Rossies v Tyrone Hyde Park 13th July 5pm.

[Rossfan]

Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.

[Main Street]

It's the deep rooted paranoia, it trumps any attempt for a rational perspective. Everybody is out to get Tyronies, the BBC, RTE, media, Brolly, Spillane, condescending Kerry supporters, refs, all refs, all refs past present and future.

[Angelo]

Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.

Because we are generally the last Ulster team standing in the past 20 years. It brings about resentment and jealousy.

Why do your neighbours hate ye? Is it because you don't like a fair fight?

[Throw ball]

What chance does a referee have. When one has a decent game he still gets slaughtered. He made a few mistakes but he was generally fair to both teams. When you talk about the McDonnell yellow that is an example of the interpretive nature of the rules. The Roscommon player went down and held his head. In a split second the referee decided that the tackle was therefore a yellow. Too many times players try to con the referee by feigning head injuries. Is that the referees fault or the players? For the record I was roaring at the TV after that challenge for the Roscommon player to get up. After a couple of replays I saw he may well have hit his head on the ground. The referee has no chance.

[RedHand88]

Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.

Now we know why Ballaghaderreen declare for Mayo.

They have our sympathies.

[giveballaghback]

Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.

[omagh_gael]

The McDonnell yellow was the clearest example of a ref bending to the crowds will. You'd swear to god that Cregg was viciously assaulted even though it was a harsh enough call to even give a free. A ref's job is to remain objective at all times but he's only human and clearly the crowd reaction primed him to make the wrong call.

Angelo makes an interesting point. Those watching on Sky would have heard Senan Connell reporting from the sideline that the Roscommon bench went straight up to Cavan Joe on the sideline to tell him to watch for the 20yard encroachment on Morgan's kickouts after they were rightly called up. The very next kixkout out Cavan Joe duly flagged up an infringement that was clearly wrong as the player was on the line not inside.

BTW, what a stupid rule. It should only apply to the player receiving the ball.

[Angelo]

Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.

McDonnell's tackle on Cregg was an innocuous foul, Cregg went down belatedly holding his head when there was absolutely no contact with it. He was hit fairly by Cavanagh in the next passage and Coldrick bizarrely gave him the free and booked McGeary for tackling him after it.

Cregg spent the whole game throwing himself to ground. The margin of victory would have been a lot wider had Coldrick reffed both sides under the same rules. I lost count about the amount of times Roscommon players swung a Tyrone man around by the neck and got away with a booking. HP McGeary was struck in the face when on the ground by Enda Smith in the first 50 seconds of the game after he had been fouled, it happened right in front of the linesman but nothing was done about it, McGeary to his credit got up off the ground fairly quickly and didn't make much of it but it was a certain red card had the referee seen it and done his job.

[Cunny Funt]

Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.

Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check

The game was very much in the melting pot 1st half and Roscommon could or should have led at the break, the fact they didn't came back to haunt and goals that was vital in the wins v Galway,Mayo didn't come v Tyrone.

I don't think losing to last years AI finalists by 4 points can be considered a reality check. Last years trimming v Tyrone in Croke Park certainly was and was one of the main reasons why Kevin McStay and his management stepped down.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.

My Da's bigger than your Da and he'll be round to you!   

[Kurtz]

Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.

Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check

The game was very much in the melting pot 1st half and Roscommon could or should have led at the break, the fact they didn't came back to haunt and goals that was vital in the wins v Galway,Mayo didn't come v Tyrone.

I don't think losing to last years AI finalists by 4 points can be considered a reality check. Last years trimming v Tyrone in Croke Park certainly was and was one of the main reasons why Kevin McStay and his management stepped down.

No it wasn't Rossies still waste too much possession
Scoring average is still not good enough to trouble top teams
Missed chances still don't count in any sport

[Estimator]

Thought Coldrick had a decent enough game made a few mistakes, (what ref doesn't over the course of 70+mins) a couple of the yellows were harsh, but I would still agree that they were frees. He missed a couple of frees on both sides, but wouldn't agree that he rode either side.

The challenges by McDonnell and Cavanagh both looked awkward from the refs point of view. As someone said early Cregg hit his head off the ground after the challenge by McDonnell which probably did more damage than the hit.

Tyrone were clearly the better side from the off and never looked like they were going to be troubled. Bit like Dublin in the second game. Got scores easier and definitely had another gear in them.

[Whishtup]

In my opinion, the refereeing standards are set by the semi finals and final.  Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal, Dublin are honing the acceptable levels of cynicism that are permitted on the big stage. At present, these are essential if you are to come within an arses hair of Dublin as they are now the masters of the so called 'Dark Arts'-3rd man taking out the tackler, blocking runs, miniscule tugs of the jersey-(this is not a dig at Dublin, by the way)  If the GAA are serious about consistency, you start with the final as setting the standard (with the best officials and technology in the country) and then roll it out across the competition. We need to get away from 'sure it's the final' mentality.

[Kurtz]

In my opinion, the refereeing standards are set by the semi finals and final.  Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal, Dublin are honing the acceptable levels of cynicism that are permitted on the big stage. At present, these are essential if you are to come within an arses hair of Dublin as they are now the masters of the so called 'Dark Arts'-3rd man taking out the tackler, blocking runs, miniscule tugs of the jersey-(this is not a dig at Dublin, by the way)  If the GAA are serious about consistency, you start with the final as setting the standard (with the best officials and technology in the country) and then roll it out across the competition. We need to get away from 'sure it's the final' mentality.

Mayo were masters of this all through the league
Refs pretty much ignored it. But if this is how the game will be played
Then so be it, the other teams need to do it too or they won't win anything

[weareros]

Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.

Now we know why Ballaghaderreen declare for Mayo.

They have our sympathies.

Such juvenile nonsense that belongs on Facebook. Can ye not debate football like men and women. I'm from Ballaghaderreen and will be Ros til I die. As for the game, Tyrone were clearly the better team and congrats on the win. Barring a shock now, both Tyrone and Dublin should qualify but I live in hope that some something interesting will happen next weekend. We looked very sluggish. That could be the 5 week layoff which Connacht Council will need to do something about in planning games, or just that we are still not at the pace of the top teams. We had to work very hard for our scores and got some great ones and unfortunately missed some easy ones. Realistically we needed a couple of goals to win this one and to maintain a clean sheet. We were unlucky in the former and lucky in the latter. That said I was optimistic at halft time as the breeze began to pickup. I thought we might see more long range efforts like we did in the league with the breeze in our favor but Tyrone controlled the second half very well. Never got to grips with McShane who will give Player of the Year a fair rattle this year. The wait to beat Tyrone goes on. While closer, we are still a good bit off at championship level. But lets see what next weekend brings. I have a feel there is a twist in this group yet.