Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Louther]

If you need to get rid of someone do you not have a procedure or disciplinary process to enforce that requires them to leave or they are removed. Or do you start a bullying campaign that forces a person out, that is totally off the books as such? You leading with second option as been ok?

I'm not making any comment on how he left the party. I'm merely shining a light on the hypocrisy of those who sympathised with him being bullied out in 2015 and who today are demanding to know why he wasn't forced out sooner. And of course there should be procedures for removing someone, but I find it shocking to believe you support the idea that it should be within acceptable procedures for someone to be forced out of office for nothing more than rumours.

As for the second part - are you really that green that you don't know who these people are locally and what they involved in? Jesus wept!

So well known was his involvement in crime that nobody, yourself included, ever made reference to it until it hit the news. Funny that. Convenient to insist today that you knew all along though, eh?

That is some take on what I've said. Impossible to say anything about SF without words been twisted and turned.

How was I to know or comment on him back in early part of this decade, wasn't in my local council or that. We can comment on events that happened in past that we weren't aware off. The point been that those responsible in that area should be aware off and take action prior to rather than after the event and the have to remove said person.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Snapchap]

If you need to get rid of someone do you not have a procedure or disciplinary process to enforce that requires them to leave or they are removed. Or do you start a bullying campaign that forces a person out, that is totally off the books as such? You leading with second option as been ok?

I'm not making any comment on how he left the party. I'm merely shining a light on the hypocrisy of those who sympathised with him being bullied out in 2015 and who today are demanding to know why he wasn't forced out sooner. And of course there should be procedures for removing someone, but I find it shocking to believe you support the idea that it should be within acceptable procedures for someone to be forced out of office for nothing more than rumours.

As for the second part - are you really that green that you don't know who these people are locally and what they involved in? Jesus wept!

So well known was his involvement in crime that nobody, yourself included, ever made reference to it until it hit the news. Funny that. Convenient to insist today that you knew all along though, eh?

That is some take on what I've said. Impossible to say anything about SF without words been twisted and turned.

How was I to know or comment on him back in early part of this decade, wasn't in my local council or that. We can comment on events that happened in past that we weren't aware off. The point been that those responsible in that area should be aware off and take action prior to rather than after the event and the have to remove said person.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

Not twisting your words in the slightest. You have argued that he was known to be a criminal prior to running for SF.

"I don't think his was a secret prior to running. Dublin Inner city a small place and lot is known about who is who"

Bit odd to make that claim while also stating:

How was I to know or comment on him back in early part of this decade, wasn't in my local council or that

You've yourself tied in a knot in your sheer desperation to make this a SF story.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

What has the story actually got to do with SF?

Reminds me of the two recently convicted fraudsters in Cork. Former FG councillors, but not one news outlet (as far as I can see) referenced their past political party affiliation in their headlines on the case. So far, seemingly every news headline that I've seen on today's story has managed to include the "former SF councillor" bit into their headline. Funny that.

Big jump from fraud to murder.

And? The point is in the relevence of the individual's previois politicalparty affiliations.

Hard to see you as being anything more than a WUM in your reaction to this story. Unless you are actually trying to argue that SF are/should be responsible for the actions of all former members.

He was a party member. He's up on a Murder charge. It's a very serious crime. It's all factual. I can see as a SF supporter you don't like the facts but here we are.

Key word being "was". Are you suggesting SF should be responsible for the activities of former members?

What if he is a former member of his local library, should that not be referenced in the headlines too?

The local Library is a not a political party looking to be in government. This is the level of scrutiny that political parties are quite rightly subject to. You are just upset it is SF. You need to get over that.

Unless Mary Lou gave the order then it's irrelevant ffs.

You are missing the point, history shows they have no capability of weeding out bad apples early on

Seems this guy had lots of rumours in his involvement in criminal activities at the time and prior to him resigning for the party. Well known in local circles but he wasn't forced out the door or asked to resign, rather was subject to rumour and took it upon himself to resign as part of his defence into those rumours.

Not much vetting going on.

Funnily enough, the circumstances surrounding his departure from SF make it seem like he was in fact forced out. In fact, at the time, SF critics (people like you) were most outraged for his plight and were accusing SF of "bullying him" out.

Forced out? They not the backbone to remove him? They save face by forcing him out and not have to confront the issue head on.

Remove a sitting councillor for what? Rumours? Not much of a grounds for dismissal that. Wouldn't that have been another form of bullying? Certainly the likes of you would no doubt have been at great pains to insist as much.

Ask Carol Nolan.

Why? Was she removed from her position by the party over rumours around her private life? Here was me thinking she left the party over her stance on abortion.

She openly and very publicly talked about how she was bullied . Keep up

[Snapchap]

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

What has the story actually got to do with SF?

Reminds me of the two recently convicted fraudsters in Cork. Former FG councillors, but not one news outlet (as far as I can see) referenced their past political party affiliation in their headlines on the case. So far, seemingly every news headline that I've seen on today's story has managed to include the "former SF councillor" bit into their headline. Funny that.

Big jump from fraud to murder.

And? The point is in the relevence of the individual's previois politicalparty affiliations.

Hard to see you as being anything more than a WUM in your reaction to this story. Unless you are actually trying to argue that SF are/should be responsible for the actions of all former members.

He was a party member. He's up on a Murder charge. It's a very serious crime. It's all factual. I can see as a SF supporter you don't like the facts but here we are.

Key word being "was". Are you suggesting SF should be responsible for the activities of former members?

What if he is a former member of his local library, should that not be referenced in the headlines too?

The local Library is a not a political party looking to be in government. This is the level of scrutiny that political parties are quite rightly subject to. You are just upset it is SF. You need to get over that.

Unless Mary Lou gave the order then it's irrelevant ffs.

You are missing the point, history shows they have no capability of weeding out bad apples early on

Seems this guy had lots of rumours in his involvement in criminal activities at the time and prior to him resigning for the party. Well known in local circles but he wasn't forced out the door or asked to resign, rather was subject to rumour and took it upon himself to resign as part of his defence into those rumours.

Not much vetting going on.

Funnily enough, the circumstances surrounding his departure from SF make it seem like he was in fact forced out. In fact, at the time, SF critics (people like you) were most outraged for his plight and were accusing SF of "bullying him" out.

Forced out? They not the backbone to remove him? They save face by forcing him out and not have to confront the issue head on.

Remove a sitting councillor for what? Rumours? Not much of a grounds for dismissal that. Wouldn't that have been another form of bullying? Certainly the likes of you would no doubt have been at great pains to insist as much.

Ask Carol Nolan.

Why? Was she removed from her position by the party over rumours around her private life? Here was me thinking she left the party over her stance on abortion.

She openly and very publicly talked about how she was bullied . Keep up

She was accused of doing the bullying. Of a constituency worker in her office. Keep up.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

What has the story actually got to do with SF?

Reminds me of the two recently convicted fraudsters in Cork. Former FG councillors, but not one news outlet (as far as I can see) referenced their past political party affiliation in their headlines on the case. So far, seemingly every news headline that I've seen on today's story has managed to include the "former SF councillor" bit into their headline. Funny that.

Big jump from fraud to murder.

And? The point is in the relevence of the individual's previois politicalparty affiliations.

Hard to see you as being anything more than a WUM in your reaction to this story. Unless you are actually trying to argue that SF are/should be responsible for the actions of all former members.

He was a party member. He's up on a Murder charge. It's a very serious crime. It's all factual. I can see as a SF supporter you don't like the facts but here we are.

Key word being "was". Are you suggesting SF should be responsible for the activities of former members?

What if he is a former member of his local library, should that not be referenced in the headlines too?

The local Library is a not a political party looking to be in government. This is the level of scrutiny that political parties are quite rightly subject to. You are just upset it is SF. You need to get over that.

Unless Mary Lou gave the order then it's irrelevant ffs.

You are missing the point, history shows they have no capability of weeding out bad apples early on

Seems this guy had lots of rumours in his involvement in criminal activities at the time and prior to him resigning for the party. Well known in local circles but he wasn't forced out the door or asked to resign, rather was subject to rumour and took it upon himself to resign as part of his defence into those rumours.

Not much vetting going on.

Funnily enough, the circumstances surrounding his departure from SF make it seem like he was in fact forced out. In fact, at the time, SF critics (people like you) were most outraged for his plight and were accusing SF of "bullying him" out.

Forced out? They not the backbone to remove him? They save face by forcing him out and not have to confront the issue head on.

Remove a sitting councillor for what? Rumours? Not much of a grounds for dismissal that. Wouldn't that have been another form of bullying? Certainly the likes of you would no doubt have been at great pains to insist as much.

Ask Carol Nolan.

Why? Was she removed from her position by the party over rumours around her private life? Here was me thinking she left the party over her stance on abortion.

She openly and very publicly talked about how she was bullied . Keep up

She was accused of doing the bullying. Of a constituency worker in her office. Keep up.

So what you are actually saying is that when carol was a member of Sinn Féin she is accused of bullying someone and then some time later we know she also claims ( in lind with countless cases) to have been bullied. somebody bullied somewhere, and guess what it all happened within Offaly sinn fein .

Keep talking it's getting better all the time

[Snapchap]

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

What has the story actually got to do with SF?

Reminds me of the two recently convicted fraudsters in Cork. Former FG councillors, but not one news outlet (as far as I can see) referenced their past political party affiliation in their headlines on the case. So far, seemingly every news headline that I've seen on today's story has managed to include the "former SF councillor" bit into their headline. Funny that.

Big jump from fraud to murder.

And? The point is in the relevence of the individual's previois politicalparty affiliations.

Hard to see you as being anything more than a WUM in your reaction to this story. Unless you are actually trying to argue that SF are/should be responsible for the actions of all former members.

He was a party member. He's up on a Murder charge. It's a very serious crime. It's all factual. I can see as a SF supporter you don't like the facts but here we are.

Key word being "was". Are you suggesting SF should be responsible for the activities of former members?

What if he is a former member of his local library, should that not be referenced in the headlines too?

The local Library is a not a political party looking to be in government. This is the level of scrutiny that political parties are quite rightly subject to. You are just upset it is SF. You need to get over that.

Unless Mary Lou gave the order then it's irrelevant ffs.

You are missing the point, history shows they have no capability of weeding out bad apples early on

Seems this guy had lots of rumours in his involvement in criminal activities at the time and prior to him resigning for the party. Well known in local circles but he wasn't forced out the door or asked to resign, rather was subject to rumour and took it upon himself to resign as part of his defence into those rumours.

Not much vetting going on.

Funnily enough, the circumstances surrounding his departure from SF make it seem like he was in fact forced out. In fact, at the time, SF critics (people like you) were most outraged for his plight and were accusing SF of "bullying him" out.

Forced out? They not the backbone to remove him? They save face by forcing him out and not have to confront the issue head on.

Remove a sitting councillor for what? Rumours? Not much of a grounds for dismissal that. Wouldn't that have been another form of bullying? Certainly the likes of you would no doubt have been at great pains to insist as much.

Ask Carol Nolan.

Why? Was she removed from her position by the party over rumours around her private life? Here was me thinking she left the party over her stance on abortion.

She openly and very publicly talked about how she was bullied . Keep up

She was accused of doing the bullying. Of a constituency worker in her office. Keep up.

So what you are actually saying is that when carol was a member of Sinn Féin she is accused of bullying someone and then some time later we know she also claims ( in lind with countless cases) to have been bullied. somebody bullied somewhere, and guess what it all happened within Offaly sinn fein .

Keep talking it's getting better all the time

What I'm saying is that:

1. You incorrectly claimed she was bullied.

2. That the fact that you are shoehorning Carol Nolan into the discussion shows just how much you are struggling to make todays story about SF. It really is laughable.

[Itchy]

I feel like Fear Bun Na Sceilpe is bullying me. Now I've written it and claimed it we can all agree its fact.

[Boycey]

There should be bans handed out for the overuse of the quote function on this thread....

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

What has the story actually got to do with SF?

Reminds me of the two recently convicted fraudsters in Cork. Former FG councillors, but not one news outlet (as far as I can see) referenced their past political party affiliation in their headlines on the case. So far, seemingly every news headline that I've seen on today's story has managed to include the "former SF councillor" bit into their headline. Funny that.

Big jump from fraud to murder.

And? The point is in the relevence of the individual's previois politicalparty affiliations.

Hard to see you as being anything more than a WUM in your reaction to this story. Unless you are actually trying to argue that SF are/should be responsible for the actions of all former members.

He was a party member. He's up on a Murder charge. It's a very serious crime. It's all factual. I can see as a SF supporter you don't like the facts but here we are.

Key word being "was". Are you suggesting SF should be responsible for the activities of former members?

What if he is a former member of his local library, should that not be referenced in the headlines too?

The local Library is a not a political party looking to be in government. This is the level of scrutiny that political parties are quite rightly subject to. You are just upset it is SF. You need to get over that.

Unless Mary Lou gave the order then it's irrelevant ffs.

You are missing the point, history shows they have no capability of weeding out bad apples early on

Seems this guy had lots of rumours in his involvement in criminal activities at the time and prior to him resigning for the party. Well known in local circles but he wasn't forced out the door or asked to resign, rather was subject to rumour and took it upon himself to resign as part of his defence into those rumours.

Not much vetting going on.

Funnily enough, the circumstances surrounding his departure from SF make it seem like he was in fact forced out. In fact, at the time, SF critics (people like you) were most outraged for his plight and were accusing SF of "bullying him" out.

Forced out? They not the backbone to remove him? They save face by forcing him out and not have to confront the issue head on.

Remove a sitting councillor for what? Rumours? Not much of a grounds for dismissal that. Wouldn't that have been another form of bullying? Certainly the likes of you would no doubt have been at great pains to insist as much.

Ask Carol Nolan.

Why? Was she removed from her position by the party over rumours around her private life? Here was me thinking she left the party over her stance on abortion.

She openly and very publicly talked about how she was bullied . Keep up

She was accused of doing the bullying. Of a constituency worker in her office. Keep up.

So what you are actually saying is that when carol was a member of Sinn Féin she is accused of bullying someone and then some time later we know she also claims ( in lind with countless cases) to have been bullied. somebody bullied somewhere, and guess what it all happened within Offaly sinn fein .

Keep talking it's getting better all the time

What I'm saying is that:

1. You incorrectly claimed she was bullied.

2. That the fact that you are shoehorning Carol Nolan into the discussion shows just how much you are struggling to make todays story about SF. It really is laughable.

My da would batter your da and your das brothers .

[Snapchap]

You're a strange one.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Lol. It's Derry humour when arguement going nowhere a chara

[Rossfan]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40277060.html

[pbat]

I think it would be no harm to get rid of Anderson, bit of a liability.

[Kidder81]

It's nepotism run mad with Sinn Fein in Derry

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Yep and I was accused of being obsessed and mad. I've had the inside line on it from the start. I know the lot. The worst can't even be publicised. Rotten people