May 21st Sligo v Kildare, Markievicz Park, 2.30pm
May 28th Dublin vs Roscommon, Croke Park, 4pm
Jun 3rd Kildare v Dublin, UPMC Nowlan Park, Kilkenny, 5pm (GAAGO)
June 4th Roscommon vs Sligo, Dr Hyde Park, 3pm (GAAGO)
June 17/18 Dublin v Sligo, TBD
June 17/18 Roscommon v Kildare, TBD
Well here we go, a nice handy starter for Ros after our warm up games against Galway and the Rhubarbs.
General opinion from neutral people I have spoken to over the last week is that Ros will do well to get out of Croker with a single digit beating. We would hope it would be closer than that and we might give the dubs cage a good rattle. Time will tell.
Sure we're being teetotally written off or ignored.
If we do half as well as the Rhus after our rest we won't be far away.
I think this Ros team is different so I expect them to feature with distinction in the quarter finals
I would expect the Rossies to give this a real rattle. Played in higher division all year beat Mayo in championship who subsequently hammered kerry and ran Galway close after Mayo game. Think they need a performance in croker for their own belief. They certainly have the men up front to get after Dublin and cause them bother.
Those men up front spend a lot of time shoring up the defence.
As a result we only got 10 scores v Mayowestros and Galway.
We'll need more than that to win unless we end up with 5-5.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
Those men up front spend a lot of time shoring up the defence.
As a result we only got 10 scores v Mayowestros and Galway.
We'll need more than that to win unless we end up with 5-5.
5-5 might not even be enough for us if Dublin have their shooting boots on!!!!!!
I expect us to approach this game in a similar way to kildare played Dublin. But I think we are about 2 points better than Kildare, so therefore we'll draw on Sunday! That's how it works right? ;) :P
Dublin v Ros is a very interesting game , are Dublin justified favs to win Sam or have Roscommon finally arrived in the big league ? Personally I wouldn't touch this game from a betting perspective as I don't have a clue how it will go , I wouldn't be shocked if Ros won nor would I be shocked if Dublin won by 8 or 9 points plus .
Ros team announcement
Carroll
Hussey Stack Murray
NDaly McCormack Ruane
C Lennon Doyle
Ciaráin Enda McKeon
O'Carroll Donie Diarmuid.
Hon the rossies
This group hasn't exactly told us much so far.
I would still expect the Dubs to win their other games and score more than the Rossies in doing that.
Still, that might not work out and the Dubs might end up in a preliminary quarter also, and they might meet a team there not much less capable than the Rossies.
I've a bad feeling we might take on the Dubs again and get a hammering...that game will blow off a few cobwebs.
Don't see Kildare causing the Rossies too much bother either.
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
The Kilkenny GAA couldn't afford a tannoy system because the GAA had to pay for yet another GDA for Dublin. The GAA can't be having them only drawing with Roscommon.
Quote from: mup on May 29, 2023, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
The Kilkenny GAA couldn't afford a tannoy system because the GAA had to pay for yet another GDA for Dublin. The GAA can't be having them only drawing with Roscommon.
You should at least post the odd comment about Kildare, even if totally fake. Just to pretend like.
I guess your knowledge is zero. Explain how the games development officer funding works - who are they? What's their average age? Who do they train? What do the clubs contribute?
You do know that there's not an iota of a chance that any of the Dublin players were trained by these partially funded development officers for a competitive game.
What's more crucial to the success of the Dubs compared to the perennial underachievement of the Lilies? - development officers who don't train the players, choice of identical dressing room, or music over the tannoy? These are the key questions that need answered.
There's going to be fantastic scenes when Kildare finally get one over the Dubs. A pity they let Davy Burke go, but still, it's there for them this time.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: mup on May 29, 2023, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
The Kilkenny GAA couldn't afford a tannoy system because the GAA had to pay for yet another GDA for Dublin. The GAA can't be having them only drawing with Roscommon.
You should at least post the odd comment about Kildare, even if totally fake. Just to pretend like.
I guess your knowledge is zero. Explain how the games development officer funding works - who are they? What's their average age? Who do they train? What do the clubs contribute?
You do know that there's not an iota of a chance that any of the Dublin players were trained by these partially funded development officers for a competitive game.
What's more crucial to the success of the Dubs compared to the perennial underachievement of the Lilies? - development officers who don't train the players, choice of identical dressing room, or music over the tannoy? These are the key questions that need answered.
There's going to be fantastic scenes when Kildare finally get one over the Dubs. A pity they let Davy Burke go, but still, it's there for them this time.
Here's the thing. Don't expect to make a comment on Kildare and not get called out on it. Bitchy comments will be met with bitchy replies.
It's a complete accident that Dublin's success coincides with the millions they received from the GAA/Government. Well that's what Walter Mitty told me anyway.
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Its the perfect game for Kildare and I don't think they will have expected to get another crack at Dublin until next season. The Dubs look like a stale, ageing side with injuries mounting up and are extremely boring to watch. Listening to Dessie Farrell in post match interviews is like watching paint dry and the Dubs are playing in the same manner. If Kildare have a bit of belief they can beat Dublin this time around. Expect another arm wrestle of a match.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
Dublin should be thankful Newbridge is out of operation, Nolan Park will suit Dublin better and should win by a bit to spare.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 29, 2023, 02:22:46 PM
Its the perfect game for Kildare and I don't think they will have expected to get another crack at Dublin until next season. The Dubs look like a stale, ageing side with injuries mounting up and are extremely boring to watch. Listening to Dessie Farrell in post match interviews is like watching paint dry and the Dubs are playing in the same manner. If Kildare have a bit of belief they can beat Dublin this time around. Expect another arm wrestle of a match.
The problem is we don't know which Kildare will turn up. For years now we are blaming management for our failures. Maybe they could take a good look at themselves and man up a small bit. Having said that I don't think the quality is there.
Quote from: sensini on May 29, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.
Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.
Quote from: weareros on May 29, 2023, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: sensini on May 29, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.
Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.
You do know that "sensini" is the WUM formerly know as
Kerryforsam, EireOG etc etc
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 28, 2023, 06:30:41 PM
I've a bad feeling we might take on the Dubs again and get a hammering...that game will blow off a few cobwebs.
Don't see Kildare causing the Rossies too much bother either.
Why would you have that feeling, 10 games now against top teams and competitive in every one, a dubs team in decline, I think you might have damage from historical beatings when the dubs were in their pomp.
That dubs team for 5 years were imo the greatest team that ever played the game.
Quote from: joemamas on May 29, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 29, 2023, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: sensini on May 29, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Kildare should win this one. The dubs have a few injuries and out of their comfort zone of Croke Park. Heard they hammered mayo in a challenge game at the weekend.
Where did you hear that? The challenge game was before Mayo beat Kerry, and before Kildare drew with Sligo. In other words: the result such a challenge was meaningless.
You do know that "sensini" is the WUM formerly know as
Kerryforsam, EireOG etc etc
Thanks Joemamas. I should know better than to reply.
Next up our nicest Connacht neighbours .
Potential banana skin?
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
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Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
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Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.
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Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Dubs look sure to be without Kilkenny and Byrne, and probably McCarthy too. Jack and Murchan both have hamstring problems, neither were togged yesterday, so probably not going to be ready next week. But maybe some changes will liven things up.
Costello was top drawer yesterday. Being dropped recently seems to have given him the jolt required. Con doing reasonably well. Mannion has been disappointing, not got to the pace of intercounty yet. Bugler playing very well, but Fenton and Howard both miles below their usual standard.
A lot will depend on what Kildare shows up. Hope they get the pick of the dressing rooms and control over music played on the tannoy. Ryan knows how much an advantage that is!
Dublin should be thankful Newbridge is out of operation, Nolan Park will suit Dublin better and should win by a bit to spare.
Ah, if Kildare were playing to their absolute potential, the bigger pitch would suit them too. They played their best game of the year in Croke Park. A good crowd though baying them on would definitely be helpful, so in that regard they may well lose some of that by playing it in Kilkenny. I hugely respect the talent in Kildare. It's belief and resilience that can let them down. But one game could change that quickly and Dubs are blowing hot and cold. Agree Dubs are favourites, but it's not the cast iron certainty of recent years.
Quote from: Hound on May 30, 2023, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.
It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.
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Quote from: Hound on May 30, 2023, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.
It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.
more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin
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Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:29:00 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.
It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.
more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin
Land may be an issue
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2023, 12:04:59 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 01, 2023, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 30, 2023, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2023, 01:41:13 PM
What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?
Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes? Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?
Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.
The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.
It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.
more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin
Land may be an issue
every county in Ireland has been pumping money into Dublin gaa for 20+ years via bums on seats in Croker. surely they could afford to buy some
Ros team and subs announced last night.
Basically Conor Daly starts, Donie Smith doesnt, a few jersey no. changes and Paul Carey into the 26 instead of Robbie Dolan.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2023, 10:50:09 AM
Ros team and subs announced last night.
Basically Conor Daly starts, Donie Smith doesnt, a few jersey no. changes and Paul Carey into the 26 instead of Robbie Dolan.
Sligo team
Aidan Devaney
Evan Lyons
Eddie McGuinness
Nathan Mullen
Paul McNamara
Brian Cox
Luke Towey
Cian Lally
Paul Kilcoyne
Finnian Cawley
Sean Carrabine
Keelan Cawley
Pat Spillane
Patrick O Connor
Niall Murphy
Subs: Daniel Lyons, Alan Reilly, David Quinn, Eoghan Smith, Gerard O'Kelly Lynch, Jack Lavin, Joe Keaney, Kenny Gavigan, Luke Nicholson, Mark Walsh, Mikey Gordon
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/03/toothless-dublin-look-like-a-team-waiting-on-a-slow-death/
That neither Roscommon nor Kildare actually beat them is hardly the point. In the previous five seasons, Dublin had played five games against that duo and the average margin of victory was 15 points. But now, at home, in perfect conditions, they've looked wan and toothless. Nothing like potential All-Ireland winners.
While they haven't changed their playing style in any significant way, the rest of the country has studied them, worked out a plan and used it to catch up. Speaking to Pat Gilroy a couple of weeks ago, he identified the fact that so many more teams are physically capable of keeping pace with Dublin now in a way that just wasn't the case when he was manager between 2008 and 2012.
"What that changes is it means that teams attack and defend as much more of a unit now," Gilroy said. "In the early days of the massed defence, you might find yourself facing a team who had 15 men inside their own 45, fair enough. But when they turned it over, you would probably only have five fellahs coming at you. Now, when you turn it over, you have the whole 15 coming at you, goalkeepers included. Teams need to be incredibly fit to do that.
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"Because of that, the game slows down for periods now in a way it didn't used to. Regardless of how fit you are, you can't keep running up and down the pitch at full pelt all day. So the game has to slow down to allow you pick your way through it.
"There isn't as much hard running, or at least not as much sustained hard running. You have to be a lot more accurate, a lot more physical, a lot more patient and a lot more thoughtful. The end-to-end stuff happens very little because it tends to be a slower transition."
What's been Dublin's big idea? Beyond bringing back Cluxton, Paul Mannion and Jack McCaffrey, it's hard to see an obvious one. But though the three of them have performed – McCaffrey's second half against Kildare was a particular spark when badly needed – they are generally the same Dublin as they've been throughout Farrell's time.
The same, but older. Dean Rock's form has fallen off a cliff – he's scored one point from seven shots in the past three games. Mick Fitzsimons made his first start of the summer last Sunday and got caught for an early black card. Even Brian Fenton was unusually slapdash last week, spilling ball over the sideline and scuffing a late chance short.
. Maybe Dublin will make it through to the last four on muscle memory and maybe out of nowhere, the earth begins to move and they feel the needle hit the groove.
But from this vantage point, they look more like a team waiting on a slow death.
Dubs doing well so far. Flourbags need a score
Roscommon have entered a parallel fuball universe
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0604/1387400-sundays-all-ireland-sfc-round-robin-updates/
58 mins Roscommon 0-16 Roscommon 1-09
We did the job eventually as we wore down a gallant Sligo team.
Lethargic enough, no doubt a hangover from last week's efforts but we top the group for the next 2 weeks.
Both teams hit around 10 wides each in the 1st half.
Cian McKeon getting better with each game and Conor Carroll's kickouts likewise.
Ros are impressive. They're looking confident and hard to beat, could make a semi final which would be massive
Will the Dubs rest lads v Sligo? Like even with 2 weeks off will they mind lads coming back from injuries or Con's hamstring...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 05, 2023, 08:37:04 PM
Will the Dubs rest lads v Sligo? Like even with 2 weeks off will they mind lads coming back from injuries or Con's hamstring...
I think they've been doing that all along
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/
Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2023, 05:31:39 AM
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Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.
How far do you think they will go?
Quote from: Skeletor on June 07, 2023, 07:42:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2023, 05:31:39 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/
Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.
How far do you think they will go?
It was very important for Ros to have a good group stage because the super 8s were a disaster. Ros got hammered in 2018 and 2019 by Dublin . Here's a description of 2019.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/relentless-dublin-leave-roscommon-dazed-and-confused-1.3962929
"But if there was a moment that symbolised the state of the game, it was the Angus Lyons, making his Primrose debut, surrounded by seven blue shirts and relieved off the ball. Jonny Cooper helped him up off the ground as the blue shirts sprinted across the savannah. They led by 2-21 to 0-11 at the time and were growing stronger by the second"
I think a strong qf performance added to 3rd in D1 would represent a great haul for the year but that a favourable draw could end up in a semi final. This year anything is possible.
In January we expected to be relegated and hoped we'd be middlin competitive and maybe win 2 games in the process.
We hoped we'd not get bet too badly by Mayowestros and that we'd make a PQF.
We exceeded our NFL and Connacht hopes and see how it goes from here.
Most people expect we'll be 2nd in the Group giving us a home game v most likely Cork/Armagh/Donegal.
Roscommon absolute dark horses. They seem to be up for it. They can compete and beat the bigger teams. I wouldn't want to have to play them in the knock out stages.
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2023, 08:14:57 AM
Quote from: Skeletor on June 07, 2023, 07:42:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2023, 05:31:39 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/
Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.
How far do you think they will go?
It was very important for Ros to have a good group stage because the super 8s were a disaster. Ros got hammered in 2018 and 2019 by Dublin . Here's a description of 2019.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/relentless-dublin-leave-roscommon-dazed-and-confused-1.3962929
"But if there was a moment that symbolised the state of the game, it was the Angus Lyons, making his Primrose debut, surrounded by seven blue shirts and relieved off the ball. Jonny Cooper helped him up off the ground as the blue shirts sprinted across the savannah. They led by 2-21 to 0-11 at the time and were growing stronger by the second"
I think a strong qf performance added to 3rd in D1 would represent a great haul for the year but that a favourable draw could end up in a semi final. This year anything is possible.
Reaching and competitive in Quarter final would be good first year for Roscommon under Davy Burke. I think at least 3 of the 4 group winners will reach the All Ireland semi finals as they'll avoid the tough schedule of 3 games in 14 days.
Making a QF is only a par effort for the Rossies. They are a top 8 team. Of course luck of the draw can also be a big factor, but no doubt Burke is aiming for a SF place and would be disappointed if they don't achieve that.
Drawing with the Dubs in Croker will have drilled into them that there's no team they should fear.
Dubs won't be resting anyone v Sligo. We want to top the group. Albeit we won't risk anyone carrying an injury
With the help of God we'll put it up to the Rossies and lose by about 6 points. Sligo to run Dublin to 4 points.
That will put us out of our misery.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0605/1387501-state-of-play-all-ireland-group-stage-permutations/
A score difference foot-race could be in the offing here, with the Dubs and the Rossies vying for top spot.
While Roscommon currently hold the thinnest of advantages in that battle, the final round of games may be more complicated for them, with Kildare waiting in the wings.
While in form terms, Davy Burke's team have been far superior to his native county, there'll presumably be residual belief in Kildare that Roscommon should hold no great fear for them.
Dublin were somewhat more impressive in their dismissal of Kildare in Nowlan Park than they had been in the Leinster semi-final. Their performances continue to oscillate between decent and sluggish.
Among critics of the present format, the possibility had been floated beforehand that a team could survive the group phase with one point from three matches.
That will indeed come to pass here should league form prevail, and Dublin and Roscommon win.
Sean Bugler pursued by Kevin O'Callaghan
The historic prospect of a team trooping out again in championship, having won none of their previous four matches looms on the horizon.
Whether that would be Sligo or Kildare remains to be seen. The simple task remains to better the other's result or margin of defeat in the final game. Kildare hold a very slightest of advantages in the score difference stakes, with a less daunting fixture to come.
Theoretically, both Roscommon or Dublin could be eliminated if both Kildare and Sligo win and all four teams finish on three points. Even that would require a substantial points difference swing.
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Quote from: sensini on June 12, 2023, 08:45:24 AM
Quote from: mup on June 08, 2023, 09:02:21 AM
With the help of God we'll put it up to the Rossies and lose by about 6 points. Sligo to run Dublin to 4 points.
That will put us out of our misery.
That lie down is the Kildare football mentality for last 20 years. If medals for excuse the Lilywhites would be out on top.
We haven't won the All Ireland in nearly 100 years and still have twice as many as Roscommon. Mad isn't it.
ROSCOMMON: Conor Carroll; Colin Walsh, Brian Stack, David Murray; Niall Daly, Eoin McCormack, Conor Daly; Dylan Ruane, Eddie Nolan; Ciaráin Murtagh, Enda Smith, Donie Smith; Cian McKeon, Ben O'Carroll, Diarmuid Murtagh.
Subs: Aaron Brady, Conor Hussey, Niall Kilroy, Richard Hughes, Ciarán Lennon, Conor Cox, Cian Connolly, Daire Cregg, Shane Cunnane, Paul Carey, Ruaidhrí Fallon
KILDARE: Mark Donnellan; Mick O'Grady, Shea Ryan, Eoin Doyle; David Hyland, Kevin Flynn, Jack Sargent; Kevin O'Callaghan, Aaron Masterson; Paddy McDermott, Ben McCormack, Alex Beirne; Neil Flynn, Darragh Kirwan, Paddy Woodgate.
Subs: Aaron O'Neill, Kevin Feely, Daniel Flynn, Ryan Houlihan, Brendan Gibbons, Darragh Malone, Tony Archbold, Jimmy Hyland, Paul Cribbin, Barry Coffey, Matthew Kelly
DUBLIN: Stephen Cluxton; Daire Newcombe, Michael Fitzsimons, Eoin Murchan; John Small, Seán MacMahon, Lee Gannon; Brian Fenton, James McCarthy; Brian Howard, Seán Bugler, Niall Scully; Paddy Small, Con O'Callaghan, Colm Basquel.
Subs: Evan Comerford, David Byrne, Ciaran Kilkenny, Tom Lahiff, Paul Mannion, Jack McCaffrey, Ross McGarry, Cian Murphy, Lorcan O'Dell, Killian O'Gara, Dean Rock
SLIGO: Aidan Devaney; Evan Lyons, Eddie McGuinness, Darragh Cummins; Paul McNamara, Brian Cox, Luke Towey; Cian Lally, Paul Kilcoyne; Finnian Cawley, Sean Carrabine, Keelan Cawley; Pat Spillane, Patrick O'Connor, Niall Murphy
Subs: Daniel Lyons, Alan Reilly, David Quinn, Eoghan Smith, Gerard O'Kelly Lynch, Jack Lavin, Joe Keaney, Kenny Gavigan, Luke Nicholson, Mark Walsh, Mikey Gordon
When it's dark at 5 and it's cold between the shnow and the hailshtones this should help Rossies through the winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r178g8JBu7g&t=500s
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2023, 03:46:22 PM
DUBLIN: Stephen Cluxton; Daire Newcombe, Michael Fitzsimons, Eoin Murchan; John Small, Seán MacMahon, Lee Gannon; Brian Fenton, James McCarthy; Brian Howard, Seán Bugler, Niall Scully; Paddy Small, Con O'Callaghan, Colm Basquel.
Subs: Evan Comerford, David Byrne, Ciaran Kilkenny, Tom Lahiff, Paul Mannion, Jack McCaffrey, Ross McGarry, Cian Murphy, Lorcan O'Dell, Killian O'Gara, Dean Rock
Thanks for putting the teams up B
From a Dubs perspective, a lot of players returning from injury, so we are nearly at full strength - only Cormac Costello missing. I wonder will that mean Rock gets to start, as there's no recognized freetaker otherwise. Rock's form has dipped this year and I think Clucko is 0/2 from 45s since his return.
Another interesting one is David O'Hanlon down to 3rd choice keeper, despite not putting a foot wrong. Seems harsh on him, but there's no room for sentiment. If Dessie thinks Cluxton and Comerford are 1 and 2, he has to go with that.
In advance...I've got a very bad feeling about this game. Davy Burke will be out to shove it up our holes.
This season is just limping along for Kildare.
Seriously the pink one boots!
Never a doubt...
Never a black card.
Time wasting as usual
Roscommon 0-02 Kildare 1-04
Not too shabby
As soft a black card as you'd see.
Still a black, one arm wrapped round his waist and trying bring him arm round to bring him down, one reason it may looked detable is he fell off him, but he done enough to bring u man down
Both black cards very dopey on behalf of Kildare (don't know how anyone can dispute them) and Kildare playing so well otherwise.
2nd one was as silly a tackle as u see.
Very little in that free especially 50m away.
Kildare have went to the Armagh school of tackling!
Crikey, I initially thought it was a great finish for the Ros goal, but it turns out it was shocking goalkeeping. Dived before the player shot, leaving an empty net to side foot the ball into!
Kildare self-destructing; stupid black cards, and players slipping all over the place; you'd think management would have noticed this.
The flourbags need to regroup at half time and have to be disciplined in the second half. There may not be much between the teams.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 02:11:45 PM
Kildare have went to the Armagh school of tackling!
You really are a sad person
One point in it.
Level
Kildare one up!
Kildare motoring!
Level
69 mins. Flourbags by 1
4 minutes added
Feely scores . Flourbags by 1. No time left.
Great score, Rossies away to Killarney
A fantastic win for Kildare. Great character , something missing in recent seasons. Very tricky shot to win as well.
Great finish. Last 3 points all beauties. A big thumbs up for the format
Apart from the massive winner, Feely is a really clever player and it's a massive boost for Kildare.
That was some win.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 18, 2023, 03:48:31 PM
Apart from the massive winner, Feely is a really clever player and it's a massive boost for Kildare.
That was some win.
It's not so good for Davy Burke however.
Format has proved me wrong; thought there would be too many dead rubbers, but two great games today.
Thats Kildare for you. Get a result when you least expect it. Great win.
Quote from: befair on June 18, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
Format has proved me wrong; thought there would be too many dead rubbers, but two great games today.
A major improvement on the Super 8s. Idiots like Colin Parkinson thought round 3 of the group stage would be boring and so predictable.
The forward mark needs to go. Joke of a rule
Bad day at the office, fair play to Kildare better team on the day won but 12 or 13 wides inexcusable at this level.
Thankfully 3 of the 4 teams go through and after today's series of results might be better 3rd than 2nd.
Tough ask to pick up after that today and face a big knock out game in 6 or 7 days.
Bit of criticism of management doing the rounds .
I thought Cox should have been put on last 10 or 15 as he might have kicked a score or 2.
Anyway let's go for broke next week and see what happens.
Kildare deserved their win, seemed to want it more. We were surprising flat & probably our worst performance under Burke. Some strange calls on the line, Donie Smith & D Murtagh well off it & both should have been removed at half time for Cox & Connolly. No Hughes added after 15mins of the second half when attacking pace was required. Our bunched up positioning in the forward line was poor. Our shooting very poor. Enda Smith aside thought we were really poor on & off the pitch. Kildare pressed our kickouts & we had no answer, we didnt press theirs. They won at least 5 offensive marks that resulted in 5 points, the last one was a great effort, worthy of winning the game. Looks like they coped on to our full backline that lacks height.
Mind you, looking at the teams place 2 & 3 in their respective groups, would probably be happier on the road, than facing the likes of Monaghan, Mayo or Tyrone. Hopefully we can lift it for next weekend, we should not fear Donegal, Cork or a Galway team minus a few of their star players.
On the Kildare timewasting episode.........
Surely the sin bin needs extending to 20 minutes? 10 minutes is not much really , considering most games now are around 80 minutes. Missing 10 minutes from 80 is not much tbh. 20 minutes is a quarter of a match and a more fitting punishment
I would say that's a decent idea. It always seems very easy to dwindle away time for ten minutes.
Very simple solution. Bring in a stop clock and make it 10 minutes of actual playing time. The stop clock is a no brainer and takes time keeping out of the hands of the referee.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-galway-and-roscommon-victims-of-flawed-system-why-is-one-match-given-higher-status-then-rest/a1596219220.html
For once I agree.
Quote from: Rudi on June 21, 2023, 10:35:48 AM
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For once I agree.
It is clear why there is a head to head, to prevent a situation where someone hammers a team in a dead rubber to drive up their score difference. You could have a team that fought bravely on the first two games, but realising that they were gone their best players might o on holiday before the last day. Armagh were relegated from Div 1 because Mayo were not bothered on the last day and Monaghan beat them.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2023, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 21, 2023, 10:35:48 AM
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For once I agree.
It is clear why there is a head to head, to prevent a situation where someone hammers a team in a dead rubber to drive up their score difference. You could have a team that fought bravely on the first two games, but realising that they were gone their best players might o on holiday before the last day. Armagh were relegated from Div 1 because Mayo were not bothered on the last day and Monaghan beat them.
Agree head-to-head is fairer than score difference. Brehony seems quite confused in that article. Roscommon and Galway did not play in a Connacht Final, only a semi-final. We could have met again in the prelims. In fact I don't think the score difference in a 3 way tie either is a good idea especially if one team gets the weakest team in final match. It makes what was going to be a terrible mismatch even worse. I'd opt for higher league ranking in that scenario.
Long past time Breheny hung up the pen or whatever journalists use nowadays.
I've no problem with the head to head.
If score difference used to separate 3 teams it should be based on results of games between the 3 concerned.
Cork v Roscommon is very hard to gauge.
2 Jekyll and Hyde (no pun intended) teams.
Which Cork team will show up - the Cork that lost to Clare and struggled v Louth or the one that beat Mayo and pushed Kerry all the way?
Similar with Roscommon, the team that beat Mayo and drew with Dublin or the team that got hammered by Galway and lost to Kildare?
Quote from: blanketattack on June 22, 2023, 05:37:34 PM
Cork v Roscommon is very hard to gauge.
2 Jekyll and Hyde (no pun intended) teams.
Which Cork team will show up - the Cork that lost to Clare and struggled v Louth or the one that beat Mayo and pushed Kerry all the way?
Similar with Roscommon, the team that beat Mayo and drew with Dublin or the team that got hammered by Galway and lost to Kildare?
Wasn't a hammering. 4 point winning margin for Galway 1-13 to 1-9 and Galway got the last score of the game deep into injury time.