2017 All-Stars

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mup

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

That Kildare Chaps name is Kevin Feely. You might remember him from the Leinster Final.

Maroon Manc

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Mayo played 10 championship games whilst Roscommon played Leitrim, Galway and Mayo twice. Keegan scored 1-3 from play against Roscommon.

He had one great performance against a decent side all summer, miles away from all star material.


TheGreatest

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 21, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran

Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈

Funniest thing I have seen in a while, beaten twice, conceded loads, Mayo only deserve 2 or 3 all stars. 

JoG2

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 21, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.

Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.

Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.

Cian OSullivan, I just don't see it, never have.  The man marks fresh air and looks decent in plenty of space, the 1 time all year a team put pressure on him, he's very average. Shouldn't be within a country mile of the All Stars.

nrico2006

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh.  Cavanagh was immense this year.  Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

Maroon Manc

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2017, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh.  Cavanagh was immense this year.  Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.

Doherty deserves one ahead of McLaughlin & AOS, he had 2 great games against Kerry and a good final but will probably miss out. I know Rock was quiet enough leading up to the final but I thought he had a very good final, 4 points from play and 2 brilliant frees under a lot of pressure.


yellowcard

Quote from: JoG2 on September 22, 2017, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 21, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.

Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.

Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.

Cian OSullivan, I just don't see it, never have.  The man marks fresh air and looks decent in plenty of space, the 1 time all year a team put pressure on him, he's very average. Shouldn't be within a country mile of the All Stars.

I do think he is over rated but he is a very intelligent player and a specialist in the role of sweeper. Occupy him with man marking duties though and he can be fairly average. Still think he will just about get into the team. All it really shows though is the folly of lining out an Allstars team in a traditional 1-3-3-2-3-3 format. It's a nice honour for the players but it is an unjust system skewered towards teams who get to the final. 

AZOffaly

Quote from: mup on September 21, 2017, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly

Kevin Martin deserved his too.

You are our resident Offaly expert so can I ask you this.

Did Pat Delaney also get Hurler of the Year and not an All Star in the same year?

Just saw this now. You're spot on. In 1981 Pat Delaney got Texaco Player of the Year, but no Allstar. In 1985 he did get an Allstar.

Orchard park

Pat Delaney what a hurler and what a character

seafoid

I think a D2,3,4 all star team would be a great idea.
Too many great players get ignored just because they play on weaker teams.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

mup

Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2017, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: mup on September 21, 2017, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly

Kevin Martin deserved his too.

You are our resident Offaly expert so can I ask you this.

Did Pat Delaney also get Hurler of the Year and not an All Star in the same year?

Just saw this now. You're spot on. In 1981 Pat Delaney got Texaco Player of the Year, but no Allstar. In 1985 he did get an Allstar.

I didn't actually know that till someone else mentioned it to me. I did google it last night and found out it was true. There was such a furore over Brian Whelehan that I thought it was the first and last time something like that would happen.

The internet would explode if it happened nowadays.

mup

Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
I think a D2,3,4 all star team would be a great idea.
Too many great players get ignored just because they play on weaker teams.

Bad enough splitting Dublin in to North and South without splitting them into postal codes!!

Maroon Manc

Some posters seem to think Cluxton is a certainty to win an All Star, I just don't see that as Clarke has had a brilliant year and Cluxton had a poor first half in terms of his kickouts.

Boyle, Higgins, Barrett & Moran are all certainties to win All Stars as are McCarthy, McCaffrey, Callaghan & Mannion. I don't think anyone else is guaranteed to win one. Cavanagh was outstanding and probably deserves one but will probably miss out to McCarthy & Parsons.

Syferus

#88
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2017, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 21, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.

Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.

I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?

Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.

The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.

Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.

All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.

Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh.  Cavanagh was immense this year.  Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.

Only a Tyronie would say something that daft and follow up with praise for their own man.

Wildweasel74

#89
i give it at go at mine.

1. S Cluxton, 2. M Fitzsimmons, 3. C O`Sullivan,  4.K Higgins 5. McCaffrey/ Boyle? 6. C Barnett, 7.L Keegan, 8. T Parsons, 9. J McCarthy, 10. K McLoughlin 11. C O`Callaghan, 12. C Kilkenny, 13. D Rock, 14. P Geaney, 15 A Moran,

Only change i could see is Rock to half forward in front of Kilkenny and P Mannion coming in, in the corner

Near Misses, Clarke, C Cavanagh, P Mannion, P Doherty, O`Shea

I would have put McCarthy in at 5 and Cavangh Midfield but you can`t do that.

had Mayo won, Clarke, O`Shea and Doherty and possible O`Connor would have been in.