Russophobia

[whitey]

So your evading the question by highlighting things I agree with. I've never endorsed what's going on with the West and the oppression of the Palestinian people so why are you bringing that up, hold on I know why. Your one of those clowns who can do anything but answer a straight question so we'll leave it there.

When it comes down to it Russia has far more integrity and moral superiority than the US. It's a fact.

Give 10 examples for each
Otherwise STFU

Cleary you are some sort of crazed neo-liberal who think the West have a divine right to meddle in democracy. Russia have a patch on America when it comes to blood on their hands, what history generally tells us is that Russia has been on the right side of these conflicts.

1. Hiroshima/Nagasaki
2. Vietnam
3. Assisting Pinochet overthrow the government and backing his reign in Chile
4. Al Qaeda
5. Backing Israel in the middle east
6. Backing Saddam in the war with Iran
7. Bay of Pigs
8. Invasion of Iraq
9. Backing of Noreiga
10. Syria

The Soviet Union backed Israel post 1948
I don't see any moral decisions of Russia highlighted.

Why was Chechnya invaded?
Were barrel bombs in Syria a good idea ?
Was it fair to take German land as far as the Oder in 1945?
How is Kaliningrad going ?

Why didn't you choose Bhutan ?

You have just proven my point there.

A lot of those things you have referenced are hotly disputed and much of it western propaganda.
You haven't even been able to list 10.
And they don't even come close to the American savagery I've listed above.

This isn't even close, as far as morality and integrity go, Russia have it in bucket loads when you compare and contrast it to Americans.

You just seem to be a Western shill who will try and defend and justify all the inherent evil of the USA.

That's worse than teenage Syferus.

The Soviets occupied European countries after WW2
Many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered.
Putin was an officer in the KGB. I don't believe Biden did anything similar.
Looking for decency in realpolitik is a waste of time.

He must have never heard of Pol Pot or Stalin

[sid waddell]

Sure the Russians collaborated with the Nazis

[Angelo]

So your evading the question by highlighting things I agree with. I've never endorsed what's going on with the West and the oppression of the Palestinian people so why are you bringing that up, hold on I know why. Your one of those clowns who can do anything but answer a straight question so we'll leave it there.

When it comes down to it Russia has far more integrity and moral superiority than the US. It's a fact.

Give 10 examples for each
Otherwise STFU

Cleary you are some sort of crazed neo-liberal who think the West have a divine right to meddle in democracy. Russia have a patch on America when it comes to blood on their hands, what history generally tells us is that Russia has been on the right side of these conflicts.

1. Hiroshima/Nagasaki
2. Vietnam
3. Assisting Pinochet overthrow the government and backing his reign in Chile
4. Al Qaeda
5. Backing Israel in the middle east
6. Backing Saddam in the war with Iran
7. Bay of Pigs
8. Invasion of Iraq
9. Backing of Noreiga
10. Syria

The Soviet Union backed Israel post 1948
I don't see any moral decisions of Russia highlighted.

Why was Chechnya invaded?
Were barrel bombs in Syria a good idea ?
Was it fair to take German land as far as the Oder in 1945?
How is Kaliningrad going ?

Why didn't you choose Bhutan ?

You have just proven my point there.

A lot of those things you have referenced are hotly disputed and much of it western propaganda.
You haven't even been able to list 10.
And they don't even come close to the American savagery I've listed above.

This isn't even close, as far as morality and integrity go, Russia have it in bucket loads when you compare and contrast it to Americans.

You just seem to be a Western shill who will try and defend and justify all the inherent evil of the USA.

That's worse than teenage Syferus.

The Soviets occupied European countries after WW2
Many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered.
Putin was an officer in the KGB. I don't believe Biden did anything similar.
Looking for decency in realpolitik is a waste of time.

Lots of conjecture and vagueness there. You are scraping the barrel there and still can't come up to any Russian foreign policy than comes near the American savagery.

Seeing a western still like you trying to defend the indefensible is amusing.

[Angelo]

The anti-Russian racists are out in force.

[whitey]

Sure the Russians collaborated with the Nazis

Well they were National Socialists

[Angelo]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

[Milltown Row2]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

I would say your are right, the Russians were first to Berlin and didn't leave till 89, kept every country happy after that.

Did you think that was ok or just Western propaganda?

[sid waddell]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

They certainly played a very large part in defeating the Nazis

They also collaborated with them

[Angelo]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

I would say your are right, the Russians were first to Berlin and didn't leave till 89, kept every country happy after that.

Did you think that was ok or just Western propaganda?

The Russians did a great job in WW2 and subsequently.

[seafoid]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

27 million dead.
The price was far too high and the group trauma continues.
Ireland knows all about group trauma from a long time ago and what it does

Here are 10 Soviet atrocities

Katyn, when the Polish officer class was destroyed
The deportation of the Crimean Tatars
The Ethnic cleansing of East Prussia and the Sudetenland etc
The murder of 20% of Estonia's population during Soviet occupation
The deportation of the Kulaks
The Ukrainian famine
Mass rapes of German civilians after WW2
Hungarian revolution 1956
Czechoslovak Revolution 1968
The murder of Raoul Wallenberg

As bad if not worse than anything the Yanks did

[Milltown Row2]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

I would say your are right, the Russians were first to Berlin and didn't leave till 89, kept every country happy after that.

Did you think that was ok or just Western propaganda?

The Russians did a great job in WW2 and subsequently.

Subsequently stealing land, toppling governments building walls? Is that what you mean?

[Angelo]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

27 million dead.
The price was far too high and the group trauma continues.
Ireland knows all about group trauma from a long time ago and what it does

Here are 10 Soviet atrocities

Katyn, when the Polish officer class was destroyed
The deportation of the Crimean Tatars
The Ethnic cleansing of East Prussia and the Sudetenland etc
The murder of 20% of Estonia's population during Soviet occupation
The deportation of the Kulaks
The Ukrainian famine
Mass rapes of German civilians after WW2
Hungarian revolution 1956
Czechoslovak Revolution 1968
The murder of Raoul Wallenberg

As bad if not worse than anything the Yanks did

Sigh.

You seem to be a believer in fairytales, you actually believe the western propaganda in reference to all those events?

My, my, how gullible are you?

The fact that you are equating some of those fantasies to backing and making genocidal maniacs like Pinochet, Saddam and Noriega shows you for the the kind of poisonous neo-liberal views you uphold.

I've one question for you. Why do you hate people from third world countries?

[Milltown Row2]

Not going to answer? Ok

[seafoid]

It was the Russian who defeated the Nazis. But of course Western propaganda finds it difficult to accept.

27 million dead.
The price was far too high and the group trauma continues.
Ireland knows all about group trauma from a long time ago and what it does

Here are 10 Soviet atrocities

Katyn, when the Polish officer class was destroyed
The deportation of the Crimean Tatars
The Ethnic cleansing of East Prussia and the Sudetenland etc
The murder of 20% of Estonia's population during Soviet occupation
The deportation of the Kulaks
The Ukrainian famine
Mass rapes of German civilians after WW2
Hungarian revolution 1956
Czechoslovak Revolution 1968
The murder of Raoul Wallenberg

As bad if not worse than anything the Yanks did

Sigh.

You seem to be a believer in fairytales, you actually believe the western propaganda in reference to all those events?

My, my, how gullible are you?

The fact that you are equating some of those fantasies to backing and making genocidal maniacs like Pinochet, Saddam and Noriega shows you for the the kind of poisonous neo-liberal views you uphold.

I've one question for you. Why do you hate people from third world countries?

Have you ever lived in a third world country? I have lived in 3.
You are just an arsehole.

[Look-Up!]

Stalin definitely defeated Hitler but it was sheer weight of numbers kept the Russians in the game and eventually weather and diesel, or lack of it to be more precise, conspired to defeat Uncle Joe's one time ally.
To try and attribute the victory to any great strategy on his part, or to try and paint Stalin as anything other than an unschooled, unhinged ape would be a bit disingenuous to history.
The Russian liberators were an undisciplined degenerate mob who done unspeakable horrors. Maybe war does that to people but the Soviet way of things certainly contributed. They weren't helped either by Stalin's constant paranoia and by that stage a lot of the military's best generals and leaders had been "reassigned".
Hitler was the great menace up to that point but I think the western leaders got an eye opener in the summer of 45 when they actually had to deal with Stalin.