Brexit.

[haranguerer]

Drew Harris be delighted to police the border 

[Main Street]

https://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/hundreds-of-garda-to-patrol-border-if-no-deal-37743980.html

"Meanwhile, more than 400 new customs staff will be in place on Brexit day as part of no-deal preparations as Ireland prepares for a sharp increase in customs requirements post-Brexit." That's a bolt from the blue. You'd have thought the Fine Gael spin machine would have been telling us about how they were able to enact this massive job creation bonus out of the post Brexit calamity.
Are these customs officials already in training, enrolled in secrecy in some location?  or will there be a quick weekend course, an abbreviated version of the customs officer course and then learn on the fly?

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/23/dysons-move-shows-thatcherite-dream-free-market-brexit-dying/

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23 January 2019 • 9:00pm
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What was Sir James Dyson thinking? The decision by Britain's most successful pro-Brexit entrepreneur to choose such an inopportune moment to relocate the HQ of his eponymous empire to Singapore is a gift to the Remainer establishment.
Symbolism is what matters in politics: the fact that only two employees are moving, and that Dyson is continuing to invest vast amounts in the UK, will go unnoticed. His critics will only remember that he is engineering his very own Dysexit, and the Leavers now have one fewer entrepreneur at their disposal to make the bullish case for post-Brexit Britain.
Yet while the "optics" are bad – and Sir James maintains in our business pages that the move has nothing to do with Brexit – he is being ruthlessly consistent. The vision of Leave-supporting entrepreneurs like him came in two parts: a radical break with the EU, including single market regulations, and for the UK to rebuild its economy by encouraging wealth-creation.
Two-and-a-half years after the referendum, the chances of getting either are receding: under Theresa May's deal, even shorn of the backstop, we would remain subject to all kinds of heavy-handed rules. With the chances of a retro-socialist Jeremy Corbyn government also rising, Dyson must have felt compelled to take matters into his own hands.
He isn't leaving because he's changed his mind on the desirability of a real Brexit. He isn't leaving because his firm would be damaged: the impact of no deal would be trivial given the location of his markets and production facilities. He isn't relocating to the EU, or Norway: he isn't seeking to remain part of the single market, let alone the customs union. He is moving his HQ to Singapore, that low-tax, ultra competitive, pro-business city-state, the one place Remainers desperately say they don't want the UK to become.
Yes, Singapore recently signed a trade deal with the EU, and Dyson was already planning to build his electric car there. But it's ridiculously Eurocentric to obsess about one deal with the EU. Dyson will be selling cars all over the world from Singapore, and in some cases will face barriers. Yet the attractiveness of the country swamps everything else.
If they had any sense, the Tories would respond to Dyson's decision by concluding that we are not Brexiting in a radical enough way and that the chances of a Corbyn government are now too high to ignore. It is an indictment not of Brexit itself but of how it is being ruined by those entrusted with implementing it.
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I don't know of a single pro-Brexit business leader who is anything but despondent: they are aghast at Mrs May's dithering, at the amateurishness of her dealings with the EU, at her almost deliberate talking down of the economy. They can barely believe how the Treasury and other powerful Remain forces have failed to lay the grounds for no deal, how they have done nothing to cut taxes or to bolster competitiveness, how they still maintain that all of our regulations are perfect, and how a once in 50 year opportunity to engineer an economic renaissance is being squandered.
All are increasingly worried that we could be about to face a Corbyn government determined to confiscate swathes of corporate Britain, aided and abetted by rebel Tory MPs, the Government's betrayal of Brexit voters and its pathetic inability to make the case for capitalism. Yet none of these entrepreneurs has suddenly embraced Remain. They are bearish on the UK because their dream of a rejuvenated, free-trading Britain is dying, sabotaged by an establishment in denial about the need for Britain to adopt an economic model fit for a globalised world.
It is not just Brexiteers who believe the UK is becoming uncompetitive. Gopichand Hinduja, a Remainer whose family controls a £20.6 billion fortune, thinks taxes are driving people away. "There used to be a lot of ease of doing business," he says. "Now, with changes in tax – doms, non-doms – they have made so many complications that people don't even know what returns they have to file," he told the Sunday Telegraph. "I have found many of my rich friends – billionaires – have left London and become residents either in Dubai or Singapore or Lebanon." 
The tragic reality is that the free-market, low-tax Brexit backed by Thatcherites and libertarians no longer appears to be a likely outcome of the machinations of the next few weeks. If we do technically leave the EU, it will probably be through an adulterated variant of Mrs May's dour, pessimistic, useless deal, one that means we end up saddled with much of the EU's acquis communautaire. It will be a case of more managed decline, Eurozone-style. 
In her Bruges speech, Lady Thatcher grounded her opposition to political integration in her support for individual freedom, bottom-up decision-making and free-markets. "Just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions [...], there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level."
These words launched a thousand Eurosceptic vessels: from that day on, most British free-marketeers became increasingly anti-EU; without that movement, the referendum would never have been called. If you want to know what could have been had the right people taken power after June 2016, rewatch Martin Durkin's brilliant Brexit: The Movie. The documentary was shared like a modern-day Samizdat prior to the referendum; it didn't mention immigration once yet made an extraordinarily powerful case for the kind of capitalist Brexit that Thatcherites always dreamt of.
Is it all over? Or could we still end up with a radically liberalising Brexit, one that repositions Britain as an entrepot economy specialising in trade, technology, finance and science, a high-skilled hub that attracts wealth and talent to the UK, a link between East and West that encourages the next generation of Dysons to relocate to our shores, rather than flee them? Yes, of course – but then again I do believe in miracles.

[sid waddell]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/23/dysons-move-shows-thatcherite-dream-free-market-brexit-dying/

Dyson's move shows that the Thatcherite dream of a free-market Brexit is dying
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Allister Heath
23 January 2019 • 9:00pm
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What was Sir James Dyson thinking? The decision by Britain's most successful pro-Brexit entrepreneur to choose such an inopportune moment to relocate the HQ of his eponymous empire to Singapore is a gift to the Remainer establishment.
Symbolism is what matters in politics: the fact that only two employees are moving, and that Dyson is continuing to invest vast amounts in the UK, will go unnoticed. His critics will only remember that he is engineering his very own Dysexit, and the Leavers now have one fewer entrepreneur at their disposal to make the bullish case for post-Brexit Britain.
Yet while the "optics" are bad – and Sir James maintains in our business pages that the move has nothing to do with Brexit – he is being ruthlessly consistent. The vision of Leave-supporting entrepreneurs like him came in two parts: a radical break with the EU, including single market regulations, and for the UK to rebuild its economy by encouraging wealth-creation.
Two-and-a-half years after the referendum, the chances of getting either are receding: under Theresa May's deal, even shorn of the backstop, we would remain subject to all kinds of heavy-handed rules. With the chances of a retro-socialist Jeremy Corbyn government also rising, Dyson must have felt compelled to take matters into his own hands.
He isn't leaving because he's changed his mind on the desirability of a real Brexit. He isn't leaving because his firm would be damaged: the impact of no deal would be trivial given the location of his markets and production facilities. He isn't relocating to the EU, or Norway: he isn't seeking to remain part of the single market, let alone the customs union. He is moving his HQ to Singapore, that low-tax, ultra competitive, pro-business city-state, the one place Remainers desperately say they don't want the UK to become.
Yes, Singapore recently signed a trade deal with the EU, and Dyson was already planning to build his electric car there. But it's ridiculously Eurocentric to obsess about one deal with the EU. Dyson will be selling cars all over the world from Singapore, and in some cases will face barriers. Yet the attractiveness of the country swamps everything else.
If they had any sense, the Tories would respond to Dyson's decision by concluding that we are not Brexiting in a radical enough way and that the chances of a Corbyn government are now too high to ignore. It is an indictment not of Brexit itself but of how it is being ruined by those entrusted with implementing it.
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I don't know of a single pro-Brexit business leader who is anything but despondent: they are aghast at Mrs May's dithering, at the amateurishness of her dealings with the EU, at her almost deliberate talking down of the economy. They can barely believe how the Treasury and other powerful Remain forces have failed to lay the grounds for no deal, how they have done nothing to cut taxes or to bolster competitiveness, how they still maintain that all of our regulations are perfect, and how a once in 50 year opportunity to engineer an economic renaissance is being squandered.
All are increasingly worried that we could be about to face a Corbyn government determined to confiscate swathes of corporate Britain, aided and abetted by rebel Tory MPs, the Government's betrayal of Brexit voters and its pathetic inability to make the case for capitalism. Yet none of these entrepreneurs has suddenly embraced Remain. They are bearish on the UK because their dream of a rejuvenated, free-trading Britain is dying, sabotaged by an establishment in denial about the need for Britain to adopt an economic model fit for a globalised world.
It is not just Brexiteers who believe the UK is becoming uncompetitive. Gopichand Hinduja, a Remainer whose family controls a £20.6 billion fortune, thinks taxes are driving people away. "There used to be a lot of ease of doing business," he says. "Now, with changes in tax – doms, non-doms – they have made so many complications that people don't even know what returns they have to file," he told the Sunday Telegraph. "I have found many of my rich friends – billionaires – have left London and become residents either in Dubai or Singapore or Lebanon." 
The tragic reality is that the free-market, low-tax Brexit backed by Thatcherites and libertarians no longer appears to be a likely outcome of the machinations of the next few weeks. If we do technically leave the EU, it will probably be through an adulterated variant of Mrs May's dour, pessimistic, useless deal, one that means we end up saddled with much of the EU's acquis communautaire. It will be a case of more managed decline, Eurozone-style. 
In her Bruges speech, Lady Thatcher grounded her opposition to political integration in her support for individual freedom, bottom-up decision-making and free-markets. "Just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions [...], there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level."
These words launched a thousand Eurosceptic vessels: from that day on, most British free-marketeers became increasingly anti-EU; without that movement, the referendum would never have been called. If you want to know what could have been had the right people taken power after June 2016, rewatch Martin Durkin's brilliant Brexit: The Movie. The documentary was shared like a modern-day Samizdat prior to the referendum; it didn't mention immigration once yet made an extraordinarily powerful case for the kind of capitalist Brexit that Thatcherites always dreamt of.
Is it all over? Or could we still end up with a radically liberalising Brexit, one that repositions Britain as an entrepot economy specialising in trade, technology, finance and science, a high-skilled hub that attracts wealth and talent to the UK, a link between East and West that encourages the next generation of Dysons to relocate to our shores, rather than flee them? Yes, of course – but then again I do believe in miracles.

That article unwittingly shows why Fintan O'Toole's thesis on Brexit being a giant project of imagined victimhood and a fantasy longing for a return to the days of empire is spot on. 

[manfromdelmonte]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/23/dysons-move-shows-thatcherite-dream-free-market-brexit-dying/

Dyson's move shows that the Thatcherite dream of a free-market Brexit is dying
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Allister Heath
23 January 2019 • 9:00pm
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What was Sir James Dyson thinking? The decision by Britain's most successful pro-Brexit entrepreneur to choose such an inopportune moment to relocate the HQ of his eponymous empire to Singapore is a gift to the Remainer establishment.
Symbolism is what matters in politics: the fact that only two employees are moving, and that Dyson is continuing to invest vast amounts in the UK, will go unnoticed. His critics will only remember that he is engineering his very own Dysexit, and the Leavers now have one fewer entrepreneur at their disposal to make the bullish case for post-Brexit Britain.
Yet while the "optics" are bad – and Sir James maintains in our business pages that the move has nothing to do with Brexit – he is being ruthlessly consistent. The vision of Leave-supporting entrepreneurs like him came in two parts: a radical break with the EU, including single market regulations, and for the UK to rebuild its economy by encouraging wealth-creation.
Two-and-a-half years after the referendum, the chances of getting either are receding: under Theresa May's deal, even shorn of the backstop, we would remain subject to all kinds of heavy-handed rules. With the chances of a retro-socialist Jeremy Corbyn government also rising, Dyson must have felt compelled to take matters into his own hands.
He isn't leaving because he's changed his mind on the desirability of a real Brexit. He isn't leaving because his firm would be damaged: the impact of no deal would be trivial given the location of his markets and production facilities. He isn't relocating to the EU, or Norway: he isn't seeking to remain part of the single market, let alone the customs union. He is moving his HQ to Singapore, that low-tax, ultra competitive, pro-business city-state, the one place Remainers desperately say they don't want the UK to become.
Yes, Singapore recently signed a trade deal with the EU, and Dyson was already planning to build his electric car there. But it's ridiculously Eurocentric to obsess about one deal with the EU. Dyson will be selling cars all over the world from Singapore, and in some cases will face barriers. Yet the attractiveness of the country swamps everything else.
If they had any sense, the Tories would respond to Dyson's decision by concluding that we are not Brexiting in a radical enough way and that the chances of a Corbyn government are now too high to ignore. It is an indictment not of Brexit itself but of how it is being ruined by those entrusted with implementing it.
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I don't know of a single pro-Brexit business leader who is anything but despondent: they are aghast at Mrs May's dithering, at the amateurishness of her dealings with the EU, at her almost deliberate talking down of the economy. They can barely believe how the Treasury and other powerful Remain forces have failed to lay the grounds for no deal, how they have done nothing to cut taxes or to bolster competitiveness, how they still maintain that all of our regulations are perfect, and how a once in 50 year opportunity to engineer an economic renaissance is being squandered.
All are increasingly worried that we could be about to face a Corbyn government determined to confiscate swathes of corporate Britain, aided and abetted by rebel Tory MPs, the Government's betrayal of Brexit voters and its pathetic inability to make the case for capitalism. Yet none of these entrepreneurs has suddenly embraced Remain. They are bearish on the UK because their dream of a rejuvenated, free-trading Britain is dying, sabotaged by an establishment in denial about the need for Britain to adopt an economic model fit for a globalised world.
It is not just Brexiteers who believe the UK is becoming uncompetitive. Gopichand Hinduja, a Remainer whose family controls a £20.6 billion fortune, thinks taxes are driving people away. "There used to be a lot of ease of doing business," he says. "Now, with changes in tax – doms, non-doms – they have made so many complications that people don't even know what returns they have to file," he told the Sunday Telegraph. "I have found many of my rich friends – billionaires – have left London and become residents either in Dubai or Singapore or Lebanon." 
The tragic reality is that the free-market, low-tax Brexit backed by Thatcherites and libertarians no longer appears to be a likely outcome of the machinations of the next few weeks. If we do technically leave the EU, it will probably be through an adulterated variant of Mrs May's dour, pessimistic, useless deal, one that means we end up saddled with much of the EU's acquis communautaire. It will be a case of more managed decline, Eurozone-style. 
In her Bruges speech, Lady Thatcher grounded her opposition to political integration in her support for individual freedom, bottom-up decision-making and free-markets. "Just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions [...], there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level."
These words launched a thousand Eurosceptic vessels: from that day on, most British free-marketeers became increasingly anti-EU; without that movement, the referendum would never have been called. If you want to know what could have been had the right people taken power after June 2016, rewatch Martin Durkin's brilliant Brexit: The Movie. The documentary was shared like a modern-day Samizdat prior to the referendum; it didn't mention immigration once yet made an extraordinarily powerful case for the kind of capitalist Brexit that Thatcherites always dreamt of.
Is it all over? Or could we still end up with a radically liberalising Brexit, one that repositions Britain as an entrepot economy specialising in trade, technology, finance and science, a high-skilled hub that attracts wealth and talent to the UK, a link between East and West that encourages the next generation of Dysons to relocate to our shores, rather than flee them? Yes, of course – but then again I do believe in miracles.

that is completely laughable

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/23/dysons-move-shows-thatcherite-dream-free-market-brexit-dying/

Dyson's move shows that the Thatcherite dream of a free-market Brexit is dying
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Allister Heath
23 January 2019 • 9:00pm
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What was Sir James Dyson thinking? The decision by Britain's most successful pro-Brexit entrepreneur to choose such an inopportune moment to relocate the HQ of his eponymous empire to Singapore is a gift to the Remainer establishment.
Symbolism is what matters in politics: the fact that only two employees are moving, and that Dyson is continuing to invest vast amounts in the UK, will go unnoticed. His critics will only remember that he is engineering his very own Dysexit, and the Leavers now have one fewer entrepreneur at their disposal to make the bullish case for post-Brexit Britain.
Yet while the "optics" are bad – and Sir James maintains in our business pages that the move has nothing to do with Brexit – he is being ruthlessly consistent. The vision of Leave-supporting entrepreneurs like him came in two parts: a radical break with the EU, including single market regulations, and for the UK to rebuild its economy by encouraging wealth-creation.
Two-and-a-half years after the referendum, the chances of getting either are receding: under Theresa May's deal, even shorn of the backstop, we would remain subject to all kinds of heavy-handed rules. With the chances of a retro-socialist Jeremy Corbyn government also rising, Dyson must have felt compelled to take matters into his own hands.
He isn't leaving because he's changed his mind on the desirability of a real Brexit. He isn't leaving because his firm would be damaged: the impact of no deal would be trivial given the location of his markets and production facilities. He isn't relocating to the EU, or Norway: he isn't seeking to remain part of the single market, let alone the customs union. He is moving his HQ to Singapore, that low-tax, ultra competitive, pro-business city-state, the one place Remainers desperately say they don't want the UK to become.
Yes, Singapore recently signed a trade deal with the EU, and Dyson was already planning to build his electric car there. But it's ridiculously Eurocentric to obsess about one deal with the EU. Dyson will be selling cars all over the world from Singapore, and in some cases will face barriers. Yet the attractiveness of the country swamps everything else.
If they had any sense, the Tories would respond to Dyson's decision by concluding that we are not Brexiting in a radical enough way and that the chances of a Corbyn government are now too high to ignore. It is an indictment not of Brexit itself but of how it is being ruined by those entrusted with implementing it.
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I don't know of a single pro-Brexit business leader who is anything but despondent: they are aghast at Mrs May's dithering, at the amateurishness of her dealings with the EU, at her almost deliberate talking down of the economy. They can barely believe how the Treasury and other powerful Remain forces have failed to lay the grounds for no deal, how they have done nothing to cut taxes or to bolster competitiveness, how they still maintain that all of our regulations are perfect, and how a once in 50 year opportunity to engineer an economic renaissance is being squandered.
All are increasingly worried that we could be about to face a Corbyn government determined to confiscate swathes of corporate Britain, aided and abetted by rebel Tory MPs, the Government's betrayal of Brexit voters and its pathetic inability to make the case for capitalism. Yet none of these entrepreneurs has suddenly embraced Remain. They are bearish on the UK because their dream of a rejuvenated, free-trading Britain is dying, sabotaged by an establishment in denial about the need for Britain to adopt an economic model fit for a globalised world.
It is not just Brexiteers who believe the UK is becoming uncompetitive. Gopichand Hinduja, a Remainer whose family controls a £20.6 billion fortune, thinks taxes are driving people away. "There used to be a lot of ease of doing business," he says. "Now, with changes in tax – doms, non-doms – they have made so many complications that people don't even know what returns they have to file," he told the Sunday Telegraph. "I have found many of my rich friends – billionaires – have left London and become residents either in Dubai or Singapore or Lebanon." 
The tragic reality is that the free-market, low-tax Brexit backed by Thatcherites and libertarians no longer appears to be a likely outcome of the machinations of the next few weeks. If we do technically leave the EU, it will probably be through an adulterated variant of Mrs May's dour, pessimistic, useless deal, one that means we end up saddled with much of the EU's acquis communautaire. It will be a case of more managed decline, Eurozone-style. 
In her Bruges speech, Lady Thatcher grounded her opposition to political integration in her support for individual freedom, bottom-up decision-making and free-markets. "Just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions [...], there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level."
These words launched a thousand Eurosceptic vessels: from that day on, most British free-marketeers became increasingly anti-EU; without that movement, the referendum would never have been called. If you want to know what could have been had the right people taken power after June 2016, rewatch Martin Durkin's brilliant Brexit: The Movie. The documentary was shared like a modern-day Samizdat prior to the referendum; it didn't mention immigration once yet made an extraordinarily powerful case for the kind of capitalist Brexit that Thatcherites always dreamt of.
Is it all over? Or could we still end up with a radically liberalising Brexit, one that repositions Britain as an entrepot economy specialising in trade, technology, finance and science, a high-skilled hub that attracts wealth and talent to the UK, a link between East and West that encourages the next generation of Dysons to relocate to our shores, rather than flee them? Yes, of course – but then again I do believe in miracles.

that is completely laughable

No deal was about driving down wages by stripping out social protection, pensions, slashing taxes by killing the NHS and generating huge profits. Now the dream has died so Dyson fucked off to Singapore. That Telegraph article is quite significant imo

[north_antrim_hound]

Dyson moving, Rees-Mogg moving his fund management company to Dublin for post Brexit reasons,You've had John Redwood advising investors to avoid the UK, Nigel Lawson going for French residency and Nigel Farage applying for German citizenship through his wife. True Brexit believers, all of them.

[mouview]

Could today be finally the day when the whole momentum started moving slowly to Remain? Nicola Sturgeon last night lambasted Teresa May again over her intransigence and desire to pander to her party right-wing. On C4 news the night before last, all Welsh politicans (save UKIPpers) and farming leaders all but admitted voting Leave was a ghastly mistake, the implications of which are now becoming all too clear. Today Union leaders' pleas for May to delay / change Brexit have fallen on deaf ears. The Airbus CEO has spoken this morning of the catastrophe a no-deal would have for their jobs and progress.

At what point does the snowball become an avalanche?

[johnnycool]

Could today be finally the day when the whole momentum started moving slowly to Remain? Nicola Sturgeon last night lambasted Teresa May again over her intransigence and desire to pander to her party right-wing. On C4 news the night before last, all Welsh politicans (save UKIPpers) and farming leaders all but admitted voting Leave was a ghastly mistake, the implications of which are now becoming all too clear. Today Union leaders' pleas for May to delay / change Brexit have fallen on deaf ears. The Airbus CEO has spoken this morning of the catastrophe a no-deal would have for their jobs and progress.

At what point does the snowball become an avalanche?

Project fear blah blah blah.

Britain will rule the waves once more.

[seafoid]

Could today be finally the day when the whole momentum started moving slowly to Remain? Nicola Sturgeon last night lambasted Teresa May again over her intransigence and desire to pander to her party right-wing. On C4 news the night before last, all Welsh politicans (save UKIPpers) and farming leaders all but admitted voting Leave was a ghastly mistake, the implications of which are now becoming all too clear. Today Union leaders' pleas for May to delay / change Brexit have fallen on deaf ears. The Airbus CEO has spoken this morning of the catastrophe a no-deal would have for their jobs and progress.

At what point does the snowball become an avalanche?

The Telegraph threw in the towel on no deal as well
The economic projections of Project Fear have materialised too
Patisserie Valerie was owned by a prominent headbanger and has collapsed 

Brexit is a very long way from the 1988 county final.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Unfortunately, it'll take much more hard evidence battering the head of the average - thick as a 6" block... laid across the footing - english voter for much longer than is possible to get it into their unbelievably dense skulls, that maybe, just maybe, leaving the EU and allowing the clowns at Westminster to negotiate deals with the rest of the world while deliberately moving away from the* most wealthy trading block on the planet at their doorstep is not a good idea.


*if its not the most wealthy, its the 2nd most wealthy to China.

[haranguerer]

Could today be finally the day when the whole momentum started moving slowly to Remain? Nicola Sturgeon last night lambasted Teresa May again over her intransigence and desire to pander to her party right-wing. On C4 news the night before last, all Welsh politicans (save UKIPpers) and farming leaders all but admitted voting Leave was a ghastly mistake, the implications of which are now becoming all too clear. Today Union leaders' pleas for May to delay / change Brexit have fallen on deaf ears. The Airbus CEO has spoken this morning of the catastrophe a no-deal would have for their jobs and progress.

At what point does the snowball become an avalanche?

Nicola Sturgeon and the news on C4 are regarded in a similar light by brexiteers. They will not be passing any remarks.

[Aaron Boone]

The hope is Yvette Cooper's amendment to delay Art 50 and thus Brexit. I think that will pass In Westminster and as a poster said here, it's priced-in already in the fx markets - so no-deal not expected. The silence from Mrs May is deafening, she has given up.

[mouview]

Unfortunately, it'll take much more hard evidence battering the head of the average - thick as a 6" block... laid across the footing - english voter for much longer than is possible to get it into their unbelievably dense skulls, that maybe, just maybe, leaving the EU and allowing the clowns at Westminster to negotiate deals with the rest of the world while deliberately moving away from the* most wealthy trading block on the planet at their doorstep is not a good idea.


*if its not the most wealthy, its the 2nd most wealthy to China.

And Welsh. Again, on C4 news this evening, a father of an Airbus worker said he voted 'Leave' and would do so again. "I didn't vote for my son" he said. Nothing short of flabbergasting.

[sid waddell]

Unfortunately, it'll take much more hard evidence battering the head of the average - thick as a 6" block... laid across the footing - english voter for much longer than is possible to get it into their unbelievably dense skulls, that maybe, just maybe, leaving the EU and allowing the clowns at Westminster to negotiate deals with the rest of the world while deliberately moving away from the* most wealthy trading block on the planet at their doorstep is not a good idea.


*if its not the most wealthy, its the 2nd most wealthy to China.

And Welsh. Again, on C4 news this evening, a father of an Airbus worker said he voted 'Leave' and would do so again. "I didn't vote for my son" he said. Nothing short of flabbergasting.

And then there was a woman who was offended at the EU TELLING!!! her to eat a certain type of banana.

She sounded English, though.

Anybody for a packet of prawn cocktail crisps?