Antrim Hurling

[NAG1]

I'm certain 't**ser' was the 16th man for both the hurling and camogie sides and honoring his memory drove them onto victory and for that you'd have to be thoroughly delighted for them. His family will take great comfort from the emotion expressed on the field of play.

There's certainly a lot to look up to in regard to Slaughtneil as a club especially how well they manage both codes but it would be say that hurling, having no specialists (clubs with single code players dedicated to the small ball), we would not be comparing apples with apples if we were looking at how dual clubs need to prepare for championship in Antrim. Regardless, they got the balance right and look to be able to hold onto a high number of adult players,

Final point I feel I have to make when so many are hailing their success as a club (important to be consistent in regard to these matters). Slaughtneil use outside managers. I'd be fundamentally against such practice as It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Other clubs suffer the blow as result. Important to remember that.

would that be negative narrative skull? Success is sucess. End of.

And there we have it, win at all costs mentality.

Skull is bang on with the outside managers practice. Great achievement for Slaughtneil, but would be an even more impressive one had their own got them there.

[Seamroga in exile]

I'm certain 't**ser' was the 16th man for both the hurling and camogie sides and honoring his memory drove them onto victory and for that you'd have to be thoroughly delighted for them. His family will take great comfort from the emotion expressed on the field of play.

There's certainly a lot to look up to in regard to Slaughtneil as a club especially how well they manage both codes but it would be say that hurling, having no specialists (clubs with single code players dedicated to the small ball), we would not be comparing apples with apples if we were looking at how dual clubs need to prepare for championship in Antrim. Regardless, they got the balance right and look to be able to hold onto a high number of adult players,

Final point I feel I have to make when so many are hailing their success as a club (important to be consistent in regard to these matters). Slaughtneil use outside managers. I'd be fundamentally against such practice as It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Other clubs suffer the blow as result. Important to remember that.

would that be negative narrative skull? Success is sucess. End of.

And there we have it, win at all costs mentality.

Skull is bang on with the outside managers practice. Great achievement for Slaughtneil, but would be an even more impressive one had their own got them there.

they didn't hire helicopters to bring anyone up from the south though.  No point in being nearly men the rest of their days. They've got a four seasons in the parish. Fair play to them.

[Hirty Darry]

Where did things go wrong for Loughgiel SIE?

Going by anyone you talked to from Loughgiel, this was a great team with young players coming through, the fittest and toughest team in a long time...

James Campbell even made comparison to the greats of 2012

Just seemed to be a formality from the pre game chat...

Any thoughts?

[doodaa]

Why would you think Slaughtneil would get a hammering? They are after beating Loughgiel and it was no fluke. They have been as good a team as there is in Ulster this 5 years. Every bit as good as ourselves and Loughgiel. They'll give anyone a game

Today they slowed the game down at every opportunity. They brought the game down to a physical tussle. There was minimal hurling played. They won because of physical strength and fair play to them for it. They won't get away with it against the standard of team they'll play next time round.

We are coming into the depths of winter where it tends to favour the more physical sides so I wouldn't be surprised if they do win the next day out.
There doesn't be too much pretty hurling played in All Ireland Club semi's going by previous years.

[Hirty Darry]

I'm certain 't**ser' was the 16th man for both the hurling and camogie sides and honoring his memory drove them onto victory and for that you'd have to be thoroughly delighted for them. His family will take great comfort from the emotion expressed on the field of play.

There's certainly a lot to look up to in regard to Slaughtneil as a club especially how well they manage both codes but it would be say that hurling, having no specialists (clubs with single code players dedicated to the small ball), we would not be comparing apples with apples if we were looking at how dual clubs need to prepare for championship in Antrim. Regardless, they got the balance right and look to be able to hold onto a high number of adult players,

Final point I feel I have to make when so many are hailing their success as a club (important to be consistent in regard to these matters). Slaughtneil use outside managers. I'd be fundamentally against such practice as It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Other clubs suffer the blow as result. Important to remember that.

would that be negative narrative skull? Success is sucess. End of.

And there we have it, win at all costs mentality.

Skull is bang on with the outside managers practice. Great achievement for Slaughtneil, but would be an even more impressive one had their own got them there.

they didn't hire helicopters to bring anyone up from the south though.  No point in being nearly men the rest of their days. They've got a four seasons in the parish. Fair play to them.

And not forgetting wee Jim (RIP), Dinny Cahill and others SIE...

[Seamroga in exile]

Where did things go wrong for Loughgiel SIE?

Going by anyone you talked to from Loughgiel, this was a great team with young players coming through, the fittest and toughest team in a long time...

James Campbell even made comparison to the greats of 2012

Just seemed to be a formality from the pre game chat...

Any thoughts?

We weren't at the races from the start. As hard as it is to say it the hungrier team won it. Slaughtneil were first to every breaking ball and took their chances well. We didn't. Even in the last few minutes when we pulled it back to 3 points we hit 3 wides. Winning the championship this year was a bonus for us considering the strength of Cushendall. A couple of young boys joined the panel this year and there'll be a few more next year. All's well Hirty. No need to worry. 

[Seamroga in exile]

I'm certain 't**ser' was the 16th man for both the hurling and camogie sides and honoring his memory drove them onto victory and for that you'd have to be thoroughly delighted for them. His family will take great comfort from the emotion expressed on the field of play.

There's certainly a lot to look up to in regard to Slaughtneil as a club especially how well they manage both codes but it would be say that hurling, having no specialists (clubs with single code players dedicated to the small ball), we would not be comparing apples with apples if we were looking at how dual clubs need to prepare for championship in Antrim. Regardless, they got the balance right and look to be able to hold onto a high number of adult players,

Final point I feel I have to make when so many are hailing their success as a club (important to be consistent in regard to these matters). Slaughtneil use outside managers. I'd be fundamentally against such practice as It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Other clubs suffer the blow as result. Important to remember that.

would that be negative narrative skull? Success is sucess. End of.

And there we have it, win at all costs mentality.

Skull is bang on with the outside managers practice. Great achievement for Slaughtneil, but would be an even more impressive one had their own got them there.

they didn't hire helicopters to bring anyone up from the south though.  No point in being nearly men the rest of their days. They've got a four seasons in the parish. Fair play to them.

And not forgetting wee Jim (RIP), Dinny Cahill and others SIE...

Would you be opposed to an outsider managing antrim if it meant improvement? Careful now... ..

[johnneycool]

I'm certain 't**ser' was the 16th man for both the hurling and camogie sides and honoring his memory drove them onto victory and for that you'd have to be thoroughly delighted for them. His family will take great comfort from the emotion expressed on the field of play.

There's certainly a lot to look up to in regard to Slaughtneil as a club especially how well they manage both codes but it would be say that hurling, having no specialists (clubs with single code players dedicated to the small ball), we would not be comparing apples with apples if we were looking at how dual clubs need to prepare for championship in Antrim. Regardless, they got the balance right and look to be able to hold onto a high number of adult players,

Final point I feel I have to make when so many are hailing their success as a club (important to be consistent in regard to these matters). Slaughtneil use outside managers. I'd be fundamentally against such practice as It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Other clubs suffer the blow as result. Important to remember that.

Jez Skull you're a bit OTT on the last bit, yes they've used outside managers in both hurling and football at senior level, but that shouldn't take away from the serious amount of effort they've put in a juvenile level for a sustained period culminating in yesterdays result. I'd bet they'd no outside managers involved up until that point and they're hardly the first to call upon the expertise of outside individuals to get them over the line.

If anyone wants to look at how its done, then you could do a lot worse than look at their structures, five coaches/parents with each team is a start I know we can't get to and it would ideal to get there and from my own experiences where we've ramped up the amount of games our juveniles attend in terms of blitzes and tournaments, Slaughneil are invariably there and one of the top teams at them, they won the recent U12 blitz run by Eoghan Rua in Edendork we were at and their record in the Ulster minor club championship is second to none as well as in the Ulster Feiles that were run up until the last few years.

They'd put the foundations in place first before putting the roof on where a lot of clubs think an outside manager is going to work wonders when the building blocks aren't there.

[theskull1]

Could people please start bun fights with other peoples opinions. My comments in regard to outside management was a statement of fact made to provide balance to the widely held social media opinion that every club should be trying to look up to them and copy everything that brought about their success at senior level. I've a right to hold the opinion that its a practice that should be frowned upon and discouraged. Other can think whatever they want and are entitled to their own view on the subject on which I'm sure are wide and varied. Only a fool would live in the binary world that SIE seems to live in.

I couldn't be more delighted for Slaughtneil in being able to honor a true volunteers memory and that is my overriding feeling on the subject (just so you know)

JC - read what I said and align it with what your accusing me of saying ..ffs.... reading between the lines and seeing something I never said or implied 

[Seamroga in exile]

So basically you're saying no one is allowed to have an opinion on your opinion skull? If you don't want your opinion scrutinised don't post it.

Please elaborate on your "binary world" theory.

[Hirty Darry]

Where did things go wrong for Loughgiel SIE?

Going by anyone you talked to from Loughgiel, this was a great team with young players coming through, the fittest and toughest team in a long time...

James Campbell even made comparison to the greats of 2012

Just seemed to be a formality from the pre game chat...

Any thoughts?

We weren't at the races from the start. As hard as it is to say it the hungrier team won it. Slaughtneil were first to every breaking ball and took their chances well. We didn't. Even in the last few minutes when we pulled it back to 3 points we hit 3 wides. Winning the championship this year was a bonus for us considering the strength of Cushendall. A couple of young boys joined the panel this year and there'll be a few more next year. All's well Hirty. No need to worry. 

Glad to see you have acknowledged what many did not want to admit.  (I suppose it's easy to do so now they haven't won Ulster). Loughgiel beat the best Cushendall team available on the day but it was under strengthed. 

Didn't make the game but from what I have seen and heard there are a lot of things to be worried about from your perspective. 

1) Slow start for the fourth game running...
2) A corner back needed replaced, the County Corner back is on the bench - what a luxury.  The County Corner back is later in the game put up front ahead of a bench full of forwards???
3) The Chosen One, who has when supplied the ball, scored, laid off or attracted a foul - from what I hear one of the more productive forwards - is taken off when you are 3/4 pts down??
4) No apparent tactics.
5) Out fought, out muscled, out played, our smarted ...

You need the players to perform but that is down to them but when you have as quoted to me "the best panel in Ulster", perhaps the managements inexperience has showed.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here SIE, some of this second hand info..

[Seamroga in exile]

Where did things go wrong for Loughgiel SIE?

Going by anyone you talked to from Loughgiel, this was a great team with young players coming through, the fittest and toughest team in a long time...

James Campbell even made comparison to the greats of 2012

Just seemed to be a formality from the pre game chat...

Any thoughts?

We weren't at the races from the start. As hard as it is to say it the hungrier team won it. Slaughtneil were first to every breaking ball and took their chances well. We didn't. Even in the last few minutes when we pulled it back to 3 points we hit 3 wides. Winning the championship this year was a bonus for us considering the strength of Cushendall. A couple of young boys joined the panel this year and there'll be a few more next year. All's well Hirty. No need to worry. 

Glad to see you have acknowledged what many did not want to admit.  (I suppose it's easy to do so now they haven't won Ulster). Loughgiel beat the best Cushendall team available on the day but it was under strengthed. 

Didn't make the game but from what I have seen and heard there are a lot of things to be worried about from your perspective. 

1) Slow start for the fourth game running...
2) A corner back needed replaced, the County Corner back is on the bench - what a luxury.  The County Corner back is later in the game put up front ahead of a bench full of forwards???
3) The Chosen One, who has when supplied the ball, scored, laid off or attracted a foul - from what I hear one of the more productive forwards - is taken off when you are 3/4 pts down??
4) No apparent tactics.
5) Out fought, out muscled, out played, our smarted ...

You need the players to perform but that is down to them but when you have as quoted to me "the best panel in Ulster", perhaps the managements inexperience has showed.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here SIE, some of this second hand info..

a lot of things went wrong yesterday. I'm not going to pick out individuals to slag off as you'd like. Collectively we weren't good enough. Simple as that.

We won antrim at a canter though. That's more worrying as an Antrim supporter.

[Na Glinntí Glasa]

to be completly fair here Sneill were just a better team. I dont think any tactics or different players in positions was going to matter as the Derry men were just better in all areas of the pitch.

Loughgiels main men just couldn't get into the game. Shay Casey tried hard, as did Liam Watson but the Sneill defence didnt let them get the ball, its as simple as that. The players who you would be expecting to do the damage didn't have any effect at all. Young McKinley & Connelly were just muscled off the ball all the time.

Loughgiel are a quality team, theres no doubt about that. They fully deserved to win Antrim this year and were much better than Cdall in the county final but they were out fought by a hungrier side who wanted to win more.

[north_antrim_hound]

Was down at match yesterday
Loughgeil didn't get off the bus to half time by then it was two late
It was one of those days when SN where not going to be beat with the emotional agenda a driving force
There is no need to start nit-picking what LG did wrong on the line and on the field
They did there best

The whole thing just strengthens the argument about The Standard in Antrim at the minute

LG where hands down the best team in Antrim this year
But on closer Scrutiny they squeezed past an unfit and somewhat unprepared CDall team by three points
CDall struggled to get out of Ulster to recently
Any wonder we can't beat county Meath and the likes if our club standards have taken a nose dive of late

[Franko]

Anyone who didn't think Slaughtneil were in with a shout yesterday needs their head looked at.  I couldn't believe that the bookies had LG as odds-on favourites (and duly took their money ) They ran Loughguile to 2 points in 2013, and put the dall to the pin of their collar in 2014 and 2015.  All with basically the same players as they have today who are now 3 years older (and still only averaging 22!).  They'll be a force in ulster for the foreseeable - imagine what sort of a side they'll be when these lads are 27-28 (with a couple more ulster minor winning teama still to be properly blooded!).  If you want to take a few quid off Paddy Power stick your dinner money on this not being the last time the Four Seasons cup comes to Slaughtneil.