Ulster Club SFC 2024

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LC

Not too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

Walter Cronc

Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

Sportacus

Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!
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Ronnie

Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

It's definitely not. 

general_lee

Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.

WT4E

Quote from: general_lee on October 08, 2024, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.

I always associated Clann Eireann with Kilwilkee? Hardly middle class. Maybe got that totally wrong

Rebel84

Quote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

It's definitely not. 

Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?

general_lee

Quote from: WT4E on October 08, 2024, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 08, 2024, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?
Lurgan is traditionally a proud working-class town and that would be reflected in the clubs memberships. I'd say Clann Éireann attract slightly more middle-class members solely because most of the recent private housing developments in the last 20-30 years has been in north Lurgan.

I always associated Clann Eireann with Kilwilkee? Hardly middle class. Maybe got that totally wrong
Yeah their main pitch is beside Kilwilke. They share Kilwilke and rest of north Lurgan catchment area with St Peter's.

ranch

Clann Eireann are very much associated with Kilwilkee. I wouldn't imagine their membership make up is much different than the other clubs in Lurgan.

Amazing work by Lurgan clubs in recent years that has contributed massively to Armagh's success. Compare this to a larger town like Newry, which has a huge nationalist/republican population, and the impact it has in Down GAA terms. Newry Shamrocks and Bosco both compete as middling intermediate sides and Mitchels haven't fielded in recent years.

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Quote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PM
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Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

It's definitely not. 

Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?

I'd guess some of the clubs in Down would be from more middle class areas - Burren, Warrenpoint and Rostrevor for example?

imtommygunn

I'd imagine the south belfast / periphery ones like carryduff and bredagh would be up there money wise.

Armagh18

Burren would be well backed ££

Take the Mark

Quote from: Rebel84 on October 08, 2024, 11:03:50 AM
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Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

It's definitely not. 

Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?

When discussing St Brigids it is worth noting that foreby all their wealthy members that the old adage 'You cant buy class' rings more true than ever.

JimStynes

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Quote from: general_lee on October 06, 2024, 08:32:27 PMI think they're the biggest club in the county by membership.

They won this year's minor championship, they're in the SFC final, their second string reached the IFC semifinals, their ladies are LGFA SFC champions, their junior ladies reached the final as well. They also won the LGFA minor championship.
How does having their affairs in order and seemingly being a well run club to achieve that make them a super club like in Dublin? Are they getting on outside players, big managers etc?
They've had outside players in the past. They've had outside managers in the past. They were coached last year by an outsider, not sure if this is still the case. Some of their best players' parents wouldn't be locals either. Of course none of these are pre-requisites for super-club status (imo). They're a big club with a big catchment area and they're well run as you say.

I'd say they have had as many outside players as any other club in Ireland.

Similar to the players parents point, where again a lot of people on any team will have a parent from another area.

On their catchment area, I wouldn't call it big whatsoever, especially in comparison with other town teams. Also, their catchment area also has a club from half a mile away competing for players too.
Out of the Lurgan clubs they've always got the blow-ins transfer wise, not that there are too many that come to Lurgan to begin with.

I'd love to know what you call a big catchment area if you don't think theirs is big. Majority of all new build development in the last 30 years has happened in north Lurgan. When the Heffrons, Turbitts, McCambridges et al settled in Lurgan with a choice between St Peter's & CE, there's only ever going to be one winner.

Their catchment area isn't big when you compare it to other town teams. Think of the likes of Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Cookstown or Strabane who would all have the pick of their towns.
Lurgan is bigger than all those towns bar Portadown. The electoral wards that make up Lurgan amount to a population just over 30k, approx 62% of which we can allow for GAA (18k). Clann Éireann have the lion's share of this.


My point is that most bigger towns usually have 1 team in the town, which would definitely give them as big a pick, if not bigger, than Clann Eireann, especially given the fact you have 4 other clubs in the area. Anybody got the member numbers per club in each county?

A 3 mile radius from CE club and you have St. Peter's, St Mary's Aghagallon, St Paul's, Clan Na Gael, Eire Og, Wolfe Tones. And then Sarsfields a few mile further out the road. CE are a great club even outside of football when you consider they have a thriving netball club and successful handball club too. Lurgan is very much a GAA town now! You see nothing but children running about in their GAA club and county gear. Great to see.

bennydorano

CE Cycling club still going?

Kidder81

Quote from: Take the Mark on October 08, 2024, 11:57:11 AM
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Quote from: Ronnie on October 07, 2024, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 07, 2024, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: LC on October 07, 2024, 06:44:27 PMNot too familiar with Lurgan but is there a tendency for middle class people to align more with a specific club or clubs?

The GAA is a middle class sport!

It's definitely not. 

Also think it depends on the club. Can mind years ago St. Brigid's in Antrim owned an expensive mini bus to take their players to games, and in Tyrone Omagh have their own branded mini-bus. who do y'all reckon would be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the North?

When discussing St Brigids it is worth noting that foreby all their wealthy members that the old adage 'You cant buy class' rings more true than ever.


Have they any notion of getting their own facilities ?