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#76
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 01, 2024, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 05:52:03 PMInteresting judgement highlighting another flaw in the conflicting rules of the association.
Which flaw are you referring to? How did the DRA manage to come to a decision like this when the findings of the report on the allegations against  RG have not yet been concluded?
#77
General discussion / Re: King Charles III
March 01, 2024, 08:11:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2024, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2024, 04:54:21 PMI turned on ITV news yesterday evening and was expecting updates on all important troubled spots in the world but lo and behold the top news items were all about the Royals and the death of this 535th in line to the throne.
Found dead alone, no others involved? hmmm,

One of the Rothschilds kicked the bucket as well over the weekend, closely connected to the Royals allegedly.

Tough time for the house of Windsor, thoughts and prayers with them at this time!
It turns out he didn't die alone but alongside him lay his trusty shotgun. There's nothing suspicious as regards the death which was due to the large part of his head being blown to smithereens.
Could this spark off copycat suicides, with the Werther effect running rampant through the Royals and their followers?
#78
GAA Discussion / Re: The Advanced Mark
February 28, 2024, 08:47:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2024, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 28, 2024, 07:56:24 PMThe 4 step rule needs changed to 6, which most player are taking anyway running hard. Player way fitter now than 30yrs ago.
Yeah change it to 6 and enforce it, 6 steps is nothing now and letting it go isn't doing any harm, actually think it would do more harm to enforce the 4 steps
The 6 steps rule would end up being enforced as the 4 steps are now
8 steps would then become the norm, quasi AFL.

#79
GAA Discussion / Re: The Advanced Mark
February 28, 2024, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul

How would you play the ball without touching it?

Going around in circles here..

You can't touch the ball on the ground, If you are tackled with ball in hand you can play the ball by striking it along the ground while the ball is on the ground.

Definition for not playing the ball for me (with the whistle) is an incidental touch and not striking it away after having it in possession initially..

This is more common, as the player that falls to the ground is surrounded and he makes a failed attempt trying to lift the ball touches the ball (not trying to play/strike/add in whatever word that suits the attempt)

I have many times said "play on" when a player has done that which is usually followed by "he's touched the ball on the deck ref!"

There's a clear difference, I can't help you if you struggle with that

My original point was there shouldnt be any changes to the rules until we enforce the ones we have.

Touching the ball on the ground was one example. Could easily talk about the 4 steps which are never enforced or the 3rd man into a meele who is usually never sent off (unless its tyrone) or the player closed fist punching a player during a "tackle" which is never punished.
In the 1995 AI final, Canavan  was not in possession of the ball when it fell to ground, he just managed to parry the ball with one hand before it fell to ground. Didn't the ref get it right that day?

#80
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
February 28, 2024, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 28, 2024, 12:36:08 PM"Gallagher had been temporarily barred by the Ulster Council as they commissioned a safeguarding panel to look into domestic abuse allegations pertaining to his private life."

Not really sure what the point of this was. If they catch wind of brown envelope payments, drug use, various forms of abuse etc.., I wonder is this just the start of the panel's investigations into member's private lives?
The allegations of abuse were made in a very public dramatic manner, the GAA had no other choice, they are mandated to investigate allegations of violent male abuse against women and while the investigation is ongoing the accused has to stand down. But it should have been a country wide sanction.

While ex Ulster gaa president Mick Duffy was being investigated for serious child abuse cases he still was allowed to mingle and shake hands with the high and mighty on Ulster final  day at Casement, while his now adult victims had to witness that, i.e. until  a journalist brother of one of the accusers persuaded a newspaper to out Duffy.


#81
General discussion / Re: King Charles III
February 28, 2024, 04:54:21 PM
I turned on ITV news yesterday evening and was expecting updates on all important troubled spots in the world but lo and behold the top news items were all about the Royals and the death of this 535th in line to the throne.
Found dead alone, no others involved? hmmm,
#82
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 27, 2024, 11:16:19 PM
Quote from: dec on February 27, 2024, 10:37:52 PMJarlath was at Windsor Park this evening for UEFA 2028 discussions, had a present for ELP



Genuinely encouraging to see some banter like this from both sides hopefully it can continue despite the differences we may have.

Though there was a hint of downgrading the office of the first minister in the article.
After the match, Ms O'Neill and Mrs Little-Pengelly both praised the efforts of the NI team on the evening, with the Sinn Féin MLA saying it had been "a thoroughly enjoyable experience".
#83
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
February 28, 2024, 01:04:33 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2024, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 26, 2024, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.

He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it

He definitely wasn't!

https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag

Looks pretty clear that he's outside the square when the ball leaves the other player's hands.

It wasn't a set play, so he's allowed to enter the square before the ball does.
It's not clear at all where the line is, but it looks like he is outside what we think is the square when the ball is played in.
#84
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 27, 2024, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: statto on February 26, 2024, 04:35:44 PMGood luck trying to watch on iplayer absolutely horrific from the bbc. 

it is complete crap, you'd think they would load up a clean version.
I watched about 50 mins of the game on GAAGO and it was watchable but just SD quality, below GAAGO's current good standards.
#85
Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2024, 05:13:52 PMTo paraphrase the T. O. Playing Rules of Football
The tackle in Gaelic Football is a skill and is made on the ball.


In practice a good tackle is slapping the ball out of the hands if the player in possession.


TO also says goalkeeper may not be charged in the small parallelogram but may be challenged for possession
I get that bit, I never had any issue with the tackle. I was more thinking (in error) of a goal being scored by slapping a static ball out of the goalie's grip and that being against the rule on goals scored by the hand, rather than the ball falling over the line as a consequence of a legal tackle. 
#86
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?
#87
Was that a loose ball? The goalie jumped up straight from his line, clearly caught the ball and while mid-air the ball was slapped out of his grasp over the goal line by the ros player.
If it's legal I can accept, but I don't recall any such precedents where the goalie had the ball slapped out of his grasp in such a fashion.
 

#88
So it is allowed to slap the ball out of the goalie's grasp and if the ball goes over the goal line it is a goal?

Even though the rule book just has one exception
"A score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand"
#89
In the Ros v Mon game, the Monaghan goalie clearly caught a  high ball under the post, whilst he was midair a Ros player entered the area, jumped up and slammed the ball from the goalies' grip into the net along with the goalie.The ref awarded a goal.
How was it a goal under the rules? The ball was not in mid air.
I presume the ref thought it was in mid air, that the Ros player got to it before the goalie, he also consulted about the matter with 2 civilians in white coats.
#90
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
February 25, 2024, 09:00:49 PM
It's claimed that French players encroached upon the kicker therefore the ref should awarded another penalty.