Division 2 2024

[Armagh18]

Watching the D1 final must have been vexing for Armagh fans.

Derry have closed the gap on Dublin and Kerry, by pressing hard and taking control of momentum where possible.

Armagh, with better forwards than Derry, are getting further away each year, seemingly paralysed by a fear of taking a game by the horns and building up leads.

Surely at this stage we can finally agree that Armagh do not have better forwards than Derry. It was an argument 2 years ago but not now.

Conaty, Murnin, Grugan all very good forwards. Turbitt doesn't show up against good teams. TK and the 3 O'Neills are class forwards who weren't starting yesterday. We're behind Derry at the minute for sure but we'll see what happens in Ulster.

[Armagh18]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

[Derryman forever]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Winning is a habit.
And its a habit Armagh don't have at the minute.
I had thought their journey through div2 might have given them that but at the first hurdle they fell.

[marty34]

For pople taking about Armagh having top forwards, or even better forwards thn Derry, that's pure waffle.

Derry work as a team, Armagh don't.

Nowadays, Derry's backs will score as much as their forwards on a given day. They attack from everywhere and they all can score.

Granted, extra-time yesterday, but another big score from Derry.

For people to say also that teams when they get to finals, it doesn't really matter or they've not interested: again, pure waffle.  An excuse.   

[bennydorano]

McGeeney offering excuses of a bug in the camp and poor last week preparation which might explain a bit of the shitness. Doesn't explain the awful tactics. We failed miserably at the first half decent team we met (not even a real good team).

I always get the feeling with this Armagh management team that we always try to win games playing at 80%, we never show our full hand - always saving it for the real big games that we invariably fail to get to because of our nonsense attitude. We pretend like we're not interested in some games like we're a Dublin or Kerry with hatfuls of medals, again saving ourselves for bigger days that never come.

The 2nd game must have been such an eye opener for McGeeney. We're miles off it, and him playing mind games with himself with absolutely no one concerned about us at all.

[tonto1888]

McGeeney offering excuses of a bug in the camp and poor last week preparation which might explain a bit of the shitness. Doesn't explain the awful tactics. We failed miserably at the first half decent team we net (not even a real good team).

I always get the feeling with this Armagh management team that we always try to win games playing at 80%, we never show our full hand - always saving it for the real big games that we invariably fail to get to because of our nonsense attitude. We pretend like we're not interested in some games like we're a Dublin or Kerry with hatfuls of medals, again saving ourselves for bigger days that never come.

The 2nd game must have been such an eye opener for McGeeney. We're miles off it, and him playing mind games with himself with absolutely no one concerned about us at all.

To be fair, there was talk of this bug prior to throw in. I'm not one for excuses either to be honest but that seems legit.
We lost the game as we didn't play well and Donegal were better. Simple as that

[tonto1888]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management

[Armagh18]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management

Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.

[tonto1888]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management

Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.

Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management

[Armagh18]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management

Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.

Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management

Absolutely. Never see the Armagh forum busier than after a loss.

[tonto1888]

Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.

Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.

Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management

Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.

Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management

Absolutely. Never see the Armagh forum busier than after a loss.

We seem to have fans who take a certain amount of glee when we lose

[bennydorano]

I've defended McGeeney for years, and was in the be careful what you wish for camp but really think he's had his day now.  Hoping for the best now but not expecting too much from the rest of the county season.

[statto]

Last 10 minutes aside Armagh were pathetic throughout (Grugan aside).

Its only a meaningless league final doesn't carry any weight with me either, do we honestly think we are good enough to try or turn it on when we want? It feeds into a bullshit better than we actually are mentality. Armagh need less cheerleaders blowing hot air up their assess too.

Anyone who thinks that team is going to do anything bar shit the nest when it counts is delusional. A middle ranking team going nowhere.

would agree with you Benny.grugan is an operator but if he is shut down go along way to stopping armagh.full back line is poor and midfield middle of the road also.armagh are a bit like mayo in a sense are better when it's chaotic and go after teams but mcgeeney doesn't seem keen on that from get go.

[Rossfan]

Looking at Derry v Dublin yesterday I think most of us know our teams are well behind that level.

[statto]

Donegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).

The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more. 

having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.