You know the GAA is in decline when they charge for young kids into games. I know people who have stopped bringing kids!
You know the GAA is in decline when you get games where no one kicks the ball.
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits determine rule changes.
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits with personal issues with Managers gets a outlet to abuse that power
You know the GAA is in decline when Players and Managers stop giving interviews
You know the GAA is in decline when ask amateur players to go out 3 weeks in a row to fulfill fixtures
You know the GAA is in decline when you don't have a clue between a Black, Red or Yellow Card
You know the GAA is in decline when the most exciting part of the Leinster final is a Streaker
You know the GAA is in decline when Sky forces people to go to the Pub to see a match
You know the GAA is in decline when Referees become to afraid make big decisions
You know the GAA is in decline when Red Card suspensions don't stand up because of Solicitors
Any one got any more?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
You know the GAA is in decline when they charge for young kids into games. I know people who have stopped bringing kids! Always did
You know the GAA is in decline when you get games where no one kicks the ball. Agreed
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits determine rule changes. ???
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits with personal issues with Managers gets a outlet to abuse that power: nothing to do with the GAA more a commercial newspaper/Broadcaster.
You know the GAA is in decline when Players and Managers stop giving interviews : as above
You know the GAA is in decline when ask amateur players to go out 3 weeks in a row to fulfill fixtures ; for 100 plus years folk complained only one game per year
You know the GAA is in decline when you don't have a clue between a Black, Red or Yellow Card: read the rules !!
You know the GAA is in decline when the most exciting part of the Leinster final is a Streaker : a bad game but if you prefer looking at a fat naked man with too much cider on board then you need an EGM with yourself .
You know the GAA is in decline when Sky forces people to go to the Pub to see a match : Sky force no one to the pub
You know the GAA is in decline when Referees become to afraid make big decisions ; ???
You know the GAA is in decline when Red Card suspensions don't stand up because of Solicitors:agree
Any one got any more?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
You know the GAA is in decline when they charge for young kids into games. I know people who have stopped bringing kids!
You know the GAA is in decline when you get games where no one kicks the ball.
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits determine rule changes.
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits with personal issues with Managers gets a outlet to abuse that power
You know the GAA is in decline when Players and Managers stop giving interviews
You know the GAA is in decline when ask amateur players to go out 3 weeks in a row to fulfill fixtures
You know the GAA is in decline when you don't have a clue between a Black, Red or Yellow Card
You know the GAA is in decline when the most exciting part of the Leinster final is a Streaker
You know the GAA is in decline when Sky forces people to go to the Pub to see a match
You know the GAA is in decline when Referees become to afraid make big decisions
You know the GAA is in decline when Red Card suspensions don't stand up because of Solicitors
Any one got any more?
You've more than enough Bunker, lol. You must have been pinting!!
Actually I thing the card thing is clear enough. Refs. are butchering it a bit though.
Referees are not afraid to make big decisions, but sometimes make too many poor big decisions.
Correct about kids being charged.
If Tyrone don t want to do interviews let them belt away. They do their talking on the pitch. Sir Alex refused to speak to the BBC was it? That was a good thing imo.
f**k the pundits and anybody that pays any heed to them.
Sky? Tough for elderly etc. but most people can always go to a game. Attendances are rubbish. So at least somebody is showing stuff that is minority interest. With attendances being so low at games maybe there are too many televised games? A trip to pub to watch in on Sky still probably cheaper than bringing family to a game as well?
The no kicking thing is a game in evolution. I know a lot of people have given up on the game (even in a relatively successful county like Mayo) but what do you do? Liam Sammon's Galway played lovely pure football but the Galways didn t come out in their droves to watch because they knew it was no longer a game that could beat the more 'practical' teams.
....when the umpires don't bother wearing white coats anymore!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
You know the GAA is in decline when they charge for young kids into games. I know people who have stopped bringing kids!
Bad form alright.
You know the GAA is in decline when you get games where no one kicks the ball.
Skills in football in decline, not the GAA itself.
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits determine rule changes.
The black card is not working
You know the GAA is in decline when pundits with personal issues with Managers gets a outlet to abuse that power
Not really a GAA problem.
You know the GAA is in decline when Players and Managers stop giving interviews
Who cares. They're all the same - respect the other team bla bla
You know the GAA is in decline when ask amateur players to go out 3 weeks in a row to fulfill fixtures
We're doomed so. Doomed I tell ya. Think of the poor junior players in North Mayo who hardly ever get a break from playing in different competitions
You know the GAA is in decline when you don't have a clue between a Black, Red or Yellow Card
Black card has caused confusion.
You know the GAA is in decline when the most exciting part of the Leinster final is a Streaker
Only saw amateur footage of this. Was listening to Connacht final instead
You know the GAA is in decline when Sky forces people to go to the Pub to see a match
It's bad form alright. At least the pundits are good.
You know the GAA is in decline when Referees become to afraid make big decisions
It must be in decline since God was a gasúr so
You know the GAA is in decline when Red Card suspensions don't stand up because of Solicitors
Agree. Amateur sport shouldn't need the law to sort out stuff.
Any one got any more?
When you fall asleep watching provincial finals.
Quote from: laoislad on July 19, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
When you fall asleep watching provincial finals.
You know the GAA is in decline when victorious supporters of certain counties goad / taunt / tease the opposition supporters with soccer chants.
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
When fans are too sophisticated to go to matches wearing either furry hats or paper mache constructions that drip the county colours in the rain.
When last of the choc ices is replaced by do you have any Sauvignon.
When Westmeath beat Meath
When Cork are bet and demoralised before the Galway races a couple of years in a row
When nobody can mediate between Throne and RTE
When the second best team in Leinster is Longford
When the best players in the county have no interest in playing for the county.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 19, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
This!
When life long GAA supporters like me, switch over to watch the Golf because I can't take another second of the complete and utter drivel served up by Donegal and Tyrone and by Galway and Roscommon the prior week.
and
When GAA managers say they don't care about entertaining the fans...
Time for the GAA to take a hard look at what is going on, I have many friends who have stopped going to matches and watching matches because of the defensive blanket. I would suggest the following rule changes BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
- TWO REFS FOR ALL INTER-COUNTY GAMES
THE MARK FOR SICKOUTS (which is coming in)
A MINIMUM OF FOUR PLAYERS IN THE OPPONENTS HALF OF THE FIELD AT ALL TIMES
A TIME CLOCK - WITH AUTOMATIC STOPPING OF THE CLOCK FOR THE LAST 3 MINUTES WHEN THE BALL IS NOT IN PLAY (INCLUDING FREE KICKS)
FOOTPASS REQUIRED AFTER 3 HANDPASSES.
I have never been as disillusioned on the state of the game as I am at the current time, it is becoming unwatchable and if things don't change people will vote by leaving plenty of empty seats at matches.
The mark will more or less spell the end of long kickouts.
Quote from: smort on July 19, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 19, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
This!
Ironically, I heard that an intercounty referee at the weekend ran in to tell his umpires not to go looking for a second ball and to stay and do the job they're supposed to do.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 19, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: smort on July 19, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 19, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
This!
Ironically, I heard that an intercounty referee at the weekend ran in to tell his umpires not to go looking for a second ball and to stay and do the job they're supposed to do.
Nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: tommysmith on July 19, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 19, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: smort on July 19, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 19, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
This!
Ironically, I heard that an intercounty referee at the weekend ran in to tell his umpires not to go looking for a second ball and to stay and do the job they're supposed to do.
Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, its not the umpires job to keep balls at the post.
Quote from: Boycey on July 19, 2016, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on July 19, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 19, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: smort on July 19, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 19, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Three times on Sunday the referee in Castlebar stopped the goalie from quickly kicking out the ball because there was a second ball on the field right beside the end line. Each time there was an umpire within a few metres of the ball, but they just stood there looking at the ball. The mind boggles
This!
Ironically, I heard that an intercounty referee at the weekend ran in to tell his umpires not to go looking for a second ball and to stay and do the job they're supposed to do.
Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, its not the umpires job to keep balls at the post.
I know. The posts previous to mine complained that an umpire wasn't getting the ball off the pitch.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Munster Hurling Final attendance was fairly small as well.
Money is going to downsize Irish rugby significantly. At least all the GAA tournaments are won in Ireland
All those sickouts make me sick tbf
You know the GAA is in decline when Westmeath don't get excited about getting to a Leinster final!
You know the GAA is in decline when players play for their county in the league in order to build up their profile to play in America for the summer.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
I wonder is this a generational thing. Perhaps those playing now enjoy the way the game is played and are happy as things are.
Those who played or watched football before the endless hand passes hanker after a lost game. It's hard to beat a midfielder pluck a ball out of the air, or a flying corner forward raise a crowd as he takes on his man. It has now got to the stage where the shoulder charge is basically redundant.
Like other posters I have also found myself turning over to watch something else, or read a newspaper whilst the match is on. I never thought it would reach that stage as in the past nothing was close to the football for me.
Can't really blame the managers as they must do what is required to win. If a team of the nineties played in their style against a team of today they would be beat out the gate.
There is no point criticising managers, or teams for that matter. I think the only way to deal with it is rule change. The marks a waste of time. The hand pass is the problem. Perhaps we could introduce the rule applicable in sevens where you cannot pass the ball back into your own half and limit hand passes to two in a row.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
A replay of two of the smallest populations in Leinster (roughly 80k each) with the game played on a working day?
You know the GAA is in decline when Referees are afraid of Some players legal team? ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
A replay of two of the smallest populations in Leinster (roughly 80k each) with the game played on a working day?
There are about three proper non-working days a year, pal.
Sunday is a working day these days.
The point was made that it was the lowest crowd at a Leinster final for 30 years. Which is an erroneous point.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 20, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
A replay of two of the smallest populations in Leinster (roughly 80k each) with the game played on a working day?
There are about three proper non-working days a year, pal.
Sunday is a working day these days.
The point was made that it was the lowest crowd at a Leinster final for 30 years. Which is an erroneous point.
Firstly, I'm not you PAL! I find a reply like that derogatory!
Secondly, Replays are renowned for lower attendances.
Thirdly, I'd say the original stat was based on non replays.
Fourthly, the game was played on a Saturday. I know because i was there!
Fifthly, as I said these are small counties population wise. That would be 80% of the optimum attendance you would expect at such a game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 20, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
A replay of two of the smallest populations in Leinster (roughly 80k each) with the game played on a working day?
There are about three proper non-working days a year, pal.
Sunday is a working day these days.
The point was made that it was the lowest crowd at a Leinster final for 30 years. Which is an erroneous point.
Firstly, I'm not you PAL! I find a reply like that derogatory!
Secondly, Replays are renowned for lower attendances.
Thirdly, I'd say the original stat was based on non replays.
Fourthly, the game was played on a Saturday. I know because i was there!
Fifthly, as I said these are small counties population wise. That would be 80% of the optimum attendance you would expect at such a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IfoUM6a4bA
when everones forget all previous bad games because there was one last week
PAL
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
The Leinster Football Final attendance for 2004 would be the combined attendance of the drawn game and the replay.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 20, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 19, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
When the Leinster football final has it's smallest attendance in over 30 years.
Lowest in 12 years.
38,300 attended the Westmeath-Laois replay in 2004.
A replay of two of the smallest populations in Leinster (roughly 80k each) with the game played on a working day?
There are about three proper non-working days a year, pal.
Sunday is a working day these days.
The point was made that it was the lowest crowd at a Leinster final for 30 years. Which is an erroneous point.
Firstly, I'm not you PAL! I find a reply like that derogatory!
Secondly, Replays are renowned for lower attendances.
Thirdly, I'd say the original stat was based on non replays.
Fourthly, the game was played on a Saturday. I know because i was there!
Fifthly, as I said these are small counties population wise. That would be 80% of the optimum attendance you would expect at such a game.
Sorry, bud.
Yes I know the game was played on a Saturday. Big GAA games are regularly played on a Saturday. All-Ireland finals have been played on Saturdays.
If Saturday is a "working day", then so is Sunday. I'm always puzzled about people calling Saturday a "working day", but not Sunday.
Again, the point is that it was stated that this year had the lowest Leinster final attendance for over 30 years. It's an attempt to assert a fact. Such a statement is either right or wrong. It's wrong.
And anyway, if people want to split hairs, I'd be pretty sure the attendance at the 1991 Leinster final was lower than this year's 39,000 from my memories of attending it.
You know the GAA is in decline when........the hurling pundits can't even talk up yesterdays quarter finals!
You know the GAA is in decline when........ A Division 1 Senior club game in Donegal finished 0-03 to 0-02
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 25, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
You know the GAA is in decline when........ A Division 1 Senior club game in Donegal finished 0-03 to 0-02
You know the GAA is in decline when........ there were 27 wides in that game also!
pitch invasions are banned
\the Uachtaran is a teacher
Rugby has better youth programmes
Fellas are retiring in their 20s with chronic conditions
They scrapped minor and U-21.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 06:00:20 PM
pitch invasions are banned
\the Uachtaran is a teacher
Rugby has better youth programmes
Fellas are retiring in their 20s with chronic conditions
What better youth programmes are in Rugby?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 06:00:20 PM
pitch invasions are banned
\the Uachtaran is a teacher
Rugby has better youth programmes
Fellas are retiring in their 20s with chronic conditions
What better youth programmes are in Rugby?
Yes interested in this answer.
This is my experience so maybe it is not representative . Our son did a few Leinster rugby camps and one football one . The rugby had a half hour chat at the start which I never saw at any other sports camp anywhere . Absolutely no bullying tolerated. The word of the coach is final.
I was talking to the fella in charge. He is a schools outreach person . Every Saturday they have 700 kids in Wexford. Something similar in Connacht. There is a special programme to pick up kids with potential, expose them to interpros then international. But there was also a focus on bringing everyone's talent on a bit. By focusing on technique.
I know a bit about ski programmes as well. They take promising talents and I thought the rugby was better. The skiers put a lot of focus on diet and S&C. In both cases there is a lot of insight. And a good bit of child psychology. Plus a relentless focus on technique.
Same with tennis. The best coaching gets the basics right.
The GAA camp was more haphazard. I don't think GAA coaching is top notch.
Rugby is in for a hard time now with the money situation vis a vis England and France but the sport is a direct competitor to the GAA so it wouldn't do to be complacent. How sports deal with chronic injuries will influence how parents view them.
I think the ongoing reign of Kilkenny is an indictment of coaching in the other counties as well. ::)
Interesting Seafoid but what is your barometer of success? To me it's all about player retention and statistically the GAA retains more players. I spent 4 years coaching on the development pathway for Leinster Rugby identifying and try to develop players for Leinster. The standard of youth coaching at club level is poor, teams are coached to win, skill development is neglected. Both codes and indeed probably all sports in Ireland are becoming to outcome focused and the fun is literally going out off sport for kids.
Make the Game 13 Aside - There will be more room, more kicking and an all round better game. Id add a video ref as well to sort out a lot of the silly stuff.
Meanwhile in Div 6 of the Co League or at u14 .........
Quote from: Quarterback on July 26, 2016, 10:33:48 AM
Make the Game 13 Aside - There will be more room, more kicking and an all round better game. Id add a video ref as well to sort out a lot of the silly stuff.
Agree wholeheartedly
When clubs run U10 or U12 tournaments at the end of the summer and insist on them being 15 a side with full rules. and a nice big cup for the winning team.
games turn into 'get it to the good lad' and the rest don't get a touch.
And our local gaa camp co-ordinator had a chat with all kids at the start - rules of camp, respect coaches, respect equipment, no bullying.
camp ran brilliantly.
To be honest I think the GAA as an organisation does quite well in youth development, and the holistic approach to coaching kids. Respect, enjoyment, participation, child welfare etc etc. I also know that the OTú model would be seen as one of the better coaching models in the world of sport. Istvan Balyi, who would be a recognised exponent of LTAD has hailed the GAA as being a very good model.
Perhaps in individual clubs where they don't emphasise that sort of development, there might be shortfalls, but I think the whole area of coaching and coach education has come on a lot in the GAA in the last 20 years.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 26, 2016, 11:27:07 AM
To be honest I think the GAA as an organisation does quite well in youth development, and the holistic approach to coaching kids. Respect, enjoyment, participation, child welfare etc etc. I also know that the OTú model would be seen as one of the better coaching models in the world of sport. Istvan Balyi, who would be a recognised exponent of LTAD has hailed the GAA as being a very good model.
Perhaps in individual clubs where they don't emphasise that sort of development, there might be shortfalls, but I think the whole area of coaching and coach education has come on a lot in the GAA in the last 20 years.
Yup - I think there has been massive advances in the overall standard of coaching for youngsters over the last generation - a generation or so back coaching was seriously haphazard with an awful lot of well-meaning but clueless stuff going on as everyone was left to their own devices.
The real one is when players of all levels couldn't be bothered playing for their clubs, the ongoing emergency that no one even talks about.
Quote from: Itchy on July 26, 2016, 07:20:34 PM
The real one is when players of all levels couldn't be bothered playing for their clubs, the ongoing emergency that no one even talks about.
Yep.
We've 18 & 19 year olds saying they couldn't be bothered.
A county board who give f-all notice of games so lads cannot plan their work schedules or family lives
Hardly any games all year then cram in 3 games in space of 10 days.
Quote from: seafoid on July 26, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
This is my experience so maybe it is not representative . Our son did a few Leinster rugby camps and one football one . The rugby had a half hour chat at the start which I never saw at any other sports camp anywhere . Absolutely no bullying tolerated. The word of the coach is final.
I was talking to the fella in charge. He is a schools outreach person . Every Saturday they have 700 kids in Wexford. Something similar in Connacht. There is a special programme to pick up kids with potential, expose them to interpros then international. But there was also a focus on bringing everyone's talent on a bit. By focusing on technique.
I know a bit about ski programmes as well. They take promising talents and I thought the rugby was better. The skiers put a lot of focus on diet and S&C. In both cases there is a lot of insight. And a good bit of child psychology. Plus a relentless focus on technique.
Same with tennis. The best coaching gets the basics right.
The GAA camp was more haphazard. I don't think GAA coaching is top notch.
Rugby is in for a hard time now with the money situation vis a vis England and France but the sport is a direct competitor to the GAA so it wouldn't do to be complacent. How sports deal with chronic injuries will influence how parents view them.
I think the ongoing reign of Kilkenny is an indictment of coaching in the other counties as well. ::)
Are you posh, Seafóid?
Do you live in G4?
You know the GAA is in decline when......................the gaa blame bad attendances on the Euros and bad weather.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=258723 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=258723)
Sure it's only Munster & Leinster! Sure that's only 50% of the provinces. He doesn't even mention the qualifiers which apart from the Mayo games were pitifully attended.
QuoteAnd Leinster has taken a drop because Dublin is so strong. So we accept that.
It's only going to get worse.
You know the GAA's in decline when.....you have the TV on in the background and you only glance at the Ulster final when the commentator shows any sign of interest!
Marty Mone sang at half time in a quarter-final match last year, can the GAA afford him this year?