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"Got herself into a situation" were my words not AZs obviously. I don't want to misrepresent anyone.

Do people ever have to warn their sons about their actions on a night out? Or is it just the daughters we should be concentrating on?

Wouldn't know what other parents do but I know I gave life advice to my kids, boys and girls, that includes their actions have reactions and be wary. There is no rule book or manual on being a parent you hope things work out!

When you have teenagers you can give them that pep talk

Anyone watching the Netflix show Travelers? Love a bit of time travel

http://www.givemesport.com/1246716-tahith-chong-makes-man-utd-reserves-debut-and-blows-fans-away-with-his-performance?autoplay=on&utm_source=outbrain-rss&utm_medium=outbrain-rss&utm_campaign=outbrain-rss&utm_term=00d8d58605988a24f56955a8840f699ed6
This boy looks sharp

He was fouled enough times !

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On the withholding information charge, my reading is that if Jackson and Olding are both acquitted of rape then Harrison cannot be convicted of withholding information?? 

BTW the judge is finished for today...back on Monday to discuss evidence.

That seems incredible to me. So basically if an accused gets off because of insufficient evidence, the person who destroys possible evidence is not guilty of a crime, because the accused was not convicted (because of insufficient evidence).

Note: I was talking in general and not necessarily specifically about this case

Allegedly destroryed evidence in a supposed crime

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Of course they might not listen anyway. My only point was that drinking too much and ending up in a house full of strangers isn't a good idea and the dangers are greater for a girl. I know it's so obvious that I shouldn't bother making it but I was honestly unsure whether some people accepted that simple truth from their reactions to it being brought up on this thread.

According to Rape Crisis England and Wales approx 90% of rape victims know or are acquainted with the perpetrator beforehand.  So should we tell our daughters not to go out drinking with, and end up in a house with, people they know too?

Yes I'd imagine it is, so its all about education, educate your daughters (and sons) as they grow up, if they make some mistakes as we all did, then hopefully they can deal with it and move on....

though to listen to the halfwits on here you'd think they grew up with a halo and never uttered a word that would annoy a fly

You give me far too much credit there MR2.  Some mistakes??...most weeks in my case!  Thank fcuk social media and CCTV wasn't around in my heyday!

I've a daughter in her mid-20s and of course I've given her advice and tips and told her to keep her wits about herself and to watch out etc.  Though a few years ago she did retort "Sure didn't you go out and go drinking when people were shooting each other and blowing each other up!".  My protestation that "That was different" fell on deaf ears!

My view is that if she ended up drunk at a party with people she didn't know very well or at all...and was attacked, I wouldn't consider her attendance at the party as the reason for her attack.  I'd be blaming whoever attacked her.

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Yes, totally blame anyone who has carried out a sexual attack, but only if they actually did, sexually attack them.. 

I've a 25 year son, and if he ever found himself going to a party with unknowns I'd be saying that your daft for doing that.. I'd been to plenty parties over the years that I'm glad my mum and dad didnt know, or my wife (then girlfriend) for that matter!! as they were in places during troubled times that a young catholic shouldnt have been in!

If you had your time again would you go there or be square?

Yes, i'd proabaly make the same mistakes, drink in, wit out!

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What has frequency to do with it? Everything.

Say, for example, 0.1% of casual sexual encounters result in a false accusation of rape. That may be high, it may be low. I've no idea, but i suspect I'm being exceptionally generous. 1 in a thousand instances. You'd be warning your sons about the danger of it and sitting up at night worrying for them, waiting desperately for them to get home, just in case someone has accused them of rape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFTRwD85AQ4

So first league games this weekend - Division 1, i feel will go the usual way; Division 2 looks very competitive and close to call;

May dust down the boots and look for my whistle!!

Get the earplugs in.. 

You mean for the players PJ 

I'm a mouse!!

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though to listen to the halfwits on here you'd think they grew up with a halo and never uttered a word that would annoy a fly

Over the last ten year, a huge proportion of members on this board have been students in the north, almost all of them male. I guarantee you at 19 years of age they'd absolutely have loved to be back in at a party with girls they didn't know after a night out. What danger were they in?

I didnt mention danger BTW

Girls or lads?

Girls, on a night out pissed and too drunk to really make the right choice and wake up regretting what happened

Lads, That someone they were having sex with decide that it wasnt sex the next day and said it was rape?

That a frequent occurrence?

I'm not sure, but its happened, what has the frequency of it mean? it only has to happen to you once for it to be a problem.. I'm not at the courts and wouldnt have the figures of rape cases that involve a, he said she said, no physical or witness evidenced based case..           

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Of course they might not listen anyway. My only point was that drinking too much and ending up in a house full of strangers isn't a good idea and the dangers are greater for a girl. I know it's so obvious that I shouldn't bother making it but I was honestly unsure whether some people accepted that simple truth from their reactions to it being brought up on this thread.

According to Rape Crisis England and Wales approx 90% of rape victims know or are acquainted with the perpetrator beforehand.  So should we tell our daughters not to go out drinking with, and end up in a house with, people they know too?

Yes I'd imagine it is, so its all about education, educate your daughters (and sons) as they grow up, if they make some mistakes as we all did, then hopefully they can deal with it and move on....

though to listen to the halfwits on here you'd think they grew up with a halo and never uttered a word that would annoy a fly

You give me far too much credit there MR2.  Some mistakes??...most weeks in my case!  Thank fcuk social media and CCTV wasn't around in my heyday!

I've a daughter in her mid-20s and of course I've given her advice and tips and told her to keep her wits about herself and to watch out etc.  Though a few years ago she did retort "Sure didn't you go out and go drinking when people were shooting each other and blowing each other up!".  My protestation that "That was different" fell on deaf ears!

My view is that if she ended up drunk at a party with people she didn't know very well or at all...and was attacked, I wouldn't consider her attendance at the party as the reason for her attack.  I'd be blaming whoever attacked her.

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Yes, totally blame anyone who has carried out a sexual attack, but only if they actually did, sexually attack them.. 

I've a 25 year son, and if he ever found himself going to a party with unknowns I'd be saying that your daft for doing that.. I'd been to plenty parties over the years that I'm glad my mum and dad didnt know, or my wife (then girlfriend) for that matter!! as they were in places during troubled times that a young catholic shouldnt have been in!

[What danger were they in]

though to listen to the halfwits on here you'd think they grew up with a halo and never uttered a word that would annoy a fly

Over the last ten year, a huge proportion of members on this board have been students in the north, almost all of them male. I guarantee you at 19 years of age they'd absolutely have loved to be back in at a party with girls they didn't know after a night out. What danger were they in?

I didnt mention danger BTW

Girls or lads?

Girls, on a night out pissed and too drunk to really make the right choice and wake up regretting what happened

Lads, That someone they were having sex with decide that it wasnt sex the next day and said it was rape?

Of course they might not listen anyway. My only point was that drinking too much and ending up in a house full of strangers isn't a good idea and the dangers are greater for a girl. I know it's so obvious that I shouldn't bother making it but I was honestly unsure whether some people accepted that simple truth from their reactions to it being brought up on this thread.

According to Rape Crisis England and Wales approx 90% of rape victims know or are acquainted with the perpetrator beforehand.  So should we tell our daughters not to go out drinking with, and end up in a house with, people they know too?

Yes I'd imagine it is, so its all about education, educate your daughters (and sons) as they grow up, if they make some mistakes as we all did, then hopefully they can deal with it and move on....

though to listen to the halfwits on here you'd think they grew up with a halo and never uttered a word that would annoy a fly

So first league games this weekend - Division 1, i feel will go the usual way; Division 2 looks very competitive and close to call;

May dust down the boots and look for my whistle!!

Of course they might not listen anyway. My only point was that drinking too much and ending up in a house full of strangers isn't a good idea and the dangers are greater for a girl. I know it's so obvious that I shouldn't bother making it but I was honestly unsure whether some people accepted that simple truth from their reactions to it being brought up on this thread.

Why? She was out for the night, made the acquaintance of some people, appeared to show an interest in one of them. Why is going back to the house a bad idea? She was a grown woman, capable of making her own choices.

Or perhaps you think woman should live their lives fearing the presence of rapists around every corner

Will you be encouarging your daughters to make acquaintances with strangers and head back to their house for a 'party'

So basically what he's saying, Syferus will be right regardless of the verdict, and gives the system no credence..

If you had an 18/19 year old daughter, would you not warn her about the dangers of drinking too much and ending up in a house full of strangers?

You give them advice, you explain the dangers, you make them aware, and you hope they are sensible enough to know when to make excuses and leave... that in no way means that they will listen, or if its completely out of their hands, hope that they are not hurt or damaged mentally from a situation like the one we are talking about.

They are young adults that for most parts don't listen to you anyways (well they say that) they think you're old and wouldnt have a clue, thats kids for ya, but the basics hopefully have been set in for years with them and hopefully they will get through life with the minimum of fuss..

If they did find themselves in the position of this thread then we as a family would have to look at it, warts and all and make the right call..