Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Rossfan]

Could I point out that applicants for International Protection are not illegal.
If their application is rejected and they don't leave and don't appeal then they are illegally in the State.
Anither example woukd be someone who'd got a visa for a term and didn't leave when it expired.

No Irish person would do the likes of that anywhere of course🙄.

[tonto1888]

Could I point out that applicants for International Protection are not illegal.
If their application is rejected and they don't leave and don't appeal then they are illegally in the State.
Anither example woukd be someone who'd got a visa for a term and didn't leave when it expired.

No Irish person would do the likes of that anywhere of course🙄.

Never. But we dont talk about that do we............

[burdizzo]

Could I point out that applicants for International Protection are not illegal.
If their application is rejected and they don't leave and don't appeal then they are illegally in the State.
Anither example woukd be someone who'd got a visa for a term and didn't leave when it expired.

No Irish person would do the likes of that anywhere of course🙄.

Never. But we dont talk about that do we............

So, because we have Irish in American and Australia over-staying their visas, we should let all illegals here stay on?
It's like "because we already have murderers in Ireland, we should let in a heap more".

Obviously, it's up to Americans to deport those who are in their country illegally.

By the way, tonto1888 (I think it was you who asked), the 7% figure for forced deportation comes from an Irish Times article from earlier this year looking at figures for the last 5 years. Unfortunately, it's now behind a paywall but, as I recall, there was something like a further 7% that voluntarily left the state. However, these were never followed up on, so could in reality be less.

[whitey]

Could I point out that applicants for International Protection are not illegal.
If their application is rejected and they don't leave and don't appeal then they are illegally in the State.
Anither example woukd be someone who'd got a visa for a term and didn't leave when it expired.

No Irish person would do the likes of that anywhere of course🙄.

Never. But we dont talk about that do we............

So, because we have Irish in American and Australia over-staying their visas, we should let all illegals here stay on?
It's like "because we already have murderers in Ireland, we should let in a heap more".

Obviously, it's up to Americans to deport those who are in their country illegally.

By the way, tonto1888 (I think it was you who asked), the 7% figure for forced deportation comes from an Irish Times article from earlier this year looking at figures for the last 5 years. Unfortunately, it's now behind a paywall but, as I recall, there was something like a further 7% that voluntarily left the state. However, these were never followed up on, so could in reality be less.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/deportations-without-court-hearings/index.html

And in the States you can be kicked out of the country almost immediately (without a court hearing) if you over stay a visa

" In recent years, immigration authorities have increasingly fast-tracked their efforts to kick certain people out of the United States without court hearings in a process known as "expedited removal."

Only about 15% of the roughly 400,000 people who are removed from the United States each year ever go before a judge, according to Greg Chen, advocacy director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association."

You're not entitled to years of frivolous appeals paid for by the taxpayer either

[tonto1888]

Could I point out that applicants for International Protection are not illegal.
If their application is rejected and they don't leave and don't appeal then they are illegally in the State.
Anither example woukd be someone who'd got a visa for a term and didn't leave when it expired.

No Irish person would do the likes of that anywhere of course🙄.

Never. But we dont talk about that do we............

So, because we have Irish in American and Australia over-staying their visas, we should let all illegals here stay on?
It's like "because we already have murderers in Ireland, we should let in a heap more".

Obviously, it's up to Americans to deport those who are in their country illegally.

By the way, tonto1888 (I think it was you who asked), the 7% figure for forced deportation comes from an Irish Times article from earlier this year looking at figures for the last 5 years. Unfortunately, it's now behind a paywall but, as I recall, there was something like a further 7% that voluntarily left the state. However, these were never followed up on, so could in reality be less.

Didn't say that at all but it does seem that some people think one rule for them and one for us.

Yeah it was me who asked. Cheers for that. Shame it's behind a paywall. I'd like to read that and see more details on the figures. It's a topic I have a genuine interest in

[Milltown Row2]

I love the immigrant complaining about immigrants 

[full moon]

They attacked a PBP meeting in Dublin last night as well.

I don't support PBP but they're entitled to have their meetings free from harassment by extremist xenophobic scumbags.

The National Party were attacked with knives in Enniskillen last year at a meeting by a bunch of Dissidents and far left Antifa types.

Wasn't much sympathy for them or police help. Guess that's okay to the usual mob on here.

[Armagh18]

They attacked a PBP meeting in Dublin last night as well.

I don't support PBP but they're entitled to have their meetings free from harassment by extremist xenophobic scumbags.

The National Party were attacked with knives in Enniskillen last year at a meeting by a bunch of Dissidents and far left Antifa types.

Wasn't much sympathy for them or police help. Guess that's okay to the usual mob on here.

2 showers of wankers.

[GTP]

Yeah it was me who asked. Cheers for that. Shame it's behind a paywall. I'd like to read that and see more details on the figures. It's a topic I have a genuine interest in

Irish TImes
Conor Gallagher
Tue Mar 21 2023 - 05:00

Less than 7 per cent of the more than 4,500 deportation orders issued in the last five years have been seen through by force, according to Department of Justice figures.
A further 9.2 per cent of failed asylum seekers left the country themselves after their applications were unsuccessful, leaving some 3,900 people, more than 80 per cent, with an unknown status. Security sources said a large proportion of these applicants would have left the State without telling the authorities, but the exact figure is impossible to determine.
In total, 4,631 deportation orders were issued by the Government to people whose asylum applications were rejected between 2018 and last year. Gardaí enforced 314 such orders, according to figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.
The Department of Justice assisted another 430 people to self-deport, according to separate figures released in response to a parliamentary question. This is done by referring failed asylum seekers to the International Office for Migration (IOM) which assists them with voluntarily returning to their country of origin.
Asked about the issue, the department said many other people leave the country "of their own accord". A spokeswoman said forced deportations were only carried out as a "last resort, where the person concerned has not removed themselves or engaged with the IOM to avail of assisted voluntary return measures".
Just 26 deportations were carried out by force last year, representing some 5 per cent of the deportation orders issued.
The highest number of forced deportations were carried out in 2019, when 155 people (some 6.7 per cent of total deportation orders issued) were escorted out of the State by gardaí.
"Deportation and removal processes are an essential part of any immigration system; it must be acknowledged that those who do not have a legal right to remain in this country must return to their own country, following fair procedure and having gone through all available avenues for appeal," the department spokeswoman said.
"A person subject to a deportation order has no legal basis to remain in the State. Their case to remain in the State has been considered in detail and all available appeals processes have been exhausted."
She said deportation orders were not enforced during the Covid-19 pandemic, "except in cases of individuals whose presence in Ireland would be contrary to the public interest". Just 33 such orders were issued in 2020, with five forced deportations and 33 self-deportations recorded.
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar told the Dáil earlier this month that "work is being done to increase the number of deportations to countries of transit and countries of origin". He said deportations were difficult to carry out "and you can only ever do a certain number".
However, he said the deportations carried out had "an important deterrent effect".
"If people believe that if they come to the country, claim international protection and have no prospect of being deported, this will increase the number of people who come here invalidly."
Separately, 24 people were removed from Ireland last year under the Dublin Convention, which states asylum seekers must seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.
"While the numbers of transfers effected appear low, it should be noted that Dublin regulation transfers can be challenging to enforce due to a number of factors, including potential legal challenges and transfer arrangements which need to be made with the returning country," Minister for Justice Simon Harris said earlier this month.

[Rossfan]

They attacked a PBP meeting in Dublin last night as well.

I don't support PBP but they're entitled to have their meetings free from harassment by extremist xenophobic scumbags.

The National Party were attacked with knives in Enniskillen last year at a meeting by a bunch of Dissidents and far left Antifa types.

Wasn't much sympathy for them or police help. Guess that's okay to the usual mob on here.

2 showers of wankers.

Maybe so but the PBPers got 5 TDs elected while the others lost 40 odd deposits in 2020.
I wonder what happened to Litler's gold?

[clarshack]

They attacked a PBP meeting in Dublin last night as well.

I don't support PBP but they're entitled to have their meetings free from harassment by extremist xenophobic scumbags.

The National Party were attacked with knives in Enniskillen last year at a meeting by a bunch of Dissidents and far left Antifa types.

Wasn't much sympathy for them or police help. Guess that's okay to the usual mob on here.

2 showers of wankers.

Agree and the irony is Antifa are as fascist as those they claim to be against. Weren't they listed as a Terrorist organisation in the US?

[tonto1888]

Yeah it was me who asked. Cheers for that. Shame it's behind a paywall. I'd like to read that and see more details on the figures. It's a topic I have a genuine interest in

Irish TImes
Conor Gallagher
Tue Mar 21 2023 - 05:00

Less than 7 per cent of the more than 4,500 deportation orders issued in the last five years have been seen through by force, according to Department of Justice figures.
A further 9.2 per cent of failed asylum seekers left the country themselves after their applications were unsuccessful, leaving some 3,900 people, more than 80 per cent, with an unknown status. Security sources said a large proportion of these applicants would have left the State without telling the authorities, but the exact figure is impossible to determine.
In total, 4,631 deportation orders were issued by the Government to people whose asylum applications were rejected between 2018 and last year. Gardaí enforced 314 such orders, according to figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.
The Department of Justice assisted another 430 people to self-deport, according to separate figures released in response to a parliamentary question. This is done by referring failed asylum seekers to the International Office for Migration (IOM) which assists them with voluntarily returning to their country of origin.
Asked about the issue, the department said many other people leave the country "of their own accord". A spokeswoman said forced deportations were only carried out as a "last resort, where the person concerned has not removed themselves or engaged with the IOM to avail of assisted voluntary return measures".
Just 26 deportations were carried out by force last year, representing some 5 per cent of the deportation orders issued.
The highest number of forced deportations were carried out in 2019, when 155 people (some 6.7 per cent of total deportation orders issued) were escorted out of the State by gardaí.
"Deportation and removal processes are an essential part of any immigration system; it must be acknowledged that those who do not have a legal right to remain in this country must return to their own country, following fair procedure and having gone through all available avenues for appeal," the department spokeswoman said.
"A person subject to a deportation order has no legal basis to remain in the State. Their case to remain in the State has been considered in detail and all available appeals processes have been exhausted."
She said deportation orders were not enforced during the Covid-19 pandemic, "except in cases of individuals whose presence in Ireland would be contrary to the public interest". Just 33 such orders were issued in 2020, with five forced deportations and 33 self-deportations recorded.
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar told the Dáil earlier this month that "work is being done to increase the number of deportations to countries of transit and countries of origin". He said deportations were difficult to carry out "and you can only ever do a certain number".
However, he said the deportations carried out had "an important deterrent effect".
"If people believe that if they come to the country, claim international protection and have no prospect of being deported, this will increase the number of people who come here invalidly."
Separately, 24 people were removed from Ireland last year under the Dublin Convention, which states asylum seekers must seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.
"While the numbers of transfers effected appear low, it should be noted that Dublin regulation transfers can be challenging to enforce due to a number of factors, including potential legal challenges and transfer arrangements which need to be made with the returning country," Minister for Justice Simon Harris said earlier this month.

cheers though I do not think the dublin convention does state that. Rather - Under the terms of the Dublin Regulation "there is no obligation on asylum seekers to claim in the first country they enter. Rather, they set out a hierarchy of criteria for states to decide which country should assume responsibility for considering the asylum application", according to the House of Commons Library. Having said that: "one of the relevant factors for determining responsibility is which Member State the asylum seeker first entered or claimed asylum in."

[whitey]

They attacked a PBP meeting in Dublin last night as well.

I don't support PBP but they're entitled to have their meetings free from harassment by extremist xenophobic scumbags.

The National Party were attacked with knives in Enniskillen last year at a meeting by a bunch of Dissidents and far left Antifa types.

Wasn't much sympathy for them or police help. Guess that's okay to the usual mob on here.

2 showers of wankers.

Maybe so but the PBPers got 5 TDs elected while the others lost 40 odd deposits in 2020.
I wonder what happened to Litler's gold?

So PBP/Solidarity combination received 57K first preference votes in 2020

Aontu received 41k
Freedom Party received 5.5K
Renua received 5.4K
Natl Party received 4.7K

For a total of 56 K odd first preference votes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Irish_general_election

[Rossfan]

Why are you putting Aontú in with that sh1te?

[tonto1888]

whats the deal with Aontú