Down 10/3 Monaghan 3/10. 8/1 Draw
Will take Monaghan with a minus 5 handicap
Way onyou go tony
Down have a serious chance here to win this game but I think Monaghan will just edge it
2 points Monaghan
Fermanagh to beat Armagh
The odds say it all, a serious challenge for Down next Saturday, hope Monaghan approach the match with one eye on the Ulster final then you never know!!
If Down conceded two goals (and it could have been a few more) against Armagh I shudder to think what Mc Manus and Co will do.
Btw I agree that Fermanagh will beat Armagh.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 14, 2017, 07:38:48 AM
If Down conceded two goals (and it could have been a few more) against Armagh I shudder to think what Mc Manus and Co will do.
Btw I agree that Fermanagh will beat Armagh.
Have to agree with you on that one, although I think Down will play a lot more defensively against Monaghan than they did in the first half against Armagh.
Quote from: Targetman on June 13, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
The odds say it all, a serious challenge for Down next Saturday, hope Monaghan approach the match with one eye on the Ulster final then you never know!!
If there's one thing they've learned from the two championship outings to date it will be that i.e. take nothing for granted. They will also be acutely aware (and reminded..) of Longford, in Clones, last year...
I know it may seem like a 'first world problem' but a concern of mine is that when we have taken the lead at the critical juncture (i.e. half-way through the second half) we haven't finished teams off. We have a propensity to keep the opposition in the game instead of the killing the game off, like the boys above us do..
Listen, we're moving along nicely, we're getting boys back from injury and giving invaluable experience to the the full squad. Our bench is stronger than I ever remember which is a serious asset to have, especially in the minefield that is the USFC.
This match still on? ;D
Quote from: SamFever on June 20, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
This match still on? ;D
Does "match" not have implications of similarity between the contestants?
This is Barnier vs Davis.
Quote from: SamFever on June 20, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
This match still on? ;D
Just posting in solidarity given the failure of most on the television coverage of the Tyrone game to recognise that Monaghan had a game before they met Tyrone in the Ulster final. Otherwise it was quite funny to see Down dismissed in such a derisory manner.
Tell me what Down have shown for them not to be dismissed in such a derisory manner?
Beaten a disgracefully bad Armagh team? Scraped a draw with a Cork team that just got by Waterford?
Monaghan will win this game at a canter
Monaghan are miles ahead of Down. They should win pulling up. I travel to Armagh in the hope that we can put in a performance against a genuine all ireland contender.
I'd expect Down to be much improved, this is a semi final and Down will be out to compete to win. I'd be content with a win of any shape, anything more positive than a draw.
Monaghan are a bit like Ireland at the rugby world cup.
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2017, 09:11:20 PM
Monaghan are a bit like Ireland at the rugby world cup.
Ireland are a team punching way above their weight? I don't think so..
Quote from: Boycey on June 20, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2017, 09:11:20 PM
Monaghan are a bit like Ireland at the rugby world cup.
Ireland are a team punching way above their weight? I don't think so..
They never get past the qf...
Newstalk and Colm orourke have already decided this fixture is not required as they are both looking fwd to Monaghan v Tyrone in the ulster final.
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Colm tipped Donegal to beat Tyrone.
Mattie Donnelly said he was looking forward to Monaghan in the final in an interview then he corrected himself.
Its a forgone conclusion in any case
Down have the players to challenge Monaghan. Jerome Johnston and Ryan Johnston are easily good enough to cause any defenders problems. McKernan is an All-star and quality. Elsewhere I just don't buy that Monaghan are loaded with players who are hugely naturally more talented than Down's footballers.
But Monaghan have much better training and tactics behind them. Their conditioning is superior and they are an experienced united team. If everything clicks for Down then I think we could compete. But it is unlikely that everything will click. That is the point of training and tactics to force things to click. Monaghan are way ahead on that front.
So yeah, I think Monaghan will win, but I just don't see the reason why we couldn't have the potential to come up to their standard with the right training/management. If Donegal proved one thing they proved that a bunch of written off also rans can become real challengers with the correct preparation, because they should not have been written off also rans.
Is McKernan fit? His arm looked bad after thegame against us.
I don't see anything other than Monaghan winning with a bit to spare I'm afraid
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 21, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
Down have the players to challenge Monaghan. Jerome Johnston and Ryan Johnston are easily good enough to cause any defenders problems. McKernan is an All-star and quality. Elsewhere I just don't buy that Monaghan are loaded with players who are hugely naturally more talented than Down's footballers.
But Monaghan have much better training and tactics behind them. Their conditioning is superior and they are an experienced united team. If everything clicks for Down then I think we could compete. But it is unlikely that everything will click. That is the point of training and tactics to force things to click. Monaghan are way ahead on that front.
So yeah, I think Monaghan will win, but I just don't see the reason why we couldn't have the potential to come up to their standard with the right training/management. If Donegal proved one thing they proved that a bunch of written off also rans can become real challengers with the correct preparation, because they should not have been written off also rans.
No he's not.
McKernan was named on the GPA All Star team in 2010, but not on the official GAA version of that year. However, as the two schemes were amalgamated the following season, and are now officially known as the GAA GPA Stars, it would be difficult to argue that the previous awards had a different status.
Was an All Star then
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh riiiiiite....the GPA allstars.
I see.
I wonder well Down or Monaghan decide to kick the ball long from kickouts a lot more now after they saw how successful it was last Sunday?
Are Down strong around the middle?
How long have Monaghan been on the go? Didn't they lose against the Larries last year?
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
How long have Monaghan been on the go? Didn't they lose against the Larries last year?
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I can remember Monaghan playing football in the 80s so at least that long.]
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 21, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
I wonder well Down or Monaghan decide to kick the ball long from kickouts a lot more now after they saw how successful it was last Sunday?
Are Down strong around the middle?
I would consider Monaghan to have the upper hand in this area with the two Hughes starting.
Last year the scoreline was Down 0-9 Monaghan 2-22 and I don't think a huge pile has changed for either side since then.
Down have found a slight bit of form this year compared to last, but it's not anything to get that excited about - the win over Armagh, beating Meath and Derry and drawing with Cork in the league.
They also lost to Fermanagh, Clare and Kildare in this year's league.
I think if Monaghan have their shooting boots on they might well hand out another beating.
Monaghan have named an unchanged team, with Darren Hughes listed on the bench. Tommy Freeman is also included in the subs according to the county's website - it must be a while since he was last involved.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2017, 10:34:12 PM
Monaghan have named an unchanged team, with Darren Hughes listed on the bench. Tommy Freeman is also included in the subs according to the county's website - it must be a while since he was last involved.
It must be Darren Freeman - no relation - Tommy Freeman hasn't played county football in a few years now.
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Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2017, 10:34:12 PM
Monaghan have named an unchanged team, with Darren Hughes listed on the bench. Tommy Freeman is also included in the subs according to the county's website - it must be a while since he was last involved.
It must be Darren Freeman - no relation - Tommy Freeman hasn't played county football in a few years now.
Tommy Freeman, I thought I was dreaming when I read that first.. ;D
Great to see young Freeman from Clones get included in the squad. I'd imagine he could get a run if the game opens up a bit in the second half. Impressive in the Dublin senior league so far, by all accounts.
There's some competition on the subs bench to get a decent run out.
Yeah good to see Freeman get a shot, sounds like he's been in good form for St Brigids. He'd be a good man to bring on along with McCarthy when the game opens up. Some good attacking options there now.
Where did Christopher McGuinness and Hanratty disappear to?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 03:52:32 PM
Where did Christopher McGuinness and Hanratty disappear to?
Hanratty couldn't be too old?
Monaghan are stronger all over the field, on the bench and on the line. O'Rourke is a grizzly veteran of Ulster battles and last year's massacre in Clones was the worst trimming I've ever seen in the USFC. The Wylies and Walsh take no prisoners, the Hughes Bros are class acts and as for McManus..... They probably have one more shot at the big time and we know from last year that they're not a back door team so make no mistake they will be up for it. And yet....5 years ago at the same stage at the same venue it looked like a tanking was on the cards until a wee man from Kilcoo said 'to hell with this,we're Down and we don't go out of the championship like lambs', and up popped a certain Darren O'Hagan to fire over the winner. If that happens again the place to be is MacGowans in Almerimar😁
If that happens again you'll know you're dreaming.
I remember the crowing on here from some Down fans about that facile victory in 2012.
A decade of revenge is in order.
Quote from: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
If that happens again you'll know you're dreaming.
I remember the crowing on here from some Down fans about that facile victory in 2012.
A decade of revenge is in order.
revenge wont be an issue, we have no chance against yis. Sure we're only heading to armagh tomorrow night to get out of the house for the evening.
Main Street, when you refer to `that facile victory in 2012', is that the same game when Down came from behind after Monaghan led by nine points just before half time ? Monaghan have since gone to to a much higher level than Down, and we have been at a low ebb, particularly we were hammered at Clones last year, so it is a little cruel to suggest that our last really impressive USC win was somehow facile in nature.
Brilliat rendition or terrible, I'm siding with the former.
Monaghan dominant but very wasteful so far/
Nine minute wait for the first score of the game and then three scores come within a minute.
Coldrick doing his best for Down here.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
Coldrick doing his best for Down here.
giving them everything
Monaghan don't look as good when teams attack them, losing all defensive match ups.
Down with their tails up. Monaghan look a little shell shocked.
thats a shocking decision
Wylie had hold of his leg and did a judo throw ffs.
Should have been a hop ball, Harrison was fouling Wylie while Wylie retaliated.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Wylie had hold of his leg and did a judo throw ffs.
wylie had the ball and your man was on his back ?
Right decision, not allowed to pull the ball from someone
Holy smokes - four point lead
Conor maginn is a quality wee player. Spraying it about here.
Still expect monaghan to put the squeeze on later but entertaining match.
Where did this Down appear from?
I'm not surprised at Monaghan to be honest
Terrible dive, does Coldrick not know that he dives so much at this stage?
Jesus, where was this Down team when they were in Div 1 two years ago?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 24, 2017, 07:32:49 PM
Where did this Down appear from?
I'm not surprised at Monaghan to be honest
Teams can get serious momentum after beating Armagh.
Ah that's a magnificent pt from McManus.
thats worth the admission money alone from mcmanus
McManus is class and will likely turn the game.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
Coldrick doing his best for Down here.
Jusf For Men
His died black hair is terrible!!
Great game. Down always a dangerous beast with a bit of wind in their sails. They're shooting into the preferred end in the 2nd too.
Good entertaining game.
I suppose we'll be hearing about the Down "swagger" non stop now!
Yeah, Brolly is already wetting himself. ::)
Good game so far, we badly needed those last couple of points at the end there. We've been shite enough in parts but we've never really been a first half team so I won't press the panic button yet. Credit to Down though, some nice scores there. They'll be kicking into a slight breeze this half.
Coldrick pulling out, if he wasn't fit enough last week he shouldn't have been fit enough this week.
Coldrick out injured.
Hair dye ran into his eyes
BBC and replays, looked a penalty anyway.
Down 1-12 Monaghan 0-8 :o
This is brilliant stuff, Monaghan not responding well yet.
Mooney is a good footballer but he needs to stop shooting!
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
Mooney is a good footballer but he needs to stop shooting!
He is getting so much space though.
That Johnston lad for Down reminds me of Tiernan McCann.
Similar style.
And hair.
Ridiculous free considering Johnson got his head taken off down the other end.
Monaghan don't have the forwards to chase games.
Brilliant pass from Maginn, pity about the finish.
Down starting to tire.
The standard of football is poor at times, commitment from Down is excellent though.
Yes. Down may be out of steam. I hope not. Breath of fresh air. It's a smashing contest. Monaghan have not recovered from their shock last year by the same Longford that also best Down. It's a funny auld game!
Darren Hughes shouldn't have got a free there though.
Neilan is being disgraceful at this stage.
Great point though.
Fascinating game.
Score update?
Can someone shoot Tommy truck?
Exciting closing stages.
Goalie touched that on ground outside box
Umpire was looking right at it. Neilan has saved Monaghan today.
He got a kick in the puss for his troubles.
Monaghan 0-7 Down 0-1 the last 25 mins can Down hang on?
If i were a down fan i wouldn't be happy with that ref.
Ref riding Down.
If I was Monaghan I wouldn't be happy with that kick!
Quote from: Rois on June 24, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
Score update?
Down 1-13 Mon - 0-15...2 mins of injury time left.
Mccarron very poor.
Armagh on a par with Monaghan so.
Wow.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2017, 08:33:09 PM
Monaghan 0-7 Down 0-1 the last 25 mins can Down hang on?
Thank you Beffs, am in the middle of the Alps, no Irish bar to keep me right. D1ck.
Fair play
Ah that was great.
Great contest, happy for Down. Can't see them giving Tyrone a game though, they are a bit off in quality still. Great workrate and spirit though.
So delighted for Down, a county that plays football the right way. Stunning and much needed jolt to the championship.
Quote from: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
If that happens again you'll know you're dreaming.
I remember the crowing on here from some Down fans about that facile victory in 2012.
A decade of revenge is in order.
You were saying
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
One thing I took from that game - Cavan must be some crock of shite.
Showed Monaghan too much respect.
Monaghan on the way downhill it seems.
Congrats to Down. The championship is great when you have underdog wins like that.
Up Down.
I was thinking they would do it.
Impeccable pedigree
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 24, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
Ref riding Down.
the other lad rode monaghan in the 1st half so i suppose it balances out. Dont know why mcmanus didnt grab the ball for that last free
What a game. Fair play to Down.
Really glad one or two bad ref decisions didn't rob them.
Tyrone would have been happier meeting Monaghan in the final.
Fair play to Down for hanging on with the ref riding them any chance he got.
Great game.Eamon Burns might even win the Maiden of the Mournes competition this year
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
One thing I took from that game - Cavan must be some crock of shite.
Your obsession with Cavan continues...
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
Up Down.
I was thinking they would do it.
Impeccable pedigree
I was expecting you to say it was Uaisleacht ;D
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 24, 2017, 08:41:59 PM
Tyrone would have been happier meeting Monaghan in the final.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Congratulations Down.
Always happy to see our fellow aristocrats (up North) doing well.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 24, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
Great game.Eamon Burns might even win the Maiden of the Mournes competition this year
You lost a few pound the night and not round your belly! ;D
Could we have another 1991 on the cards?
Is it time to start the talk of what happened last time down went 23 years without a Sam?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2017, 08:41:36 PM
Really glad one or two bad ref decisions didn't rob them.
One or two? i just caught the last 15 minutes and thought the ref got every single decision wrong in that period. He was horrendous.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 24, 2017, 08:42:09 PM
Fair play to Down for hanging on with the ref riding them any chance he got.
That ref should say a prayer of thanks to Jack McCarron for missing that free at the end. Down were ridden rock solid by him in the 2nd half. He was an absolute disgrace and got monaghan back into it. I hope that down 14 is fit for the Ulster final. He had a great game.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
Congratulations Down.
Always happy to see our fellow aristocrats (up North) doing well.
Surely Meath will be inspired by that
Great result for D2 as well
Quote from: Niall Quinn on June 24, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Is it time to start the talk of what happened last time down went 23 years without a Sam?
Well in both cases neither team in the first round saw much potential in the Marshes.
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2017, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
Congratulations Down.
Always happy to see our fellow aristocrats (up North) doing well.
Surely Meath will be inspired by that
Great result for D2 as well
Never heard of D2 camaraderie before but i suppose when youve been in it as long as Meath and Galway you will end up growing some sort of an attachment.
Massive upset there. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Come on Down
Really disappointed with Jack McCarron today. He was brilliant against us in clones when he got a lot of space but he didn't want to know tonight. Never got into and couldn't handle the physical stuff and really poor free at the end
Well done Down .
The bar.I broke even,by taking the 15/8 on Down on offer at half time
Lovely to see supporters crying with joy once more. This could be a year of upsets!
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Really disappointed with Jack McCarron today. He was brilliant against us in clones when he got a lot of space but he didn't want to know tonight. Never got into and couldn't handle the physical stuff and really poor free at the end
He had a great league but has totally lost form in the championship.
Sport and surprise and commitment and bodies on the line. Thats why we love this game of ours. Up Down! Think ill float to the top of Slieve Donard tomorrow!
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Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 01:07:38 AM
It would be considered a miracle if either of them won an Ulster semi final this year.
Stop exaggerating. Monaghan are the likely semi final opponents and they were beaten by division three Longford last summer at home.
That "miracle" arrived Fearon.
Thoroughly enjoyable match there this evening. Fair play to Down, they brought a lot of physicality that some of the Monaghan lads didn't handle at all well. The sub referee was very poor and I hope he's marked accordingly by the assessors.
Wow. Just f**king wow.
A brilliant win by the Down men
Men against boys that was
Tony when Down get going they do not fear anyone unlike the orange man
Kevin McKernan immense all evening.Immense
Exciting game and a great (thoroughly deserved) upset win for Down.
As has been already mentioned I thought that the replacement referee rode Down sideways in the second half as well, some inexplicable decisions.
Hardstation away back to the Antrim chat
Give us a shout when the McKenna cup starts
Men against boys :o
Enjoy yer win boys and it was great viewin, but dont lose the run of yerself hi
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Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 24, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
A brilliant win by the Down men
Men against boys that was
Tony when Down get going they do not fear anyone unlike the orange man
Kevin McKernan immense all evening.Immense
Men against boys, after a 2 point, nail biting win.
Good lad, Smurfy!
Poor auld hardstation. Ripping! Down won get over you imbecile
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Really disappointed with Jack McCarron today. He was brilliant against us in clones when he got a lot of space but he didn't want to know tonight. Never got into and couldn't handle the physical stuff and really poor free at the end
He had a great league but has totally lost form in the championship.
I think league football & heavier pitches suit him.
Hasn't the burst of speed or agility to make space for himself in summer football.
The down way and swagger is back. Should be A great Ulster final. That Down team can win the all Ireland back for Ulster.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Really disappointed with Jack McCarron today. He was brilliant against us in clones when he got a lot of space but he didn't want to know tonight. Never got into and couldn't handle the physical stuff and really poor free at the end
He had a great league but has totally lost form in the championship.
I think league football & heavier pitches suit him.
Hasn't the burst of speed or agility to make space for himself in summer football.
Far too one footed.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
Congratulations Down.
Always happy to see our fellow aristocrats (up North) doing well.
Embarrassing coattailing. Let down have their day ffs.
So this was their 'day' was it?
I suppose you'll hammer them in the final, yeah?
Sickening arrogance as usual.
Quote from: rrhf on June 24, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 24, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
Congratulations Down.
Always happy to see our fellow aristocrats (up North) doing well.
Embarrassing coattailing. Let down have their day ffs.
Better coattailing than coat trailing.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 24, 2017, 09:06:27 PM
The bar.I broke even,by taking the 15/8 on Down on offer at half time
lol took the bait!!
Are Monaghan over rated? Was surprised Wylie stayed on the whole game.. got some roasting..well done Down.
Well earned win for Down in an exciting game, Down worked hard to hold out in those last minutes. No complaints here.
The word "swagger" shall heretofore always be used to describe Down football in the way the same way the word "mushrooms" is about Cork hurling, "yerra" is about Kerry football, "infighting" is about Galway hurling and "chokers" is about Mayo football.
The last month has seen an unprecented quadruple red revival.
i) Arsene Wenger and Arsenal.
ii) Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
iii) Cork hurling.
iv) Down football.
Down football and Wexford hurling both being back in the big time brings great pleasure to the romantics among us, like me.
Wonderful stuff.
What a championship season it's turning into. The GAA has become a bit like UK politics. A force-fed diet of negativity can sometimes provoke a joyous revival of hope.
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 10:11:06 PM
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Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 24, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
A brilliant win by the Down men
Men against boys that was
Tony when Down get going they do not fear anyone unlike the orange man
Kevin McKernan immense all evening.Immense
Men against boys, after a 2 point, nail biting win.
Good lad, Smurfy!
Poor auld hardstation. Ripping! Down won get over you imbecile
When have you ever heard of a 2 point win being referred to as "men against boys"?
Ridiculous comment.
Nah mate you have a bee in your bonnet about Down. They won get over it lad.
Congrats Down. Amazing performance and just shows what can be achieved when you believe.
Monaghan outside of Clones are a different animal
No better sight than Down with a bit of swagger about them.
This psychologist lad is working wonders.
Down will be hard stopped now. We have seen this Lazarus stuff before.
Quote from: thebar on June 24, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 24, 2017, 09:06:27 PM
The bar.I broke even,by taking the 15/8 on Down on offer at half time
lol took the bait!!
Never has a losing bet, some pup.
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 24, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
A brilliant win by the Down men
Men against boys that was
Tony when Down get going they do not fear anyone unlike the orange man
Kevin McKernan immense all evening.Immense
Men against boys, after a 2 point, nail biting win.
Good lad, Smurfy!
Poor auld hardstation. Ripping! Down won get over you imbecile
When have you ever heard of a 2 point win being referred to as "men against boys"?
Ridiculous comment.
Nah mate you have a bee in your bonnet about Down. They won get over it lad.
Ok, I apologise. It really was one way traffic from start to finish. Down were simply streets ahead of Monaghan throughout.
Now you're just being a silly boy
Brilliant for the mourne men
Great performance
Thought mc Kieran excellent
But all over they all s Stepped up
Ref helped Monaghan
Hopefully they take Ulster 👍🏻
That's from an Armagh man
You did what we wanted to do
So fair play
Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 10:36:33 PM
No better sight than Down with a bit of swagger about them.
This psychologist lad is working wonders.
Aye the down psychiatrist is worth his weight in gold. I
Hardstation you are right. The boys against men comment was not suited to this game at all. However though, if it was the game last week where Tyrone beat a very young Donegal team then I would agree.
Thought that match was fantastic entertainment this evening and was delighted Down won despite most people including the "experts" writing them off.
People usually base their opinions on past games to form an opinion. But i think its just all on the day. Down obviously put in a lot of hard hours behind the scenes to get to this level that quite a few didn't notice. It must be great to go into a game as big underdogs.
Unreal performance, every player give everything for the jersey. Great to see such a big and loud support turn out and have something to shout about. Still buzzing. Brillant to be back in ulster final.
Congrats to Down. Monaghan can have no complaints, the better team won by far. In fact the two point loss flattered us. In a game where we had so many misplaced mistakes and sloppy passes, we still were only a kick of a ball away, and it would have been a robbery had we got something out of that. Beggan had a shocker and Harrison gave Drew the runaround.
All the best in the final, it would be great to see another day of the underdog.
Quote from: Taylor on June 20, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Tell me what Down have shown for them not to be dismissed in such a derisory manner?
Beaten a disgracefully bad Armagh team? Scraped a draw with a Cork team that just got by Waterford?
Monaghan will win this game at a canter
.
Good man
Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2017, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 20, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
This match still on? ;D
Does "match" not have implications of similarity between the contestants?
This is Barnier vs Davis.
Good man
You know when all is said and done there is no substitute for sheer determination.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 23, 2017, 07:10:53 PM
Monaghan are stronger all over the field, on the bench and on the line. O'Rourke is a grizzly veteran of Ulster battles and last year's massacre in Clones was the worst trimming I've ever seen in the USFC. The Wylies and Walsh take no prisoners, the Hughes Bros are class acts and as for McManus..... They probably have one more shot at the big time and we know from last year that they're not a back door team so make no mistake they will be up for it. And yet....5 years ago at the same stage at the same venue it looked like a tanking was on the cards until a wee man from Kilcoo said 'to hell with this,we're Down and we don't go out of the championship like lambs', and up popped a certain Darren O'Hagan to fire over the winner. If that happens again the place to be is MacGowans in Almerimar😁
For a wee man from Kilcoo read a big man from Glasdrumman. The joy of the championship🐑
Another cracking match in the championship! It's been great so far. Down put their bodies on the line and wanted it more. The very first passage of play reminded me of the Tyrone/Kerry game in 2004(I think) - swarms of down men chasing after a Monaghan player to get the ball. Some cracking marks in the game as well. It's always good to see Down doing well though I can't see them beating Tyrone. Hopefully they can kick on from here, get a couple more wins and inspire them get their underage teams going again.
Does Down have any plans to get a set up similar to Garvaghy that Tyrone have?
Fair play down, thought Monaghan would win handy
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
Would like to see the penalty again. I only quickly caught the final replay but it appeared that the Down man tripped over a Monaghan boy who was, at the time, doing nothing but lying on the ground.
He attempted to tackle and fell in front of the Down player who tripped over him denying a goal scoring chance. Penalty juat about I reckon.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 21, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
Down have the players to challenge Monaghan. Jerome Johnston and Ryan Johnston are easily good enough to cause any defenders problems. McKernan is an All-star and quality. Elsewhere I just don't buy that Monaghan are loaded with players who are hugely naturally more talented than Down's footballers....
I thought Monaghan would win, I admit that but I did say that this idea that Monaghan's players are so much more talented than ours was not true. I stand by that.
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
Would like to see the penalty again. I only quickly caught the final replay but it appeared that the Down man tripped over a Monaghan boy who was, at the time, doing nothing but lying on the ground.
I was sat fairly close to it and had a good view, and initially thought we were hard done by. But I haven't watched it back and put that thought down to bias, which is usually the case.
I have heard a few saying it wasn't a clear cut penalty so I'll have to get another look at it. It's a pity as it was only really after the goal that I began to think we'd left ourselves with too much to do. Regardless of how the penalty was given, it was a shocking kick out by Beggan to give Down the opportunity.
I'd call it a penalty every day of the week. Walshe came in from behind with a clumsy enough tackle, fell infront of the down player and caused him to go to ground. Denied a certain clear attempt at goal although not the worst foul in the world.
Down certainly paid for that 50/50 call as the got the square root of f**k all for the rest of the half.
It was a classic encounter.
One one hand you had Monaghan men who thought they only had to turn up they being a top 4 team and all. Then you had Down who just decided f**k it we will go for it and see what happens. Not sure does it make Down a good team or Monaghan a poor team, most likely its somewhere in the middle. Enjoyed the spectacle.
Timing is everything and I've just read Kevin Cassidy's article in the Gaelic Life.
He strongly tipped Donegal last week so he spent most of this article saying how wrong he was and so his last short paragraph says.
"Meanwhile I will think twice before I back against Tyrone again, well at least until they cross paths with Monaghan anyway. "
Stop digging Kev.
Defo penalty but at the same time it was sorta soft.
It was a cute as f**k move. He tired to made it look like he accidentally fell in such a way to stop the Down man advancing but it was quite deliberate. If it was out the field you'd rarely get a free for it.
I recorded the game and watched it later in the evening. Don't think I fast forwarded once during the whole game. Mighty stuff.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 25, 2017, 12:05:40 AM
I recorded the game and watched it later in the evening. Don't think I fast forwarded once during the whole game. Mighty stuff.
I wish I'd thought to do the same!
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 25, 2017, 12:12:21 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 25, 2017, 12:05:40 AM
I recorded the game and watched it later in the evening. Don't think I fast forwarded once during the whole game. Mighty stuff.
I wish I'd thought to do the same!
I recorded it on both RTE and the BBC just to see the difference in vibe between the 2 stations.
As for the penalty decision, a monaghan player got a free in the 1st half when a down man was on the ground by simply falling over him so it was fair to give the penalty
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2017, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
Would like to see the penalty again. I only quickly caught the final replay but it appeared that the Down man tripped over a Monaghan boy who was, at the time, doing nothing but lying on the ground.
I was sat fairly close to it and had a good view, and initially thought we were hard done by. But I haven't watched it back and put that thought down to bias, which is usually the case.
I have heard a few saying it wasn't a clear cut penalty so I'll have to get another look at it. It's a pity as it was only really after the goal that I began to think we'd left ourselves with too much to do. Regardless of how the penalty was given, it was a shocking kick out by Beggan to give Down the opportunity.
I think the penalty was for the push in the back after the ball spilled
Monaghan missed a few right at the start. It was 0-0 for a long time.
Tyrone will be thinking get a good first 20 minutes v Down.
1st thing that was a mighty game and a real battle. Fair play to down. Some supporters beside me felt down were much more up for the game after the pen. They were also biting their nails in injury time when monaghan should have dug out a Draw. But not to be. Over the 70+mins the better team won. They won the key battles. They kicked some wonderful scores too. I thought monaghan mixed a lot of good with too much bad. Wides cost us in the end. In the start actually, as we should have been 4 or 5 up early on.
2 weeks to recover is better than last years 1. But its always tough to get over a defeat in a tough game like tonight. Good luck to down in the final
Down deserved the win, it would have been an injustice should Monaghan snatched a draw, the only reason they came back into it was Harrison going off, an dun Abu
Fair play to Down, Monaghan reverted to type and swanned into that match not thinking about Down but wondering would it be hard to get the bus up the hill in Clones for the Ulster final.
Normal standard Monaghan.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 24, 2017, 11:26:20 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 20, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Monaghan are miles ahead of Down. They should win pulling up. I travel to Armagh in the hope that we can put in a performance against a genuine all ireland contender.
Good man
As a Down man I went to Armagh last night hoping we would stay close. The post above was a bit tongue in cheek in reference to the media. No one gave Down a hope in hell. Recorded on bbc2 watched it last night Oisin said b4 the game it will be something similar to last year. Fantastic performance. Down showed a toughness I haven't seen for.many years in a Down team. For a long time we were too nice last night we were tough and a great performance. Yes Monaghan missed kickable scores. So did Down early on. 2 Johnsons and big Turley missed kickable scores. Fantastic performance.
Monaghan were complacent and after shock of encountering Down's newly developing backbone couldn't shift up a gear. Down almost blew it at the end. Check out M Harte laughing in the stands.
Did many more Down fans attend expecting a hiding than Monaghan fans who thought their team just needed a run out and shooting practice?
So, Armagh must be a fair team after all? ;)
Great game
Walsh dived in front of the down man for the penalty but then lifted both legs up in the air in an attempt to stop the Down man. It was soft....ish but a penalty in my book
Very few games you wouldnt flick over to another channel at some point but you couldnt take your eyes off this. It was class. One point to note though when monaghan were down by a point you get the ball to your go to man, even if its to walk up and hand it to him from a yard away (obviously mcmanus). He would either wriggle and get fouled or work a shot....if he misses ....f it...the right thing was done.
I thought of the great Chicago Bulls team in the last few mins when they were 1 down. They would take a time out and and discuss how to get the ball to Jordan. Even without a time out they knew to do so. They didnt even let Scottie Pippen ( mccarron) take that melting pot shot. And they CERTAINLY DID NOT LET DENNIS f**king RODMAN (Wylie) take that shot. Even if Rodman was free to shoot for a 3 ( wylie) he knew better (even when all helter skelter in last seconds) and would work it to the man Jordan ( mcmanus).
For all Downs quality and fantastic performance yesterday the ref rode them....because he did monaghan should have worked a draw. From mcmanus scored to leave just 2 in it (and then hughes scored to put 1 in it...Hughes is another pippen) they didnt work the ball to him again, not once. Chicago Bulls wouldnt have made that mistake. Game management (needed by all players, not just a few with their heads screwed on..hughes wouldve knew to work it to mcmanus). The Bulls went all the way, they were champions. Monaghan are not
Quote from: UlsterMan2 on June 25, 2017, 01:37:48 AM
Down deserved the win, it would have been an injustice should Monaghan snatched a draw, the only reason they came back into it was Harrison going off, an dun Abu
I would say that Coldrick going off was worse for us.
Being as fair as possible I thought the ref was only wrong about one free he gave Monaghan in the second half. There was one excellent tackle that was blown. But what he did do, was allow them to over-carry consistently. That hurt Down's ability to defend badly. Secondly he gave Jerome none of the frees that he was giving to Monaghan at the other end. During Monaghan's comeback we should have had at least two easy free kicks which would totally have taken the sting out of the comeback.
It was more than one easy free. Darrem Hughes overcarried. Free in and point came of it. Also he gave a free to Monaghan when Down turned over at kick out. Beggan handled on ground not given. One time Darren Hughes went for mark but dropped it but ref blew for mark. One of the worst refs I've ever seen in terms of applying the rules.
Enjoyable game for the neutral. Down looked great for 50 minutes and then seemed to go into their shell and seemed to try and run down the clock. Looked almost suicidal laying loads of lateral passes inside the 21. Would not have liked be a Down supporter then.
And great credit to Monaghan (wash my mouth out with soap) they almost won it at the end. Hate to get them in the qualifers.
Decent match to watch, good atmosphere and competitive football. Plenty of defensive stuff as well but that's modern football and it really could have gone either way, Monaghan dominated the first 10 and last 20 minutes whilst Down were the better side in between. Also a tale of 2 referees, Coldrick who gave Down everything and the sub ref who after he gave Down a softish penalty gave Monaghan several soft frees to bring them back into the match. Overall a Poor display by Monaghan though and I think Tyrone will be licking their lips at the prospect of playing an ordinary Down side in the final.
Quote from: Gold on June 25, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
I thought of the great Chicago Bulls team in the last few mins when they were 1 down. They would take a time out and and discuss how to get the ball to Jordan. Even without a time out they knew to do so. They didnt even let Scottie Pippen ( mccarron) take that melting pot shot. And they CERTAINLY DID NOT LET DENNIS f**king RODMAN (Wylie) take that shot. Even if Rodman was free to shoot for a 3 ( wylie) he knew better (even when all helter skelter in last seconds) and would work it to the man Jordan ( mcmanus).
For all Downs quality and fantastic performance yesterday the ref rode them....because he did monaghan should have worked a draw. From mcmanus scored to leave just 2 in it (and then hughes scored to put 1 in it...Hughes is another pippen) they didnt work the ball to him again, not once. Chicago Bulls wouldnt have made that mistake. Game management (needed by all players, not just a few with their heads screwed on..hughes wouldve knew to work it to mcmanus). The Bulls went all the way, they were champions. Monaghan are not
The chances, the momentum and the time were there for Monaghan to score, they failed at that and therefore didn't earn a chance of a replay or a win, had they done so, it would have been earned.
Football is not that complicated.
The crucial final free kick to recover a game, is missed just as often as it's converted.
We've missed a few and converted quite a few of our late chances in the championship, perhaps just often as other teams missed their last good chance against us.
But because Monaghan are not the great Chicago Bulls basketball team, therefore they're not champions?
I hadn't thought about that insightful piece of gold before ::)
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 25, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Monaghan were complacent and after shock of encountering Down's newly developing backbone couldn't shift up a gear. Down almost blew it at the end. Check out M Harte laughing in the stands.
Did many more Down fans attend expecting a hiding than Monaghan fans who thought their team just needed a run out and shooting practice?
So, Armagh must be a fair team after all? ;)
Armagh are the people's champions
Quote from: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
If that happens again you'll know you're dreaming.
I remember the crowing on here from some Down fans about that facile victory in 2012.
A decade of revenge is in order.
how did that work out for ya???
Monaghan are seriously overrated, sure Longford beat them in the championship last year ffs.
Shocking performance from Monaghan but the good news is we will give Down some trimming in the final.
The wide count in first 10mins spelled trouble for Monaghan but more telling was when there was a bit of handbags along sideline early on. Mc Manus & McCarron got thrown to the ground. Zero Of their colleagues came in to help as they were swamped by up for it down players.
They just didn't have the fight and it's why they will never be a top team.
Down are a poor outfit, can't wait to get at them
Quote from: Taylor on June 25, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
Shocking performance from Monaghan but the good news is we will give Down some trimming in the final.
The wide count in first 10mins spelled trouble for Monaghan but more telling was when there was a bit of handbags along sideline early on. Mc Manus & McCarron got thrown to the ground. Zero Of their colleagues came in to help as they were swamped by up for it down players.
They just didn't have the fight and it's why they will never be a top team.
Down are a poor outfit, can't wait to get at them
Let's hope your predictions are as accurate for the final as they were for the semi.
Congrats to Down. Didn't give them a chance in hell to be honest with you.
Thought they were very smart in last 15 minutes breaking the game up and disrupting Monaghan when out of their feet.
This 2 balls on the field at the one time descended into a farce last night,apparently the umpires aren't allowed to remove one, seemed to be the photographer's job, but terrific effort from Down despite the 2nd referee giving some very poor decisions against us, oh it didn't take long for the a cocky Tyrone head to stick his snout in!!
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
It was more than one easy free. Darrem Hughes overcarried. Free in and point came of it. Also he gave a free to Monaghan when Down turned over at kick out. Beggan handled on ground not given. One time Darren Hughes went for mark but dropped it but ref blew for mark. One of the worst refs I've ever seen in terms of applying the rules.
Beggan on the ground was an umpire failing but not a point scoring chance for Monaghan. The mark was a bad decision. He had his whistle to his mouth as Hughes got both hands on teh ball and blew it anyway as Hghes fumbled. I would give the beneft of the doubt here as it looked like it would be a clear catch too all of us. The ref was just a wee bit quick off the mark (if you pardon the pun!!)
Hughes over-carrying was the one I was talking about. That was a gimmie point at a crucial time, could have cost us the game. But there was lots of over-carrying not punished which was allowing Monaghan to recycle possession for about ten minutes. It is just not fair on defenders. They are not getting rewarded for doing their job properly.
Quote from: Taylor on June 25, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
Shocking performance from Monaghan but the good news is we will give Down some trimming in the final.
The wide count in first 10mins spelled trouble for Monaghan...
Down are a poor outfit, can't wait to get at them
Down hit the same wides in the last ten minutes. If a couple had gone over Monaghan would have limped out. So don't make out it was four wides in the first ten minutes that decided the game.
We are not confident of beating Tyrone and totally accept we are deserved underdogs. But comments like that are just pure hubris. Monaghan thought they would give us a trimming too. Don't get arrogant.
Quote from: redhandofgod on June 25, 2017, 12:46:24 PM
Monaghan are seriously overrated, sure Longford beat them in the championship last year ffs.
I've been expecting them to push on to another level the past couple of years myself but it's never happened, maybe they're just not as good as I thought. Unless they achieve something spectacular in the qualifiers I'd say O'Rourke will go too.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 25, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
It was more than one easy free. Darrem Hughes overcarried. Free in and point came of it. Also he gave a free to Monaghan when Down turned over at kick out. Beggan handled on ground not given. One time Darren Hughes went for mark but dropped it but ref blew for mark. One of the worst refs I've ever seen in terms of applying the rules.
Beggan on the ground was an umpire failing but not a point scoring chance for Monaghan. The mark was a bad decision. He had his whistle to his mouth as Hughes got both hands on teh ball and blew it anyway as Hghes fumbled. I would give the beneft of the doubt here as it looked like it would be a clear catch too all of us. The ref was just a wee bit quick off the mark (if you pardon the pun!!)
Hughes over-carrying was the one I was talking about. That was a gimmie point at a crucial time, could have cost us the game. But there was lots of over-carrying not punished which was allowing Monaghan to recycle possession for about ten minutes. It is just not fair on defenders. They are not getting rewarded for doing their job properly.
Quote from: Taylor on June 25, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
Shocking performance from Monaghan but the good news is we will give Down some trimming in the final.
The wide count in first 10mins spelled trouble for Monaghan...
Down are a poor outfit, can't wait to get at them
Down hit the same wides in the last ten minutes. If a couple had gone over Monaghan would have limped out. So don't make out it was four wides in the first ten minutes that decided the game.
We are not confident of beating Tyrone and totally accept we are deserved underdogs. But comments like that are just pure hubris. Monaghan thought they would give us a trimming too. Don't get arrogant.
Arrogant? Down supporters accusing someone else of being arrogant. The irony of it all.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 25, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
It was more than one easy free. Darrem Hughes overcarried. Free in and point came of it. Also he gave a free to Monaghan when Down turned over at kick out. Beggan handled on ground not given. One time Darren Hughes went for mark but dropped it but ref blew for mark. One of the worst refs I've ever seen in terms of applying the rules.
Beggan on the ground was an umpire failing but not a point scoring chance for Monaghan. The mark was a bad decision. He had his whistle to his mouth as Hughes got both hands on teh ball and blew it anyway as Hghes fumbled. I would give the beneft of the doubt here as it looked like it would be a clear catch too all of us. The ref was just a wee bit quick off the mark (if you pardon the pun!!)
Hughes over-carrying was the one I was talking about. That was a gimmie point at a crucial time, could have cost us the game. But there was lots of over-carrying not punished which was allowing Monaghan to recycle possession for about ten minutes. It is just not fair on defenders. They are not getting rewarded for doing their job properly.
Quote from: Taylor on June 25, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
Shocking performance from Monaghan but the good news is we will give Down some trimming in the final.
The wide count in first 10mins spelled trouble for Monaghan...
Down are a poor outfit, can't wait to get at them
Down hit the same wides in the last ten minutes. If a couple had gone over Monaghan would have limped out. So don't make out it was four wides in the first ten minutes that decided the game.
We are not confident of beating Tyrone and totally accept we are deserved underdogs. But comments like that are just pure hubris. Monaghan thought they would give us a trimming too. Don't get arrogant.
Not an umpire failure as they can't call a foul. A Down player pointed to umpire for ref to ask but the ref refused. As for Monahan wides at one stage in second half scoring chances came up and Down had more. Not sure what it was at end.
The football has being good this year surprisingly which doesn't usually happen till quarters or semis. The structures are still deeply flawed. Roscommon in last 12 after beating Leitrim.
When the dust settles and the lads are back at training next week, it will be interesting to see how Monaghan respond. It was definitely a set back and everybody will be rightly asking questions of Monaghan - but I heard some saying that another Ulster title isn't the be all and end all for Monaghan this year, and regardless of if they won another Ulster the main test would be winning an AI quarter final and progressing further than this team has before.
Getting back to the quarter final stage is still very much achievable for Monaghan, it's a question of if they've the stomach for the qualifiers again. The fact that we have a 2 week break helps, if it was only 1 week then a repeat of the Longford debacle would be very possible, but I'd hope we can regroup in two weeks. As I said, a lot will be said of Monaghan this week and alot of players have to take a long look in the mirror. It seemed like some fellas felt they just had to turn up and win, while the Down lads had so much more hunger. I still feel there is quality in the Monaghan team and they can recover from this defeat, but they need to show in the qualifiers that they want it. Big couple of weeks ahead.
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 25, 2017, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on June 25, 2017, 12:46:24 PM
Monaghan are seriously overrated, sure Longford beat them in the championship last year ffs.
I've been expecting them to push on to another level the past couple of years myself but it's never happened, maybe they're just not as good as I thought. Unless they achieve something spectacular in the qualifiers I'd say O'Rourke will go too.
When Donegal began to fade the standard in Ulster fell significantly. Tyrone were very mediocre over recent years too.
I remember watching Monaghan playing against Mayo in the first game of the League and they were far more fired up for that match than they were yesterday. They played that league match like it was an AI final and I remember thinking that they would struggle to maintain that level of intensity for a full season.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
It was more than one easy free. Darrem Hughes overcarried. Free in and point came of it. Also he gave a free to Monaghan when Down turned over at kick out. Beggan handled on ground not given. One time Darren Hughes went for mark but dropped it but ref blew for mark. One of the worst refs I've ever seen in terms of applying the rules.
Yeah - i think he blew for the mark just before hughes dropped it so he was stuck with it. Blew too quick.
I thought mcgoldrick was worth 2 to 3 points to down in the first half so the swing the other way (and there was a swing) probably meant it balanced out overall
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
I remember watching Monaghan playing against Mayo in the first game of the League and they were far more fired up for that match than they were yesterday. They played that league match like it was an AI final and I remember thinking that they would struggle to maintain that level of intensity for a full season.
Thought the same thing myself.Tough to get the balance right when you want to stay in Div. 1 and also peak for the championship
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
All it takes is one year for that perception to change.
Monaghan would only have McManus by my reckoning and although he's a wonderful footballer everyone still knows if you slow him down the rest of Monaghan's attack isn't going to pull a result out of the fire.
For Tyrone you might have Harte or Donnelly, but if they're in the top 25 they would be on the bottom end. Cavanagh was top one or two in country but age has changed things. Tyrone more a solid team than a team with great players imho.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 04:03:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
All it takes is one year for that perception to change.
Monaghan would only have McManus by my reckoning and although he's a wonderful footballer everyone still knows if you slow him down the rest of Monaghan's attack isn't going to pull a result out of the fire.
For Tyrone you might have Harte or Donnelly, but if they're in the top 25 they would be on the bottom end. Cavanagh was top one or two in country but age has changed things. Tyrone more a solid team than a team with great players imho.
That's fair enough, I'd have Beggan up there also though he had an uncharacteristic meltdown in the 2nd half yesterday.
just heard that the 4 ballybay players on the monaghan team were in a car crash yesterday en route to the meeting point to go to armagh. Can't have been too serious as the wylies played and ward came on as a sub but its not ideal preparation either. Drew had a tough evening on Harrison
Very disappointed with Monaghan, I thought this would be the year when they'd make an All Ireland Semi.
You never know MM, they still could. Look at Mayo last year and how well a run in the qualifiers got them prepared for a damn good try at the Sam.
I'd say Monaghan would fancy their chances against a Galway like Tipp did last year. A bit like Donegal, I would not be writing them off just yet.
How much do you think playing outside Clones is a factor? I know ye beat Kerry in the league but who was the last big win against outside Clones?
Armagh must be annoyed with Down, now sitting in an Ulster final having been so poor last year yet they don't seem to be making any progress from year to year.
Big Connaire will cause Tyrone plenty of problems I'd say if he gets the right ball into him.
Was interesting how well ye pushed up on Monaghan's kickouts yesterday. I think this has become a crucial change of tactics for most teams who are doing well this year.
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Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
Let's see if it's still that way at the end of the Championship.
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Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
Let's see if it's still that way at the end of the Championship.
Ye beat a terrible Armagh outfit and scraped past a Monagahn team caught napping.
The arrogance of Ulster footballs 'aristocracy' knows no bounds
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Monaghans big players just didn't perform apart from Hughes at midfield. Wylie was uncharacteristically poor at full back and McManus and McCarron in particular were really poor up front. Maybe I'm totally wrong because I've only seen him play a handful of times but McCarron appears to be very over rated, should have been subbed last night. That said they still could have easily drawn that match last night as they spurned a couple of opportunities to get a late equaliser
As far as Down are concerned you have to give serious credit to Eamon Burns. He looked like a dead man walking until he got his first win in the League this year but is now one game from an unlikely Ulster title. Still think they have a lot of ordinary players but he has them super fit and working to an effective counter attacking system.
You could say the same about Monaghan or Tyrone.
The main difference is that Monaghan and Tyrone have a few players who could be considered in the top 25 players in the country. Down wouldn't have any of those.
Let's see if it's still that way at the end of the Championship.
Ye beat a terrible Armagh outfit and scraped past a Monagahn team caught napping.
The arrogance of Ulster footballs 'aristocracy' knows no bounds
..and don't you forget it. ;D ;D ;D
Down are going into the ulster final this year a bit like Monaghan did in 2013. We scraped past a poor Antrim outfit in the quarters, nearly got caught by Cavan in the semi and fell over the line by a point. Went into the final as massive underdogs against Donegal and managed to finish the job. You just never know!
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Tell me what Down have shown for them not to be dismissed in such a derisory manner?
Beaten a disgracefully bad Armagh team? Scraped a draw with a Cork team that just got by Waterford?
Monaghan will win this game at a canter
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You just never know!
2003 being a case in point.
We had it won till a Brian McGuigan dive got big Greg sent off for f**k all.
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Big Connaire will cause Tyrone plenty of problems I'd say if he gets the right ball into him.
He'd cause the Dubs plenty of problems too if/when we meet at QF/SF.
Hopefully he's injury is not much.
Loved the bit where an awkward enough ball was coming lobbing into him towards the sideline, and Big Drew was lining him up for a right smash - but instead of grabbing the ball and getting nailed, Connaire palmed it away into the corner, leaving Drew wrong footed and allowing him to go pick it up at his leisure.
Heard from a good source that the Wylie lads car ended up on its roof on the way to the match/bus...hardly the best preparation..
It will be a handy enough win against Down, different level just like the 2010 schooling Down got.