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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:28:19 AM »
There is such a scrutiny on entertainment now. Football was never attractive bar the odd clinker of a game. Only the top 2/3 sides, when they clashed, produced top quality skilful entertainment. The 80s were shit. The 90s produced some wars of attrition in Ulster but no AI final like the last few now. The 00s again when the top 2/3 met. Same as now.

Correct. People don't know they are born. Football has been better than it ever has been. Some people can't think for themselves and listen to Brolly et al.

I thought when I went a bit berserk on the shot clock idea people might have put some thought into new rules, but alas no. Still some crazy stupid ideas floating about on this thread.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: July 19, 2018, 11:07:47 AM »
If SF as alleged get their way and that the 6 Cos becomes a total basket case altogether who are they going to unite with?
We will be voting NO in such a scenario.
If SF are anti EU who the fk do they expect to pay for this basket case 6 Cos?

There's no 'If'. They have campaigned for a No Vote on every single EU referendum in the ROI. They are an anti EU party.


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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: July 19, 2018, 10:51:51 AM »
By not taking their seats and voting on key issues they give the Tories and the DUP a free pass. The end.

In my opinion, this is a lazy analysis. Going to Westminster would give credit to the idea that is appropriate for a  load of British people to decide what is going to happen to NI over the heads of the people in NI. You might by accident have a couple of votes where you happened to hold the balance of power, but generally you'd be up against 600 British MPs and it would be a mugs game.

The SNP are there and nobody gives a damn about Scotland if there are enough English MPs to vote them down.

Add to that, if SF go to Westminster the Daily Mail, Telegraph et al would rant and rave and perhaps cause more loss of votes than SF would provide.

Well at this moment 7 constituencies (Soon to be 8) in NI have no elected representatives either in Stormont or Westminster. And this idea that Westminster doesn't matter is rubbish. This week has proven that it clearly does.

However, in reality, SF are playing a long game here. They are an anti-EU party. They are happy to see the UK leave and would welcome a vote in the ROI on the issue. This bluster about no hard border etc is exactly that. They want chaos in NI. High unemployment, lack of jobs, lack of opportunity, cuts to health and education. In some world they see this as a way forward to a UI. Problem is that may take 20, 30 or 40 years. In that time 2 or 3 generations of people will suffer.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: July 19, 2018, 10:44:46 AM »
The votes taking place are only close because the Conservatives are split over the issues. If SF took their seats and voted they would be supporting one or other half of the tory party. The party under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher who most republicans hold responsible for the deaths of the hunger strikers. SF supporters would never forgive them for supporting either half of the tories.

They take seats in Stormont and form governments with unionists like Paisley, Dodds and Robinson who were responsible for the perpetuation of loyalist violence in the North so preventing one of the major f**k ups in UK history by voting with the Tories shouldn't be the sky caving in their heads.

They've flipped on several issues, not recognising Stormont etc etc. All the old excuses for not attending, (they wouldn't make a difference, etc) have been shown to be hollow so they really have no honest exemptions from this anymore.

I don't understand this and why people don't get it. SF voters vote for them not to take their seats. It's not a grey area, when you vote SF, you're voting to not have a vote in Westminster. Its simple. I wouldn't say never, but abstentionism is along way away yet.

By that rational the same is true of those that vote for the DUP and their stance against SSM and ILA. People should just 'get it' and stop going on about it.
That is false equivalence and you know it.  Ill not insult your intelligence by explaining why.

I would be open to the idea of the Shinners turning up to one of these key votes, voting and just walking away, giving a brief statement of the extraordinary reasons why.  Not sure how feasible that would be, and if parliament needs to know in advance to any such move.  It would be good craic to listen to the fall out from it, DUP and the Tories crying why it shouldn't be allowed.

I disagree. You say they are elected not to take their seats. DUP are elected on - No to an ILA and No to SSM.
If SF are not taking their seats why bother standing? Why take the £?

I think it is a very fair criticism of their stance.

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Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.

While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.

Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach. 

So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.

Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.

Doubts creeping in. Come on! We have ye's now..... Hopefully.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: July 19, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »
The votes taking place are only close because the Conservatives are split over the issues. If SF took their seats and voted they would be supporting one or other half of the tory party. The party under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher who most republicans hold responsible for the deaths of the hunger strikers. SF supporters would never forgive them for supporting either half of the tories.

They take seats in Stormont and form governments with unionists like Paisley, Dodds and Robinson who were responsible for the perpetuation of loyalist violence in the North so preventing one of the major f**k ups in UK history by voting with the Tories shouldn't be the sky caving in their heads.

They've flipped on several issues, not recognising Stormont etc etc. All the old excuses for not attending, (they wouldn't make a difference, etc) have been shown to be hollow so they really have no honest exemptions from this anymore.

I don't understand this and why people don't get it. SF voters vote for them not to take their seats. It's not a grey area, when you vote SF, you're voting to not have a vote in Westminster. Its simple. I wouldn't say never, but abstentionism is along way away yet.

By that rational the same is true of those that vote for the DUP and their stance against SSM and ILA. People should just 'get it' and stop going on about it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:29:17 PM »
The organisers confirmed that an approach was made with a view to hosting the match at Pairc Ui Chaoimh, but that this would require a rule change at GAA congress which won’t be held until next spring.

Mr O’Flynn stressed, however, that Cork County Board were very receptive to their approaches and offered Pairc Ui Chaoimh’s conferencing facilities free of charge.

Think the CCB did all they could in fairness. Nothing to see here.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: July 18, 2018, 02:04:40 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 18, 2018, 01:58:12 PM »
A sport where space is shut down systematically is pointless for the spectator.
It may be logical for the manager but the attendances will fall.
Mike Gibson and O'Driscoll and the great soccer players could/can find space where others can't see it but in gaelic football they'd be handpassing indefinitely.
Maybe a scoring clock would work. Something has to change.

There's barely working scoreboards in 99% of GAA grounds. This would be chaos. Maybe that's what spectators want? Complete chaos over a shot clock.
Start off in Porky Crokey
The current system is the veneration of crap

So a different rule for football in Croke Park, one particular pitch in Ireland. Where Dublin have home advantage 70% odd of the time and now a shot clock advantage, as they'll be used to it. I thought we were trying to stop the Dubs? Imagine saying the "Mark" only counts in Croke Park and not the rest of Ireland. Please, please, please, for the love of God, think things through before you post.

Come up with something to fix the game rather than moaning. The game is dying.

Twice on this thread I have suggested changes. You can go back and read them if you wish.
I'm not moaning. I'm pointing out unworkable, ill thought-out changes.
They work in other sports.
The sight of the Dubs playing keep ball for the last 2 and a half minutes of the AIF last year was a sign of how fucked up the game is.

The key part of your sentence being "in other sports"
Come up with one rule change that will stop the Dubs keeping ball and critically will work in Gaelic Football.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:55:18 PM »
A sport where space is shut down systematically is pointless for the spectator.
It may be logical for the manager but the attendances will fall.
Mike Gibson and O'Driscoll and the great soccer players could/can find space where others can't see it but in gaelic football they'd be handpassing indefinitely.
Maybe a scoring clock would work. Something has to change.

There's barely working scoreboards in 99% of GAA grounds. This would be chaos. Maybe that's what spectators want? Complete chaos over a shot clock.
Start off in Porky Crokey
The current system is the veneration of crap

So a different rule for football in Croke Park, one particular pitch in Ireland. Where Dublin have home advantage 70% odd of the time and now a shot clock advantage, as they'll be used to it. I thought we were trying to stop the Dubs? Imagine saying the "Mark" only counts in Croke Park and not the rest of Ireland. Please, please, please, for the love of God, think things through before you post.

Come up with something to fix the game rather than moaning. The game is dying.

Twice on this thread I have suggested changes. You can go back and read them if you wish.
I'm not moaning. I'm pointing out unworkable, ill thought-out changes.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:37:40 PM »
I think voters can now petition for a by-election, which would be a waste of time, I spose.

Not been a good few weeks for the Jnr.

Means the government are down a vote for the next month though which is a plus!!

On the abstention thing well Sinn Fein have made that many concessions in the last 20 years surely this should be the next. With the current Government and Brexit they have a chance to make a real difference for North and South with regard to Brexit and they're not.

Blah blah they were voted in on abstention but that doesn't really cut the mustard anymore. Things are getting heated and they need to be seen to be doing something. I actually think it would win them more votes to say right we're going into Westminster to make a difference rather than the shite going on with the assembly.

I know one thing I'll not be voting for them in a GE again!

Problem being I guess in the short term they might have an impact and a say, on a very important issue for this part of the world. But what would rule out a GE being called soon after they went in and it wiped out any influence that they would have hoped to have. Then they are still on the outside of the decision making process that they would have sold their souls to be involved in.

"Sold their souls" is a bit dramatic!!

As I've said they've made a number of concessions over the years and this is another . . .

Who would have believed McGuinness shaking the Queen's hand or supporting the PSNI, sharing power with the DUP.

At every turn these things were seen as selling their souls but they haven't dropped support. Taking their seat at Westminster to try and preserve jobs for the North and trade for the Southcan easily be spun and should be!!

I agree. These are not normal times. Brexit will affect the lives of people right across these islands for the next 100 years and possibly more. They should be counted. And if they did take their seats, just like many fine Irish men and women before them, I believe history would be kind.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:20:11 PM »
I don't think a shot clock would work because I think it would actually give additional incentive for defenders to sit deep knowing that after a certain pre-determined period of time the attacking team will have to come forward. For example, last week, it would just mean that Donegal would have less incentive to come out to try to get the ball back from dublin knowing that if they wait 30 seconds Dublin will have to come forward and they'll get the ball back.

But saying that a shot clock is unworkable because we won't have a workable clock at every match is ridiculous. How do they manage at every basketball match in the country? We are not that backward in the gaa that the ref can't bring a clock with him to be used at a 'table' in the same way as is done in basketball.

Anyway, as I said above, I don't think a shot clock is the solution. I think any rule changes have to be to 'discourage' defensive play from the team without the ball, rather than trying to encourage the team with the ball to attack.  I think there is sufficient incentive for teams to attack at the moment (i.e. to get scores) but the problem at the moment is that the best way to attack against a team with 13/14/15 behind the ball is to be patient and recyle the ball a hundred times until an opening appears (or they get turned over).

No we're not backward at all. But you want a person sitting at a table with a clock. You do realise players would need to see the thing to be able to know when their 30 secs or whatever is up? You realise how big it needs to be?
A shot clock is a f**king stupid idea. And anyone who suggests it is f**king stupid.

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GAA Discussion / Re: QF Phase 2 predictions
« on: July 18, 2018, 11:54:09 AM »
Donegal
Tyrone
Kildare
Monaghan


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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 18, 2018, 11:50:38 AM »
A sport where space is shut down systematically is pointless for the spectator.
It may be logical for the manager but the attendances will fall.
Mike Gibson and O'Driscoll and the great soccer players could/can find space where others can't see it but in gaelic football they'd be handpassing indefinitely.
Maybe a scoring clock would work. Something has to change.

There's barely working scoreboards in 99% of GAA grounds. This would be chaos. Maybe that's what spectators want? Complete chaos over a shot clock.
Start off in Porky Crokey
The current system is the veneration of crap

So a different rule for football in Croke Park, one particular pitch in Ireland. Where Dublin have home advantage 70% odd of the time and now a shot clock advantage, as they'll be used to it. I thought we were trying to stop the Dubs? Imagine saying the "Mark" only counts in Croke Park and not the rest of Ireland. Please, please, please, for the love of God, think things through before you post. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: July 18, 2018, 11:44:15 AM »
A sport where space is shut down systematically is pointless for the spectator.
It may be logical for the manager but the attendances will fall.
Mike Gibson and O'Driscoll and the great soccer players could/can find space where others can't see it but in gaelic football they'd be handpassing indefinitely.
Maybe a scoring clock would work. Something has to change.

There's barely working scoreboards in 99% of GAA grounds. This would be chaos. Maybe that's what spectators want? Complete chaos over a shot clock.

"Fogra, anois, there will be no shot clock in this match as John can't find the remote. Please stand for amhran na bhfiann"

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