Donegal V Tyrone Ulster Final 17th July

[From the Bunker]

Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and

Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.

If Mayo meet Donegal they will get a bit of the medicine they dished out in 13 & 15. Donegal were seriously jaded in both those games.

[DennistheMenace]

Most eagerly anticipated Ulster Final in years?

[dlgael]

I'd argue the past 3 Ulster finals had the two best teams in Ulster as well.
Neutrals seem to be loving all things Tyrone so far this year.
The draw has been kind to Tyrone thus far with arguably the easier first round and clearly the easier semi final.
The past 2 weeks in the trenches will have served Donegal well I'm guessing.
A parting Anglo Celt for about 6 of the Donegal panel.
Tir Chonaill Abu.

[Jinxy]

Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.

[Fuzzman]

Ahh Jinxy. Where's the fun in that.

Jim McGuinness is certainly talking it up as the game of the decade for Ulster which seems a bit disrespectful to Monaghan. He's more or less saying Donegal have taken over Tyrone's dominance as the force in Ulster but if they beat them now in the final then that's their crowning glory. Indeed he's raising the stakes but I think this is a young inexperienced Tyrone team who are trying to get back to the top table but haven't beaten anyone of note since 2008.

Jim McGuinness: Donegal and Tyrone will give no quarter Irish times
Every so often, the championship creates an extraordinary rivalry, meaning that teams can bring a decade's worth of emotion and envy and celebration and pure competitive desperation into one afternoon.
The Ulster final between Donegal and Tyrone in Clones (and it could be no other place) on July 17th is one of those occasions.
Over the weekend, both teams made efficient work of ensuring they get to spark off each other once again. Against Monaghan, Donegal dominated the game and controlled it and scored with fluency and hit the magic number of 0-17. I felt achieving that scoreline was important in the context of their overall season.
The big guns were firing: Michael Murphy 0-5; Patrick McBrearty 0-4. Marty O'Reilly went into the middle of the park to mark Karl O'Connell and still chipped in with 0-3. Rory Kavanagh and Frank McGlynn put in the kind of big summer performances we have come to expect down the years and the McHughs were full of running.
As a team, Donegal controlled the game and ran with purpose and moved the ball with intent through their hands and they also dealt with Monaghan's key men over the two games – and crucially without the services of Neil McGee.
Mental strength
The replay also means Donegal have Neil McGee back for the final, which is critical. Kieran Gillespie deputised extremely well when he came in at full back and he offers Rory Gallagher an option when he sits down to look at the match-ups against Tyrone. What McGee brings is intensity and explosiveness and a mental strength to the cause which can create a synergy within the team. Other players see Neil taking off and running straight lines and clearing everything in his path and they feed off that. And he has a reputation for handling top-class forwards.
The other half of the Ulster final was a situation where Tyrone just blitzed Cavan. Tyrone's intensity and defensive shape is back. They have youth in their side. They have legs. Three of their six second-half scores were goals, which tells its own story in terms of ruthless execution.
Peter Harte was outstanding; he was on a hat-trick for most of the game and could have got it but finished by scoring 2-3 from play. Cathal McShane, the under-21 from last year, stood out and Colm Cavanagh continued in what has become a really masterful sweeping role. We could pick a lot of players out – Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly: they had conspicuous performances all over the field.
What I really liked was Tyrone's decision making, particularly when they were bearing down on goal. Their turnovers and breaking at speed was so sharp and most of their scores came in transition. They seem to have reacquired their aggressive edge when they move the ball. After 26 minutes it was 2-7 to 0-5 and basically the game was over.
And then Mickey Harte got a good contribution from his bench. So they won the game comfortably and all in all it was a good day's work. In one sense, there is a silver lining for Donegal in the fact Cavan scored 2-17. That will serve as a motivation for Tyrone and it is something they can get their teeth into when they get together in Ballygawley this week. Because they know if they concede that kind of a score in the Ulster final, then they probably won't be Ulster champions.
Both teams got the extra day out and therefore were able to refine their game plan under championship pressure and they can prepare for their latest match-up in a really good state of mind.
So: Donegal versus Tyrone again. Where does it leave us?
This is Donegal's sixth Ulster final in a row. It is easy to gloss over that but it is a feat only achieved by the Down team of the 1960s. I really hope there are as many flags flying around the county for the next few weeks as there were back in 2011, when we were trying to win our first Ulster title in 19 years. Who would have predicted Donegal would make it back to another five finals after that? It is a phenomenal achievement and the core of the team – despite being written off since around 2012 – is there for all six finals.
If you go back to the winter of 2010/'11, Tyrone were going for three in a row in Ulster. They looked almost unassailable and Donegal probably weren't on their radar. They had three All-Ireland titles in their pockets and five Ulster titles.
The Donegal lads had been on the receiving end of that phenomenal run of success on many afternoons. Or else they were simply spectators of Tyrone's success. When I came in to manage Donegal, one thing I was certain of was that we had to plan with great detail to beat Tyrone. They were the standard bearers for the Ulster championship. They were the team everyone looked up to and Mickey Harte was the most respected football mind in the country.
Hanging on
When we went into that 2011 semi-final knowing we knew we had the work done. We knew we couldn't have had put in any more of a sacrifice. But still, it was only when Brick Molloy's shot hit the net in the last minute we knew for certain we had done it. For much of that game, we were just hanging on. We were five points down at one stage and Tyrone had a great goal chance. Had they converted that, it would have left us in a near impossible position. But we clawed our way back and discovered in the minutes where you have to expose your character that we had the belief we needed. And we got through.
The funny thing is Tyrone are in precisely that place now. There is a lot of talk about them and have played some tremendous football but that belief they have won't become something true until – or unless – they win the final.
In 2011, Donegal stung Tyrone. They were really hurting. Because they had no Ulster title, all of a sudden. And so the following year, we knew they were going to come at us with absolute venom. Those dynamics just clashed when the teams met in the semi-final of 2012. It was a 70-minute, non-stop battle. And, when we won that match, that was the moment I felt we started to take psychological control of the dynamic between the counties.
We went on to win the All-Ireland and then in 2013, the teams met in Ballybofey and when Neil McGee absorbed that hit on Stephen O'Neill, that felt like the moment we broke them. Then in 2015, when Rory took over, we beat them again in Ballybofey in another very tense, tough match.
So if you look at the 10-year period before 2011, when Tyrone were to my mind the team of the decade, an absolutely brilliant force, and from 2011 when Donegal transformed their fortunes, it is almost like role reversal.
I go into all this to make one simple point: what this fixture, this Ulster final, means to both sets of players is simply exceptional. Tyrone feel they are back. Donegal feel they can handle Tyrone. Neither will yield a millimetre. So, in terms of the history they share and have made, I believe this game means as much as an All-Ireland final.
This game is going to be defensive, aggressive, intense, competitive. There is a bit of disdain between the two teams. But it will be enthralling. It will be completely gripping because of this sense of a decade of life's work being poured into the effort to win the Anglo-Celt Cup.
The pain of defeat will be more acute for the losers than any other game they have played. And for the winner, it will be one of the sweetest moments of all. And you can bet that both managements and squads will be fixating on this. It is a career defining moment of this particular rivalry. It is an opportunity for the Tyrone team to say: yeah, but you couldn't do it in a final.
Winning this one will help to erase some if not all of the pain inflicted by Donegal. And it is a chance for Donegal to unequivocally claim their place as the Ulster team of this decade.
Organised gameplan
So as the radio men say, there will be no prisoners taken. It will be a stereotypical Ulster championship match drawn from all the ingredients of the Clones afternoons of our childhood. Neither side will surrender the middle of the pitch. Both teams bring pace in certain areas of the field. Both sides have a clear and organised gameplan. It will come down to very fine margins. It will come down to free taking. It will come down to discipline and to big players stepping up. I do believe Donegal hold that edge in terms of marquee forwards and I believe they will win because of this.
It is not just a match to savour – it is a day to savour. They don't come around very often because it takes years to reach the height that this rivalry is now at and, even then, teams seldom have the consistent excellence to clash so often. It will be a privilege for supporters lucky enough to be there. And for the players on both sides, it will be one of the days of their lives.

[BennyHarp]

Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.

To be fair, it was a decent game in Ballybofey last year.

[Maroon Manc]

Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and

Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.

If Mayo meet Donegal they will get a bit of the medicine they dished out in 13 & 15. Donegal were seriously jaded in both those games.

Aye, people are really underestimated the 6/7 day turnaround. Only Tyrone have won a quarter final after coming through a qualifier in the last 5 years and that was probably down to having an easy game in round 4.

[Fuzzman]

That's not what a lot of neutrals thought Benny.

They thought it was much too intense with a lot of cynical play from both sides and then the half time clash.
Many thought Justy's treatment of Murphy was a disgrace how he tormented him all day and blocked his runs etc.

With so much at stake I think it is inevitable these matches become ugly and nasty with winning at all costs high on the agenda. I think they bring out the worst in each other as both tend to not be as bad in other games although we have already seen some incidents with Donegal against Monaghan including the Donegal keeper mouthing off to McManus before the penalty last weekend and the third man tackles.

I don't like to see these 'dark arts' as much as anyone but you are being naive if you can't admit that they tend to happen in most of the BIG games in the championship with several guilty parties including Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry. Most of the year we're complaining that the championship is boring and so one sided with little intensity yet the neutral is quick to jump on any incident when a player over steps the mark. e.g. Donegal's keeper play acting his injury in the drawn game.
I'm not condoning this type of incident but just saying that you tend to see them happening more when in tight competitive games such as Philly McMahon on O'Shea.

So I'm expecting a very intense final with lots of crafty cynical play right on the edge of the rules but I think Tyrone lack that type of player like Neil McGee any more although Donegal might disagree.

Mickey's team selection the last day brought in Justy and McNabb. Two good defenders who played in the half back line and moved Harte & Sludden up to half forward (or at least named them there). I think we will see the same for the final with a very defensive starting line to play a very cautious low scoring game. Ronan O'Neill I thought struggled last Sunday and I can see him left out v Donegal as he will be suffocated under the green and yellow blanket. Anyone who doesn't release the ball quickly will be swallowed up and the break will be on. As Cavan found out on Sunday, losing the ball on the other team's 40 is now a dangerous thing to happen.

Finally I think fitness and the subs bench will play a huge part on Sunday week. I notice Donegal and Tyrone are copying Dublin now in that the kick outs are done very fast and so there is little respite for the players. I would imagine both teams are at a similar fitness level but Tyrone do have a younger bench to come on and so the final 20 minutes could be crucial.

[Jinxy]

Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.

To be fair, it was a decent game in Ballybofey last year.

Maybe it was but I would generally associate this fixture with lots of slabbering & slobbering.
Tyrone seemed to have the right attitude this year so its more likely to be Donegal acting the maggot, along the sideline as much as on the field.

[The Trap]

Tyrone team to play in final: Morgan, McCrory, McNamee, McCarron, Brennan (on Ryan McHugh), Justy (on Murphy), McCann, Cavanagh, Donnelly, McShane, Sludden, Harte, McAliskey, Cavanagh, O'Neill

Would make more changes myself but this is the team Mickey will pick and he is not normally easy to read! Think the forwards will struggle.

If Tyrone are to win this game it will be the bench that will do it!

[ONeill]

Jimmy slapping himself on the back a lot in that article. Maybe deservedly so.

[twohands!!!]

Can see this one being a nightmare to ref.

I expect lots of fouling out the field by Donegal to stop runners at source given that Tyrone don't have a reliable long-distance free-taker.

[omagh_gael]

What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?

[lenny]

What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?

Donegal are tyrones bogey side so that gives them an advantage for this one. Having said that Tyrone have been transformed by Peter Donnelly this year. They were going nowhere under Harte this last 5 or 6 years but they are unrecognisable with donnellys influence. Tyrone by 4 or 5 pts for me.

[BennyHarp]

What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?

Donegal are tyrones bogey side so that gives them an advantage for this one. Having said that Tyrone have been transformed by Peter Donnelly this year. They were going nowhere under Harte this last 5 or 6 years but they are unrecognisable with donnellys influence. Tyrone by 4 or 5 pts for me.

Means nothing. Donegal where just better than Tyrone in recent years. It remains to be seen if this is still the case but I don't buy into this bogey team nonsense. Having said that, a win over Donegal will be a big boost to Tyrone confidence. With regards to the Peter Donnelly thing, he has no doubt bought a new dimension to the preparation but if you haven't noticed this style of play developing over the past few years with Tyrone, then you haven't really been watching them play much. This gameplan didn't simply emerge since Peter got involved.