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Is it right that Dublin got 7 million to implement a plan to dominate the GAA World?

Yes
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2013, 07:26:03 PM »
When are the figures released for the amount spent on county teams for the year? Surely proper GAA men and women want fair funding for everybody?
Dublin should dominate football for the forseeable future and a hurling All Ireland is on the way. In fact it's an embarrassment to them that this hasn't already happened.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2013, 07:40:34 PM »
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.
time and again you claim Dublin got 7 million yet time and again you fail to provide evidence

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2013, 07:50:21 PM »
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.
time and again you claim Dublin got 7 million yet time and again you fail to provide evidence

Were they not getting €1 million a year from the Irish Sports Council under a deal concocted by national traitor and Dublin sc**bag Bertie Ahern?

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2013, 08:39:57 PM »
This kind of talk is just plain stupid.

Any kid playing GAA in Dublin now is not dreaming of playing for Fingal or South Dublin or whatever lines would be drawn out. Nor would there be any kind of passionate fanbase for such a team.

It would strangle and kill the GAA creating apathy for it in the capital.

Ironically wasting the money that invested there int the first place.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2013, 09:22:15 PM »
There is a lack of reality in this thread. Dublin is a place with a fast growing population and it received government money on that basis, so that new suburbs might be saved from savagery and immigrants may be socialised. Over the years it had not well harnessed its large population, but it may do so in the future and in this case a split should on the agenda. Comparisons with Kilkenny are farcical, Kilkenny don't have a population advantage, they merely make better use of the population they have. The club is supposed to be the backbone of the association, yet if a district on the outskirts of Dublin has a large increase in population people (including those in Dublin) do not argue that there should be only ever be one club there because it was like that for 50 years, rather a second club is established. The youth of the area identify with any new club set up, regardless of how it was in the past.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2013, 10:19:22 PM »
Local government boundaries have come and gone. There's 29 counties in the south and none in the north. But everyone still identifies with the traditional 32, thanks in no small part to the GAA reinforcing that sense of local territorial allegiance since 1884. And you think the GAA is going to dump eight centuries of history, and a century and a half of building "brand recognition", all in the name of a county winning its first all-Ireland in god knows how long and because it might start getting too strong?  While Kilkenny bate all round them and there's not a word about splitting them?

Nobody's going to go out and cheer for "County Fingal" or whatever name is concocted for the other half of the county. It's not going to happen.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2013, 10:35:51 PM »
Nobody's going to go out and cheer for "County Fingal" or whatever name is concocted for the other half of the county. It's not going to happen.

On what basis do you make that prophecy ( no less)??
If there were 4 counties in Dublin I suspect their rivalry would lead to increased participation and expansion of Gaelic games in the Capital as they'd try and out do each other.
It's too easy for Dublin Co Board to sit on their laurels as they'll always have a good football team and now have quite a good hurling team. It can't be any other way with the population they have. So there is no real need for them to go out and aggressively promote Gaelic games the way they should be.
Talking about splitting Kilkenny - a County with around 70,000 people is silly and can't be compared to an area with 1.2 million.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2013, 10:37:37 PM »
When are people going to realise that the proportion of the population that play gaa in the capital is only a fraction of most other counties. Even in club football in Dublin, most of the teams have players from outside Dublin. Cork has more GAA clubs than Dublin, yet one never hears calls of splitting Cork. This smacks of jealousy to me and if brought to reality, would ruin the game in the capital. But maybe that what some people want.

Dublin don't even own their own training grounds. They rent the DCU for the football and the hurlers go from club to club training. Nobody mentions the huge debts run up by counties who have built state of the art academies, ie Kildare, Louth, Tyrone. I'm not begrudging them their facilities, but maybe they could have put the money to better use.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2013, 10:46:10 PM »
On what basis do you make that prophecy ( no less)??

Past experience. You can't just invent a team and expect people to go out and support it. Like the 2006 attempt to create a team representing the territory of the embarrassingly badly-named North American County Board.  Their territory (the USA excluding greater NY) does not have an identity. There's no sense of allegiance to it. It doesn't even have a name. They put that team together at great expense, flew them into Chicago for a training weekend, and flew them into Boston a few weeks later to play against an Irish county team.  Apart from a few board officers, nobody was cheering for this team. Nobody gave a toss.

Territorial allegiance is something that builds up over time, over decades, even over centuries. You can't just slap a name on a team and expect it to pick up an instant fan base.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 10:51:09 PM »
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 10:57:27 PM »
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

Or China and India because they were too big.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2013, 11:08:51 PM »
The usual stuff is going on in this thread as any other when this topic is brought up. Oh it's just jealousy, Dublin is full of foreigners so the 1.2 million people don't count and the usual questioning of the existence of the 7 million.
I'm glad there has been some voices talkin sense, usually doesn't happen. I think everyone will agree that the area of finances nee to be sorted in inter county football. The reason we're seeing a few teams push ahead of the rest is because of money. Fact.
Other counties mentioned in this thread need looking at also but this thread is about Dublin, start a different thread if you want to discuss other teams.

Dublin put a plan in place, it was backed by the GAA and others. The GAA seen it as a financial opportunity. They have cashed in greatly on it. Examples include all Dublin championship played at home, league games in Croke Park with usually the opening of the league. With Dublin getting more successful more and more people will start following the Dubs in football and hurling. Peter Quinn: "Dublin is not a national problem, it's a national opportunity." Seán Kelly said that these plans would "'make Dublin what it should be - the greatest GAA county in Ireland."
Dublin were happy to accept this, their hero Bertie Ahern granted them this hand out. The man himself on launching the plans: "Today is about establishing the foundations for the future". The foundations have been put in place and now the inevitable must be accepted. Dublin has to be split. It's only fair on the rest of the 31 counties, every team must be competing on an equal footing. Dublin already had population advantages etc but the financial advantages they have been granted have been unfair.
The money can't be handed back, it's gone. It has been invested in a wide variety of areas, the only solution is to split. I's time for everybody to face reality.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2013, 11:11:32 PM »
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2013, 11:13:04 PM »
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

Why do you keep going on with this nonsense? Dublin should be split because they received 7 million to complete a plan to make them the greatest team in Ireland in fotball and hurling. No other county received this. I have been saying this for years, it's not because Dublin won the All Ireland on Sunday.
Teams aren't competing on an equal footing, that's why they should be split. Not because they're too good.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2013, 11:18:20 PM »
Almost everything you have ever written on this forum has been anti-Dublin. Your hatred of the capital is evident daily on here. You arguments are biased and simply don't make sense. You would rather see GAA diminish in the capital. You don't realise  the amount of work that people have put in. You measure everything in monetary terms.