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Show posts MenuQuote from: JoG2 on Today at 12:48:59 PMArmagh v Down - DOWN 4-2 on penalties
Donegal v Tyrone - TYRONE by 2
Quote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2024, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 25, 2024, 09:57:40 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 24, 2024, 10:33:49 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 24, 2024, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2024, 08:34:36 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 24, 2024, 08:25:27 PMOnly thing for sure is that there are no winners, but hopefully justice is service.
As I said before, it is hard to see how you can prove something 20 years ago beyond reasonable doubt, I doubt there were witnesses other than his wife.
Hearing other cases the PPS didn't prosecute due unlikelihood of conviction even when there is evidence, they must feel there's a high chance of conviction based on what ever evidence they have. No?
I've no idea myself - I'm doing a lot of reading between the lines and may well be getting it wrong.
Today was the 1st appearance. I'd be shocked if the PPS even have the full file yet let alone have made a decision. It would be unusual for them to have the full file yet particularly if the allegations only surfaced in March.
So does that mean the PPS could still decide not prosecute?
I've no idea how these things work, I'd made the assumption it only gets this far if the PPS are already in a position to prosecute.
Interesting.
Police once they arrest someone can question them for a total period of initially 24 hours before they must release them without charge or charge them. That time can be extended firstly by senior by police officers and then by courts. Until that time is used up police can release upon pre charge bail in order to gather further evidence but conditions are largely unenforceable (not going into the details of that here not really relevant). Once police believe they have sufficient evidence to establish a prime facie case they can charge. Alternatively they can release for report. Neither way suggests the evidence is any stronger or weaker than the other it more comes down to the perceived necessity by police for bail conditions and/or a remand. The reason some are charged is essentially that police believe there a likelihood of reoffending if not charged, is there a likelihood of interference with witnesses or is there a likelihood of absconding. Rarely there may be other reasons for charging such as to uphold public confidence but these are rare.
If an individual is charged they can be kept to the next remand court (the next day or two if its over a holiday or weekend) if PSNI feel that remand is necessary to meet the above. Or they can be released on post charge bail by the custody sergeant who will set a date within 28 days for a defendant to appear at court and will set bail conditions. That is what happened in this case.
After charge PSNI will continue to gather evidence and collate the already gathered evidence in order to submit a file to the PPS. Once a file is received it will be allocated to a suitably qualified prosecutor who will review the file and if necessary request the police to gather further evidence. Once the PPS have a full file they will decide whether to prosecute and what charges are to be prosecuted and where they are to be prosecuted.
Asking how long that process will last is like asking how long is a piece of string. I recently had a fast tracked one that took 14 months but I've had ones take anything from 4 months to 3 years. It depends on the amount of evidence, the quality, the likelihood of getting more, how busy the directing officer is, how busy the investigating officer is etc etc.
With a charge sheet case the court will keep under review how long things are taking. Had the case been taken for report then its simply a case of when PPS can get round to it, but defendants aren't on bail in report cases.
Statistically report cases have a higher conviction rate but a lower decision to prosecute rate but there's very little difference.
Ultimately all cases investigated by police are sent to PPS for decision. A lot never see the light of day, some get dropped after being charged and others get prosecuted the whole way to trial. At this moment nothing has happened that I am aware of that could lead to any proper conclusions on the strength of the evidence and we would simply be speculating.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 25, 2024, 02:36:36 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
I can never understand this post match analysis which counts the number of scores rather than total up the number of points. There is a reason why a goal is worth 3 points and that is because they are supposed to be much more difficult to score.
Mickey Harte has yet to prove that he can adapt tactically to prevent goal chances against his side while still carrying a goal threat at the other end of the pitch. He did neither last weekend.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 25, 2024, 07:31:42 PMThe GAA probably couldn't give 2 hoots whether there's a Euro soccer game in Belfast or not.
If the IFA, 6Cos Executive, Brit Govt and various soccer supporters want it then let them pay for it.
A 5,000 seat plus 15 to 20,000 standing would do the GAA in Belfast/Antrim just fine.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 24, 2024, 10:33:49 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 24, 2024, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2024, 08:34:36 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 24, 2024, 08:25:27 PMOnly thing for sure is that there are no winners, but hopefully justice is service.
As I said before, it is hard to see how you can prove something 20 years ago beyond reasonable doubt, I doubt there were witnesses other than his wife.
Hearing other cases the PPS didn't prosecute due unlikelihood of conviction even when there is evidence, they must feel there's a high chance of conviction based on what ever evidence they have. No?
I've no idea myself - I'm doing a lot of reading between the lines and may well be getting it wrong.
Today was the 1st appearance. I'd be shocked if the PPS even have the full file yet let alone have made a decision. It would be unusual for them to have the full file yet particularly if the allegations only surfaced in March.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on April 22, 2024, 09:10:22 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 22, 2024, 08:39:03 PMQuote from: OgraAnDun on April 22, 2024, 08:21:26 PMArmagh must be worth an each way bet. Likely to be top seeds having had some warm up matches to try systems/squad before the Ulster final against a jaded Donegal or Tyrone. They'll probably not have a better chance of making a semi or a final for a while.
In all seriousness, bar drawing Dublin I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a semi final. Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Derry, Galway, Mayo all very good teams but have their flaws, time we pushed on, sick of hard luck stories at the qf stage.
You have a serious chance of making top seed and then a 66% chance of drawing Clare or Louth/Kildare as 2nd seed in your group. Avoid the preliminary quarter final thereafter and you're set up to beat the hard luck stories!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2024, 09:42:36 PMWe see more what they like against Tyrone, hard to base on the Derry game, as they were gifted 3 goals and a easy enough penalty.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 24, 2024, 11:02:09 PMYou will have noticed that the LVF were generally unable to carry out any attacks in the Garvaghy Road and Tunnel areas of Portadown. They did once try to shoot up the Tír na nÓg clubhouse one night but apparently the gunman was shaking so much he missed the building. Billy Wright and his cohorts were very much protected and enabled by the RUC, everyone in Portadown was aware of this hence the RUC couldn't guarantee easy access and exit from any of the nationalist areas of town. As an aside Robert Hamill's mother died this week without seeing any justice for her son's murder.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 25, 2024, 09:12:54 AMI didn't see the Derry/Donegal match, but I am seriously impressed by any team allegedly out played who's best players were stymied but still managed 17 points. Goals win games but can be prevented. it was 15 scores to 17.
Quote from: Orior on April 24, 2024, 10:35:59 PMCan Cavan beat Monaghan? No, of course not.
Can Donegal beat Derry? No, don't be ridiculous.
Can Down surprise Armagh on Saturday? Hello no. Put your house and future salary on the orangemen.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2024, 08:34:36 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 24, 2024, 08:25:27 PMOnly thing for sure is that there are no winners, but hopefully justice is service.
As I said before, it is hard to see how you can prove something 20 years ago beyond reasonable doubt, I doubt there were witnesses other than his wife.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 24, 2024, 08:34:23 PMIf he's guilty of what he's alleged to be guilty of then he'd have no shame so wouldn't bat an eyelid about victims. If he's not no reason he shouldn't be in public life.
A completely mad one. Could be staring at a lengthy enough jail term. Who knows what way it will pan out.
Quote from: grounded on April 24, 2024, 05:48:07 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 24, 2024, 10:24:41 AMI dont think Mickey Harte will be too upset that Derry are out of the Ulster. They have the medals from the last 2 years in their pockets. Its all about SAM for them now. They get a nice 4 week break to get themselves ready. I would not be writing them off at all.
100% correct.