Think there's genuine concern in Armagh that we cold get an awful hiding in this game, the McKenna Cup was a bit of a disaster bar the performance of Grugan, seems teams were lined out more due to injuries rather than giving lads a run out, from what I've heard Ciaran McKeever, Andy Mallon and Finnian Moriarity wont be playing, and if they are they will be half-arsed fit, they've played no football in January whatsoever. If this happens to be true (and I've no reason to not believe it) we could be in the shit and there's going to have to be a lot of tinkering done.
CHB is such a crucial position, with no McKeever what way do you attempt to play it? Bring Donaghy out, leave Toner at FB? Potential for disasters there, I remember Donaghy not being to clever there in last year's or maybe 09's McKenna Cup. If Andy Mallon's not there, our natural go to man for Bernard Brogan is gone (although if Andy carries over last years form he might be safer on the line anyway). Big problems and after the Mary's and Antrim performances it could be embarassing.
We will probably have to load the HF line with big men and there'd need to be a bit of breaking ball coaching done after the inept MF sector perfromances witnessed in the McKenna Cup.
And if some of the Dubs think its a bit of codology - its not!
Out of interest if Armagh do get a hidden against dublin will the pressure start to grow on POR or is the pressure already there or are the supporters willing to give him and the team more time considering the injuries and problems u have mentioned
It's worrying times no doubt. I haven't been convinced by O'Rourke from day one but let's see how the next few matches materialise.
Injuries and absence of Cross players are blows all right but if we are pointless in the league after 3 games, the pressure will be on POR.
He hasn't been convincing on the line in terms of substitutions/switches. Maybe expectations are on the high side but we do have a decent squad of players and so far under Paddy O'Rourke good team performances have been few and far between.
While others have problems with fielding in midfield, we have performed poorly on the breaking ball since MOR went off the scene. Does Padden have any record in this type of work?
we're missing half a team so its likley to be a very tight game.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 30, 2011, 07:56:17 PM
While others have problems with fielding in midfield, we have performed poorly on the breaking ball since MOR went off the scene. Does Padden have any record in this type of work?
That's what he does best.
Improve or else, Murtagh tells Armagh
Armagh assistant manager Donal Murtagh admits the Orchard County must turn in a vastly improved performance against Dublin next weekend - or risk an embarrassing defeat at the Athletic Grounds.
The Saturday night encounter marks the first really big game at the newly-redeveloped venue, with a large crowd expected at the 19,500-capacity stadium.
Armagh go into that game on the back of a desperately disappointing Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup defeat in midweek at the hands of a St Mary's University College side which had put up little resistance in previous games against Antrim and Down.
The absence of a host of key players, including the Crossmaglen Rangers contingent and defensive stalwarts Ciaran McKeever (pictured) and Andy Mallon, was a mitigating factor but Murtagh acknowledges that Paddy O'Rourke's men must find a new level in time for the visit of the Dubs in eight days' time.
He told the Irish News, "We wouldn't be happy with what we saw. I'd be expecting a big improvement [against Dublin].
"If we don't improve we'll be soundly beaten. It would be nice to start the League with a win in the new ground but as I say, we'll have to improve for it."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=141318
yep, theres a hiding in the pipeline the dubs looked good in parts against a determined meath last night. Armagh have been poor to unwatchable, sure they had a big open game against down which is their best under o'rourke so far imo. its just not happening for por and with a new ground to pay for the pressure for success can be felt as soon as you go through the gates of the athletic grounds. its not too late to dump him because hes done nothing to date except give young grugan a couple of games, but its getting late for a new manager to get familiar and start to make changes to playing style which if armagh are to draw a decent crowd is a must
wouldnt be too harsh on O'Rourke just yet, they've been missing maybe 8 players that would normally start and whatever new cross players that would potentially come into the panel. I'd save the judgements for when he has a full complement of players to pick from
Talk of roading O'Rourke after a shite McKenna is stupid, just nonsense really. He'll be with us to the end of the season and it'll be results in June and July, not January and February that'll dictate how long more he sticks around.
On the game itself, very difficult to know what to expect. Form of the last couple of weeks would suggest a tanking may be in order for Armagh, but form counts for little this early in the year. I could give numerous examples of league games I've been at in just the last few years that have gone in completely different directions to what I would've predicted. Should be an excellent occasion anyway.
While I would be worried about a bad defeat on Saturday evening, it's hard to predict much until we see what players are available to us.
After the torrid time that Andy Mallon had on Brogan in the summer I'd hope that Donaghy is given the job of trying to keep him quiet with (hopefully) Ciaran McKeever covering the area in front of him.
The Dubs horsed us out of it physically in Croker and that's where my main worry would be again. Didn't get the opportunity to see Padden but if his strength is getting break ball he should be fired into the HF line as we need all the physicality we can muster.
It really would be a baptism of fire for Grugan if he is picked on Saturday night, Swift and Mackin may be picked in the HF line for their ball winning ability.
It looks like we'll be reliant on Stevie for scores again until we can get the Clarkes back in action so that makes the job very easy for the Dubs defence.
I think our team will strengthen as the league progresses but if we can hold the Dubs to a few points it won't be a bad result.
Talk of booting POR now is plain wrong and unrealistic.
The reality is though that he'll be gone at the end of the season. We have the players capable of doing very well this year but likely won't do much at all.
POR was never really wanted in the first place so it was always gonna be difficult for the man. people felt that he was mediocre and we'd plenty of mediocre of our own without getting one from down. The biggest disappointment for me has been his back room team. Stories from inside paint a very poor picture of things, particularly with murtagh & McNulty, where the hope would have been. It's also a disappointment that he did not properly replace McNulty when it presents such an opportunity to improve things.
Would Paul Duffy not be a good option to "man mark" Brogan? I think he has tremendous pace and strength.
If we get well beaten on Sat night I wouldn't be too concerned....the summer is still a long way off.....the Cross guys have to return and quite a few regular starters from last year.....
Keep the faith!!
I don't know if the Armagh posters are being coy but Dublin are going to have a weakish team out on Saturday night.
Really looking forward to this now - the new Armagh stand looks great.
Quote from: Groucho on January 31, 2011, 01:30:11 PM
Would Paul Duffy not be a good option to "man mark" Brogan? I think he has tremendous pace and strength.
If we get well beaten on Sat night I wouldn't be too concerned....the summer is still a long way off.....the Cross guys have to return and quite a few regular starters from last year.....
Keep the faith!!
Paul Duffy has a number of attributes to his game but man marking is not one of them. I'd rather see Stevie marking Brogan!!
Quote from: heffo on January 31, 2011, 01:55:50 PM
I don't know if the Armagh posters are being coy but Dublin are going to have a weakish team out on Saturday night.
Really looking forward to this now - the new Armagh stand looks great.
Not being coy at all, it's a genuine worry, a lot of our main players haven't played in any McKenna cup games and as benny states above, any of them that will play on Saturday night can't be match fit.
Which players are missing from your team on Saturday heffo?
I don't have the full list to hand, but lads who would be considered 1st choice and are not available:
Griffin, Corkery, O'Carroll, O'Sullivan, Nolan, Brennan, Fennell, McConnell, Magee
Only Hearty and Clarke will definitely come into the first 15. Liklihood is ak will too and hopefully a corner back.
Aiming to be there on Saturday night. Always something special about the floodlit night games imo.
Schedule for official opening of Atheltic Grounds on Saturday Night
6.30 -7.00 SCOR
7.00 -7.20 TEAMS ENTER PITCH ACCOMPINED BY DRUM
7.20 -7.24 TEAMS PARADE WITH ARTANE BAND
7.24 -7.29 CAIRDINEAL AGUS EASPAG
7.29 -7.30 AMHRAN NA bhFIANN
7.30 THROW IN
8.05 -8.08 CLUB PARADE ENTERS PITCH
8.08 -8.15 CATHAOIRLEACH AGUS UACHTATARN
8.15 -8.18 CLUB PARADE LEAVES PITCH
8.18 -8.20 TEAMS RE-ENTER PITCH
I presume the teams are crawling onto the pitch if its to take them 20 minutes. Going to be tough on the drummer.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 01, 2011, 12:06:02 PM
Schedule for official opening of Atheltic Grounds on Saturday Night
6.30 -7.00 SCOR
7.00 -7.20 TEAMS ENTER PITCH ACCOMPINED BY DRUM
7.20 -7.24 TEAMS PARADE WITH ARTANE BAND
7.24 -7.29 CAIRDINEAL AGUS EASPAG
7.29 -7.30 AMHRAN NA bhFIANN
7.30 THROW IN
8.05 -8.08 CLUB PARADE ENTERS PITCH
8.08 -8.15 CATHAOIRLEACH AGUS UACHTATARN
8.15 -8.18 CLUB PARADE LEAVES PITCH
8.18 -8.20 TEAMS RE-ENTER PITCH
I presume the teams are crawling onto the pitch if its to take them 20 minutes. Going to be tough on the drummer.
What are the thoughts with having a Cardinal and Bishop as part of the opening?
Is it not time to move past the days of the Catholic Church being intertwined with the GAA. An increasing number of people in Ireland (I presume north as well as south) do not attend religious services for a variety of reasons.
I don't mean to hijack the thread - it just seemed a bit 1950s when I saw it listed.
With the ground being in Armagh city where the cardinal lives it may have been very pointed not to have him involved in the official opening. Not a big thing for me one way or the other.
Anyone want to take a stab at Armaghs line out for sat evening,
Is Big ronan fit yet to line out?
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 01, 2011, 12:06:02 PM
Schedule for official opening of Atheltic Grounds on Saturday Night
6.30 -7.00 SCOR
7.00 -7.20 TEAMS ENTER PITCH ACCOMPINED BY DRUM
7.20 -7.24 TEAMS PARADE WITH ARTANE BAND
7.24 -7.29 CAIRDINEAL AGUS EASPAG
7.29 -7.30 AMHRAN NA bhFIANN
7.30 THROW IN
8.05 -8.08 CLUB PARADE ENTERS PITCH
8.08 -8.15 CATHAOIRLEACH AGUS UACHTATARN
8.15 -8.18 CLUB PARADE LEAVES PITCH
8.18 -8.20 TEAMS RE-ENTER PITCH
I presume the teams are crawling onto the pitch if its to take them 20 minutes. Going to be tough on the drummer.
What are the thoughts with having a Cardinal and Bishop as part of the opening?
Is it not time to move past the days of the Catholic Church being intertwined with the GAA. An increasing number of people in Ireland (I presume north as well as south) do not attend religious services for a variety of reasons.
I don't mean to hijack the thread - it just seemed a bit 1950s when I saw it listed.
Couldn't agree more. The GAA are quick to point out that they are a non-political organisation but have made no effort whatsoever to appear to be non-religious. Very outdated in my opinion.
I know there was a cross-community blessing at the opening of the Cardinal O Fiaich Stand in Crossmaglen.
Just guessing as I'm not sure on fitness of some people
McEvoy
Mallon Donaghy Duffy
Dyas McKeever McKeena/Feeney
Toner Lavery
Grugan Vernon Swift
McDonnell B Mallon McParland
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 01, 2011, 01:31:24 PM
Anyone want to take a stab at Armaghs line out for sat evening,
Is Big ronan fit yet to line out?
Clarke is progressing well but I'd say there is no chance of him lining out on Saturday night.
POR is quoted in today's IN as saying Ronan will probably be our only player missing due to injury so here's my stab at a team:-
McEvoy
A Mallon Donaghy AN Other
K Dyas C McKeever P Duffy
K Toner J Lavery
R Grugan Nippy C Vernon
B Mallon Stevie G McParland
Might be miles out..............
I really don't know about the CB slot, don't like V Martin but I'd say that's who'll be there.
If McKeever and A Mallon don't make it due to injury I hope the management announce it early as I might stay at home and watch the match from behind the sofa in the living room.
Gota Say lads, I'm somewhat bemused as to some posters suggestion that PO should go now etc, etc - they guy was involved and we won Div 2 last year and got promoted into Div 1. If 2010 bore no silverware and or promotions I still think it woudl be premature to call for his head.
I agree that this has the potential to be a bit of a slap in the bake alright but we do owe Dublin a boot from last year don't we? I'd be fairly confident that we will be able to hodl our own....it's not Cross though and if we can;t win big games in Armagh City our games will be moved back to Cross...I think.
McEvoy
A Mallon Donaghy V Martin
K Dyas C McKeever P Duffy
K Toner J Lavery/Vernon
R Grugan Micheal O'R C Vernon/ BJP
B Mallon Stevie Nippy
Any other options in middle of the field?
Quoteif we can;t win big games in Armagh City our games will be moved back to Cross...I think.
Cross would suit me fine, but I can't see why you would build the biggest stand in Ulster football and then not use the ground. Armagh need to get the habit of winning wherever they play.
I agree completely with Tubberman and the wingedlady. Maybe another thread should be started on the subject
I didn't get to any of the mckenna cup games so am genuinely excited about this one. Spent my youth watching and playing games in the Athletic Grounds and it's great to see it back !
Forgot about Billy Joe Padden, maybe start him instead of Grugan in the HF line and bring Grugan on in the second half when there would be a bit more space for him to use.
Quote from: Joxer on February 01, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
Any other options in middle of the field?
Mal Mackin?
I'd like to see a physically strong HF line to counter the Dubs attacking from the back - in otherwords workrate over flair. Hence (assuming everyone fit) :
1. McEvoy
2. A Mallon 3. Donaghy 4. Dyas
5. Duffy 6. McKeever 7. Finn Mo
8. Toner
9. Lavery
10. CV 11. MOR 12. BJP
13. B Mallon 14. Swift 15. McDonnelll
If the game opened up a bit I'd throw on Grugan for creativeness, as that FF line may not function well enough. Mallon shows well for the ball and can set up scores, Swift provides an aerial threat and McDonnell combines both those attributes. What are the Dubs likely to line out as?
See a couple of people leaving Grugan out. Can't see why really. It can't be on performances, he was our most impressive forward in January. It must be for fear that he isn't up to it physically, but if this is the case why bother with him on the panel at all this year? A fella not fit for a league game isn't going to be much use come the summer. From what I've seen he's worth throwing in and I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't start.
Where's the best place to go for a pre/post match pint on Saturday lads??
The Ogs club at the Athletic Grounds should be open i presume ? Hamdiest place for pre match pintage.
Quote from: heffo on February 01, 2011, 05:52:20 PM
Where's the best place to go for a pre/post match pint on Saturday lads??
The best place to go pre and post match would be Red Ned's, short walk from the ground. A real drinking mans pub and there would be plenty of football people around on Saturday night, and should be good night if you were staying up for the night. And avoid the few bars between the pitch nd Red Ned's :o
Is there going to be many Dubs coming up? Everyone Im talking to is really looking forward to the match and the banter between the fans. Heres hoping for a good game and good night for the 1st league game at the "new" ground.
Quote from: AFS on February 01, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
See a couple of people leaving Grugan out. Can't see why really. It can't be on performances, he was our most impressive forward in January. It must be for fear that he isn't up to it physically, but if this is the case why bother with him on the panel at all this year? A fella not fit for a league game isn't going to be much use come the summer. From what I've seen he's worth throwing in and I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't start.
Personally I don't see the need to rush him into the starting 15. I saw him twice, against Down and St Mary's. He was impressive in both but probably more v Down. That said it is worth noting Down had a highly experimental defence out and the fella marking him was useless. Against St Mary's he was up against lads more his own age and size. Can't really afford to experiment in Division 1 IMO, would rather see him used sparingly if that makes any sense..
Quote from: border rabbit on February 01, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 01, 2011, 05:52:20 PM
Where's the best place to go for a pre/post match pint on Saturday lads??
The best place to go pre and post match would be Red Ned's, short walk from the ground. A real drinking mans pub and there would be plenty of football people around on Saturday night, and should be good night if you were staying up for the night. And avoid the few bars between the pitch nd Red Ned's :o
Is there going to be many Dubs coming up? Everyone Im talking to is really looking forward to the match and the banter between the fans. Heres hoping for a good game and good night for the 1st league game at the "new" ground.
Think there will be a serious crowd up mate. Its only up the road. Would love to stay over myself but I cant with club commitments on sunday.
Dublin are down several players on Saturday so I dont see why Armagh fans are so pessimistic.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 01, 2011, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: border rabbit on February 01, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 01, 2011, 05:52:20 PM
Where's the best place to go for a pre/post match pint on Saturday lads??
The best place to go pre and post match would be Red Ned's, short walk from the ground. A real drinking mans pub and there would be plenty of football people around on Saturday night, and should be good night if you were staying up for the night. And avoid the few bars between the pitch nd Red Ned's :o
Is there going to be many Dubs coming up? Everyone Im talking to is really looking forward to the match and the banter between the fans. Heres hoping for a good game and good night for the 1st league game at the "new" ground.
Think there will be a serious crowd up mate. Its only up the road. Would love to stay over myself but I cant with club commitments on sunday.
Dublin are down several players on Saturday so I dont see why Armagh fans are so pessimistic.
Simply because of our last two performances or three of our last four more precisely
Quote from: fitzroyalty on February 01, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: AFS on February 01, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
See a couple of people leaving Grugan out. Can't see why really. It can't be on performances, he was our most impressive forward in January. It must be for fear that he isn't up to it physically, but if this is the case why bother with him on the panel at all this year? A fella not fit for a league game isn't going to be much use come the summer. From what I've seen he's worth throwing in and I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't start.
Personally I don't see the need to rush him into the starting 15. I saw him twice, against Down and St Mary's. He was impressive in both but probably more v Down. That said it is worth noting Down had a highly experimental defence out and the fella marking him was useless. Against St Mary's he was up against lads more his own age and size. Can't really afford to experiment in Division 1 IMO, would rather see him used sparingly if that makes any sense..
I think this is where we disagree. Given how shite our HF line has been for the last forever, there's a great need to inject something new in there.
I also wouldn't see his inclusion as an experiment. His displays to date have thrown him right into the mix as a genuine option, he's outperformed most alternatives. On ability and form alone he should be a shoo in, but maybe there are justified concerns about his size/ age. There's no better way to test these concerns than giving him football.
I have high hopes for Grugan too and the twenty mins he produced in the second half against down is hopefully a glimpse of what's to come. He hasn't been great other than that but that applies to everyone. It's a balancing act, introducing young talent to develop them to their optimum. i'd prefer to see him coming on in the earlier league games personally
Quote from: AFS on February 02, 2011, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on February 01, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: AFS on February 01, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
See a couple of people leaving Grugan out. Can't see why really. It can't be on performances, he was our most impressive forward in January. It must be for fear that he isn't up to it physically, but if this is the case why bother with him on the panel at all this year? A fella not fit for a league game isn't going to be much use come the summer. From what I've seen he's worth throwing in and I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't start.
Personally I don't see the need to rush him into the starting 15. I saw him twice, against Down and St Mary's. He was impressive in both but probably more v Down. That said it is worth noting Down had a highly experimental defence out and the fella marking him was useless. Against St Mary's he was up against lads more his own age and size. Can't really afford to experiment in Division 1 IMO, would rather see him used sparingly if that makes any sense..
I think this is where we disagree. Given how shite our HF line has been for the last forever, there's a great need to inject something new in there.
I also wouldn't see his inclusion as an experiment. His displays to date have thrown him right into the mix as a genuine option, he's outperformed most alternatives. On ability and form alone he should be a shoo in, but maybe there are justified concerns about his size/ age. There's no better way to test these concerns than giving him football.
I can see where you're coming from, my issue would be that the Dubs, aside from Cork, are probably the most physical team in the country and I would have a concern putting a young, slight (in inter county terms) lad in against them (not accusing the Dubs of being dirty just really physical).Don't want to get him wrecked in his first outing because I'd want to start him in the majority of our league games.
Any expats offer any advice if this game will be shown online this wkend, or even for download after?
Cheers in advance!
QuoteAny expats offer any advice if this game will be shown online this wkend,
have you actually checked the Setanta website?
Being shown on Setanta
Quote from: gander on January 31, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
wouldnt be too harsh on O'Rourke just yet, they've been missing maybe 8 players that would normally start and whatever new cross players that would potentially come into the panel. I'd save the judgements for when he has a full complement of players to pick from
I would agree, POR hasn't had a full panel yet. The McKenna Cup has been littered with poor performancesin the past. My one concern is perhaps the over complicated nature of some of our play and donal Murtaghs defensive mindset. I would like to see us attack and score more. The players are there. Why is Tasker not being considered, given the rave reviews he got in last years Cross games.
Don't see why avoid pubs between Red Neds and the ground, Toby a good spot and big Eamon played both Hurling and Football until age caught up.
Keegan's also good bar and think Kevin was joint manager when Ballhegan won intermediate championship, so hardly non GAA bars.
When is the team being picked?
Really looking forward to this now.
Fair play to the Armagh county board on the job they've done with the new stand - looks great in pictures.
ogs club situated right beside the athletic grounds...30 second walk!! making a bit of a day of it with all the sport on the big screen during the day and bit of music after
Might head up to this on sat evening. Where is the best place to park if you are going via Newtownhamilton.
Will you be able to go and pay at the gate just?
Its hardly all ticket. Few of us going to go up to see the dubs get tanked.
Armagh team named (taken from Orchard County):
McEvoy
Martin Donaghy Mallon
Duffy McKeever Dyas
Toner Lavery
Vernan Padden Grugan
McDonnell Swift Mallon
It is all ticket, & payment will not be taken at the gate. There'll be a couple of box office vans about to purchase tickets before the game.
Big strong Armagh team named. Looking forward to it!
From hill16.ie
Stephen Cluxton
(Parnell's)
Alan Hubbard Seán Murray Michael Fitzsimons
(Ballymun Kickhams) (St Brigid's) (Cuala)
Declan Lally James McCarthy Paul Casey (Captain)
(St Brigid's) (Ballymun Kickhams) (Lucan Sarsfields)
Michael Darragh Macauley Denis Bastick
(Ballyboden St Enda's) (Templeogue Synge St)
Bryan Cullen Kevin McManamon Diarmuid Connolly
(Skerries Harps) (St Jude's) (St Vincent's)
Tomás Quinn Eoghan O'Gara Bernard Brogan
(St Vincent's) (Templeogue Synge St) (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
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With all due respect to two honest players especially Casey, I can't see why Gilroy is persisting with Casey & Lally at wing back - Darren Daly did well last week and shouldn't have been left out.
Quote from: heffo on February 04, 2011, 09:58:45 AM
From hill16.ie
Stephen Cluxton
(Parnell's)
Alan Hubbard Seán Murray Michael Fitzsimons
(Ballymun Kickhams) (St Brigid's) (Cuala)
Declan Lally James McCarthy Paul Casey (Captain)
(St Brigid's) (Ballymun Kickhams) (Lucan Sarsfields)
Michael Darragh Macauley Denis Bastick
(Ballyboden St Enda's) (Templeogue Synge St)
Bryan Cullen Kevin McManamon Diarmuid Connolly
(Skerries Harps) (St Jude's) (St Vincent's)
Tomás Quinn Eoghan O'Gara Bernard Brogan
(St Vincent's) (Templeogue Synge St) (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
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With all due respect to two honest players especially Casey, I can't see why Gilroy is persisting with Casey & Lally at wing back - Darren Daly did well last week and shouldn't have been left out.
dont know a lot about the defenders but that looks like a very strong forward 6, gonna be an interesting match
Is Murray the hairy boy that was full back against Meath?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on February 04, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
Is Murray the hairy boy that was full back against Meath?
Thats the fella - he's not a full back - with the two O'Carrolls & Paul Brogan unavailable he's just a square peg there for the moment
Quote from: heffo on February 04, 2011, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on February 04, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
Is Murray the hairy boy that was full back against Meath?
Thats the fella - he's not a full back - with the two O'Carrolls & Paul Brogan unavailable he's just a square peg there for the moment
v intelligent lad and will do a decent job for you anywhere he is put (apart from maybe scoring forward - though he could chip in with the odd score). But decent is not good enough at intercounty level.
not a defender imo. Bridgids caused themselves and murray by playing there starting off a couple of seasons ago.
best position is midfield or better again third midfield with his engine and readong of the game meaning he always seems to be in the right place at the right time.
Dito with Lally. wing half forward where he should be. DCU played him half back and ever since then he thinks he is a back.
can do a good job there, but can do a superb job from wing forward !
not fussed on the corner backs to be honest.
Wasn't it Bastik that broke Charlie's jaw in Ballycrummy a couple of years ago?
Could be interesting...
looking forward tomorrow nights game. Quite like the look of the forward unit. Good luck lads
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 04, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Wasn't it Bastik that broke Charlie's jaw in Ballycrummy a couple of years ago?
Could be interesting...
It was indeed - I wouldn't like to be the fella looking for retribution from Bastick though.
It was a hospital ball that Bastick was perfectly entitled to go for on the day.
Quote from: heffo on February 04, 2011, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 04, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Wasn't it Bastik that broke Charlie's jaw in Ballycrummy a couple of years ago?
Could be interesting...
It was indeed - I wouldn't like to be the fella looking for retribution from Bastick though.
It was a hospital ball that Bastick was perfectly entitled to go for on the day.
I don't think Charlie is the type to be honest.
I don't recall it as you see it though. It's a pity there's no video evidence, i was standing 10 yards from it... he meant to hurt him all right!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 04, 2011, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 04, 2011, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 04, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Wasn't it Bastik that broke Charlie's jaw in Ballycrummy a couple of years ago?
Could be interesting...
It was indeed - I wouldn't like to be the fella looking for retribution from Bastick though.
It was a hospital ball that Bastick was perfectly entitled to go for on the day.
I don't think Charlie is the type to be honest.
I don't recall it as you see it though. It's a pity there's no video evidence, i was standing 10 yards from it... he meant to hurt him all right!
Sure we all have different interpretations of it, but I remember most of the Armagh posters here who were at the game said it didn't look deliberate.
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Wasn't it Bastik that broke Charlie's jaw in Ballycrummy a couple of years ago?
Could be interesting...
It was indeed - I wouldn't like to be the fella looking for retribution from Bastick though.
It was a hospital ball that Bastick was perfectly entitled to go for on the day.
I don't think Charlie is the type to be honest.
I don't recall it as you see it though. It's a pity there's no video evidence, i was standing 10 yards from it... he meant to hurt him all right!
Sure we all have different interpretations of it, but I remember most of the Armagh posters here who were at the game said it didn't look deliberate.
To be fair it was a hospital ball and Bastik had every right to go for it, just one of tose collisions that happen.
Dubs looks strong in attack but also look to be under srtength in defence, i actually think Armagh will beat Dublin by 2pts
The result will depend on how well our defence can hold a lively looking Dublin attack. There are fitness concerns over some of our main defenders so the jury is out on how well we will cope.
Hopefully Padden and Vernon can get a bit of ball and create space for Grugan to ping a few passes into Stevie and Nippy. I presume B Mallon will come out the field and put in his usual shift.
Our midfielders will have to improve on their McKenna Cup performances (albeit that Toner was playing at FB) to contain Macauley who was a real star last year. I've never been overly impressed by Bastick so there may be a chink of light for us in midfield.
Weather forecast is good................really looking forward to it.
In advance of this game I think it can be safely said that Armagh are looking forward to hosting Dublin - their team and fans.
For those supporters travelling from Dublin my advice would be that there are two main ways into the city.
You can travel up via Newry and down to Armagh but you'd be going near Newry around 5pm(ish) and lots of traffic.
My advice would be to get off at Ardee and head for Carrickmacross, Castleblayney, Keady and then Armagh. When you come into Armagh, and I'll assume you'll be up early, from the Keady side the new Athletic Grounds will be on your left past McAnerneys supermarket. If you can turn around and park back out the road you came in on if your planning on heading back down the road.
For food etc... the Hotel does decent food and is about a 4-5 minute lazy walk to the pitch. There are great pubs nearby and you will all be made very welcome.
If sight seeing - the two Cathedrals are easily accessible as well as Navan Fort which are all signposted.
Euro is accepted very easily (notes in particular) and the rate is usually displayed.
Shopping for the ladies - basically don't bother - there is f*ck all in Armagh. Some good sport shops and coffee houses but thats it.
From what I can gather there will be loads of stewards about, the Artane Boys Band will be there as well as dignataries.
And as much as we hope to make you all welcome we don't want to give you two points so you'll pardon us if we don't hand them over too easily. Gates are to open from 6:30pm but I'd guess it'll be a little earlier.
Safe driving down as it is a great road all the way down until you come across the border as the road network is slightly behind.
QuoteYou can travel up via Newry and down to Armagh but you'd be going near Newry around 5pm(ish) and lots of traffic.
That said the new improved Newry bypass is a good improvement in this regard.
QuoteIf sight seeing - the two Cathedrals are easily accessible as well as Navan Fort which are all signposted.
Armagh city is one place where sightseeing is capable of filling most of day and as the song says it contains the bones of Brian Boru, assassinated by a previous generation of Dubliners.
QuoteSafe driving down as it is a great road all the way down until you come across the border as the road network is slightly behind.
And be sure to have the white diesel.
Quote from: mrgaa1 on February 04, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
In advance of this game I think it can be safely said that Armagh are looking forward to hosting Dublin - their team and fans.
For those supporters travelling from Dublin my advice would be that there are two main ways into the city.
You can travel up via Newry and down to Armagh but you'd be going near Newry around 5pm(ish) and lots of traffic.
My advice would be to get off at Ardee and head for Carrickmacross, Castleblayney, Keady and then Armagh. When you come into Armagh, and I'll assume you'll be up early, from the Keady side the new Athletic Grounds will be on your left past McAnerneys supermarket. If you can turn around and park back out the road you came in on if your planning on heading back down the road.
For food etc... the Hotel does decent food and is about a 4-5 minute lazy walk to the pitch. There are great pubs nearby and you will all be made very welcome.
If sight seeing - the two Cathedrals are easily accessible as well as Navan Fort which are all signposted.
Euro is accepted very easily (notes in particular) and the rate is usually displayed.
Shopping for the ladies - basically don't bother - there is f*ck all in Armagh. Some good sport shops and coffee houses but thats it.
From what I can gather there will be loads of stewards about, the Artane Boys Band will be there as well as dignataries.
And as much as we hope to make you all welcome we don't want to give you two points so you'll pardon us if we don't hand them over too easily. Gates are to open from 6:30pm but I'd guess it'll be a little earlier.
Safe driving down as it is a great road all the way down until you come across the border as the road network is slightly behind.
Thanks for the pointers.
Quote from: mrgaa1 on February 04, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
You can travel up via Newry and down to Armagh but you'd be going near Newry around 5pm(ish) and lots of traffic.
My advice would be to get off at Ardee and head for Carrickmacross, Castleblayney, Keady and then Armagh. When you come into Armagh, and I'll assume you'll be up early, from the Keady side the new Athletic Grounds will be on your left past McAnerneys supermarket. If you can turn around and park back out the road you came in on if your planning on heading back down the road.
You are obviously not long out of Ardee if thats how you would go from Dublin to Armagh.
The direct route is the best. Dublin-Newry-Armagh. You wont have any hold ups on the new section of the Newry bypass.
You could also go Dublin-Dundalk-Newtownhamilton-Armagh, but the Dundalk-Armagh Road isn't great. I would stick to the main roads.
Stick to the main roads surely. With the new by pass you don't even have to go into Newry. Dublin-Newry- Armagh.
Looking forward to this game tomorrow. Hopefully this wind calms down a bit though.
Would that be armagh best team outside of the 2 clarkes and A Kernan and hearty. Who would the outfield players come in for, martin, lavery,padden and mallon???
Quote from: mrgaa1 on February 04, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
For food etc... the Hotel does decent food and is about a 4-5 minute lazy walk to the pitch.
You couldn't jog from the hotel doors to the pitch in 4-5 minutes lad
By far the quickest and easiest way for Dublin fans to get to the game is to take the M1 to Newry.
Take the Newry/Armagh/Craigavon exiit and then follow the signs for Armagh.
There will be at least 2 Newry exits before you come to the one you want.
Cheers
Quote from: mrgaa1 on February 04, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
In advance of this game I think it can be safely said that Armagh are looking forward to hosting Dublin - their team and fans.
For those supporters travelling from Dublin my advice would be that there are two main ways into the city.
You can travel up via Newry and down to Armagh but you'd be going near Newry around 5pm(ish) and lots of traffic.
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I don't think so. I've been via Newry a good few times recently during heavy rush hour traffic and not a bother in Newry with the new bypass.
By far and away the quickest way into Armagh from Dublin now is the Newry bypass.
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Quote from: mrgaa1 on February 04, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
For food etc... the Hotel does decent food and is about a 4-5 minute lazy walk to the pitch.
You couldn't jog from the hotel doors to the pitch in 4-5 minutes lad
Were you saying mrgaa couldnt or just saying in general. Its a couple of hundred yards. Very close
Jaysus, i don't know where we're going with BJP starting at centre forward. anyway, other than that its as good as we can muster i guess. i hope have they figured out how to compete for ball in the middle third and defend properly since the McKenna cup.
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Jaysus, i don't know where we're going with BJP starting at centre forward. anyway, other than that its as good as we can muster i guess. i hope have they figured out how to compete for ball in the middle third and defend properly since the McKenna cup.
When all else has failed................................
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 04, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
Would that be armagh best team outside of the 2 clarkes and A Kernan and hearty. Who would the outfield players come in for, martin, lavery,padden and mallon???
Id like to think Finn Mo would make it and a couple more Cross lads in with a shout at a starting championship spot
Does anyone know any bars around Lurgan which has Setanta?
Quote from: stiffler on February 05, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Does anyone know any bars around Lurgan which has Setanta?
Most in lurgan should be showing the match. The vintage, jp's, reids or even the courthouse (also include the gaa social clubs). If it clashes with soccer though it may get the raw deal in some bars and be stuck on a crap screen in the corner. Such is the type of tools we have in lurgan.
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Quote from: stiffler on February 05, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Does anyone know any bars around Lurgan which has Setanta?
Most in lurgan should be showing the match. The vintage, jp's, reids or even the courthouse (also include the gaa social clubs). If it clashes with soccer though it may get the raw deal in some bars and be stuck on a crap screen in the corner. Such is the type of tools we have in lurgan.
good man, hope they will be showing the down game ;)
Quote from: stiffler on February 05, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Does anyone know any bars around Lurgan which has Setanta?
Reid's is the place to watch the match in Lurgan. Owned by Gerard Reid and Cathal O'Rourke. Probably be some food on after as well.
Are there any links to the game, can't be fecked goin to the pub?
Armagh 1-04 Dublin 1-07 HT
Armagh 1-09 Dublin 1-10
Armagh 1-10 Dublin 2-12
Looks like game over, armagh had got it back to level!
How'd it finish?
Think Dublin won by 4.
They're shaping up well.
Nice depth in the squad and they all seem to know the system.
From what i hear it was a decent performance from Armagh, with the two Clarkes and Kernan to come back i still have hope that we can have a good year.
It was an encouraging performance by Armagh. It was all level with ten mins to go with Armagh playing the better football at that stage.
Brogan got a soft goal at that stage then the dubs scored another two points after that.
There were some very good individual performances on the night. Nippy swift, Charlie and Paul duffy would be the pick of them.
Grugan was very good in patches. Some of his passing was sublime.
The dubs were cleaned out at midfield but played some sharp football at times.
All in all it was a vast improvement for Armagh over the last few games.
The dubs always seemed to have a second gear though.
It was good to see Andy Mallon back in the defense. He had a good display
Who were the scorers lads , did stevie do much?
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Who were the scorers lads , did stevie do much?
Check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9388819.stm
Reasonable performance by Armagh-couple of points;
- We need a new goalie NOW
- Too much possession given away needlessly
A game where mistakes often dictated the scoring. Armagh played well at times, but were sloppy at times too.
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Nippy swift, Charlie and Paul duffy would be the pick of them.
Grugan was very good in patches. Some of his passing was sublime.
Agreed.
The Athletic grounds looked well.
el_cuervo_fc are you serious?
Armagh were once again destroyed at mid-field. Also dont agree with grugans performance. Tonight showed he isnt ready yet, not big or strong enough, some of his passing and shooting was awful
Like I said, in patches. His couple of shots on the first half were poor but he put some excellent passes through to the full forward line. Where some maye have passed across the field he delivered crosses that show what he could potentially add tothos team for years to come
Who was Man Of The Match, Brogan i suppose..
Mixed feelings regarding tonight, gifted Dublin the early lead and if you take that first (joke of a) goal out of the game our prospects in this division seem a lot more positive. That said I am still disappointed that we lost, especially with about ten mins to go we had made a great comeback and seemed to have the momentum. Dublin are probably the fitest team in the country so for us to match them in that department was promising. Some good individual displays, CV my MOTM. I have criticised him before but he got through a mountain of work tonight. Likewise Nippy, wasn't convinced with him at FF but after tonight he has more than proved his worth in that position. BJP was good for when he was on and C McKeever also played very well.
I felt our biggest problem tonight was fannying about in defence, especially full back line and also the quality of ball going into the FF line - granted the second half was much improved as McDonnell stroked some classy points. Feel McEvoy needs to up his game, although I was at the opposite end in the stand I felt he could have done more for the second goal and feel he is at fault. Had it been big Hearty he'd have taken man and ball.
McEvoy should have come out earlier for the second goal but it was quick thinking by Brogan to flick it past him. He made an excellent point blank save in the second half.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on February 06, 2011, 12:20:19 AM
Mixed feelings regarding tonight, gifted Dublin the early lead and if you take that first (joke of a) goal out of the game our prospects in this division seem a lot more positive. That said I am still disappointed that we lost, especially with about ten mins to go we had made a great comeback and seemed to have the momentum. Dublin are probably the fitest team in the country so for us to match them in that department was promising. Some good individual displays, CV my MOTM. I have criticised him before but he got through a mountain of work tonight. Likewise Nippy, wasn't convinced with him at FF but after tonight he has more than proved his worth in that position. BJP was good for when he was on and C McKeever also played very well.
I felt our biggest problem tonight was fannying about in defence, especially full back line and also the quality of ball going into the FF line - granted the second half was much improved as McDonnell stroked some classy points. Feel McEvoy needs to up his game, although I was at the opposite end in the stand I felt he could have done more for the second goal and feel he is at fault. Had it been big Hearty he'd have taken man and ball.
There was no need to take man and ball. With a proper reaction the ball would have been comfortably gathered and any danger averted.
The Athletic Grounds looked great. Can't believe it's the same place where I played 40 yrs ago.
Really, despite the defeat, I was pleased, perhaps because I feared a rout. I'm biased, I'll admit, but my MOM would be Nippy Swift. Brogan was, for the most part, held in check by Donaghy, but he scored a magic point off his left.
A few disasters sank the Armagh ship. For the opening five or ten minutes, the Armagh team was still in the locker room admiring the facilities, but once they got going, they weren't too bad. Brogan's goal came against the run of play, just when Armagh had tied things up, but that's what makes him an amazing talent.
Perhaps the best Dublin playmaker was Armagh's goalkeeper McEvoy, whose kickouts were abysmal. The ball must have had a color-sensitive computer chip programmed to find the color blue.
Armagh's turnovers were many and costly. Also the right side of our defense looked very porous.
But . . . Swift took some terrific points, Charlie looked strong and determined, Duffy was good, McDonnell, when he finally adjusted to the conditions, looked dangerous. Midfield looked solid, except on kickouts.
But ... but, when Dublin turned it up, Armagh offered inadequate resistance--again, the left side of the Dublin attack had too much pace and the Armagh made some ungainly attempts at tackling.
Still, when they were on, the orangemen moved the ball effectively and urgently.
A defeat is rarely good, especially at home, but it sure beats a lambasting.
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There was no need to take man and ball. With a proper reaction the ball would have been comfortably gathered and any danger averted.
Unfortunately my lamps aren't that great and couldn't see too clearly, especially at the far goal... If that is the case then questions need to be asked re McEvoy at No1.
Thought the best team won. Dubs found their scores far easier to come by. Armagh, similar to the Marys match, were laboured in their attacks. Their half forward line doesn't fold back enough to help out defence. Dubs forwards had far more space than Armaghs. Think Grugan had a poor game too. Thought Vernon gave Bastick the run around.
With Dublin only having 1 defender and neither midfielder from the semi-final last year it was good to see our reserve defence getting a good run out.
Well McAuley is obviously our first choice midfielder, and I dont think there's a whole heap of difference between Bastick and the rest of them. Though its interesting that Barry Cahill has been used as a midfielder when brought on.
A pity that the likes of Kev Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan and Ross O'Carroll miss these games as they'd learn so much.
Very happy with the more positive forward formation that Gilroy is playing compared to this time last year. Hopefully Andews and Alan Brogan will get starts as well.
I went expecting a tanking so like most people reasonably happy with the performance, in the end we were undone by a shocking goalkeeping error , totally gave Dublin the impetus to finish us off. Have to say i thought the Dubs looked that bit better than us and probably had another gear if it was required.
Some excellent performances from Nippy, Charlie, Stevie (2nd half), Mckeever and Donaghy, personally I would give motm to Andy Mallon, I thought he was very ropey for the whole of last season and possibly even on the way out, but he had a great game last night, looked back to best - hopefully it will continue. BJP started off well but faded badly, if all he's going to do is grunt work, i wouldn't play him CHF - that role can be played from any position, I think thats far too important a position to have a grafter in there. I know Ogs ones are always promoting Ronan Clarke for CHF, after Nippy's last few couple of performances at FF it could be time to give it a real try.
The MF'ers performed well last night, but again overall we proabbly lost the sector due to woeful breakball winning (again). Dyas and Duffy are classy ball players but they aren't doing enough in this regard, the Dubs walked through on several occasions after winning easy break ball. It was often said Aaron Kernan was poor defensively, maybe so but I think he offers more. Grugan and Mal Mackin also offerred nothing in assistance to MF and little as an attacking threat either.
I would also question the subsitutions last night, every one seemed to make us weaker, what was the point?
Enjoyable evening up in Armagh. New ground very impressive. Happy enough with Dublin performance though we still lost possession very easily a couple of times. Not convinced that Bastick is the answer to partner Mcauley. Disappointed in Mossy as well despite 2 nice points. Thought Hubbard was the Dubs best player and young Murray is a good footballer if not a full back. Armagh had to work much harder for their scores and although Berno finished cleverly keeper was poor for second goal. I thought Andy Mallon was Armagh's best player and though FF took some nice scores he's too one footed for me. Nice to hear Stephen's name mentioned at HT speeches but good God it went on far too long I thought.
Very handy journey up and down and thanks for the hospitality.
For all the talk about Connolly and what an incredible talent he supposedly is, I just don't see it.
He sticks out like a sore thumb on that team due to his lack of work-rate and urgency.
Nice to get the two points on board - cant understand where the pessimism from Armagh posters coming - I wouldn't think ye're a million miles away from putting a decent team together especially with Hearty, Kernan & the Clarkes to come back.
I felt Dublin had the extra gear when required, but McCauley needs a big man beside him to win clean ball especially with Cork to come up in two weeks.
Reasonably happy with our first outing. We played some good stuff in patches but we simply have to cut out the silly errors if we're going to hold our own in the 1st Division. Dublin, in general, were much fitter and sharper than us. Going into the game I was concerned about this with the lack of game time the majority of our first team had in the McKenna Cup.
If Charlie Vernon always played with the same aggression that he did last night he will realise his potential. Looked like he had a point to prove against Bastick and got involved in a bit of verbals with him on a couple of occasions.
We missed too many chances particularly in the first half, the Dubs were very economical although we gifted them the two goals (pity that Donaghy blotted his copybook as he had a great game on Brogan).
The game sort of passed Rory Grugan by but he will learn from it.
Nippy was superb, BJP started well but faded badly.
Looking forward to the next few games with a bit more optimism now.
Quote from: mackers on February 06, 2011, 07:03:20 PM
Reasonably happy with our first outing. We played some good stuff in patches but we simply have to cut out the silly errors if we're going to hold our own in the 1st Division. Dublin, in general, were much fitter and sharper than us. Going into the game I was concerned about this with the lack of game time the majority of our first team had in the McKenna Cup.
If Charlie Vernon always played with the same aggression that he did last night he will realise his potential. Looked like he had a point to prove against Bastick and got involved in a bit of verbals with him on a couple of occasions.
We missed too many chances particularly in the first half, the Dubs were very economical although we gifted them the two goals (pity that Donaghy blotted his copybook as he had a great game on Brogan).
The game sort of passed Rory Grugan by but he will learn from it.
Nippy was superb, BJP started well but faded badly.
Looking forward to the next few games with a bit more optimism now.
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Think it was a tough ask for him. May have been better to give in 20 minutes or so to get him used to senior inter county. Still think he will be a good one though!
Photos if anyone wants to take a look see
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157625990984802/detail/
Quote from: heffo on February 06, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
Nice to get the two points on board - cant understand where the pessimism from Armagh posters coming - I wouldn't think ye're a million miles away from putting a decent team together especially with Hearty, Kernan & the Clarkes to come back.
I felt Dublin had the extra gear when required, but McCauley needs a big man beside him to win clean ball especially with Cork to come up in two weeks.
I think we'd have won by a bit more Heffo with our defence from last year. That said Armagh look far more like a team going in the right direction now then last season. But will take a few years. Reasonably happy with last night but I'll wait till we play the big guns.
Cracking ground up in Armagh. Good banter with the Armagh fans too. Back in Dublin for 11.30 and a few pints. Good day out.
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Quote from: heffo on February 06, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
Nice to get the two points on board - cant understand where the pessimism from Armagh posters coming - I wouldn't think ye're a million miles away from putting a decent team together especially with Hearty, Kernan & the Clarkes to come back.
I felt Dublin had the extra gear when required, but McCauley needs a big man beside him to win clean ball especially with Cork to come up in two weeks.
I think we'd have won by a bit more Heffo with our defence from last year. That said Armagh look far more like a team going in the right direction now then last season. But will take a few years. Reasonably happy with last night but I'll wait till we play the big guns.
Cracking ground up in Armagh. Good banter with the Armagh fans too. Back in Dublin for 11.30 and a few pints. Good day out.
Did you go via Newry.?
like benny i predicted a tanking, so the result was a relief, didnt get the substitutions ??? none of them made much difference. young grugan not quiet ready for this level a bit nervous prehaps. stadium looks good. i must have missed something because i dont remember the athletic grounds ever being a 'fortress'. so i suppose thats something to look forward to
Quote from: lawnseed on February 06, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
like benny i predicted a tanking, so the result was a relief, didnt get the substitutions ??? none of them made much difference. young grugan not quiet ready for this level a bit nervous prehaps. stadium looks good. i must have missed something because i dont remember the athletic grounds ever being a 'fortress'. so i suppose thats something to look forward to
Certainly ws in the 80s/early 90s
Quote from: INDIANA on February 06, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
I think we'd have won by a bit more Heffo with our defence from last year. That said Armagh look far more like a team going in the right direction now then last season. But will take a few years.
Jaysus. Where we're at now is being happy with losing at home to a poor dublin team and being patronised with it.
Quote from: emainmacha on February 06, 2011, 08:17:25 PM
Photos if anyone wants to take a look see
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157625990984802/detail/
Some nice shots in there. Looks like someone was way off the mark making that game "all ticket".
Thought that too Maguire, wondered how many didn't travel for game because of it, even though could buy tickets on night wouldn't have known if any available
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Quote from: lawnseed on February 06, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
like benny i predicted a tanking, so the result was a relief, didnt get the substitutions ??? none of them made much difference. young grugan not quiet ready for this level a bit nervous prehaps. stadium looks good. i must have missed something because i dont remember the athletic grounds ever being a 'fortress'. so i suppose thats something to look forward to
Certainly ws in the 80s/early 90s
Quote from: INDIANA on February 06, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
I think we'd have won by a bit more Heffo with our defence from last year. That said Armagh look far more like a team going in the right direction now then last season. But will take a few years.
Jaysus. Where we're at now is being happy with losing at home to a poor dublin team and being patronised with it.
Hardly patronising.
Dublin had one player from last years defence playing. But i wouldnt describe it as a poor Dublin team. Armagh are near enough starting from scratch again trying to rebuild a team.
I'm not sure it is a poor Dublin team. Arguably they should have won the All Ireland last year and they mightn't be too far from it this year again. I don't think we are that far behind them, both last night's match and the game last July were tight heading into the final few minutes with key turning points (Mallon's miss in Croke Park and Brogan's goal last night) going Dublin's way.
Try to build a team this year then convince Geezer to come home is Armagh's best hope for the future. When we were talking about the goalkeeping situation last night, someone posed the question of whether McKinney would still be in retirement if McGeeney was in charge. Figures like Geezer inspire players.
aayy maguire the fortress would have held a few more. that sort of crowd wouldnt make much of an impact on 4.5 million. might need the IMF soon ;)
Would seem to be more positives than negatives from last night's game. Couple of mistakes for the goals ultimately the diference.
With Hearty, A Kernan, J Clarke and possibly McKeown/Morgan coming back from Cross and Ronan Clarke also there is the makings of a decent team there.
A win against Monaghan in 2 weeks is a must otherwise it would be hard to avoid relegation.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 06, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on February 06, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
like benny i predicted a tanking, so the result was a relief, didnt get the substitutions ??? none of them made much difference. young grugan not quiet ready for this level a bit nervous prehaps. stadium looks good. i must have missed something because i dont remember the athletic grounds ever being a 'fortress'. so i suppose thats something to look forward to
Certainly ws in the 80s/early 90s
Quote from: INDIANA on February 06, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
I think we'd have won by a bit more Heffo with our defence from last year. That said Armagh look far more like a team going in the right direction now then last season. But will take a few years.
Jaysus. Where we're at now is being happy with losing at home to a poor dublin team and being patronised with it.
I wouldn't call it patronising - Dublin won comfortably in the end and are a year or two ahead of their development that Armagh.
I wouldn't call Dublin a poor team unless you're referring to the fact that we were without 17 of last years championship panel including 5 of last years six defenders and when Griffin returns to fitness will probably replace Fitzsimons to make it six first choice defenders unavailable.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on February 06, 2011, 12:20:19 AM
Mixed feelings regarding tonight, gifted Dublin the early lead and if you take that first (joke of a) goal out of the game our prospects in this division seem a lot more positive. That said I am still disappointed that we lost, especially with about ten mins to go we had made a great comeback and seemed to have the momentum. Dublin are probably the fitest team in the country so for us to match them in that department was promising. Some good individual displays, CV my MOTM. I have criticised him before but he got through a mountain of work tonight. Likewise Nippy, wasn't convinced with him at FF but after tonight he has more than proved his worth in that position. BJP was good for when he was on and C McKeever also played very well.
I felt our biggest problem tonight was fannying about in defence, especially full back line and also the quality of ball going into the FF line - granted the second half was much improved as McDonnell stroked some classy points. Feel McEvoy needs to up his game, although I was at the opposite end in the stand I felt he could have done more for the second goal and feel he is at fault. Had it been big Hearty he'd have taken man and ball.
Hearty would probably have stopped both, that said the defending wasn't good in the runup to both.
Very enjoyable game on saturday night, the new stand is a credit to the county, absolutely fantastic. I was very impressed with Dublin, they were very effeicient with the ball and kicked very few wides. Looking at the match, they are certainly a year further down the road than Armagh, they were very fit & worryingly much physically stronger and bigger than armagh. The big fella up front for them was excellent as was brogan and i thought their full back did very well. Cluxton made a fabulous save from stevie. For Armagh, I would take a lot of positives, Andy Mallon was great, a return to form after a disappointing season last year. Vernon was terrific, he really creates mayhem when he runs with the ball at defences and his goal was top drawer. I though swift was Armaghs best player 4 great points from play. The goal keeper had a good game but was badly at fault for the goal, dublin just seemed to have an extra gear, but its early in the season. If ARmagh are to progress this year we needto forget about mackin & padden as starters....
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Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 10:22:45 AM
Very enjoyable game on saturday night, the new stand is a credit to the county, absolutely fantastic. I was very impressed with Dublin, they were very effeicient with the ball and kicked very few wides. Looking at the match, they are certainly a year further down the road than Armagh, they were very fit & worryingly much physically stronger and bigger than armagh. The big fella up front for them was excellent as was brogan and i thought their full back did very well. Cluxton made a fabulous save from stevie. For Armagh, I would take a lot of positives, Andy Mallon was great, a return to form after a disappointing season last year. Vernon was terrific, he really creates mayhem when he runs with the ball at defences and his goal was top drawer. I though swift was Armaghs best player 4 great points from play. The goal keeper had a good game but was badly at fault for the goal, dublin just seemed to have an extra gear, but its early in the season. If ARmagh are to progress this year we needto forget about mackin & padden as starters....
Agree about Mackin but I though Padden done OK, only his first start so I'd like to see him get more time.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 10:22:45 AM
If ARmagh are to progress this year we needto forget about mackin & padden as starters....
Problem in the short term is we have no one to replace them with. Once we are picking from a full panel then Malachy and B Mallon will be replaced IMO. I'd give Padden another few games to prove himself.
It was noticeable that we didn't play with a sweeper on Saturday night and just went man for man. Alright we shipped 2.12 but the two goals could be put down to individual errors rather than a problem with our defensive formation. Hopefully it is a sign of things to come.
Some players have been tried by Joe Kernan, Peter McDonnell and now POR. Is it going to take another 3 managers to work out these lad's are not going to make it, Jesus H can we not bring in a few young lads and get them a year or two's experience on the panel and see what they're made of instead of trying lads who have had their chance and have failed...
Dublin are training twice a day and were def sharper and fitter but you have to ask yourself why they are doing that type of training in Jan/Feb? Will they peak too soon? will they have fatigue in July/Aug? If Armagh start to peak in summer I'll be happy enough, we are not that far off as people think. Jamie and Ronan Clarke in the forwards, Hearty in nets and another few Crossmaglen men and we'll be a lot stronger. Don't forget lads on Sat night we had 3 or 4 players playing their first action of the new year and were no way expected to be anywhere near the level of the rest of the lads.
To leave on a negative note POR and his puppet are not the men to lead Armagh
Noticed on the night and then reminded when looking at photos, the Ref threw the ball in for start of game from new stand side, and then from other side for second half, most games ref throws in from same side in both half.
Made me wonder is there any convention on this, as if both players naturally right handed one would be at a disadvantage at both starts.
I know a bit pedantic but just wondering what the story is.
Decent performance and a lot of positives. i thought the defence did ok with Duffy, Donaghy and Mallon being the pick. MF worked hard but need to win more first time ball. Swift was excellent, Stevie played well but he should not be playing anywhere outside of the 30m infront of the goal. He is need there to get scores. Come champioship I would like to see the team line out,
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Mckeown/Morgan
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Toner
Dyas R Clarke Padden
Stevie Nippy Jamie
In my opinion, the difference between the teams was the goal-keepers.
Cluxton was excellent (proved he's the best!). 2 fantastic saves from goal bound efforts & also saved a point. His kick outs were varied & superb!
McEvoy on the other hand, although obviously a fine shot stopper, dithered when it mattered for the 2nd goal - he was certainly favourite for that ball but stopped. His kick outs had Armagh under pressure (reminded me of an underage match).
Vernon brought fantastic intensity to the game, some great clashes with Bastic. Donaghy was excellent.
Nippy was superb.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 07, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
In my opinion, the difference between the teams was the goal-keepers.
Cluxton was excellent (proved he's the best!). 2 fantastic saves from goal bound efforts & also saved a point. His kick outs were varied & superb!
McEvoy on the other hand, although obviously a fine shot stopper, dithered when it mattered for the 2nd goal - he was certainly favourite for that ball but stopped. His kick outs had Armagh under pressure (reminded me of an underage match).
Vernon brought fantastic intensity to the game, some great clashes with Bastic. Donaghy was excellent.
Nippy was superb.
He can get lenght in them but they hang up. Hearty can be erratic too but he drives his kicks more than hanging them and that makes a difference. McEvoy is a good keeper but doesn't inspire confidence, he doesn't command his back line and could have saved both goals. he did pull off one good save but it was also a tad fortunate. I would give the McCullough lad his turn in the next game to see what he is made of.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 07, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
In my opinion, the difference between the teams was the goal-keepers.
Cluxton was excellent (proved he's the best!). 2 fantastic saves from goal bound efforts & also saved a point. His kick outs were varied & superb!
McEvoy on the other hand, although obviously a fine shot stopper, dithered when it mattered for the 2nd goal - he was certainly favourite for that ball but stopped. His kick outs had Armagh under pressure (reminded me of an underage match).
Vernon brought fantastic intensity to the game, some great clashes with Bastic. Donaghy was excellent.
Nippy was superb.
He can get lenght in them but they hang up. Hearty can be erratic too but he drives his kicks more than hanging them and that makes a difference. McEvoy is a good keeper but doesn't inspire confidence, he doesn't command his back line and could have saved both goals. he did pull off one good save but it was also a tad fortunate. I would give the McCullough lad his turn in the next game to see what he is made of.
What ever happened Paudi Rodgers? He was looking like a good keeper a few years ago
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it
yet
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 11:08:27 AM
Decent performance and a lot of positives. i thought the defence did ok with Duffy, Donaghy and Mallon being the pick. MF worked hard but need to win more first time ball. Swift was excellent, Stevie played well but he should not be playing anywhere outside of the 30m infront of the goal. He is need there to get scores. Come champioship I would like to see the team line out,
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Mckeown/Morgan
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Toner
Dyas R Clarke Padden
Stevie Nippy Jamie
I cant see McKeown making the county team. Would the other Kernan not be in front of him?
Other Kernan isnt on the panel I dont think.
Quote from: Orior on February 07, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 11:08:27 AM
Decent performance and a lot of positives. i thought the defence did ok with Duffy, Donaghy and Mallon being the pick. MF worked hard but need to win more first time ball. Swift was excellent, Stevie played well but he should not be playing anywhere outside of the 30m infront of the goal. He is need there to get scores. Come champioship I would like to see the team line out,
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Mckeown/Morgan
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Toner
Dyas R Clarke Padden
Stevie Nippy Jamie
I cant see McKeown making the county team. Would the other Kernan not be in front of him?
Paul will make the cut as will Morgan. PK is not a corner back. He is the type of player needs to play centrally so I can't see him playing in the corner.
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it yet
Dyas does a lot of work that goes unnoticed. I reckon he would be a very useful wing forward as he is good at foraging and can work very hard. Also he can work as a cover for either AK or Paul Duffy, giving them more licence to attack.
Quote from: gander on February 07, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 07, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
In my opinion, the difference between the teams was the goal-keepers.
Cluxton was excellent (proved he's the best!). 2 fantastic saves from goal bound efforts & also saved a point. His kick outs were varied & superb!
McEvoy on the other hand, although obviously a fine shot stopper, dithered when it mattered for the 2nd goal - he was certainly favourite for that ball but stopped. His kick outs had Armagh under pressure (reminded me of an underage match).
Vernon brought fantastic intensity to the game, some great clashes with Bastic. Donaghy was excellent.
Nippy was superb.
He can get lenght in them but they hang up. Hearty can be erratic too but he drives his kicks more than hanging them and that makes a difference. McEvoy is a good keeper but doesn't inspire confidence, he doesn't command his back line and could have saved both goals. he did pull off one good save but it was also a tad fortunate. I would give the McCullough lad his turn in the next game to see what he is made of.
What ever happened Paudi Rodgers? He was looking like a good keeper a few years ago
Dreadful kickouts. Even Benny Tierney would've been embarrassed by the length of them.
Hearty's kickouts are good until he tries to spread them out to the wings, you're basically guaranteed 2/3 a match to go over the sideline. He had a great year last year and certainly wouldn't have fudged his lines for the second goal on Saturday evening.
I can see where Dyas divides opinions but I would bear with him, he's starting to show what he can do in patches over the last few games, I wouldn't judge him on any performances before that as he clearly wasn't fit.
Not convinced by Paul Kernan at all and as BC1 says he has to be in a central position,if Donaghy and McKeever stay fit the centre of our defence is just fine.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on February 03, 2011, 11:19:03 PM
Few of us going to go up to see the dubs get tanked.
How did ye get on?
Paul Kernan got dropped last summer, doubt he'll make the championship cut.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 07, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 07, 2011, 11:08:27 AM
Decent performance and a lot of positives. i thought the defence did ok with Duffy, Donaghy and Mallon being the pick. MF worked hard but need to win more first time ball. Swift was excellent, Stevie played well but he should not be playing anywhere outside of the 30m infront of the goal. He is need there to get scores. Come champioship I would like to see the team line out,
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Mckeown/Morgan
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Toner
Dyas R Clarke Padden
Stevie Nippy Jamie
I cant see McKeown making the county team. Would the other Kernan not be in front of him?
Paul will make the cut as will Morgan. PK is not a corner back. He is the type of player needs to play centrally so I can't see him playing in the corner.
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it yet
Dyas does a lot of work that goes unnoticed. I reckon he would be a very useful wing forward as he is good at foraging and can work very hard. Also he can work as a cover for either AK or Paul Duffy, giving them more licence to attack.
Have to agree about Dyas. Hope he shows us the potential he had a few years ago.
What ever happened the Dublin player Davoran??, break a leg or something? No sign of a return? Think he gave Cross an awful time of it in a club game a few years back
Quote from: bennydorano on February 07, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
What ever happened the Dublin player Davoran??, break a leg or something? No sign of a return? Think he gave Cross an awful time of it in a club game a few years back
Did his cruciate on his championship debut v Meath two years ago - he was back running and light training for Crokes late spring last year and came on for the last ten minutes of a challenge game and did it again the first time he turned for a ball.
He'll hopefully be back playing club football before the summer.
Who is with O'Rourke in the Armagh managment team. Murtagh and McGurn I know but unless my eyes were deceiving me I swore there was a thrid man out on the sideline. I couldnt get a good look from where I was sitting?
Quote from: Joxer on February 07, 2011, 04:07:16 PM
Who is with O'Rourke in the Armagh managment team. Murtagh and McGurn I know but unless my eyes were deceiving me I swore there was a thrid man out on the sideline. I couldnt get a good look from where I was sitting?
Maybe Sean O'Hare from Burren, I think he is involved somehow. I know he is definitely involved in coaching at some level.
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it yet
I think most people remember the Dyas that inspired the Abbey, he has yet to reach those heights with the county, but injury has hammpered his development. He deserves a little more time. I personnally don't see what Paul Diffy has to offer and although a defender of Moriarty in the past (pardon the pun) I thought he was way off on Saturday.
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 07, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
What ever happened the Dublin player Davoran??, break a leg or something? No sign of a return? Think he gave Cross an awful time of it in a club game a few years back
Did his cruciate on his championship debut v Meath two years ago - he was back running and light training for Crokes late spring last year and came on for the last ten minutes of a challenge game and did it again the first time he turned for a ball.
He'll hopefully be back playing club football before the summer.
Tough luck there, what age of a fella is he, time on his side?
He'd be early twenties - 23/24 maybe
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Was great to be back in our spiritual home, pity we didn't get the result to put the icing on the evening.
There are a few Armagh players who have had one orr two chances too many. Time for some ruthless management decisions methinks. We're getting there though.
Dublin should give sam a right good rattle this year. Gilroy has done a brilliant job.
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
I could ask you the same of a number of your Dromintee clubmen. And not just on Sat night but in general. Did you see Mallon v Down in McKenna Cup?
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on February 03, 2011, 11:19:03 PM
Few of us going to go up to see the dubs get tanked.
How did ye get on?
Ended up watching it on TV, it wasnt an evening for the neutral. I thought Armagh would have raised their game for the opening of the refurbed Athletic Grounds. Have to say the Dubs looked good.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
I personnally don't see what Paul Diffy has to offer and although a defender of Moriarty in the past (pardon the pun) I thought he was way off on Saturday.
Couldn't disagree more, Duffy was one of the few consistant players for Armagh throughout the league and championship last year. Not the best out and out defender, but when his defence abilities are coupled with his strength going forward then he certainly has a lot to offer (especially with the state of the half forward line last year). And as for Finn Mo, first competitive match in the best part of 5 months after playing most of the championship with an injury, after being imo Armagh's best player of the league. Didn't think he was that far off the mark anyway, a bit rusty but so was McKeever and McDonnell. Got forward a couple of times, provided a few good balls to the forward line and had a good intercept too. Personally, Duffy and Moriarty would be two of the first names on my team-sheet.
Quote from: deargdoom on February 08, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
I personnally don't see what Paul Diffy has to offer and although a defender of Moriarty in the past (pardon the pun) I thought he was way off on Saturday.
Couldn't disagree more, Duffy was one of the few consistant players for Armagh throughout the league and championship last year. Not the best out and out defender, but when his defence abilities are coupled with his strength going forward then he certainly has a lot to offer (especially with the state of the half forward line last year). And as for Finn Mo, first competitive match in the best part of 5 months after playing most of the championship with an injury, after being imo Armagh's best player of the league. Didn't think he was that far off the mark anyway, a bit rusty but so was McKeever and McDonnell. Got forward a couple of times, provided a few good balls to the forward line and had a good intercept too. Personally, Duffy and Moriarty would be two of the first names on my team-sheet.
As I said in my opinion I don't see what Duffy offers I've been watching him for a couple of years now, would take your point on Mo though as I said a bit disappointing I suppose given that he's just back from honeymoon he's bound to be a bit of the pace.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 08, 2011, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: deargdoom on February 08, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
I personnally don't see what Paul Diffy has to offer and although a defender of Moriarty in the past (pardon the pun) I thought he was way off on Saturday.
Couldn't disagree more, Duffy was one of the few consistant players for Armagh throughout the league and championship last year. Not the best out and out defender, but when his defence abilities are coupled with his strength going forward then he certainly has a lot to offer (especially with the state of the half forward line last year). And as for Finn Mo, first competitive match in the best part of 5 months after playing most of the championship with an injury, after being imo Armagh's best player of the league. Didn't think he was that far off the mark anyway, a bit rusty but so was McKeever and McDonnell. Got forward a couple of times, provided a few good balls to the forward line and had a good intercept too. Personally, Duffy and Moriarty would be two of the first names on my team-sheet.
As I said in my opinion I don't see what Duffy offers I've been watching him for a couple of years now, would take your point on Mo though as I said a bit disappointing I suppose given that he's just back from honeymoon he's bound to be a bit of the pace.
apples u seem to have tinted glasses when it comes to duffy. by far armaghs best player last year and certainly in the top 4 on saturday night. where is there a better wing half back in the county. catch a grip u seem to be on the wrong game here, duffy is a very good player.
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it yet
The lad has just come back from a serious injury. In each game he has played that i have seen he has not lookked out of place at all. He seldom wastes a ball and the ball he sends in to the forwards is good ball.What do you want from him?
Quote from: thewanderer on February 08, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 08, 2011, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: deargdoom on February 08, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
I personnally don't see what Paul Diffy has to offer and although a defender of Moriarty in the past (pardon the pun) I thought he was way off on Saturday.
Couldn't disagree more, Duffy was one of the few consistant players for Armagh throughout the league and championship last year. Not the best out and out defender, but when his defence abilities are coupled with his strength going forward then he certainly has a lot to offer (especially with the state of the half forward line last year). And as for Finn Mo, first competitive match in the best part of 5 months after playing most of the championship with an injury, after being imo Armagh's best player of the league. Didn't think he was that far off the mark anyway, a bit rusty but so was McKeever and McDonnell. Got forward a couple of times, provided a few good balls to the forward line and had a good intercept too. Personally, Duffy and Moriarty would be two of the first names on my team-sheet.
As I said in my opinion I don't see what Duffy offers I've been watching him for a couple of years now, would take your point on Mo though as I said a bit disappointing I suppose given that he's just back from honeymoon he's bound to be a bit of the pace.
apples u seem to have tinted glasses when it comes to duffy. by far armaghs best player last year and certainly in the top 4 on saturday night. where is there a better wing half back in the county. catch a grip u seem to be on the wrong game here, duffy is a very good player.
Cross is full of them. ;)
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 10:49:12 AM
Some players have been tried by Joe Kernan, Peter McDonnell and now POR. Is it going to take another 3 managers to work out these lad's are not going to make it, Jesus H can we not bring in a few young lads and get them a year or two's experience on the panel and see what they're made of instead of trying lads who have had their chance and have failed...
Dublin are training twice a day and were def sharper and fitter but you have to ask yourself why they are doing that type of training in Jan/Feb? Will they peak too soon? will they have fatigue in July/Aug? If Armagh start to peak in summer I'll be happy enough, we are not that far off as people think. Jamie and Ronan Clarke in the forwards, Hearty in nets and another few Crossmaglen men and we'll be a lot stronger. Don't forget lads on Sat night we had 3 or 4 players playing their first action of the new year and were no way expected to be anywhere near the level of the rest of the lads.
To leave on a negative note POR and his puppet are not the men to lead Armagh
Don't believe everything you read about the twice a day thing.
We didn't fatigue last year.
I think you've a fair bit to go. Staying in Div 1 would be a good league for Armagh in my view. Armagh certainly are developing a good spine of a team
What really impressed me on Saturday was the speed with which Armagh moved the ball at times particularly in the first half. Looked like a new tactic for the year and Id be interested in seeing if it continued particularly into the Summer when it could become more effective
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 08, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 07, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 07, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
have to say I don't see what the attraction is with Dyas, someone suggested playing in the HF line come championship WTF???? I have yet to see him play well for Armagh
I think he's over rated myself and what has he achieved in club football to warrant a call up. A spell in Aussie Rules seems to be enough, he may well be a lot better than i think but i haven't seen it yet
The lad has just come back from a serious injury. In each game he has played that i have seen he has not lookked out of place at all. He seldom wastes a ball and the ball he sends in to the forwards is good ball.What do you want from him?
All about opinions I disagree, good going forward but shaky in defence and with none of AK's vision or playmaking skills.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 09, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
What really impressed me on Saturday was the speed with which Armagh moved the ball at times particularly in the first half. Looked like a new tactic for the year and Id be interested in seeing if it continued particularly into the Summer when it could become more effective
I thought the exact opposite. the time it takes us to carry the ball out of defence and through the middle is very frustrating given the bodies that the opposition are consistently funnelling back while that goes on.
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
As I stated before its all about opinion, if you are frustrated then don't use the board, I don't expect everyone to agree with my assessment but there you go....my assessment. You will never hear me question anyone's effort either for club or county, players don't set out to play badly...it just happens.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
I agree Brian Mallon is a superb footballer, one of the finest ever to wear the Armagh jersey. The Armagh fans jump up out of their seats in eager anticipation everytime he gets the ball. He owns the the corner forward position. Why Paddy O'Rourke hauled him off against the Dubs is a huge mystery to me.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
As I stated before its all about opinion, if you are frustrated then don't use the board, I don't expect everyone to agree with my assessment but there you go....my assessment. You will never hear me question anyone's effort either for club or county, players don't set out to play badly...it just happens.
yea but theres posting opinions and then theres being blind. duffy started most of armaghs attacks on saturday night and when the defence got the ball you can see them looking for paul to link defence and attack. you also speak of AK's "vision and playmaking skills". paul is twice the player in that department IMO. you then say that paul is shaky in defence. one of the reasons AK was moved to CHF was because of his poor defensive skills. i can only imagine that that you have tainted opinions of pearse og or just paul himself
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 09, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 09, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
What really impressed me on Saturday was the speed with which Armagh moved the ball at times particularly in the first half. Looked like a new tactic for the year and Id be interested in seeing if it continued particularly into the Summer when it could become more effective
I thought the exact opposite. the time it takes us to carry the ball out of defence and through the middle is very frustrating given the bodies that the opposition are consistently funnelling back while that goes on.
I thought Armagh shifted the ball between players very quickly and didnt bring it into the tackle like they used to but as it was with a lot of short passes they maybe didnt get the ball to the forwards as much but when it did come in I thought it was more accurate and better linked than last year. In difficult conditions to play that style I was encouraged to see that.
PatDaly you sir are a twat. Change the record.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 09, 2011, 10:50:12 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 09, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 09, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
What really impressed me on Saturday was the speed with which Armagh moved the ball at times particularly in the first half. Looked like a new tactic for the year and Id be interested in seeing if it continued particularly into the Summer when it could become more effective
I thought the exact opposite. the time it takes us to carry the ball out of defence and through the middle is very frustrating given the bodies that the opposition are consistently funnelling back while that goes on.
I thought Armagh shifted the ball between players very quickly and didnt bring it into the tackle like they used to but as it was with a lot of short passes they maybe didnt get the ball to the forwards as much but when it did come in I thought it was more accurate and better linked than last year. In difficult conditions to play that style I was encouraged to see that.
I'd agree with that. They obviously learnt their lesson from the Dubs match last year, I don't remember seeing an Armagh team turned over so much in the tackle than in Croke Park last summer.
Quote from: pearseog on February 09, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
As I stated before its all about opinion, if you are frustrated then don't use the board, I don't expect everyone to agree with my assessment but there you go....my assessment. You will never hear me question anyone's effort either for club or county, players don't set out to play badly...it just happens.
yea but theres posting opinions and then theres being blind. duffy started most of armaghs attacks on saturday night and when the defence got the ball you can see them looking for paul to link defence and attack. you also speak of AK's "vision and playmaking skills". paul is twice the player in that department IMO. you then say that paul is shaky in defence. one of the reasons AK was moved to CHF was because of his poor defensive skills. i can only imagine that that you have tainted opinions of pearse og or just paul himself
Not at all, as I said that is my opinion I respect your right to disagree, please respect mine. I didn't even know he was an og's player.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 10, 2011, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: pearseog on February 09, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
As I stated before its all about opinion, if you are frustrated then don't use the board, I don't expect everyone to agree with my assessment but there you go....my assessment. You will never hear me question anyone's effort either for club or county, players don't set out to play badly...it just happens.
yea but theres posting opinions and then theres being blind. duffy started most of armaghs attacks on saturday night and when the defence got the ball you can see them looking for paul to link defence and attack. you also speak of AK's "vision and playmaking skills". paul is twice the player in that department IMO. you then say that paul is shaky in defence. one of the reasons AK was moved to CHF was because of his poor defensive skills. i can only imagine that that you have tainted opinions of pearse og or just paul himself
Not at all, as I said that is my opinion I respect your right to disagree, please respect mine. I didn't even know he was an og's player.
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Duffy is class goin forward, ropey enough defending. If u read the Dubs forums a lot had Bryan Cullen as their MOTM, for all the stylish forward moves he's neglecting his (supposed) main role - defending. AK did/does get stick for his lack of defensive skills, Duffy is no better in that department imo.
any word how vince martin is??
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2011, 08:49:49 PM
Duffy is class goin forward, ropey enough defending. If u read the Dubs forums a lot had Bryan Cullen as their MOTM, for all the stylish forward moves he's neglecting his (supposed) main role - defending. AK did/does get stick for his lack of defensive skills, Duffy is no better in that department imo.
And yet some posters have listed them as our wing backs either side of McKeever on our best team for the championship. It would be footballing suicide!! Has to be one or other for me.
Tyrone seemed to get away with playing Jordan and Harte at wing back. Mind you they always had someone covering when they went forward.
If it came down to a choice betwen the 2, it would have to be Kernan. Seems back to his best for Cross in terms of distribution and is reliable for left sided frees.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2011, 08:49:49 PM
Duffy is class goin forward, ropey enough defending. If u read the Dubs forums a lot had Bryan Cullen as their MOTM, for all the stylish forward moves he's neglecting his (supposed) main role - defending. AK did/does get stick for his lack of defensive skills, Duffy is no better in that department imo.
Is that the same Cullen who plays wing forward and is therefore supposed to be makign stylish forward moves as first priority?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on February 12, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2011, 08:49:49 PM
Duffy is class goin forward, ropey enough defending. If u read the Dubs forums a lot had Bryan Cullen as their MOTM, for all the stylish forward moves he's neglecting his (supposed) main role - defending. AK did/does get stick for his lack of defensive skills, Duffy is no better in that department imo.
Is that the same Cullen who plays wing forward and is therefore supposed to be makign stylish forward moves as first priority?
Ach, sure, you know these nordies, every player is a defender first and foremost.
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 10, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 10, 2011, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: pearseog on February 09, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 09, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PatDaly on February 07, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Anyone care to comment on Brian Mallon's performance? Why does he continually make the starting 15? What exactly did he contribute to the team on Saturday night?
Brian Mallon is a super footballer! He's most affective in the full forward line, but he's not going to play well if the right ball isn't given to him... much like anyone you put in there! - In the first half v Down the ball was low & in front... he won every ball & Down had to switch men on him. The ball stopped coming in & he was pulled out to half forwards to do the donkey work again.
Apples... Duffy is a line breaker! Antother supreme talent! He starts most of our attacks & is very direct & comfortable on the ball - which is a refreshing change, from those players 'dilly dallying' & playing backwards passing!!
Can get very frustrating reading reviews on here about players giving their all!
As I stated before its all about opinion, if you are frustrated then don't use the board, I don't expect everyone to agree with my assessment but there you go....my assessment. You will never hear me question anyone's effort either for club or county, players don't set out to play badly...it just happens.
yea but theres posting opinions and then theres being blind. duffy started most of armaghs attacks on saturday night and when the defence got the ball you can see them looking for paul to link defence and attack. you also speak of AK's "vision and playmaking skills". paul is twice the player in that department IMO. you then say that paul is shaky in defence. one of the reasons AK was moved to CHF was because of his poor defensive skills. i can only imagine that that you have tainted opinions of pearse og or just paul himself
Not at all, as I said that is my opinion I respect your right to disagree, please respect mine. I didn't even know he was an og's player.
:-[ :-[ :-[
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Whats your problem, I don't get to see much club football.
Quote from: Orangemac on February 11, 2011, 11:32:45 PM
Tyrone seemed to get away with playing Jordan and Harte at wing back. Mind you they always had someone covering when they went forward.
If it came down to a choice betwen the 2, it would have to be Kernan. Seems back to his best for Cross in terms of distribution and is reliable for left sided frees.
Correct
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on February 12, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2011, 08:49:49 PM
Duffy is class goin forward, ropey enough defending. If u read the Dubs forums a lot had Bryan Cullen as their MOTM, for all the stylish forward moves he's neglecting his (supposed) main role - defending. AK did/does get stick for his lack of defensive skills, Duffy is no better in that department imo.
Is that the same Cullen who plays wing forward and is therefore supposed to be makign stylish forward moves as first priority?
I was referring to Duffy neglecting his defensive duties. Why would i give a flying one about what Cullen does?