I see that four young lads from Sarsfields were attacked on Sunday on their way to a match in Dunloy by a loyalist mob. The thugs threw a banger at the car when they noticed the boys were wearing GAA jerseys. The banger exploded causing the windscreen to shatter and according to reports the PSNI looked on and did nothing to apprehend the culprits.
Heres some questions for our 26 county brethern to consider:
Can you imagine being endangered simply because you wear a GAA jersey?
Can you appreciate the risks that Gaels have to take in the 6 cos simply to be members of the GAA?
It is interesting to note that this attaked occurred in the wake of Gregor Campbell's comments in which he demanded that the GAA become "progressive"
I have yet to hear Mr Campbell codemn this attack on these lads - but sure who cares they're only GAA men.
It still goes to show that ambiguous statements from loyalist politicians will provide the encouragement - if any is needed - to unleash the bitterness and bigotry that defines loyalism.
But as Campbell cackles about the need for the GAA to change it is evident that his efforts would be best spent trying to change the attitude of his followers to become more tolerant and accepting of others, But, hey, then again pigs might fly and I'm not talking about the new PSNI helicopter.
Plus ca change ....................
QuoteHeres some questions for our 26 county brethern to consider:
Are you inferring that your 26 county brethern are ignorant of the facts relating to what happens, and has happened in our other six counties. If you are then you have a lot of considering to do yourself.
QuoteCan you imagine being endangered simply because you wear a GAA jersey?
yes, can well imagine, endangerment is one thing but getting out of a helicopter that lands beside a young lad while he was actually playing a game and hitting him in the face with a rifle butt like what happened in Crossmaglen some years ago was worse. I fairness, the boys from Cross did something about it.
The actions of these thugs should not be let go without redress and surely, as a first step, the PSNI who were present and did nothing are as guilty as the ones with the firecracker. That being the case, try contact Gerry or Martin, they are now all inclusive members of the PSNI, which a lot of your 26 county brethern are not particularly happy about.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
QuoteHeres some questions for our 26 county brethern to consider:
Are you inferring that your 26 county brethern are ignorant of the facts relating to what happens, and has happened in our other six counties. If you are then you have a lot of considering to do yourself.
QuoteCan you imagine being endangered simply because you wear a GAA jersey?
yes, can well imagine, endangerment is one thing but getting out of a helicopter that lands beside a young lad while he was actually playing a game and hitting him in the face with a rifle butt like whet happened in Crossmaglen some years ago was worse. I fairness, the boys from Cross did something about it.
The actions of these thugs should not be let go without redress and surely as a firts step the PSNI who were present and did nothing are as guilty as the ones with the firecracker. That being the case, try contact Gerry or Martin, they are now all inclusive members of the PSNI, which a lot of your 26 county brethern are not particularly happy about.
They wouldn't want to upset anyone at a very delicate time for the peace process - do you not know that we're at a very important crossroads in the entire peace process ?? ;)
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
yes, can well imagine, endangerment is one thing but getting out of a helicopter that lands beside a young lad while he was actually playing a game and hitting him in the face with a rifle butt like what happened in Crossmaglen some years ago was worse. I fairness, the boys from Cross did something about it.
Eh what's this now?
Quote from: corn02 on November 04, 2008, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
yes, can well imagine, endangerment is one thing but getting out of a helicopter that lands beside a young lad while he was actually playing a game and hitting him in the face with a rifle butt like what happened in Crossmaglen some years ago was worse. I fairness, the boys from Cross did something about it.
Eh what's this now?
corn i reckon someone's blowing bubbles...
This is the first i have heard of the gun butting incident aswell . Please do tell more.
to be fair Bud,
I'd say 95% of people south of the border do not know of any let alone some of the events that happen - incidents that are the persecution of people simply because they are members of GAA or players of Gaelic games.
these incidents were part of the problem that helped kick off the move to fight back and use of guns etc in the late 60's early 70's
so this kind of crap still goes on.
the psni are noted for intentionally doing nothing 'for' nationalists in ni.
disgraceful then and disgraceful now.
I wish more people would hear about these atrocious incidents - though similar happens rugby teams from Donegal and presumably Cavan and monaghan as well when they play awaygames throughout ni in the 'Ulster league' & cups
Quote from: Teachtaire on November 04, 2008, 09:35:05 AM
] and according to reports the PSNI looked on and did nothing to apprehend the culprits.
Whose reports......
There was a report of a car on the Westlink sustaining damage to the windscreen after being hit by a firecracker.
CAR LOAD FROM MY CLUB WHICH INCLUDED TWO PENSIONERS AND TWO PLAYERS WHERE ONCE STOPPED BY UDR/RIR/UVF HELD FACE DOWN WITH A GUN TO THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS. WHEN THROW IN TIME CAME THEY LET THEM GO AND SAID TO THEM ENJOY SECOND HALF YOU FENION C**TS. THIS WAS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE IN 70"S 80"S AND EARLY 90"S. WE THEN OPEN CROKE PARK TO THEM WITH OPEN ARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What has the opening of Croke Park got to do with the UDR?
Well those of us down south can only be aware of this if its reported. I think this incident which ultimately only resulted in a broken windshield wont be considered news worthy and will largely go un-noticed. I got chased down a street in England one time as I passed bunch of skin-heads/national front types hanging around outside a pub. To my surprise I guess they're somewhat aware of GAA jersies or maybe it was just my accent. But that was just once in my lifetime and not a regular occurance so go figure.
I'd like to see the GAA and members of the Unionist community actively show that some work is being done on the issues of getting more of that community involved. At the moment I dont see a whole lot going on. Are will still playing the waiting game for them to come around?
Gaa followers in south where unawhere of this type of thing but this was a common accurrance week in week out the british propaganda machine made sure yous did not hear about.Rte banned the only voice we had at the time sinn feinn{agree with them or not they were the only voice we had} every nationalist and gaa player over 35 in the north of ireland can tell these tails. Especailly those in areas that where more hostile too british occupation.
Quote from: thejuice on November 04, 2008, 10:10:44 PM
Well those of us down south can only be aware of this if its reported. I think this incident which ultimately only resulted in a broken windshield wont be considered news worthy and will largely go un-noticed. I got chased down a street in England one time as I passed bunch of skin-heads/national front types hanging around outside a pub. To my surprise I guess they're somewhat aware of GAA jersies or maybe it was just my accent. But that was just once in my lifetime and not a regular occurance so go figure.
I'd like to see the GAA and members of the Unionist community actively show that some work is being done on the issues of getting more of that community involved. At the moment I dont see a whole lot going on. Are will still playing the waiting game for them to come around?
yep largely this was never reported in the media
I have seen actual incidents that were turned completely around by the reporting media - giving an anti Irish/nationalist slant to their articles so the nationalists were the aggressors rather than the victims!
as for GAA not doing anything about it and playing the waiting game, we have little choice
if one side dont want to play ball, theres not much you can do other than wait.
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 04, 2008, 10:31:01 PM
Rte banned the only voice we had at the time sinn fein
For good bloody reasons.
Quote from: cornafean on November 05, 2008, 10:13:18 AM
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 04, 2008, 10:31:01 PM
Rte banned the only voice we had at the time sinn fein
For good bloody reasons.
what were those 'good bloody reasons'?
do you recall this happening ?
What happened here (banger thrown at car resulting in broken windscreen) is unfortunately nowadays not newsworthy. The fact that the occupants were wearing GAA gear is imo irrelevant and just a sad indictment of society in general and not of any significant political consequence.
Just heard that 2 of our minors were hospitalized at the weekend here in Dublin after being attacked on the way home from the Cinema.......thankfully their injuries are not too serious although both needed stitches and one needs dental treatment. One of the lads always wears club gear and was presumably wearing it on the night of the assault. Scumbaggery involved here as I suspect was the recent case up north and not political. The fact that GAA gear was imo irrelevant.
Was told that it was a group of 7/8 fellow teenagers who "jumped them" after "asking for a light".
Canalman, you're right. The attack on the lads in Belafst was not political
IT WAS SECTARIAN
The morons who attacked these young lads are incapable of having a political thought. You have to bear in mind that the thugs who attacked these lads were returning from the British military parade and they singled out for attack for no other eason than their GAA jerseys. If it were a random attack then why were other vehicles not damaged?
By passing these deliberate, sectarian attacks of as mere, "scumbaggery," is a kop out. Such an approach fails to address the evil of sectarianism and it allows the loyalist rabble rousers of Cambell, Dodds, Robinson et al to squirm their way out of dealing with their responsibilities.
So this is not mere, "scumbaggery," it is something which is fuelled by hatred, intolerance and inability to accept anybody which is not part of their sub-culture.
Reminds me of the time the woman drove through New Buildings with a Tyrone flag on the car (Think it was that anyway, one of the small ones that are attached on and generally left permanantly). The car was attacked and all the bigots blamed her for flying her county flag.
Supposedly she should have stopped somewhere every time she went on a road through a Protestant area and removed the flag despite it being a main through road. Yet if a bus full of Orange men drive through Strabane shouting insults and have anything thrown at them it's not their fault.
Which is it?
(If someone has better details on the New Buildings stuff please let them be known, my memory is vague on it all)
Illdecide. Quote.
Quotecorn i reckon someone's blowing bubbles...
I don't want to turn this into an argument but in fairness you were probably blowing bubbles at the time or playing with your rattler. As far as I can remember it was around 1970-1975 ( I was 20-25yrs then and Francie Bellew was in a pram) and it was reported in both the Sunday Worst and An Poblacht. It was also referred to in a report about the Brits own intellegence in some forum like the link below.
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary (http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary)
I have "googled" 'till I am sick of it and can not find anything relating to the article or the incident now but I certainly remember it as I am sure does the young lad who got the butt oif the rifle in the mouth. There should be plenty from Cross on here who can confirm it but either way, he was actually on the field of play and it was a hurling match. I am just making the point that not all of us are ignorant of the fact of what goes on up there in our six counties and sometimes it annoys me. I think the young lads name could have been O'Hare but I am sure sooner or later some of the Crossmaglen Rangers boys will correct me, but then again, I didn't write the story at the time - "I am an innocent mOn"
Corn give us what you call "good bloody reasons"
Maybe you where happy that gaa players and fans here north of this island where treated in this way!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 05, 2008, 06:02:01 PM
Illdecide. Quote.
Quotecorn i reckon someone's blowing bubbles...
I don't want to turn this into an argument but in fairness you were probably blowing bubbles at the time or playing with your rattler. As far as I can remember it was around 1970-1975 ( I was 20-25yrs then and Francie Bellew was in a pram) and it was reported in both the Sunday Worst and An Poblacht. It was also referred to in a report about the Brits own intellegence in some forum like the link below.
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary (http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary)
I have "googled" 'till I am sick of it and can not find anything relating to the article or the incident now but I certainly remember it as I am sure does the young lad who got the butt oif the rifle in the mouth. There should be plenty from Cross on here who can confirm it but either way, he was actually on the field of play and it was a hurling match. I am just making the point that not all of us are ignorant of the fact of what goes on up there in our six counties and sometimes it annoys me. I think the young lads name could have been O'Hare but I am sure sooner or later some of the Crossmaglen Rangers boys will correct me, but then again, I didn't write the story at the time - "I am an innocent mOn"
Now we know you're definitely making it up :D ;)
QuoteIT WAS SECTARIAN
The morons who attacked these young lads are incapable of having a political thought.
Is it just me or is this paradoxical?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 05, 2008, 06:02:01 PM
Illdecide. Quote.
Quotecorn i reckon someone's blowing bubbles...
I don't want to turn this into an argument but in fairness you were probably blowing bubbles at the time or playing with your rattler. As far as I can remember it was around 1970-1975 ( I was 20-25yrs then and Francie Bellew was in a pram) and it was reported in both the Sunday Worst and An Poblacht. It was also referred to in a report about the Brits own intellegence in some forum like the link below.
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary (http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/99cov/%5Bint-free%5D_INT_101_summary)
I couldn't find a word there about the British Intelligence (an oxymoron), from their helicopter suveilling the Crossmaglen gaels doing their training manouveres on the pitch.
Anyway its an interesting link with a few 'did you knows' to pepper a lagging conversation with a republican.
'Movement Analysis program to the fight against the IRA -- and
the network of SIGINT and ELINT surveillance systems with aptly
descriptive code names, such as "Glutton" and "Vengeful" which
provide almost total 24-hour coverage of more than 1 million of
the 1.5 million population of Northern Ireland'.
'the economic cost of the Baltic Exchange Bomb was £32bn'That the lowest level of british intelligence information
would note that
'Sean Kelly and Seamus
Maguire met in a certain pub and had three pints of Guinness'.How the highest level of classified secret documents ended up in a dustbin and made their way to an Phoblacht.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
Are you inferring that your 26 county brethern are ignorant of the facts relating to what happens, and has happened in our other six counties. If you are then you have a lot of considering to do yourself.
Most are or simply don't care. it's the "im alright" sentiment that I've seen in my lifetime.
Quote from: cornafean on November 05, 2008, 10:13:18 AM
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 04, 2008, 10:31:01 PM
Rte banned the only voice we had at the time sinn fein
For good bloody reasons.
Cornafean has lost his tongue.That kind of attitude sickens me.RTE and the Irish Governments attitude to Sinn Fein at the height of the troubles was a disgrace IMO.Purely hypocrititcal.the British establishment had as much to answer to as Sinn Fein had, yet RTE and some people in the Dail could only see one side,and that was the British side.
Quote from: boojangles on November 06, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
Cornafean has lost his tongue.That kind of attitude sickens me.RTE and the Irish Governments attitude to Sinn Fein at the height of the troubles was a disgrace IMO.Purely hypocrititcal.the British establishment had as much to answer to as Sinn Fein had, yet RTE and some people in the Dail could only see one side,and that was the British side.
No I haven't, I just kept getting the following message when I tried to post:
"Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again. "
Anyway, the reasons why Section 31 was introduced in the 1970s are well known, as were the reasons why it was scrapped in the 1990s. I don't think it was unreasonable for spokesmen of certain organisations to be denied access to the State airwaves at a time when the same organisations (of all shades) were engaged in various campaigns of terror one of the aims of which was to subvert the State. How exactly letting the likes of Owen Carron, Caoimhghin O'Caolain or John McMichael onto RTE would have protected the victims of neanderthals like Billy Wright or Lenny Murphy is a bit beyond me. Anyway, thankfully, that's in the realms of history now.
QuoteNow we know you're definitely making it up
Don't shoot the messenger, I am only telling you what was said at the time, and you are right, there was a lot of stitching up people back then, some interned on trumped up or no charges so anything was possible in terms of what was reported to have happened.
(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00161/gaelic_161946b.jpg)
Brit Para's dressed as Maor Uisce's attack Crossmaglen Gaels and try to confiscate their football. (Man in centre later awarded the An Poblacht "A Chara" of the year award for holding onto the ball.
(http://k43.pbase.com/o4/96/198496/1/66417755.GEX0EASz.Kilkennyteam.jpg)
Crossmaglen Hurling Team. (Copyright GPA)
Bud if it happened it happened before my time, and certainly is not something that has ever been used in a political sense, which you would imagine would be the case. Mammy BC doesn't know anything about it either. There was plenty of harassment, physical searches, lined up along the wall, one near fatal stabbing, helicopters swooping low and landing on the pitch, wire fences being trampled down, being held for at least an hour as the Green caps smoked a fag, having guns pointed in your face, being pushed against cars/walls/fences or any other place that was handy, O'Neill's balls going into the barracks never to return or if they did there was a hole in them, but I can't think of any rifle butts in the face.
One or two people did develop skin cancer which was directly linked to the radioactive emissions from the infra-red lights spotted around the walls of the barracks, cold and hot cups of tea being fcuked at you as you walked past the Burocki Sanger, the car being ripped apart up to 15 times a day the time they had the Ring of Steel around the town to allow them to build a stronger barracks, the hateful acrid smell of helicopter fuel wafting down on you as you trained as they flew away from the barracks, but I still cannot recall the butt of a rifle in the face.
It probably did happen though at some stage as there were many incidents that happened around there, some of which I was direct witness to, that never made the front page of the news, as any more deaths than were already reported would be bad for moral. Better for them to die in a bus accident while on training in Canada or somewhere like that.
Quote from: cornafean on November 06, 2008, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: boojangles on November 06, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
Cornafean has lost his tongue.That kind of attitude sickens me.RTE and the Irish Governments attitude to Sinn Fein at the height of the troubles was a disgrace IMO.Purely hypocrititcal.the British establishment had as much to answer to as Sinn Fein had, yet RTE and some people in the Dail could only see one side,and that was the British side.
No I haven't, I just kept getting the following message when I tried to post:
"Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again. "
Anyway, the reasons why Section 31 was introduced in the 1970s are well known, as were the reasons why it was scrapped in the 1990s. I don't think it was unreasonable for spokesmen of certain organisations to be denied access to the State airwaves at a time when the same organisations (of all shades) were engaged in various campaigns of terror one of the aims of which was to subvert the State. How exactly letting the likes of Owen Carron, Caoimhghin O'Caolain or John McMichael onto RTE would have protected the victims of neanderthals like Billy Wright or Lenny Murphy is a bit beyond me. Anyway, thankfully, that's in the realms of history now.
I dunno what your point is there Cornafean.but my point is that it was total hypocrisy on the State and the State broadcasters behalf that was banning its fellow country men from Sinn Fein and its type on to the airwaves but at the same time when the British establishment was involved as much terrorist activity in Northern Ireland and the Republic(Dublin and Monaghan Bombings) but there was never an airwave ban put on them.Do you see my point?
Quote from: boojangles on November 06, 2008, 02:18:50 PM
I dunno what your point is there Cornafean.but my point is that it was total hypocrisy on the State and the State broadcasters behalf that was banning its fellow country men from Sinn Fein and its type on to the airwaves but at the same time when the British establishment was involved as much terrorist activity in Northern Ireland and the Republic(Dublin and Monaghan Bombings) but there was never an airwave ban put on them.Do you see my point?
I do see your point and there certainly was an element of hypocrisy involved. That said, I don't think there was ever much danger of the likes of Jack Hermon successfully using RTE as a tool to tempt gullible youngsters in the South to enlist for the RUC or MI5. The authorities in the South did feel that the presence of Sinn Fein on RTE would attract new recruits to the IRA, so in those respects there were good reasons for the ban, and the hypocrisy. Whether at this stage the benefit of hindsight justifies or undermines those reasons is really a matter for historians to ponder.
A west brit that boy is.