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[Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too).]

No issue with players being blooded, transition years, need to gain experience...all that stuff....fine...

But surely you should be able to see a plan, a system, some kind of tactics beyond the basic, something to give these players a structure to develop in ...

What does that even mean? Lost their way when Hampsey went off on the black card... need to look at that. They were the much better side.

What that means is exactly what it says. It's great to see new players get brought in and given a meaningful taste of league and championship.

There is also a lot of talent there, which means we can go on scoring sprees and look fantastic for periods. All good. So the raw ingredients are there.

What is not evident is a system or structured gameplay to compete with Dublin/Kerry/Derry (and McGuiness back means Donegal are also a much diffeent prospect).

There is zero consistency in the team, from quarter to quarter, never mind game to game.

Maybe I just dont see/understand the current tactics as well as others and I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Nah you've still lost me. Maybe I'm not up to speed with gameplans. You mention Derry, they were a shambles at the weekend. Kerry scraped past Cork. I've must have a simpler outlook. Tyrone went away from home and beat a side just beat Monaghan. Things went badly awry on the black card and need to look at why. Sitting in Breffini Park yesterday wat I saw was Tyrone were the much better team and when it was 15 v 15 Cavan wouldn't have won if we were there to next Tuesday. Next up... Donegal.

You don't think going a man down and how to cope with it is an element that the management should have dealt with in training? I would be asking serious questions about why we opened up so quickly during those 10 mins. That re-organisation lies with management imo.

Def needs reviewed: they know that. Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too). I see the glass half full not half empty: 9 players made championship debut. When it went back to 15 v 15 was never in doubt. To go to Cavan and be hauled back like that and win showed great character.
Maybe I don't have your expectations of a team in transition. Reality check: They won't be beating Kerry or Dublin no more than Derry or Donegal will...
 

a club team management would have that angle covered. A black card happens regular in games so it needs to be handled irrespective of who the player carded is.....basic stuff for all teams. Delegation, planning and proper instruction sorts that out easily

I am like yourself and try to take the positives from it (9 debutants, great first 30 minutes) but how can we let a black card derail us is concerning. The real positive was that most of them debutants were on the pitch in the crucial closing stages of ET when the game was in the melting pot.

Hard to know what to expect next week....if we deliver then we could win but it is the total inconsistency that is our problem - we don't know what is happening from one half to the next never mind one game to the next.

I think your over-cooking what managers can do. The problem wasn't so much the blackcard was that the player who got it had such a huge influence on the game up to then.
Derry on Saturday was a complete mess, a few weeks ago Harte being hailed as a genius.
We'll see what happens...I've more faith in the management than you obviously..
 

There is a limit to what management can do without doubt but setting up a team in a coherent fashion with a clear plan isn't too much to expect. We haven't had that the last two years, the team has been a disjointed mess. The management team basically got a free pass for that because of 2021 and that was fair enough. Once they decided to put themselves forward for another term the free pass expired for me and they don't get off with this team in transition line either. Yes there are lots of young players but they are very good young players with a very good experienced core already there. It shouldn't be asking too much after McKenna Cup and seven league games for something like a well tuned team to be emerging. Instead they went off the boil massively in the second-half with the total collapse after the (questionable) Hampsey black card very concerning. It was pretty obvious that Mattie (who was class) wasn't happy at all afterwards. I'm not expecting any titles this summer but we need to see some real evidence this management team are bringing a competitive new team together and building towards something much better than the shambles of the past two summers. Big few weeks ahead of them.

Team lost its way badly again and Mattie was right to highlight that in his post match interview. All very well to say there were lots of young lads out there but this is a pattern we've seen all too often in last two championships. The game was won and Cavan should never have been allowed back into it. Lucky to get over the line and I didn't see much to suggest we'll do anything against better opposition. The team is packed with talent but lacks direction.

I didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.

Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.

Lynch missed a shot and Hampsey went over to let him know. Then Hampsey dragged him down. No complaints

You clearly didn't see the incident. I make no defence of Hampsey and his backchat and sadly it now seems to be very well established in the sport. But Lynch was dragging too right before they went to ground. Grim refereeing that changed the game. Further questions for Tyrone about the way they handled the aftermath of the incident.

I didn't think it was over at half-time as Tyrone under this management team are liable to be a basket case in the second half. Happened again there, absolutely rudderless ship and lucky to get over the line in a game which should have been won by double figures. For the talent available that team is nowhere near good enough and it was good to see Mattie so angry at the end. Too late to be learning all the lessons he was talking about. They'll lose to Donegal and they'll lose to anyone half decent later on too.

Tyrone's problems go way beyond refereeing decisions but that was an erratic display. The game turned on the Hampsey black card. If he was guilty of pulling Lynch down it probably didn't help that Lynch was all over him initially. A terrible call by a ref who was influenced by the pattern of the game rather than refereeing what was actually happening.

Meyler is a big miss. Always felt he was way more influential than McGeary in 2021 and he was one whose standards didn't drop in the general malaise since then. Kilpatrick will also be missed. Return of McKernan is good news however and I'm sure Mattie will provide a steadying influence wherever (and whenever) he plays.

Really not sure where Tyrone are at overall. There is a feeling among certain pundits that we're dark horses and going to be a different team in the Championship. I don't really share that confidence but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong. Good luck to the team and to the younger lads making their first Championship steps in particular.

Just one game but given Mickey's terrible record against McGuinness and his extremely patchy record in big Championship games over 15 or so years it's possibly quite significant. A hammering on home soil and concession of four goals punches quite the hole in the reputation Derry have been building. There were questions about whether or not Mickey was the right appointment for Derry and they look very pertinent after his first Championship test.

Really enjoyed that game. Thought Cavan had blown it after seeming to be in control at 1-10 to 0-10 but fair play to them, they rallied again after that with a big finish and were deserving winners. Played the conditions really well. Going to be a very tough game for Tyrone.

Monaghan pretty underwhelming but still capable of being very awkward opponents in the weeks ahead. Best wishes to Darren Hughes and hopefully injury isn't as bad as it appeared.

Great entertainment and credit to both teams. Modern game can be putrid at times but two good teams going at it like that can provide a great spectacle.

Thought Derry deserved the win overall. Dubs seemed to be playing within themselves a bit in the first half and some poor decision making cost them. Thereafter Derry were better and Dubs looked a bit rattled.

I felt there were questions for Mickey with Derry based on his last decade with Tyrone. He struggled to find the right mix between defence and attack, his micromanagement seemed to inhibit attacking players, and he couldn't win big games in Croke Park. The Championship will be where we get definitive answers but there was a lot there for Derry fans to be confident about, and that Mickey is indeed on the right track. Not so good was being 4 up in the closing stages of normal time and 3 up with seconds of extra time left and being pulled back twice. Not being able to close out games was another of the questions. But they can work on that and beating the Dubs, even if it was on pens, will do them a power of good.

Few questions for the Dubs too after that, lost their heads a bit. Felt a bit too much was made of them thrashing a very much weakened Tyrone side, and a poorly set up one at that. They'll have learned an awful lot more from today.

Mickey Harte absolutely wants to win it!

Agree - Tyrone won their first NFL in Mickey's first year in charge, 2002, which was proceeded by winning Sam the next year...

Mickey will want to win the league this year without doubt but the 2002 league was won by Art and Eugene. Mickey made a successful defence of it in his first year in 2003.

Bizarre to see people linking that grim Tyrone defeat today to winning the AI 3 years ago 😂. That team had been contending for years with 3 provincial titles, 1 AI final defeat and a number of semi-final appearances. Had a great summer and deserved their AI. Unfortunately never got back to those heights and now very much in transition, but still stayed in Division 1 with an awful lot of young players coming through. The concern is that even allowing for those new players they shouldn't be losing like that. Management have a bit of work to do to prove they are the right team to work with the talent coming through.

[What the hell is going on in training as based on today it looked like they had zero plans]

Horrible performance. Tyrone were very very slow. Dublin kicks out were lighting, dublin kicks outs were up to midfield immediately. Dubs were far stronger and fitter. Every time they got the ball they had 2-3 yards before any tyrone man got close to them.

Huge number of wides from very scoreable positions again today. 6 points in first 47mins. What the hell is going on in training as based on today it looked like they had zero plans

This is the ongoing worry - I'm not sure we've had a coherent plan or system since 2021. It's been heartening to see so many young players come through in the league and do well. Ultimately the target of survival and blooding new players was achieved, but again left wondering how much of that was down to the quality of the players pulling Tyrone through rather than the way they were set out.

Absolutely crucial that we see real progress in that respect over the Championship, otherwise need to be seriously looking at a change in management to bring through the new generation.

There's probably a fair bit of truth in that. The current management team deserve massive credit for taking Mickey's team, which had an awful lot of strengths but was unfortunately inhibited by micromanagement, and helping them believe in themselves in attack. It was the missing ingredient at the perfect time and it brought Sam in 2021. Dooher and Logan took the best of what Mickey left and moved it on slightly with more freedom. Not every manager could have pulled that off.

Unfortunately pretty much everything since has suggested they aren't sure about how best to set out their own team. We've all too often looked like a rudderless ship, falling out of games for long periods and often, as the article suggests, relying on some individual brilliance to dig us out of a hole. I'd have favoured a change when the 3 year term was up. Given that didn't happen we really need to see real signs of progress in how the management are setting out what they have at their disposal. It's been good to see young players get their chance and do well, but we also run the risk of hindering their potential if it's not done properly. I'm certainly not expecting an AI this year but we need to see that we're on the right track at least. Jury is still out and a big few months ahead.

Seanie O'Donnell named too, didn't expect that but really happy his injury clearly nowhere near as bad as it looked.

Encouraging second-half last night. McCurry really added to the attack but there was an intensity and focus throughout the team. For the first time in a while Tyrone looked like they knew what they were trying to do. Hard games coming up but something to build on there.

Hope O'Donnell is OK, looked nasty. He has been showing up well so far too.

Good win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.

No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?

https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag

How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!

No sympathy for the defender when he is hanging off the attacker like that. Fair play to Darragh, great goal despite being dragged.

First half was poor from Tyrone but a bit of hope with that second half. McCurry brought another dimension to attack but the whole team lifted their performance and first time in a while Tyrone looked like a team with a shape and coherent plan. Big 2 points and something to try and build on.

Kilpatrick silly again at the end. These kind of incidents are tiresome and undermine Tyrone too often. Has to be sorted.

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss

Nonsense. Tyrone were down to 14 for 20 minutes and visibly tired in the second half of extra time, allowing Kerry to get back within a point. People have an awful habit of overrating Kerry teams because of the name. It was a decent Kerry team but not a great one. The better team won that day.

Ultimately Tyrone had been knocking at the door for a few years but Dublin were well ahead and we were also hamstrung by an overly cautious approach. In 2021 they had a license to open up more, the Dubs had gone back a few levels, Mayo weren't the team who had pushed them so close, and Kerry were overrated. Tyrone were the best team.

In truth there was more in that team. McShane wasn't fully fit, Darragh was still very young and we hadn't quite worked out how best to employ McKenna. There were more gears. But they rightfully celebrated an unexpected AI and between that and sated ambitions, then injuries, retirals (and McKenna heading off), they never again got back on course before the team started to break up. And there's no crime in that.

I'm don't mean to diminish Tyrone, in the wider context of this discussion I actually think they were decent winners. McShane not starting and Tiernan McCann not even getting on the pitch are signs of a very strong squad overall. Morgan had a season of seasons, the midfield pair were excellent and their scoring efficiency in semi and final that year was superb

I don't think it changes the feeling though that Kerry completely threw it away that year. Simple goals not worked, extremely simple fisted points going wide, missing frees. All the while conceding very soft goals and the game was still a draw in normal time after all that. And the best player in the land couldn't play in ET remember

I don't think Kerry will mind all that much though in hindsight. Would they have brought in O'Connor and  Tally and set up the Tadgh Morley sweeper system that allowed them to win the following year had they got over the line in 21? Probably not

We're basically on the same page here but "completely threw it away" doesn't really cover that Kerry weren't quite good enough in 2021. You talk there about missing chances and conceding soft goals, among other things. The following year they addressed a few of the issues that were there in 2021 and were better all round. Similarly Tyrone had gone backwards drastically, Mayo hadn't kicked on, the Dubs were still refocusing for having another crack at it and the emerging teams like Galway and Derry weren't quite at it yet.