was the very definition of footballing handbags. Involved only the onfield players, wasn't a punch thrown, an eye gouged and was over in seconds.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
Your analysis doesn't really add up. Rian is a special talent but if you've seen much of Armagh over the past few months you'll know we have a range of scorers in most matches. Yesterday was the same. He didn't exactly kick 1.20 for us.
Was listening to RTE radio on the way home from a game, so didn't see game till later, but they reported at the time the Coldrick went and spoke to both county sec's explained what he was going to do and they went to the changing rooms to speak to players..
So when they came out the players already knew they were getting sent off.. strange that it was the two captains as if it were an agreement of sorts .. very off considering the amount that was involved
I don't think Kelly knew. You could tell by the look on his face he was surprised / shocked.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
McGeeney hit hard but when was he ever sent off or involved in a melee?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
I don't think anybody is condoning the gouging but don't start over dramatising it either saying he could have lost his sight. Kelly will get rightly banned together with the Galway lad that swung the punch back at him but I was talking about everything else that went on. However its a bit rich for Tyrone fans to be jumping in looking for players to get lynched.
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Highly disappointing to see us involved in another fracas. It has to stop. I can't fathom that our management would send the players out to do that - but it's something that has to be forcibly drilled in from here on. No more of it. If the GAA don't have anything in place to stop 2 teams who are pumped up after a hard fought finish running down the tunnel together then we have to get our own house in order and instruct our players to wait on the pitch.
It wasn't the GAA fault
Its hard to believe that its not drilled into Armagh to start rows considering the amount of incidents Armagh are involved in
Its rumoured they coach MMA
Ironically one of the only things barred in MMA is eye gouging!
As much as I dislike them being an opposing county the above is a complete load of shite.
How do you drill it into a team to start rows?
Its a psychological thing - the way they are coached. For example do you see other counties get into this type scenario this often. Take the Dubs or Kerry they have players who are targeted continually but they must drum it into there team not to get involved because they rarely have scenarios even close to this.
Armagh had a good season but they have a reputation which has now defined them. We should be talking about how Rian O'Neill is an awesome footballer but all we are talking about is Armaghs usual dirty tricks!
Takes 2 to tango. Dublin and Kerry were at something very similar a few months ago so you must have a short memory.
Best player in Ireland imo. Clifford and Con maybe better forwards but Rian could play anywhere on the pitch and be top class at it.
Also there aren't too many players in the country who'd have had the balls to take that shot on and nail it like that after 70 minutes.
I think I heard on TSG last night that Dean Rock hasn't missed a free in this years championship?
Would that be right?
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Don't be such a drama queen. Goes without saying no one is defending the gouging. Other than that? Just pushing and shoving even Sean Cavanagh said nothing wrong with it.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
It is a bit disappointing that there is a still an "all in" approach after events earlier in the season. The problem with everyone piling in is that things get magnified and there is always a risk of a Tiernan Kelly type incident in the heat of the moment.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
Quote from: fearsiuil on June 27, 2022, 11:00:47 AM
The Galway sub/ panel member that swung after the gouging incident at Tiernan Kelly should see bit of a suspension also. Would be a handy way for all concerned to see these boys suspended, the Nugent & Seán Kelly reds rescinded and moving on allowing Galway a full hand v Derry. Penalising the extended panel and non playing individuals involved is fair in my opinion.
I hope it landed, but sadly not hard enough evidently.
Armagh sub was way out of order with the gouge, Comer couldn't protect himself from it, cheap shot.
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
Your analysis doesn't really add up. Rian is a special talent but if you've seen much of Armagh over the past few months you'll know we have a range of scorers in most matches. Yesterday was the same. He didn't exactly kick 1.20 for us.
If you use that analysis then Derry would have nothing without Mcguigan (1-08). Armagh have plenty of good players and unfortunately with injuries the panel was a little bare yesterday when it mattered.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
What has this got to do with yesterday.
The Armagh #2 ran after Comer and barged into him on the way to the tunnel.
Thats how the melee started
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 27, 2022, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
Your analysis doesn't really add up. Rian is a special talent but if you've seen much of Armagh over the past few months you'll know we have a range of scorers in most matches. Yesterday was the same. He didn't exactly kick 1.20 for us.
If you use that analysis then Derry would have nothing without Mcguigan (1-08). Armagh have plenty of good players and unfortunately with injuries the panel was a little bare yesterday when it mattered.
Yeah TK due to long term issue was unfortunately scraping Comers eyes out ;) rather than shooting the lights out in Croker, ditto Oisin O'Neill.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Most of us have. It doesn't matter that Tak is actually a good guy who does a lot in the community etc. he done what he done and must face the consequences. He needs to be let do that tho and left to learn form his mistake. The witch hunt has to end
Honestly hard to fathom that some Armagh ones on here are more disappointed that their players are 'hoodwinked' into getting involved in scrapes and fracas. Unreal actually.
Your team has been knee deep in nonsense for the last 10 years on the field and there are a few repeat offenders that stevie wonder could spot before a game even starts yet you think that its the refs, the opposition and everyone else conspiring against you.
Quote from: Itchy on June 27, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
What scrapes though, there was hardly a blow struck in any of them. It is of no value for anybody to get involved in these incidents but bar yesterdays gouge its hardly lock up the children stuff either. Its just hand wringing from a few people with an agenda. I said as soon as the melee started that Armagh will probably get blamed and as sure as eggs are eggs it is getting pinned on McGeeney and McKeever. Why stop at thsoe two men though and what about Kieran Donaghy then? Does he get blamed too or does it not suit the narrative because he is a Kerry man?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
Quote from: Itchy on June 27, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
There seems to be something alright.
I mean that's 3 serious incidents like this in a short space of time - same type.
Obviously they are either coached in it or not learning from the previous incidents.
The key question is, which is it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Don't be such a drama queen. Goes without saying no one is defending the gouging. Other than that? Just pushing and shoving even Sean Cavanagh said nothing wrong with it.
Its a pox on our game. Cowardly, sordid phenomenon.
And its about time the GAA got serious about dealing with it.
But as usual most of those involved will get off scott free and it will keep happening.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 27, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.
What did Comer do?
but most of them wll never enter a boxing ring or mma cage
Quote from: Itchy on June 27, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
There is a culture of rule and law breaking in Armagh. No respect for authority or law and order. Bandit country.
I originally thought Comer started it but seems James Morgan was shunting him and that provoked him. Not sure how accurate that is?
The brawl really didn't help Armagh this time, the momentum was all with them, it felt like there was a long delay from normal time to extra time starting to deal with the brawl.
Credit to both teams though
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 27, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.
What did Comer do?
James Morgan started it. He was shoving Comer the whole way to the tunnel.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.
How did Comer start it? Did he organise a reck of men to come piling in whilst having a disagreement with Morgan?
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
Youve asked so ill answer (even though id thought the answer pretty obvious).
Teams/players will engage in nonsense and start into other players (usually the star men) because if you can get a psychological advantage at all by putting your opponent off his game so much that he might lash out or take his eye off the ball or his own game, then its worthwhile and can help your own team that extra 1%. We all know it goes on and our games, rules and officials facilitate it. Its usually the inferior footballer, the technically weaker player who has to rely on starting shite with his opponent becasue he's simply not good enough to go toe-to-toe with his direct opponent.
Cant believe this needs explaining
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
There is a culture of rule and law breaking in Armagh. No respect for authority or law and order. Bandit country.
Proudly. And only place in Ireland the brits couldn't walk through if you want to go down that road...
There is actually a case to be made for throwing Armagh out of next years Championship. Derrytresk got 5 years for similar behaviour. Albeit they are a Tyrone team and the GAA use the Tyrone rule book when it comes to disciplinary proceedings involving the county.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
I think I'd like to see separate threads for those that want to analyse the match and those that want to analyse the row.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:17:52 PM
The Armagh #2 ran after Comer and barged into him on the way to the tunnel.
Thats how the melee started
Two people jostling is not a melee.
Who next joined these two people? That is where the problem lies.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.
I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.
There is a culture of rule and law breaking in Armagh. No respect for authority or law and order. Bandit country.
Bit harsh that.
There's great people in Armagh.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin I'm nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know it's a different level but I've seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.
Bollix. Its a red all day. duty of care to person you tackle.
If you go high as a player turns then you risk punishment.
Add in the fact that he had eyes on the player the whole time and made no attempt to follow the ball or intercept, as well as raise the arm.
Too loose and reckless.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.
What did Comer do?
James Morgan started it. He was shoving Comer the whole way to the tunnel.
Watched it again - the Armagh No. 3 was over goading Comer also.
First thing for the semi-finals in one team each in the Hogan and Cusack Stand changing rooms.
Put the photo bench in mid-field for the photographers. :)
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Bollix. Its a red all day. duty of care to person you tackle.
If you go high as a player turns then you risk punishment.
Add in the fact that he had eyes on the player the whole time and made no attempt to follow the ball or intercept, as well as raise the arm.
Too loose and reckless.
Tell me you've never played football without telling me you've never played football.
Anyway, didn't matter in the grand scheme of things
Instead of playing the man in this instance, maybe youll tell me where im wrong.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin I'm nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know it's a different level but I've seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.
And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?
Quote from: full moon on June 27, 2022, 12:43:42 PM
The brawl really didn't help Armagh this time, the momentum was all with them, it felt like there was a long delay from normal time to extra time starting to deal with the brawl.
Credit to both teams though
Hugely understated fact that.
Armagh were on the crest of a wave, pulling back what looked like an unsurmountable Galway lead. Galway defence were at 6's and 7's.
If you were from Armagh you'd have wanted extra time to start right away, rather than the protracted delay which gave the Galway lads a chance to regain their focus.
Momentum is key, Armagh had it at the final whistle but went mad at a nothing coming together between Comer and the fullback, subs and extended panel need a boot up the hole.
As for McGeeney, I wouldn't expect anything less from him in defending his players in public but behind the scenes he needs to be more measured and decisive in their discipline.
Next year everyone and their dog will be onto them and they need to be squeaky clean.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin I'm nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know it's a different level but I've seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.
And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?
a full week off would be fine I wasn't seriously suggesting that a replay happens today.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
Loads of people thought that was only yellow.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
[/b] It should. Imo lads shouldn't be getting sent in the white heat of championship for mistimed challenges.
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
[/b] It should. Imo lads shouldn't be getting sent in the white heat of championship for mistimed challenges.
Lol.
Is this a joke?
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
[/b] It should. Imo lads shouldn't be getting sent in the white heat of championship for mistimed challenges.
They absolutely should
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So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
Loads of Armagh people thought that was only yellow.
Nonsense
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
Forgot to mention Comer. I was giving out about him and his antics to my brother during the game. Fair enough they probably weren't that bad but they annoyed me. However, once Galway scored the winner and their players were all celebrating - nothing wrong with that - Comer went and shook the hands of every Armagh player. Speaks volumes about him. Fair play.
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Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
So there you are now. Some thoughts.
It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.
The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.
If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If you're winding at least don't make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesn't deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.
I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.
Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.
Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.
Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.
Genuinely hope he does get off-very unfair on him. Will Nugent and Greg's suspension carry to next year? They both deserve to get off too.
Don't think you'll find too many people complaining if that lad gets off too.
Why Mc Cabe?
His was a deserved red.
A yellow at best imo. Split second off being a perfect tackle- if you're getting red carded for that then may as well make it non contact
You must be the only person who thinks it's a yellow.
Dangerously high.
It doesn't matter if it's a second off or the intention was to go shoulder to shoulder.
[/b] It should. Imo lads shouldn't be getting sent in the white heat of championship for mistimed challenges.
When it endangers their opponent they should.
A dangerous, reckless challenge should always be a red card, regardless of whether it was intended or not.
If you're going to shoulder charge, the responsibility is on you to get it right. If you can't do it safely within the rules, you can have no complaints about being punished. Two men running parallel for a loose ball is fair game. Coming in from the side to horse a man out of it shoulder to shoulder is fair game. Launching yourself at a lad who is twisting and turning is asking for trouble for both yourself and him.
50 pages. It's a long time since Galway footballers got such attention.
My take on the game...
Thought it was a good game and def worth the entry fee, the Armagh fans were great and made plenty of noise contributing to the atmosphere. after the first 15 mins or so Armagh chased it the whole game and if we're all honest it was Galway's to throw away (which they almost done). The sending off from the seat inside the stadium felt harsh at the time but seeing it back last night can't argue too much with it. On reflection now the dust has settled Galway deserved their win and the very best of luck to them in the Semi Final. Armagh put that much into chasing the game and some of the subs used in Extra Time they had little in reserve and TBH I thought Galway would have put us to the sword in ET but that was not the case, both teams have to be applauded for their efforts and the contribution to a great day out.
Back to the drawing board again now for Armagh but I think we all knew this was a tough game that could have went either way and that certainly was the case...Onwards and upwards (hopefully). Good luck again Galway. As for the incident at the end of the normal time match...Don't know the lad but i'm sure he'll get a hefty suspension and being out long term with an injury it prob won't impact him too much but i'm guessing the trial by social media and the flak he'll take from this will far outweigh any GAA suspension he'll get. I know he's only a young lad and i'm not excusing what he done as it was disgraceful but i can only imagine he'll never do that again...(Here's hoping)
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin I'm nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know it's a different level but I've seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.
And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?
That's is an entirely different matter as it was for 2 different teams which is fair enough.
You however are arguing about players having to play 3 weekends in a row as if that is some big deal.
As Armagh18 just said to another poster 'tell me you never kicked a ball without telling me you never kicked a ball'.
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My take on the game...
Thought it was a good game and def worth the entry fee, the Armagh fans were great and made plenty of noise contributing to the atmosphere. after the first 15 mins or so Armagh chased it the whole game and if we're all honest it was Galway's to throw away (which they almost done). The sending off from the seat inside the stadium felt harsh at the time but seeing it back last night can't argue too much with it. On reflection now the dust has settled Galway deserved their win and the very best of luck to them in the Semi Final. Armagh put that much into chasing the game and some of the subs used in Extra Time they had little in reserve and TBH I thought Galway would have put us to the sword in ET but that was not the case, both teams have to be applauded for their efforts and the contribution to a great day out.
Back to the drawing board again now for Armagh but I think we all knew this was a tough game that could have went either way and that certainly was the case...Onwards and upwards (hopefully). Good luck again Galway. As for the incident at the end of the normal time match...Don't know the lad but i'm sure he'll get a hefty suspension and being out long term with an injury it prob won't impact him too much but i'm guessing the trial by social media and the flak he'll take from this will far outweigh any GAA suspension he'll get. I know he's only a young lad and i'm not excusing what he done as it was disgraceful but i can only imagine he'll never do that again...(Here's hoping)
A fair summation of the game.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 27, 2022, 01:21:35 PM
Forgot to mention Comer. I was giving out about him and his antics to my brother during the game. Fair enough they probably weren't that bad but they annoyed me. However, once Galway scored the winner and their players were all celebrating - nothing wrong with that - Comer went and shook the hands of every Armagh player. Speaks volumes about him. Fair play.
Noticed that myself and that's exactly the way it should be. As a competitor you do whatever it takes to win the match but when its over leave it on the pitch.
It's 100% a red card.
If I was McGeeney I'd kick that eye gouger off the panel for a year myself.
The rest was handbags and a load of nonsense as usual, it looks bad but all they need to do is have the players go in at separate times. Easy fix.
An amazing game that I can't believe Galway let slip in normal time, they were much the better side once they rode the Armagh wave in the first 20 minutes. Credit to Armagh's mental strength to come back but they needed cool heads then at full time, if they just got down the tunnel with no nonsense I think they'd have come out and blown Galway away.
Finnerty, Tierney and McDaid were sensational for Galway. Can't wait for that semi-final, it should be a cracker.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.
The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them
😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over €1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.
But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.
Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...
Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.
Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin I'm nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know it's a different level but I've seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.
And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?
That's is an entirely different matter as it was for 2 different teams which is fair enough.
You however are arguing about players having to play 3 weekends in a row as if that is some big deal.
As Armagh18 just said to another poster 'tell me you never kicked a ball without telling me you never kicked a ball'.
It's not really. O'Connor played him in a pre season tournament rather than not risking him after he played Sigerson. No real need to go 3 weeks in a row of games the intensity of All Ireland QFs and then a SF. No need for it these days, and the calendar doesn't allow it now. I have played ball btw. A while ago to be fair, although still play club hurling.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, its not an insult, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence. I don't know you so can only comment on your posts and not you personally.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Just enjoy thier loss Brick. Still buzzing.
McGeeney let himself down badly in the interview after the game. Turning three question on the journalist and asking him what he'd do if he was pushed. McGeeney enjoys his hard man reputation too much to really stamp out this sort of thing among his panel. What's this, 9 years and not even a final appearance in Championship?
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Just enjoy thier loss Brick. Still buzzing.
Lol be a while before you lot get a run out at Croke park. Maybe one of your refs will you can all go and support him ;D
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.
You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.
I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
I've played championship 3 times in a week at one stage in the past. Unforgettable sequence of games and would have loved to have had the opportunity to do that every season. As would every other person involved when we chat about it.
Or maybe the adverse effect the traumatic experience of playing so many high intensity games has had on the oul mental health has distorted our reality
Any player would give their left nut to get playing 3 massive games in Croke Park 3 weeks in a row. Anybody that says different must be smoking ganga or otherwise off their f45860g rocker.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
What has this got to do with yesterday.
The Armagh #2 ran after Comer and barged into him on the way to the tunnel.
Thats how the melee started
No it's not, Comer went for James Morgan after something between him and Walsh, that's how it started. Forker then got involved and straight away both teams went into full handbag mode
End of the day managers attitude is alot to blame especially McGeeney Attitude. Dublin were the masters of goading to Pat Kilroy came onboard and cut it out over night. Armagh been involved in 3 pile on this year. Bad one few yrs ago against Cavan, and the worst one was a U-21 game with Tyrone a few yrs bck. It doesn't happen in soccer/Rugby cause they issues punishments for such. And the general attitude is there's nothing wrong with it. No wonder children now aday grow up with attitude of its someone else fault. And on the row, the initial instigator was Morgan not Comer, who shouldn't been on the field after blindsiding Walsh earlier.
15 minutes of highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPv66E0jMU
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
Youve asked so ill answer (even though id thought the answer pretty obvious).
Teams/players will engage in nonsense and start into other players (usually the star men) because if you can get a psychological advantage at all by putting your opponent off his game so much that he might lash out or take his eye off the ball or his own game, then its worthwhile and can help your own team that extra 1%. We all know it goes on and our games, rules and officials facilitate it. Its usually the inferior footballer, the technically weaker player who has to rely on starting shite with his opponent becasue he's simply not good enough to go toe-to-toe with his direct opponent.
Cant believe this needs explaining
I
can't believe you actually think a team playing in Croke park would pre-meditate something like this with the whole of the country watching. Given how Armagh have (stupidly) been involved in shite like this before earlier in the year, with absolutely zero impact on the outcome of those respective games (if anything added hassle and distractions) it's astounding that you think that any team, let alone an intercounty team in an AI QF, would use such behaviour as a vehicle to psychologically gain some sort of advantage when the game is in the melting pot. Only a colossal moron would think there is anything to be gained from starting a melee.
Come off it general_lee, are you actually serious here? Must be a WUM
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Just enjoy thier loss Brick. Still buzzing.
Lol be a while before you lot get a run out at Croke park. Maybe one of your refs will you can all go and support him ;D
You know you're at rock bottom whenever you get your kicks out of other teams losing.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 01:47:59 PM
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Quote from: Applesisapples on June 27, 2022, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.
You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.
I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
No hate, no anger read my take on yesterday, but suggesting that Armagh were wholly to blame and have been at it for years is just errant nonsense. If you are insulted that I believe that you are bullshitting there is nothing I can do for that, just my opinion of your musings and nothing personal.
Quote from: smort on June 27, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
Come off it general_lee, are you actually serious here? Must be a WUM
Nah you're right, Armagh are to blame for Comer (rightly or wrongly) going at James Morgan which was the spark that ignited the melee. They knew what they were at all along ::)
Armagh and Derry brought a lot to this year's championship. Hopefully the progress can be maintained next year.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 12:51:05 PM
There is actually a case to be made for throwing Armagh out of next years Championship. Derrytresk got 5 years for similar behaviour. Albeit they are a Tyrone team and the GAA use the Tyrone rule book when it comes to disciplinary proceedings involving the county.
Doesn't help matters when your supporters get stuck in as well!
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: smort on June 27, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
Come off it general_lee, are you actually serious here? Must be a WUM
Nah you're right, Armagh are to blame for Comer (rightly or wrongly) going at James Morgan which was the spark that ignited the melee. They knew what they were at all along ::)
Comer went for Morgan after Morgan had ran through the back of him. That is a fact
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 12:51:05 PM
There is actually a case to be made for throwing Armagh out of next years Championship. Derrytresk got 5 years for similar behaviour. Albeit they are a Tyrone team and the GAA use the Tyrone rule book when it comes to disciplinary proceedings involving the county.
There needs to be more punishment that's for sure as Armagh have got away with the previous 2 melees they've been involved in this year.
If they keep getting away with it they are going to keep doing it.
Absolutely loving this thread. Armagh people losing their minds. Great stuff altogether. Watching them get beat, on penalties, in the rain. Priceless. Weekend probably cost them a fortune as well. Superb.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
End of the day managers attitude is alot to blame especially McGeeney Attitude. Dublin were the masters of goading to Pat Kilroy came onboard and cut it out over night. Armagh been involved in 3 pile on this year. Bad one few yrs ago against Cavan, and the worst one was a U-21 game with Tyrone a few yrs bck. It doesn't happen in soccer/Rugby cause they issues punishments for such. And the general attitude is there's nothing wrong with it. No wonder children now aday grow up with attitude of its someone else fault. And on the row, the initial instigator was Morgan not Comer, who shouldn't been on the field after blindsiding Walsh earlier.
The "row" was mostly pushing and holding (with the obvious, much discussed, exception). This used to be known as Handbags. In non-professional rugby and soccer, these rows also happen.
As for your Helen Lovejoy "won't somebody please think of the children" line, that gave me a laugh.
Hopefully the CCCC don't loose the run of themselves due to wailing on twitter and Galway will be at full strength for the Semi-Final.
Still feeling drained after that, so can't imagine what the players must feel like today.
Such an incredible rollercoaster of emotions for Armagh supporters over those two or three hours. In fact, the last four weeks or so have been a rollercoaster, from the doom and gloom in advance of the Tyrone game through to the colour and noise and expectation on Sunday. Such a shame, a disgrace really, that things ended with a penalty shootout. It's unnatural, anti-climactic, perfunctory. It doesn't belong in the GAA - I hope the rule makers realise this before any other county is disenfranchised. Striking the ball from the ground is a fundamental skill in soccer, it is not a fundamental skill in Gaelic football. This is why penalty shootouts do not belong in the GAA.
The game in normal time was conventional enough. Armagh started well and then faded. Galway were the better team overall, and had they run out 4 or 5 point winners it would have been merited. They are a very good team that have been motoring well all year. I can see them taking care of Derry, and giving a good account of themselves in an AI final. Need to sort out that problem with high balls in and around their goals, though.
I thought I could see some heavy legs out there on the Armagh side, and it's maybe no coincidence that some of the older lads - Murnin, Forker, Grugan, - didn't make it to the end of extra time. Armagh have had a tougher road than Galway over the last month.
Galway were also more clinical, I think the wide count at the end of normal time was something like 8-3. Some of Armagh's shot selection was off at clutch moments - unfortunately this came back to haunt them at the death too. McCabe's red didn't help either - Galway hit four in a row after that and looked to have killed the game off. The red was harsh for me. There's no malice there, it's just a fractionally mistimed hit. Yellow would've done and no one would've complained.
Then that mad 8 or 9 minutes. First off, fair play to Coldrick for adding the time. Galway were at the fake head injury stuff all second half to kill time, so 8 minutes was the least that was justified. A stop clock is the solution to this messing. Both goals were scrappy, but they're the type of goals you get when you want them enough. O'Neill's free to tie it up was something else, but there was never a doubt he'd nail it.
Extra time is a blur to me. I'll have to watch back when I have the stomach. I thought Armagh had it at two stages - after the third goal, and after Hall's point. It was always going to be tricky to hold on against an opponent like Galway, but maybe Armagh could have done one or two things differently and held out. McDaid's point to tie it up was exceptional, though.
The penalties are a nonsense and you couldn't hold it against either of the two lads that missed for Armagh. But if this team ever finds itself in the position again then I'd hope lessons can be learnt from yesterday. GAA keepers are not at the same shot stopping standard as top level soccer keepers. Just hit the target with enough power and you usually score in Gaelic football. This is what Galway managed, but a couple of the Armagh penalties looked to try to be too precise, too close to the top corner.
The row was bad. And Armagh more than played their part in it. That's three in 11 games this year, Armagh can't keep crying that they're just being picked on. In fact, in interviews afterwards, McGeeney more or less said that the lads have been encouraged to get on like this. To not take a step back, to get under the skin of the big boys and let them know you mean business. I get that this cocky upstart thing is an energy that the team feeds off, but for me it begins to become counterproductive after a time. In the short term you lose players and you lose focus. Longer term there is a loss of reputation, which kills you slowly as you find refs gunning for you more and more regularly. Armagh need to clean themselves up.
Tiernan Kelly in particular let himself down, and I'm sure he knows that. He should be contrite, take whatever punishment comes his way, and quietly go about working his way back into the team. He still has a fantastic football career ahead of him. It's difficult to make excuses for something like that, but I suppose he is young and the blood was up in the moment. It looked like one of those things that takes a second to happen, but that you regret for much, much longer. The witch hunt online and in the media is pathetic, though. Hysterical squeals for lifetime bans. A lot of sanctimonious gobshites that just live for whinging about things. Luckily, the storm will move on to a different target by the middle of the week - hopefully TK keeps his head clear of the noise in the meantime.
As an Armagh supporter I'm already looking forward to 2023. The league gave a hint of it, but it's the last three championship games that has confirmed it for me: we're back knocking about the top table. Some serious work, and improvement, and momentum has come together over the last 18 months. Good young players have come through, and some stalwarts have elevated themselves to standards I didn't think they had in them. The continuation of the management isn't in any doubt, and hopefully Donaghy stays onboard too - the boys seem to feed off his enthusiasm.
I don't think any players walk away just yet, and there's maybe two more years in the likes of Grugan, Campbell & Forker. I can see Turbitt starting more regularly, and return for Oisin O'Neill, Kelly, and Grimley. It'll also be great for squad depth to have lads like Paddy Burns, Niall Rowland, and the Mackins back to full fitness. Boys like Woods and Kieran came in yesterday and kicked on, and there's others like McQuillen, McConville, McCambridge, and Higgins still to really break through. The year will also stand to men who have just only got going in settled positions on the field - Rafferty, Og Burns, Conor O'Neill, Crealey & Duffy.
The talent of 20 years ago might not quite be there, but there's still a very strong and healthy mix. There's also an energy and togetherness and spirit that has taken time to foster, and which could still take them a long way. The unnecessary stuff aside, there's a team there that plays great football with great heart. Football has been boring for a decade or more, it's good for the game to have teams like Armagh bringing a bit of colour and noise to Croke Park again.
Good luck to Galway and Derry the next day out. Would love to see either win Sam.
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Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.
You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.
I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
No hate, no anger read my take on yesterday, but suggesting that Armagh were wholly to blame and have been at it for years is just errant nonsense. If you are insulted that I believe that you are bullshitting there is nothing I can do for that, just my opinion of your musings and nothing personal.
I accept your apology, now that youve calmed down a little.
Let me be clear in case i wasnt before. Armagh are not solely to blame for yesterdays melee. It takes 2 to tango. I dont think anyone is suggesting otherwise.
Also im not suggesting that Armagh went out to start a pre-meditated melee at all. In fact i agree with you, no team does that as far as im aware.
However, what i was suggesting that in general the lesser footballer will often engage in nonsense to try gain that little edge over his clearly superior footballing opponent. In some cases many lesser footballers will round on the clearly superior footballer as a group and show of strength etc. Often times when there is a culture of chest beating and machismo in a group of players it will result in fracas, melees, set-tos, skullduggery. Sometimes it manifests itself as a box to the gut, other times it might be wrestling and grappling (which Armagh strangely seem to love)
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Come off it general_lee, are you actually serious here? Must be a WUM
Nah you're right, Armagh are to blame for Comer (rightly or wrongly) going at James Morgan which was the spark that ignited the melee. They knew what they were at all along ::)
Comer went for Morgan after Morgan had ran through the back of him. That is a fact
Who did what here is almost moot. Who was the third man in?
As a neutral , (though I've no love for Armagh as our closest neighbours and rivals and wanted to see Galway win), I really admire what Armagh brought to the championship this year. Riain O'Neill and Soupy Campbell are both All star material. Galway as always showed flashes of flair . Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that Walsh disappointed overall , he didn't take the game to Armagh but was feigning injury and attempting to get cards all day. Comer was acting the hard man all day , and Tbf was more likely to be the instigator of the row than Morgan who was already on a yellow. Sean Kelly won't be too happy with Comer and Walsh , Particularly if he misses out on the Derry game. Walsh was writhing about all day but made several miraculous recoveries. Remarkable to see him still standing at the end to take his penalty with such aplomb 😜. The officials in the Derry game will presumably be wise to Comer and Walsh particularly. Though it's remarkable how RTE commentators , presenters and pundits weren't wise to them, given their scrutiny of Tyrone tactics over the years .
Rte's coverage and bias, is light years behind Sky's objective professionalism .
I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
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Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
What has this got to do with yesterday.
The Armagh #2 ran after Comer and barged into him on the way to the tunnel.
Thats how the melee started
No it's not, Comer went for James Morgan after something between him and Walsh, that's how it started. Forker then got involved and straight away both teams went into full handbag mode
Melee starter
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
On what basis should Comer have seen red?
Start of extra time a tackle I think he struck to the face... It wasn't major but it was a strike.
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As a neutral , (though I've no love for Armagh as our closest neighbours and rivals and wanted to see Galway win), I really admire what Armagh brought to the championship this year. Riain O'Neill and Soupy Campbell are both All star material. Galway as always showed flashes of flair . Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that Walsh disappointed overall , he didn't take the game to Armagh but was feigning injury and attempting to get cards all day. Comer was acting the hard man all day , and Tbf was more likely to be the instigator of the row than Morgan who was already on a yellow. Sean Kelly won't be too happy with Comer and Walsh , Particularly if he misses out on the Derry game. Walsh was writhing about all day but made several miraculous recoveries. Remarkable to see him still standing at the end to take his penalty with such aplomb 😜. The officials in the Derry game will presumably be wise to Comer and Walsh particularly. Though it's remarkable how RTE commentators , presenters and pundits weren't wise to them, given their scrutiny of Tyrone tactics over the years .
Rte's coverage and bias, is light years behind Sky's objective professionalism .
Were you at the game? Would be interesting to view a player cam of Morgan "marking" Walsh off the ball. Clear to see from the stands what was going on off the ball.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 03:32:11 PM
Start of extra time a tackle I think he struck to the face... It wasn't major but it was a strike.
Hmmm will have to watch it back on the tv - didn't notice it at the time live.
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Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.
Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.
I've read some shite on here (mostly Tyrone and Derry people, ironically) chastising Armagh for yesterdays handbags. I'm not sure Armagh are coached to do anything specifically in terms of dark arts but the only criticism I'll accept is that the management clearly haven't learned anything this year in terms of other teams riling them up.
I've asked it before but what exactly do Armagh, or any team for that matter, have to gain by starting a melee? There is literally nothing to be achieved from a premeditated melee. Fair criticism of McGeeney/McKeever would be that their players fall for this shite too much: happened with Donegal, it happened with Tyrone and it happened again yesterday. TK deserves a hefty ban and if the powers that be make an example of him, so be it; moronic behaviour from him and something he shouldn't have involved himself with.
What has this got to do with yesterday.
The Armagh #2 ran after Comer and barged into him on the way to the tunnel.
Thats how the melee started
No it's not, Comer went for James Morgan after something between him and Walsh, that's how it started. Forker then got involved and straight away both teams went into full handbag mode
Melee starter
Walsh & Morgan 1&2, Comer no3
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Start of extra time a tackle I think he struck to the face... It wasn't major but it was a strike.
Hmmm will have to watch it back on the tv - didn't notice it at the time live.
Maybe I'm over egging it but I thought he struck. Probably would have been more of it so could have been just me but I did think he hit out.
Honestly to beat Derry I think you would need to keep his aggression in check.
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As a neutral , (though I've no love for Armagh as our closest neighbours and rivals and wanted to see Galway win), I really admire what Armagh brought to the championship this year. Riain O'Neill and Soupy Campbell are both All star material. Galway as always showed flashes of flair . Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that Walsh disappointed overall , he didn't take the game to Armagh but was feigning injury and attempting to get cards all day. Comer was acting the hard man all day , and Tbf was more likely to be the instigator of the row than Morgan who was already on a yellow. Sean Kelly won't be too happy with Comer and Walsh , Particularly if he misses out on the Derry game. Walsh was writhing about all day but made several miraculous recoveries. Remarkable to see him still standing at the end to take his penalty with such aplomb 😜. The officials in the Derry game will presumably be wise to Comer and Walsh particularly. Though it's remarkable how RTE commentators , presenters and pundits weren't wise to them, given their scrutiny of Tyrone tactics over the years .
Rte's coverage and bias, is light years behind Sky's objective professionalism .
That's a very fair post
There has been some drivel written about the penalties in the past 24 hours, predominantly by middle-aged women on Facebook, unsurprisingly. Armagh were robbed due to having to kick penalties etc. even though Galway also had the operate in the same conditions.
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Start of extra time a tackle I think he struck to the face... It wasn't major but it was a strike.
Hmmm will have to watch it back on the tv - didn't notice it at the time live.
Maybe I'm over egging it but I thought he struck. Probably would have been more of it so could have been just me but I did think he hit out.
Honestly to beat Derry I think you would need to keep his aggression in check.
Derry going to be extremely tough one way or another for sure.
I would have you as favourites but should be very interesting.
galway 11/10 Derry evens. Nothing in it.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0626/1306973-joyce-choice-of-penalties-by-the-gaa-is-disgraceful/
Speaking to RTÉ Sport after the game, Joyce had some sympathy for Armagh by the manner in which they exited the 2022 championship.
"It's a horrible way to lose it and that's not the fault of the Armagh players, it's the fault of the GAA and the condensed season," he said.
"My heart goes out to Armagh. Kieran McGeeney and the boys have put in a savage effort; they have been the form team and their supporters brought fantastic colour down here today. The roar when Rian O'Neill levelled the game in normal time was deafening
Gutted about yesterday but so glad to have seen the best football game this year. Well done galway a fine team and some serious players. Tierney at 11 and McDaid in the middle were immense for you. Thought Molloy had great game as well. I just watched the entire game back again as being there v TV is two very different perspectives. Of our own lads just a huge team effort. And while hard to watch players distraught at the end it shows the pride and passion is there and with wee rub of the green that team will go further. Anyone notice think it was either the 7th or 8th point for galway the pass was blatant throw ball or am i needing the optician again ? Not that it matters now just interesting that commentators never mentioned it. Maybe because it wasnt ?
Gonna be some battle between Derry and Galway
Taoiseach and Catherine Martin getting stuck into this now. We're only moments away from somebody in the Dail asking for the Army to sent in to steward games.
Jesus the amount of bile on this thread is unreal. Some folk really need to take a look at themselves if a football match involving teams rather that their own makes them react like that. I'm glad though that Armagh's defeat has given the Down supporters such a buzz. Methinks, given the demise of their team, that they will be depending on things like this to give them any sort of buzz for a few years yet
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Still feeling drained after that, so can't imagine what the players must feel like today.
Such an incredible rollercoaster of emotions for Armagh supporters over those two or three hours. In fact, the last four weeks or so have been a rollercoaster, from the doom and gloom in advance of the Tyrone game through to the colour and noise and expectation on Sunday. Such a shame, a disgrace really, that things ended with a penalty shootout. It's unnatural, anti-climactic, perfunctory. It doesn't belong in the GAA - I hope the rule makers realise this before any other county is disenfranchised. Striking the ball from the ground is a fundamental skill in soccer, it is not a fundamental skill in Gaelic football. This is why penalty shootouts do not belong in the GAA.
The game in normal time was conventional enough. Armagh started well and then faded. Galway were the better team overall, and had they run out 4 or 5 point winners it would have been merited. They are a very good team that have been motoring well all year. I can see them taking care of Derry, and giving a good account of themselves in an AI final. Need to sort out that problem with high balls in and around their goals, though.
I thought I could see some heavy legs out there on the Armagh side, and it's maybe no coincidence that some of the older lads - Murnin, Forker, Grugan, - didn't make it to the end of extra time. Armagh have had a tougher road than Galway over the last month.
Galway were also more clinical, I think the wide count at the end of normal time was something like 8-3. Some of Armagh's shot selection was off at clutch moments - unfortunately this came back to haunt them at the death too. McCabe's red didn't help either - Galway hit four in a row after that and looked to have killed the game off. The red was harsh for me. There's no malice there, it's just a fractionally mistimed hit. Yellow would've done and no one would've complained.
Then that mad 8 or 9 minutes. First off, fair play to Coldrick for adding the time. Galway were at the fake head injury stuff all second half to kill time, so 8 minutes was the least that was justified. A stop clock is the solution to this messing. Both goals were scrappy, but they're the type of goals you get when you want them enough. O'Neill's free to tie it up was something else, but there was never a doubt he'd nail it.
Extra time is a blur to me. I'll have to watch back when I have the stomach. I thought Armagh had it at two stages - after the third goal, and after Hall's point. It was always going to be tricky to hold on against an opponent like Galway, but maybe Armagh could have done one or two things differently and held out. McDaid's point to tie it up was exceptional, though.
The penalties are a nonsense and you couldn't hold it against either of the two lads that missed for Armagh. But if this team ever finds itself in the position again then I'd hope lessons can be learnt from yesterday. GAA keepers are not at the same shot stopping standard as top level soccer keepers. Just hit the target with enough power and you usually score in Gaelic football. This is what Galway managed, but a couple of the Armagh penalties looked to try to be too precise, too close to the top corner.
The row was bad. And Armagh more than played their part in it. That's three in 11 games this year, Armagh can't keep crying that they're just being picked on. In fact, in interviews afterwards, McGeeney more or less said that the lads have been encouraged to get on like this. To not take a step back, to get under the skin of the big boys and let them know you mean business. I get that this cocky upstart thing is an energy that the team feeds off, but for me it begins to become counterproductive after a time. In the short term you lose players and you lose focus. Longer term there is a loss of reputation, which kills you slowly as you find refs gunning for you more and more regularly. Armagh need to clean themselves up.
Tiernan Kelly in particular let himself down, and I'm sure he knows that. He should be contrite, take whatever punishment comes his way, and quietly go about working his way back into the team. He still has a fantastic football career ahead of him. It's difficult to make excuses for something like that, but I suppose he is young and the blood was up in the moment. It looked like one of those things that takes a second to happen, but that you regret for much, much longer. The witch hunt online and in the media is pathetic, though. Hysterical squeals for lifetime bans. A lot of sanctimonious gobshites that just live for whinging about things. Luckily, the storm will move on to a different target by the middle of the week - hopefully TK keeps his head clear of the noise in the meantime.
As an Armagh supporter I'm already looking forward to 2023. The league gave a hint of it, but it's the last three championship games that has confirmed it for me: we're back knocking about the top table. Some serious work, and improvement, and momentum has come together over the last 18 months. Good young players have come through, and some stalwarts have elevated themselves to standards I didn't think they had in them. The continuation of the management isn't in any doubt, and hopefully Donaghy stays onboard too - the boys seem to feed off his enthusiasm.
I don't think any players walk away just yet, and there's maybe two more years in the likes of Grugan, Campbell & Forker. I can see Turbitt starting more regularly, and return for Oisin O'Neill, Kelly, and Grimley. It'll also be great for squad depth to have lads like Paddy Burns, Niall Rowland, and the Mackins back to full fitness. Boys like Woods and Kieran came in yesterday and kicked on, and there's others like McQuillen, McConville, McCambridge, and Higgins still to really break through. The year will also stand to men who have just only got going in settled positions on the field - Rafferty, Og Burns, Conor O'Neill, Crealey & Duffy.
The talent of 20 years ago might not quite be there, but there's still a very strong and healthy mix. There's also an energy and togetherness and spirit that has taken time to foster, and which could still take them a long way. The unnecessary stuff aside, there's a team there that plays great football with great heart. Football has been boring for a decade or more, it's good for the game to have teams like Armagh bringing a bit of colour and noise to Croke Park again.
Good luck to Galway and Derry the next day out. Would love to see either win Sam.
Great, balanced post.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 27, 2022, 04:08:44 PM
Jesus the amount of bile on this thread is unreal. Some folk really need to take a look at themselves if a football match involving teams rather that their own makes them react like that. I'm glad though that Armagh's defeat has given the Down supporters such a buzz. Methinks, given the demise of their team, that they will be depending on things like this to give them any sort of buzz for a few years yet
I'll not say too much because for a while there we were relying on Tyrone/Down misfortune for our own buzz. Great to be back at the top table and have everyone talking about us though.
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I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
On what basis should Comer have seen red?
Some of the claptrap here since the match yesterday is incredible. That was a great game, fair play to both sets of players, a phenomenal atmosphere in the stadium which the Armagh support contributed to in a massive way. The melee was the usual handbags with the exception of one complete tr**p who should be fucked out from playing for a year.
Shane Walsh "feigning injury", I'll be kind and assume this person wasn't in CP, how Morgan didn't get a second yellow is the only "remarkable" thing. It's even noted in the IT match report, "
they should also have been without James Morgan whose enthusiasm for wrestling Shane Walsh and clattering into him off the ball miraculously failed to draw further punishment than one yellow card.". Presumably this will be disavowed as West Brit propaganda.
I met some absolute gents from Armagh both pre and post match in and around CP, a much fairer appraisal of the match and the controversies was had with them, so to come online and read back through this thread is surprising, either people weren't at the match or if they were, have put some quare slant on what happened out there. I would have preferred a replay for the game but both teams knew that penalties were a possibility.
Galway turned up and once they got over the first 15 minutes gave the performance that was required on a big day. Finnerty, Tierney and McDaid came of age in Galway jerseys yesterday, Tierney had not been in top form in Connacht but came alive in CP. Shane Walsh did not have a good game, he'll know that himself, the great thing is that there is another match to try and play better in only two weeks away.
The Galway collapses are seriously troubling as against Mayo, Roscommon and now Armagh, Galway have been the better team and have contrived to make comfortable victories into something that would take years off you. Gleeson and the kickouts have been flagged as a huge weakness for a long time and it is hard to believe that we got away with those catastrophic errors yesterday. Armagh were gifted 3 goals and still didn't win, the grit and clutch play from McDaid in ET to ensure that they didn't was a sight to behold.
Derry are a formidable team and the league result will have no bearing on the semi final whatsoever. Galway need to show up and play better again the next day again, simple as that.
Quote from: maddog on June 27, 2022, 04:06:45 PM
Gutted about yesterday but so glad to have seen the best football game this year. Well done galway a fine team and some serious players. Tierney at 11 and McDaid in the middle were immense for you. Thought Molloy had great game as well. I just watched the entire game back again as being there v TV is two very different perspectives. Of our own lads just a huge team effort. And while hard to watch players distraught at the end it shows the pride and passion is there and with wee rub of the green that team will go further. Anyone notice think it was either the 7th or 8th point for galway the pass was blatant throw ball or am i needing the optician again ? Not that it matters now just interesting that commentators never mentioned it. Maybe because it wasnt ?
Gonna be some battle between Derry and Galway
Thought their half back, no. 7 (can't remember his name) did a lot of damage too. Constantly on the ball, probing, getting their attack going. In short a right pain in the arse!
Was Oisin O'Neill injured this year, or not on the panel?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/
Quote from: ardtole on June 27, 2022, 04:17:56 PM
Was Oisin O'Neill injured this year, or not on the panel?
Injured unfortunately. He'd be of a similar calibre player to the brother so we'll be hoping he's back flying for next year.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/
Charlie Tanagan is looking a Garda investigation! Didn't think he would watch GAA
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/
Hyperbolic hypocritical nonsense from O'Rourke. And then I seen that muppet Flanagan looking to get the Gardai involved. You know it is gone too far when the actual Galway manager is less offended than those media pundits and rival fans preaching from the pulpit.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 27, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
On what basis should Comer have seen red?
Shane Walsh "feigning injury", I'll be kind and assume this person wasn't in CP, how Morgan didn't get a second yellow is the only "remarkable" thing. It's even noted in the IT match report, "they should also have been without James Morgan whose enthusiasm for wrestling Shane Walsh and clattering into him off the ball miraculously failed to draw further punishment than one yellow card.". Presumably this will be disavowed as West Brit propaganda.
Shane Walsh made one hell of a recovery down near the Canal End, (I thought he looked in a bad way, possibly shot by a sniper?) but thankfully moments later was up like a rocket and fully recovered as his teammates were in possession and on the attack.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/
Hyperbolic hypocritical nonsense from O'Rourke. And then I seen that muppet Flanagan looking to get the Gardai involved. You know it is gone too far when the actual Galway manager is less offended than those media pundits and rival fans preaching from the pulpit.
West Brit propaganda?
I love Joe Brolly and Logan to actually be paid to write the Gaa rule book revisions, seeing these lads are involving half the time getting round them. O'Rourke comments wee but ironic saying he played on Gaelic football meanest team ever.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 27, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
On what basis should Comer have seen red?
Some of the claptrap here since the match yesterday is incredible. That was a great game, fair play to both sets of players, a phenomenal atmosphere in the stadium which the Armagh support contributed to in a massive way. The melee was the usual handbags with the exception of one complete tr**p who should be fucked out from playing for a year.
Shane Walsh "feigning injury", I'll be kind and assume this person wasn't in CP, how Morgan didn't get a second yellow is the only "remarkable" thing. It's even noted in the IT match report, "they should also have been without James Morgan whose enthusiasm for wrestling Shane Walsh and clattering into him off the ball miraculously failed to draw further punishment than one yellow card.". Presumably this will be disavowed as West Brit propaganda.
I met some absolute gents from Armagh both pre and post match in and around CP, a much fairer appraisal of the match and the controversies was had with them, so to come online and read back through this thread is surprising, either people weren't at the match or if they were, have put some quare slant on what happened out there. I would have preferred a replay for the game but both teams knew that penalties were a possibility.
Galway turned up and once they got over the first 15 minutes gave the performance that was required on a big day. Finnerty, Tierney and McDaid came of age in Galway jerseys yesterday, Tierney had not been in top form in Connacht but came alive in CP. Shane Walsh did not have a good game, he'll know that himself, the great thing is that there is another match to try and play better in only two weeks away.
The Galway collapses are seriously troubling as against Mayo, Roscommon and now Armagh, Galway have been the better team and have contrived to make comfortable victories into something that would take years off you. Gleeson and the kickouts have been flagged as a huge weakness for a long time and it is hard to believe that we got away with those catastrophic errors yesterday. Armagh were gifted 3 goals and still didn't win, the grit and clutch play from McDaid in ET to ensure that they didn't was a sight to behold.
Derry are a formidable team and the league result will have no bearing on the semi final whatsoever. Galway need to show up and play better again the next day again, simple as that.
Good post. Best of luck in a fortnights time
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/
Admittedly I like ORourke but when a meath man talks about other teams thuggery I take it with a pinch of salt
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 27, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
I would agree with a lot of that. I would have preferred Armagh won but I do generally like Galway. Comer was wired in that game and I honestly thought he should have had red. Walsh while wasn't fantastic was subject to some not great treatment by Morgan so I wouldn't have his behaviour down as quite as bad as you would but still expected better from him both behaviour wise and taking the game to armagh wise.
On what basis should Comer have seen red?
Some of the claptrap here since the match yesterday is incredible. That was a great game, fair play to both sets of players, a phenomenal atmosphere in the stadium which the Armagh support contributed to in a massive way. The melee was the usual handbags with the exception of one complete tr**p who should be fucked out from playing for a year.
Shane Walsh "feigning injury", I'll be kind and assume this person wasn't in CP, how Morgan didn't get a second yellow is the only "remarkable" thing. It's even noted in the IT match report, "they should also have been without James Morgan whose enthusiasm for wrestling Shane Walsh and clattering into him off the ball miraculously failed to draw further punishment than one yellow card.". Presumably this will be disavowed as West Brit propaganda.
I met some absolute gents from Armagh both pre and post match in and around CP, a much fairer appraisal of the match and the controversies was had with them, so to come online and read back through this thread is surprising, either people weren't at the match or if they were, have put some quare slant on what happened out there. I would have preferred a replay for the game but both teams knew that penalties were a possibility.
Galway turned up and once they got over the first 15 minutes gave the performance that was required on a big day. Finnerty, Tierney and McDaid came of age in Galway jerseys yesterday, Tierney had not been in top form in Connacht but came alive in CP. Shane Walsh did not have a good game, he'll know that himself, the great thing is that there is another match to try and play better in only two weeks away.
The Galway collapses are seriously troubling as against Mayo, Roscommon and now Armagh, Galway have been the better team and have contrived to make comfortable victories into something that would take years off you. Gleeson and the kickouts have been flagged as a huge weakness for a long time and it is hard to believe that we got away with those catastrophic errors yesterday. Armagh were gifted 3 goals and still didn't win, the grit and clutch play from McDaid in ET to ensure that they didn't was a sight to behold.
Derry are a formidable team and the league result will have no bearing on the semi final whatsoever. Galway need to show up and play better again the next day again, simple as that.
I've stated I wanted to see Galway win , so I'm at the very least giving a neutral viewpoint. I wasn't at the match, my opinion is formed after watching live Tv, and replays and analysis , which those at the match didn't benefit from. I equally accept there are things not picked up on camera that I didn't see .
Shane Walsh is as gifted a player as there is in the country. But Look at the video , in the first half he was in agony with an ankle injury , but he managed to strike a free immediately afterwards with perfect technique and balance and run at 100mph. The incident with Morgan looked as if he was in real trouble , writhing about , but again running without impediment immediately after. Morgan was on a booking, who had most to lose by the wrestling match towards the end with Walsh and another?
Armagh are no angels, but it seems to me that Galway escaped scrutiny from the pundits for questionable tactics . Questionable antics are part and parcel for every county team, but RTE seem to cherry pick who they want to scrutinise.
With all the complaining about penalties, I wonder did Armagh and Galway delegates vote for or against penalties when the proposal came forward at Congress?
Four match ban. Would have been one match if he was a player, so doubling that and doubling it again because he wasn't a member of the match day squad and because he shouldn't have been anywhere near the melee is about right.
You want to deal with gouging properly, have a rule that allows you to deal with it properly.
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 08:25:26 AM
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Blaine Hughes went straight in to headlock take down Galway No. 4 so he was an escalator
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 27, 2022, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 08:25:26 AM
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Blaine Hughes went straight in to headlock take down Galway No. 4 so he was an escalator
Steps should be taken against escalators.
Quote from: Sportacus on June 27, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
With all the complaining about penalties, I wonder did Armagh and Galway delegates vote for or against penalties when the proposal came forward at Congress?
It doesn't really resonate until your county's involved in one. It didn't for me anyway. Try being in that position and then see how you feel about penalties.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2022, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 27, 2022, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 08:25:26 AM
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Blaine Hughes went straight in to headlock take down Galway No. 4 so he was an escalator
Steps should be taken against escalators.
;D
I gave up reading this thread and skipped to this page where a Galway man talked the most sense.
Before going further I will say TK deserves a ban and I hope he learns from it. He has the potential to be a very good player. People do stupid things and all they can do is learn from it. Other players have done the same without half the abuse.
As for the accusations Armagh somehow are especially profound at dirty tricks and starting melees - wise up. Every team has players who will push the line. Armagh no more than others. And the melees can only start if 2 teams get involved.
For me a big part of the problem with this Armagh team is that they aren't cute enough. Without criticising Galway they had players to win frees, lie injured to stop momentum and block runners with half fouls that go unpunished. Most Armagh players take it as an affront to be treated by the physio! I think this more than anything contributes to them getting involved in melees. It is not in their nature to walk away.
As for what started yesterday's row. From were I sat Morgan gave Comer a bit of a shove and Comer overreacted - probably mad at the finish to game. He then pushed someone else and everyone charged in. The majority were trying to separate others.
I have been at nearly every game possible, home and away, that Armagh have played since Geezer took over. The majority of the time the games have been exciting. There is a reason so many went to support them yesterday. Even those who wouldn't know a football if it hit them on the head. Armagh are good to watch .
Good luck Galway in rest of championship. I didn't hear their supporters complain about dirty tricks yesterday.
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
Quote from: Armamike on June 27, 2022, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on June 27, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
With all the complaining about penalties, I wonder did Armagh and Galway delegates vote for or against penalties when the proposal came forward at Congress?
It doesn't really resonate until your county's involved in one. It didn't for me anyway. Try being in that position and then see how you feel about penalties.
Losing sucks. The method is irrelevant.
Galway had been practicing penalties for weeks. Very similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhlNKcyNCI
Attention to detail
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
That's similar positive spin I've seen by certain soccer supporters on social media on a mediocre season
Quote from: Throw ball on June 27, 2022, 09:09:12 PM
I gave up reading this thread and skipped to this page where a Galway man talked the most sense.
Before going further I will say TK deserves a ban and I hope he learns from it. He has the potential to be a very good player. People do stupid things and all they can do is learn from it. Other players have done the same without half the abuse.
As for the accusations Armagh somehow are especially profound at dirty tricks and starting melees - wise up. Every team has players who will push the line. Armagh no more than others. And the melees can only start if 2 teams get involved.
For me a big part of the problem with this Armagh team is that they aren't cute enough. Without criticising Galway they had players to win frees, lie injured to stop momentum and block runners with half fouls that go unpunished. Most Armagh players take it as an affront to be treated by the physio! I think this more than anything contributes to them getting involved in melees. It is not in their nature to walk away.
As for what started yesterday's row. From were I sat Morgan gave Comer a bit of a shove and Comer overreacted - probably mad at the finish to game. He then pushed someone else and everyone charged in. The majority were trying to separate others.
I have been at nearly every game possible, home and away, that Armagh have played since Geezer took over. The majority of the time the games have been exciting. There is a reason so many went to support them yesterday. Even those who wouldn't know a football if it hit them on the head. Armagh are good to watch .
Good luck Galway in rest of championship. I didn't hear their supporters complain about dirty tricks yesterday.
Very well said. Hopefully our lads can learn something and come back next year. I'll tell you what, the championship is going to be wide up for the next few years- the 4 semi finalists this year plus ourselves, will all be knocking about at the top table for the next while- theres another 3/4 good teams in Ulster who will be sitting a home licking their wounds and ready for a charge at next year and Mayo will always be knocking about as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
Read it all now. Ffs.
Trying to think of a better more exciting game of ball than this, I'm struggling to be honest. Take a bow Galway & Armagh this was wonderful stuff. The energy, commitment & drive from both teams was breathtaking. Truly one of the great games.
Got to say northern teams bring phenomenal support with them. I mean Kerry & Cork are a disgrace compared to the northern supporters.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
For anybody that was at the game yesterday it will live long in the memory. It had almost everything you would want and it's no coincidence that Armagh have been involved in some of the best games in the last year or two. At the end of the day football is about enjoyment and nobody could walk away yesterday saying they didn't get value for money. I actually think Armagh have helped paper over a lot of the cracks of modern Gaelic football with their last 3 championship matches.
Ok. Reality check. Galway we're comfortably a 6 point better team. Two flukey goals saved Armagh's blushes.
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
Come back after the 5th lad.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 09:50:31 PM
For anybody that was at the game yesterday it will live long in the memory. It had almost everything you would want and it's no coincidence that Armagh have been involved in some of the best games in the last year or two. At the end of the day football is about enjoyment and nobody could walk away yesterday saying they didn't get value for money. I actually think Armagh have helped paper over a lot of the cracks of modern Gaelic football with their last 3 championship matches.
Add to that our cracking game against Monaghan last year in the heat where Rian O'Neill gave one of the best displays of football I've ever seen.
Hands down the best team in the country to watch but that'll not win you much on its own. We'll keep improving though.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
Stolen from another site
Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
Come back after the 5th lad.
Most of todays players weren't even born...
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2022, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
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Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
Was it not more of a case that what's rare is wonderful? :-X
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
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Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
Come back after the 5th lad.
Most of todays players weren't even born...
Had the pleasure of being at 2 lad. Enjoy your buzz at losing to a div 2 team in last 8.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 09:53:11 PM
Ok. Reality check. Galway we're comfortably a 6 point better team. Two flukey goals saved Armagh's blushes.
feck I forgot goals don't count when they come from kicking long balls in. Part of the reason we beat Donegal is because we were able to defend Donegal launching high ball in to Murphy in the second half. Galway couldn't and it almost lost them the game. Simple tactic but can be deadly effective.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 09:53:11 PM
Ok. Reality check. Galway we're comfortably a 6 point better team. Two flukey goals saved Armagh's blushes.
The scoreboard stated otherwise.
Hold on. How did we move onto Armagh now being the saviours of football and the best team in the country to watch.
Are we now saying they rival the great one-in-a-row team from 2002. Surely not.
This is getting better by the minute.
Orange days in schools, invading the pitch after winning a qualifier, turning croker orange. A county who believed their own hype. Only for a few flukey goals they'd have been well bate and home in plenty of time for songs of praise.
I was at the match because of the Eagles and I was dismayed at the antics of an Armagh player who when warming up kicked a ball up into the air and it landed flat on a seagull and the Armagh player didn't batter an eyelid. I tired to remsonstrate with an official about it and he looked at me as if there was something wrong with me. Left a bad taste.
Isn't it great to be talked about again, keep it coming lads!
No surer sign that you're on the right track than a few snarky digs from the nearest and dearest.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
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Good bit of truth in this, re: the support anyway, which was definitely Armagh's 16th man. Only wish Galway would bring the same to non-final matches.
Hopefully, when the dust settles, all viewers will realise the melee was simply for the most part, pulling and dragging and shouting and noise. Forget the "won't somebody please think of the children" brigade. Everybody loved it because it gave an extra slice of frisson to an exciting game, and gives RTE + other media 'column inches' to sell. Maybe the most the GAA can do is issue stiff fines to both counties. Would be the sensible way out too because, whoever gets banned, particularly from Galway, it will be appealed and overturned most likely anyway.
What a game of football. An absolute rollercoaster of emotions for both sets of fans. Jesus, Armagh brought some crowd and they had CP quaking when RON kicked a monster free to bring it to ET. We finally showed a bit of balls in a big game in CP, it's been a long time coming. If that doesn't stir something in that group of lads, nothing will. I lived that game through my young lad. He went through every emotion a 13 year old can. I don't think he watched any of the penalties live! 😂.
Some of the less heralded players pulled Galway through yesterday. Delighted for the likes of Tierney, Finnerty, Glynn but McDaid was just sublime, what a display, just refused to be beaten. Dare I say it was Ja esque!!
All the other stuff has been well covered to death, it in no way should detract from what was, by a distance, the game of the year todate.
Make no mistake but the Armagh crowd made that occasion yesterday. The colour and noise was brilliant to see. Like ourselves and after a long wait, they have a young team they can be proud of and one they can row in behind over the next few years - football needs a few new teams to come to the fore.
Roll on the semi final, Gaillimh Abu!
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 28, 2022, 12:53:17 AM
What a game of football. An absolute rollercoaster of emotions for both sets of fans. Jesus, Armagh brought some crowd and they had CP quaking when RON kicked a monster free to bring it to ET. We finally showed a bit of balls in a big game in CP, it's been a long time coming. If that doesn't stir something in that group of lads, nothing will. I lived that game through my young lad. He went through every emotion a 13 year old can. I don't think he watched any of the penalties live! 😂.
Some of the less heralded players pulled Galway through yesterday. Delighted for the likes of Tierney, Finnerty, Glynn but McDaid was just sublime, what a display, just refused to be beaten. Dare I say it was Ja esque!!
All the other stuff has been well covered to death, it in no way should detract from what was, by a distance, the game of the year todate.
Make no mistake but the Armagh crowd made that occasion yesterday. The colour and noise was brilliant to see. Like ourselves and after a long wait, they have a young team they can be proud of and one they can row in behind over the next few years - football needs a few new teams to come to the fore.
Roll on the semi final, Gaillimh Abu!
Well said
It would have been a great day all around, except for this, the rest of the "melee" are mostly standing around.
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For anybody that was at the game yesterday it will live long in the memory. It had almost everything you would want and it's no coincidence that Armagh have been involved in some of the best games in the last year or two. At the end of the day football is about enjoyment and nobody could walk away yesterday saying they didn't get value for money. I actually think Armagh have helped paper over a lot of the cracks of modern Gaelic football with their last 3 championship matches.
Add to that our cracking game against Monaghan last year in the heat where Rian O'Neill gave one of the best displays of football I've ever seen.
Hands down the best team in the country to watch but that'll not win you much on its own. We'll keep improving though.
You lost that game to Monaghan, outplayed, outfoxed except for a brief O'Neill inspired flurry in the 2nd half and hadn't the wherewithal to finish out the game out after going ahead. Its a 70mins plus game.
That's past history, fwiw I think Galway were better but not by that much. The red card hit Armagh hard with Galway scoring 6 in a row in the aftermath. Shortly after the red card Armagh looked a beaten docket until added time. But it's a 70mins plus game and in those added 8 minutes Armagh looked invincible and deserved the ET, especially after that outrageous equaliser from the player of the year, scoring the point of the year.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 09:50:31 PM
For anybody that was at the game yesterday it will live long in the memory. It had almost everything you would want and it's no coincidence that Armagh have been involved in some of the best games in the last year or two. At the end of the day football is about enjoyment and nobody could walk away yesterday saying they didn't get value for money. I actually think Armagh have helped paper over a lot of the cracks of modern Gaelic football with their last 3 championship matches.
Add to that our cracking game against Monaghan last year in the heat where Rian O'Neill gave one of the best displays of football I've ever seen.
Hands down the best team in the country to watch but that'll not win you much on its own. We'll keep improving though.
You lost that game to Monaghan, outplayed, outfoxed except for a brief O'Neill inspired flurry in the 2nd half and hadn't the wherewithal to finish out the game out after going ahead. Its a 70mins plus game.
That's past history, fwiw I think Galway were better but not by that much. The red card hit Armagh hard with Galway scoring 6 in a row in the aftermath. Shortly after the red card Armagh looked a beaten docket until added time. But it's a 70mins plus game and in those added 8 minutes Armagh looked invincible and deserved the ET, especially after that outrageous equaliser from the player of the year, scoring the point of the year.
I know we were beat, just making the point that we've been in 2 of the best games of the year 2 years in a row- off topic but we'd have been home and hosed that day except for a couple of basic errors on our own kickout- our keeper was a 20 year old thrown in at the deep end after our keeper got covid that week.
Anyway, agree with ye on the Galway game, we started so wel but allowed Galway back into it, they were the better team up until the 70 minute mark. We looked beaten but the cheer that went up when the 8 minutes of injury time were announced seemed to drive us on again.
Anyway best of luck Galway and Derry for the semi- should be a cracker and hopefully yhe winner of that can win the final.
Mayo need the next manager to win the All Ireland and break the cycle of losing at the last stage. It's probably a mix of psychology and forwards. A joint ticket of someone from outside the county and someone with experience of breaking through against the odds, even from another sport, might work. Someone like Pat Lam or Cora Staunton.
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Mayo need the next manager to win the All Ireland and break the cycle of losing at the last stage. It's probably a mix of psychology and forwards. A joint ticket of someone from outside the county and someone with experience of breaking through against the odds, even from another sport, might work. Someone like Pat Lam or Cora Staunton.
What has this got to do with Galway v Armagh?
Good point.
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End of the day managers attitude is alot to blame especially McGeeney Attitude. Dublin were the masters of goading to Pat Kilroy came onboard and cut it out over night. Armagh been involved in 3 pile on this year. Bad one few yrs ago against Cavan, and the worst one was a U-21 game with Tyrone a few yrs bck. It doesn't happen in soccer/Rugby cause they issues punishments for such. And the general attitude is there's nothing wrong with it. No wonder children now aday grow up with attitude of its someone else fault. And on the row, the initial instigator was Morgan not Comer, who shouldn't been on the field after blindsiding Walsh earlier.
The "row" was mostly pushing and holding (with the obvious, much discussed, exception). This used to be known as Handbags. In non-professional rugby and soccer, these rows also happen.
As for your Helen Lovejoy "won't somebody please think of the children" line, that gave me a laugh.
Hopefully the CCCC don't loose the run of themselves due to wailing on twitter and Galway will be at full strength for the Semi-Final.
They frequently happen in professional rugby and are allowed to fizzle out with the ref warning players as to future behaviour then if any serious foul play the citing commissioner intervenes. For some reason when they happen in GAA they are amplified beyond what they really are which is unsightly and unnecessary. The only two instances here needing dealt with are the gouge and the punch, the punch being as a result of the gouge would be less serious. In rugby these factors are taken in to account usually by the ref at the time. according to the Sunday Game the red cards were symbolic which is crap, if you are not going to allow the ref to use the video then if he has no clear sense of who did what it should be left to the video.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 09:50:31 PM
For anybody that was at the game yesterday it will live long in the memory. It had almost everything you would want and it's no coincidence that Armagh have been involved in some of the best games in the last year or two. At the end of the day football is about enjoyment and nobody could walk away yesterday saying they didn't get value for money. I actually think Armagh have helped paper over a lot of the cracks of modern Gaelic football with their last 3 championship matches.
Add to that our cracking game against Monaghan last year in the heat where Rian O'Neill gave one of the best displays of football I've ever seen.
Hands down the best team in the country to watch but that'll not win you much on its own. We'll keep improving though.
Armagh weren't great to watch for most of Sunday, had scored a pretty low tally until two Hail Mary's fell their way at the end. Sometimes a reality check is needed.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.
So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.
You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.
I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
No hate, no anger read my take on yesterday, but suggesting that Armagh were wholly to blame and have been at it for years is just errant nonsense. If you are insulted that I believe that you are bullshitting there is nothing I can do for that, just my opinion of your musings and nothing personal.
I accept your apology, now that youve calmed down a little.
Let me be clear in case i wasnt before. Armagh are not solely to blame for yesterdays melee. It takes 2 to tango. I dont think anyone is suggesting otherwise.
Also im not suggesting that Armagh went out to start a pre-meditated melee at all. In fact i agree with you, no team does that as far as im aware.
However, what i was suggesting that in general the lesser footballer will often engage in nonsense to try gain that little edge over his clearly superior footballing opponent. In some cases many lesser footballers will round on the clearly superior footballer as a group and show of strength etc. Often times when there is a culture of chest beating and machismo in a group of players it will result in fracas, melees, set-tos, skullduggery. Sometimes it manifests itself as a box to the gut, other times it might be wrestling and grappling (which Armagh strangely seem to love)
To be clear, no apology is required and I am calm and rational.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2022, 03:53:58 PM
There has been some drivel written about the penalties in the past 24 hours, predominantly by middle-aged women on Facebook, unsurprisingly. Armagh were robbed due to having to kick penalties etc. even though Galway also had the operate in the same conditions.
As Oisin McConville said, penalties are no way to end a GAA game, but both teams knew before Sunday that was what was happening so no use in whinging. Galway just about the better team overall so had Armagh won on penalties it would have been a greater injustice and that is my gripe.
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2022, 04:08:05 PM
Taoiseach and Catherine Martin getting stuck into this now. We're only moments away from somebody in the Dail asking for the Army to sent in to steward games.
He should be more concerned with the state of Cork football at the moment.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2022, 10:19:59 PM
Hold on. How did we move onto Armagh now being the saviours of football and the best team in the country to watch.
Are we now saying they rival the great one-in-a-row team from 2002. Surely not.
This is getting better by the minute.
The irony of Down fans chipping in, a team that never won a match all season. It might be best to focus on improving your position as the worst team in Ulster rather than talk about things that happened last century.
Where too start with that, couldn't believe what I was watching but all the Galway posters on here now Gleeson is a complete liability, ironically he porbably had his best day on kickouts yesterday. To concede 3 goals as bad as that and still win takes some doing, didn't think it at the time but winning that way will help Galway going forward. Joyce will have learned a lot about his players on Sunday.
After the sending off Galway pressed Rafferty's kickouts and think they won everyone he kicked until Galway went 6 points ahead and then they decided to let Armagh have the ball which nearly cost them; If their going to sit back then they should have either Conroy or Tierney in front of the keeper.
From about 20 minutes on Galway were very good, going from 3 points down to 6 points up whilst not relying on Conroy & Walsh; Finnerty again was superb, Tierney had his best game this summer and McDaid was just outstanding. Looks like Joyce has found a role to get the best out of him, looked every inch a potential All Star as a 20 year old but after coming back from Australia he could never stay fit.
There'd was always a lot of talk about Galway's forwards in recent years which was a load of nonsense but this year they've been brilliant. In normal time Galway's shot percentage must have been about 80%, think they hit more wides in extra time then in the first 70 mins. There's a good balance to that front 8, they all scored from play yesterday but will probably look back and think they left a few goals behind them.
These chances don't come around too often, don't think foreseen a Galway v Derry semi final coming prior to the championship but someone is going to make the final out of nowhere.
Always have a soft spot for Armagh, had a club trip over as a 13 year old to Cullyhanna which was a different experience for bunch of lads from Manchester, they've brought a crowd to a quarter final that no other county could match. Lets hope their here to stay, suspect they will.
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
Kieran Mc Geeney must be the most overated manager who has won nothing in 14 years.His after match interview was schoolboy stuff.
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
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Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
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Quote from: blanketattack on June 28, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
Its a team sport - and you should know that players will always back each other up.
Do you really think if Con OC or P Clifford came in to pull a player off a team mate who was getting it tight they would be kicked off the panel?
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
If he is devastated (and I am genuinely sure he is utterly ashamed and embarrassed), let's hope he takes his punishment like a man.
Unlike most of the rest of the intercounty world.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
Mc Conville is on some amount of podcasts.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
If he is devastated (and I am genuinely sure he is utterly ashamed and embarrassed), let's hope he takes his punishment like a man.
Unlike most of the rest of the intercounty world.
I would hope he will.
Just out of interest, what is the likely punishment? What does the rulebook state?
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Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
If he is devastated (and I am genuinely sure he is utterly ashamed and embarrassed), let's hope he takes his punishment like a man.
Unlike most of the rest of the intercounty world.
I would hope he will.
Just out of interest, what is the likely punishment? What does the rulebook state?
Heard talk of 6 months? Genuinely don't know though. He's injured so it might not impact that much depending on how long he's out for.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
If he is devastated (and I am genuinely sure he is utterly ashamed and embarrassed), let's hope he takes his punishment like a man.
Unlike most of the rest of the intercounty world.
After the initial lynching on social media with politicians and broadcasters wading in, the lad deserves to be left alone. Accept that he made a mistake in the heat of the moment and thankfully nobody got injured. I'm sure he has apologised to Comer behind closed doors and thats the way it should be, leave it at that. It will subside in a few days anyway as the permanently outraged mob will just move on to somebody else.
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
Personally for me, it's not so much over rated, but head scratching that he's been a manager for so long with his record. Anyone else with that Championship record with a team would be cast out long ago.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
After the match, someone said to me, "It wasn't Armagh's day", but they were wrong. Yesterday WAS Armagh's day, and it was one of the all-time great days in Croke Park.
Armagh brought everything to Croker yesterday, the noise, the fans, the colour, the excitement, the atmosphere, the chaos, the unpredictability, the hail marys, the goals, the comebacks, the schmozzle, the penalties. The list goes on.
The media are focusing on the row, but real GAA people will always remember yesterday for the amazing sense of occasion.
The Armagh game was followed by 2nd gear Kerry beating perennial losers Mayo, and was preceded the previous night by boring boring Dublin handpassing around a gutless Cork team who only brought about 300 supporters with them. If this is the sort of safe and sanitized football that RTÉ and the rest of the outraged media want then good luck to them.
Yesterday Armagh people voted with their feet, and thronged to Dublin in their tens of thousands to watch a team that are not afraid. They rose to the challenge to 'Turn Croker Orange' Someone has to win, and someone has to lose, but Armagh helped to restore something great to the GAA yesterday. They lost the game, but they never gave up, they made mistakes but were willing to take the risks. If you combine a team like this with the most fervent supporters in Ireland then you create the special kind of aura that we were lucky to witness yesterday and if they can keep that going next year then there is a chance that maybe Armagh can become the Saviours of Gaelic Football.
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Read it all now. Ffs.
Lol. You down boys are raging ;D
Come back after the 5th lad.
Maybe you come back when the second round of the Tailteann cup is even a realistic possibility for Down
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
People in Armagh. His championship record is woeful.
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Quote from: blanketattack on June 28, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
Bearing in mind Quinlan was 34 when this happened.
Is he about 21/22?
I hope he has good people around him.
The GAA need to remember that they have a responsibility to him also.
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https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/324032
If he is devastated (and I am genuinely sure he is utterly ashamed and embarrassed), let's hope he takes his punishment like a man.
Unlike most of the rest of the intercounty world.
I would hope he will.
Just out of interest, what is the likely punishment? What does the rulebook state?
Heard talk of 6 months? Genuinely don't know though. He's injured so it might not impact that much depending on how long he's out for.
Philly McMahon got a one match ban after gouging Gooch Cooper in 2015 AI final. I expect he will get around 3 matches though because he's an easier target. I don't think he will be appealing whatever suspension is forthcoming.
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
I thnk this will go against him. 96 weeks would be outrageous. WHere does it state that being the max ban?
Someone mentioned 96 weeks on the radio, but I think it only refers to a player interfering with a match official for a second time, having already served a ban for doing so.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1109/740744-video-donaghy-tells-referee-hes-been-eye-gouged/
There's your precedent for gouging so anybody calling for 96 weeks are pitch fork merchants who are either agenda driven or hypocritical. One match ban received by Philly McMahon and it was actuallly Donaghy that was on the receiving end of the gouge on that occasion not Gooch. He didn't cry like a baby and I think Comer is the sort of lad who will not be crying over it either. As someone else said earlier, he was one player who deliberately went over to all of the Armagh players after the penalty shoot out and shook all their hands. He certainly didn't look like a man that had a major axe to grind. Leave it on the field, take whatever punishment comes and move on.
Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
People in Armagh. His championship record is woeful.
His championship record is very poor. Up until the past few weeks there were plenty in Armagh who thought he's had enough time. In his defence, he hasn't had the benefit of any underage success coming through the system. He has also managed a happy squad who seem back him strongly.
I'm just curious as to where the overrated thing comes from. It's been used quite a bit on here. I don't see many in the media or pundits eulogising him.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:13:51 PM
Someone mentioned 96 weeks on the radio, but I think it only refers to a player interfering with a match official for a second time, having already served a ban for doing so.
Would expect that for headbutting the ref.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2022, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1109/740744-video-donaghy-tells-referee-hes-been-eye-gouged/
There's your precedent for gouging so anybody calling for 96 weeks are pitch fork merchants who are either agenda driven or hypocritical. One match ban received by Philly McMahon and it was actuallly Donaghy that was on the receiving end of the gouge on that occasion not Gooch. He didn't cry like a baby and I think Comer is the sort of lad who will not be crying over it either. As someone else said earlier, he was one player who deliberately went over to all of the Armagh players after the penalty shoot out and shook all their hands. He certainly didn't look like a man that had a major axe to grind. Leave it on the field, take whatever punishment comes and move on.
The reaction of the injured party will/should have zero impact on the punishment.
Where does this fall under the rules and punishment?
The GAA's hands are tied as far as punishment goes in many instances
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 09:26:58 AM
Good point.
Its not even a good point on the Mayo thread!
from what I can see it is a cat iv offence though could be more as he wasnt named as a player?
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2022, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 28, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
Its a team sport - and you should know that players will always back each other up.
Do you really think if Con OC or P Clifford came in to pull a player off a team mate who was getting it tight they would be kicked off the panel?
So your teammate has just been shouldered in the back (happens a lot in games, you'd know this as you'll have watched many a game) and the players should just way in to 'back' him up for being shouldered, even though he maybe instigated the shoulder in the first place?
Players should cop on and move on
Pulling a player off is not what you are meant to be doing.. let them push and shove and get off the pitch and get ready for the next part of the game
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Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
People in Armagh. His championship record is woeful.
His championship record is very poor. Up until the past few weeks there were plenty in Armagh who thought he's had enough time. In his defence, he hasn't had the benefit of any underage success coming through the system. He has also managed a happy squad who seem back him strongly.
I'm just curious as to where the overrated thing comes from. It's been used quite a bit on here. I don't see many in the media or pundits eulogising him.
The longevity is hard to understand. As a Galway fan I have seen a lot of mediocre hurling and football managers over the years. I think Geezer is mediocre.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2022, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 28, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
Its a team sport - and you should know that players will always back each other up.
Do you really think if Con OC or P Clifford came in to pull a player off a team mate who was getting it tight they would be kicked off the panel?
So your teammate has just been shouldered in the back (happens a lot in games, you'd know this as you'll have watched many a game) and the players should just way in to 'back' him up for being shouldered, even though he maybe instigated the shoulder in the first place?
Players should cop on and move on
Pulling a player off is not what you are meant to be doing.. let them push and shove and get off the pitch and get ready for the next part of the game
Can I just second this. Really don't need to see that....
It's hard to know where to start with all of this. The game, the atmosphere, the experience has been talked to death. The better team won and that's without doubt but we could have won also. Penalties an absolute lottery but until there is anything else they are what we have.
The melee and gouging....the parties involved in how the melee started should be punished. I believe CP will have to make a point and punish both sides here but will they? I suspect given the narrative being driven that Armagh will get heavier punishment, rightly or wrongly. Tiarnán Kelly will get a heavy ban though anything beyond 6 months is excessive in my opinion. Look at what happened in previous gouging cases and then add some on as an aggravating factor given that he was not part of the match day squad. He should have been in the stands and that's something that the GAA as a whole need to look at. The issue of the teams going into the same tunnel is a red herring. Responsibility for actions needs to be driven. Players, managers, officials all have a responsibility to act accordingly. Respect is not there and that's probably increased by the tribal nature of the sport. This isn't Armagh alone and is not recent either but something needs to change.
Where to now for Armagh? People will point to the wins against Donegal and Tyrone and say it was a good year. If you look though at the year it's played 11 between league and championship won 5, drew 1, lost 5. Beat Dublin who were on their holidays, Tyrone twice who were very poor, Kildare in the league who were relegated and are pretty poor and Donegal in a very good performance (albeit they looked like they were out on their feet). For all the seeming improvements we are as far away from a trophy as we have ever been in my opinion. People will point to injuries etc and they did play a factor but I genuinely don't see a team that has an identity, a structured plan. It's very much off the hoof and hope for the best. Maybe that's all that we can do but I suspect it's not. I think the best players more or less from the county are on the squad but I don't believe that the best is being brought out of them for a variety of reasons. Geezer will get another year and probably deserves it but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. I personally feel he has brought this team as far as he is capable of doing, kinda like the 2 Brian's in 2001, but now is time for change before the opportunity you a lost. There are too many good players there to miss another year.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 01:16:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 28, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 28, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
Just out of interest, who is overrating him?
People in Armagh. His championship record is woeful.
His championship record is very poor. Up until the past few weeks there were plenty in Armagh who thought he's had enough time. In his defence, he hasn't had the benefit of any underage success coming through the system. He has also managed a happy squad who seem back him strongly.
I'm just curious as to where the overrated thing comes from. It's been used quite a bit on here. I don't see many in the media or pundits eulogising him.
The longevity is hard to understand. As a Galway fan I have seen a lot of mediocre hurling and football managers over the years. I think Geezer is mediocre.
To be fair club football in Armagh has been poor for a number of years and there hasn't been any underage success. New systems have been put in place. The next few years will show if they are working
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
What did he say? 96 weeks is a joke given players only get one match bans. 3 months would be absolutely loads tbh.
Honestly think the ref needs to be made answer how he sent off Kelly and Nugent probably the 2 most innocent men there. Joke decision.
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
What did he say? 96 weeks is a joke given players only get one match bans. 3 months would be absolutely loads tbh.
Honestly think the ref needs to be made answer how he sent off Kelly and Nugent probably the 2 most innocent men there. Joke decision.
I think he intentionally sent them off as it would be overturned on appeal .. I think this was 'arranged' as there really wasn't that much complaining about it at the time..
The ban should be what it is endangering another player, there should also be a ban on entering the pitch, the county should also be fined for allowing a non named squad player on the side of the pitch, so the county sec will get pulled for that..
As for having good people around him, they should have been there before it started
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 28, 2022, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2022, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 28, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Good article by a previous eye-gouge perpetrator:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-30482075.html
"It wasn't a conscious decision, I just grabbed anything I could"
And because he just grabbed anything he could he suffered for it, instead of not getting involved and letting the two lads get on with whatever shit they wanted to do he's now (rightly) going to have to take the flack that goes with his actions.
It makes no sense if two people want to go at each other let them... The manager says that at the start of the year and any fool who wants to 'separate' them is kicked off the panel. There is no defending it from any angle or quarter.
Its a team sport - and you should know that players will always back each other up.
Do you really think if Con OC or P Clifford came in to pull a player off a team mate who was getting it tight they would be kicked off the panel?
So your teammate has just been shouldered in the back (happens a lot in games, you'd know this as you'll have watched many a game) and the players should just way in to 'back' him up for being shouldered, even though he maybe instigated the shoulder in the first place?
Players should cop on and move on
Pulling a player off is not what you are meant to be doing.. let them push and shove and get off the pitch and get ready for the next part of the game
Can I just second this. Really don't need to see that....
;D
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Id say we have the best players in the county on the panel. Some may argue we dont have our best 15 starting though. Hopefully getting the likes of OONeill and Grimley back will improve midfield though in fairness we could do with unearthing another body for there.
Tactically we could improve, certainly defensively we can improve further.
Joe Brolly says the Armagh apparent eye-gouger will be banned for at least a year, but the GAA needs to investigate "deliberate assaults" on Galway players during the game.
The Gaelic football analyst and All-Ireland winner with Derry told on The Indo Daily podcast on Independent.ie there is a "venom" in the way some, not all, of the Armagh players behave.
"They are out of control and it is only a matter of time before someone gets very seriously injured," he says.
"This was deliberate goading, deliberate assaults during the course of the game, way beyond what is acceptable. I invite the GAA to look at all the camera footage. They should be asking RTÉ for all of the camera footage, because a lot was missed yesterday. It's not good enough," he says.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
7:18 "practising penalties since December"
https://youtu.be/3PZpUh1TOBY
Preparation for 1998
https://youtu.be/-FhlNKcyNCI
That's the Galway football culture.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
What did he say? 96 weeks is a joke given players only get one match bans. 3 months would be absolutely loads tbh.
Honestly think the ref needs to be made answer how he sent off Kelly and Nugent probably the 2 most innocent men there. Joke decision.
I think he intentionally sent them off as it would be overturned on appeal .. I think this was 'arranged' as there really wasn't that much complaining about it at the time..
The ban should be what it is endangering another player, there should also be a ban on entering the pitch, the county should also be fined for allowing a non named squad player on the side of the pitch, so the county sec will get pulled for that..
As for having good people around him, they should have been there before it started
Harsh!
The lad is young. I'm not making excuses, but have there not been other such incidents (albeit without the additional factor of being a non-playing squad member) where there wasn't a media / social media pile on.
Whatever about the GAA's punishment, this media / social media / political pile-on is a punishment in itself, which is completely arbitrary and has a much greater impact than any suspensions imposed by the GAA. He has become a focal point for the broken nature of the entire GAA disciplinary system. Were people not seeking out his employer and calling for him to lose his job? Did other perpetrators of the same offence suffer the same denouncement from the highest offices in the land when similar incidents happened previously in championship or league football? Did TDs call for Garda investigations into those incidents?
The fault for the incident was much broader than this one player and the GAA have questions to answer too.
Whatever the misdemeanor, the GAA has a responsibility to players also, in ensuring that the player receives some support in the wake of this media backlash, which absolutely no one can prepare him for.
I appreciate that you are being genuinely critical of his actions, which is fair enough. However, I think it's worth having some empathy in this instance also. Imagine for one second that you were at the centre of one of these media / social media pile-ons. Imagine just how lonely a place that would be.
The social media pile on this one isn't arbitrary. It was the highest attended match of the year, broadcast live across the country. The perpetrator had no reason to be on the pitch, no reason to be touching distance of an opposing player. And then he delivered a truly filthy act, one with such potential for lifelong repercussions that it cannot be condoned by anyone.
As I say, not arbitrary. Not for this one.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
There are GAA people talking about a lengthy ban (Sean Kelly) - others talked about the maximum - which is 96 weeks I think? Would it be fair to expect him not to appeal such a ban given the precedent with other players who received 2/3 match bans. Albeit there was aggravating factors (shouldn't have entered the pitch - wasn't on match day 26).
What did he say? 96 weeks is a joke given players only get one match bans. 3 months would be absolutely loads tbh.
Honestly think the ref needs to be made answer how he sent off Kelly and Nugent probably the 2 most innocent men there. Joke decision.
I think he intentionally sent them off as it would be overturned on appeal .. I think this was 'arranged' as there really wasn't that much complaining about it at the time..
The ban should be what it is endangering another player, there should also be a ban on entering the pitch, the county should also be fined for allowing a non named squad player on the side of the pitch, so the county sec will get pulled for that..
As for having good people around him, they should have been there before it started
Harsh!
The lad is young. I'm not saying he should be excused, but other players have done similar (albeit without the additional factor of being a non-playing squad member) and have not suffered a media / social media pile on.
He deserves whatever punishment the GAA gives him and I'm sure he will take it.
But this media / social media / political pile-on is a punishment in itself, which is completely arbitrary and has a much greater impact than any suspensions imposed by the GAA. He has become a focal point for the broken nature of the entire GAA disciplinary system. People were seeking out his employer and calling for him to lose his job? Did other perpetrators of the same offence suffer the same denouncement from the highest offices in the land when similar incidents happened previously in championship or league football? Did TDs call for Garda investigations into those incidents?
The fault for the incident was much broader than this one player and the GAA have questions to answer too.
Despite his misdemeanor, the GAA has a responsibility to this player also, in ensuring that he receives some support in the wake of this media backlash, which absolutely no one can prepare him for.
I appreciate that you are being genuinely critical of his actions, which is fair enough. However, I think it's worth having some empathy in this instance also. Imagine for one second that you were at the centre of one of these media / social media pile-ons. Imagine just how lonely a place that would be.
The GAA's disciplinary process is all over the place.
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
The social media pile on this one isn't arbitrary. It was the highest attended match of the year, broadcast live across the country. The perpetrator had no reason to be on the pitch, no reason to be touching distance of an opposing player. And then he delivered a truly filthy act, one with such potential for lifelong repercussions that it cannot be condoned by anyone.
As I say, not arbitrary. Not for this one.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/kieran-donaghy-opens-up-on-how-close-he-was-to-eye-injury-after-philly-mcmahon-incident-45201
Did this not happen in an AIF?
Social media pile-ons are always arbitrary Wobbler. They are completely uncontrolled and take on a life of their own and by the time the GAA get round to administering justice, the mob will have got their pound of flesh (whatever a pound of flesh may look like -
arbitrary??). The online mob is a fairly vindictive bunch.
Not every perpetrator of this offence suffers the same. The same thing could happen in the semi-final, under slightly different circumstance and the mob mightn't mobilise at all.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
The social media pile on this one isn't arbitrary. It was the highest attended match of the year, broadcast live across the country. The perpetrator had no reason to be on the pitch, no reason to be touching distance of an opposing player. And then he delivered a truly filthy act, one with such potential for lifelong repercussions that it cannot be condoned by anyone.
As I say, not arbitrary. Not for this one.
so the social media pile on is alright then? He deserves it?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 28, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Completely agree bar the afterburners. First half of extra time he gets the ball under the Cusack, burns Morgan on the outside and is pulled, and kicks the free from near the sideline. Won and kicked a free in similar circumstances when Galway were struggling in the first half. Considering he won the frees, how are they not as good as scores from play (he kicked a gorgeous one of those incidentally).
Considering how many late hits he shipped and the fact that every time he went on a run he had two lads converging on him, I thought he really stood up. The second goal came because he drew 3 players before shipping it off. Some near neighbors who've been defending Cillian o'Connors 3 all ireland finals scoreless from play for years seem to be taking delight in saying he went missing when its utter nonsense, he was trying to take too much responsibility if anything, aiding to that braindead moment at the end of normal time. Luckily he made up for it in ET and penalties
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
the entering the field of play part. Will everyone who isn't part of the squad who entered the field of play get a punishment or just him? Rightly or wrongly he was with the team on Sunday and had to cross the field to get to the changing room. Does that count as entering the field of play?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
Did McMahon get one match that time for eye gouging? So one for that (although it deserves far more and likely he will get far more) Will he even get done for entering the field of play? Game was over and players were on their way into the changing rooms.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
Did McMahon get one match that time for eye gouging? So one for that (although it deserves far more and likely he will get far more) Will he even get done for entering the field of play? Game was over and players were on their way into the changing rooms.
I agree that the gouge deserves more but likely one match ban as a precedent has already been set with Philly McMahon. He paid the price in the aftermath of that incident though as he lost out on POTY because of the social media lynching when he would have been a shoe in.
I'm not sure about whether he would be deemed to have entered the field of play illegally. The match was over and the 2 subs benches were on the opposite side of the field to the dressing rooms so they had to cross the pitch to get there. I'd be fairly sure that he'll get more than one match though. I've seen people bandy around time bans such as 96 weeks. Do time bans even exist anymore, I thought it was purely based on a number of matches? Six months for example would be of no consequence for a player who is on the long term injury list anyway.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2022, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
The social media pile on this one isn't arbitrary. It was the highest attended match of the year, broadcast live across the country. The perpetrator had no reason to be on the pitch, no reason to be touching distance of an opposing player. And then he delivered a truly filthy act, one with such potential for lifelong repercussions that it cannot be condoned by anyone.
As I say, not arbitrary. Not for this one.
so the social media pile on is alright then? He deserves it?
Yes he deserves it.
This is not arbitrary. This is what happens when a person interferes clearly with another person's eye socket live on national tv.
It's psychotic behaviour. Those trying to play it down for fear of the perpetrator's mental health, are unwittingly opening the door for psychos to do what psychos want, under the protection of their own mental health.
By the way I'm not calling him a psycho. This could very well have been the first aggressive incident of his life.
But there are plenty of psychos in the GAa, and they don't need fuel for their energies.
He probably needs treatment. And he should turn off his phone.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0628/1307271-cccc-set-to-examine-armagh-galway-melee-later-today/
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
He seems to have been a very positive influence this year
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
He seems to have been a very positive influence this year
other than telling the team to concede the last Galway kick out I agree. Very positive
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
He seems to have been a very positive influence this year
other than telling the team to concede the last Galway kick out I agree. Very positive
I can see both sides of that last kickout. Press and ye have a chance of winning possession and the game is effectively over.
But if Gleeson goes long and ye don't win it - ye have less cover at the back and Galway have more room to manufacture an equaliser.
McDaid's equaliser was a brilliant score kicked under severe pressure.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Id say we have the best players in the county on the panel. Some may argue we dont have our best 15 starting though. Hopefully getting the likes of OONeill and Grimley back will improve midfield though in fairness we could do with unearthing another body for there.
Tactically we could improve, certainly defensively we can improve further.
There is a third O'Neill brother coming through and I have been told he could potentially be better than Rian, haven't seen him in action yet though.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 28, 2022, 01:31:02 PM
It's hard to know where to start with all of this. The game, the atmosphere, the experience has been talked to death. The better team won and that's without doubt but we could have won also. Penalties an absolute lottery but until there is anything else they are what we have.
The melee and gouging....the parties involved in how the melee started should be punished. I believe CP will have to make a point and punish both sides here but will they? I suspect given the narrative being driven that Armagh will get heavier punishment, rightly or wrongly. Tiarnán Kelly will get a heavy ban though anything beyond 6 months is excessive in my opinion. Look at what happened in previous gouging cases and then add some on as an aggravating factor given that he was not part of the match day squad. He should have been in the stands and that's something that the GAA as a whole need to look at. The issue of the teams going into the same tunnel is a red herring. Responsibility for actions needs to be driven. Players, managers, officials all have a responsibility to act accordingly. Respect is not there and that's probably increased by the tribal nature of the sport. This isn't Armagh alone and is not recent either but something needs to change.
Where to now for Armagh? People will point to the wins against Donegal and Tyrone and say it was a good year. If you look though at the year it's played 11 between league and championship won 5, drew 1, lost 5. Beat Dublin who were on their holidays, Tyrone twice who were very poor, Kildare in the league who were relegated and are pretty poor and Donegal in a very good performance (albeit they looked like they were out on their feet). For all the seeming improvements we are as far away from a trophy as we have ever been in my opinion. People will point to injuries etc and they did play a factor but I genuinely don't see a team that has an identity, a structured plan. It's very much off the hoof and hope for the best. Maybe that's all that we can do but I suspect it's not. I think the best players more or less from the county are on the squad but I don't believe that the best is being brought out of them for a variety of reasons. Geezer will get another year and probably deserves it but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. I personally feel he has brought this team as far as he is capable of doing, kinda like the 2 Brian's in 2001, but now is time for change before the opportunity you a lost. There are too many good players there to miss another year.
Few comments on the game:
1. Agree that Galway deserved to win it. Armagh didn't bring the same intensity to this match that they brought to the Tyrone and Donegal games. Despite pressure on the short-kickouts, we had no turnovers. I lost count of the number of times that Kealan Molloy was able to easily get away from the tackler. At the back, it felt like we weren't able to get a hand on Galway. Perhaps it was the extra room in Croke Park, maybe Galway moved the ball better, but we didn't get hands on enough. The intensity of the previous games wasn't there at times I felt.
2. Game management - Why we allowed Galway the short-kick out in extra time after Jemar Hall's point, I don't know. They were able to work the ball into scorable positions all day long and we should have been contesting possession.
3. The row - This suited Galway and was the last thing we needed going in after recovering from a 6 point deficit. Galway should have been going in deflated, but instead I'll bet they were pumped by the time the fighting was over. We have a tendancy to get involved in these pointless rows even though they are not in our interest. The one in Donegal in the NFL was completely stupid given the Championship match around the corner. Same on Sunday. At some stage, management and co. board have to take responsibility for this. It will be easy now for other teams to target Armagh given this developing reputation.
4. Goalkeeper - On one score, I am somewhat pleased for McGeeney - the success of the Rafferty experiment. The GK position was an issue throughout his tenure and it feels like he has went full circle following the massive (and unfair) criticism he took for starting Paul Courtney in nets in 2016. He stuck to his principles and found someone to do the job the way he wanted.
5. The Future - The manner of the defeat at the weekend sets them up well going into a new season - not unlike the defeats between 1999-2001, when they weren't that far away. We will watch how Galway get on with interest. Kind of agree with you about McGeeney, but unlike the 2 Brians period, there isn't an obvious successor. We have a lot of talent at our disposal, but some of our vital cogs (Campbell (31), Grugan(31), Morgan(31), Forker (30) Shields (33)) are getting on. Given the lack of underage success and injuries, who knows if they will be replaced with players of equal quality? Will Campbell be able to have another year like this one? I therefore see Armagh having a short window of about 2 years to achieve any kind of success. Co. Board facing a very difficult decision about McGeeney's future and my instinct is that he will be given another year. Honestly have no idea whether or not that is the right thing to do.
5. As a supporter, bringing young kids to the game, (melees excepted) it's been a memorable year. Brings back memories of 1993 when we took Tyrone's scalp, had a famous, chaotic comeback and had serious building support. While there was no silverware, and that is the ultimate benchmark, it is great to see us playing really attractive football in the top Division and competing at the top level. It remains to be seen whether we can push on, but I'd say there are many supporters from across Ireland that would take the season that Armagh just had. [EDIT] At the end of the day, I go to football matches to be entertained. It is some time since I got the entertainment value that I got in Dublin on Sunday.
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2022, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
He seems to have been a very positive influence this year
other than telling the team to concede the last Galway kick out I agree. Very positive
I can see both sides of that last kickout. Press and ye have a chance of winning possession and the game is effectively over.
But if Gleeson goes long and ye don't win it - ye have less cover at the back and Galway have more room to manufacture an equaliser.
McDaid's equaliser was a brilliant score kicked under severe pressure.
Was chatting to couple of Galway mates last night about this. That shot from McDaid was probably a 1 in 5 chance. Some balls to go for it.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
The social media pile on this one isn't arbitrary. It was the highest attended match of the year, broadcast live across the country. The perpetrator had no reason to be on the pitch, no reason to be touching distance of an opposing player. And then he delivered a truly filthy act, one with such potential for lifelong repercussions that it cannot be condoned by anyone.
As I say, not arbitrary. Not for this one.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/kieran-donaghy-opens-up-on-how-close-he-was-to-eye-injury-after-philly-mcmahon-incident-45201
Did this not happen in an AIF?
Social media pile-ons are always arbitrary Wobbler. They are completely uncontrolled and take on a life of their own and by the time the GAA get round to administering justice, the mob will have got their pound of flesh (whatever a pound of flesh may look like - arbitrary??). The online mob is a fairly vindictive bunch.
Not every perpetrator of this offence suffers the same. The same thing could happen in the semi-final, under slightly different circumstance and the mob mightn't mobilise at all.
It's modern life. Somebody messes up and the social media mob pile on in. Every Tom Dick and Harriet want their say. There's people who've never been to a football match calling for a life ban ffs.
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2022, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 28, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.
Getting lads back from injury- probably down 4 or 5 starters the other day- Oisin O'Neill (brother of Rian and similar quality), TK, Niall Grimley, Paddy Burns and Ciaran Mackin who came on wearing protective gear on Sunday. Although the 2 young lads who got game time Sunday did really well as well.
Donaghy is some addition on the line as well so keeping him would be massive
He seems to have been a very positive influence this year
other than telling the team to concede the last Galway kick out I agree. Very positive
I can see both sides of that last kickout. Press and ye have a chance of winning possession and the game is effectively over.
But if Gleeson goes long and ye don't win it - ye have less cover at the back and Galway have more room to manufacture an equaliser.
McDaid's equaliser was a brilliant score kicked under severe pressure.
a stunning score. i was stuck between heart break and admiration haha
it wasnt even a defensive move either from him
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
the entering the field of play part. Will everyone who isn't part of the squad who entered the field of play get a punishment or just him? Rightly or wrongly he was with the team on Sunday and had to cross the field to get to the changing room. Does that count as entering the field of play?
I was a manager of our senior team at Croke park, the days leading up to our final were filled with information that we had to adhere to otherwise there would be fines all round.... You would not believe the shit they are looking to do you for, most teams will take the fines and have all their 'players' available for the experience, I tried to stick to the rules rather than having the fines for the club, so naming a squad and having them only at the sub area was difficult, but as we'd two appearances at Croke that year I felt that we'd try our best.
As for crossing the pitch, as he wasn't named on the squad he shouldn't have been on the pitch or in the changing rooms anyways. Anyone that enters the pitch illegally and is reported by the referee is against the rules, end of and their is punishment for that, In games I've asked non players to leave the pitch, if they don't they are reported and the club and player will have to answer to CCC for their actions.
The county sec will take the blame for this, the buck stops with them in relation to adhering to Croke park protocols
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 28, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Completely agree bar the afterburners. First half of extra time he gets the ball under the Cusack, burns Morgan on the outside and is pulled, and kicks the free from near the sideline. Won and kicked a free in similar circumstances when Galway were struggling in the first half. Considering he won the frees, how are they not as good as scores from play (he kicked a gorgeous one of those incidentally).
Considering how many late hits he shipped and the fact that every time he went on a run he had two lads converging on him, I thought he really stood up. The second goal came because he drew 3 players before shipping it off. Some near neighbors who've been defending Cillian o'Connors 3 all ireland finals scoreless from play for years seem to be taking delight in saying he went missing when its utter nonsense, he was trying to take too much responsibility if anything, aiding to that braindead moment at the end of normal time. Luckily he made up for it in ET and penalties
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Preach, the lack of quality coverage even from outlets such as OTB who should be looking for minutes to fill with in depth analysis is stark. They know about the teams that are there every year in finals, i.e. Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone. Outside of that they haven't a clue, it's cliché city.
Particularly when you go to Division Two games all Spring and see how those second tier Division teams are then talked about for championship previews it's plain to see that they have not watched any video on those teams and have not done even cursory research. It's far worse for the lower Division teams of course.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
I think for this season he should get what others have received as this is not even the first instance of this in 2023. Another complete tr**p in McKinless is lining out and playing well for Derry all summer, he clearly eye gouged Sean Kelly in the league game, he missed one match from it.
The GAA should say that Tiernan Kelly is getting a one match ban (with perhaps some additional games because he wasn't part of the 26 and that makes it worse in that he shouldn't have been on the pitch at all) as per precedence and then move on from it, unlike McKinless who did it in a league game, Kelly did this in a high profile televised match and his reputation is already in the dirt from his - disgraceful - actions.
More importantly, they should outline how the current rulebook and disciplinary system is going to be overhauled. This should be done to ensure that egregious and dangerous incidents like gouging are going to result in one year bans from all GAA competition for the perpetrators. Disappointing to see the likes of Owen Mulligan making false equivalences online as if losing a tooth from a blow and losing an eye from a gouge are the same thing, eye gouging is the action of a sc**bag, plain and simple. We should be able to agree that in heated moments most have had the inclination to violently shove or even hit someone, anyone who says that eye gouging is the natural first reaction in one of these melees and somehow comparable to a thump, is wrong in my opinion.
If they want to get serious about the melees at inter county level and the farcical appeals process for lads who have clearly done something wrong, now is the time to do it but do not target Tiernan Kelly in some manner that is not in line with what you have done previously about these things.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
3. The row - This suited Galway and was the last thing we needed going in after recovering from a 6 point deficit. Galway should have been going in deflated, but instead I'll bet they were pumped by the time the fighting was over. We have a tendancy to get involved in these pointless rows even though they are not in our interest. The one in Donegal in the NFL was completely stupid given the Championship match around the corner. Same on Sunday. At some stage, management and co. board have to take responsibility for this. It will be easy now for other teams to target Armagh given this developing reputation.
100% this. Think I even read a comment from a Galway player after the game stating that they felt the row helped them regain a bit of focus.
Armagh didn't benefit from participating in any row this year. That has to be recognised by the group going forward.
There's a time for standing your ground and making a point, and there's a time to let it go and focus the bigger prize. This group have still to learn the difference.
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
5. The Future - The manner of the defeat at the weekend sets them up well going into a new season - not unlike the defeats between 1999-2001, when they weren't that far away. We will watch how Galway get on with interest. Kind of agree with you about McGeeney, but unlike the 2 Brians period, there isn't an obvious successor. We have a lot of talent at our disposal, but some of our vital cogs (Campbell (31), Grugan(31), Morgan(31), Forker (30) Shields (33)) are getting on. Given the lack of underage success and injuries, who knows if they will be replaced with players of equal quality? Will Campbell be able to have another year like this one? I therefore see Armagh having a short window of about 2 years to achieve any kind of success. Co. Board facing a very difficult decision about McGeeney's future and my instinct is that he will be given another year. Honestly have no idea whether or not that is the right thing to do.
Also agree with much of this, especially the bit in bold. There's a cohort there in their early thirties who have maybe a couple of years left in them. After they go there is a natural break, and probably a natural point at which to transition to a different management team.
If McGeeney was to be given the road, the time to do it was two years ago. Someone else might then have had the benefit of the twilight years of some of Armagh's current best players.
There seems to me to be little point changing it up just when things have just begun to rumble in the right direction. Especially with no clear and obvious successor.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 28, 2022, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 28, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Completely agree bar the afterburners. First half of extra time he gets the ball under the Cusack, burns Morgan on the outside and is pulled, and kicks the free from near the sideline. Won and kicked a free in similar circumstances when Galway were struggling in the first half. Considering he won the frees, how are they not as good as scores from play (he kicked a gorgeous one of those incidentally).
Considering how many late hits he shipped and the fact that every time he went on a run he had two lads converging on him, I thought he really stood up. The second goal came because he drew 3 players before shipping it off. Some near neighbors who've been defending Cillian o'Connors 3 all ireland finals scoreless from play for years seem to be taking delight in saying he went missing when its utter nonsense, he was trying to take too much responsibility if anything, aiding to that braindead moment at the end of normal time. Luckily he made up for it in ET and penalties
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Preach, the lack of quality coverage even from outlets such as OTB who should be looking for minutes to fill with in depth analysis is stark. They know about the teams that are there every year in finals, i.e. Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone. Outside of that they haven't a clue, it's cliché city.
Particularly when you go to Division Two games all Spring and see how those second tier Division teams are then talked about for championship previews it's plain to see that they have not watched any video on those teams and have not done even cursory research. It's far worse for the lower Division teams of course.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
I think for this season he should get what others have received as this is not even the first instance of this in 2023. Another complete tr**p in McKinless is lining out and playing well for Derry all summer, he clearly eye gouged Sean Kelly in the league game, he missed one match from it.
The GAA should say that Tiernan Kelly is getting a one match ban (with perhaps some additional games because he wasn't part of the 26 and that makes it worse in that he shouldn't have been on the pitch at all) as per precedence and then move on from it, unlike McKinless who did it in a league game, Kelly did this in a high profile televised match and his reputation is already in the dirt from his - disgraceful - actions.
More importantly, they should outline how the current rulebook and disciplinary system is going to be overhauled. This should be done to ensure that egregious and dangerous incidents like gouging are going to result in one year bans from all GAA competition for the perpetrators. Disappointing to see the likes of Owen Mulligan making false equivalences online as if losing a tooth from a blow and losing an eye from a gouge are the same thing, eye gouging is the action of a sc**bag, plain and simple. We should be able to agree that in heated moments most have had the inclination to violently shove or even hit someone, anyone who says that eye gouging is the natural first reaction in one of these melees and somehow comparable to a thump, is wrong in my opinion.
If they want to get serious about the melees at inter county level and the farcical appeals process for lads who have clearly done something wrong, now is the time to do it but do not target Tiernan Kelly in some manner that is not in line with what you have done previously about these things.
I think this is a very fair assessment.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 28, 2022, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 28, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Completely agree bar the afterburners. First half of extra time he gets the ball under the Cusack, burns Morgan on the outside and is pulled, and kicks the free from near the sideline. Won and kicked a free in similar circumstances when Galway were struggling in the first half. Considering he won the frees, how are they not as good as scores from play (he kicked a gorgeous one of those incidentally).
Considering how many late hits he shipped and the fact that every time he went on a run he had two lads converging on him, I thought he really stood up. The second goal came because he drew 3 players before shipping it off. Some near neighbors who've been defending Cillian o'Connors 3 all ireland finals scoreless from play for years seem to be taking delight in saying he went missing when its utter nonsense, he was trying to take too much responsibility if anything, aiding to that braindead moment at the end of normal time. Luckily he made up for it in ET and penalties
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Preach, the lack of quality coverage even from outlets such as OTB who should be looking for minutes to fill with in depth analysis is stark. They know about the teams that are there every year in finals, i.e. Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone. Outside of that they haven't a clue, it's cliché city.
Particularly when you go to Division Two games all Spring and see how those second tier Division teams are then talked about for championship previews it's plain to see that they have not watched any video on those teams and have not done even cursory research. It's far worse for the lower Division teams of course.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
I'm not denying it will be difficult, such is trial by social media nowadays...
His actions though will hopefully be acted on (gouging and entering field of play) and maybe discourage it going forward, I'll certainly be explaining to the captains on Wed night that if there is one melee the first ones in will not be getting "ah come on lads" attitude
We can't continue to have these all in type situations, I've had 4 games at football where this has happened this year, people getting worked up and taking things personal, the ball should be your only focus, we'll end up with a sanitised game to reduce the amount of flare ups we have. Now that would be shit viewing also.
I've only asked he get's what everyone else has received in the past, nothing more. Anything more would be unfair.
I think for this season he should get what others have received as this is not even the first instance of this in 2023. Another complete tr**p in McKinless is lining out and playing well for Derry all summer, he clearly eye gouged Sean Kelly in the league game, he missed one match from it.
The GAA should say that Tiernan Kelly is getting a one match ban (with perhaps some additional games because he wasn't part of the 26 and that makes it worse in that he shouldn't have been on the pitch at all) as per precedence and then move on from it, unlike McKinless who did it in a league game, Kelly did this in a high profile televised match and his reputation is already in the dirt from his - disgraceful - actions.
More importantly, they should outline how the current rulebook and disciplinary system is going to be overhauled. This should be done to ensure that egregious and dangerous incidents like gouging are going to result in one year bans from all GAA competition for the perpetrators. Disappointing to see the likes of Owen Mulligan making false equivalences online as if losing a tooth from a blow and losing an eye from a gouge are the same thing, eye gouging is the action of a sc**bag, plain and simple. We should be able to agree that in heated moments most have had the inclination to violently shove or even hit someone, anyone who says that eye gouging is the natural first reaction in one of these melees and somehow comparable to a thump, is wrong in my opinion.
If they want to get serious about the melees at inter county level and the farcical appeals process for lads who have clearly done something wrong, now is the time to do it but do not target Tiernan Kelly in some manner that is not in line with what you have done previously about these things.
I remember watching the McKinless incident on the highlights so there is a clear precedence with both McMahon and McKinless and I'm sure there are others. One match ban plus an additional ban for encroachment. However if they include the encroachment then there could be a dozen or so other players hauled in as well if they are consistent. They simply can't give him additional punishment just because it is a high profile fixture and there is a social media outcry if its not in the rulebook. It's not a ban that is proportionate to the offence but until they change the rulebook then they just can't add on matches based on a media reaction.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Exactly. I find it amusing how little people outside the county know or rate this team. Anyone from Galway who has a good knowledge of the scene would know that, after the disappointment of last year, how well the team has been moving this year. The league form was a good hint. Bit by bit, the pieces (players) have fallen into place and started to show good form. Galway haven't arrived over night. This team and panel have been building for quite a while now.
If Galway can tighten up a bit more at the back and manage out the game a bit better they're going to be a major threat for anyone.
Quote from: mouview on June 28, 2022, 05:29:02 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
Exactly. I find it amusing how little people outside the county know or rate this team. Anyone from Galway who has a good knowledge of the scene would know that, after the disappointment of last year, how well the team has been moving this year. The league form was a good hint. Bit by bit, the pieces (players) have fallen into place and started to show good form. Galway haven't arrived over night. This team and panel have been building for quite a while now.
What was very encouraging on Sunday was the performances of McDaid, Finnerty and Tierney. McDaid may be the new Michael Coleman
https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1541823194797166595?s=20&t=Si7nNv2BfGtz5D2Pp8x37g
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2022, 05:49:03 PM
https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1541823194797166595?s=20&t=Si7nNv2BfGtz5D2Pp8x37g
Load of shite.
However at least the lad has apparently approached Galway to apologise and has accepted he was wrong. Oisin McConville on 2nd captains rightly said Armagh GAA should get ahead of the issue and punish the player. That would require real leadership from McGeeney and the County Board.
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2022, 05:49:03 PM
https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1541823194797166595?s=20&t=Si7nNv2BfGtz5D2Pp8x37g
Very fair statement from Clann Eireann .
Quote from: Itchy on June 28, 2022, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2022, 05:49:03 PM
https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1541823194797166595?s=20&t=Si7nNv2BfGtz5D2Pp8x37g
Load of shite.
However at least the lad has apparently approached Galway to apologise and has accepted he was wrong. Oisin McConville on 2nd captains rightly said Armagh GAA should get ahead of the issue and punish the player. That would require real leadership from McGeeney and the County Board.
What exactly is shite about it?
Well at this stage this thread has been exhausted, and the absolutely appalling statements being made on this Forum and on other media outlets are a disgrace. A 22 year old boy makes a mistake and people are almost calling for him to be hanged! A relative of TK works with me, and there is no better a young lad helping keep younger children out of trouble in his area, working hard training and from really good decent family. He is devastated as are his family and friends along with his club and i sincerely hope that he gets past this and gets the support he needs......it is up to the GAA to decide on this NOT Trial by social media! He done wrong and knows he done wrong ......we all make mistakes ......and it is great for all the keyboard warriors, Policitians, Sports Analysts who weren't even at the match to make all the comments of the day, 1 in particular from a well known barrister who can't wait to represent people who a do lot more wrong than this and if it came to making money would defend this boy in a flash!! As an Armagh Supporter who supports them in the depths of Winter to the great day we all had on Sunday.....what a magnificent display from both Teams, and special credit to Rian, what a player!. I sincerely hope a conclusion is brought to this quickly so we can all move on. (The Handbags incident which led to this happened in front of us, and everyone could see that Comer was the instigator, closely followed by Morgan.....those 2 should have been sent off for extra time, but Good Luck to Galway in the next match as we enjoyed the craic with the Corofin crew next to us at the match!) Hopefully Rian gets his All Star !
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
Thread close to being locked.
There will be no further discussion on mental health issues on this thread.
Removed a few posts that were very ill-advised to say the least.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on June 28, 2022, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: APM on June 28, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
3. The row - This suited Galway and was the last thing we needed going in after recovering from a 6 point deficit. Galway should have been going in deflated, but instead I'll bet they were pumped by the time the fighting was over. We have a tendancy to get involved in these pointless rows even though they are not in our interest. The one in Donegal in the NFL was completely stupid given the Championship match around the corner. Same on Sunday. At some stage, management and co. board have to take responsibility for this. It will be easy now for other teams to target Armagh given this developing reputation.
100% this. Think I even read a comment from a Galway player after the game stating that they felt the row helped them regain a bit of focus.
Armagh didn't benefit from participating in any row this year. That has to be recognised by the group going forward.
There's a time for standing your ground and making a point, and there's a time to let it go and focus the bigger prize. This group have still to learn the difference.
Well said. In fairness this is the first year that the group has made it this far. The team that won Sam also needed a few iterations. If Armagh can find few new players and benefit from the advantages that some more discipline would bring, they should be in contention over the next few years.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEsport/status/1541852576190267392
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/8663226.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/8663226.stm)
Only took a second.
Edit by Mod5, leaving link in place.
TK will get a suitable ban and will be the first to admit he deserves it. Thankfully no serious damage was done to Damien Comer, and it's good to hear TK has reached out to the Galway camp.
I agree with the comments from Galway folk above ref. how the melee started ... it was no more that 15 yards in front of me in the lower Cusack .... a shoulder in the back of Comer and the handbags commence. I could see it coming as could anyone else in the stadium I reckon, tensions were palpable and there was even some minor jostling behind me between some rival supporters however they quickly caught themselves on. (This was in response to a Galway man's efforts to sing the Fields of Athenrye after each Galway score, and he eventually reached a crescendo when they went 6 up and he proceeded to goad Armagh supporters around him, it was very funny when the game drew level :-) ) In hindsight, Galway will probably be grateful that the row did occur, as it changed the whole mood from one of collapse to one of let's go again for Galway.
I watched in dismay as the melee unfolded as I knew right away that this was not to Armagh's benefit. We'd just come back from the dead topped off by Rian's wonder point, we should have been first into the changing rooms to get the heads settled and ready to push on to victory ... instead Armagh handed the psychological initiative to Galway who came out the stronger in extra time.
Galway were the best team on the day and fully deserved the win, Armagh didn't quite reach the intensity of the previous two outings. Sort out the issues between goalkeeper and fullback line and Galway will be a match for anyone. I wish them all the best in their quest for Sam.
As for Armagh, they will go again and will be around the business end of the championship in 2023. It's no accident that Armagh have been involved in the best games in 2021 and 2022. And the Armagh supporters matched their team's efforts. Hopefully Rian O'Neill is a 2022 All Star.
From the Irish Examiner
GAA officials to seriously consider cutting back the privileges of extended panel members.
That may mean restricting them from accessing the dressing-rooms on the day, being able to sit among the substitutes, or even insisting on a smaller number of people attached to the matchday squad and management, in time for the 2023 season.
The early indications for what could transpire this week include Galway captain Seán Kelly being cleared of his red card and thereby able to face Derry in the All-Ireland semi-final on July 9.
Armagh joint-captain Aidan Nugent also received a red card that could rule him out of the first game at inter-county level in 2023, but it is believed he has a solid case for overturning that suspension.
Video evidence however is expected to land Tiernan Kelly and one other Armagh player with a suspension, along with a Galway substitute.
What length of suspension and the extent of the punishment depends on the type of charge brought.
If it is one of 'discrediting the association', it is difficult to make the charge stand, but can carry as much as a 48-week ban.
That Kelly was a non-playing member puts a certain amount of pressure on those dealing with it to hand down a severe sanction.
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
People,
Don't quote controversial posts, as your contribution will be deleted with it.
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
That annoyed me at the time too. Even more so now. I don't understand why we didn't push up
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
Fair point, Armagh went conservative and paid the price
Overall Galway the better side after the sending off
But small mistakes/ decisions win games
My view armagh should have been brave on the kickout
Off a day, and the whole thread gone Pete Tong.
Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
I think you are close enough to what started it although I wouldn't quite say everyone started to pile as it doesn't take into account that they were going that way anyway to get to the changing rooms.
I have an idea who the second Armagh player that could be in bother is. Given what else went on I think that would be seen in this part of the world as the GAA pandering to the media.
Fantastic game, it had everything and everyone fixated on TV.
It was historic, that's something to be proud off.
There was great skill on display. The crowd loved it. Loads of excitement and a constantly changing narrative.
2 new teams after the Dub hegemony. The colour. The noise. A replay would have been super.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 28, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
Walsh is getting a fair bit of stick for that pass and rightly so but thought he played well without doing anything spectacular, nailed all the frees he should and scored one from a really difficult angle with his left that very few would make. He attracted a lot of attention and used that well at time by just keeping out of the way which created space for others which can be seen with McDaids goal when nobody tracking Mannion. He was definitely not right at that challenge in the first half, he didn't turn on the after burners all afternoon and was visibly hobbling on a few occasions.
Comer very good again although should have passed when he went for goal but suppose can understand given his record when given that opportunity. After the Mayo game all the talk was if you could stop Conroy, Comer & Walsh you'd beat Galway easily, doesn't look the case now.
Completely agree bar the afterburners. First half of extra time he gets the ball under the Cusack, burns Morgan on the outside and is pulled, and kicks the free from near the sideline. Won and kicked a free in similar circumstances when Galway were struggling in the first half. Considering he won the frees, how are they not as good as scores from play (he kicked a gorgeous one of those incidentally).
Considering how many late hits he shipped and the fact that every time he went on a run he had two lads converging on him, I thought he really stood up. The second goal came because he drew 3 players before shipping it off. Some near neighbors who've been defending Cillian o'Connors 3 all ireland finals scoreless from play for years seem to be taking delight in saying he went missing when its utter nonsense, he was trying to take too much responsibility if anything, aiding to that braindead moment at the end of normal time. Luckily he made up for it in ET and penalties
The point around Galway having 3 players and noone else mere weeks ago was hilarious. Before the Roscommon game it was all about Roscommon having 6 scoring forwards and Galway relying on 2. One of those forwards couldn't make his sigerson team while Finnerty and Tierney were two of the best players in the entire competition. Recency bias in GAA circles and media knows no bounds. McDaid and Finnerty will be the dangermen to watch for the next game despite most media having no idea who they were 4 weeks ago
You're obsessed with Mayo, lad. I don't know if its from people you know outside of here that love winding you up, but it seems to be working. Haven't seen much negativity in this thread at all.
Anyways, enjoy the win and the build up to an AISF
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2022, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
Is there any chance the 2 reds were issued to the 'first men in to contribute to a melee' - Forker & Kelly - but the officals boobooed bigtime & messed up orange 13 and 3?? Stranger things have happend but we'll never hear the truth as there is no way they could admit that. The idea being put out chiefly by RTE that it was decided to make captains the 'sacrificial lambs' has to be pure nonsense especally given that O'Neill was captain. ( unless that is another GAA rule i don't know about)
Comer has to be first & probably only Galway name on a list of instigators... but I'd hope & expect the GAA have sense, and neither he or Kelly miss the semi.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2022, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
I don't think bringing Hughes on would have made any difference. All of Galway's penalties were confidently struck and I actually thought Rafferty made a fair attempt at most of them. Hughes wasn't gonna be saving any of them I don't think.
Quote from: tintin25 on June 29, 2022, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2022, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
I don't think bringing Hughes on would have made any difference. All of Galway's penalties were confidently struck and I actually thought Rafferty made a fair attempt at most of them. Hughes wasn't gonna be saving any of them I don't think.
We'll never know.
Penalties are a lottery.
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
Ah, you could pick at any number of individual events of that game, that could've changed the outcome, aside from the ones that you have mentioned:
Any of the 3 brainfarts from the Galway keeper.
Nugent stealing many yards from a mark
Campbell hooking the arm in for the last free
Rian stealing a few yards towards goal on the last free
Grogan missing an important free – decent distance out, but in front of the goals - thought it would've favoured O'Neill
Jarly Og could've driven on for goal, but hesitated and the chance was gone.
Quote from: Dabh on June 29, 2022, 09:18:42 AM
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
Is there any chance the 2 reds were issued to the 'first men in to contribute to a melee' - Forker & Kelly - but the officals boobooed bigtime & messed up orange 13 and 3?? Stranger things have happend but we'll never hear the truth as there is no way they could admit that. The idea being put out chiefly by RTE that it was decided to make captains the 'sacrificial lambs' has to be pure nonsense especally given that O'Neill was captain. ( unless that is another GAA rule i don't know about)
Comer has to be first & probably only Galway name on a list of instigators... but I'd hope & expect the GAA have sense, and neither he or Kelly miss the semi.
That's possible. O'Neill and Nugent joint captains but was Nugent in the photos at start of match shaking hands with ref so that's why he was sent off as captain rather than O'Neill
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2022, 12:34:32 AM
Fantastic game, it had everything and everyone fixated on TV.
It was historic, that's something to be proud off.
Was it not a pretty poor first 35 mins?
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Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
I don't think bringing Hughes on would have made any difference. All of Galway's penalties were confidently struck and I actually thought Rafferty made a fair attempt at most of them. Hughes wasn't gonna be saving any of them I don't think.
We'll never know.
Penalties are a lottery.
Had Armagh done much penalty practice?
Quote from: Estimator on June 29, 2022, 09:27:40 AM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
Ah, you could pick at any number of individual events of that game, that could've changed the outcome, aside from the ones that you have mentioned:
Any of the 3 brainfarts from the Galway keeper.
Nugent stealing many yards from a mark
Campbell hooking the arm in for the last free
Rian stealing a few yards towards goal on the last free
Grogan missing an important free – decent distance out, but in front of the goals - thought it would've favoured O'Neill
Jarly Og could've driven on for goal, but hesitated and the chance was gone.
Nugent stole nearly 10 metres, most players are at it but this was the most blatant I've seen. Rian O'Neill got away with 2 bounces in the lead up to Campbell's point halfway through the 2nd half and Murnin took a dive for Armagh's last point of the first half, falling to the ground before Molloy got near him.
Morgan clearly should been booked early in the first half for his challenge on Shane Walsh which would have certainly toned down his efforts on Walsh throughout the game.
Hope this is the start of something for Armagh, championship needs new teams challenging and Armagh have certainly brightened up the championship with their style of play and huge support.
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 09:54:50 AM
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Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
I don't think bringing Hughes on would have made any difference. All of Galway's penalties were confidently struck and I actually thought Rafferty made a fair attempt at most of them. Hughes wasn't gonna be saving any of them I don't think.
We'll never know.
Penalties are a lottery.
Had Armagh done much penalty practice?
I think McGeeney said they had been. Soupy would have played soccer at a fairly decent level in Lurgan too and you'd have backed him all day to hit that.
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Quote from: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
Let's get back to the game
Galway's first goal a definite throw ball
And the second free kick against Mackin a clear pull down from comet
Some mistakes through out game which seem to be lost in the furore
Some game though
Still
Think hall should have gone for goal
It's a scenario where most go for a point, but a goal was certainly on. Why did Armagh choose to give up the kick out after the point? There was a stoppage and Armagh flooded back when they could have pressed and forced a contest for possession (hard not to think of the "game management" by Dublin against Mayo years ago when Clarke ended up hitting out over the line.) I thought that was a time to show courage. When McDaid scored Galway followed up with a press and actually won the resultant kick out.
It's one of those ones where it's easy to be wise in hindsight. Hall could have went for goal which probably would have won the match but I think given the circumstances he probably took the right option. At that stage after 100+ minutes, minds and bodies are exhausted so the default mode is to protect what you have. Maybe in hindsight they could have pressed up but there is no guarantee that Galway wouldn't have equalised had we done so either. It was a big score from McDaid given the circumstances. After he scored I felt that was the time to get an actual shot stopper on the pitch and take Hughes on for Rafferty for penalties. Easy to be wise in hindsight but it's clear from watching Rafferty in matches that he is not a trained shot stopper.
I don't think bringing Hughes on would have made any difference. All of Galway's penalties were confidently struck and I actually thought Rafferty made a fair attempt at most of them. Hughes wasn't gonna be saving any of them I don't think.
We'll never know.
Penalties are a lottery.
Had Armagh done much penalty practice?
I think McGeeney said they had been. Soupy would have played soccer at a fairly decent level in Lurgan too and you'd have backed him all day to hit that.
Bigger nets in soccer though. If he hit a penalty like that for Lurgan it would have been top bins ;)
How many penalties have Armagh missed in the last few years. I would be surprised if we score any more than half the penalties we win.
From a quick search:
Rian O'Neill, Monaghan, 2022 NFL
Stefan Campbell missing v Tyrone, 2021 NFL
Jamie Clarke, Monaghan 2014, Louth 2015
Rory Grugan, Roscommon Qualifiers, 2018
Quote from: APM on June 29, 2022, 11:35:52 AM
How many penalties have Armagh missed in the last few years. I would be surprised if we score any more than half the penalties we win.
From a quick search:
Rian O'Neill, Monaghan, 2022 NFL
Stefan Campbell missing v Tyrone, 2021 NFL
Jamie Clarke, Monaghan 2014, Louth 2015
Rory Grugan, Roscommon Qualifiers, 2018
That one was in ;)
Quote from: balladmaker on June 28, 2022, 10:19:07 PM
TK will get a suitable ban and will be the first to admit he deserves it. Thankfully no serious damage was done to Damien Comer, and it's good to hear TK has reached out to the Galway camp.
I agree with the comments from Galway folk above ref. how the melee started ... it was no more that 15 yards in front of me in the lower Cusack .... a shoulder in the back of Comer and the handbags commence. I could see it coming as could anyone else in the stadium I reckon, tensions were palpable and there was even some minor jostling behind me between some rival supporters however they quickly caught themselves on. (This was in response to a Galway man's efforts to sing the Fields of Athenrye after each Galway score, and he eventually reached a crescendo when they went 6 up and he proceeded to goad Armagh supporters around him, it was very funny when the game drew level :-) ) In hindsight, Galway will probably be grateful that the row did occur, as it changed the whole mood from one of collapse to one of let's go again for Galway.
I watched in dismay as the melee unfolded as I knew right away that this was not to Armagh's benefit. We'd just come back from the dead topped off by Rian's wonder point, we should have been first into the changing rooms to get the heads settled and ready to push on to victory ... instead Armagh handed the psychological initiative to Galway who came out the stronger in extra time.
I'd imagine that Galway fan felt very like me, sheer embarrassments at the collapse (at least I hadn't started singing!). I couldn't shake it off or enjoy the game whatsoever until we went two down and McDaid's goal dragged us back into it, at least then I knew we hadn't lay down.
I completely agree on the malee, I think it refocused Galway and McDaid said as much in his motm interview after the game. It wouldve been a very hard job to get the players up regularly after that finish. I did think Galway seemed a bit more sprightly in extra time however so possibly they just had more energy left
It was an amazing occasion, made by your fans and in my state of shock I still looked at Rian's point, knowing it was going to go over but also expecting that we'd see a moment of utter greatness. Was never missing for a second
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
Regardless of who started it- 2 hardy hardy men who were never going to shy away- was very very little in it bar one incident- even the likes of Cavanagh said there was nothing wrong with a bit of pushing and shoving and slabbering at each other and is to be expected at that stage.
I said this a few times earlier in the thread and was told I was wrong.
When the whistle went Armagh #2 had his arms in the air - rightly delighted they had got a draw.
He then ran into the back of Comer and cheered/roared in his face - it all started from there.
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2022, 12:34:32 AM
Fantastic game, it had everything and everyone fixated on TV.
It was historic, that's something to be proud off.
Was it not a pretty poor first 35 mins?
I think the first 35 mins was average enough alright to be fair.
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
Off course it occured to me that the cameras missed something, which why i led by stating i wasn't at the game. But nowhere (that i saw) did anyone mention the gap between Morgans shoulder and Comers and no one mentioned Comer running after Morgan to remonstrate. The images and what i was reading didn't match. Had that been included i wouldn't have questioned it, now it all makes sense.
And as for whether or not he should have taken it - no way - noone would have expected him too.
McDaid's goal was very well put together. Mannion the sub delivered the perfect pass and McDaid's run could not have been better.
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McDaid's goal was very well put together. Mannion the sub delivered the perfect pass and McDaid's run could not have been better.
Very true.
From the camera on the hill, his movement is excellent. Moved about a bit, while watching the ball and then made the sprint to support.
In fairness, it was a tidy pass to him. Can't remember (Mannion)who passed it to him but they could have shot a point or went for a goal themselves but popped a nice pass off to Mc Daid.
He finished it well - didn't have much time. The Armagh defender sort of blinded the keeper as he stood in front of him. Simple finish all the same.
A big play from Mc Daid. His point was unreal at the death also. Could have went anywhere.
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
McDaid's goal was very well put together. Mannion the sub delivered the perfect pass and McDaid's run could not have been better.
Had Mannion even played FBD before Sunday? I can't recall him ever playing a minute for Galway, I think he was only called in after the M/M county run last year. Either way unbelievable composure after getting himself into the correct position, would have been easy to kick or fist over the point score and bring it back to one point match, he saw that the goal was on and executed it through.
Looking at the confidence of the M/M and Moycullen lads lately in the Galway jersey – and you'd have to whisper this quietly around Belclare alright – Corofin's stranglehold on the county title coming to an end was no harm at all for the Galway Senior team.
To be fair to O Laoi, I thought he played really well when he was on the pitch as well, a lad who has been maligned as limited by many (I'm including myself in that) but he really showed up when the county needed him against Armagh, fair play to him.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
McDaid's goal was very well put together. Mannion the sub delivered the perfect pass and McDaid's run could not have been better.
Had Mannion even played FBD before Sunday? I can't recall him ever playing a minute for Galway, I think he was only called in after the M/M county run last year. Either way unbelievable composure after getting himself into the correct position, would have been easy to kick or fist over the point score and bring it back to one point match, he saw that the goal was on and executed it through.
Looking at the confidence of the M/M and Moycullen lads lately in the Galway jersey – and you'd have to whisper this quietly around Belclare alright – Corofin's stranglehold on the county title coming to an end was no harm at all for the Galway Senior team.
To be fair to O Laoi, I thought he played really well when he was on the pitch as well, a lad who has been maligned as limited by many (I'm including myself in that) but he really showed up when the county needed him against Armagh, fair play to him.
I don't think so. He was on the bench for a few of the league games this year and I was surprised he didn't get a few mins in any of them to get a taste of it(unless I missed it).
While I'm pretty sure he made panels I don't think he got any championship game time for the minors or u-20s in the past either.
Agreed on O Laoi he did very well. He has a tendency to bring the ball into contact and get turned over but no sign of that on Sunday and kicked a nice point to boot.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 29, 2022, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
McDaid's goal was very well put together. Mannion the sub delivered the perfect pass and McDaid's run could not have been better.
Had Mannion even played FBD before Sunday? I can't recall him ever playing a minute for Galway, I think he was only called in after the M/M county run last year. Either way unbelievable composure after getting himself into the correct position, would have been easy to kick or fist over the point score and bring it back to one point match, he saw that the goal was on and executed it through.
Looking at the confidence of the M/M and Moycullen lads lately in the Galway jersey – and you'd have to whisper this quietly around Belclare alright – Corofin's stranglehold on the county title coming to an end was no harm at all for the Galway Senior team.
To be fair to O Laoi, I thought he played really well when he was on the pitch as well, a lad who has been maligned as limited by many (I'm including myself in that) but he really showed up when the county needed him against Armagh, fair play to him.
Corofin achieved something special but for the county a spread of talent is better .
The amount of talent on the panel now is impressive.
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
Armagh have form , simple as. McGeeney a thug
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
I'd say both sides were as guilty as each other for starting the ruckus at full time which was totally harmless bar one incident.
Agree with you on Morgan and Walsh, again both at it same with Comer/Forker/Rafferty etc etc but nothing short of what you'd expect at that level with so much at stake-nothing wrong with it and I'm sure both men will have shaken hands after a great battle. I didn't see the start of their wrestling match during the game and haven't seen a clip of how it started but ones beside me said Walsh was lucky not to get a black card for taking Morgan to the ground.
He definitely held him down with Morgan trying to get free-trust me not an easy task to do to Morgan lol!
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
We definitely need to find some way to prevent threats like Morgan being illegally stopped by the likes of Walsh at various stages of a game, it's up to the referees and linesmen to do this and they have been found wanting.
I've seen Walsh get imbroiled time after time with opposition players who obviously are only trying to play the game in a fair and reasonable manner, Shane is clearly the common denominator here so it has to be him targeting the opposition corner backs for I suppose the politest way of calling it would be "treatment".
I hope the officials for the semi final grow a set of balls and stop this reign of targeted terror by Walsh against the marquee defenders we all pay the money for tickets to see. Certainly I think that these defenders have to accept that there are going to attempts to stop them by hook or by crook but its up to the officials to protect them, I sincerely hope this is sorted out for the semi final, we don't want to see Walsh getting away with his antics again.
Walsh could got a black card for that, but Morgan probably not lucky to see the line, blindsiding him before that.
Look we didn't see Rian O'Neill at this nonsense on the other side of the pitch for some reason. I'm sure Morgan accidentally ran into Walsh off the ball, more likely that Walsh somehow felt his presence even though he couldn't see him and deliberately tried to get him in bother with the officials by moving into his path, it's disgusting stuff.
Best to highlight Walsh's antics now before Chrissy McKaigue or god forbid a total innocent like McKinless are Shane's next targets for this off the ball stuff.
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Walsh could got a black card for that, but Morgan probably not lucky to see the line, blindsiding him before that.
Morgan was obviously holding Walsh and wrestled him tot he ground. Unfortunately for him Walsh was too strong and flipped him over and completely pinned him down. Morgan wasn't strong enough to do anything about it. If both had been given yellows for it Morgan would've been off an deservedly so.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2022, 09:39:38 PM
Armagh have form , simple as. McGeeney a thug
Good man
Grow up
Actually glad ciaran Mc Keever called out a faceless warrior on Twitter earlier today
Sometimes people need to be held to account for their comments
If it starts costing a few euros they may think twice
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2022, 10:02:33 PM
Walsh could got a black card for that, but Morgan probably not lucky to see the line, blindsiding him before that.
Didn't see what Walsh did to start that bit of wrestling on the ground but watch reply of Morgan going into the back of him- not a great view of it but seemed to be absolutely nothing in it, Walsh went down like he was shot.
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Armagh have form , simple as. McGeeney a thug
Good man
Grow up
Actually glad ciaran Mc Keever called out a faceless warrior on Twitter earlier today
Sometimes people need to be held to account for their comments
If it starts costing a few euros they may think twice
I don't at all agree with the treatment of the gouger on Twitter,away over the top but Armagh have a culture of scrapping this year and in the past . A lot of teams do
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Armagh have form , simple as. McGeeney a thug
Good man
Grow up
Actually glad ciaran Mc Keever called out a faceless warrior on Twitter earlier today
Sometimes people need to be held to account for their comments
If it starts costing a few euros they may think twice
I don't at all agree with the treatment of the gouger on Twitter,away over the top but Armagh have a culture of scrapping this year and in the past . A lot of teams do
Bit of pushing and shoving doesn't bother me in the slightest. If it had been Kerry playing Galway and the same thing happened (bar the gouge which I'm not defending) we wouldn't even be talking about it. How many times have Dublin and Mayo had scrapes over the years in the tunnel with nothing said.
Watched the whole thing back this evening. Still great entertainment, even knowing the outcome.
Few things I picked up:
The row was a whole pile of nothing outside of that incident. With hindsight it just seems even more crazy that Armagh engaged in the thing. It totally re-energised a shell-shocked Galway, and they subsequently began E/T much more brightly than Armagh.
Coldrick didn't have a great game. Missed a few fairly obvious things like double hops and throw balls. He was also conned a fair few times by boys going down very easily after (and sometimes before) contact, and by lads doing the old 'pulling the defender down on top of themselves' trick. None of this really seemed to benefit one side over the other, though. Sending off those particular two lad after the row was just bizarre. It's a shame that this will hang over Sean Kelly for a few days (until his inevitable clearance) when he should be able to get his head focussed on a semi-final.
The game in normal time was more even than I thought at the time. Armagh had a very good first 25 mins. Galway then had a slightly better next 25 mins, including nicking a crucial goal. But from about the 50th minute onward Armagh seemed to have stopped the rot. They held Galway scoreless for over 10 minutes, and were slowly eating away at their lead. It was set up to be a tight finish either way. But then the red card on 60 minutes changed the whole dynamic, and Galway made hay in the space vacated by McCabe. I think this wee 5 minute purple patch by Galway after the red card is what gave some (including myself) the impression that Galway were 5/6 points the better side. At 15 v 15 it was pretty even stuff, including through E/T.
Some poor enough misses from Armagh in normal time, especially at some key moments. Galway didn't leave many scores behind in regulation time, although they then hit their fair share of wides in E/T. Armagh also turned down pretty much every one of three or four half goal chances that came their way - perhaps they could have been more brave at times.
Galway have a great spread of talent in their front 8. It'll be very interesting to see how Derry cope with this. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Galway were to do a real number on them.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2022, 09:39:38 PM
Armagh have form , simple as. McGeeney a thug
Good man
Grow up
Actually glad ciaran Mc Keever called out a faceless warrior on Twitter earlier today
Sometimes people need to be held to account for their comments
If it starts costing a few euros they may think twice
I don't at all agree with the treatment of the gouger on Twitter,away over the top but Armagh have a culture of scrapping this year and in the past . A lot of teams do
Bit of pushing and shoving doesn't bother me in the slightest. If it had been Kerry playing Galway and the same thing happened (bar the gouge which I'm not defending) we wouldn't even be talking about it. How many times have Dublin and Mayo had scrapes over the years in the tunnel with nothing said.
I think the bad high profile ones are always talked about.
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
We definitely need to find some way to prevent threats like Morgan being illegally stopped by the likes of Walsh at various stages of a game, it's up to the referees and linesmen to do this and they have been found wanting.
I've seen Walsh get imbroiled time after time with opposition players who obviously are only trying to play the game in a fair and reasonable manner, Shane is clearly the common denominator here so it has to be him targeting the opposition corner backs for I suppose the politest way of calling it would be "treatment".
I hope the officials for the semi final grow a set of balls and stop this reign of targeted terror by Walsh against the marquee defenders we all pay the money for tickets to see. Certainly I think that these defenders have to accept that there are going to attempts to stop them by hook or by crook but its up to the officials to protect them, I sincerely hope this is sorted out for the semi final, we don't want to see Walsh getting away with his antics again.
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In the post match interview Kieran McGeeney posed a question back at a journalist what to you do when someone pushes you ? insinuating that the correct and normal thing to do is to push back, granted its an awful situation for Kieran to be in having to do a post match interview after losing a match, but its caveman stuff pushing someone back because they pushed you. If someone wants to start a fight with you, you do have the option of not engaging with the other person and getting drawn in to a fight. If Kieran matches the video of the melee he will see Tiernan Kelly pushing Sean Kelly who is the bigger man and doesn't push back.
Matching the melee again the way the Armagh subs came in so fast, and were double-teaming up against the Galway players in what seemed a very choreographed way.
The GAA really need to look at these melees.
Problems:
They are dangerous and somebody could get seriously hurt through weight of numbers or unseen digs/ gouging , MMA tactics etc.
They are extremely bad PR for GAA.
The current sanctions are not working
The 3rd man in rule is impossible to police fairly particularly in club games with only 1 official .
Kieran mcgeeney is right , It's human nature to push back when pushed, particularly in the heat of an attritional sport. It's also human nature to protect a teammate in a dangerous clutch or on the ground with someone battering his head. I haven't heard one person criticising the Galway man who punched Tiernan Kelly , was this an acceptable human reaction to perceived assault on a teammate?
Some players are now MMA trained or influenced, putting them at an advantage in a wrestling situation where they could inflict damage against an opponent not trained.
Armagh seem to be involved in a disproportionate number of these melees.
Solutions:
Accept human nature but penalise dangerous aggression. Encourage peacemaking (pulling back, calming words ) but heavily penalise aggressive intent whether a player is first or last into the melee inevitably it's the peacemakers who eventually bring these melees under control. If it became accepted practice to be seen to calm these situations down, they would be less likely to develop. I've seen this happen on several occasions , so it could work if a lone ref had the support of "influencers", from both sides-players and team mentors/officials .
Heavily sanction repeat offenders financially , if Armagh were handed a £10k fine every time they're involved in a melee, it might help them reflect on what is perceived as their melee ethos.
Seperate teams at interval. Eg teams go into changing rooms separately and stay to allocated area
Strict on numbers inside the wire , eg 5 , no subs. Heavily sanction those that cross the wire or cross to opposition area.
Those inside should include a discipline official for each side, whose job is to promote control of potential melees.
All above would help change the culture around melees, which are dangerous and seriously bad PR.
Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
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In the post match interview Kieran McGeeney posed a question back at a journalist what to you do when someone pushes you ? insinuating that the correct and normal thing to do is to push back, granted its an awful situation for Kieran to be in having to do a post match interview after losing a match, but its caveman stuff pushing someone back because they pushed you. If someone wants to start a fight with you, you do have the option of not engaging with the other person and getting drawn in to a fight. If Kieran matches the video of the melee he will see Tiernan Kelly pushing Sean Kelly who is the bigger man and doesn't push back.
Matching the melee again the way the Armagh subs came in so fast, and were double-teaming up against the Galway players in what seemed a very choreographed way.
Yes very choreographed indeed, in fact I heard from a very good source that instead of practicing penalties Armagh had been practising melees in the lead up to this match.
As everyone well knows, a melee is a proven way to gain an edge in a match: what better way to improve your chances of success than picking up a potential red card, a potential injury or a subsequent sanction ruling you out of future matches? It's amazing more teams don't get involved in them, Armagh are revolutionary pioneers who have had relentless success from deploying this tactic...
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
Did McGeeney say it was ok? He merely insinuated that that is what happens. Rightly or wrongly a player is going to do it. When a ref can't keep a lid on things early on, this is what happens. I've seen it unfold at Club level and county level is no different. You can let things go and let men play on the edge but you can also cut out the shite early on to stop things boiling over. Coldrick failed to do so, I was surprised he sent McCabe off as he let so much else go.
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
We definitely need to find some way to prevent threats like Morgan being illegally stopped by the likes of Walsh at various stages of a game, it's up to the referees and linesmen to do this and they have been found wanting.
I've seen Walsh get imbroiled time after time with opposition players who obviously are only trying to play the game in a fair and reasonable manner, Shane is clearly the common denominator here so it has to be him targeting the opposition corner backs for I suppose the politest way of calling it would be "treatment".
I hope the officials for the semi final grow a set of balls and stop this reign of targeted terror by Walsh against the marquee defenders we all pay the money for tickets to see. Certainly I think that these defenders have to accept that there are going to attempts to stop them by hook or by crook but its up to the officials to protect them, I sincerely hope this is sorted out for the semi final, we don't want to see Walsh getting away with his antics again.
This is so good...tip of the hat to you sir.
Walsh obviously a bad egg.
Rows, melees, schemozzles, are not a new issue. They've been part of the fabric of the GAA since time began. The tribal nature of the teams contributes to it.
This is an issue of the GAAs own making and it is them who should shoulder the responsibility. Allowing that many people access to the pitch was stupid. Fines clearly don't work as counties just pay them. Serious sanctions need brought in for that kind of careless rule breaking.
When a player is sent off there are about 5 appeal routes. Many of these committees have different people siting on them at any time and everything is open to interpretation. No appeals. Simple.
Get the rule book tidied up removing stupid rules that solicitors use to get out of bans.
Make the referees decisions sacrosanct. If they make a mistake then so be it.
Use video evidence only to review missed foul play.
Actually ban players.
Ban Armagh completely from the GAA.
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
We don't know enough about melees, imo. Why are they started ? What is the logic of a melee ? Who is supposed to benefit from them.
Why is the GAA response so poor?
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
You come out with shite like that and then wonder why people have no respect for referees?
From footage I saw it was started by Comer. For once Morgan looked innocent enough.
As for the next game, I think Derry will win handy enough. Galway are nothing special.
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Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
If a portly full forward subtly uses his rear end to his advantage under a high ball, is that a foul?
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 30, 2022, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 09:21:32 AM
Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
You come out with shite like that and then wonder why people have no respect for referees?
Ah right! I get it, the manager can shout abuse to the ref but when he gives him a measured response he gets no respect? Very good, the read the rules is a common problem, as most people think they know the rules and shout without thinking
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 09:21:32 AM
Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
I hope I'm never playing or managing with you in the middle! ;)
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
We definitely need to find some way to prevent threats like Morgan being illegally stopped by the likes of Walsh at various stages of a game, it's up to the referees and linesmen to do this and they have been found wanting.
I've seen Walsh get imbroiled time after time with opposition players who obviously are only trying to play the game in a fair and reasonable manner, Shane is clearly the common denominator here so it has to be him targeting the opposition corner backs for I suppose the politest way of calling it would be "treatment".
I hope the officials for the semi final grow a set of balls and stop this reign of targeted terror by Walsh against the marquee defenders we all pay the money for tickets to see. Certainly I think that these defenders have to accept that there are going to attempts to stop them by hook or by crook but its up to the officials to protect them, I sincerely hope this is sorted out for the semi final, we don't want to see Walsh getting away with his antics again.
This is so good...tip of the hat to you sir.
Walsh obviously a bad egg.
I mean, Armagh just scored a goal, Morgan had just got a yellow and Walsh wrestled him to the ground as he tried to get back and defend a Galway attack, presumably to get a rise out of him. It's more the officiating that annoys me, we then wonder why there was a melee shortly after.
Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2022, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2022, 09:21:32 AM
Someone pushes me I push back.... ok, I don't then ask for all mine teammates to get into a cartoon style dust up in front of 100,000's of people watch at the pitch on tv and in a quarter final game at the home of GAA..
Agreeing that its ok to push back is the first problem, allowing the ref to do his job is a lot easier when its one man instigating it, yellow or red depending on the incident.
The ref has one chance after discussion with other officials to make a call, if he did it by the book, you'd have 8 a side if you are lucky, maybe that needs to happen
The book needs to change then if it says there were any red card offences in that melee bar the obvious one ffs.
first two lads engage in a bit of pushing, the ref can deal with, issue cards appropriately, the others that bomb in are the issue and it's bad enough if it's actual players on the field of play, but when subs and even injured panel members get involved irrespective of their actions then they need made examples of.
How many 'bad' incidents were there before that final whistle? was there a few melee's? Did the ref dish out any cards during the game? Or did he just let them at it?
Here's the problem, football is not a contact sport unless there is a fair shoulder to shoulder, that's it, no other bodily contact is allowed, players are only allowed to tackle the ball not the man, if we ref'd per rule book and not use common sense then the game would be sanitised and unpopular (thats my opinion)
A manger was giving off last night in a game I was at saying ffs its a contact sport, which I replied its not bar a shoulder, read the rules
If a portly full forward subtly uses his rear end to his advantage under a high ball, is that a foul?
Yes if a portly FF uses his arse to shove someone under a high ball, its no different to pushing him in the back with 2 arms..
If 2 people are making an honest attempt to play the ball then that's fine, there needs to be a definitive foul, For instance if there is an accidental trip, its still a foul whether there was intent or not, which played out last night funnily enough and didn't go do well with the management team, I get that and understand the frustration.
The only way to work it is this, 3 people could watch the same 'tackle' and all three would have a different view of the same incident, the only one that matters is the ref's, and providing he's mainly consistent with his calls and explains them as he sees them that's all you can hope for.
The ref has taken time to time to do the course, keep himself fit and up to date with the ever changing rules, take abuse from players sidelines and supporters because his view is 'wrong' and at the same time the players supporters and management want games and have all the calls go their way!
I'm lucky as I've been through the GAA at every level, player, manager and supporter, moving to refereeing wasn't what I wanted to do, it was down to being not happy with what I'd seen at the times when playing, thinking that I'd be able to do better, the reality is its the worst part of GAA and as seen in an earlier post, by Keyser, no one respects the ref's especially ones that explain their calls
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 11:01:11 AM
From footage I saw it was started by Comer. For once Morgan looked innocent enough.
As for the next game, I think Derry will win handy enough. Galway are nothing special.
For the 1 millionth time - the tv footage only showed Comer's reaction to what happened directly beforehand. That wasn't captured but clearly obvious to anyone sitting in the Cusack.
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2022, 11:32:56 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 11:01:11 AM
From footage I saw it was started by Comer. For once Morgan looked innocent enough.
As for the next game, I think Derry will win handy enough. Galway are nothing special.
For the 1 millionth time - the tv footage only showed Comer's reaction to what happened directly beforehand. That wasn't captured but clearly obvious to anyone sitting in the Cusack.
Perhaps. But at that point shown in the footage there was a few metres between him and Morgan and Comer speeded up to keep the row going. Despite much commentary to the contrary this was not some Armagh plan to start a melee. It was a couple of players jostling who carried on doing so to the entrance of the tunnel, but because of the two teams going en masse into that tunnel there was quickly a crowd there and both teams favoured the GAA All-in approach.
If you watch the Sunday game highlights and pause on full time there's a Galway guy(comer I think) who jumps on the back of an Armagh man, couldn't understand where that fitted in the sequence of things.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 11:45:36 AM
If you watch the Sunday game highlights and pause on full time there's a Galway guy(comer I think) who jumps on the back of an Armagh man, couldn't understand where that fitted in the sequence of things.
Pretty sure that is Rafferty
There are lads here who don't want to deal in the facts of what happened on Sunday, either about the off the ball stuff during the match or in terms of the melee, Comer still getting blamed for starting the whole thing when this is not what happened at all, give out about him following up on the provocation and not walking away which led to the escalation of it if you want, that's at least accurate.
Galway are not blameless as it takes two to tango etc. but the sympathy I had for Armagh due to the manner of the exit and because of the conduct of the genuine fans I met after the match is rapidly diminishing having to read outright lies and nonsense online since. Outside of the gouge itself, Sweeney's attempted punch on Tiernan Kelly as he pulled him off Comer and yerman who grabbed Glynn from behind in a dangerous head lock the rest of it was just handbags that I saw, those three should be dealt with by the GAA and we move on, the two captains should be exonerated.
I'll say no more on this thread because it's just going into a cycle of whataboutery, best of luck to Armagh, there is a fine team and players there that could improve next year in a big way, from the outside I'd think that Armagh really need to target and win Ulster as a further building block along the way for this team but that's easier said than done to be fair.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 12:19:00 PM
There are lads here who don't want to deal in the facts of what happened on Sunday, either about the off the ball stuff during the match or in terms of the melee, Comer still getting blamed for starting the whole thing when this is not what happened at all, give out about him following up on the provocation and not walking away which led to the escalation of it if you want, that's at least accurate.
Galway are not blameless as it takes two to tango etc. but the sympathy I had for Armagh due to the manner of the exit and because of the conduct of the genuine fans I met after the match is rapidly diminishing having to read outright lies and nonsense online since. Outside of the gouge itself, Sweeney's attempted punch on Tiernan Kelly as he pulled him off Comer and yerman who grabbed Glynn from behind in a dangerous head lock the rest of it was just handbags that I saw, those three should be dealt with by the GAA and we move on, the two captains should be exonerated.
I'll say no more on this thread because it's just going into a cycle of whataboutery, best of luck to Armagh, there is a fine team and players there that could improve next year in a big way, from the outside I'd think that Armagh really need to target and win Ulster as a further building block along the way for this team but that's easier said than done to be fair.
Fair enough look at the end of the day regardless of who started what it was harmless pushing and shoving bar the eye gouge and the Galway mans (completely understandable) swing at Kelly. Didn't see the headlock to be honest.
Really hope ye get Kelly back for the semi and the very best of luck for the rest of the year. Hopefully be seeing yous again next season in Croker as well!
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 12:19:00 PM
There are lads here who don't want to deal in the facts of what happened on Sunday, either about the off the ball stuff during the match or in terms of the melee, Comer still getting blamed for starting the whole thing when this is not what happened at all, give out about him following up on the provocation and not walking away which led to the escalation of it if you want, that's at least accurate.
Galway are not blameless as it takes two to tango etc. but the sympathy I had for Armagh due to the manner of the exit and because of the conduct of the genuine fans I met after the match is rapidly diminishing having to read outright lies and nonsense online since. Outside of the gouge itself, Sweeney's attempted punch on Tiernan Kelly as he pulled him off Comer and yerman who grabbed Glynn from behind in a dangerous head lock the rest of it was just handbags that I saw, those three should be dealt with by the GAA and we move on, the two captains should be exonerated.
I'll say no more on this thread because it's just going into a cycle of whataboutery, best of luck to Armagh, there is a fine team and players there that could improve next year in a big way, from the outside I'd think that Armagh really need to target and win Ulster as a further building block along the way for this team but that's easier said than done to be fair.
My recollection is that Morgan ran over to Comer to celebrate the equalising score/final whistle perhaps a bit too over exuberantly. I can't remember if he give him a shoulder barge or if it was just a bit of verbals in his face. Comer give him a bit back and then as the rest of the players descended towards the tunnel it turned into a melee. The incident if it had happened anywhere else on the field or at another stage of the game would have likely blown over without fuss. Treated on its own in isolation, it was just 2 lads having a bit of argy bargy but if people want to engage in a 'he started it, no he did' argument then they can knock themselves out.
I wouldn't blame Comer at all (or Morgan either for that matter as it was highly charged and emotional at that stage), think its mostly fans of other counties who weren't at the match trying to pin it onto him.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 30, 2022, 07:42:39 AM
In the post match interview Kieran McGeeney posed a question back at a journalist what to you do when someone pushes you ? insinuating that the correct and normal thing to do is to push back, granted its an awful situation for Kieran to be in having to do a post match interview after losing a match, but its caveman stuff pushing someone back because they pushed you. If someone wants to start a fight with you, you do have the option of not engaging with the other person and getting drawn in to a fight. If Kieran matches the video of the melee he will see Tiernan Kelly pushing Sean Kelly who is the bigger man and doesn't push back.
Matching the melee again the way the Armagh subs came in so fast, and were double-teaming up against the Galway players in what seemed a very choreographed way.
the armagh subs were there as they were crossing the pitch with everyone else. Wise up
The problem with the melee was that it handed to Galway the psychological boost that they needed for extra time. No melee and I'd have been confident of Armagh finishing it off in extra time as Galway minds must have been on the floor at that stage. Just another example of a melee that had absolutely no benefit to Armagh whatsoever.
Few skelps from 20+ year ago
https://youtu.be/KSQXwun7jW0?t=144
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 11:45:36 AM
If you watch the Sunday game highlights and pause on full time there's a Galway guy(comer I think) who jumps on the back of an Armagh man, couldn't understand where that fitted in the sequence of things.
Another guy said the same thing previously in this thread - even gave the time it happened in the clip.
And it turned out it was Rafferty jumping on a teammates back in celebration.
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2022, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 11:45:36 AM
If you watch the Sunday game highlights and pause on full time there's a Galway guy(comer I think) who jumps on the back of an Armagh man, couldn't understand where that fitted in the sequence of things.
Another guy said the same thing previously in this thread - even gave the time it happened in the clip.
And it turned out it was Rafferty jumping on a teammates back in celebration.
He jumped on Rian after the free.
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While I completely agree with the above that we need to move on from the TK stuff as he's had his punishment now (and it's no Galway people here who are calling for his head), the idea that comer was the instigator is wrong and needs to stop.
Morgan, somewhat understandably in the joys of utter celebration, shouldered comer in the back and started mouthing a bit. Comer, who doesn't shy away from much to be fair, shoved back and then comer was surrounded by a few Armagh and then everyone started piling over. That's what happened and saying otherwise is starting a wrongful discussion about a player who still has to go perform in 2 weeks
100% that is exactly what happened. Anyone sitting in that area of the Cusack will say the same.
Wasn't at the game but the camera footage shown on TSG appears to tell a clear & different story.
Morgan is mouthing something alright.. thou it looks more likely that it is at his own teammate and if it is abuse at someone from Galway then they are a fair bit away.
Comer deliberately runs over to Morgan, starts his own bit of mouthing and instigates the shoulder dunt which is also clearly not in the back.
At that point Forker & ONeill get involved with Kelly being the next player to get involved.
You've just admitted you weren't at the game! Considering multiple Galway people and an Armagh fan have just explained on the previous page that's not what happened, has it not occurred to you that the camera's may have missed the start of it? The Morgan shoulder into Comer happened about 5-10 seconds before the part you saw when the camera panned over, which was Comer following Morgan to remonstrate. Maybe he shouldve just taken it, but as I said, he's generally not one to shy away either
I was at the game and that was my view of it at the time and it's my view of it having watched the game back. Also this one way narrative that only Morgan was at it all game is ballex of the highest order. Him and Walsh were both going at each other throughout, not long after Morgan got booked Shane Walsh had him pinned to the ground right in front of the linesman (eyes firmly painted on). Morgan was trying to get free for about 6-7 seconds with Walsh doing his best to provoke something. While the blind official eventually alerted the ref, colderick then proceeded to do absolutely f**k all about it ::)
We definitely need to find some way to prevent threats like Morgan being illegally stopped by the likes of Walsh at various stages of a game, it's up to the referees and linesmen to do this and they have been found wanting.
I've seen Walsh get imbroiled time after time with opposition players who obviously are only trying to play the game in a fair and reasonable manner, Shane is clearly the common denominator here so it has to be him targeting the opposition corner backs for I suppose the politest way of calling it would be "treatment".
I hope the officials for the semi final grow a set of balls and stop this reign of targeted terror by Walsh against the marquee defenders we all pay the money for tickets to see. Certainly I think that these defenders have to accept that there are going to attempts to stop them by hook or by crook but its up to the officials to protect them, I sincerely hope this is sorted out for the semi final, we don't want to see Walsh getting away with his antics again.
EXcellent AFA!
A good few delusional posters when it comes to what Morgan was up to, he should have received a yellow card for his 1st foul on Walsh which would likely have stopped a lot of his nonsense throughout the game. It does look like Walsh instigated the tussle after Morgan had been yellow carded which I was delighted to see, nothing less then Morgan deserved for his antics. Spoke to one of our Armagh lads at training last night who's been marked by Morgan in championship games in the past and was surprised how much he got away with throughout the game.
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Plenty good defenders weren't nasty, didn't have to be if they good enough,
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
So we are all in agreement the game was poorly officiated!
Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
So we are all in agreement the game was poorly officiated!
Lets not have ref's at all, they all seemed to be the reason
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Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
So we are all in agreement the game was poorly officiated!
Lets not have ref's at all, they all seemed to be the reason
Or just competent ones!
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
Marked him. Gentleman
Football or hurling? Like many Derry footballers I think he was a handy enough hurler too.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
Marked him. Gentleman
Did he let you touch the ball? ;)
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 03:48:57 PM
Football or hurling? Like many Derry footballers I think he was a handy enough hurler too.
Hurling
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 30, 2022, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
Marked him. Gentleman
Did he let you touch the ball? ;)
Skinned him for 3 points lol
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So we are all in agreement the game was poorly officiated!
Lets not have ref's at all, they all seemed to be the reason
Or just competent ones!
Judging by all accounts on here and every other game there are none. Take it up, judging by your armchair expertise you'd be at headquarters in your first year ;D
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Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
Marked him. Gentleman
Did he let you touch the ball? ;)
Skinned him for 3 points lol
Under 10 Derry quarter final 😂😂
do some players do jujitsu
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Morgan has been like that for years and seems to know how to get away with it. I mind one of the first times I saw him was cross against dr crokes and he was on gooch. It wasn't pretty. Walsh did well all things considered to not rise too much tbh.
Show me a decent ever defender who wasn't a nasty f**ker on the pitch. Philly McMahon, Francie Bellew, any Tyrone player ever etc etc.
Tony scullion, Andy Mallon, Seamus Moynihan, Kieran Fitzgerald, mcanallen, ...
A lot are tbh but he's not subtle though somehow got away with it in that match.
Marked him. Gentleman
Did he let you touch the ball? ;)
Skinned him for 3 points lol
Under 10 Derry quarter final 😂😂
Lol. Class, takes me back to u10 alright. The jokes I mean.
Not so good for Galway?
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Irish Examiner
Armagh's Tiernan Kelly is understood to have been given a hefty ban for the eye-gouging incident at the end of normal time in last Sunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final defeat to Galway.
Several players including Kelly across the two teams have received retrospective suspensions from the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) arising from the brawl. While Kelly's penalty is expected to be time-based, the other sanctions are likely to involve matches as they are believed to relate to acting dangerously towards an opponent.
That number excludes Galway captain Seán Kelly and Armagh joint-captain Aidan Nugent who were both sent off by David Coldrick for contributing to a melee. The pair were issued with red cards prior to the start of extra-time.
Armagh are also understood to have received notice of Greg McCabe's one-match ban for his sending off in normal time against Galway being doubled as he was dismissed in February's Division 1 win over Tyrone in the Athletic Grounds and it is a repeat Category III infraction. Should he accept the penalty, he will miss the first two games of next year's Allianz Football League.
Armagh and Galway had been contacted by the CCCC about certain players as part of their review of the brawl in conjunction with Coldrick. An intense three-day examination of the violent scenes concluded on Thursday after the referee's report was received on Monday evening.
Kelly and possibly Nugent are expected to contest their penalties in front of the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) with the former's meeting anticipated in the coming couple of days ahead of facing Derry in Saturday week's All-Ireland semi-final. The pair are expected to have their bans quashed due to mistaken identity.
All the players can contest their bans to the CHC. If they are upheld, they have the option of seeking a meeting with the Central Appeals Committee and after that the Disputes Resolution Authority.
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Irish Examiner
Armagh's Tiernan Kelly is understood to have been given a hefty ban for the eye-gouging incident at the end of normal time in last Sunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final defeat to Galway.
Several players including Kelly across the two teams have received retrospective suspensions from the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) arising from the brawl. While Kelly's penalty is expected to be time-based, the other sanctions are likely to involve matches as they are believed to relate to acting dangerously towards an opponent.
That number excludes Galway captain Seán Kelly and Armagh joint-captain Aidan Nugent who were both sent off by David Coldrick for contributing to a melee. The pair were issued with red cards prior to the start of extra-time.
Armagh are also understood to have received notice of Greg McCabe's one-match ban for his sending off in normal time against Galway being doubled as he was dismissed in February's Division 1 win over Tyrone in the Athletic Grounds and it is a repeat Category III infraction. Should he accept the penalty, he will miss the first two games of next year's Allianz Football League.
Armagh and Galway had been contacted by the CCCC about certain players as part of their review of the brawl in conjunction with Coldrick. An intense three-day examination of the violent scenes concluded on Thursday after the referee's report was received on Monday evening.
Kelly and possibly Nugent are expected to contest their penalties in front of the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) with the former's meeting anticipated in the coming couple of days ahead of facing Derry in Saturday week's All-Ireland semi-final. The pair are expected to have their bans quashed due to mistaken identity.
All the players can contest their bans to the CHC. If they are upheld, they have the option of seeking a meeting with the Central Appeals Committee and after that the Disputes Resolution Authority.
I'll be surprised if any Galway player misses the semi final. Sean Kelly should be successful in his appeal.
The Galway sub who threw the punch might be missing, but not missed.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 02:04:30 AM
The Galway sub who threw the punch might be missing, but not missed.
Sweeney will miss the semi no doubt. He's a good player but has been used sparingly in the championship so far. Brief cameos against Ros and last Sunday.
He looked like a star in the making as a minor a number of years back I thought
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 02:04:30 AM
The Galway sub who threw the punch might be missing, but not missed.
Sweeney will miss the semi no doubt. He's a good player but has been used sparingly in the championship so far. Brief cameos against Ros and last Sunday.
He looked like a star in the making as a minor a number of years back I thought
He was the standout player in that minor team of 2018, still only 20 or 21 though; Paul Kelly dropped back in the pecking order too but suppose I'd put that down to the emergence of Patrick Kelly. The bench looks light this year and Joyce was very reluctant to empty it on Sunday but suppose the stats men must have liked what they saw.
There's a good cohort of players that have stood out at underage in recent years and at most are 21 knocking around the panel in the 2 lads named above plus McGrath, McLaughlin, Culhane & Gill. I'd expect Hernon to be another one but he did his cruciate.
Then there's the likes of Cooke, Varley, Michael Daly & Ian Burke who all made themselves unavailable, wonder will they change their minds in the future.
so how long has Tiernan Kelly been suspended for?
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The Galway sub who threw the punch might be missing, but not missed.
Sweeney will miss the semi no doubt. He's a good player but has been used sparingly in the championship so far. Brief cameos against Ros and last Sunday.
He looked like a star in the making as a minor a number of years back I thought
He was the standout player in that minor team of 2018, still only 20 or 21 though; Paul Kelly dropped back in the pecking order too but suppose I'd put that down to the emergence of Patrick Kelly. The bench looks light this year and Joyce was very reluctant to empty it on Sunday but suppose the stats men must have liked what they saw.
There's a good cohort of players that have stood out at underage in recent years and at most are 21 knocking around the panel in the 2 lads named above plus McGrath, McLaughlin, Culhane & Gill. I'd expect Hernon to be another one but he did his cruciate.
Then there's the likes of Cooke, Varley, Michael Daly & Ian Burke who all made themselves unavailable, wonder will they change their minds in the future.
I would say Burke is done for good. Not even playing club ball anymore afaik.
I'd be hopeful the other 3 would be back though. They still have a lot to offer.
Quote from: clarshack on July 01, 2022, 10:30:02 AM
so how long has Tiernan Kelly been suspended for?
hasn't been announced afaik. Kelly (Galway) and Nugent got a match each but will get off on appeal. Greg McCabe got 2 matches as he had been sent off already this year and is appealing.
If Kelly from Galway doesn't get to play against Derry it is a disgrace.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
If Kelly from Galway doesn't get to play against Derry it is a disgrace.
100% agree. Consensus seems to be himself and Nugent will rightly get off on appeal. Would be very surprised if there is any video evidence of either lad doing anything bar try to calm the thing down.
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
Yeah both totally innocent going by what I've seen and what everyone has said. Completely unfair on Kelly who should be 100% focused on the biggest game of his life so far next week.
From Galway bay fm, it sounds like it's just Sean Kelly and one other panel member who im guessing must be Sweeney who threw a dig. If that's the case we'll definitely take that as Kelly will surely get off on appeal
Armagh have said they are accepting their punishment so mustn't be appealing. Anything announced for tiernan kelly?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
The match had to go on.The Ref didn't have a TV ref or time for video analysis.
Sending off the 2 gave the impression of doing something and allowing the match to continue while leaving time to investigate afterwards-
6 months for tiernan kelly. Could have been a lot worse.turbot banned too and Cathay sweeney.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
The match had to go on.The Ref didn't have a TV ref or time for video analysis.
Sending off the 2 gave the impression of doing something and allowing the match to continue while leaving time to investigate afterwards-
Doesn't change the fact that it was a ridiculous decision by Coldrick.
The whole disciplinary system needs a complete overhaul. Why do some players receive match bans and others a time ban? The irony is that Tiernan Kelly will be available for the start of the League whilst Nugent (who done nothing) and McCabe won't.
Then you also wonder on what basis Kelly received 6 months whilst Philly McMahon received one match for the same offence a few years ago. Is there now a new punishment in the rule book for gouging? It seems like the GAA have dished out a suspension in line with the media reaction rather than apply their own rules fairly.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
Armagh have said they are accepting their punishment so mustn't be appealing. Anything announced for tiernan kelly?
6 months I'm hearing
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
The match had to go on.The Ref didn't have a TV ref or time for video analysis.
Sending off the 2 gave the impression of doing something and allowing the match to continue while leaving time to investigate afterwards-
Nonsense. You can't just arbitrarily pick two people out. Extremely unjust.
Kelly, Armagh, shouldn't have been near the pitch either which I assume was a factor. I honestly thought he would get more.
Whatever the sanctions are the Armagh CB have released a statement accepting them. Proper order too. Case closed move on
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
Armagh have said they are accepting their punishment so mustn't be appealing. Anything announced for tiernan kelly?
6 months I'm hearing
6 months from when? 6 months from now does not affect inter-county at all.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
Armagh have said they are accepting their punishment so mustn't be appealing. Anything announced for tiernan kelly?
6 months I'm hearing
6 months from when? 6 months from now does not affect inter-county at all.
Certain infractions and suspensions go across all codes and levels. He will be banned from all activity for 6 months technically
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
Armagh have said they are accepting their punishment so mustn't be appealing. Anything announced for tiernan kelly?
6 months I'm hearing
6 months from when? 6 months from now does not affect inter-county at all.
Certain infractions and suspensions go across all codes and levels. He will be banned from all activity for 6 months technically
Thought he would get a year tbh
Big impact for his club though. I thought he might have got the 96 weeks. Honestly think the disproportionate response on social media may have got more leniency for him.
Six months from the date of the offence otherwise the suspension would be more than 6 months!
I agree with the county board approach of just accepting the punishment and drawing a line under it, the negative PR just isn't worth the hassle of appealing the Nugent suspension which they would get overturned. Even if it means another victory for the media and the pitchfork brigade.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 01:34:10 PM
Big impact for his club though. I thought he might have got the 96 weeks. Honestly think the disproportionate response on social media may have got more leniency for him.
No real impact on his club as due to the nature of his injury he probably wouldn't have played much this year anyway.
Oh. Kind of doesn't feel right if that suspension really means nothing.
Quote from: galwayman on July 01, 2022, 01:06:21 PM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
The match had to go on.The Ref didn't have a TV ref or time for video analysis.
Sending off the 2 gave the impression of doing something and allowing the match to continue while leaving time to investigate afterwards-
Doesn't change the fact that it was a ridiculous decision by Coldrick.
Of course it was. Do the GAA have the infrastructure to deal with this on the spot? It doesn't look like it.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0701/1307948-armaghs-tiernan-kelly-receives-24-week-ban/
24 weeks
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
No dirt in nugent or Kelly. It's kind of mind boggling what the ref was at in the first place and why this, even if it is temporary, being held up.
The match had to go on.The Ref didn't have a TV ref or time for video analysis.
Sending off the 2 gave the impression of doing something and allowing the match to continue while leaving time to investigate afterwards-
What good is giving the impression? Either do nothing and let the Cccc sort it later or send off the first two lads, (Morgan and Comer) not two lads you didnt see doing anything at all wrong
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 01:34:10 PM
Big impact for his club though. I thought he might have got the 96 weeks. Honestly think the disproportionate response on social media may have got more leniency for him.
Not sure how he would get 96 weeks when Philly Mc was given one game.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 02:18:42 PM
Thought it would have been 12. 24 weeks is harsh enough, considering. If he appealed it he'd definitely get it reduced.
hardly much point appealing it whenever the 24 weeks is up before the league starts. Why not give him 3 or 5 matches?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 02:36:37 PM
Perhaps the rules didn't allow a game ban. Could depend on what it is they have done him for also. Maybe someone not named in the match day squad can't get a game ban. Like a supporter would get a time ban, rather than a game ban.
I'm only guessing.
Good point you could be right. Basically getting off scot free then which I'm not in favour of. Turbitt and Blaine Hughes banned as well.
Surely the referee has to have action taken against him, if there is such a process within their world in the GAA. You can't send two players off for no reason purely to try and settle things down, especially in such a big game where one of them could have made the difference.
Given he shouldn't even have been on the pitch, six months that won't actually prevent him from playing anything he otherwise would have done seems very lenient.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 01, 2022, 04:11:26 PM
Surely the referee has to have action taken against him, if there is such a process within their world in the GAA. You can't send two players off for no reason purely to try and settle things down, especially in such a big game where one of them could have made the difference.
He should but it won't happen.
it should have been 70 weeks
Still can't believe how calm Nugent was when sent-off, it still was only a matter of minutes after he was told in the dressing room. You would be livid, watched the footage again and kept my eye on him throughout, not one tiny act of aggression out of him. Same with the Galway FB.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 01, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Still can't believe how calm Nugent was when sent-off, it still was only a matter of minutes after he was told in the dressing room. You would be livid, watched the footage again and kept my eye on him throughout, not one tiny act of aggression out of him. Same with the Galway FB.
A synchronised sending-off has a different dynamic to an individual one. There was a balance to it on Sunday and no team had an advantage because of it
A synchronised sending off :o
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 01, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Given he shouldn't even have been on the pitch, six months that won't actually prevent him from playing anything he otherwise would have done seems very lenient.
Not if you consider that many others involved in the melee "shouldn't have been on the pitch" and they received no punishment at all.
Or indeed, that anyone contributing to a melee carries a punishment yet the vast majority of those who contributed received no punishment at all.
And then put that alongside previous punishments handed out for eye gouging. 6 months actually seems harsh.
I'm ignorant of the procedures and framework here, but there should clearly be a distinction between the match day panel, management etc who should be "inside the rope" and everyone else on the outside.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2022, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 02:18:42 PM
Thought it would have been 12. 24 weeks is harsh enough, considering. If he appealed it he'd definitely get it reduced.
hardly much point appealing it whenever the 24 weeks is up before the league starts. Why not give him 3 or 5 matches?
Far from getting off scot free the treatment he has received on social media, the press and assorted other bandwagon jumpers is worse than any match ban. His ban is also excessive compared to other high profile gouges, albeit given he was non playing that might have framed the punishment. How only one Galway man got cited is bizarre. I'd guess running scared of the appeals.
Check out Thomas Niblocks take on the GAA Social, balanced and fair.
Bar has now been set for these melee's, lets see consistency.
Just a pity now that the bans have been settled that we're not looking forward to a replay this weekend >:(
So in short there nothing in the future to prevent further pile ins, GAA never grasped suspensions to be match related.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2022, 05:17:13 PM
So in short there nothing in the future to prevent further pile ins, GAA never grasped suspensions to be match related.
Melees are great for TAM ratings. They also drive pub sales and the average GAAboard match discussion can be up to 60% longer because of a melee.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2022, 04:56:57 PM
Bar has now been set for these melee's, lets see consistency.
The bar was set at the tryrone game but didn't apply to armagh for some reason for the Donegal game
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 01, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Given he shouldn't even have been on the pitch, six months that won't actually prevent him from playing anything he otherwise would have done seems very lenient.
Not if you consider that many others involved in the melee "shouldn't have been on the pitch" and they received no punishment at all.
Or indeed, that anyone contributing to a melee carries a punishment yet the vast majority of those who contributed received no punishment at all.
And then put that alongside previous punishments handed out for eye gouging. 6 months actually seems harsh.
I'm ignorant of the procedures and framework here, but there should clearly be a distinction between the match day panel, management etc who should be "inside the rope" and everyone else on the outside.
The "outside the rope crowd" usually all join the rest to go to the dressing rooms.
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Quote from: gallsman on July 01, 2022, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 01, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Given he shouldn't even have been on the pitch, six months that won't actually prevent him from playing anything he otherwise would have done seems very lenient.
Not if you consider that many others involved in the melee "shouldn't have been on the pitch" and they received no punishment at all.
Or indeed, that anyone contributing to a melee carries a punishment yet the vast majority of those who contributed received no punishment at all.
And then put that alongside previous punishments handed out for eye gouging. 6 months actually seems harsh.
I'm ignorant of the procedures and framework here, but there should clearly be a distinction between the match day panel, management etc who should be "inside the rope" and everyone else on the outside.
The "outside the rope crowd" usually all join the rest to go to the dressing rooms.
Something else to be looked at that will never be addressed.. Very easy to sort out as well if anyone was bothered.
What exact offence has Kelly been charged with to arrive at the 6 month suspension? I can't find anywhere where it has been stated what he has been charged with. It seems all very cloak and dagger. Or are they afraid to cite 'gouging' since they know that other players have got one match bans in the past for the same offence. It looks to be a make it up as they go along setup based on the level of outcry and profile of the match. If it happens again in a match of a lesser stature is it a one match ban or a 6 month ban.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2022, 06:50:51 PM
What exact offence has Kelly been charged with to arrive at the 6 month suspension? I can't find anywhere where it has been stated what he has been charged with. It seems all very cloak and dagger. Or are they afraid to cite 'gouging' since they know that other players have got one match bans in the past for the same offence. It looks to be a make it up as they go along setup based on the level of outcry and profile of the match. If it happens again in a match of a lesser stature is it a one match ban or a 6 month ban.
He'd have got a 1 game ban if he'd been part of the panel of 26 but he wasn't so there's the difference with McMahon & McKinless.
If a spectator had run on the pitch and committed the offence he'd have got a lot longer then 6 months.
By all reports he's a good lad and considering his injury a 6 month ban suits all parties and the GAA have been seen to have dealt with it properly.
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What exact offence has Kelly been charged with to arrive at the 6 month suspension? I can't find anywhere where it has been stated what he has been charged with. It seems all very cloak and dagger. Or are they afraid to cite 'gouging' since they know that other players have got one match bans in the past for the same offence. It looks to be a make it up as they go along setup based on the level of outcry and profile of the match. If it happens again in a match of a lesser stature is it a one match ban or a 6 month ban.
He'd have got a 1 game ban if he'd been part of the panel of 26 but he wasn't so there's the difference with McMahon & McKinless.
If a spectator had run on the pitch and committed the offence he'd have got a lot longer then 6 months.
By all reports he's a good lad and considering his injury a 6 month ban suits all parties and the GAA have been seen to have dealt with it properly.
I'm not buying that. There were another dozen or so non playing members involved in the melee who by using that logic were encroaching illegally onto the pitch at a minimum. Yet they weren't suspended. Does the next player found guilty of gouging get a one match ban or a 6 month ban? We are none the wiser and the problem is the inconsistency.
I'm not actually arguing with the length of the ban and you're correct to say that it suits all parties but it just highlights again a disciplinary system that needs overhauling. Until that happens we will rumble on until the next big incident after which yet more hand wringing will occur.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2022, 04:24:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 01, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Still can't believe how calm Nugent was when sent-off, it still was only a matter of minutes after he was told in the dressing room. You would be livid, watched the footage again and kept my eye on him throughout, not one tiny act of aggression out of him. Same with the Galway FB.
A synchronised sending-off has a different dynamic to an individual one. There was a balance to it on Sunday and no team had an advantage because of it
It doesn't have any different of a dynamic to each of the individuals though and whether someone has an advantage or not is up for debate.
In every club and county there are hotheads and there are calm thinkers. Tiernan never gave me the impression of a hothead. But c'est la vie. Game over. Move on.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 01, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Still can't believe how calm Nugent was when sent-off, it still was only a matter of minutes after he was told in the dressing room. You would be livid, watched the footage again and kept my eye on him throughout, not one tiny act of aggression out of him. Same with the Galway FB.
A synchronised sending-off has a different dynamic to an individual one. There was a balance to it on Sunday and no team had an advantage because of it
It doesn't have any different of a dynamic to each of the individuals though and whether someone has an advantage or not is up for debate.
If just the Armagh victim had been sent off, the game would have been totally different. The GAA needs to start thinking about in-game governance for melees. It's literally a free for all at the moment.
Kicking someone in the shin off the ball used to be a 3 month suspension yrs ago, aka Tommy Carr on Brian Murray. Gouging or stamping on head, neck etc you think should be a standard 6 month suspension. Some man need properly write out the rule book. With a failed appeals doubled,
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2022, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2022, 06:50:51 PM
What exact offence has Kelly been charged with to arrive at the 6 month suspension? I can't find anywhere where it has been stated what he has been charged with. It seems all very cloak and dagger. Or are they afraid to cite 'gouging' since they know that other players have got one match bans in the past for the same offence. It looks to be a make it up as they go along setup based on the level of outcry and profile of the match. If it happens again in a match of a lesser stature is it a one match ban or a 6 month ban.
He'd have got a 1 game ban if he'd been part of the panel of 26 but he wasn't so there's the difference with McMahon & McKinless.
If a spectator had run on the pitch and committed the offence he'd have got a lot longer then 6 months.
By all reports he's a good lad and considering his injury a 6 month ban suits all parties and the GAA have been seen to have dealt with it properly.
A agree with the last sentence but why do people keep bringing up if a spectator done it? TK wasn't a spectator and he didn't just run on to the pitch
What number was the third Armagh player to be sanctioned wearing (aside from Kelly and Nugent)?
The number 27 I assume was it?
Quote from: galwayman on July 01, 2022, 08:27:31 PM
What number was the third Armagh player to be sanctioned wearing (aside from Kelly and Nugent)?
The number 27 I assume was it?
16 - sub keeper Hughes ???
Sean Kelly cleared.
Was the third Armagh player not turbitt who scored the second goal? I thought 22 or 23? (If that was him)
Quote from: delgany on July 01, 2022, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 01, 2022, 08:27:31 PM
What number was the third Armagh player to be sanctioned wearing (aside from Kelly and Nugent)?
The number 27 I assume was it?
16 - sub keeper Hughes ???
Ah right. Out of everyone else (apart from Cathal Sweeney) I thought 27 would get done.
Ran in, grabbed a lad from behind in a headlock and dragged him to the ground.
Anyhow - just heard Sean Kelly Clare's to ply in the semi final
Blaine Hughes the Armagh sub keeper has the 27 number bib on him.
Quote from: pbat on July 01, 2022, 10:15:13 PM
Blaine Hughes the Armagh sub keeper has the 27 number bib on him.
That makes sense so.
Good to see Sean Kelly cleared.
Since the match I have read and heard much vitriol against Armagh and individual players which as a proud Armagh and GAA man I find hard to take. By not appealing Nugent's card the County Board have obviously decided that dragging things on any further won't help the county. Harsh on Nugent.
TK was wrong, has accepted his punishment and should be allowed to move on. Some people need to realise how dangerous their anonymous comments can be to the person on the receiving end. Society is in a severe crisis with this type of thing.
Some have pointed out that Armagh must be to blame as they have been involved in 3 melees in the past year. But in truth a melee can only develop if both teams get involved. On all occasions blame has to be shared.
Watching this current Armagh team play football is properly entertaining. They have been involved in high profile games in the last few years that have been among the most exciting of the year - v Roscommon in Portloaise, Mayo in Castlebar, Monaghan in Newry and Galway in Croke Park to name a few. They play football. They play with pace on their good days.
I do wonder if the poor press will effect how their games are refereed going forward. But I would rather watch them play than watch some of the slow hand passing, side to side teams there are out there. Teams that are 'cute' .
Good luck to the teams left in the championship. Let's hope for some colour and excitement.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 02, 2022, 10:34:11 AM
Good to see Sean Kelly cleared.
Since the match I have read and heard much vitriol against Armagh and individual players which as a proud Armagh and GAA man I find hard to take. By not appealing Nugent's card the County Board have obviously decided that dragging things on any further won't help the county. Harsh on Nugent.
TK was wrong, has accepted his punishment and should be allowed to move on. Some people need to realise how dangerous their anonymous comments can be to the person on the receiving end. Society is in a severe crisis with this type of thing.
Some have pointed out that Armagh must be to blame as they have been involved in 3 melees in the past year. But in truth a melee can only develop if both teams get involved. On all occasions blame has to be shared.
Watching this current Armagh team play football is properly entertaining. They have been involved in high profile games in the last few years that have been among the most exciting of the year - v Roscommon in Portloaise, Mayo in Castlebar, Monaghan in Newry and Galway in Croke Park to name a few. They play football. They play with pace on their good days.
I do wonder if the poor press will effect how their games are refereed going forward. But I would rather watch them play than watch some of the slow hand passing, side to side teams there are out there. Teams that are 'cute' .
Good luck to the teams left in the championship. Let's hope for some colour and excitement.
I can see why they didn't appeal it (i.e. be seen to accept their punishment etc.) but it is extremely harsh on Nugent who did nothing.
Yeah he will miss a game with much less significance. You would imagine it's PR tbh.(not a dig at Armagh - anyone in their position would do it)
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
Yeah he will miss a game with much less significance. You would imagine it's PR tbh.(not a dig at Armagh - anyone in their position would do it)
I think Armagh did the right thing. However, it would be odd if the first league game was Armagh v Galway and Kelly played while Nugent did not
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2022, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
Yeah he will miss a game with much less significance. You would imagine it's PR tbh.(not a dig at Armagh - anyone in their position would do it)
I think Armagh did the right thing. However, it would be odd if the first league game was Armagh v Galway and Kelly played while Nugent did not
To be fair, Sean Kelly wouldn't miss the first game of the league anyway. So Kelly could serve his suspension and play the first game of the league.
Considering the broader issue of Armagh's involvement in these rows:
I think the county board need to be having a word with McGeeney & the players on this stuff. Not just because we're developing a reputation. There
may be a time & place for this kind of thing in the development of a team (albeit in general it's not good, is it?). However, we have got involved at the wrong time and wrong place where it done way more harm than good, getting involved in this crap.
The only one where I would have any sympathy was in the Tyrone match, where Tyrone (and one player in particular) was the clear instigator and it suited Armagh to see the game out.
Both melees against Donegal and Galway were particularly brainless and ultimately suited the opposition.
Quote from: APM on July 02, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
Both melees against Donegal and Galway were particularly brainless and ultimately suited the opposition.
I think the Armagh setup need to reflect on this. The object should be to win games, standing up for yourself in the melee should not be an objective if it interferes with winning. Some things that go on, e.g. pointless fouls giving away points, slabbering about frees and getting them moved up and wild challenges that end up with people getting sent off, are not helping winning games.
Armagh drew with Galway, one more point would have done the job and discipline is part of the solution to getting that point.
Disgrace that Nugent hasn't been let off, shouldn't have to appeal when the authorities and everybody in the country know he was incorrectly sent off.
Can he appeal or do Armagh have the final say? I'd be raging if I were him, would also feel let down by Armagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2022, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: APM on July 02, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
Both melees against Donegal and Galway were particularly brainless and ultimately suited the opposition.
I think the Armagh setup need to reflect on this. The object should be to win games, standing up for yourself in the melee should not be an objective if it interferes with winning. Some things that go on, e.g. pointless fouls giving away points, slabbering about frees and getting them moved up and wild challenges that end up with people getting sent off, are not helping winning games.
Armagh drew with Galway, one more point would have done the job and discipline is part of the solution to getting that point.
100% .... no melee and a Galway win last Sunday would have been less likely. No heavy, unneeded tackle from Greg McCabe, no red card, and a Galway win last Sunday would have been less likely. If's, buts and maybe's ... the takeaway is a good look at discipline in general.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2022, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: APM on July 02, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
Both melees against Donegal and Galway were particularly brainless and ultimately suited the opposition.
I think the Armagh setup need to reflect on this. The object should be to win games, standing up for yourself in the melee should not be an objective if it interferes with winning. Some things that go on, e.g. pointless fouls giving away points, slabbering about frees and getting them moved up and wild challenges that end up with people getting sent off, are not helping winning games.
Armagh drew with Galway, one more point would have done the job and discipline is part of the solution to getting that point.
Never understood players attitude of standing up for themselves. All teams have these "hard" men type. The best way to hurt the opposition is to do it on the score board. If someone is pushing and shoving you ignore it until the ref sees it then use the extra motivation to get the next score.
Getting involved in meelee isnt hurting the opposition its often plyaing into their hands. Can understand younger players getting involved but the more experienced players should know this by now.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 03, 2022, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2022, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: APM on July 02, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
Both melees against Donegal and Galway were particularly brainless and ultimately suited the opposition.
I think the Armagh setup need to reflect on this. The object should be to win games, standing up for yourself in the melee should not be an objective if it interferes with winning. Some things that go on, e.g. pointless fouls giving away points, slabbering about frees and getting them moved up and wild challenges that end up with people getting sent off, are not helping winning games.
Armagh drew with Galway, one more point would have done the job and discipline is part of the solution to getting that point.
Never understood players attitude of standing up for themselves. All teams have these "hard" men type. The best way to hurt the opposition is to do it on the score board. If someone is pushing and shoving you ignore it until the ref sees it then use the extra motivation to get the next score.
Getting involved in meelee isnt hurting the opposition its often plyaing into their hands. Can understand younger players getting involved but the more experienced players should know this by now.
Totally agree.