Tyrone just need to pack a few extra bandages for this one. How many blood subs can you have in one match?
Potential banana skin for Tyrone if Meath don't roll over.
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
Carlow beat kildare, longford beat meath. I think the most biased of Meath supporters will find it hard to disagree but Meath are in a really bad place, Tyrone should win this without breaking a sweat. It will take a performance out of the blue and based on absolutely no form the last couple years for Meath to win. Great looking game on paper based on past glories but that all it is.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
Carlow were ok. Longford were ok too when they beat Meath. I appreciate when you say you can’t get to see too many club games but keep a closer eye on the county stuff.
Ronan O Neill to shine against Meath
Are Tyrone any use, lads?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2018, 03:57:20 PM
Are Tyrone any use, lads?
Good time to get them after being trounced by Monaghan and the big win for Yes in the referendum.
The draw in the Hyde looks like being the high point of Meath's season.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2018, 03:57:20 PM
Are Tyrone any use, lads?
You would have to ask someone from Tyrone
https://youtu.be/_3h3JH_T8Cc
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Just remember the grass banks are exclusively for Meath folk.
That is our birth right.
Meath hurt us. Brutes.
"Meath are never beaten". Rip van Winkle
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 28, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
Without checking the records over the last handful of years, one thing that I remember is that Páirc Tailteann has not been a good venue for Tyrone teams over the years, a bit of a graveyard if you will.
More of a graveyard for Meath though, in recent times. ;)
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Not backwards, same again as some simply doesn't make the step up to senior no matter how good they looked as minors on successful teams.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Not backwards, same again as some simply doesn't make the step up to senior no matter how good they looked as minors on successful teams.
ray mulgrew, kyle coney, niall mc kenna, ronan o neill, danny mc nulty, richie donnelly, darren mc curry, conan grugan. thats off the top of my head of high class underage all ireland winners who went backwards when they joined the tyrone panel.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 28, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
Without checking the records over the last handful of years, one thing that I remember is that Páirc Tailteann has not been a good venue for Tyrone teams over the years, a bit of a graveyard if you will.
Navan Fort
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 28, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
Without checking the records over the last handful of years, one thing that I remember is that Páirc Tailteann has not been a good venue for Tyrone teams over the years, a bit of a graveyard if you will.
Pairc Tailteann was built on an ancient druid burial ground.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Not backwards, same again as some simply doesn't make the step up to senior no matter how good they looked as minors on successful teams.
ray mulgrew, kyle coney, niall mc kenna, ronan o neill, danny mc nulty, richie donnelly, darren mc curry, conan grugan. thats off the top of my head of high class underage all ireland winners who went backwards when they joined the tyrone panel.
Ray mulgrew can't even make the Cookstown senior team this year. The one thing all them lack is speed, bar McKenna who is permanently injured. McCurry had a good spell with Tyrone.
mc curry having an even better spell with edendork this year since he left the tyrone panel. strange that.
Yip seems to be flying. He always played well for Edendork. Pity he didn't hang around, could be doing no with him. You forgot about pasty mcniece in your last post
I reckon this will be a close enough game actually. Chances are we won't win but if the lads have any desire to make something of this year they'll just get on with it. We have the same core team that ran Tyrone close on two occasions.
That said, anyone with their eyes open knew this year was going to be a write off with lads leaving the panel at the start of the league and then others afterwards. There are others not wanting to be a part of the county set up too from what I understand.
The truth is we don't have the players right now to do anything and it's hard to say because I know the lads that are there are probably putting in ferocious effort.
The good news is that we are starting to get the right results at underage. This is really what is of more importance and interest right now than the senior panel. Hopefully this is the start of something bright for the future but it will have to be carefully managed so that these lads make the transition to senior level as smoothly as possible. There are some great looking prospects on our minor and U-20 side that hopefully when the time comes they'll blend in well with a few of the remaining better lads we have at senior at the moment.
It's hard to know what the current management set up is like as some would just look at the results and say it's bad but if you go by what Andy is saying that the lads that are there are the ones that want to be there and give the commitment and those that don't are staying away. He is simply making the lads do what is necessary to close the gap with Dublin.
It seems though like it's a catch 22 because if you need to be doing very intense training to keep up with the Dubs, but that level of training is preventing you from having the best talent at your disposal what can you do.
But that's my reading of it. There might be more going on behind the scenes than I know.
Anyway this'll be a good test if the lads on this panel but I won't be crying into beer if it doesn't go our way.
Quote from: redzone on May 28, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Not backwards, same again as some simply doesn't make the step up to senior no matter how good they looked as minors on successful teams.
ray mulgrew, kyle coney, niall mc kenna, ronan o neill, danny mc nulty, richie donnelly, darren mc curry, conan grugan. thats off the top of my head of high class underage all ireland winners who went backwards when they joined the tyrone panel.
Ray mulgrew can't even make the Cookstown senior team this year. The one thing all them lack is speed, bar McKenna who is permanently injured. McCurry had a good spell with Tyrone.
What they lacked as Sean Cavanagh said was being played in a system allowed them express their talents.
Quote from: redzone on May 28, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Anyone at the Carlow game yesterday?
Were they good or Meath not interested?
*
Is it true half of Meath is now Dulchies and so Meath are being pushed out in their own Royal land by the Micks?
I think I'll start supporting Louth as I fancy a trip over to London. Will probably be better than this game anyway.
So, what is the injury count at the moment? Colm, Tiernan, Sparky, Lee and RoN (ego)
Any others?
Hope its a Sat game and not a Sunday one.
ronan o neill flying for omagh yesterday. man of the match display with 5 points to boot. i think its just when he pulls the tyrone jersey on his confidence gone.
Or not for the first time a decent club footballer finds the step up to senior county level to high.
or not the first tyrone player to win underage all irelands then go backwards when they join tyrone seniors...
Not backwards, same again as some simply doesn't make the step up to senior no matter how good they looked as minors on successful teams.
ray mulgrew, kyle coney, niall mc kenna, ronan o neill, danny mc nulty, richie donnelly, darren mc curry, conan grugan. thats off the top of my head of high class underage all ireland winners who went backwards when they joined the tyrone panel.
Ray mulgrew can't even make the Cookstown senior team this year. The one thing all them lack is speed, bar McKenna who is permanently injured. McCurry had a good spell with Tyrone.
Lazy comment or just one to show your ignorance ?
You reckon Darren Mc Curry lacks speed ?
Richie Donnelly and Conan Grugan are as quick as you need to be to play half forward. They're as quick as Brian Mc Guigan,Ryan Mellon or Gerard Cavlan were and as quick as Conor Meyler, Frank Burns or Kieran Mc Geary are now
Meath should give it a lash. They did a lot of training and it would be a pity not to register anything for all of it. Tyrone are a bit lost and have too many similar players. Plus they don't have any stand out forwards. We need to see Meath''s inner mongrel. If there is such a thing.
Quote from: thejuice on May 28, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
That said, anyone with their eyes open knew this year was going to be a write off with lads leaving the panel at the start of the league and then others afterwards. There are others not wanting to be a part of the county set up too from what I understand.
The truth is we don't have the players right now to do anything and it's hard to say because I know the lads that are there are probably putting in ferocious effort.
The good news is that we are starting to get the right results at underage. This is really what is of more importance and interest right now than the senior panel. Hopefully this is the start of something bright for the future but it will have to be carefully managed so that these lads make the transition to senior level as smoothly as possible. There are some great looking prospects on our minor and U-20 side that hopefully when the time comes they'll blend in well with a few of the remaining better lads we have at senior at the moment.
It's hard to know what the current management set up is like as some would just look at the results and say it's bad but if you go by what Andy is saying that the lads that are there are the ones that want to be there and give the commitment and those that don't are staying away. He is simply making the lads do what is necessary to close the gap with Dublin.
It seems though like it's a catch 22 because if you need to be doing very intense training to keep up with the Dubs, but that level of training is preventing you from having the best talent at your disposal what can you do.
But that's my reading of it. There might be more going on behind the scenes than I know.
Anyway this'll be a good test if the lads on this panel but I won't be crying into beer if it doesn't go our way.
Our problem at the moment is that we are not competing for anything.
Won't win Leinster, won't win an All-Ireland.
I don't think people in other provinces quite get this concept.
I'm not blaming Dublin for anything, they're doing their thing and utterly dominating, but the reality is that if we had beaten Longford, we'd be looking down the barrel of a 20-point tanking in Croke Park.
Now people will say, "You should still be beating Longford", and maybe they are right but I think we saw at the weekend what that intangible quality, 'spirit', can do for a team.
Meath teams don't have spirit anymore.
How do we get it back?
We get it back by winning!
You can see the conundrum here.
The sad reality is that it's not a big deal to play for Meath anymore.
When I was growing up you had instant rock star status if you were even anywhere near the training panel.
We have a weak club championship so the step up to county level is even more pronounced.
I think we all have our fingers and toes crossed that we start to see the progress at u-17 and u-20 level bear fruit, but until that happens some lads will simply decide it's not worth it.
All of our efforts should be focused on getting our u-17s to move on to u-20 and stay competitive with Dublin.
Dublin hurlers got to a stage where they had no fear of Kilkenny because they were used to beating them all the way up at underage.
I think it will take another 5 years, but hopefully we will arrive at a point where we are competitive again at the top level, and can sustain that competitiveness into the future.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: thejuice on May 28, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
That said, anyone with their eyes open knew this year was going to be a write off with lads leaving the panel at the start of the league and then others afterwards. There are others not wanting to be a part of the county set up too from what I understand.
The truth is we don't have the players right now to do anything and it's hard to say because I know the lads that are there are probably putting in ferocious effort.
The good news is that we are starting to get the right results at underage. This is really what is of more importance and interest right now than the senior panel. Hopefully this is the start of something bright for the future but it will have to be carefully managed so that these lads make the transition to senior level as smoothly as possible. There are some great looking prospects on our minor and U-20 side that hopefully when the time comes they'll blend in well with a few of the remaining better lads we have at senior at the moment.
It's hard to know what the current management set up is like as some would just look at the results and say it's bad but if you go by what Andy is saying that the lads that are there are the ones that want to be there and give the commitment and those that don't are staying away. He is simply making the lads do what is necessary to close the gap with Dublin.
It seems though like it's a catch 22 because if you need to be doing very intense training to keep up with the Dubs, but that level of training is preventing you from having the best talent at your disposal what can you do.
But that's my reading of it. There might be more going on behind the scenes than I know.
Anyway this'll be a good test if the lads on this panel but I won't be crying into beer if it doesn't go our way.
Our problem at the moment is that we are not competing for anything.
Won't win Leinster, won't win an All-Ireland.
I don't think people in other provinces quite get this concept.
I'm not blaming Dublin for anything, they're doing their thing and utterly dominating, but the reality is that if we had beaten Longford, we'd be looking down the barrel of a 20-point tanking in Croke Park.
Now people will say, "You should still be beating Longford", and maybe they are right but I think we saw at the weekend what that intangible quality, 'spirit', can do for a team.
Meath teams don't have spirit anymore.
How do we get it back?
We get it back by winning!
You can see the conundrum here.
The sad reality is that it's not a big deal to play for Meath anymore.
When I was growing up you had instant rock star status if you were even anywhere near the training panel.
We have a weak club championship so the step up to county level is even more pronounced.
I think we all have our fingers and toes crossed that we start to see the progress at u-17 and u-20 level bear fruit, but until that happens some lads will simply decide it's not worth it.
All of our efforts should be focused on getting our u-17s to move on to u-20 and stay competitive with Dublin.
Dublin hurlers got to a stage where they had no fear of Kilkenny because they were used to beating them all the way up at underage.
I think it will take another 5 years, but hopefully we will arrive at a point where we are competitive again at the top level, and can sustain that competitiveness into the future.
Did longford or Carlow have spirit at the weekend? How did they get it?
Why can some teams in Leinster have spirit but not meath?
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
I'm not really getting what you are trying to say jinxy.
Looking from outside, meath have plenty to play for. A good run in Leinster would have given them a great chance to get to the super 8's.
The super 8's is being viewed by many as 'sucess'.
In addition, Meath had plenty to play for in division 2 league this year.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place. No credit is given for beating anyone in Leinster bar Kildare. Same for Kildare on the reversal. Dublin are so far ahead that there is nothing to motivate players. Most won't give the commitment because they know they will just be ridiculed if they fail. Dublin have sucked the life out of Leinster.
Quote from: westbound on May 29, 2018, 02:22:08 PM
I'm not really getting what you are trying to say jinxy.
Looking from outside, meath have plenty to play for. A good run in Leinster would have given them a great chance to get to the super 8's.
The super 8's is being viewed by many as 'sucess'.
In addition, Meath had plenty to play for in division 2 league this year.
Beat Longford and play Dublin in Croke Park.
Would that be a good run?
I'm hoping there will be a kick from the lads against Tyrone because we now have something tangible to play for.
a) it's game over if we lose
and,
b) we are playing a superior team, but not 'Dublin-level' superior, at home.
My prediction is that we might well play our best game of the year and still lose.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place. No credit is given for beating anyone in Leinster bar Kildare. Same for Kildare on the reversal. Dublin are so far ahead that there is nothing to motivate players. Most won't give the commitment because they know they will just be ridiculed if they fail. Dublin have sucked the life out of Leinster.
This +1000.
Glad someone who isn't from Meath or Kildare can see it.
Dublin will obliterate Longford and whoever they play in the final, and there's a strong chance both of those teams will be easy pickings in the qualifiers as their morale will be on the floor.
That's what the Leinster championship does to you.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place.
Let them stay there for as long as possible.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2018, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place.
Let them stay there for as long as possible.
Wonder what the outspoken bullshit artist Bernard has to say.
Btw, even as a Mayoman I feel for the genuine Meath folk on here, Jinxy and the Juice, they are so correct on the Leinster issue, however on the flip side, given the population explosions in both Meath and Kildare over last twenty years, it is some what mindboggling to say the least how bad they both are.
Quote from: joemamas on May 29, 2018, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2018, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place.
Let them stay there for as long as possible.
Wonder what the outspoken bullshit artist Bernard has to say.
Btw, even as a Mayoman I feel for the genuine Meath folk on here, Jinxy and the Juic, they are so correct on the Leinster issue, however on the flip side, given the population explosions in both Meath and Kildare over last twenty years, it is some what mindboggling to say the least how bad they both are.
Me too :) And football is worse off without Meath there challenging Dublin.
You'd miss them alright.
No matter what disasters might befall them during a game v Dublin the old Meath would keep battling away and still frighten the sh1te out of them.
They had contempt for just about everyone.
Sad times when people are feeling sorry for them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place. No credit is given for beating anyone in Leinster bar Kildare. Same for Kildare on the reversal. Dublin are so far ahead that there is nothing to motivate players. Most won't give the commitment because they know they will just be ridiculed if they fail. Dublin have sucked the life out of Leinster.
Just like Kilkenny did in the hurling . But sitting on your arse and whining about how unfair it is isn't great either. The great Meath teams Boylan built never got anything handed to them.
You win by doing the iterations. You win by learning. Kilkenny played Galway 11 times since 2009 and won 10. But nothing lasts forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYj-24PmwsE&t=54s
The Dub empire will also fall. Teams like Meath and Kildare have to find players who can see beyond this year and who want to do the work to build up into something. A losing psychology is hopeless.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place. No credit is given for beating anyone in Leinster bar Kildare. Same for Kildare on the reversal. Dublin are so far ahead that there is nothing to motivate players. Most won't give the commitment because they know they will just be ridiculed if they fail. Dublin have sucked the life out of Leinster.
The only solution I can see is the 10 normal Leinster counties playing for a Leinster trophy every season with Dublin being freed to play more competitive A vs B games instead. I'd propose 2 groups of 5 with each team gettting 2 home and 2 away games. 2nd and 3rd in each group going into quarter finals with the two group winners getting home semi finals.
Possibly split north and south so it would be a group A of Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly and Westmeath with group B comprising Carlow, Laois, Kildare, Wexford and Wicklow. The winner could even enter the All Ireland series at some stage.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 29, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 29, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Longford and Carlow have something to play for though.
Look at the reaction to their respective wins.
They took two 'scalps', i.e. defeated counties who are traditionally more successful than them.
A successful (and I use the term loosely) Leinster campaign for Meath in the current climate would involve beating Kildare.
We know we are a hundred miles off Dublin.
I don't mean any disrespect to Longford or Carlow who were full value for their wins.
It's not arrogance, so much as it is a kind of malignant and subconscious apathy.
The players do the training, eat the right food etc. but it's as if they've forgotten all of that stuff is a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
We used to have cold-blooded killers playing for us.
They might not have been the best trainers, or had the best diet, but when they went on the field they refused to give an inch and refused to give up no matter how far behind they were.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think we were too hasty and got rid of some of our best footballers in recent years because they weren't athletes.
Now, we're in some kind of limbo where we don't have enough footballers to beat a team of footballers and we don't have enough athletes to beat a team of athletes.
Meath are between a Rock and a Hard place. No credit is given for beating anyone in Leinster bar Kildare. Same for Kildare on the reversal. Dublin are so far ahead that there is nothing to motivate players. Most won't give the commitment because they know they will just be ridiculed if they fail. Dublin have sucked the life out of Leinster.
The only solution I can see is the 10 normal Leinster counties playing for a Leinster trophy every season with Dublin being freed to play more competitive A vs B games instead. I'd propose 2 groups of 5 with each team gettting 2 home and 2 away games. 2nd and 3rd in each group going into quarter finals with the two group winners getting home semi finals.
Possibly split north and south so it would be a group A of Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly and Westmeath with group B comprising Carlow, Laois, Kildare, Wexford and Wicklow. The winner could even enter the All Ireland series at some stage.
It could be called the Stockholm Cup
Tier 3
Going back to an earlier point Jinxy made, this Longford team had a good record against us at underage and so didn't fear going up against us at senior. Pretty sure they beat us twice in the last 5 or 6 years at Minor level.
I'm not asking for anyone's pity or for a restructuring of any competition. We just haven't got our house in order yet but I think we are slowly getting there I hope. The current state of the senior squad is just something we'll have to put up with for now because there's no amount of tweaking or fiddling with the engine is going to turn a Fiat Punto into a Porsche 911.
That said still no reason why we shouldn't ram our Punto into the side of the red and white Honda Civic that's coming down the N2 in a few weeks.
I think of all the provincial championships Leinster is the most fcuked. The all Ireland is pretty much going the same way though. However with the population explosions in Kildare and Meath does the extensive funding for Dublins coaching and development stop at the border of these counties. If so how can that be justified as these counties are highly populated also and need more resources than before.
Because that in itself would be a major part of the problem. All kids need access to the best coaching for our games throughout the island and if centrally funded it should go beyond the needs of the Dubs.
Obviously there are other factors as well but from the sound of it new clubs need to be created in Kildare and Meath in areas of high density population. Just the same as Dublin did.
The management of the Leinster GAA situation is obviously lacking in wit never mind resources, not just the individual counties.
Quote from: rrhf on May 29, 2018, 10:28:38 PM
I think of all the provincial championships Leinster is the most fcuked. The all Ireland is pretty much going the same way though. However with the population explosions in Kildare and Meath does the extensive funding for Dublins coaching and development stop at the border of these counties. If so how can that be justified as these counties are highly populated also and need more resources than before.
Because that in itself would be a major part of the problem. All kids need access to the best coaching for our games throughout the island and if centrally funded it should go beyond the needs of the Dubs.
Obviously there are other factors as well but from the sound of it new clubs need to be created in Kildare and Meath in areas of high density population. Just the same as Dublin did.
The management of the Leinster GAA situation is obviously lacking in wit never mind resources, not just the individual counties.
Leixlip and Confey needed to amalgamate at minor level last season, I imagine it is a different story 5 minutes up the road in Lucan.
Kildare & Meath are rugby country now.
Quote from: thejuice on May 29, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
That said still no reason why we shouldn't ram our Punto into the side of the red and white and red Honda Civic that's coming down the N2 in a few weeks.
FFS We're not shagging Louth you know! :P
The MCB playing silly buggers not telling us (or the CCCC) what the throw-in time is yet -- are they hoping we'll think it's 5pm (after your hurlers), only for it to have been at a surprise 11am? ;)
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2018, 06:00:31 AM
Meath should give it a lash. They did a lot of training and it would be a pity not to register anything for all of it. Tyrone are a bit lost and have too many similar players. Plus they don't have any stand out forwards. We need to see Meath''s inner mongrel. If there is such a thing.
Any chance you'd stop that sort of patronising shite?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 29, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
That said still no reason why we shouldn't ram our Punto into the side of the red and white and red Honda Civic that's coming down the N2 in a few weeks.
FFS We're not shagging Louth you know! :P
The MCB playing silly buggers not telling us (or the CCCC) what the throw-in time is yet -- are they hoping we'll think it's 5pm (after your hurlers), only for it to have been at a surprise 11am? ;)
The MCB are just checking the rule book to know how long a hurling match is. But They tore out all those pages to use them as raffle tickets for the Pairc Tailteann redevelopment
Quote from: thejuice on May 30, 2018, 06:50:13 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 29, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
That said still no reason why we shouldn't ram our Punto into the side of the red and white and red Honda Civic that's coming down the N2 in a few weeks.
FFS We're not shagging Louth you know! :P
The MCB playing silly buggers not telling us (or the CCCC) what the throw-in time is yet -- are they hoping we'll think it's 5pm (after your hurlers), only for it to have been at a surprise 11am? ;)
The MCB are just checking the rule book to know how long a hurling match is. But They tore out all those pages to use them as raffle tickets for the Pairc Tailteann redevelopment
Any reason given for the delay in announcing throw-in time? Maybe RTE are being persuaded to cover it.
7pm throw-ins are bit late as could be extra-time.
Meath v Laois in a hurling game at 3pm in Navan 9th June so you'd imagine it will be on at 5pm then.
Are there many Tyrone wans coming down for it?
Will we have a team at all lads? Is McClure out now too?
If some of you get down early and want to stretch your legs, the Ardboyne Hotel runs advanced line-dancing classes on a Saturday afternoon.
The local Philomena Begley tribute act, Truck Drivin' Woman is having a hip operation, but there's a Truck Drivin' Woman tribute act playing in Ryan's.
Featuring Philomena Begley on steel guitar.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 30, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
Featuring Philomena Begley on steel guitar.
Will there be a carvery?
2 Rs in the one word as well which is a delight in the local accent.
Sky showing the game . 5pm throw in by the looks of it.
Quote from: bamboo on May 30, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
Sky showing the game . 5pm throw in by the looks of it.
Theyre already showing 2 hurling games?? 5&7pm??
Quote from: bamboo on May 30, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
Sky showing the game . 5pm throw in by the looks of it.
They've confirmed on Twitter that they'll be covering this game. Coverage starts at 4.30pm.
they're dropping the Dublin v Galway match. Tweeted it earlier, dunno how to screenshot it, sorry, but I'm not making it up, promise.
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11390307/sky-sports-to-exclusively-broadcast-meath-vs-tyrone
Quote from: bamboo on May 30, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
they're dropping the Dublin v Galway match. Tweeted it earlier, dunno how to screenshot it, sorry, but I'm not making it up, promise.
The two Leinster hurling games would have to be on at the same time as its the last round, so unless they were going showing them across two channels they weren't showing both.
Quote from: bamboo on May 30, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
they're dropping the Dublin v Galway match. Tweeted it earlier, dunno how to screenshot it, sorry, but I'm not making it up, promise.
I stand corrected!!
So with McClure out now as well surely the numbers are low. McClure, L brennan, Sparky Bradley all out injured is there anymore on the panel? Harte suspended. Cavanagh and T McCann will hopefully be match fit. With games coming thick and fast I'm guessing more injuries will be picked up. Could do without any more suspensions. they will be needing a full panel in the next few months anyway.
Quote from: bamboo on May 30, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
they're dropping the Dublin v Galway match. Tweeted it earlier, dunno how to screenshot it, sorry, but I'm not making it up, promise.
Well done Sky and RTE should have done something similar to show Monaghan v Tyrone live as it was always going to be a good match and it turned out to be the game of the year so far.
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on May 31, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
So with McClure out now as well surely the numbers are low. McClure, L brennan, Sparky Bradley all out injured is there anymore on the panel? Harte suspended. Cavanagh and T McCann will hopefully be match fit. With games coming thick and fast I'm guessing more injuries will be picked up. Could do without any more suspensions. they will be needing a full panel in the next few months anyway.
We'll give you a couple of our subs if you need to make up the 15.
With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?
Bandage them up in the dressingroom to save time.
Meath need to try psy ops against the Tyrone boys.
Read Philip Jordan's hatchet job on Sean Cavanagh on RTE then the latest Gaelic world with Horse Devlin.
Give the marker a jostle and then say Cavanagh is right.
: "Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney who came through way back in 2009, 2010, Niall McKenna, there's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers..."
If the marker is a forward ask him.if he is an attacker. Honest question.
If he gets upset ask if he ever contradicted Mickey on tactics.
Wait another few balls, give another jostle and say Mickey is right. Quote liberally from the articles.
Better than holy water.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?
Who's yer best rugby tackler now that Big Sean has hung up his swimming togs?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?
Who's yer best rugby tackler now that Big Sean has hung up his swimming togs?
Jacob Stockdale
Quote from: In hiding on May 31, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?
Who's yer best rugby tackler now that Big Sean has hung up his swimming togs?
Jacob Stockdale
Brilliant! 8)
I believe he has a great work ethic.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
I believe he has a great work ethic.
Great finisher
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
I believe he has a great work ethic.
All protestants do, Jinxy. If they played gaelic football they would all be able to.pop over points from either sideline on either foot. Even the corner backs.
The time saved by not saying the Rosary adds up to loads of practice.
Could be a good year for the Royals.
Over 500 people turned out in Navan County Meath today to honour the actor Pierce Brosnan. Navan Urban District Council bestowed the honour of Freeman on the 46-year-old at a civic reception at ten o'clock this morning. The James Bond star, who was accompanied by his mother May and his son Christopher, mingled with locals for over an hour. Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.
Over an hour?
'Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.'
Hypothetical question here.
If Pierce had been reared in Drogheda, instead of Navan, would he have grown up to be James Bond?
I think we all know the answer.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 06:27:22 PM
'Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.'
Hypothetical question here.
If Pierce had been reared in Drogheda, instead of Navan, would he have grown up to be James Bond?
I think we all know the answer.
He was checking out A View to a Kill in terms of Tyrone dismantling Meath's 2018 chances.
Always hated Meath. Hope we hammer them next week. McDermott's tackle on God in 96 was up there with the most treacherous acts of the last 30 years in Croke Park.
And then Sludden adding salt to the wounds. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 06:27:22 PM
'Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.'
Hypothetical question here.
If Pierce had been reared in Drogheda, instead of Navan, would he have grown up to be James Bond?
I think we all know the answer.
Both are within the Pale so probably Yes
James Bond from Meath.
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James Bond from Louth.
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Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Over 500 people turned out in Navan County Meath today to honour the actor Pierce Brosnan. Navan Urban District Council bestowed the honour of Freeman on the 46-year-old at a civic reception at ten o'clock this morning. The James Bond star, who was accompanied by his mother May and his son Christopher, mingled with locals for over an hour. Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.
Over an hour?
46 my ass more like 76
Just looked it up 64, hope you are not an accountant O Neill
So I predict:
Tyrone 1-12 Meath 007
I expect Tyrone to be shaken but not stirred.
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Over 500 people turned out in Navan County Meath today to honour the actor Pierce Brosnan. Navan Urban District Council bestowed the honour of Freeman on the 46-year-old at a civic reception at ten o'clock this morning. The James Bond star, who was accompanied by his mother May and his son Christopher, mingled with locals for over an hour. Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.
Over an hour?
46 my ass more like 76
Just looked it up 64, hope you are not an accountant O Neill
That was about 20 years ago. I remember seeing it reported on the news and the oleaginous p***k treating the whole thing as a joke with a smarmy smirk on his face and a contemptuous attitude to whatever dignitary was conferring the honour.
I've been saving "oleaginous" for a suitable outing. I'm happy now.
James Bond with an Ardee accent. Now that would be special.
Quote from: Hardy on May 31, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Over 500 people turned out in Navan County Meath today to honour the actor Pierce Brosnan. Navan Urban District Council bestowed the honour of Freeman on the 46-year-old at a civic reception at ten o'clock this morning. The James Bond star, who was accompanied by his mother May and his son Christopher, mingled with locals for over an hour. Mr Brosnan, who was born in Drogheda and lived in Navan for 12 years, declared himself proud to be a Navan man.
Over an hour?
46 my ass more like 76
Just looked it up 64, hope you are not an accountant O Neill
That was about 20 years ago. I remember seeing it reported on the news and the oleaginous p***k treating the whole thing as a joke with a smarmy smirk on his face and a contemptuous attitude to whatever dignitary was conferring the honour.
I've been saving "oleaginous" for a suitable outing. I'm happy now.
Oleaginous was the name given after a feed of pints by Meath fans to Ollie Murphy, who was classed as a fuball genius
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2018, 07:26:56 PM
And then Sludden adding salt to the wounds. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.
Sludden has been known to favour Carmen purely because everyone else hates the bastards, twas the same with Meath
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 31, 2018, 07:13:33 PM
Always hated Meath. Hope we hammer them next week. McDermott's tackle on God in 96 was up there with the most treacherous acts of the last 30 years in Croke Park.
+1 only it over the last 100 years!
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Lucky is only Meath we're playing with that background going on..
Sickening arrogance.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
With so many of our key men already out it may work in our favour, as it's going to be very tough for Meath to come up with a targeted strategy of late tackles and head stamping at such short notice. What odds on Matty Donnelly being in some form of head bandage before half time?
Who's yer best rugby tackler now that Big Sean has hung up his swimming togs?
We need to find someone who can rugby tackle to try to stop Joe Sheridan touching down under the posts. Sludden wasn't up to the job the last day.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 11:09:12 PM
Sickening arrogance.
Yeh, but yis are getting better at hiding it
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
Nobody criticises Mickey Harte? What planet are you on?
Can Meath bate Tyrone and win BGT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8yD3-HWTg
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.
For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.
For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.
Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.
Does anyone else think Meath and Kildare chose to get out of the Leinster championship as early as they could
They know its soul destroying playing in a competition they have no chance of EVER winning and so the quicker they get into the qualifiers the better. They could get a good run of matches and build up a head of steam, rather than getting to a Leinster final, take a massive hammering and then not recover in time for the last round of qualifiers.
I wonder was there any strange betting activity last weekend in Kildare and Dulchieland?
Some interesting reading from the infamous 1996 when Meath taught Tyrone a vital lesson.
Who would have thought that year that Meath football would take such a downturn?
Are they any good at hurling or camogie?
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/ill-never-forget-the-day-bad-blood-spilled-over-tyrone-31367412.html
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/how-meath-taught-tyrone-the-hard-way-to-win-sam-26308686.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tyrone-fall-to-the-guile-of-meath-1.78134
Quite correct Fuzz, and what an enormous debt of gratitude we still owe to those Meath hoors of '96, and how they (literally) kicked the winning of those All-Irelands into us, long may we be (ever so) grateful, your honour! :P
As they say, there's no greater form of flattery than imitation, and little was that imitation in 2013 & 2015... let us fully thank them for their munificence in Páirc Tailteann on June 9th. Léan ar Aghaidh! :D
Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.
Yeah the myth in Meath was that ye had good footballers.
However ye now know that ye kicked, punched and gouged yer way to AllIrelands.
We never gouged.
Maybe.... but Mikey Burke fishhooked Eoghan O'Gara did he not?
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.
Point taken, Boylan's most ardent disciple, ever! :P
Always found Meath over-rated. For Giles to be a 2-time player of the year when the Gooch couldn't win it once beggars belief. People fell into the trap of falling for Boylan's lovable Granda-ness. No coincidence that the introduction of drug testing finished that ''great'' Meath team.
Worried about this one. Tyrone have a right few injuries. Could be a short Summer.
Quote from: laceer on June 01, 2018, 07:00:32 PM
Worried about this one. Tyrone have a right few injuries. Could be a short Summer.
Injuries notwithstanding, we'd struggle against Longford? (No disrespect Larries). *
* Sickening arrogance
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.
For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.
Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.
Over the last 5 years Dublin have had the same style. Donegal had the same style from Mc Guinness started until Gallagher left.
Another complete bullshit fallacy is that teams don't have the forwards so they play defensively. You play defensive football coz your defenders are shite and you're trying to cover for them. After Jordan, Gormley and Ricey retired we'd imitations of defenders and so became defensive to cover their failings. We've had plenty of good forwards this past 5 years but they've fallen out of the game because they haven't been getting the support to play their game.
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.
For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.
Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.
Over the last 5 years Dublin have had the same style. Donegal had the same style from Mc Guinness started until Gallagher left.
Another complete bullshit fallacy is that teams don't have the forwards so they play defensively. You play defensive football coz your defenders are shite and you're trying to cover for them. After Jordan, Gormley and Ricey retired we'd imitations of defenders and so became defensive to cover their failings. We've had plenty of good forwards this past 5 years but they've fallen out of the game because they haven't been getting the support to play their game.
Dublin have played the same style as Tyrone over the past 5 years?
The poor Dubs fans have to wait to August til they get a game they can get excited about.
I'm out with about 10 of them 2nite and the chat is all about More Salad, World cup and could they get Tyrone, Monaghan and mayo in their super 8 group.
As a good mate asked me this week.
If it was The Dubs v a rest of Ireland 15 who would win.
The fact that you're thinking who would be in the rest of Ireland team says it all.
It must be hard for Mead fans to watch teams like Tipp, Monaghan, Donegal even fecking Clare pass them out.
Was 96 the last time they ever made a semi?
Now not only so they gave up home advantage to the Dubs it they have let the Dubs infiltrate their true gaa strongholds and let their kids wear Dub shirts and talk about Brogan and Rocks.
À sad sad situation that a once proud county can't even rise up to being interested in their own province.
did meath not make the semis after they beat tyrone in the 2007 q final?
It might be true, but would a REAL Tyrone person post that on Here.
You might think it but if you were from another county with an agenda to influence feelings towards Harte then that post makes sense now
We won Sam in 1999. We got to the final in 2001. Semis in 2007 and 2009. Won* Leinster in 2010.
Done f**k all since then worth talking about but we haven't had the players to be honest.
Teams rise and fall and we've had hard times before. With modern football the sand is nearly always shifting under your feet but by all indications we have built structures for underage that should start bearing fruit soon.
We'll just have to grin and bear it at senior level for now but there are enough committed people putting in the hard work now so that we'll be back up to the top in a few years. Right now the senior squad is really just going through the motions.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 01, 2018, 09:21:02 PM
It might be true, but would a REAL Tyrone person post that on Here.
You might think it but if you were from another county with an agenda to influence feelings towards Harte then that post makes sense now
was there a mistake in my post? it was the only one i could think of because it involved us. i never mentioned harte.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 01, 2018, 09:03:59 PM
It must be hard for Mead fans to watch teams like Tipp, Monaghan, Donegal even fecking Clare pass them out.
Was 96 the last time they ever made a semi?
Now not only so they gave up home advantage to the Dubs it they have let the Dubs infiltrate their true gaa strongholds and let their kids wear Dub shirts and talk about Brogan and Rocks.
À sad sad situation that a once proud county can't even rise up to being interested in their own province.
It's impossible to prevent a county from losing status once the process starts. It happens to everyone. I can even remember it happening to Kerry. Meath are probably at the bottom of the cycle now . They will be back again.
Meath still put the fear in me. Even though we've probably turned them over more than they've managed that to us, when they do it rumbles on. On the plus side, it leads to an All-Ireland soon enough.
Quote from: Zulu on June 01, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 31, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/
QuoteThe 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.
"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg)
Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time. Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .
Nobody ever criticised Franco either. They just changed everything after he left the stage
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.
Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.
It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.
For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.
Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.
Over the last 5 years Dublin have had the same style. Donegal had the same style from Mc Guinness started until Gallagher left.
Another complete bullshit fallacy is that teams don't have the forwards so they play defensively. You play defensive football coz your defenders are shite and you're trying to cover for them. After Jordan, Gormley and Ricey retired we'd imitations of defenders and so became defensive to cover their failings. We've had plenty of good forwards this past 5 years but they've fallen out of the game because they haven't been getting the support to play their game.
Dublin have played the same style as Tyrone over the past 5 years?
No Dublin's own style has changed little. I was challenging his assertion that sticking to one system of play is indicative of not having the players.
There's a huge love in here and it's strange to see. Everybody longing for the era when anything with a Meath jumper on was a proper bastid.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 01, 2018, 09:21:02 PM
It might be true, but would a REAL Tyrone person post that on Here.
You might think it but if you were from another county with an agenda to influence feelings towards Harte then that post makes sense now
STG is from Fermanagh ! Just on here stirring
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2018, 09:26:51 AM
There's a huge love in here and it's strange to see. Everybody longing for the era when anything with a Meath jumper on was a proper bastid.
I miss the days when Tyrone put Kerry back in their box.
Quote from: ONeill on June 01, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
Meath still put the fear in me. Even though we've probably turned them over more than they've managed that to us, when they do it rumbles on. On the plus side, it leads to an All-Ireland soon enough.
Losing to Meath is the only way you will lift the curse... that I put on you.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 01, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
Meath still put the fear in me. Even though we've probably turned them over more than they've managed that to us, when they do it rumbles on. On the plus side, it leads to an All-Ireland soon enough.
Losing to Meath is the only way you will lift the curse... that I put on you.
I'd rather keep the curse and hammer ye.
We certainly have enough forwards out injured to weaken us enough to be worried about Meath.
Did I read yesterday that Skeet might be out too.
It would feel really weird being out of it in early June.
Quote from: trileacman on June 02, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 01, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
Meath still put the fear in me. Even though we've probably turned them over more than they've managed that to us, when they do it rumbles on. On the plus side, it leads to an All-Ireland soon enough.
Losing to Meath is the only way you will lift the curse... that I put on you.
I'd rather keep the curse and hammer ye.
Don't make me double the curse.
First time out in the qualifiers any side is vulnerable and Tyrone are no different especially in light of the Cavanagh media comments which are bound to create a bit of discontent in the Tyrone dressing room. Away from home Tyrone are vulnerable here if Meath can stay with them until half time. If the game is tight entering the last 10 minutes Tyrone will be under serious pressure.
I seem to remember Louth getting a draw in similar circumstances against a far superior Tyrone side about 10-12 years ago. I presume this game is on tv, it looks like the pick of the qualifiers.
Hey lads, less of the cursing the afflicted :P
If Meath win this one, 'tis more than a drawing board's required ;)
Darren heading to Chicago.
Would Garret Devlin be a good man to bring in? Seriously good player.
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
Is it? They have two hurling games listed for next Saturday but no mention of this game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
I don't really know any good pubs in Tyrone.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 03, 2018, 01:11:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
Is it? They have two hurling games listed for next Saturday but no mention of this game.
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11390307/sky-sports-to-exclusively-broadcast-meath-vs-tyrone
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
I don't really know any good pubs in Tyrone.
Some awful dives.
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2018, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
I don't really know any good pubs in Tyrone.
Some awful dives.
Keep digging, to be returned in spades :D
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2018, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Yeah game on sky.
What's a good pub to meet in before the game?
I don't really know any good pubs in Tyrone.
Some awful dives.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/021/267/swedish_chef.jpg)
If you do plan on drinking in any of the local hostelries before/after the game, please be aware that Meath County Council Bye-Laws prohibit, 'the sale of strong spirits to any customer, male or female, displaying visible chest hair and/or miraculous medals.'
So button up them shirts.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2018, 09:53:19 PM
If you do plan on drinking in any of the local hostelries before/after the game, please be aware that Meath County Council Bye-Laws prohibit, 'the sale of strong spirits to any customer, male or female, displaying visible chest hair and/or miraculous medals.'
So button up them shirts.
Yet more digging... let her rip...
Whale away Meathies, only jesting :)
Rather instructive though, this reticence to divulge a Navan pre-match hostelry -- go on, go on, go on ;)
Berminghams.
There should be a good crowd for this, I'd imagine.
PT on a sunny, Saturday evening is a throw-back to old-school championship football.
We've had some great battles there in recent years with Galway & Kildare in particular.
If it's a competitive game, the place will be hopping.
The grassy banks are certainly a throwback anyway😂
If we play in any way well we should win this.
PH will be a massive loss and it will be interesting to see who we play in the FF line.
Lose and MH will be under more pressure than ever before.
I cant see him changing his tactics as that would be a sign of weakness and losing power
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2018, 11:26:09 AM
The grassy banks are certainly a throwback anyway😂
To a better, more manly time.
Will Tyrone find deliverance between the green grassy bank by the Boyne?
Quote from: Taylor on June 06, 2018, 11:27:32 AM
If we play in any way well we should win this.
PH will be a massive loss and it will be interesting to see who we play in the FF line.
Lose and MH will be under more pressure than ever before.
I cant see him changing his tactics as that would be a sign of weakness and losing power
Tactics have changed a lot from 2-3 years ago, even from last year we are more open and offensive. Look at what we conceded in league and against Monaghan, Fermanagh actually beat Monaghan by using our defensive template from 2-3 years ago (which we in turn copied from Donegal).
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2018, 11:41:39 AM
Will Tyrone find deliverance between the green grassy bank by the Boyne?
Oh green, grassy banks of Navan
The laugh from my love you thieved
Meath should go for it. Tyrone are still loyal to Mickey. That could be worth 3 points. Plus no decent forwards is deeply unfashionable.
I'm wary of this one - I think back to last year when Derry nearly took Mayo and Carlow nearly took Monaghan - Could be a similar issue here with superior team going into an ambush. Plus we have lots of injuries but still thinking we can take by 2/3 points.
Wonder will Ronan O'neill be made pay for challenging Harte against Monaghan (he would have been a sure starter considering injuries if he hadn't).
Was also wondering is Ruairi Sludden Nialls brother - He could possibly get the start with so many missing.
Is there anyone to watch out for on the Meath team as in up and coming?
Quote from: WT4E on June 06, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
I'm wary of this one - I think back to last year when Derry nearly took Mayo and Carlow nearly took Monaghan - Could be a similar issue here with superior team going into an ambush. Plus we have lots of injuries but still thinking we can take by 2/3 points.
Wonder will Ronan O'neill be made pay for challenging Harte against Monaghan (he would have been a sure starter considering injuries if he hadn't).
Was also wondering is Ruairi Sludden Nialls brother - He could possibly get the start with so many missing.
Is there anyone to watch out for on the Meath team as in up and coming?
Is this fuzzman ?
Any thoughts on team for the weekend?
Morgan
HP McGeary
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Colm C
P McNulty
K McGeary
Sludden
McShane
RoN
McAliskey
M Donnelly
Options seriously limited in FF line, I'd be astonished to see Sludden starting but he has a great chance of getting game time. I'd say RoN will start with a quiet word in his ear to go out and prove himself after his display v Monaghan. I know it didn't really work out great last year but might we Mattie move into FF line and send more early, direct ball in?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 06, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
Any thoughts on team for the weekend?
Morgan
HP McGeary
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Colm C
P McNulty
K McGeary
Sludden
McShane
RoN
McAliskey
M Donnelly
Options seriously limited in FF line, I'd be astonished to see Sludden starting but he has a great chance of getting game time. I'd say RoN will start with a quiet word in his ear to go out and prove himself after his display v Monaghan. I know it didn't really work out great last year but might we Mattie move into FF line and send more early, direct ball in?
That'll probably be the team Omagh. With maybe 1 positions rejigged. Can't see Donnelly at full forward, take him out of our midfield area and we severely struggle to carry ball or dominate the area. When he struggles, we struggle. Still stand by earlier comments, our back line is to porous without the blanket and untill that changes Im afraid we won't challenge for honours.
Good but sad documentary (Tocht na Máthar) about Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, largely made up of interviews with the McAnallen family.
I guess at least there have been a good few lives saved as a result of the Cormac McAnallen Foundation and others providing defibrillators.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 06, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
Any thoughts on team for the weekend?
Morgan
HP McGeary
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Colm C
P McNulty
K McGeary
Sludden
McShane
RoN
McAliskey
M Donnelly
Options seriously limited in FF line, I'd be astonished to see Sludden starting but he has a great chance of getting game time. I'd say RoN will start with a quiet word in his ear to go out and prove himself after his display v Monaghan. I know it didn't really work out great last year but might we Mattie move into FF line and send more early, direct ball in?
I'd say that team won't be far away. Mckernan might be close to starting at corner back ahead of McGeary. McNulty and Ronan O'Neill both with plenty to prove if start. You couldn't rule out conal McCann based on previous selections but he'd be seriously lucky to start based on current year performances.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=
Meath vs Tyrone 2012 minor qtr final
A few familiar names in that video. A couple of lads that will be playing this weekend like McEntee, O'Sullivan and McEntee senior on the line, as well as notable absentees like Harnan. Adam Flanagan will be on the bench on Saturday but looked the part at Minor.
At the very least these lads have experience of beating Tyrone at some level, might count for something.
Many of the current Tyrone team there?
Was just watching the 2007 quarter-final.
Look at the amount of space the players had to play in back then.
Bring back the blanket defense, all is forgiven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9HshcL_wc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9HshcL_wc)
There are 6 players involved in the panel from that 2012 squad, 7 if you now include Ruairi Sludden. The most obvious players are Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Kieran McGeary...you'd expect all 3 to feature on Saturday in some shape or form.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 06, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
YT link there only takes you to their home page juice.
Presumably this is the clip in question? - https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c (https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c)
Remember being in Newry that night. There were a right few of that Tyrone team won the All Ireland U21 in 2012. From memory Mark Bradley and Sean Hackett were excellent that whole year. There's a 30 for 30 in there somewhere. Without looking too closely Bradley, Kieran McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy are in the senior squad now. Probably more
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 06, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
There are 6 players involved in the panel from that 2012 squad, 7 if you now include Ruairi Sludden. The most obvious players are Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Kieran McGeary...you'd expect all 3 to feature on Saturday in some shape or form.
*Mark Bradley is out with injury
Michael Cassidy and Ciaran McLaughlin not making the cut.
Quote from: barelegs on June 06, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 06, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
YT link there only takes you to their home page juice.
Presumably this is the clip in question? - https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c (https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c)
Remember being in Newry that night. There were a right few of that Tyrone team won the All Ireland U21 in 2012. From memory Mark Bradley and Sean Hackett were excellent that whole year. There's a 30 for 30 in there somewhere. Without looking too closely Bradley, Kieran McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy are in the senior squad now. Probably more
Was ruairi sludden in there too? What a game bradkey had that day. Hackett was a waste of talent wonder would he have made it had the awful incident nit happened?
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 06, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 06, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
There are 6 players involved in the panel from that 2012 squad, 7 if you now include Ruairi Sludden. The most obvious players are Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Kieran McGeary...you'd expect all 3 to feature on Saturday in some shape or form.
*Mark Bradley is out with injury
Michael Cassidy and Ciaran McLaughlin not making the cut.
Ciaran Mc Laughlin is injured. Has been for about 2 months
Quote from: WT4E on June 06, 2018, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: barelegs on June 06, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 06, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
YT link there only takes you to their home page juice.
Presumably this is the clip in question? - https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c (https://youtu.be/DMgl0MlgB3c)
Remember being in Newry that night. There were a right few of that Tyrone team won the All Ireland U21 in 2012. From memory Mark Bradley and Sean Hackett were excellent that whole year. There's a 30 for 30 in there somewhere. Without looking too closely Bradley, Kieran McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy are in the senior squad now. Probably more
Was ruairi sludden in there too? What a game bradkey had that day. Hackett was a waste of talent wonder would he have made it had the awful incident nit happened?
By all accounts he was destined for big things yes.
This match is asymmetric for Tyrone . They are expected to win but if they lose it will be a catastrophe.
Meath were atrocious last year. Maybe they can rouse themselves. If they lose it won't be much of a big deal.
Whoever wins will get a serious bounce going into the next game.
Tyrone, because they've beaten the old enemy, 'MEATH'.
Meath, because they've beaten the old enemy, 'ANYONE'.
Laois Today has some breaking news on the religious weaponry to be deployed in this match
Sponsored by the Presbytery in Portlaoise
Tyrone will be going with a traditional prayer to buttress the prayers they already used to no avail against Monaghan.
The Blessed Virgin. O most beautiful Flower of Croke Park, fruitful vine splendour of Heaven, fruitfuö fount of scoribg forwards, Blessed Mother of the Son of God, Immaculate Virgin, assist us in a win over Meath.. O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to Thee (say 3 times). Holy Mary, I place this cause in your hands (say 3 times after the Rosary )
Meath have lost that fuball feeling and are believed to have gone back to basics with
"Jesus Mary and Joseph assist us now and in our last agony. "
It may come down to who has the best holy water.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 07, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
Whoever wins will get a serious bounce going into the next game.
Tyrone, because they've beaten the old enemy, 'MEATH'.
Meath, because they've beaten the old enemy, 'ANYONE'.
Here Jinxy don't mean to bust your bubble but no one likes Meath either! ;D
The manly and/or aristocratic counties still appreciate us.
Tyrone make 4 changes to their starting 15:
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 M McKernan
8 C Cavanagh
9 P McNulty
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
16 M O'Neill
17 R Brennan
18 M Cassidy
19 H Loughran
20 C McCann
21 D McClure
22 A McCrory
23 K McGeary
24 R McNabb
25 R O'Neill
26 R Sludden
Biggest surprise is Ritchy Donnelly starting in FF line, however, he'll likely spend time moving out the field too. I'd say you'll see the likes of him and Mc Shane alternating between FF and HF line. Michael Mc Kernan starting in wing back is a positive move, excellent defender, pace to burn and can take a score. Big chance for him.
With the lack of natural forwards starting are we likely to see a return to the tactics of last year were we lay deep and attacked at pace with limited presence in the FF line? I can't see Mickey leaving the likes of R Donnelly or McShane in FF line for long periods of time.
Tyrone will win this handy enough, I also believe the qualifiers will suit them and if they draw is kind to them and they get a bit of momentum up they will be hard to stop. Also a few weeks down the line and players come back from injury and the few players that are back get more sessions and games into their legs everything will pick up. I genuinely think if Tyrone had a fully fit 15 they would have beaten Monaghan but we'll never know. Tyrone will be in the All Ireland semi's
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
As an Armagh man I've no reason to praise Tyrone, as a GAA fan it's just my opinion.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2018, 11:13:26 AM
Tyrone will win this handy enough, I also believe the qualifiers will suit them and if they draw is kind to them and they get a bit of momentum up they will be hard to stop. Also a few weeks down the line and players come back from injury and the few players that are back get more sessions and games into their legs everything will pick up. I genuinely think if Tyrone had a fully fit 15 they would have beaten Monaghan but we'll never know. Tyrone will be in the All Ireland semi's
So much for our long standing non-aggression pact with Armagh.
12 pages on the Friday before a Tyrone match is very little, compared to last year.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Just on bonfires 😜
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 08, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Just on bonfires 😜
Believe it or not but there are a few Tyronies about the town and you get the odd flag here and there. I coach a minor team and one of the we hoors always wears his Tyrone top to training, there's a bit of cross breeding going on there. There's also a few hiding out in Warringstown too ;)
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 08, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Just on bonfires 😜
Believe it or not but there are a few Tyronies about the town and you get the odd flag here and there. I coach a minor team and one of the we hoors always wears his Tyrone top to training, there's a bit of cross breeding going on there. There's also a few hiding out in Warringstown too ;)
Clearly our agents need more training on the art of subtlety!!
Some hilarious posts in here the last few days.
From poor WD40 sorry WT4E being labelled a Fuzzball to CuteHoor Armagh men talking up Tyrone for a long summer.
From a very bored Galway man who will try anything for a rise to no Kerry men at all on the board any more.
Best of all was Jinxy thinking we see Meath as the aul enemy. I don't think Tyrone fans nowadays hold too much hatred over Meath any more as they taught us...blah blah blah.
With all the injuries we have and lack of natural forwards in the squad, I'm surprisingly happy enough with that team, considering no Bradley, Brennan, Mulgrew and RoN.
It shows how Mickey is not scared to drop the older lads now like McCarron and McCrory and give HP and McKernan their debuts. Naming Richie at FF excites me and I think he might play in there more than some would think. Sometimes a forced change can work out well in the long term.
My expectations since the Monaghan game have been HUGELY dampened and earlier this week I was thinking this could be the last game this year and huge pressure on Mickey to go again but I feel a lot more positive now.
Looking forward to seeing some of ye in Berminghams from 3.30pm onwards. I think I'll wear my new 1986 retro shirt that I bought from a young Monaghan gent a few weeks ago.
Monday headline
"Royals receive Red Hands Spanking where the Blackwater meets the Boyne"
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 08, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Just on bonfires 😜
Believe it or not but there are a few Tyronies about the town and you get the odd flag here and there. I coach a minor team and one of the we hoors always wears his Tyrone top to training, there's a bit of cross breeding going on there. There's also a few hiding out in Warringstown too ;)
Wait til I get to Lurgan in August (sale agreed) - I'll spread the gospel of St Peter.
Quote from: Rois on June 08, 2018, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on June 08, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Tyrone's answer to Syferus ::)
Had a laugh at that! You'll not see too many Tyrone flags around Lurgan (is that correct illdecide?)!!
Just on bonfires 😜
Believe it or not but there are a few Tyronies about the town and you get the odd flag here and there. I coach a minor team and one of the we hoors always wears his Tyrone top to training, there's a bit of cross breeding going on there. There's also a few hiding out in Warringstown too ;)
Wait til I get to Lurgan in August (sale agreed) - I'll spread the gospel of St Peter.
Hope you're on the right side of the town ;). Your offspring better be going to Francis Street (or i may have to have you relocated...lol).
Only messing Rois, you're welcome to the Borough
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 10:13:29 AM
Tyrone make 4 changes to their starting 15:
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 M McKernan
8 C Cavanagh
9 P McNulty
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
16 M O'Neill
17 R Brennan
18 M Cassidy
19 H Loughran
20 C McCann
21 D McClure
22 A McCrory
23 K McGeary
24 R McNabb
25 R O'Neill
26 R Sludden
The starting 15 isn't too bad but with the exception of Lee Brennan we dont have many attacking options to bring on. How long will Mulgrew be out for? Has Loughran much hope of making this team? I've never seem him play.
Jaysus lads when you look at that sub bench and compare it to our teams in the 00s and then compare it to Dublin now who could afford to leave two previous player of the years on the bench against us and D.Connolly we are a long way from Sam. I know people keep saying we just don't have the players to compete with the top 3 but is that because any good forwards we have don't want to play this style of football.
It's funny how the atmosphere of a championship year can change so much in 2 weeks.
2 weeks ago we left a wet and miserable Omagh thinking how poor we were and how Monaghan could actually go and give the super 8s a good rattle and have maybe passed us out with better forwards.
Here we are now for the 2nd bite of the cherry on a sunny summers Sat evening in gorgeous Navan with a tad more optimism again of at least getting to the last 8 and maybe a few more players standing up and making a name for themselves.
I'd love to see Richie show us what he's really capable of as he has shown in the past brief glimpses of some majestic scores as has Mulgrew.
Mickey O'Neill starts instead of Niall Morgan for Tyrone
Joey Wallace in for Bryan McMahon
Link for anyone unable to watch on Sky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODH7NyO2xRI&feature=youtu.be
McNulty is brutal in front of goals. Skeet slack enough in 2 occasions as well.
Hope Tyrone don't regret these.
Tyrone look like they could get a load of goals here. Every decent ball in is leading to a goal chance.
Meath goal leading a charmed life.
Tyrone getting cleaned around midfield.
Meath hanging around in the game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
no Kerry men at all on the board any more
Wake us not.
Tyrone were 1-3 up after 8 minutes.
They've scored 5 points in the next 40 minutes.
Mea(d)th lead.
Tyrone need to get the finger out.
Tyrone look like a disinterested team. Management lost the team?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 09, 2018, 06:23:45 PM
Tyrone look like a disinterested team. Management lost the team?
Seems to be a bit of a vibe of a side without any appetite for a run through the qualifiers off them.
Put together some collection of wides.
Meath miss a handy free that would have put them 2 up.
Shocking. Surely there are some forwards in Tyrone.
14 men now. Prob game over
No elbow there ffs. Body checked him.
Game still there to be won for Meath if they are good enough.
Jesus that's an appalling wide.
McNabb on when chasing game. Harte sure is a hard man to figure out.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 09, 2018, 06:30:59 PM
McNabb on when chasing game. Harte sure is a hard man to figure out.
Presume McNamee shook up after the smack he took a few mins earlier.
Meath 1 up with time up
Ref giving Tyrone time equalizer got shocking
Extra time.
Even if Tyrone win AET we'll be gone in the next round anyway.
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
Even if Tyrone win AET we'll be gone in the next round anyway.
So will Meath
Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2018, 06:37:25 PM
Ref giving Tyrone time equalizer got shocking
Of course be gave them time. Took a minute for Brennan to hit the Meath free (that was a joke in the first place) and then they committed two fouls while defending. No controversy whatsoever.
Not sure anybody wanted extra time here. Awful stuff altogether
Making up for not playing advantage to let them equalise 2 mins earlier.
Temporary reprieve from the Owen Roes man.
Tyrone missed some amount of chances Cantor blame manager for that.
Neither team have any real future in this years championship. Both very poor.
Quote from: Zulu on June 09, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
Neither team have any real future in this years championship. Both very poor.
Not usually defeatist but maybe better for us to be out out of our misery sooner rather than later.
Tyrone a few starters out playing a traditional team at home was always going to be tough.
Joe McMahon on co commentary. Sounds like they've taken a farmer out of the fields to help out. I'm waiting for him to start talking about cows and tractors.
If Tyrone somehow lose it from here, McShsne will have gone from hero to zero. Some absolutely daft efforts this half.
Sounds like the Meath fans are as classless as ever in defeat.
Ridiculous missing the first 20 mins of Wexford V Kilkenny for that rubbish.
Meath should have had a free in at the end there.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 09, 2018, 07:25:56 PM
Sounds like the Meath fans are as classless as ever in defeat.
Right, because noble, classy fans like the Dubs wouldn't be upset about not getting that blatant free at the end. ::)
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2018, 07:27:18 PM
Meath should have had a free in at the end there.
Considering he blew up for a free every other time somebody was touched during the game, not sure how he didn't see the foul I'm that one.
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2018, 07:27:18 PM
Meath should have had a free in at the end there.
Considering he blew up for a free every other time somebody was touched during the game, not sure how he didn't see the foul I'm that one.
He was probably tired and would get feck all extra expenses for more extra time!
Fair play to Meath. No shame bowing out playing like that.
Tyrone better team will get stronger as the injured lads come back. A game like this builds character.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 09, 2018, 07:50:39 PM
Tyrone better team will get stronger as the injured lads come back. A game like this builds character.
How quickly can the lads come back? It's a lot of matches in a short space of time to get to the super 8s.
Imagine they'll appeal the McCann red card. Nothing in it.
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2018, 07:27:18 PM
Meath should have had a free in at the end there.
Considering he blew up for a free every other time somebody was touched during the game, not sure how he didn't see the foul I'm that one.
It would have been incredibly soft, but in keeping with all the other incredibly soft ones he gave all day.
Lee Brennan was anonymous.
Wonder do people have unrealistic expectations of games. It was a hard fought contest till the very end with a good atmosphere and some fine scores.
From a Tyrone point of view, very fortunate. After a good start Meath looked more likely to win. After the late reprieve from McShane Tyrone were looking safe after a bit of magic from - ironically - Ronan O'Neil, before we again saw this ludicrous tactic of trying to defend a lead. Meath were beaten but Tyrone started messing about and wasting time rather than just keeping on and finishing them off. Meath should have had a free to level it, a position Tyrone should never have been in. Progress on the day but Tyrone are really going backwards.
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
That's strange if true, seeing as you'd see a load of them at many games.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 09, 2018, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
That's strange if true, seeing as you'd see a load of them at many games.
There is a video of it doing the rounds.
Well that was a tough old battle and nothing in it in the end. Fair play to the lads out there they really put it up to Tyrone. Went the way I thought it would except I didn't think we'd be so close to winning.
Tyrone looked like they could carve open our backs quite easily so the lads dealt with it as best they could as a team after a poor enough start.
Some will criticise Andy but I think for a limited panel that was as good a performance against one of the top 8 teams.
Once we tightened things up we got ourselves into a winning position which we really should have held onto but it's those kinds of mistakes, sloppy passing, sloppy tackling and running into tackles, when the chips are down and the games in the balance, those mistakes kill us. Hard to fathom why we were so flat at the start of extra time only to come alive once we went 4 down.
Ultimately we are still short of about 6 or 7 starting top quality players to make it back up. On top of that we need a much deeper squad in terms of talent. But Still there's a lot of young lads there.
McGill, Keoghan, James McEntee, Menton and Reilly are lads you can build something on. Joey Wallace, Flanagan, Ben Brennan, O'Sullivan and Lenihan did well but they just need a bit more finesse to their game to be top quality. O'Sullivan loses far too much ball in the tackle but he's a good scorer. I think he looks for frees too often.
The rest of the outfield lads just don't impose anything on the game.
Tough game that might stand to some of the young lads there. Hopefully we can hang onto the experiences lads a bit longer and get some more talent around them.
Hard to know what to make of Tyrone with all the injuries they have. They came through a tough contest but whether they come out stronger or mortally wounded we'll have to wait and see. Well done on the win though. Good to see even a weak Meath team run ye close. Till we meet again.
Well i must admit i was very surprised at that tonight. Felt tyrone would win easily but fair dues to meath. Always had the feeling about the game that it was similar to mayo in the qualifiers last year where they just kept doing enough
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 09, 2018, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
I didn't know GAA officials had to power to make arrests now.Can't think of any reason why they'd be arrested simply for carrying a national flag though. Has to be more to it than that.
https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824 (https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824)
Bit over the top that be some flags next day imo.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2018, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 09, 2018, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
I didn't know GAA officials had to power to make arrests now.Can't think of any reason why they'd be arrested simply for carrying a national flag though. Has to be more to it than that.
https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824 (https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824)
That is some load of shite. There was loads of room, if view was being obstructed its not like you couldnt move anywhere you wanted. You shouldnt have to move but when theres loads of room like there was who in their right mind would complain and stay put. If it was a tyrone or meath flag would there have been the same outcome
There was loads of room on the grass bank if your view was blocked they could have moved. Need better excuses than that.
I'd doubt thats the real story but if it is Jesus what's happened the gaa. Look at games from 15-20 years ago. Flags everywhere I remember as a child bringing 2 or 3 to a match. Now you're getting complained about because someone can't see. I counted four flags at the game in owenbeg today. Four.
By the way, Mickey Burke kicked a point from play against ye. That should surely outweigh any amount of scores Tyrone could possibly have got. Tyrone should gracefully drop out of the All Ireland now after that.
How many were arrested for chasing after the referee? Maybe if they chased the ref with a palestinian flag?
Fair play to you thejuice, excellent analysis of the game. I'm debating whether or flatness was some larger malaise within the camp or just a shite day at the office. STG and his crew of minions will be sniffing blood around Harte losing the team but some of our lads want to look at themselves with their wastefulness infront of the posts. Matty and Harry Loughran had two howlers that'd you wouldn't see in an u12 match!!
Anyway, these games are only about the result. We move on and refocus on the 23/24th.
Once again, well done to the Meath buckos. That was a 100% free with your last attack.
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
I'd doubt thats the real story but if it is Jesus what's happened the gaa. Look at games from 15-20 years ago. Flags everywhere I remember as a child bringing 2 or 3 to a match. Now you're getting complained about because someone can't see. I counted four flags at the game in owenbeg today. Four.
It's 100% I have a video of it and all
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 09, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
I'd doubt thats the real story but if it is Jesus what's happened the gaa. Look at games from 15-20 years ago. Flags everywhere I remember as a child bringing 2 or 3 to a match. Now you're getting complained about because someone can't see. I counted four flags at the game in owenbeg today. Four.
It's 100% I have a video of it and all
I don't mean I don't believe it happen, I'm doubting the gardai official response that someone complained about the flag that they couldn't see.
During the hurling before the football 4 guards approached another Tyrone fan on a different part of the terrace where he was obstructing no one and asked him to roll up his flag which he did. The first guard there was standing behind me for a couple of minutes before they moved in and he was clearly under orders from more senior officers over the radio. He didn't appear too keen on having to get involved
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 29, 2018, 10:48:28 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 29, 2018, 10:28:38 PM
I think of all the provincial championships Leinster is the most fcuked. The all Ireland is pretty much going the same way though. However with the population explosions in Kildare and Meath does the extensive funding for Dublins coaching and development stop at the border of these counties. If so how can that be justified as these counties are highly populated also and need more resources than before.
Because that in itself would be a major part of the problem. All kids need access to the best coaching for our games throughout the island and if centrally funded it should go beyond the needs of the Dubs.
Obviously there are other factors as well but from the sound of it new clubs need to be created in Kildare and Meath in areas of high density population. Just the same as Dublin did.
The management of the Leinster GAA situation is obviously lacking in wit never mind resources, not just the individual counties.
Leixlip and Confey needed to amalgamate at minor level last season, I imagine it is a different story 5 minutes up the road in Lucan.
Not sure what Lucan has to with a Tyrone/Meath thread. I surely invested their resources in underage structures and not invest everything into senior team like Leixlip did in the noughties.
Last 6 games between these two have resulted in 5 Tyrone wins and a draw.Changed times indeed!
Surprised by the number of "if your view is blocked, move" comments. If I pay my money in and some gobshite has a flag up permanently that's obstructing my view, I'll be telling him to take it down pretty swiftly.
Also don't see any reason to disbelieve the statement from the gardai. He was arrested for being an abusive p***k, not for having a flag.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Surprised by the number of "if your view is blocked, move" comments. If I pay my money in and some gobshite has a flag up permanently that's obstructing my view, I'll be telling him to take it down pretty swiftly.
Also don't see any reason to disbelieve the statement from the gardai. He was arrested for being an abusive p***k, not for having a flag.
Yeah and why were the two Gestapo stood either side of Palestine flag waving buck ?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Tyrone recover from this less than convincing and lucky win to reach another All Ireland semi final.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Surprised by the number of "if your view is blocked, move" comments. If I pay my money in and some gobshite has a flag up permanently that's obstructing my view, I'll be telling him to take it down pretty swiftly.
Also don't see any reason to disbelieve the statement from the gardai. He was arrested for being an abusive p***k, not for having a flag.
You weren't there, so your "permanent" comment is pure rot.
The flags were momentarily raised, only, when there was an expectation of Murdoch's cameras being obliged to carry a meagre message of solidarity from these shores to those afflicted souls subjected to the murderous jackboot of the minions of Netanyahu, though it seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
Fair comments
thejuice, QED from here for us, a curate's egg doesn't quite cut it ;)
https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1005527501161025536?s=19
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Surprised by the number of "if your view is blocked, move" comments. If I pay my money in and some gobshite has a flag up permanently that's obstructing my view, I'll be telling him to take it down pretty swiftly.
Also don't see any reason to disbelieve the statement from the gardai. He was arrested for being an abusive p***k, not for having a flag.
I witnessed both incidents today and I was told on both occasions by the Gardai that they were "committing incitement to hatred" by flying the Palestinian flag. As I had a Palestinian shirt on I asked why I wasn't been arrested. I was informed it was just Palestinian flags.
Maybe you witnessed something different from me today when you say "He was arrested for being an abusive p***k, not for having a flag."
And what would be so wrong in showing solidarity to these lads in Gaza playing football in Dublin and Meath jerseys at a time when the world has forgotten them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbDAj0QcnPs
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34774657_2017227198310582_3952062334062559232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fdbe5c0d57276518d67346feba240dcb&oe=5BC0D942)
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2018, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 09, 2018, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
What's the story with the man getting arrested for having the Palestine flag. What's the basis for arrest? Shocking from the GAA unless there's something else went on.
I didn't know GAA officials had to power to make arrests now.Can't think of any reason why they'd be arrested simply for carrying a national flag though. Has to be more to it than that.
https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824 (https://twitter.com/gavinocal/status/1005545159944269824)
Filed under "get that flag down" rather than politics
Hard luck to Meath, unlucky not to win in normal time and nearly came from the dead in ET. I thought throughout that they found it a little harder to get frees than Tyrone, maybe because Tyrone judged the ref better. But the non-free at the end was a poor decision, especially as he'd been consistently giving frees for that type of challenge. Would have been a tough one to land of course
Quote from: Hound on June 10, 2018, 09:08:07 AM
Hard luck to Meath, unlucky not to win in normal time and nearly came from the dead in ET. I thought throughout that they found it a little harder to get frees than Tyrone, maybe because Tyrone judged the ref better. But the non-free at the end was a poor decision, especially as he'd been consistently giving frees for that type of challenge. Would have been a tough one to land of course
Neilan is just a poor referee. His record over the last 18 months is very poor when it comes to consistency.
If Tyrone are to progress to the last 8 that was the perfect game to build momentum. Reminded me of Mayo last year v Derry.
Badly need forwards who know how to score though. McAliskey single-handedly drove us on until a few misses and the doubts reappeared in his game. Some of the wides from other players were like something you'd see from an Armagh or Derry player.
That game will stand to Colm Cavanagh...he actually improved as the game progressed. Sludden a well marked man this year.
I'm nearly certain I remember Neilan being admonished for his interpretation of the advantage rule on previous occasions. He was brutal in this regard yesterday and must be so frustrating to play a game when this is present.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2018, 09:48:49 AM
I'm nearly certain I remember Neilan being admonished for his interpretation of the advantage rule on previous occasions. He was brutal in this regard yesterday and must be so frustrating to play a game when this is present.
he was awful in the tipp armagh qualifier last year for both teams. I didnt think he was too bad yesterday but the non free at the end was a shocking call, i know this is wrong way to think but if it was a free to win the game i could understand not giving it but when it was a chance to level it up. similar to tyrone getting one last attack to level it up and they did so 45 secs or so over the allotted time, that time was deservedly put on top of the added time but if the game had been level it would have blown up straight at the time given
armagh disallowed goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4kJCEHDjTY
tipp 3 points down in injury time given no advantage aswell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwRfSavCBQ
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2018, 09:48:49 AM
I'm nearly certain I remember Neilan being admonished for his interpretation of the advantage rule on previous occasions. He was brutal in this regard yesterday and must be so frustrating to play a game when this is present.
Not to mention his own unique interpretation of the black card rule.
As someone said earlier Tyrone may have found it easier to get frees but to me that was because Meath were so bloody obvious with their fouling. In extra time they weren't even pretending to try and tackle properly.
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
If Tyrone are to progress to the last 8 that was the perfect game to build momentum. Reminded me of Mayo last year v Derry.
Badly need forwards who know how to score though. McAliskey single-handedly drove us on until a few misses and the doubts reappeared in his game. Some of the wides from other players were like something you'd see from an Armagh or Derry player.
That game will stand to Colm Cavanagh...he actually improved as the game progressed. Sludden a well marked man this year.
"Some of the wides from other players were like something you'd see from an Armagh or Derry player. "
Priceless
Tyrone of course have world class forwards
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
If Tyrone are to progress to the last 8 that was the perfect game to build momentum. Reminded me of Mayo last year v Derry.
Badly need forwards who know how to score though. McAliskey single-handedly drove us on until a few misses and the doubts reappeared in his game. Some of the wides from other players were like something you'd see from an Armagh or Derry player.
That game will stand to Colm Cavanagh...he actually improved as the game progressed. Sludden a well marked man this year.
"Some of the wides from other players were like something you'd see from an Armagh or Derry player. "
Priceless
Tyrone of course have world class forwards
Don't think you've read too many of O'Neill's posts...
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
Tyrone of course have world class forwards
Dunno about that. Some of them Brazilian gaels are pure lethal.
Quote from: give her dixie on June 10, 2018, 02:16:47 AM
And what would be so wrong in showing solidarity to these lads in Gaza playing football in Dublin and Meath jerseys at a time when the world has forgotten them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbDAj0QcnPs
Where did I say there was anything wrong with showing solidarity? Absolute whataboutery. No surprise from you though.
That is completely unrelated with me wanting to go to a dirndl match to watch football. Your desire to make a political statement is second to that. If you block my view repeatedly during play, you'll be told to cop the f**k on pretty quickly.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
So the Gardaí should be on hand, like yesterday, to remove anyone with any flag at a football match if they happen to be obstructing someone's view? Seems a bit draconian to me.
If you go to a dirndl match to why are you expecting to see football?
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
So the Gardaí should be on hand, like yesterday, to remove anyone with any flag at a football match if they happen to be obstructing someone's view? Seems a bit draconian to me.
If a complaint is made, as per the statement from the Gardai, then yes, of course they should respond.
If they're inexplicably there to keep watch over anyone with a Palestinian flag because of some dodgy communication between them/sky/the GAA, then it's undoubtedly quite sinister and worrying.
It is unclear which of the two above scenarios was at play yesterday. I'm certainly skeptical of GHD's account of being told he was inciting racial hatred, especially given how he twisted my desire to watch a football match unimpeded into me having an issue with lads showing solidarity with Palestine.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
So the Gardaí should be on hand, like yesterday, to remove anyone with any flag at a football match if they happen to be obstructing someone's view? Seems a bit draconian to me.
If a complaint is made, as per the statement from the Gardai, then yes, of course they should respond.
If they're inexplicably there to keep watch over anyone with a Palestinian flag because of some dodgy communication between them/sky/the GAA, then it's undoubtedly quite sinister and worrying.
It is unclear which of the two above scenarios was at play yesterday. I'm certainly skeptical of GHD's account of being told he was inciting racial hatred, especially given how he twisted my desire to watch a football match unimpeded into me having an issue with lads showing solidarity with Palestine.
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
Amyway, the GAA cannot allow itself to be used as a platform for any political cause, no matter how worthy. If members don't understand that, there's no use in discussing it with them. It is worrying, though, that the guards may have a particular attitude to supporters of a particular cause.
Quote from: tippabu on June 10, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2018, 09:48:49 AM
I'm nearly certain I remember Neilan being admonished for his interpretation of the advantage rule on previous occasions. He was brutal in this regard yesterday and must be so frustrating to play a game when this is present.
he was awful in the tipp armagh qualifier last year for both teams. I didnt think he was too bad yesterday but the non free at the end was a shocking call, i know this is wrong way to think but if it was a free to win the game i could understand not giving it but when it was a chance to level it up. similar to tyrone getting one last attack to level it up and they did so 45 secs or so over the allotted time, that time was deservedly put on top of the added time but if the game had been level it would have blown up straight at the time given
armagh disallowed goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4kJCEHDjTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4kJCEHDjTY)
tipp 3 points down in injury time given no advantage aswell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwRfSavCBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwRfSavCBQ)
If you were to suggest that in any other sport you'd be laughed out of the conversation. Unfortunately, you may be spot on – I do think GAA referees actually think this way!
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
If, and I mean if, the statement from the Gardai is an accurate representation of the events, then the individual in question was arrested after becoming abusive. I don't find that too much of an escalation.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
If, and I mean if, the statement from the Gardai is an accurate representation of the events, then the individual in question was arrested after becoming abusive. I don't find that too much of an escalation.
So you are suggesting that the fact it was a Palestinian flag was completely coincidental? Really? How big was this flag? There's people with flags at every single championship game I have ever attended over the course of nearly 40 years and I have never once seen a person be approached by a member of the Gardaí about waving their flag, nevermind being frogmarched out of the ground. They'll be busy on the Hill on All Ireland final day if this is the new policy.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
If, and I mean if, the statement from the Gardai is an accurate representation of the events, then the individual in question was arrested after becoming abusive. I don't find that too much of an escalation.
I was referring to FOSB's escalation of your objection to having your view obstructed to support for genocide.
One thing that really annoys me aswell, the McCann sending off, Tyrone broke up the pitch nothing came of it but it wasn't until a break in play that it was dealt with (I think it was a Meath attack McCann actually stopped). Don't think the ref saw it from memory and it was the linesman but should play not have been stopped straight away? What if McCann broke up the pitch and scored a goal after an incident where he should have been sent off. I'm not talking whether it was or wasn't a sending off just how it's dealt with.
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
If, and I mean if, the statement from the Gardai is an accurate representation of the events, then the individual in question was arrested after becoming abusive. I don't find that too much of an escalation.
I was referring to FOSB's escalation of your objection to having your view obstructed to support for genocide.
Oh, well of course I agree on that front. :). Strangely not that difficult to picture plenty on this forum making the same leap.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I thought that was a major escalation of the issue, to be fair.
If, and I mean if, the statement from the Gardai is an accurate representation of the events, then the individual in question was arrested after becoming abusive. I don't find that too much of an escalation.
So you are suggesting that the fact it was a Palestinian flag was completely coincidental? Really? How big was this flag? There's people with flags at every single championship game I have ever attended over the course of nearly 40 years and I have never once seen a person be approached by a member of the Gardaí about waving their flag, nevermind being frogmarched out of the ground. They'll be busy on the Hill on All Ireland final day if this is the new policy.
Of course it's not coincidental. There was a massive Palestinian flag. The idea that it was obstructing someone's view and they subsequently objected is not beyond the realms of possibility. Did you read the opening word of my post where I said "If"?!
Frank Burns was very impressive for Tyrone, his 2 second half points really helped Tyrone when they looked to be struggling badly for scores.
Quote from: ardtole on June 10, 2018, 12:18:35 PM
Frank Burns was very impressive for Tyrone, his 2 second half points really helped Tyrone when they looked to be struggling badly for scores.
Was good against Monaghan too. Have been very impressed with him.
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2018, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
Tyrone of course have world class forwards
Dunno about that. Some of them Brazilian gaels are pure lethal.
Using the global definition, how many of the current forwards could hit Clerys window with a brick ?
How many BELIEVE they can ?
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2018, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
Tyrone of course have world class forwards
Dunno about that. Some of them Brazilian gaels are pure lethal.
Using the global definition, how many of the current forwards could hit Clerys window with a brick ?
How many BELIEVE they can ?
For a 20minute spell in the second half none of them.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
The flags were being hoist on the banking behind the goals at the Trim end, so all those poor Meath snowflakes :P had to do was to, literally, slide along laterally for a metre or two if the fleeting flag waving was proving to be an insuperable obstruction.
Jeez, some folk have little to be complaining about, seriously :-\
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
The flags were being hoist on the banking behind the goals at the Trim end, so all those poor Meath snowflakes :P had to do was to, literally, slide along laterally for a metre or two if the fleeting flag waving was proving to be an insuperable obstruction.
Jeez, some folk have little to be complaining about, seriously :-\
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
There were echoes of the old Meath there yesterday as they rose from exhaustion and certain defeat to claw back a deficit, point by point.
I though the ref was poor all game, poor decisions, interfering with a persistence, unnecessarily taking momentum out of a game which was being played in good spirit.
That was a definite foul at the end, but I have to say it was an artful foul.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
The flags were being hoist on the banking behind the goals at the Trim end, so all those poor Meath snowflakes :P had to do was to, literally, slide along laterally for a metre or two if the fleeting flag waving was proving to be an insuperable obstruction.
Jeez, some folk have little to be complaining about, seriously :-\
The man arrested was on the terrace.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
Yes, and for the most part they hoist those flags completely unobtrusively, in no one's line of sight.
Like I said, little to be complaining about.
Re the lad being arrested on the terrace -- different issue, and know nothing of the particulars there.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that those blue shirts stepped in and felt it necessary to "remove" said gentleman from the game. He was flying a flag and has a right to do so, also has a right to defend himself. Pretty sure we can all take "abusive" with a pinch of salt. Don't see too many free staters getting arrested either, lets not forget this is the same bunch who sold out the 6 counties, then ridiculed and prosecuted the actions of those to tried to fight for their rights. Same old yes man mentality, different century. Take it down from the mast Irish traitors!
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Don't get your smugness on it. You've just admitted you have absolutely zero knowledge of the incident in question yet saw fit to accuse me of supporting the Israeli genocide in Palestine because I like to watch football matches unimpeded.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
Yes, and for the most part they hoist those flags completely unobtrusively, in no one's line of sight.
Like I said, little to be complaining about.
Re the lad being arrested on the terrace -- different issue, and know nothing of the particulars there.
That's the incident everyone is talking about.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Don't get your smugness on it. You've just admitted you have absolutely zero knowledge of the occurrent in question yet saw fit to accuse me of supporting the Israeli genocide in Palestine because I like to watch football matches unimpeded.
Smug? Get a grip, just a reaction to Hardy's contribution.
Zero knowledge of the terrace incident yes, but not zero knowledge of what occurred on the banking.
And any accusations of supporting genocide was certainly OTT, and fully retracted, with apologies.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Don't get your smugness on it. You've just admitted you have absolutely zero knowledge of the occurrent in question yet saw fit to accuse me of supporting the Israeli genocide in Palestine because I like to watch football matches unimpeded.
Just out of interest, how many times have you complained to the Gardaí because of flags interfering with your ability to watch matches? Or do you know of anyone who has ever complained to the authorities because their view of a game was impeded? This whole idea of this being about somebody complaining because their view of the match was impeded is farcical. Had that guy been waving a Tyrone flag would he have been removed from the ground or even accosted about his flag in the first place?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AMit seems you're just dandy with medics and kids being systematically taken out with the latest US 'precision' hardware! And those whinging whiners behind only had to get off their fat arses and shift a metre or two to the left or right to relieve their soft discomfort.
No, I'm not.
Do you or GHD not get how bad your hypocrisy is?!
I state that I would hypothetically not want to have my view of a football match obstructed. Whether it's a Palestinian flag or an Israeli flag or or a Tyrone flag is irrelevant. Get accused of endorsing genocide. Embarrassing stuff lads.
The flags were being hoist on the banking behind the goals at the Trim end, so all those poor Meath snowflakes :P had to do was to, literally, slide along laterally for a metre or two if the fleeting flag waving was proving to be an insuperable obstruction.
Jeez, some folk have little to be complaining about, seriously :-\
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
So should it be compromised for county flags? Or Japan flags or confederate flags?
The number of flags in general at games has decreased massively in recent years.
Wouldn't bother me at all if they were gone altogether, i.e. blanket ban.
It's a pain in the arse being stuck behind one.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
The number of flags in general at games has decreased massively in recent years.
Wouldn't bother me at all if they were gone altogether, i.e. blanket ban.
It's a pain in the arse being stuck behind one.
How likely are you to phone the Gardaí about it?
Not likely at all.
However, if the argument is 'what about flag x, y or z?', my solution would be to ban them altogether.
I've never brought a flag to a game in my life.
I've never even gone to a game with someone who has brought a flag.
Fcuk we love flags.
Ye love flegs. ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
Not likely at all.
However, if the argument is 'what about flag x, y or z?', my solution would be to ban them altogether.
I've never brought a flag to a game in my life.
I've never even gone to a game with someone who has brought a flag.
I find that quite astonishing, but would agree, either ban completely or be totally non-discriminatory about what's being flown, within reason, ie, no KKK flags or the offensive like.
I dunno.
I've always associated flags at games with kids or slightly eccentric older people.
Plus, I watch games with my arms folded and no emotion at all on my face (emotion=weakness).
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
I dunno.
I've always associated flags at games with kids or slightly eccentric older people.
Plus, I watch games with my arms folded and no emotion at all on my face (emotion=weakness).
Compare and contrast with, say, the Dubs and their riotous assembly of flegs on Hill 16... ;)
What the Jackeens do in their stadium is their business.
:)
On a rather more sombre note, Fuzzman and I were chatting to a trio of young men in Ryans after the game, from Dublin, Laois, and Meath, respectively, and it painted a fairly depressing picture of Leinster, and wider football, in general.
Have the GAA created such a monster in Dublin, that it will end up devouring the sport itself, due to the relative and predictable invincibility of the Dubs, resulting in plummeting attendances to the point of non-viability, such is their dominance?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
:)
On a rather more sombre note, Fuzzman and I were chatting to a trio of young men in Ryans after the game, from Dublin, Laois, and Meath, respectively, and it painted a fairly depressing picture of Leinster, and wider football, in general.
Have the GAA created such a monster in Dublin, that it will end up devouring the sport itself, due to the relative and predictable invincibility of the Dubs, resulting in plummeting attendances to the point of non-viability, such is their dominance?
Yes
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Don't get your smugness on it. You've just admitted you have absolutely zero knowledge of the occurrent in question yet saw fit to accuse me of supporting the Israeli genocide in Palestine because I like to watch football matches unimpeded.
Just out of interest, how many times have you complained to the Gardaí because of flags interfering with your ability to watch matches? Or do you know of anyone who has ever complained to the authorities because their view of a game was impeded? This whole idea of this being about somebody complaining because their view of the match was impeded is farcical. Had that guy been waving a Tyrone flag would he have been removed from the ground or even accosted about his flag in the first place?
If I asked someone to take a flag down all I could watch a game and they refused, then I'd absolutely complain to the Gardai. Thankfully I've never come across that kind of twat, with the exception of a langer women who gave it large to me sheet I repeatedly had to ask her to sit down and let us watch the match at the 2013 hurling final when Cork went a point up at the end (making O'Donovan's equaliser all the more enjoyable).
The suggestion here is that the individual involved refused to take the flag down when requested, thus valuing their desire to make a political statement (whether or not it's one you agree with is irrelevant) more than the right of the other spectators to view the match they paid to come and see. If (and again I stress, for your benefit, if) that's the case, then it's absolutely right that he was asked to take it down by the guards.
I know this is a thread about flags but anyone have any thoughts about the little bit of football that went on between the main flag events.
Quote from: thejuice on June 10, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
I know this is a thread about flags but anyone have any thoughts about the little bit of football that went on between the main flag events.
Not a whole lot. We're not at the races. We don't even know where to get the bus to the races. Tyrone were awful but still we let them beat us. And the least we could have done was lose with a bit of dignity, but our manager had to make an ape of himself.
We can only wait and hope that the work being done with the youngsters will bear fruit in time.
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 10, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
I know this is a thread about flags but anyone have any thoughts about the little bit of football that went on between the main flag events.
Not a whole lot. We're not at the races. We don't even know where to get the bus to the races. Tyrone were awful but still we let them beat us. And the least we could have done was lose with a bit of dignity, but our manager had to make an ape of himself.
We can only wait and hope that the work being done with the youngsters will bear fruit in time.
What did your manager do?
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Not a whole lot. We're not at the races. We don't even know where to get the bus to the races. Tyrone were awful but still we let them beat us. And the least we could have done was lose with a bit of dignity, but our manager had to make an ape of himself.
Yep, we only managed to convert 2 of our 7 clear cut goal chances over the 90 minutes (against Meath's 0 from 0), must try harder, granted, must try feckin harder...
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
Yes, and for the most part they hoist those flags completely unobtrusively, in no one's line of sight.
Like I said, little to be complaining about.
A supporter will raise the flag after a score or when the band is parading around, in sync with the game.
A political publicist will raise their banner whenever the camera comes that way and f
ú
ck everyone else.
You can see it on the highlights there, these people were flying the flag before the score when people want to see whether the ball went over or not.
You may say it is a small thing, but in my opinion the prime viewing positions should be for people wanting to watch the game, not those promoting their own agenda.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Watching games is the function of a stadium, this should not be compromised for political showboating, this can take place at the back of the stand or the corner where it is not blocking anyone.
Yes, and for the most part they hoist those flags completely unobtrusively, in no one's line of sight.
Like I said, little to be complaining about.
A supporter will raise the flag after a score or when the band is parading around, in sync with the game.
A political publicist will raise their banner whenever the camera comes that way and f ú ck everyone else.
You can see it on the highlights there, these people were flying the flag before the score when people want to see whether the ball went over or not.
You may say it is a small thing, but in my opinion the prime viewing positions should be for people wanting to watch the game, not those promoting their own agenda.
This is a rather Utopian perspective, and not one that I personally subscribe to; this idea, that no one in this world needs their cause publicised despite measures to have it silenced. No apologies for highlighting the desperate plight of those desperately afflicted, and as I say, little discomfort for those that would rather not contemplate the horror of it all.
Quote from: OffTheDeck on June 10, 2018, 01:13:57 PM
I think it's an absolute disgrace that those blue shirts stepped in and felt it necessary to "remove" said gentleman from the game. He was flying a flag and has a right to do so, also has a right to defend himself. Pretty sure we can all take "abusive" with a pinch of salt. Don't see too many free staters getting arrested either, lets not forget this is the same bunch who sold out the 6 counties, then ridiculed and prosecuted the actions of those to tried to fight for their rights. Same old yes man mentality, different century. Take it down from the mast Irish traitors!
Spoken like a true shinner cultist.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
Have the GAA created such a monster in Dublin, that it will end up devouring the sport itself, due to the relative and predictable invincibility of the Dubs, resulting in plummeting attendances to the point of non-viability, such is their dominance?
Afraid so.
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 10, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
Have the GAA created such a monster in Dublin, that it will end up devouring the sport itself, due to the relative and predictable invincibility of the Dubs, resulting in plummeting attendances to the point of non-viability, such is their dominance?
Afraid so.
The Dubs created it. Excellence. It will pass as the Kilkenny era passed and Kerry golden years.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
This is the sort of insightful, nuanced analysis that keep me coming back to the board.
:D ;D
Don't get your smugness on it. You've just admitted you have absolutely zero knowledge of the occurrent in question yet saw fit to accuse me of supporting the Israeli genocide in Palestine because I like to watch football matches unimpeded.
Just out of interest, how many times have you complained to the Gardaí because of flags interfering with your ability to watch matches? Or do you know of anyone who has ever complained to the authorities because their view of a game was impeded? This whole idea of this being about somebody complaining because their view of the match was impeded is farcical. Had that guy been waving a Tyrone flag would he have been removed from the ground or even accosted about his flag in the first place?
If I asked someone to take a flag down all I could watch a game and they refused, then I'd absolutely complain to the Gardai. Thankfully I've never come across that kind of twat, with the exception of a langer women who gave it large to me sheet I repeatedly had to ask her to sit down and let us watch the match at the 2013 hurling final when Cork went a point up at the end (making O'Donovan's equaliser all the more enjoyable).
The suggestion here is that the individual involved refused to take the flag down when requested, thus valuing their desire to make a political statement (whether or not it's one you agree with is irrelevant) more than the right of the other spectators to view the match they paid to come and see. If (and again I stress, for your benefit, if) that's the case, then it's absolutely right that he was asked to take it down by the guards.
Would it not be stewards you complain to?
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
What??
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 10, 2018, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 10, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
I know this is a thread about flags but anyone have any thoughts about the little bit of football that went on between the main flag events.
Not a whole lot. We're not at the races. We don't even know where to get the bus to the races. Tyrone were awful but still we let them beat us. And the least we could have done was lose with a bit of dignity, but our manager had to make an ape of himself.
We can only wait and hope that the work being done with the youngsters will bear fruit in time.
What did your manager do?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mcentee-irate-with-late-call-36993811.html
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 10, 2018, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 10, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
I know this is a thread about flags but anyone have any thoughts about the little bit of football that went on between the main flag events.
Not a whole lot. We're not at the races. We don't even know where to get the bus to the races. Tyrone were awful but still we let them beat us. And the least we could have done was lose with a bit of dignity, but our manager had to make an ape of himself.
We can only wait and hope that the work being done with the youngsters will bear fruit in time.
What did your manager do?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mcentee-irate-with-late-call-36993811.html
Just saw it on the Sunday game. Didn't look good
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 10, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
If this is actually true, then it's nakedly discriminatory, and ripe for a legal challenge I should imagine.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 10, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
If this is actually true, then it's nakedly discriminatory, and ripe for a legal challenge I should imagine.
A garda statement said he was asked to lower it as spectators complained their view was blocked. He then became abusive towards the guards and that's why he was arrested.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 10, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 10, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
If this is actually true, then it's nakedly discriminatory, and ripe for a legal challenge I should imagine.
A garda statement said he was asked to lower it as spectators complained their view was blocked. He then became abusive towards the guards and that's why he was arrested.
That is an answer to a different question, from that which I've posed herein.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 10, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 10, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
If this is actually true, then it's nakedly discriminatory, and ripe for a legal challenge I should imagine.
A garda statement said he was asked to lower it as spectators complained their view was blocked. He then became abusive towards the guards and that's why he was arrested.
View of what blocked? Was a few cones on the field, didn't seem to be anything else. Hard to hear any abuse. Did SKY TV drive this?
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 10, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 10, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I believe that the GAA has an "official" policy on the flying of the Palestinian flag which led to yesterday's events.
If this is actually true, then it's nakedly discriminatory, and ripe for a legal challenge I should imagine.
A garda statement said he was asked to lower it as spectators complained their view was blocked. He then became abusive towards the guards and that's why he was arrested.
So according to the Gardaí, it was irrelevant that the flag was Palestinian then? Do the guards really spend their time responding to calls that a spectators view is blocked at sports events?
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
You have no idea the amount of protests and delegations from Tyrone that have gone to support Palestine.
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
When you have something to say, and not just about other counties, that has a ring of truth about it, I might then take notice.
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
There's a great irony in you following up this particular post with a comment about people doing things to try and draw attention to themselves.
Quote from: longballin on June 10, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
You have no idea the amount of protests and delegations from Tyrone that have gone to support Palestine.
And the tide is slowly turning thanks to the action of decent people all over the world.
The decision of the Argentinian team not to play was a big blow for Israel
An Argentine government official told the NY Times that "(Argentine president Mauricio) Macri apologized to (Benjamin) Netanyahu but said if the players don't want to go there was nothing he could do."
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
When you have something to say, and not just about other counties, that has a ring of truth about it, I might then take notice.
You've fairly rattled yourself in this thread already without trying to make it worse.
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
So the Dunnes Stores strikers were motivated by vanity, Syf? Is that it?
Messi made a stand to draw attention to himself, did he?
Do you ever read what you post ?
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
You know where I am ,fook the internet have a chat with me about how ya feel.
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
It's called solidarity
Michael Glavey would have recognised it
Dermot Earley understood Israeli tactics very well.
It's pretty damn clear it's being used to draw attention to themselves more than it has anything to do with any concern or understanding of what is happening in Palestine. Not like you to be disingenuous..
When you have something to say, and not just about other counties, that has a ring of truth about it, I might then take notice.
You've fairly rattled yourself in this thread already without trying to make it worse.
Is that a fact now, really.
The game: the good, the bad, the ugly of Tyrone. Brilliant going forward in the first 15-20 mins. Psychological weakness manifests itself after a couple of wides and a Tiernan McCann missed pass. Don't see what p mcnulty offers as a starter. Thought whole team looked leggier than Meath. Who is the leader? Stirling Meath performance. Some dodgy decisions for both sides and the obligatory bumbling umpires but I believe Meath just shaded this. Unless Tyrone pull it out of the bag this year, they need a new motivator.
The fleg: very unusual for garda to do this. Air of 'teach them Northern troublemakers a lesson' about it. Shameful and sad.
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
Quote from: longballin on June 10, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
d
Remember years ago Youth Defense hired a gang of bouncers from Leeson Street to carry signs when they were marching down O Connell St.....it was fvckin comical
Thtats what Id do if I was the Israeli ambassador......hire a few dozen of them to go in along with their security detail flying the Israeli flag
Quote from: Syferus on June 10, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
People from the north using the Palestinian flag as a prop is probably one of their more ill-advised choices. The people in Gaza would love to have their cushy lifes and political situation.
Mmm hmm. And when the free staters use it as a prop is it any different? Or is this just your grudge against the north manifesting itself again?
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
Non sequiturs, much? There's no formal organisation about this form of solidarity with the beleaguered here, it's simply a grassroots' expression of empathy with those who could be doing with as much international support as they can. The flag bearers are not Palestinian, they're Irish, who will avail of any opportunity to demonstrate that support.
Too easy to say there's no place for these types, etc., though I'm glad the Choctaw Native Americans avoided such an attitude during our darkest famine times.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 10:59:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
Non sequiturs, much? There's no formal organisation about this form of solidarity with the beleaguered here, it's simply a grassroots' expression of empathy with those who could be doing with as much international support as they can. The flag bearers are not Palestinian, they're Irish, who will avail of any opportunity to demonstrate that support.
Too easy to say there's no place for these types, etc., though I'm glad the Choctaw Native Americans avoided such an attitude during our darkest famine times.
So if another group who felt solidarity with the Israelis showed up with Israeli flags, youd be fine with that?
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
I think you are forgetting what the GAA was founded on. There is a misconception that the support of the continuously slaughtered Palestinian people is a politically motivated stance. I have no issue with people supporting human rights at big sporting ocassions.
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
So if another group who felt solidarity with the Israelis showed up with Israeli flags, youd be fine with that?
Anyone, or any group of fans, are free to show up with any flags they want (bar obviously offensive flags) -- let them come, if you can find any. Scraping the barrel here methinks.
I have massive sympathy for the Palestinian people but I also wondered about the hypothetical scenario whereby someone brought an Israeli flag and stood beside the boys with the Palestinian flag.
What happens then?
That said, if it was up to me, I'd let people wave their Palestinian flags.
Ultimately, it's a small number of fans countrywide.
By dealing with the issue in such a heavy-handed way, they've made a rod for their own back.
Was there any on the Hill today as a matter of interest?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2018, 11:11:48 PM
I have massive sympathy for the Palestinian people but I also wondered about the hypothetical scenario whereby someone brought an Israeli flag and stood beside the boys with the Palestinian flag.
What happens then?
That said, if it was up to me, I'd let people wave their Palestinian flags.
Ultimately, it's a small number of fans countrywide.
By dealing with the issue in such a heavy-handed way, they've made a rod for their own back.
Was there any on the Hill today as a matter of interest?
Yes, at least the one, maybe more.
Ulster GAA confirms Palestinian flag not allowed in grounds
A spokesman for the Ulster Council last night said: "There is no flag allowed other than the official (GAA) flag, national flag and team colours.
"The display and possession of flag poles is contrary to ground regulations."
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/22/news/ulster-gaa-confirms-palestinian-flag-not-allowed-in-grounds-1335396/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/22/news/ulster-gaa-confirms-palestinian-flag-not-allowed-in-grounds-1335396/)
Has any other provincial council said anything about this?
Has Croke Park?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
So if another group who felt solidarity with the Israelis showed up with Israeli flags, youd be fine with that?
Anyone, or any group of fans, are free to show up with any flags they want (bar obviously offensive flags) -- let them come, if you can find any. Scraping the barrel here methinks.
Its a hypothetical and yes its highly unlikely to happen, but lets just say for arguments sake Willie Fraser and a gang of followers decided to counter demonstrate with Israeli flags. Should they be afforded the same accomadation as the fellas with the Palestinian flags?
Really Dixie, sharing content from the IRSP?!
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
So if another group who felt solidarity with the Israelis showed up with Israeli flags, youd be fine with that?
Anyone, or any group of fans, are free to show up with any flags they want (bar obviously offensive flags) -- let them come, if you can find any. Scraping the barrel here methinks.
Its a hypothetical and yes its highly unlikely to happen, but lets just say for arguments sake Willie Fraser and a gang of followers decided to counter demonstrate with Israeli flags. Should they be afforded the same accomadation as the fellas with the Palestinian flags?
Willie Frazer, or whoever, is free to attend whatever games he wants, with whatever flags he wants (bar obviously offensive flegs) -- that's the whole point here. Do you think he'd voluntarily subject himself to the gaelic occasion of a game to make a point on behalf of the Israelis?
I think, in the midst of all this, we're actually forgetting about what the GAA is all about and why it was founded in 1884 in the first instance. Suffice it to say it did not come about to bolster any establishment, but rather to challenge it, and Palestinian solidarity is simply in keeping with that fundamental tradition. Israeli flags not so much.
I've seen the odd 'Liverpool Premier League Champions' flag down the years which never fails to give everyone nearby a good laugh. ;D
Quote from: Whishtup on June 10, 2018, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
I think you are forgetting what the GAA was founded on. There is a misconception that the support of the continuously slaughtered Palestinian people is a politically motivated stance. I have no issue with people supporting human rights at big sporting ocassions.
But thats just an opinion youre sharing about the Palestinians. Theres lots of people all (and Im not saying I agree with them) who think that the Palestinians draw a lot of their woes down on top of themselves and that they are the aggressors
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on June 10, 2018, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
I think you are forgetting what the GAA was founded on. There is a misconception that the support of the continuously slaughtered Palestinian people is a politically motivated stance. I have no issue with people supporting human rights at big sporting ocassions.
But thats just an opinion youre sharing about the Palestinians. Theres lots of people all (and Im not saying I agree with them) who think that the Palestinians draw a lot of their woes down on top of themselves and that they are the aggressors
And of course the same accusation was leveled at the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland over the years by large sections of influential media, hence the solidarity with their plight.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on June 10, 2018, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 10, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
So if the Israeli ambassador sent his security detail down to wave Israeli flags around at a match ......should they be tolerated too?
No place inside the stadium for these types of demonstrations.
I think you are forgetting what the GAA was founded on. There is a misconception that the support of the continuously slaughtered Palestinian people is a politically motivated stance. I have no issue with people supporting human rights at big sporting ocassions.
But thats just an opinion youre sharing about the Palestinians. Theres lots of people all (and Im not saying I agree with them) who think that the Palestinians draw a lot of their woes down on top of themselves and that they are the aggressors
And of course the same accusation was leveled at the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland over the years by large sections of influential media, hence the solidarity with their plight.
If anyone thinks that the Palestinians are the aggressors in this conflict, they are either politically or financially motivated, or just not the full shilling. Anyway, it is probably futile and a disservice for us to be twisting about such a serious issue within the safe confines of a gaa forum. I hope those desperate people get a break.
What exactly is McEntee complaining about? I was reading his quotes and he's on about O'Sullivan landing in the small square ... it's irrelevant where he lands, what matters is where he was fouled.
And look, I thought it was probably a penalty, but it wasn't so clear cut that I'd be lambasting the ref over it. He should cop himself on.
Can't rake his beating. It is embarrassing
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2018, 11:16:48 PM
Ulster GAA confirms Palestinian flag not allowed in grounds
A spokesman for the Ulster Council last night said: "There is no flag allowed other than the official (GAA) flag, national flag and team colours.
"The display and possession of flag poles is contrary to ground regulations."
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/22/news/ulster-gaa-confirms-palestinian-flag-not-allowed-in-grounds-1335396/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/22/news/ulster-gaa-confirms-palestinian-flag-not-allowed-in-grounds-1335396/)
Has any other provincial council said anything about this?
Has Croke Park?
So, unlike Croke Park, Ulster Council has no problem with umbrellas.
Because of Ireland's history as a colony of England, Irish nationalism is strongly pro Palestinian. This is even more pronounced in the occupied territories. Palestine is a fairly safe issue because in both Ireland and Scotland Zionism has very little leverage.
Maybe the GAA is afraid of the Israeli embassy
Otherwise it must be the commercial director's shitehawking
I read somewhere that these guys were planning this as part of some attempt to highlight their cause by ensuring it was caught on TV by Murdoch's media ;D ;D ;D
I believe we have recalled our ambassador from Tyrone.
A few weeks ago I wrote...
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 01, 2018, 02:43:27 PM
Does anyone else think Meath and Kildare chose to get out of the Leinster championship as early as they could
They know its soul destroying playing in a competition they have no chance of EVER winning and so the quicker they get into the qualifiers the better. They could get a good run of matches and build up a head of steam, rather than getting to a Leinster final, take a massive hammering and then not recover in time for the last round of qualifiers.
I wonder was there any strange betting activity last weekend in Kildare and Dulchieland?
Today Jinxy wrote...
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 09:14:02 AM
My hypothesis is, if you're going to exit your provincial championship, get out good and early.
This is a particularly insidious premise in Leinster, where you know you have zero chance of winning the thing.
Meath & Kildare were both much improved in Round 1 (I know we still lost) after losing to Longford & Carlow.
If we had beaten Tyrone in normal-time, today we'd be looking at playing a round 2 team, and against anyone other than Monaghan, I'd fancy our chances.
At least yer manager has got that fighting spirit
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https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/meath-manager-andy-mcentee-laments-referees-performance-tyrone-loss-163193
It's nice to win Ulster every so often but "Oh my God" it's so much more fun going the more colourful route, especially when you know you've no chance of winning Sam anyway. Great excitement and entertainment on a sunny evening in beautiful Navan, loads of biased, angry, Ulster hating Meath men who still can't accept their old kick and rush game has changed and now its common to hit a 40 yard pass backwards to "CLOSE OUT" the game.
There were a few aul fellas behind me in the main stand who I was worried were gonna have a heart attack with their shouting and annoyance and one lad even give me a shoulder on the way past so I went down clutching my face for the craic.
:o :o :o
Lose to Longford and then Tyrone in the championship instead of a getting a hammering against the Dubs.
Hmmm maybe didn't work out quite as ye had planned.
Having Cavan, Rossies, Tipp and Clare finish above ye in the league. OUCH!!!
Bring back Boylan the wizard to magic up some herbes to save ye from Mordor
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 12:47:51 PM
It's nice to win Ulster every so often but "Oh my God" it's so much more fun going the more colourful route, especially when you know you've no chance of winning Sam anyway. Great excitement and entertainment on a sunny evening in beautiful Navan, loads of biased, angry, Ulster hating Meath men who still can't accept their old kick and rush game has changed and now its common to hit a 40 yard pass backwards to "CLOSE OUT" the game.
There were a few aul fellas behind me in the main stand who I was worried were gonna have a heart attack with their shouting and annoyance and one lad even give me a shoulder on the way past so I went down clutching my face for the craic.
:o :o :o
Lose to Longford and then Tyrone in the championship instead of a getting a hammering against the Dubs.
Hmmm maybe didn't work out quite as ye had planned.
Having Cavan, Rossies, Tipp and Clare finish above ye in the league. OUCH!!!
Bring back Boylan the wizard to magic up some herbes to save ye from Mordor
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That's how they say 'Congratulations, best of luck in the next round' in North Meath.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 09:03:44 AM
I believe we have recalled our ambassador from Tyrone.
I didn't realise diplomatic relations had even been opened again after 96.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
:)
On a rather more sombre note, Fuzzman and I were chatting to a trio of young men in Ryans after the game, from Dublin, Laois, and Meath, respectively, and it painted a fairly depressing picture of Leinster, and wider football, in general.
Have the GAA created such a monster in Dublin, that it will end up devouring the sport itself, due to the relative and predictable invincibility of the Dubs, resulting in plummeting attendances to the point of non-viability, such is their dominance?
Yeah for 3 young lads (21-22) they sure had an amazing knowledge of their GAA over the last 20 or 30 years mainly through their dads. One was from Laois, one from Meath and one from AIG/Dublin.
They agreed with me that Leinster would be highly competitive just now without Dublin in it and if we could somehow let them go through to the last 8 without spoiling the provincial championship.
Of course they discussed Harte and wondered where we stood and how Jim McGuinness ruined football and now everyone else just follows that template and look who it has helped Fermanagh this year.
I think the Meath lad said Meath have something like 17 lads who should be on the panel opted out for one reason or another.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
...
I think the Meath lad said Meath have something like 17 lads who should be on the panel opted out for one reason or another.
Yep,
14 certainties just walked away.
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2018, 07:44:02 AM
Because of Ireland's history as a colony of England, Irish nationalism is strongly pro Palestinian. This is even more pronounced in the occupied territories. Palestine is a fairly safe issue because in both Ireland and Scotland Zionism has very little leverage.
Maybe the GAA is afraid of the Israeli embassy
Otherwise it must be the commercial director's shitehawking
Haha....I have a friend who works for AIG
I must ask him what he think about his company sponsoring a team whose supporters condone terrorism
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 12:47:51 PM
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Fair play to McShane coming over to say we 100% should have been given a free at the end.
I noticed that the Meath players have the jersey with Devenish Nutrition plastered across the front. Mick Lyons would have horsed fellas aside eating just Taytos. Is this nutrition fad getting in the way of pure bacon and cabbage fag an bealach, of the style Meath used to be known for ?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 11, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
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I think the Meath lad said Meath have something like 17 lads who should be on the panel opted out for one reason or another.
Yep, 14 certainties just walked away.
I've had 14 certainties walk away from me in life time as well.
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
I noticed that the Meath players have the jersey with Devenish Nutrition plastered across the front. Mick Lyons would have horsed fellas aside eating just Taytos. Is this nutrition fad getting in the way of pure bacon and cabbage fag an bealach, of the style Meath used to be known for ?
Devenish Nutrition make animal feed.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 04:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
I noticed that the Meath players have the jersey with Devenish Nutrition plastered across the front. Mick Lyons would have horsed fellas aside eating just Taytos. Is this nutrition fad getting in the way of pure bacon and cabbage fag an bealach, of the style Meath used to be known for ?
Devenish Nutrition make animal feed.
That must be it. Anyway Jinxy I hope this year is a turning point. A lot of people are sick of the Dubs.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 04:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
I noticed that the Meath players have the jersey with Devenish Nutrition plastered across the front. Mick Lyons would have horsed fellas aside eating just Taytos. Is this nutrition fad getting in the way of pure bacon and cabbage fag an bealach, of the style Meath used to be known for ?
Devenish Nutrition make animal feed.
So it's what the Kildare players are on..?
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2018, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 04:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
I noticed that the Meath players have the jersey with Devenish Nutrition plastered across the front. Mick Lyons would have horsed fellas aside eating just Taytos. Is this nutrition fad getting in the way of pure bacon and cabbage fag an bealach, of the style Meath used to be known for ?
Devenish Nutrition make animal feed.
So it's what the Kildare players are on..?
We're still loyal to Pitman-Moore.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 11, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 09:03:44 AM
I believe we have recalled our ambassador from Tyrone.
I didn't realise diplomatic relations had even been opened again after 96.
John McDermott had that gig hadn't he
What was the vibe between Mcdermott and Graham geragthy like back then
Probably Like dev and Collins.
I nagging thing is that all these recent wins v Meath still don't erase 96/07. Bastids will have it over us until they're good again.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 12:47:51 PM
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Fair play to McShane coming over to say we 100% should have been given a free at the end.
I was hoping on his way to confront the ref that he'd manage to get in a sly foottap on Horses's goolies.
I felt there was an element of "Howl me back boys, Howl me back".
I'd say it was very frustrating for Meath that despite them being quite poor themselves, they had a HUGE chance of a shock and threw it away and the ref certainly had an impact on that.
When you see the foul at the end it did indeed look like he would have given that at any other stage of the game but he probably knew he had to get a winner on the night and couldn't just blow it up for a replay like other times before.
Tyrone were very poor defensively I thought AGAIN in that they get so many men back and seem to have it all so rehearsed yet there seems to be a huge fear to tackle a man who is running through. I think everything is so statistically monitored now that if you foul a man or get a tick or a yellow card its all over analysed and you could be withdrawn early. Before it was all left to the manager and assistant to spot patterns and it was a lot more subjective but if players know that if they lay a hand on and a man falls and grabs his arm and drags him down with him then he could get a black card.
I just feel too many Tyrone players are going through the motions and NOT actually tackling.
I was delighted when Colm Cavanagh came out of his sweeper role and flattened a Meath man at the start of the second half as it was the first time we showed them NO you can't just walk through us and shoot.
Time and time again Meath kicked ball in, their man got it, took his man on and kicked it over without any pressure at all. I've saw this all year in the league too. It's as if we're scared to give away a foul or get a card.
I think we will have learnt a lot from that game though and the main thing I thought was we are CURRENTLY no where near where we were this time last year where we were steam rolling everyone in Ulster.
I don't know is that because we are less fit at the moment and focusing more on peaking around August and going to get through an easier path to that stage or is it a bigger problem.
It was certainly interesting seeing Richie Donnelly and then Harry Loughran getting a chance to play in the FF line and with the odd high ball into them.
Did anyone hear was Morgan dropped or injured?
Another period of extra-time would have been some craic with the hurling crowd already having a meltdown over missing the start of Wexford & Kilkenny.
Morgan was dropped, a liability.
Tyrone should persist with Richie inside - done well and will only get better in my opinion.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 11, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
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I think the Meath lad said Meath have something like 17 lads who should be on the panel opted out for one reason or another.
Yep, 14 certainties just walked away.
The number going round here is 18 lads walked away mainly due to the commitment levels. Many after the league which hampered preparations because had these lads gone earlier we might have had a bit more time with the lads that eventually were on the final panel.
Among others we lost:
Padraig McKeever
Ruari O' Coilleann
Harry Rooney
Paddy O'Rourke
Pauric Harnan (I heard won't be returning)
Sean Tobin
That's off the top of my head. those lads would be close to starting each game.
Donnacha Tobin and Mickey Newman also not involved in this campaign.
Tobin in particular a big loss.
Quote from: WT4E on June 12, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
Tyrone should persist with Richie inside - done well and will only get better in my opinion.
I thought he did well and offered us a good target/outlet inside.
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 12, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
Morgan was dropped, a liability.
I think the Mickey O'Neill's club might have something to do with your opinion on this.
So is he rotating them or did he get injured in the warm up?
I think Morgan is a lot more accurate with his kick-outs but also a lot more of a risk taker which often doesn't end well.
I liked the challenge on Cluxton on Sunday. Was amazed it has taken so long for someone to challenge him like that.
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Quote from: Jinxy on June 12, 2018, 01:41:41 PM
Donnacha Tobin and Mickey Newman also not involved in this campaign.
Tobin in particular a big loss.
Yeah. Shame about Newman. I thought he was one of our few shining lights from MOD's tenure. For all the good work we are putting in at underage now my biggest worry is that the lads will be ready to jack it all in when the moment comes and we'll be left with the eager but less talented remains.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
So is he rotating them or did he get injured in the warm up?
I think Morgan is a lot more accurate with his kick-outs but also a lot more of a risk taker which often doesn't end well.
I liked the challenge on Cluxton on Sunday. Was amazed it has taken so long for someone to challenge him like that.
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Take him out illegally and get a red card?
https://soundcloud.com/user-158378740/episode-25-mcentee-to-take-time-to-decide-on-future
Good interview with Andy on this podcast as well as a little bit about our underage structures and what should hopefully deliver some silverware soon, fingers crossed.
I have to say I feel for Andy quite a bit and I'm not going to stick the boot in over him going after the referee as I can only imagine the sacrifices he and the team have made, the investment of time, money and energy. it's easy to criticise and I'm sure Andy knows it's not a good thing to do but in the heat of the moment it can get better of you.
I hope he sees out his three years at least, I genuinely feel he's got the right attitude, he is trying to set the bar higher for us, he might make some tactical mistakes but I think he's getting a raw deal from the amount of lads that left the panel.
I'd be amazed if he walked away.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
So is he rotating them or did he get injured in the warm up?
I think Morgan is a lot more accurate with his kick-outs but also a lot more of a risk taker which often doesn't end well.
I liked the challenge on Cluxton on Sunday. Was amazed it has taken so long for someone to challenge him like that.
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Take him out illegally and get a red card?
The hypocrisy of that red card is ridiculous. If Cluxton done the opposite to the forward coming in (which he has), he'd be lauded. How many times is there innocuous challenges like this round the middle of the field with no cards?
This kind of challenge, late hit should be carried out on Cluxton at the beginning of every match. His temperament is suspect at the best of times. Love to see him left in the net in the first two mins of each game. We will be able to see how well he can pin point his kickouts then.
Just to clarify I'm not condoning wrecking him, moreso a big high ball 50/50 into the square and Cluxton let know he's in a match.